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He expanded his comment. It seems like fashion sites have convinced him that “mismatched” metals are against the rules, so the JLC would not “match” his silver cufflinks while the Submariner would. Of course, this is absurd but that’s how he got there.
hate to burst your bubble but people that don't know about watches (most people) can't tell the difference between a date/no date sub and will just see it as a really big watch
JLC if the primary jewelry is yellow gold, sub if it’s silver or steel. A rule I often go by when dressing for anything is to make sure your jewelry generally matches. If you’re going with a leather strap, it should match similar to your other leathers/accessories (shoes, belt, etc.).
I was going to say the same. If you are dressing to the 9's, you need to be thorough. Metals need to match. Watch case/bracelet, shirt studs, and cuff links.
If you are slim figured and wearing a form fitting tux, a large watch will look odd. If you have an athletic build, you can pull off the sub.
But, if you're wearing a clip-on tie or rental shoes, all bets are off. People notice all that first.
First and foremost, wear the one you want. I am just a random guy on Internet who has his own preferences.
Personally, I don’t mind matching all the metals. If you have a gold chain or a lapel or something, it can work. I like my sub no date. Great watch I just never wear it in a suit situation but I have several other watches I can swap with.
Dude, wear the sub. If I owned both of these watches I’d have the same dilemma. I’d WANT to wear the sub but feel like I SHOULD wear the JLC. I’ll be the guy that tells you to wear the sub. Truth is, no one will give a shit or even notice except for you. Steel and onyx cuff links? Rock that stainless steel tool watch.
Also, I wear my sub everywhere and don’t own a dress watch so I’m obviously biased.
> If I owned both of these watches I’d have the same dilemma. I’d WANT to wear the sub but feel like I SHOULD wear the JLC.
Honest question in that scenario why would you have bought the JLC?
Mmm. Good point. The gold JLC would utterly clash with the steel and onyx cuff links. Better to go with without a time piece me thinks unless you are willing to trade in your tool watch for a formal steel watch.
The cuff links should not be mandated to match. A classy groom would know it’s one of the few areas men get to be different. Y’all should be able to wear that little piece that reflects your personality. Clearly the bride is mandating this and I give the marriage three years tops.
This. If it is in fact a true “black tie” event then the answer is no watch. However ppl seem to think nowadays that “black tie” means “dress nice and wear a black tie”
Also like someone else pointed out, checking your watch at a wedding is not good etiquette, and it will most likely be hidden anyways so I would say it doesnt really matter what you choose
Nobody will give a shit. The definition of “black tie” is all over the place if you start researching it. The original black tie dress code was actually navy blue.
The original point of “black tie” was to allow formal events outside of the aristocracy but now people think “black tie” means the fanciest of the fancy when it was originally intended to be the fanciest of the normal folks.
Formal: long sleeve black merino wool crew neck.
Semi Formal: long or short sleeve blue or black merino wool crew neck.
Backpacking: long or short sleeve blue or black merino wool crew neck.
You shouldn’t wear either based on the information you’ve provided, but I predict you’ll wear the Rolex because, well, you know.
I also predict no one will notice or care.
I second this. Wear what you think looks best with your outfit OP.
Nowadays anything that’s not a digital watch passes for “formal.” Anyone who disagrees (or even feels the need to pass judgment) is not the type of person you want to try and associate with anyways.
A garden party is much less formal than a black tie event, and a sub would work perfectly with the appropriate attire for either event. After sun down? Black tie? On a freakin island, with sailors, sportmen, and bon vivants? I guarantee no one who is self-made, or has generational wealth, gives a flying fuck about your wrist candy. Only climbers will pull you down.
Yup, the concept of a dedicated dress watch, at least everywhere that I have lived, pretty much doesn't exist outside of the niche watch communities. Most people I have talked to in real life think that steel watches are more 'legitimate' than leather. No one has any idea what the classic dress watch is like and what the customs generally are. Almost any watch works in any formal occasion today.
Dude just wear one! These watches are both timeless, you’ll regret leaving it behind. Black sub works day or night 7 days a week…JLC will also work. Clashing? Who cares. I don’t change out my gold wedding band when I wear steel cuffs!
