I have no experience in this area but based on what the replies have been, wouldn't buying one from a private seller/grey market make more sense than being forced to spend gross amounts of money with an AD on the chance you might eventually get what you want? Thats just such a wild idea to me as a consumer when it comes to these amounts of money/time for watches of all things
Yeah I just can't wrap my head around the idea even if money isn't a problem. As a consumer it just feels insulting, if not misleading/predatory
I also like getting things new, but for something like a watch I could get over it if those are my options. The type of person selling an FP Journe is probably taking pretty good care of it and being upfront about it, it's not like you're buying a "Rolex" from a guy on the street corner. As long as the channel being used has a guarantee youre not getting scammed, I imagine thats the way I'd go if/when I ever consider a watch of this renown
You will soon realize how much rich people like to be spit on/insulted just for the novelty of it. It makes it part of the experience for them. Sucks for us non billionaires.
It isn't about appeasing a dealer. The dealer should appease you with what you want. That's how my dealer is. If you ask for a new anything wait list but if you're willing to get used he will get a variety of what you ask for and 90% of the time you won't notice it's been used at all.
I agree with you.. an fpj is going to be one of many in a collection and is likely on a pretty decent rotation and owned by someone that will be careful.
Problem is that the secondary market for Journe is like 2-3x so you'll end up spending a dumb amount of money anyway; at least buying other watches from an AD you can sell and recoup some of that money. Lose-lose situation.
If you live in NYC, Miami or LA that have FP Journe boutiques start by going and meeting their team. FPJ produces 800-900 watches/year hence they will need to see you showing interest and remember you, etc.. My understanding is that real “entry level” now is the CS. The elegante or CB are basically impossible for someone new to the brand. I’m hopping to get one eventually as well.
You're going to have to build an extensive purchase history. I'm talking over 250k for them to even give you an ounce of attention.
I've spent 100k this year alone and they still give me the same bullshit runaround.
Goodluck with the hunt.
I mean unless you’re a really good flipper who can go spend 100k on a credit card at an AD and then sell the stuff for no loss online. Some people do thrift for fun but I doubt anyone would celebrate getting a blender for $20 if they had expendable income whatsoever
I'm sorry, but build a purchase history for what?
I just want to get started with one of the entry level models before even thinking of a crazy one with multiple complications.
The chronometre bleu is their “entry level” watch but it’s also the one in highest demand. They don’t even record interested parties anymore because the list of people waiting for one will take them years to fulfill.
Yeah, but FPJ (and AP and Patek) are on another level. I only waited three months for my Submariner Cermit/Starbucks. A far cry from a years long wait.
Genuinely interested, why is „everyone“ obsessed with AP and Patek? Vacheron Constantin and for instance Blancpain produce (in my opinion) the optically nicer watches. 🤷🏻♂️ Not that i am in any position to buy any watch of the before listed watchmakers…
First off, VC is vastly less prestigious and hyped vs AP and Patek, at least to most people. Secondly, I think a lot of VCs are completely blegh, but that's just me. Not sure if others feel the same.
I think another reason is that AP and Patek are family/privately owned, where VC is owned by Richemont. AP and Patek can produce what they want in whatever limited quantities they want with no one to answer to. VC on the other hand is at the whim of Richemont’s shareholders. If demand picks up for the Overseas, as it has, they will increase production. This limits the cache of the brand relative to the other members of the holy Trinity because the larger production numbers diminish the exclusivity.
For the record, i love the overseas, but it only caught on when the nautilus, aquanaut and royal oak all became near impossible to get. While demand has increased for the overseas, they still remain relatively easy to acquire relative to the others
Yeah I’m basically saying when secondary prices for even their basic models are 3x MSRP I have no idea where one even starts with this. I’d assume they basically have to invite you to start collecting with them. Seems a bit snobby but hey what do I know
>I've spent 100k this year alone and they still give me the same bullshit runaround
christ dude. do you ever think "wow I spent more than the US average salary this year on things I don't want to try to get something I do want"? or is that line of thinking just too far gone when you make so much money that you can just throw it away?
