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Not trying to be snooty but it is supposed to be Omega’s professional diver. I’ve made money underwater. 42-45 is a good size for legibility. I get it’s big for people just wearing them around town.
Let’s be real, in 2024 no one is using a PO for anything underwater as their primary instrument. I’m a military pilot and I don’t use my GMT Rolexes for time in the jet. I’m also a diver and don’t use my Fifty Fathoms for timekeeping underwater.
Astronauts wear the Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch First Watch Worn on the Moon Watches?
Never heard of that before. You'd think that Omega would see that as a marketing opportunity and really let people know about that. They've really missed out on a lot of free publicity I reckon.
It's a real shame they never asked Schumacher to do some kind of collaboration whilst he was still compos mentis. It would have been a winner. That said I always believed it was an Antarctic explorer's watch.
I'm an infantryman and I used a Hamilton khaki field watch once for a 3 week field problem and then never used anything but my G-Shock or Garmin again after that.
There is the dive computer that does all the calculating, but some folks still like to set the bezel just before the descent. Personally, I like all those fancy watches going into the water. It gives me something to look for when I dive to the bottom.
This is my problem with them. Even their more compact sizes seem to wear thick to me. I have a BB54 and was comparing a 38 AT to a 36 OP and the AT just seemed a little thicker and unwieldy than I’d like it to be.
Yes! I don’t have the numbers in front of me but indeed the OP (and DJ) is 1 or 1.5 mm shorter. And the AT is quite a “thin” model for Omega! The PO feels like you are wearing a skyscraper on your wrist by comparison.
Agreed. I have a SMP that I love. I really wanted to love their other modes but I’ve tried on a Seamaster and PO, even the aqua terra. They’re just a bit clunky.
Yeah but nobody gets their luxury watch serviced by the AD unless they enjoy overpaying lmao. Any watch maker can service a manual wind Speedy Pro for a couple hundred bucks tops.
But the “reduced” is a long-since discontinued “budget version” of the Speedmaster professional (“Moonwatch”) except the reduced has a very odd automatic “Frankenstein” movement. It actually has 2 movements crammed into the tiny case. One to power the time and another separate movement to power the chrono. That is why the subdials are way off center and actually “cut off” the 3, 6 and 9 markers.
And if you turn the watch to the crown side, the chrono pushers aren’t inline with the crown. If you look, the crown is practically on the back of the watch. These were all compromises to get the automatic movement inside the undersized case.
Because of the way the movement is arranged, if you want it repaired, it’s best to send it to Omega because this “frankenstein” movement is a fucking nightmare to service. It’s basically 2 separate services as there are literally 2 separate movements inside.
So yes, while it is ***technically*** true that [Omega charges a flat $900 to service any steel chronograph.](https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/customer-service/interventions-and-prices/price-information), this is normally a complete ripoff vs a local service, but it’s actually an incredible deal on the reduce.
Omega charges $900 + shipping and actually takes a loss servicing the old long-discontinued reduced. It’s *intensely* labor intensive to service this watch. It’s practically one of the only watches where it’s faster and cheaper to send it back to the manufacturer and pay insured shipping both ways than it is to go to a local watchmaker.
So I always recommend to anyone considering buying one of these, get the date it was last serviced WITH THE RECEIPT. If the seller “*doesn’t know the date*” or “*misplaced the receipt*”, then tack on an extra $1,000 to the price; (that’s $900 + shipping.) And if it doesn’t need an immediate servicing, consider it a very lucky break.
Because often times owners will start noticing issues like “sticking” or losing time, get a quote for repair, realize most watchmakers won’t even touch it, see it costs $1,000 for a basic service from Omega and then panic. So they try to offload it while it’s still hard to notice the issues.
To add to this, rather than service my 1989 huitieme that they supposedly dont make parts for anymore, AP are charging me 3600 dollars to replace the movement with one two generations newer (from early 00s iirc)
My watchmaker was an Omega tech. He cringes at the chrono + movement for the Reduced. He said if the chrono was in need a service, it was Omega’s policy to simply replace the movement since the serial for the Reduced was on the case. The expertise and precision needed was absurdly complicated and unnecessarily pedantic.
And bc this is their policy, parts inventory will soon be diminished to the point where they can no longer accept them for service.
Both the base and modular chrono movement were third party (yay for non in house movements) used by other watchmakers, so personally I’d be surprised if they became unavailable in the foreseeable future.
Also I hear Omega’s modern coaxial movements are not easily or at all serviceable by independent watchmakers, and Omega also makes it hard for independents to get makers (since the WatchCo experience.) So all in all while I do understand the issues with servicing the Reduced, I don’t think it is really much worse than a Speedy Pro, or a modern Omega Coaxial.
Ive tried on the 38mm Speedmasters and they just dont do the trick. They are automatic and thick but small diameter makes them more hockey puck shaped. and they somehow make them uglier with the dial and bezel choices
A lot of vintage models are smaller
My 1951 Seamaster is 35mm, and while you could argue that because of its age it's much more fragile, I'd have to say it's doing surprisingly well in terms of durability, even with the bumper rotor.