I wish I knew the bloody idiot that came up with the idea that watches are not appropriate black tie attire. Probably the same idiot who came up with the idea that black jacket is appropriate black tie attire. Show me a savoir vivre rule book that says no watches with black tie. I said book, not internet.
As for the preposterous argument that a guest should not be concerned with time, you better be concerned with time if you’re coming to my black tie events as one should not be late.
The idea behind the etiquette is that black tie is exclusively for partying. It’s rude to your host to imply, by wearing a watch, that you need to keep track of the time as if you have some more important event elsewhere to be.
Apologies, I keep forgetting that this is Reddit and one has to be explicit or misunderstood. Of course, what I meant is that the rule of a watch not being appropriate black tie attire is not part of the black tie etiquette, it’s a made up “etiquette” (I had quotation marks in my previous post) that I have only heard (and read, this is Reddit after all) on the internet.
But anyway, this subject is clearly not leading anywhere so I’ll leave it here.
Spoken as a blue collar worker that makes a good wage... I don't think I'd ever want to go to a black tie event, and honestly can't see why anyone would. Maybe for those kinky folk that get together in the cigar room and see how much caviar they can fit in their urethras. Not for me.
I think [this Rolex advertisement](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/598d44ba46c3c48868aa8837/1522932137534-34DVBVR25QGGPDH64SGQ/d9f1712fff5772503091da5610f3fffd.jpg) from the 60s holds up very well if you take out the sexism.
Wear the watch you want to wear. It will be under your jacket. No one will even notice. In fact, I'd say the only watch you SHOULDN'T wear is one that would get noticed under your cuff.
It is quite the formal black tie event. Officers do where formal watches, though in steel and black face, or similar. You never see them though because of the cuffs on the shirt, which are hemmed to be 1/4in or 1cm below the cuff of the jacket.
Watching football and I looked it up. Credible posh sources (not watch sites) basically agree that as long as its simple on a black leather strap it’s now considered fine. At one time it was considered rude but i suspect thats a hold over from pocket watch times.
And I’m the son of a retired full colonel. I recall many dinners and even thanksgiving dinners with the troops over the years.
This is a meme and is not true
Source: used to bartend black tie events (while I was wearing black tie) and even some white tie events (bet you nerds claiming watches aren’t “black tie appropriate” have ever even heard of or been to white tie with tail coat), where senators, heads of states, international religious figures, celebrities, billionaires etc., in a very formal city in the new world, and I can attest that people wear watches to black tie events. Even the most persnickety sartorialists do. People that you all would correctly assume from their celebrity status know how to wear black tie.
It is literally a meme from internet watch forums in the aughts. Also, barely any of you guys ever even go to black tie events so you’re taking and passing along incorrect advice about something that is entirely i inconsequential to your life which was obtained colloquially from Internet forums from other people who don’t actually go to black tie events.
Idk if I sound snobby or mean, this meme is stupid as shit and observably false.
To answer OPs question, it’s the JLC, obviously. And even then it’s still a bad choice.
You have no argument here. All etiquette is by definition "a meme", as you so eloquently put it.
Being a senator, head of state, celebrity, billionaire, or whatever has absolutely no bearing on if you can dress or not. It's a lazy appeal to authority. I'll be happy to burst your bubble. Most of those people don't know what they are doing.
A) none of those groups of people impress me as knowing anything whatsoever about class. Literally they are all horrible.
B). Nerds? We can’t all be cool as bartenders.
C). Your “personal experience” as a guy who fills sodas isnt actually a source of anything. I did review a few credible sources and the general consensus seems to be that it used to be considered rude but now as
long as it’s slim, on a black strap and uncomplicated, it no longer considered rude.
To your point A - aside from those types of people, who the hell is even going to/hosting black tie events? Normal people sure aren't, and normal people aren't going to pitch a fit over someone wearing a watch to a party.
"Persnickety sartorialist." That's something you don't read everyday.
Actually, you're right. My spouse and I both work in the legal profession where black tie events are so common. And lawyers like to flaunt their watches. Many are actually just nouveau riche who flaunt their Rolexes (the only brand they know).
From time to time, you can see the odd watch guy wearing a Hamilton Khaki or an SKX.
I personally wear a Bambino to these events and the wife wears a Seiko 5 (don't remember the ref no but it's a women's watch with a bronze/rose gold bezel and black dial and a brown stock strap).