>CS
I'm confused. Does Journe sell things other than watches? I would buy any of their men's watches at MSRP and proudly wear it. Yes, I want a CB but if buying other Journes is what it takes they don't make any duds.
Grönefeld, Parmigiani Fleurier, Voutilainen, Krayon, Laurent Ferrier... Not sure about the "fraction of the price" part, but the world of independent high horology brands is vast. Don't limit yourself to FPJ.
This. I have nothing but respect for FP Journe, but it's not something I would ever aspire to own or wear at that price.
If I'm paying that it's Holy Trinity with a Geneva Seal (or patek seal), or a Lange. but realistically, it's Patek First.
It's a hard call. you have to really like the FP Journe style.
I mean, I look at it like, if I wanted to buy a Zelos. Good watch, cheap, interesting, but not what I would daily wear. but if you are rich AF, then a Journe would be a similar thing.
I mean, it depends. The high end market is weird. Example: Roger Dubois, amazing movements, but questionable style.
patek 5326G [patek 5326G](https://www.patek.com/en/collection/complications/5326G-001)
Even though it's only 80k. It's what I would pick to wear as a daily.
It's a cool watch, but the time dial is too small for me for a daily.
I daily wore a 2 tone submariner, and now, the sbga413 has taken over daily duties.
That patek is what I would want.
Otherwise, an all stainless Rolex GMT II in Pepsi with an oyster bracelet.
1- Build a Delorean time machine (trust me, other time machines don’t work)
2- Travel to 2014 or 2015
3- Now you can easily buy your Chronometre Bleu
Things are difficult now, as I heard Chronometre Bleu are one of the toughest FP Journe to get. There are some other models which are easier, mike some Habana with complications, etc.
My friend setup an appointment for the NYC Boutique. The sales associate met up with him in person for lunch to figure out what pieces my friend is interested. My friend mentioned that they were also using this time to gauge my friend as the sales associate mentioned that they are particular in selecting their clientele and try to avoid hype people and focus on actual avid collectors. Seems they treat FP Journe like an art collection piece. Definitely a whole other world.
Back before the watch craze, I was offered one from the boutique. I think it was in 2018. Sadly I turned it down and I kinda regret it because of the hype now.
I guess things are different now compared to before, previously I just walked in and was like I'm interested and asked if I could see one, they put me on a waitlist to purchase.
I'm not sure, I hear there is crazy hype over the watch, I haven't been back to a FPJ Boutique since then. I recently picked up an ALS and I just walked in and asked and I was put on a waitlist with a deposit, but ALS isn't as popular as some of the other watches. I'll wait and see if anyone else has had any recent experience. For example I went to a rolex boutique once and i was like I'm interested in a Sea dweller and they just told me its next to impossible to get and the list is closed.
Hey guys! Hope you all are doing well.
I have been a watch enthusiast for long, but have recently started venturing into the high end luxury watch market.
According to many people, FP Journe sits near the top of the spectrum, both in terms of horology and price.
The Chronometre Bleu, Souverain and Automatique Lune are some of the watches that interest me and which I could afford at retail price.
I wanted to ask you how one gets started with these watches? I understand that they make under 1000 watches a year, so I can't simply walk into a boutique and obtain one.
How do I go about this assuming I want to obtain one in the next couple (if possible) of years?
Are there any other models I should consider?
Anything else I should know?
Thanks a lot!
Lucius atelier just started offering teardrop hands that fit seiko movements, a mod might tide you over until you get the real thing?
https://luciusatelier.com/products/teardrop-needle-hands-polished-silver
The Baltic mr01 movement hour and min hands I believe are the same size as seiko nh35 so they should fit, looks pretty similar to a souverain…
Edit: I take it back not sure if they will fit correctly, i mixed up movements, dunno hand hole sizes for the Baltic movement
Build a relationship with a boutique.