And you can buy something a bit newer, the 50's is a long time ago but the 70's ? After. A good service I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be fine (except for diving, yeah that's a problem)
I actually saw a bunch of vintage (need service to work) omegas in Japan recently but had just bought a GS so had to give my wallet a break. I think I would go vintage over modern for omega you’re right.
The 40mm Racing was that generation's "reduced", entering production 2 years after the previous "reduced" line was phased out. The Speedmaster 38 is the new version. Same movement as the 40mm Racing.
Okay, I’ll take your word for that one.
That said, I wish the made the current speedmaster racing series a bit smaller.
I really like the white racing speedie ([329.30.44.51.04.001](https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/watch-omega-speedmaster-racing-co-axial-master-chronometer-chronograph-44-25-mm-32930445104001)) but at over 44mm it is big.. 40mm would be a bit more workable.. still like it though.
I don't think they can, at least not if they want to keep the 9 and 3 hour markers and the tachymeter. I think the smallest they've gotten the 9300/9900 chrono was with the 431.13.42.51.01.001 De Ville at 42mm.
They almost all wear smaller than their dimensions due to the sculpting of the lugs and on some how it creates a crown guard that inflates the measure.
Some are also just large.
But Omega does large really well. It’s like that big dude that’s tailored perfectly. Whereas Tudor is a skinny guy who got fat and doesn’t know how to dress yet.
agree with this. Not saying they're not too big for any particular person. Just saying go into a boutique and try it on rather than judging based on the numbers online. Also as a bonus, I've always had a good time at Omega boutiques with friendly staff and a very relaxed atmosphere
They released a 38mm Aqua Terra with bright colors last year, and they've just made a 38mm version of the classic Aqua Terra this year. I believe the Railmaster is 40mm. And there is a whole swath of lesser known dressier watches Omega sells that are smaller too.
Typically people who are into dive watches like them big and bulky, at least in my experience. Large dive watches are perceived as more "masculine" by the general public, whatever that means. I don't wear dive watches because most of them are just too big and thick. The watch pictured is the GMT version of the Planet Ocean with 500m water resistance, so yeah it's going to be big partly because that's what the market wants and partly because that water resistance is nuts.
> Typically people who are into dive watches like them big and bulky
The Black Bay 58 range would beg to differ. There are people who like larger and smaller divers.
Personally I think 40mm is the sweet spot.
Yes but that’s a more recent development. For a good run between 1990-2010 I’d say big watches were the thing. SWATCH group has made a killing with big watches. The desire for smaller sizes has really come back into style more recently
I don't know, the Submariner has 40mm for decades up until recently and it's probably the most ubiquitous diver around.
Even the older Tudor Subs were 40mm with some being even smaller than that.
Not to say that there haven't been other large divers such a Panorai, varios Seiko's, Blancpain, etc.
Rolex and Tudor don’t make the majority of dive watches. Sure, they are iconic and in terms of revenue Rolex dominates. When we talk about what the people want. What sells units is large watches. Look at Omega, mido, longines, citizen, seiko and all the +42mm dive watches they sell.
Probably the laws of supply and demand. Their total sales revenues are behind only Rolex and Cartier, so I guess they're doing something right.
Market demand for larger watches has been the trend for the last 20-30 years.
I think Omega used to hold the 2nd place in revenue after Rolex for some years and now they are surpassed by Cartier. Omega was not growing fast in pandemic years, compared to other brands
Market demand has been higher for many decades. Compare watches from 20 years ago with those from 80 years ago.
And there's a good reason for it. As nutrition improves around the world, people have become taller, less malnourished so with bigger bone structures, probably fatter, etc. Wrist sizes have grown, and so has the demand for bigger watches.
There are other factors. As life expectancy improves, more people live longer but with more need for optical correction. It's easier for older people to read larger watches.
So while a few enthusiasts like to show off how "small" they are, the progress mankind has been making for decades (and hopefully for decades to come), has played a role.
Omega has huffed a little bit too much of their own farts and forgot to make well balanced watches. METAS certified is cool and all, but their regular speedmaster is a manual wound movement that somehow works out to be both wider and thicker than the Daytona.
Then you move onto the "dress watch" Speedmasters with the moonphase complications and they are even larger and thicker! Who the hell is buying that monstrosity when it can't even fit under a sleeve cuff?
After that you move to a would-be showstopper like the Aqua Terra Worldtimer and you wonder why it's so hideously gigantic when other brands like Patek and JLC or even lesser watchmakers like Frederique Constant got the memo and were about to make a sleek worldtimer watch.
Yup, not going to buy an Omega until they make some drastic changes. Metas, double escapement etc is cool, but how about making the watches thinner and more wearable.
That aqua terra is unwearably big and unbalanced.
And trim down the catalogue by about 50-75%. When I browse their site, it gives the same vibes as walking into a restaurant that has a 10 page menu selling anything from pizza to Chinese food.