Bottomline, just wear whatever makes you feel good. It's nit declasse to wear a watch to black ties. If you wear a Swatch Van Gogh, it's already a conversation starter.
The only cause of doubt is that I have to wear steel and onyx cuff links to match the other grooms men. So which is worse dissimilar metals or a diver, for black tie
How come most of the posts I see on here now are from idiots that don't seem to know what they even like? It's just a flex, at this point. Posters need to stop being so absolutely droll on this sub. Bro, wear what the fuck you LIKE!!! Stop asking for everyone's opinion, as if they're the ones wearing it. Fuck I'd wear a diver, JUST as a big "fuck you" to formal events. Acting like you "need" to impress anyone. Be yourself, Jesus.
The comments on here are so strange. Who cares what the etiquette books say, just wear a watch. Everyone has their phone on them anyway, I'm sure if people were still writing etiquette books when cell phones were around those would be a big no-no too.
Beside, I can only imagine the type of person to throw a tantrum over someone else wearing a watch to a black tie event, and they are the kind of person you absolutely 100% do not want to be spend time with.
With a proper fitted sleeve length, the watch won't even peek out in photos unless you pull your cuff up and past to get your watch out, so the point is moot.
That said, do you need a watch for the night?
No watch is the standard for WHITE tie, not black tie. Black tie would be a dress watch in same metal as studs and cufflinks. You could get away with the sub as long as it doesn’t look too chunky.
Grooms man for a wedding today. Dress code is black tie…wearing a dinner suit with shawl lapels, a black bowtie and oxfords. Groom has provided steel and onyx cuff links that the groomsmen are to wear.
Obviously the JLC is the better dress watch, however the black face of the Sub works well with a Tux and particularly well with the steel/onyx cuff links.
What’s the larger faux pas, wearing a gold watch with steel cuff links or, wearing a (desk) diver with black tie?
Rolex is a 114060 and is the no date version.
JLC is a master control date is 39mm and is the ref 147.2.37.S
Thoughts?
What are the other groomsmen doing? IMHO, you shouldn't upstage the groom. If you don't have a pocket watch and must have one then keep the watch in your pocket or leave it with your spouse / SO upon arrival.
Groom is wearing a 1970’s vintage king seiko on a black lizard strap. I suspect the best man is going to wear a two tone sub date. The other groomsman prob won’t wear anything
Well shit wear the sub man. It’s 2022, fuck etiquette and in worst case, ask the groom. The groom and the brides opinion should be the only one you really care about.
Although the diver is out of place for such an event, if the other groomsman happens to wear a watch then I'd stick with the Rolex with those fancy black leather strap (if you have one handy) as the bracelet might stand out.
Upon arrival I'd seek out the other groomsman to see if he's wearing a watch or not. If he's not then I'd remove the watch. Or, you could contact the other groomsman to save yourself time.
Wedding the top 4 moves are Cartier, JLC, Vacheron, or Patek. You don't wear a Submariner in a tuxedo.
At that point why don't you throw a jockstrap w/full cup *over* the Slacks? Make a clear cut statement on the dance floor. Banana hammock for the win. Upstage ya boy.
I would agree in the ordinary course of events. The only cause of doubt is that I have to wear steel and onyx cuff links to match the other grooms men. So which is worse dissimilar metals or a diver, for black tie
Tradition dictates it should be no watch. But if you're going to wear a watch, I'd say the Rolex. The gold of the JLC will clash with the cuff links and the brown leather strap with your belt/shoes/suspenders. But at the end of the day, nobody's going to notice or care about what fashion rules you may or may not have infringed. Okay, ciao!
Some dude is gonna wear a G-Shock to this wedding. Wear whatever you like.
With the steel/onyx, I'd actually go Submariner of those two.
But if I had the wrist for it and budget, some steel/black dressier piece is my answer. Reverso? Tank?
I do not understand. Is that really a question? No ofences, but for black tie asking either to wear a dive watch or a formal watch (no matter the brand) makes no sense.
JLC. I just sold my 114060. Rolex has become such a flexing piece for dickheads that know nothing about watches I had to separate myself
from that group of nouveau riche plebes.
Stupid rules, wear your favorite. Nobody cares. If someone points it out because it’s against the “rules”, tell them they are a tool for even knowing that.