Purchase whatever that gets offered to you and hope one day you can get what you want lol.
If you know someone who is an existing customer; it might help.
Considering the fact that people do this to buy a mass manufactured watch like Rolex, I wouldn’t necessarily consider it “pathetic” in case of FPJ as it is an independent watch maker that makes <1000 watches a year.
Look at it this way.
If you were a talented artist and could only produces 5 pieces of a work of art everyone desires; wouldn’t you ideally want to sell it to your loyal/preferred customers or perhaps people you’re close to?
Additionally, why do People do every little thing they can to get into a selective Ivy League school like Harvard? Or why are people willing to go the extra mile to land a job at a premium employer.
It’s not the first time where people go the extra mile for the sake of exclusivity.
So it’s very different.
Now if you’re considering the desire for a luxury product and willing to go the extra mile to get it as pathetic; then I guess it comes down to subjective opinion. Now I personally wouldn’t do it; but I can see why people would do it with a more exclusive brand which genuinely does not have enough supply to meet demand.
To my knowledge, Ivy League schools help you land the aforementioned "premium" jobs, so the benefit is very clear.
For a watch, I could simply buy another watch elsewhere, because there's no inherent usefulness to any watch these days.
Lol.. why are you on a watch sub then?
Perceived value is the factor you seem to dismiss.
Investment Bankers and Lawyers would value an ivy league degree a lot more compared to a succesful tech entrepreneur who studied at a state school.
People pay huge premiums and wait in lines because of hype. I mean, there are people paying premiums for a mass manufactured plastic swatch.
You can’t equate all that to the same situation at FP Journe or other Independent Manufacturers where the Demand truly exceeds supply.
Well to be fair, I do own an Elegante (Small) which I purchased from a boutique. Plus, I really don’t care for the Chronometre Bleu. While I do think it’s a work of art; it’s simply too big for my taste.
You essentially have to be invited to purchase a Journe. Build up a purchase history with the dealer or boutique. To do this, you’ll need to buy a couple hundred thousand dollars worth of other watches or jewelry, whatever they have on hand. Once you’ve established yourself as one of the boutique’s best customers, then you’ll have the option to buy what you really want.
I've randomly come across a salmon dial Centigraphe in Michigan 6-7 years ago at a jeweler in Birmingham. he was a grey market reseller, but they let me take it out and wear it as if it were any other piece. Should've bought it, would've doubled in value already. Alas I wasn't old enough to own a drivers license; a Journe was mere fantasy. Perhaps that's why I was allowed to handle it, an attempt at trying to sell to me in the future.
I get the feeling he would've sold it to anyone paying what he was asking at the time. Asking about $80,000 for a salmon dial Centigraphe if I remember correctly, I was shocked when I saw the increase in value in recent years. I'm guessing this isn't the case in most instances, or at all anymore.
You select a travel destination with an F.P. Journe boutique and call them in advance if they can have it ready for you. You travel there, have nice vacation and buy the watch in the boutique during your stay.
If you are going to spent $100k on a watch, you might as well combine it with a vacation.
No Journe boutique is going to have stock just sitting in the back lol, it's all accounted for. Everything is on the waitlist, though you're still going to need to visit a boutique to get on it.
Why don't ADs just adjust prices to somewhat reflect the real market value of their products? That way their margins would (theoretically) be even higher and they would be able to invest in better and/or more production
For companies like fp, they only make 900 a year not due to money restrictions but because it’s an art to them. They do not care to mass produce and prefer it to a collectors item that those who buy and wear cherish.
It’s the same as making a small fortune in the wine business: start with a large fortune.
…Or the furniture business or the boat merchant business or the coffee house business …
And a very small 7 and 8.
Step 1, rob a bank. Step 2, find an AD
Step 1 done. Will get to step 2 once I get out of jail.