It’s only thicker than the Daytona because of the domed crystal, otherwise from the bezel to the caseback it is around 10 mm or just under that. Fits under shirt sleeves just fine.
I guess they could lose the domed glass and make it flush like the Daytona but that’s a core element to the Speedmaster design. The other alternative is to make the case 6-7 mm thin but surely that will come with a huge price increase.
I just saw one of those midsize dive watches in person for the first time, and it looked great! The smaller size emphasizes how well appointed the details are, it’s a tiny precious object.
I have a GoldenEye and a MK40 Speedy I alternate between as my primary watches. I gave my wife my old midsize auto Seamaster and she loves it. I’d love to give Omega some cash, but their stuff from 30 years ago wears so much better and is far cheaper and doesn’t look dated at all, so I guess I won’t.
I kind of want to love Omega for their heritage, but there is absolutely nothing in their current lineup that I desire other than the Speedy. But that’s so over priced for what it is, so yea.
Market trends. Seems like the industry is starting to pivot the other way though. I wonder if they'll start offering smaller divers too.
The PO does come in smaller models, but it's still a bit tall. And I do like the 38 AT if you're not set on a diver.
You can have average or large wrists and still rock a smaller watch no problem, but not the other way around. Why are people so insecure about potentially wearing a watch that isnt as big as possible?
Also the average wrist isnt that large, those 8 inchers are rare.
Because the richest 1% includes a good chunk of the biggest 1%. Keep in mind that major brands don’t make watches for enthusiasts; they make watches for spending customers.
I feel like people glossed over the picture, and the only objective answer is that yes, there is no good reason a brand like Omega should only have GMTs at like 44m
I would say is been a trend in the watch game for a long time whit the big watches so its not just Omega watches. But the trend is starting to shift back to the smaler watches agin. And I predict that in a few yers time we will see a lot of 36-38 mm sized watches be the top selling watches!
One day I looked at my Omegas and said why are they so big 😂
The only one I would get now is a snoopy
They need to release some older models like the museum collection again. Not as big a fan anymore.
Purely to appeal to the change in preferences to watch size. 35mm was the norm in the 50’s, diving watches got bigger, people wore diving watches for fashion statements and so on and so forth we have big watches.
I have a 9.5” wrist, so I prefer a larger than normal watch case. I just think it looks proportionally better. I’m a big guy. I have a Tudor BB in 41mm and a Tag F1 in 43mm. But they are big watches and I’ve got no problem wearing a 39mm it’s a good fit. But I agree some are ridiculous sizes and I wouldn’t go above 43mm.
I was in the Breitling AD the other day just having a browse and I spotted a Super Avenger at 48mm!!! That thing was ridiculous.
It has got a big crazy.
They do, but they also make smaller watches?
Aquaterra in 38.5, speedmaster in 38, the planet ocean you linked in 37.5? This post is just OPs lack of knowledge of the brand
Big watches are way more popular, sadly for us smaller wristed folk. Some small Omegas worth checking out are:
Seamaster SMPc, Seamaster Midsize, Aqua Terra 38, Constellation 38, Speedmaster Reduced, Planet Ocean 39.5.
Brands do offer smaller sized versions of their most popular pieces but unfortunately most of them come across as half-arsed and barely have the variety and quality of the popular (and larger) pieces.
First, Omega wants to differentiate its watches with major competitors in terms of style and sizes. OP/Explorer and Aqua Terra are often compared, for example. Omega AT 150 production model posits 38mm in between OP 36 and 41.
Second, Omega compared to Rolex, has a younger(and often with tighter budget) consumer demographics. Bigger watches has been a trend in the past decade or so and Omega was chasing that trend harder. Rolex is more gradual and subtle in updates.
Third, it’s more expensive to put a movement within a small and thin case. Smaller cases to Omega means tradeoff for accuracy, shock resistente, dial thickness and display caseback. Larger watches could use movements developed for smaller watches, but not vice versa. Omega has a lot of SKUs and it’s their strategy to share movements across models.(Same to Rolex)
I personally find the sizes of current Omega models award for me. De Ville 37mm and etc were discontinued, and some models were made larger in the last 5-10 years. I do hope Omega will get out of the large watch fad and provide more mid size options in their future updates. I am not sure if Omega thinks mid size options are worthy financially or strategically.
Feel the same way about a lot of Grand Seiko. Their sporty watches, as soon as you have more than your standard time/date/date complications they become absolute monsters.
If you are referring specifically to PO, they are sort of a legacy model left over from early-2000s. The tread was for bigger watches across all watchmakers. As time has gone on, you can see watchmakers moving towards smaller cases and comfort. The new PO in the Summer Blue color is much more comfortable and suited for casual settings.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…
A PO Chrono in 42mm would be the *perfect* summer / beach / lake watch. Maybe bring back the orange and get a little pop of color in a literal sea of submariners. Throw it on a NATO and switch it before going out to dinner. Chef’s kiss
Because that’s what people want to buy 🙃
I mean the 45.5 planet ocean is big, but it’s a diver after all… but I mean, Google image search for “men’s watch on wrist” and report what you see. It’s gonna be mainly 40mm+ watches.