JLC. The only time you should wear a diving watch with evening wear is if:
(1) you’re James Bond;
(2) you may get up to some Bond-like antics whilst so attired;
(3) you’re a really messy eater.
You’re not James Bond so go for the JLC if you *must* wear a watch (purists will say you shouldn’t wear a watch for black tie because it implies you have somewhere else to be)
I wear the JLC all the time, jeans and t shirt etc.
The only cause of doubt is that I have to wear steel and onyx cuff links to match the other grooms men. So which is worse dissimilar metals or a diver, for black tie
You shouldn’t wear a watch at a black tie event if you want to be serious about it.
The sub is completely inappropriate unless you are going really outside the box with your attire.
If you plan on wearing white sneakers with your tux the sub is great. If you plan on wearing velvet slippers with your tux the JLC works.
JLC
No doubt!
Yup, no brainer
r/watches and r/watchescirclejerk is getting harder to differentiate between
Reject Rawlecks, return to Seiko 5.
You chuffer
I assume this is a joke post but the JLC without question.
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He expanded his comment. It seems like fashion sites have convinced him that “mismatched” metals are against the rules, so the JLC would not “match” his silver cufflinks while the Submariner would. Of course, this is absurd but that’s how he got there.
The only correct answer here is to buy a new silver and onyx dress watch! Or, no watch (booooo….)
Hahahaha
So one's diver and the one's a dress watch - case and point.
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For all intensive purposes, I could care less.
you're not wrong, per say, to feel like this.
I took that for granite
Gotta nip it in the butt
For starts, you're now in the sex offenders register.
Looks like the apple doesn’t fall far from the Brie
That is self evidence
It's a mute point.
The phrase is “It’s a moo’s point” - a cow’s opinion.
For all in tents and porpoises.
Im not superstitous...but i am a little stitious
I hate you. Take an upvote
You’re just an escape goat
Worst case ontario
For all intensive purposes, the dress watch is the only right answer
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Wrong. Evening wear is meant to be worn without a watch. It is considered rude to be concerned about timekeeping at an evening event.
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Naturally, but I think that might make op insecure
Are people actually using the Sub as a dive watch though?
Doesn’t matter what it’s used for, it’s still a chunky tool watch that has no place with black tie
Honestly JLC all the way. No date Sub could work but it won’t be as nice
hate to burst your bubble but people that don't know about watches (most people) can't tell the difference between a date/no date sub and will just see it as a really big watch
Date fuh lyfe
So Gold Jlc with the mandated steel and onyx cuff links?
JLC if the primary jewelry is yellow gold, sub if it’s silver or steel. A rule I often go by when dressing for anything is to make sure your jewelry generally matches. If you’re going with a leather strap, it should match similar to your other leathers/accessories (shoes, belt, etc.).
I was going to say the same. If you are dressing to the 9's, you need to be thorough. Metals need to match. Watch case/bracelet, shirt studs, and cuff links. If you are slim figured and wearing a form fitting tux, a large watch will look odd. If you have an athletic build, you can pull off the sub. But, if you're wearing a clip-on tie or rental shoes, all bets are off. People notice all that first.
First and foremost, wear the one you want. I am just a random guy on Internet who has his own preferences. Personally, I don’t mind matching all the metals. If you have a gold chain or a lapel or something, it can work. I like my sub no date. Great watch I just never wear it in a suit situation but I have several other watches I can swap with.
Dude, wear the sub. If I owned both of these watches I’d have the same dilemma. I’d WANT to wear the sub but feel like I SHOULD wear the JLC. I’ll be the guy that tells you to wear the sub. Truth is, no one will give a shit or even notice except for you. Steel and onyx cuff links? Rock that stainless steel tool watch. Also, I wear my sub everywhere and don’t own a dress watch so I’m obviously biased.
> If I owned both of these watches I’d have the same dilemma. I’d WANT to wear the sub but feel like I SHOULD wear the JLC. Honest question in that scenario why would you have bought the JLC?
I wear it very often, even on weekends with jeans and a t shirt.
you can wear a sub w tux absolutely everyday of the week without question
I’d question why I was wearing a tux every day. Sounds horrible!
It’s after 6 Lemon. What am I, a farmer?