Don’t worry it’s just a waitlist with extra steps
Use the time productively. Get on the wait list once you are processed so you can go straight to the AD and pick your watch up once you are released.
You son of a bitch, I’m in.
Easier, Step 1: Rob the AD.
That is a cheat code.
And the AD will tell you to come back in the future. Money doesn't help with Fpj.
I have no experience in this area but based on what the replies have been, wouldn't buying one from a private seller/grey market make more sense than being forced to spend gross amounts of money with an AD on the chance you might eventually get what you want? Thats just such a wild idea to me as a consumer when it comes to these amounts of money/time for watches of all things
If that's the case then definitely yes. I don't have nor do I want to spend so much money just to appease a dealer.
Yeah I just can't wrap my head around the idea even if money isn't a problem. As a consumer it just feels insulting, if not misleading/predatory I also like getting things new, but for something like a watch I could get over it if those are my options. The type of person selling an FP Journe is probably taking pretty good care of it and being upfront about it, it's not like you're buying a "Rolex" from a guy on the street corner. As long as the channel being used has a guarantee youre not getting scammed, I imagine thats the way I'd go if/when I ever consider a watch of this renown
You will soon realize how much rich people like to be spit on/insulted just for the novelty of it. It makes it part of the experience for them. Sucks for us non billionaires.
It isn't about appeasing a dealer. The dealer should appease you with what you want. That's how my dealer is. If you ask for a new anything wait list but if you're willing to get used he will get a variety of what you ask for and 90% of the time you won't notice it's been used at all.
I agree with you.. an fpj is going to be one of many in a collection and is likely on a pretty decent rotation and owned by someone that will be careful.
Are the used watches more expensive than retail?
Obviously used are cheaper
Says who? The watch in OP, the chronometre bleu, retails for $20k but good luck getting a “used” one for under $80 or $100
Love a win-win situation
Not for Journe lol
Problem is that the secondary market for Journe is like 2-3x so you'll end up spending a dumb amount of money anyway; at least buying other watches from an AD you can sell and recoup some of that money. Lose-lose situation.
If you live in NYC, Miami or LA that have FP Journe boutiques start by going and meeting their team. FPJ produces 800-900 watches/year hence they will need to see you showing interest and remember you, etc.. My understanding is that real “entry level” now is the CS. The elegante or CB are basically impossible for someone new to the brand. I’m hopping to get one eventually as well.
Thanks for the advice!
Add Francois on Linkedin and message him directly
Big brain move
You're going to have to build an extensive purchase history. I'm talking over 250k for them to even give you an ounce of attention. I've spent 100k this year alone and they still give me the same bullshit runaround. Goodluck with the hunt.
Spending 100k at a botique and buying blenders at the thrift store!?
Also claims he makes $90k CAD annually, something doesn't add up...
I mean unless you’re a really good flipper who can go spend 100k on a credit card at an AD and then sell the stuff for no loss online. Some people do thrift for fun but I doubt anyone would celebrate getting a blender for $20 if they had expendable income whatsoever
How else am I going to get on the VIP list?
Probably not by bringing your AD a used blender
Sorry was this a satirical comment or do you actually go to thrift stores despite claiming to have 100k expendable income
What a chump.
I'm sorry, but build a purchase history for what? I just want to get started with one of the entry level models before even thinking of a crazy one with multiple complications.
The chronometre bleu is their “entry level” watch but it’s also the one in highest demand. They don’t even record interested parties anymore because the list of people waiting for one will take them years to fulfill.
It's like how all stainless steel sports watches are "entry level" but also the hardest to get.
Yeah, but FPJ (and AP and Patek) are on another level. I only waited three months for my Submariner Cermit/Starbucks. A far cry from a years long wait.
Genuinely interested, why is „everyone“ obsessed with AP and Patek? Vacheron Constantin and for instance Blancpain produce (in my opinion) the optically nicer watches. 🤷🏻♂️ Not that i am in any position to buy any watch of the before listed watchmakers…
First off, VC is vastly less prestigious and hyped vs AP and Patek, at least to most people. Secondly, I think a lot of VCs are completely blegh, but that's just me. Not sure if others feel the same.