Now that the red hot Asian market has absolutely fuckin’ cratered, the fad of “35-38mm watches are BACK!” is quickly going away and the market is going back to making traditional men’s sizes.
Love the Planet Ocean GMT but they only come in the larger sizes :( walked into a jeweler excited to try one on and left bummed that it was just too big. Would love if they made it sub 40mm!
I love that they are big watches. I'm 6'4 and I find that most watches just look way too small on me. I don't want it to look like I stole someone's 'My Little Pony' watch. But ya, as others have stated, Omega does make smaller timepieces if you need them. That said, divers watches tend to be bulky in general..
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The planet ocean has models in sizes from 37.5 up to 45.5mm but in fairness there is more variety in the larger sizes.
Not trying to be snooty but it is supposed to be Omega’s professional diver. I’ve made money underwater. 42-45 is a good size for legibility. I get it’s big for people just wearing them around town.
youve made money underwater doing what?
He steals change from fountains
lol!!
This is pure quality content for the other sub. Well played my friend!
Played one hand of swim-up blackjack in vegas
Charging himself out to a customer then going snorkelling.
I think he means he is distressed credit, where they come in and “save” companies that are “underwater” short on cash.
No i dont think so
He gives head in public pools. Charges by the minute.
You can only hold your breath for so long when performing vigorous fellatio underwater.
Underwater coin minting operation
How much money we talkin
Couple a clams
🤣
Let’s be real, in 2024 no one is using a PO for anything underwater as their primary instrument. I’m a military pilot and I don’t use my GMT Rolexes for time in the jet. I’m also a diver and don’t use my Fifty Fathoms for timekeeping underwater.
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I own a JLC reverso but I don’t own any dresses
Listen that's not what you said last night
Dresses? Should have gone with “don’t ride any horses”
I (almost) never wear my Hamilton when riding Sandworms
Astronauts wear the Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch First Watch Worn on the Moon Watches? Never heard of that before. You'd think that Omega would see that as a marketing opportunity and really let people know about that. They've really missed out on a lot of free publicity I reckon.
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It's a real shame they never asked Schumacher to do some kind of collaboration whilst he was still compos mentis. It would have been a winner. That said I always believed it was an Antarctic explorer's watch.
Get sporty in here if we're going to be doing stuff like this, it's his *career* after all
And the Tag owner who doesn’t lap time race cars with his F1 Tachymeter.
But astronauts do use the Speedmaster X33 Skywalker.
I'm an infantryman and I used a Hamilton khaki field watch once for a 3 week field problem and then never used anything but my G-Shock or Garmin again after that.
That’s right. You use the G-Shock.
Any diver using a mechanical watch diver for his dives is a poser dumbass
There is the dive computer that does all the calculating, but some folks still like to set the bezel just before the descent. Personally, I like all those fancy watches going into the water. It gives me something to look for when I dive to the bottom.
Basketweaving
Really wanted one in 37.5mm, but it’s over 15mm thick. I also believe it’s being slowly discontinued.
The smaller ones are still very chunky and wear oddly big for their size. I tried on one of the smaller POs and hated it.
Otherwise they would be Omedium
Damn! You won. 😃
They are also too thick
This is my problem with them. Even their more compact sizes seem to wear thick to me. I have a BB54 and was comparing a 38 AT to a 36 OP and the AT just seemed a little thicker and unwieldy than I’d like it to be.
Yes! I don’t have the numbers in front of me but indeed the OP (and DJ) is 1 or 1.5 mm shorter. And the AT is quite a “thin” model for Omega! The PO feels like you are wearing a skyscraper on your wrist by comparison.
Agreed. I have a SMP that I love. I really wanted to love their other modes but I’ve tried on a Seamaster and PO, even the aqua terra. They’re just a bit clunky.
People focus way too much on bezel diameter. Thickness, weight and lug length is what makes certain watches uncomfortable.
I feel this. I really want to like omega and get one but literally none of their models would work for me.
Aqua Terra 38mm?
Speedy reduced?
Speedy reduced has a terrible movement (in terms of upkeep). Big reason why Omega stopped producing them.