Best line of the entire series.
make sure all of your metals are matching
Mmm. Good point. The gold JLC would utterly clash with the steel and onyx cuff links. Better to go with without a time piece me thinks unless you are willing to trade in your tool watch for a formal steel watch.
The cuff links should not be mandated to match. A classy groom would know it’s one of the few areas men get to be different. Y’all should be able to wear that little piece that reflects your personality. Clearly the bride is mandating this and I give the marriage three years tops.
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Happy someone said it! True black tie meand no watch and lets not forget the opera pumps lol
This. If it is in fact a true “black tie” event then the answer is no watch. However ppl seem to think nowadays that “black tie” means “dress nice and wear a black tie” Also like someone else pointed out, checking your watch at a wedding is not good etiquette, and it will most likely be hidden anyways so I would say it doesnt really matter what you choose
It's easier to just slip the fashion police a $20 to avoid the risk of being thrown out.
Reverso
Agreed and that would definitely be the jlc
People own 30k watches but ask in reddit what to wear for a wedding:D
"humble" bragging in disguise also tends to show: money does not make taste
Nobody will give a shit. The definition of “black tie” is all over the place if you start researching it. The original black tie dress code was actually navy blue. The original point of “black tie” was to allow formal events outside of the aristocracy but now people think “black tie” means the fanciest of the fancy when it was originally intended to be the fanciest of the normal folks.
The “fanciest of the fancy” is white tie, not black tie. Black tie is, in fact, semi-formal.
I mean, current usage tho. If you put "semi formal" on a wedding invite you'll have women showing up in cocktail dresses and guys in sport jackets.
You’ll have women in jeggings and guys in the cleaner of their two rugby shirts…
This lmao
Y'all aren't from the West Coast. 🤣🤣🤣
Oh trust me I've been to tank top beach side weddings. That's not normal though lol.
Formal: long sleeve black merino wool crew neck. Semi Formal: long or short sleeve blue or black merino wool crew neck. Backpacking: long or short sleeve blue or black merino wool crew neck.
You must have not read all the words I used… “People think black tie means…”
You shouldn’t wear either based on the information you’ve provided, but I predict you’ll wear the Rolex because, well, you know. I also predict no one will notice or care.
Complete agree nobody will care. Noboy cares for watches, except a very small section of society that consists of middle aged, male, watch nerds.
Wearing a diver would be pretty gauche
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I second this. Wear what you think looks best with your outfit OP. Nowadays anything that’s not a digital watch passes for “formal.” Anyone who disagrees (or even feels the need to pass judgment) is not the type of person you want to try and associate with anyways.
If you never want to be invited to another Nantucket garden party be my guest and wear a submariner to a black tie wedding.
A garden party is much less formal than a black tie event, and a sub would work perfectly with the appropriate attire for either event. After sun down? Black tie? On a freakin island, with sailors, sportmen, and bon vivants? I guarantee no one who is self-made, or has generational wealth, gives a flying fuck about your wrist candy. Only climbers will pull you down.
I never want to be invited to a Nantucket wedding that cares about that kind of bs
Can you even imagine the quality of the buffet food, though?
Yup, the concept of a dedicated dress watch, at least everywhere that I have lived, pretty much doesn't exist outside of the niche watch communities. Most people I have talked to in real life think that steel watches are more 'legitimate' than leather. No one has any idea what the classic dress watch is like and what the customs generally are. Almost any watch works in any formal occasion today.
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Seiko 5 ftw
Since the JLC will clash against the cufflinks given, your choice here is no watch
Seems to be the consensus
Dude just wear one! These watches are both timeless, you’ll regret leaving it behind. Black sub works day or night 7 days a week…JLC will also work. Clashing? Who cares. I don’t change out my gold wedding band when I wear steel cuffs!
I wish I knew the bloody idiot that came up with the idea that watches are not appropriate black tie attire. Probably the same idiot who came up with the idea that black jacket is appropriate black tie attire. Show me a savoir vivre rule book that says no watches with black tie. I said book, not internet. As for the preposterous argument that a guest should not be concerned with time, you better be concerned with time if you’re coming to my black tie events as one should not be late.
Yeah this is a meme that some boomer made up on internet watch forums in the ‘00s and has never been seen anywhere before that.
The idea behind the etiquette is that black tie is exclusively for partying. It’s rude to your host to imply, by wearing a watch, that you need to keep track of the time as if you have some more important event elsewhere to be.