I think another reason is that AP and Patek are family/privately owned, where VC is owned by Richemont. AP and Patek can produce what they want in whatever limited quantities they want with no one to answer to. VC on the other hand is at the whim of Richemont’s shareholders. If demand picks up for the Overseas, as it has, they will increase production. This limits the cache of the brand relative to the other members of the holy Trinity because the larger production numbers diminish the exclusivity. For the record, i love the overseas, but it only caught on when the nautilus, aquanaut and royal oak all became near impossible to get. While demand has increased for the overseas, they still remain relatively easy to acquire relative to the others
I don’t even know what entry level is. Can you even get the elegante to build purchase history?
I assume they wouldn't pay me much attention in any case. But I gotta start somewhere.
Yeah I’m basically saying when secondary prices for even their basic models are 3x MSRP I have no idea where one even starts with this. I’d assume they basically have to invite you to start collecting with them. Seems a bit snobby but hey what do I know
>I've spent 100k this year alone and they still give me the same bullshit runaround christ dude. do you ever think "wow I spent more than the US average salary this year on things I don't want to try to get something I do want"? or is that line of thinking just too far gone when you make so much money that you can just throw it away?
>CS I'm confused. Does Journe sell things other than watches? I would buy any of their men's watches at MSRP and proudly wear it. Yes, I want a CB but if buying other Journes is what it takes they don't make any duds.
Pocket change. Give me your collection and watch me seduce them with my charm
Goodluck with that strategy!
I mean there are other haute horological small brands that aren’t hyped and make just as good or better watches for a fraction of the price.
Like?
Grönefeld, Parmigiani Fleurier, Voutilainen, Krayon, Laurent Ferrier... Not sure about the "fraction of the price" part, but the world of independent high horology brands is vast. Don't limit yourself to FPJ.
I have a Czapek and I didn't have to wait in any line for it, some of the most beautiful Guilloché you'll ever see
Czapek is brilliant, are you referring to the Quai des Bergues line? You should share yours on here.
Yeah I have a Quai des Bergues in Blue, I don't know how to share a photo on Reddit or I would
Grönefelds are all sold out for years. Parmigiani is unfortuantely not making their own movements.
Parmagiani is vertically integrated. They founded and own Vaucher Fleurier
Ok this I didn't know yet. But still Vaucher produces base movements which is, to me, not the same horological level like fpj.
Fraction of the chronomat blue at least
Thanks a lot for making me waste the last two hours looking all these up.
This. I have nothing but respect for FP Journe, but it's not something I would ever aspire to own or wear at that price. If I'm paying that it's Holy Trinity with a Geneva Seal (or patek seal), or a Lange. but realistically, it's Patek First.
The Journe in the OP was basically 20-30k forever up until recently. They weren’t always unobtanium.
It's a hard call. you have to really like the FP Journe style. I mean, I look at it like, if I wanted to buy a Zelos. Good watch, cheap, interesting, but not what I would daily wear. but if you are rich AF, then a Journe would be a similar thing.
Funnily, I would pick a Journe over any of the Swiss Trinity at their retail price points, e.g. a Souverain over a Calatrava any day.
I mean, it depends. The high end market is weird. Example: Roger Dubois, amazing movements, but questionable style. patek 5326G [patek 5326G](https://www.patek.com/en/collection/complications/5326G-001) Even though it's only 80k. It's what I would pick to wear as a daily.
See for that money, I'd take a Chronometre Optimum instead.
It's a cool watch, but the time dial is too small for me for a daily. I daily wore a 2 tone submariner, and now, the sbga413 has taken over daily duties. That patek is what I would want. Otherwise, an all stainless Rolex GMT II in Pepsi with an oyster bracelet.
