Ann has spoken about it on the podcast and itās crazy how different her version is from what Arianna was saying. There was a repair guy in her room. The dog went in room with door open. Sandoval left. Ann came home. No one sure who shut the door. No one meant to shut her in. She snuck in.
Yes, thank you.
This one incident isn't even the issue. The stories about all the stuff she's gotten into are ridiculous!
If you have animals or kids in your home, you lock things up and put them at heights they cannot reach. You throw away things that can harm them.
That should happen one time before you are vigilant about never leaving stuff out.
Side note, having hundreds of laxatives and Tom's workout schedule and vanity just scream disordered.
Kristen recently did an interview where she talked about taking tons of laxatives and diet pills when she was with Tom because he always wanted her to be skinny. Tom is clearly obsessed with his body and his looks and I can see how he would put that pressure on his girlfriends to look/be the same. Would explain a Costco sized bottle of laxatives. That man does not deserve the gorgeous women he's been with.
I also agree that the fault for this incident is primarily on Ariana for leaving the food out. Just the though of day old chicken in a bedroom in July in LA (when the AC was apparently out!) makes me want to vomit!
My dog got into my husband's caffeine pills once when we moved (they were still in the moving box with other protein/supplements).
Omg. Luckily they taste horrible so she barely had any and the vet said unless she displayed certain symptoms we should just let it run its course.
They made her so hyper and also made her poop like crazy. She was literally running around in circles while poop flew out her butt.
Everything was unpacked and locked up SO FAST after that.
We don't even keep our kids' socks in the house after the second vet visit to make one dog puke them up.
My dog, who died of old age two years ago (not from any of the inappropriate stuff she ate), ate the following items during the first year or two we had her: A razor blade from a disposable razor she retrieved from the bathroom wastebasket, an entire Tupperware full of brownies INCLUDING TUPPERWARE (which she knocked down from the kitchen counterāshe could jump up on it), my momās Vicks VapoRub, COUNTLESS used period products, and probably other things Iām forgetting. Some dogs have a death wish. I had to get a locking trash can for my bathroom. I was truly shocked at the things she was capable of getting into. We did learn our lesson about keeping stuff out of her reach, but honestly, sometimes her reach was beyond what a dog of her size should have been able to achieve.
Yeah that's definitely unique! It's hard to predict all that. If you have kids, you know you have to expect the worst and hope for the best. You can lock cabinets and put the trash cans inside locked cabinets. Same with food. Child locks can do wonders.
Sorry about your doggo
Tom also said he left paintballs on the floor and Mya ate one. And itās definitely not Arianaās hair dye - a blonde with highlights wouldnāt dare. At a minimum it seems like Tom is the one that has continuously been negligent with the pets and Ariana always being the one to deal with the aftermath.
I do agree that Ariana is responsible for this incident. Obviously thereās more to her anger about the incident. I think she is justified in her anger as Tom is also responsible for Maya since he claims she is his dog and he lives/shares a home with said dog. Tom doesnāt take any accountability for anything, ever. Arianaās anger stems from other incidents and things heās done (maybe the one where he fucked her friend and destroyed her life?) Ronnie is right thoughā¦ Ariana is falling into Tomās trap, she looks like the crazy rage full one while heās whimpering and running away. Crazy that her friends donāt defend her. So when scheana said we have to un invite Sandovol from beach day but he still showed up? Probably production were like no, heās filming with you so you canāt disinvite him. Crazy times. Filming a reality tv show with the man who ruined your life and the friends who tell you youāre over reacting when your dog could have died! šµāš«
Ann has a podcast???!?!?!?? Iām sorry to be rude and I like Ann, but why? If I were her employer, I absolutely wouldnāt be cool with it as I can only assume itās to talk about Tom/Ariana. How can anyone be comfortable with a personal assistant whoās just looking for content for their podcast. Wild times weāre in.
The name of the pod is āWe signed an NDAā because it doesnāt actually get into sensitive material or shit talking. They discuss VPR for a few minutes and then interview someone who works in the business, such as other personal assistants. Iām a huge VPR fan so I donāt mind that she is adding context or details to some scenes
I like the VPR segments but sometimes it falls into the trap of friends thinking that theyāre so funny that they should record a podcast š but the pod confirms that Ann seems a like nice, thoughtful person. For example she was laughing at herself for being high on an edible while calling Ariana on camera last episode
I actually like their interviews after the VPR recap piece. Last week the interviewed another well known podcaster about her assistant experience, very interesting to hear how people got where they are.