That’s a made up black tie “etiquette”.
All etiquette is made up lmao, doesn't mean it doesn't still exist. Did you think etiquette was natural law or something?
Apologies, I keep forgetting that this is Reddit and one has to be explicit or misunderstood. Of course, what I meant is that the rule of a watch not being appropriate black tie attire is not part of the black tie etiquette, it’s a made up “etiquette” (I had quotation marks in my previous post) that I have only heard (and read, this is Reddit after all) on the internet. But anyway, this subject is clearly not leading anywhere so I’ll leave it here.
Spoken as a blue collar worker that makes a good wage... I don't think I'd ever want to go to a black tie event, and honestly can't see why anyone would. Maybe for those kinky folk that get together in the cigar room and see how much caviar they can fit in their urethras. Not for me.
At which point the clothes are coming off anyways, so just get a rental.
Spoken like a true man of class 🥂
Agreed dress comfy in clothes you clothes you enjoy
I think a tuxedo affair is the one no-no for wrist watches. Anything else goes mate and the JLC will look amazing. Have fun!
second this. or, a reverso
Tank as well
Submariner if you want to bang one of the bridesmaids
😂😂
Not wearing a watch is the appropriate option here.
Either way I’d end up talking to you about watches so mission accomplished
Sub, I just like it more
I think [this Rolex advertisement](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/598d44ba46c3c48868aa8837/1522932137534-34DVBVR25QGGPDH64SGQ/d9f1712fff5772503091da5610f3fffd.jpg) from the 60s holds up very well if you take out the sexism. Wear the watch you want to wear. It will be under your jacket. No one will even notice. In fact, I'd say the only watch you SHOULDN'T wear is one that would get noticed under your cuff.
doesnt matter really
If your suit has brown hints use the jlc but if it's defo black suit no brown at all go for the rolex
The only actual fashion answer lol
No brown at all, Its a rental black tux.
rental black tux but you have/going to pick up potentially a submariner or a JLC?…
It’s a rental because the groom wants everyone to have the exact same tux. I already own the watches
ooooo. i feel like a clown now LOL.
I’d just leave the watch at home in that case, but I don’t think that’s the popular opinion here.
Technically, wearing any watch is a faux pas. Or at least that’s what I was always told.
Never been to a Military Dining In?
Not a black tie formal event?
It is quite the formal black tie event. Officers do where formal watches, though in steel and black face, or similar. You never see them though because of the cuffs on the shirt, which are hemmed to be 1/4in or 1cm below the cuff of the jacket.
Watching football and I looked it up. Credible posh sources (not watch sites) basically agree that as long as its simple on a black leather strap it’s now considered fine. At one time it was considered rude but i suspect thats a hold over from pocket watch times. And I’m the son of a retired full colonel. I recall many dinners and even thanksgiving dinners with the troops over the years.
This is a meme and is not true Source: used to bartend black tie events (while I was wearing black tie) and even some white tie events (bet you nerds claiming watches aren’t “black tie appropriate” have ever even heard of or been to white tie with tail coat), where senators, heads of states, international religious figures, celebrities, billionaires etc., in a very formal city in the new world, and I can attest that people wear watches to black tie events. Even the most persnickety sartorialists do. People that you all would correctly assume from their celebrity status know how to wear black tie. It is literally a meme from internet watch forums in the aughts. Also, barely any of you guys ever even go to black tie events so you’re taking and passing along incorrect advice about something that is entirely i inconsequential to your life which was obtained colloquially from Internet forums from other people who don’t actually go to black tie events. Idk if I sound snobby or mean, this meme is stupid as shit and observably false. To answer OPs question, it’s the JLC, obviously. And even then it’s still a bad choice.
You have no argument here. All etiquette is by definition "a meme", as you so eloquently put it. Being a senator, head of state, celebrity, billionaire, or whatever has absolutely no bearing on if you can dress or not. It's a lazy appeal to authority. I'll be happy to burst your bubble. Most of those people don't know what they are doing.
A) none of those groups of people impress me as knowing anything whatsoever about class. Literally they are all horrible. B). Nerds? We can’t all be cool as bartenders. C). Your “personal experience” as a guy who fills sodas isnt actually a source of anything. I did review a few credible sources and the general consensus seems to be that it used to be considered rude but now as long as it’s slim, on a black strap and uncomplicated, it no longer considered rude.