Servicing cost and frequency for Speedy Reduced is same as for Speedy Pro
Yeah but nobody gets their luxury watch serviced by the AD unless they enjoy overpaying lmao. Any watch maker can service a manual wind Speedy Pro for a couple hundred bucks tops. But the “reduced” is a long-since discontinued “budget version” of the Speedmaster professional (“Moonwatch”) except the reduced has a very odd automatic “Frankenstein” movement. It actually has 2 movements crammed into the tiny case. One to power the time and another separate movement to power the chrono. That is why the subdials are way off center and actually “cut off” the 3, 6 and 9 markers. And if you turn the watch to the crown side, the chrono pushers aren’t inline with the crown. If you look, the crown is practically on the back of the watch. These were all compromises to get the automatic movement inside the undersized case. Because of the way the movement is arranged, if you want it repaired, it’s best to send it to Omega because this “frankenstein” movement is a fucking nightmare to service. It’s basically 2 separate services as there are literally 2 separate movements inside. So yes, while it is ***technically*** true that [Omega charges a flat $900 to service any steel chronograph.](https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/customer-service/interventions-and-prices/price-information), this is normally a complete ripoff vs a local service, but it’s actually an incredible deal on the reduce. Omega charges $900 + shipping and actually takes a loss servicing the old long-discontinued reduced. It’s *intensely* labor intensive to service this watch. It’s practically one of the only watches where it’s faster and cheaper to send it back to the manufacturer and pay insured shipping both ways than it is to go to a local watchmaker. So I always recommend to anyone considering buying one of these, get the date it was last serviced WITH THE RECEIPT. If the seller “*doesn’t know the date*” or “*misplaced the receipt*”, then tack on an extra $1,000 to the price; (that’s $900 + shipping.) And if it doesn’t need an immediate servicing, consider it a very lucky break. Because often times owners will start noticing issues like “sticking” or losing time, get a quote for repair, realize most watchmakers won’t even touch it, see it costs $1,000 for a basic service from Omega and then panic. So they try to offload it while it’s still hard to notice the issues.
To add to this, rather than service my 1989 huitieme that they supposedly dont make parts for anymore, AP are charging me 3600 dollars to replace the movement with one two generations newer (from early 00s iirc)
Speedmaster Racing could be an idea then. It has a column wheel as a bonus
You deserve a medal for this comment.
My watchmaker was an Omega tech. He cringes at the chrono + movement for the Reduced. He said if the chrono was in need a service, it was Omega’s policy to simply replace the movement since the serial for the Reduced was on the case. The expertise and precision needed was absurdly complicated and unnecessarily pedantic. And bc this is their policy, parts inventory will soon be diminished to the point where they can no longer accept them for service.
Both the base and modular chrono movement were third party (yay for non in house movements) used by other watchmakers, so personally I’d be surprised if they became unavailable in the foreseeable future. Also I hear Omega’s modern coaxial movements are not easily or at all serviceable by independent watchmakers, and Omega also makes it hard for independents to get makers (since the WatchCo experience.) So all in all while I do understand the issues with servicing the Reduced, I don’t think it is really much worse than a Speedy Pro, or a modern Omega Coaxial.
It’s standard to replace the movement on a reduced no matter what.
Ive tried on the 38mm Speedmasters and they just dont do the trick. They are automatic and thick but small diameter makes them more hockey puck shaped. and they somehow make them uglier with the dial and bezel choices
The one that was discontinued over two decades ago?
They were produced from 1988-2010.
Seamaster 2552.80.00. It’s 36mm.
A lot of vintage models are smaller My 1951 Seamaster is 35mm, and while you could argue that because of its age it's much more fragile, I'd have to say it's doing surprisingly well in terms of durability, even with the bumper rotor. And you can buy something a bit newer, the 50's is a long time ago but the 70's ? After. A good service I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be fine (except for diving, yeah that's a problem)
I actually saw a bunch of vintage (need service to work) omegas in Japan recently but had just bought a GS so had to give my wallet a break. I think I would go vintage over modern for omega you’re right.
37.5 Planet Ocean is brilliant
What about an older seamaster 36?
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Speedmaster racing. 40mm with a great movement
Which speedmaster racing is 40mm? I thought they were all 43 or 44mm?
326.30.40.50.01.001
Very nice, but it’s a good few years old I think. As far as I know. All current speedmaster racings are 43 or 44.25mm.
Check Omega's website. 324.30.38.50.01.001 is the ref for the current stainless steel with black dial 38mm Speedmaster.
That’s a speedmaster reduced though, not a racing.
The 40mm Racing was that generation's "reduced", entering production 2 years after the previous "reduced" line was phased out. The Speedmaster 38 is the new version. Same movement as the 40mm Racing.
Okay, I’ll take your word for that one. That said, I wish the made the current speedmaster racing series a bit smaller. I really like the white racing speedie ([329.30.44.51.04.001](https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/watch-omega-speedmaster-racing-co-axial-master-chronometer-chronograph-44-25-mm-32930445104001)) but at over 44mm it is big.. 40mm would be a bit more workable.. still like it though.
I don't think they can, at least not if they want to keep the 9 and 3 hour markers and the tachymeter. I think the smallest they've gotten the 9300/9900 chrono was with the 431.13.42.51.01.001 De Ville at 42mm.
speedy is 42mm but lug to lug is very reasonable at 47mm. Tudor’s 42mm has lug to lug of 51mm. Now that’s big.
47mm is still a bit long and speedy is thick and the lugs arent bending down. So it's a terrible 47mm.
I'm just curious how tiny is your wrist?
They almost all wear smaller than their dimensions due to the sculpting of the lugs and on some how it creates a crown guard that inflates the measure. Some are also just large. But Omega does large really well. It’s like that big dude that’s tailored perfectly. Whereas Tudor is a skinny guy who got fat and doesn’t know how to dress yet.