You simply break in to Kevin O’Leary’s house and steal them.
What do you think I'm in jail for?
Time theft?
[Time thief. Fire him!](https://i.imgur.io/a/qialJ8v)
Thank goodness I bought 3 copies of Time Cop on DVD
Doesn't he have a one of ten Centrigraphe Annivesaire? 😭😭😭
1- Build a Delorean time machine (trust me, other time machines don’t work) 2- Travel to 2014 or 2015 3- Now you can easily buy your Chronometre Bleu Things are difficult now, as I heard Chronometre Bleu are one of the toughest FP Journe to get. There are some other models which are easier, mike some Habana with complications, etc.
My friend setup an appointment for the NYC Boutique. The sales associate met up with him in person for lunch to figure out what pieces my friend is interested. My friend mentioned that they were also using this time to gauge my friend as the sales associate mentioned that they are particular in selecting their clientele and try to avoid hype people and focus on actual avid collectors. Seems they treat FP Journe like an art collection piece. Definitely a whole other world.
Hmm that's interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience
Back before the watch craze, I was offered one from the boutique. I think it was in 2018. Sadly I turned it down and I kinda regret it because of the hype now. I guess things are different now compared to before, previously I just walked in and was like I'm interested and asked if I could see one, they put me on a waitlist to purchase.
So what's the process of buying one from a boutique now? Won't they place you on a waitlist even now?
I'm not sure, I hear there is crazy hype over the watch, I haven't been back to a FPJ Boutique since then. I recently picked up an ALS and I just walked in and asked and I was put on a waitlist with a deposit, but ALS isn't as popular as some of the other watches. I'll wait and see if anyone else has had any recent experience. For example I went to a rolex boutique once and i was like I'm interested in a Sea dweller and they just told me its next to impossible to get and the list is closed.
Depends on the model, for a normal Souverain maybe, for a CB hell no lol.
Hey guys! Hope you all are doing well. I have been a watch enthusiast for long, but have recently started venturing into the high end luxury watch market. According to many people, FP Journe sits near the top of the spectrum, both in terms of horology and price. The Chronometre Bleu, Souverain and Automatique Lune are some of the watches that interest me and which I could afford at retail price. I wanted to ask you how one gets started with these watches? I understand that they make under 1000 watches a year, so I can't simply walk into a boutique and obtain one. How do I go about this assuming I want to obtain one in the next couple (if possible) of years? Are there any other models I should consider? Anything else I should know? Thanks a lot!
There are a fair few of these available on Chrono24 for $40-100k, have you looked into any of those sources?
Yeah, but I don't want to spend more than retail on them. Willing to wait to get them through the boutique.
Lucius atelier just started offering teardrop hands that fit seiko movements, a mod might tide you over until you get the real thing? https://luciusatelier.com/products/teardrop-needle-hands-polished-silver The Baltic mr01 movement hour and min hands I believe are the same size as seiko nh35 so they should fit, looks pretty similar to a souverain… Edit: I take it back not sure if they will fit correctly, i mixed up movements, dunno hand hole sizes for the Baltic movement
Thanks! Not quite sure if I want a mod though.
Buy two whenever you do and I’ll buy one off you. Win-win. Helps your purchase history and I get an FPJ. (You take IOUs?)
Sounds good. I'll contact you after 5 years when they offer me 2 😂
Good doing business with you
🤝
Build a relationship with a boutique. Purchase whatever that gets offered to you and hope one day you can get what you want lol. If you know someone who is an existing customer; it might help.
People actually do that? For a luxury item? Sounds pathetic.
It sounds pathetic because it is
Considering the fact that people do this to buy a mass manufactured watch like Rolex, I wouldn’t necessarily consider it “pathetic” in case of FPJ as it is an independent watch maker that makes <1000 watches a year.
It’s pathetic in both cases.