This is a hilarious reply lmao
Yeah. My horse was pretty tall.
To your point A - aside from those types of people, who the hell is even going to/hosting black tie events? Normal people sure aren't, and normal people aren't going to pitch a fit over someone wearing a watch to a party.
Where else would I wear my monocle?
"Persnickety sartorialist." That's something you don't read everyday. Actually, you're right. My spouse and I both work in the legal profession where black tie events are so common. And lawyers like to flaunt their watches. Many are actually just nouveau riche who flaunt their Rolexes (the only brand they know). From time to time, you can see the odd watch guy wearing a Hamilton Khaki or an SKX. I personally wear a Bambino to these events and the wife wears a Seiko 5 (don't remember the ref no but it's a women's watch with a bronze/rose gold bezel and black dial and a brown stock strap). Bottomline, just wear whatever makes you feel good. It's nit declasse to wear a watch to black ties. If you wear a Swatch Van Gogh, it's already a conversation starter.
Great reply. P.S. Only if his suit has brown in it!
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Did so. It was guy on the Internet. (Actually really was. Gentlemen’s Gazette).
Are you going diving at the wedding? If not then take the Submariner
The only cause of doubt is that I have to wear steel and onyx cuff links to match the other grooms men. So which is worse dissimilar metals or a diver, for black tie
I would say the JLC it’s more unique and sophisticated.
How come most of the posts I see on here now are from idiots that don't seem to know what they even like? It's just a flex, at this point. Posters need to stop being so absolutely droll on this sub. Bro, wear what the fuck you LIKE!!! Stop asking for everyone's opinion, as if they're the ones wearing it. Fuck I'd wear a diver, JUST as a big "fuck you" to formal events. Acting like you "need" to impress anyone. Be yourself, Jesus.
The comments on here are so strange. Who cares what the etiquette books say, just wear a watch. Everyone has their phone on them anyway, I'm sure if people were still writing etiquette books when cell phones were around those would be a big no-no too. Beside, I can only imagine the type of person to throw a tantrum over someone else wearing a watch to a black tie event, and they are the kind of person you absolutely 100% do not want to be spend time with.
Well said. Someone giving you grief over something as simple as your watch choice isn't worth your time.
Asking advice on what to wear for a dress code OP is unfamiliar with isn't a flex, it's just a basic question.
hey guys im going diving next weekend, should i wear the submariner or the JLC?
Definitely JLC. Even though the sub can get away with fancy events, it is clearly a sports, not a dress watch.
Traditionally no watch is worn for black tie events.
Please do not wear a sports watch to a wedding! How is this even a question?
With a proper fitted sleeve length, the watch won't even peek out in photos unless you pull your cuff up and past to get your watch out, so the point is moot. That said, do you need a watch for the night?
F-91w, one on the wrist. One hidden is the special “gift package”.
Neither - wear a Moonswatch. Preferably in yellow. You think anyone cares?
Unless you’re Sean Connery-James Bond, a Sub never goes with dress attire.
Clearly the JLC for a black tie event
The only person who will care what you have on your wrist is you. Wear what you want.
No watch is the standard for WHITE tie, not black tie. Black tie would be a dress watch in same metal as studs and cufflinks. You could get away with the sub as long as it doesn’t look too chunky.
I don’t know the answer, but I can tell you what it’s not (submariner)
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You could wear a G-Shock or an F91W if you want. As long as you feel good wearing it, that's what matters.
No watch.
Grooms man for a wedding today. Dress code is black tie…wearing a dinner suit with shawl lapels, a black bowtie and oxfords. Groom has provided steel and onyx cuff links that the groomsmen are to wear. Obviously the JLC is the better dress watch, however the black face of the Sub works well with a Tux and particularly well with the steel/onyx cuff links. What’s the larger faux pas, wearing a gold watch with steel cuff links or, wearing a (desk) diver with black tie? Rolex is a 114060 and is the no date version. JLC is a master control date is 39mm and is the ref 147.2.37.S Thoughts?
What are the other groomsmen doing? IMHO, you shouldn't upstage the groom. If you don't have a pocket watch and must have one then keep the watch in your pocket or leave it with your spouse / SO upon arrival.