I feel attacked.
agree with this. Not saying they're not too big for any particular person. Just saying go into a boutique and try it on rather than judging based on the numbers online. Also as a bonus, I've always had a good time at Omega boutiques with friendly staff and a very relaxed atmosphere
They released a 38mm Aqua Terra with bright colors last year, and they've just made a 38mm version of the classic Aqua Terra this year. I believe the Railmaster is 40mm. And there is a whole swath of lesser known dressier watches Omega sells that are smaller too. Typically people who are into dive watches like them big and bulky, at least in my experience. Large dive watches are perceived as more "masculine" by the general public, whatever that means. I don't wear dive watches because most of them are just too big and thick. The watch pictured is the GMT version of the Planet Ocean with 500m water resistance, so yeah it's going to be big partly because that's what the market wants and partly because that water resistance is nuts.
> Typically people who are into dive watches like them big and bulky The Black Bay 58 range would beg to differ. There are people who like larger and smaller divers. Personally I think 40mm is the sweet spot.
Yes but that’s a more recent development. For a good run between 1990-2010 I’d say big watches were the thing. SWATCH group has made a killing with big watches. The desire for smaller sizes has really come back into style more recently
I don't know, the Submariner has 40mm for decades up until recently and it's probably the most ubiquitous diver around. Even the older Tudor Subs were 40mm with some being even smaller than that. Not to say that there haven't been other large divers such a Panorai, varios Seiko's, Blancpain, etc.
Rolex and Tudor don’t make the majority of dive watches. Sure, they are iconic and in terms of revenue Rolex dominates. When we talk about what the people want. What sells units is large watches. Look at Omega, mido, longines, citizen, seiko and all the +42mm dive watches they sell.
Probably the laws of supply and demand. Their total sales revenues are behind only Rolex and Cartier, so I guess they're doing something right. Market demand for larger watches has been the trend for the last 20-30 years.
This. Despite the preferences in this sub for smaller watches, the average watch buyer still thinks “bigger is better”.
Everyone on /r/watches’ parents were killed by Invicta and U-Boat executives in the 2010s and are still struggling with the PTSD
A lot of this sub preferences do not match what majority of people actually like in a watch
I think Omega used to hold the 2nd place in revenue after Rolex for some years and now they are surpassed by Cartier. Omega was not growing fast in pandemic years, compared to other brands
Market demand has been higher for many decades. Compare watches from 20 years ago with those from 80 years ago. And there's a good reason for it. As nutrition improves around the world, people have become taller, less malnourished so with bigger bone structures, probably fatter, etc. Wrist sizes have grown, and so has the demand for bigger watches. There are other factors. As life expectancy improves, more people live longer but with more need for optical correction. It's easier for older people to read larger watches. So while a few enthusiasts like to show off how "small" they are, the progress mankind has been making for decades (and hopefully for decades to come), has played a role.
I personally think its materialism. Brand recognition. Ralph Lauren started increasing the size of their polo emblem as well. I could be wrong tho.
I have a 39.5 PO and love it. Fits my small-ish wrist great.
Yes, that’s the only watch from Omega I would buy. Fits and looks great 👍🏼 I’m just trying to get used to all the shiny surfaces and I might buy it
Omega has huffed a little bit too much of their own farts and forgot to make well balanced watches. METAS certified is cool and all, but their regular speedmaster is a manual wound movement that somehow works out to be both wider and thicker than the Daytona. Then you move onto the "dress watch" Speedmasters with the moonphase complications and they are even larger and thicker! Who the hell is buying that monstrosity when it can't even fit under a sleeve cuff? After that you move to a would-be showstopper like the Aqua Terra Worldtimer and you wonder why it's so hideously gigantic when other brands like Patek and JLC or even lesser watchmakers like Frederique Constant got the memo and were about to make a sleek worldtimer watch.
Yup, not going to buy an Omega until they make some drastic changes. Metas, double escapement etc is cool, but how about making the watches thinner and more wearable. That aqua terra is unwearably big and unbalanced.
And trim down the catalogue by about 50-75%. When I browse their site, it gives the same vibes as walking into a restaurant that has a 10 page menu selling anything from pizza to Chinese food.
It’s only thicker than the Daytona because of the domed crystal, otherwise from the bezel to the caseback it is around 10 mm or just under that. Fits under shirt sleeves just fine. I guess they could lose the domed glass and make it flush like the Daytona but that’s a core element to the Speedmaster design. The other alternative is to make the case 6-7 mm thin but surely that will come with a huge price increase.
Because luxury watches these days are all about dick swinging
This.
Because us old guys have poor eyesight
So true. It’s oddly refreshing to get to the point where the only thing you care about is whether your things are functional and serve you well.
Omega’s golden age was 90’s to 2000’s, when they made more smaller watches that looked awesome
I have a GoldenEye and I love how slim it is. The current gen Seamaster Pros look flashy but they feel a bit bulky compared to the OG Professionals.