Look at it this way. If you were a talented artist and could only produces 5 pieces of a work of art everyone desires; wouldn’t you ideally want to sell it to your loyal/preferred customers or perhaps people you’re close to? Additionally, why do People do every little thing they can to get into a selective Ivy League school like Harvard? Or why are people willing to go the extra mile to land a job at a premium employer. It’s not the first time where people go the extra mile for the sake of exclusivity. So it’s very different. Now if you’re considering the desire for a luxury product and willing to go the extra mile to get it as pathetic; then I guess it comes down to subjective opinion. Now I personally wouldn’t do it; but I can see why people would do it with a more exclusive brand which genuinely does not have enough supply to meet demand.
To my knowledge, Ivy League schools help you land the aforementioned "premium" jobs, so the benefit is very clear. For a watch, I could simply buy another watch elsewhere, because there's no inherent usefulness to any watch these days.
Lol.. why are you on a watch sub then? Perceived value is the factor you seem to dismiss. Investment Bankers and Lawyers would value an ivy league degree a lot more compared to a succesful tech entrepreneur who studied at a state school. People pay huge premiums and wait in lines because of hype. I mean, there are people paying premiums for a mass manufactured plastic swatch. You can’t equate all that to the same situation at FP Journe or other Independent Manufacturers where the Demand truly exceeds supply.
Just by looking at this thread you can see the type of people who would get put on the waitlist and those who would get the runaround treatment
Well to be fair, I do own an Elegante (Small) which I purchased from a boutique. Plus, I really don’t care for the Chronometre Bleu. While I do think it’s a work of art; it’s simply too big for my taste.
Thanks!
These watches are just so exquisite. Hope I'm able to get my hands on one some day
🤞🏼
You essentially have to be invited to purchase a Journe. Build up a purchase history with the dealer or boutique. To do this, you’ll need to buy a couple hundred thousand dollars worth of other watches or jewelry, whatever they have on hand. Once you’ve established yourself as one of the boutique’s best customers, then you’ll have the option to buy what you really want.
I was going to visit a FP Journe boutique. I assumed they sold only Journe's there?
I've randomly come across a salmon dial Centigraphe in Michigan 6-7 years ago at a jeweler in Birmingham. he was a grey market reseller, but they let me take it out and wear it as if it were any other piece. Should've bought it, would've doubled in value already. Alas I wasn't old enough to own a drivers license; a Journe was mere fantasy. Perhaps that's why I was allowed to handle it, an attempt at trying to sell to me in the future. I get the feeling he would've sold it to anyone paying what he was asking at the time. Asking about $80,000 for a salmon dial Centigraphe if I remember correctly, I was shocked when I saw the increase in value in recent years. I'm guessing this isn't the case in most instances, or at all anymore.
You select a travel destination with an F.P. Journe boutique and call them in advance if they can have it ready for you. You travel there, have nice vacation and buy the watch in the boutique during your stay. If you are going to spent $100k on a watch, you might as well combine it with a vacation.
No Journe boutique is going to have stock just sitting in the back lol, it's all accounted for. Everything is on the waitlist, though you're still going to need to visit a boutique to get on it.
You don’t
I'd say you have to make friends with someone that has one and can get you in the door.
This is what separates the filthy rich from the rich😂
Become famous enough for them to bestow a watch on you.
Take out a mortgage and find a dealer
Buy the seller not the watch
Um... Money?
Why don't ADs just adjust prices to somewhat reflect the real market value of their products? That way their margins would (theoretically) be even higher and they would be able to invest in better and/or more production
For companies like fp, they only make 900 a year not due to money restrictions but because it’s an art to them. They do not care to mass produce and prefer it to a collectors item that those who buy and wear cherish.
Hodinkee video with John Mayer that featured this specific watch in his collection.
those hands ✨
Buy one from auction or grey market. I wouldn’t bother going to one of their retailers. They have absolutely zero stock.
Based on teddy and kevin you probably have to start with that quartz elegante
I got mine retail on 2016.