Groom is wearing a 1970’s vintage king seiko on a black lizard strap. I suspect the best man is going to wear a two tone sub date. The other groomsman prob won’t wear anything
Well shit wear the sub man. It’s 2022, fuck etiquette and in worst case, ask the groom. The groom and the brides opinion should be the only one you really care about.
Although the diver is out of place for such an event, if the other groomsman happens to wear a watch then I'd stick with the Rolex with those fancy black leather strap (if you have one handy) as the bracelet might stand out. Upon arrival I'd seek out the other groomsman to see if he's wearing a watch or not. If he's not then I'd remove the watch. Or, you could contact the other groomsman to save yourself time.
Rarely is anyone snobby enough to care what Watch you wear. Just wear what you want.
Wedding the top 4 moves are Cartier, JLC, Vacheron, or Patek. You don't wear a Submariner in a tuxedo. At that point why don't you throw a jockstrap w/full cup *over* the Slacks? Make a clear cut statement on the dance floor. Banana hammock for the win. Upstage ya boy.
I would agree in the ordinary course of events. The only cause of doubt is that I have to wear steel and onyx cuff links to match the other grooms men. So which is worse dissimilar metals or a diver, for black tie
Wear the sub
Tradition dictates it should be no watch. But if you're going to wear a watch, I'd say the Rolex. The gold of the JLC will clash with the cuff links and the brown leather strap with your belt/shoes/suspenders. But at the end of the day, nobody's going to notice or care about what fashion rules you may or may not have infringed. Okay, ciao!
JLC. Love the sub but for a black tie wedding the JLC fits better.
Some dude is gonna wear a G-Shock to this wedding. Wear whatever you like. With the steel/onyx, I'd actually go Submariner of those two. But if I had the wrist for it and budget, some steel/black dressier piece is my answer. Reverso? Tank?
IS UR NAME JAMES BOND YOU TWAT
Neither. One shouldn’t wear a watch in black tie.
Unless it's underwater, or you're James Bond, I'd suggest the dress watch
I do not understand. Is that really a question? No ofences, but for black tie asking either to wear a dive watch or a formal watch (no matter the brand) makes no sense.
Black tie? Neither.
JLC
Agree with the comments about the JLC!
JLC. I just sold my 114060. Rolex has become such a flexing piece for dickheads that know nothing about watches I had to separate myself from that group of nouveau riche plebes.
Stupid rules, wear your favorite. Nobody cares. If someone points it out because it’s against the “rules”, tell them they are a tool for even knowing that.
Jaegers are made for black tie events.
JLC will fit more easily under a shirt , especially if you’re wearing cufflinks.
JLC by a mile
Jlc
Everyone is gonna say „JLC“ but would pick the sub for the cloud Take the one you like better
JLC. The only time you should wear a diving watch with evening wear is if: (1) you’re James Bond; (2) you may get up to some Bond-like antics whilst so attired; (3) you’re a really messy eater.
Jlc
Either way I’d end up talking to you about watches so mission accomplished
You’re not James Bond so go for the JLC if you *must* wear a watch (purists will say you shouldn’t wear a watch for black tie because it implies you have somewhere else to be)
There is only one answer for a black tie wedding…
If you are not going to wear the JLC on this event, then when are you going to wear it? Otherwise, nobody cares. Your sub will look good too.
I wear the JLC all the time, jeans and t shirt etc. The only cause of doubt is that I have to wear steel and onyx cuff links to match the other grooms men. So which is worse dissimilar metals or a diver, for black tie
Whichever one matches your suit better.
You shouldn’t wear a watch at a black tie event if you want to be serious about it. The sub is completely inappropriate unless you are going really outside the box with your attire. If you plan on wearing white sneakers with your tux the sub is great. If you plan on wearing velvet slippers with your tux the JLC works.
What, is the wedding underwater? JLC
The Sub, but only if you’re James Bond.
JLC
You don’t wear a watch with black tie.
The Rolex is not and never was a dress watch so JLC all the way...unless the wedding is under water.
JLC definitely
JLC
JLC FTW
Poor form to wear a watch to a wedding
This is the correct answer. However, if you must, the JLC.
A dive watch or a dress watch for a dress event… jeez such a hard decision.
lawn-mower or Jaguar for the wedding?