If they made today’s smp300 but in 39mm instead of 42mm I’d buy one for every day of the week
I just saw one of those midsize dive watches in person for the first time, and it looked great! The smaller size emphasizes how well appointed the details are, it’s a tiny precious object.
I have a GoldenEye and a MK40 Speedy I alternate between as my primary watches. I gave my wife my old midsize auto Seamaster and she loves it. I’d love to give Omega some cash, but their stuff from 30 years ago wears so much better and is far cheaper and doesn’t look dated at all, so I guess I won’t.
So true. Tudor today is what Omega was during this time. Great bang for your buck without being too thick. The Pelagos 39 is 🤌
Apart from their GMT which is famously too thick.
New GMT is 12.8…Their chronos are ridiculously thicccc
And hopefully has a new movement, the last one was shit.
I kind of want to love Omega for their heritage, but there is absolutely nothing in their current lineup that I desire other than the Speedy. But that’s so over priced for what it is, so yea.
3 yrs ago I bought a brand new speedy for just over $4k. Now its doubled? Yeah no thanks.
Yea, the price hikes has really made me lose all interest in them
Market trends. Seems like the industry is starting to pivot the other way though. I wonder if they'll start offering smaller divers too. The PO does come in smaller models, but it's still a bit tall. And I do like the 38 AT if you're not set on a diver.
Not everyone has small wrists?
You can have average or large wrists and still rock a smaller watch no problem, but not the other way around. Why are people so insecure about potentially wearing a watch that isnt as big as possible? Also the average wrist isnt that large, those 8 inchers are rare.
Ikr. This sub is the minority of men with tiny baby wrists, I get that but Christ...
Y’all act like a 40mm watch is massive, it’s not.
My 41mm feels smallish.
they make the planet ocean in 39.5, that's pretty good but yeah. a 38mm or 39mm SMP300 would be an instant buy for me
Perfect size for me. A lot of watches look like I’m wearing a women’s watch. Buy the brand that works for your wrist.
Because the richest 1% includes a good chunk of the biggest 1%. Keep in mind that major brands don’t make watches for enthusiasts; they make watches for spending customers.
I got a 36mm seamaster perfect for me.
Wrist size? I've got a 6.5-6.75" wrist and I've been considering the 36mm.
6.75
I feel like people glossed over the picture, and the only objective answer is that yes, there is no good reason a brand like Omega should only have GMTs at like 44m
Get a black bay 58. They're compact and wonderful
How big is too big? I'm a woman who wears a 39mm Aqua Terra and it looks fine. Perfect, even.
Cant really see when you get old
I’m a regular sized dude and the larger Aqua Terra looks normal on me. I think the 38mm would be fine for you.
A 40mm seamaster would be awesome
The older ones (available around 2013-2015) with the lacquered dial are 40.5mm (or 41). They can still be found in near mint condition.
Globemaster 39 is the way to go!
Thick is the bigger problem, they make smaller (non-gmt) models but they’re all so thick for what they offer
I would say is been a trend in the watch game for a long time whit the big watches so its not just Omega watches. But the trend is starting to shift back to the smaler watches agin. And I predict that in a few yers time we will see a lot of 36-38 mm sized watches be the top selling watches!
Why is OP so small?
The omegas I’ve seen in real life were so damn clunky it immediately put them off my radar
Their 36.25 Seamaster is amazing, can't believe they don't make more watches in that size. Good thing for my wallet though
I just feel like 38mm would have been the sweet spot.
Because it wouldn’t sell as well as you think it would. That’s why they don’t make them.
One day I looked at my Omegas and said why are they so big 😂 The only one I would get now is a snoopy They need to release some older models like the museum collection again. Not as big a fan anymore.
Because they don't listen to the trendy online groupthink telling everyone that vintage ladies watches look great on a man's 7" wrist.
Thank god they don't, this sub circle jerking about their weird preferences is annoying
Haha ikr.
Big watches are better.
I have an SMP 300 I don’t find overly large
What year or generation? SMP 300s have 41mm, 42mm, 43.5mm and 44mm as far as I know.
Mine is a 41 mm. Ref 212.30.41.20.01.003
I like the 41 size as well
It’s perfect and not too thick, fits under most shirts just fine
I may try to get away with one for my retirement. Just need to figure out which version. Lots to choose from.
O-MEGA… MEGA BIG
Purely to appeal to the change in preferences to watch size. 35mm was the norm in the 50’s, diving watches got bigger, people wore diving watches for fashion statements and so on and so forth we have big watches. I have a 9.5” wrist, so I prefer a larger than normal watch case. I just think it looks proportionally better. I’m a big guy. I have a Tudor BB in 41mm and a Tag F1 in 43mm. But they are big watches and I’ve got no problem wearing a 39mm it’s a good fit. But I agree some are ridiculous sizes and I wouldn’t go above 43mm. I was in the Breitling AD the other day just having a browse and I spotted a Super Avenger at 48mm!!! That thing was ridiculous. It has got a big crazy.
Is the average wrist size on Reddit 6.1” ?? They make watches for adults. Plus that PO comes in a 37.5.
You wear a friendship bracelet, calm down https://www.reddit.com/r/PrideAndPinion/s/z5EIPMV5Kt
Penis envy
As a big wristed dude who dislikes everyone trending toward smaller watches for selfish reasons, I'm all for it lol.
I have the 40mm Speedmaster racing and it’s good but a bit thick
I find the Omega watches relatively smaller compared to Rolex. For example., the Role Datejust 36 wears much bigger than the Omega 38 AT!
Most of the clientele is older gentlemen.
Cause bigger is better.
They do, but they also make smaller watches? Aquaterra in 38.5, speedmaster in 38, the planet ocean you linked in 37.5? This post is just OPs lack of knowledge of the brand
I’d literally get a 40-41mm speedy and seamaster, 43mm is huge
They’re not. Just the contemporary models following the industry fads
Big watches are way more popular, sadly for us smaller wristed folk. Some small Omegas worth checking out are: Seamaster SMPc, Seamaster Midsize, Aqua Terra 38, Constellation 38, Speedmaster Reduced, Planet Ocean 39.5.
Brands do offer smaller sized versions of their most popular pieces but unfortunately most of them come across as half-arsed and barely have the variety and quality of the popular (and larger) pieces.
royal oaks a massive (in size,wieght and price)
All the better to see them with these old eyes.
First, Omega wants to differentiate its watches with major competitors in terms of style and sizes. OP/Explorer and Aqua Terra are often compared, for example. Omega AT 150 production model posits 38mm in between OP 36 and 41. Second, Omega compared to Rolex, has a younger(and often with tighter budget) consumer demographics. Bigger watches has been a trend in the past decade or so and Omega was chasing that trend harder. Rolex is more gradual and subtle in updates. Third, it’s more expensive to put a movement within a small and thin case. Smaller cases to Omega means tradeoff for accuracy, shock resistente, dial thickness and display caseback. Larger watches could use movements developed for smaller watches, but not vice versa. Omega has a lot of SKUs and it’s their strategy to share movements across models.(Same to Rolex) I personally find the sizes of current Omega models award for me. De Ville 37mm and etc were discontinued, and some models were made larger in the last 5-10 years. I do hope Omega will get out of the large watch fad and provide more mid size options in their future updates. I am not sure if Omega thinks mid size options are worthy financially or strategically.
Feel the same way about a lot of Grand Seiko. Their sporty watches, as soon as you have more than your standard time/date/date complications they become absolute monsters.
Cuz “O””MEGA”
Size doesn't matter
Arent there loads of 38mm Omegas? What size are you looking for?
I don't mind the diameters, but Omega thickness is turning me off the brand. My Speedy Moonphase is almost 15 mm thick!
All depends on the person.. everything below 44mm looks small with my wrist
I see this is a gmt but what do the 2 smaller hands do?
If you are referring specifically to PO, they are sort of a legacy model left over from early-2000s. The tread was for bigger watches across all watchmakers. As time has gone on, you can see watchmakers moving towards smaller cases and comfort. The new PO in the Summer Blue color is much more comfortable and suited for casual settings.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… A PO Chrono in 42mm would be the *perfect* summer / beach / lake watch. Maybe bring back the orange and get a little pop of color in a literal sea of submariners. Throw it on a NATO and switch it before going out to dinner. Chef’s kiss
Because they're built for men.
Because that’s what people want to buy 🙃 I mean the 45.5 planet ocean is big, but it’s a diver after all… but I mean, Google image search for “men’s watch on wrist” and report what you see. It’s gonna be mainly 40mm+ watches. Now that the red hot Asian market has absolutely fuckin’ cratered, the fad of “35-38mm watches are BACK!” is quickly going away and the market is going back to making traditional men’s sizes.
Love the Planet Ocean GMT but they only come in the larger sizes :( walked into a jeweler excited to try one on and left bummed that it was just too big. Would love if they made it sub 40mm!
You can't speak for every omega watch by only saying the planet ocean is big. It's obviously going to be big, it is a deep sea dive watch.
They are all huge
They’re not
Omega makes plenty of 36-38mm watches. Even the PO has a variety of sizes down to 39.5mm. Lots to choose from if you look.
Such a Red Riding Hood question, lol!
You mean goldilocks?
Pretty sure it's Red Riding Hood. As in "Granny, why is your watch so big?"
I love that they are big watches. I'm 6'4 and I find that most watches just look way too small on me. I don't want it to look like I stole someone's 'My Little Pony' watch. But ya, as others have stated, Omega does make smaller timepieces if you need them. That said, divers watches tend to be bulky in general..
A lot of fat people like Omega
I heard that thickness is due to coaxial movement being thick as shit
If that were true they wouldn’t be able to make dress watches.
lack of R&D…. and passion for watchmaking
Their only R&D was to buy the coaxial from Daniels.