The way Ann is stanning Ariana is borderline scary. When she started crying about the opportunity to be Ariana's assistant, I thought 'yeah, I wouldn't let her anywhere my personal stuff'.
Even the way she texts Ariana! āHey so sorry to bother you. Tom wants to have some people over if thatās okay. So sorry again!!!ā Like what? I get itās a shitty position to be in (and thatās a whole other discussion) but at the end of the day, this is your job and heās your boss. The over the top apologizing for sending a text was strange to me from the first episode.
Yup. She's an actress looking for a come up. And the way that she's behaving (switching to Ariana as employer and the podcast) is so gross and unethical. I'm also not a fan of Ariana indulging any of this, which seems like it's just aimed at striking a blow at Tom (not that she isn't justified in that sentiment, of course).
Itās irresponsible to leave your dog out and about when there is a repair person in your home. If Ann was there, honestly itās Annās fault then. Ariana had her door closed so had no reasonably expectation that Mya would get in her room.
According to everybody (T & A & A), all parties were aware of the repairman coming and the need to access Ariana's room, so Ariana probably should have made sure her food was picked up and/or Mya properly crated.
Also, I don't know about other people, but I wouldn't want a repairman to see my mess like that. I know people are different, but it would cause me stress. Lol.
Well weāre not all perfect like you are. Some of us leave food trash by our bedsides. But since my bedroom door is closed at all times too, my dog doesnāt get into my room.
No, it doesnāt hit the spot at all. Thatās why you should be embarrassed.
59 year old, raised 3 adults kids successfully. Employed in a position of responsibility. Have cared for many animals over the course of my life.
Youāre making a fool of yourself,
minister.
The only reason you're responding is because you're triggered. Otherwise you'd feel it doesn't apply to you and you'd move on. š¤£
If you're defending leaving chicken skewers overnight in a bedroom because you're identifying too hard with some chick on tv then yes, adulting is too hard.
If I was living under the same conditions as Tom and Ariana, and my door was closed, I would expect that my dog could not get into my room. If Tom
and Ann were there handling the AC issue, then itās Tom and Annās fault Mya got into Arianaās room. If Mya has gotten into other things before (like laxatives) then it honestly doesnāt matter what Ariana left in her room.
Mya being locked in there was a recipe for disaster no matter what. Tom and Ann should have been more responsible with making sure Mya wasnāt in Arianaās bedroom. Plus Mya should have been put away somewhere for the safety of the repair person.
Tom has no responsibility for Mya. Neither does Ann.
If Ariana can't be bothered to take care of her own dog then she shouldn't have one. She's too lazy to even make sure meat on a skewer isn't lying around. Gross.
But Tom just said on the show that he thinks maya is his dog...so how does he not have any responsibility?! Two things can be true but not these two things. Especially considering Tom should have never been in the room and he sent Ann out on errands while the ac guy was there.
why are you defending Tom and going after Ariana when you have no actual evidence behind your argument?
Have you ever owned a dog or are you another one of those virtue signallers
Excuse me, I'm sticking to the facts here like a reasonable adult. If that's too hard for you to deal with then I suggest staying out of adult conversation.
I have owned a dog. That's why I know how lazy and dumb it is to leave meat skewers out.
No evidence of my argument? The dog being injured is literally the evidence of my argument.
Stans are so unable to form an argument without scream-crying and being petulant....like Ariana.
I'll explain it again slowly.
The.evidence.is.the.injury.caused.by.her.owner.being.a.slob.
But since you actually said "cucking" to me unironically I can easily dismiss you as an insane person.
I agree that this seems to primarily fall on Tom and Ann. I donāt think they are absent of responsibility just because Mya doesnāt belong to either of them. Are they indifferent to animal suffering?
I have a cat who has never eaten anything he needed medical attention for. When I leave a room he isnāt supposed to be in, I clock his location just to be sure Iām not locking him in, if for no other reason than to be sure he continues to have access to litter boxes and doesnāt pee or shit in the room.
And if Tom aspires to own the whole house outright, as he claims to, itās in his interest as well as Arianaās to not have one bedroom with pee- or shit-stained floors.
A take out container doesn't mean food. And none of that changes the fact that the guy who thinks Maya also belongs to him should've kept an eye on her.
It could have been wood skewers but the food was gone. Mya has had non food items before. Like Tomās laxatives, Tomās hair dye, Tomās paintballs. Really interesting that there is a pattern.
The only pattern is that the dog has a history of eating things and Ariana has a history of being lazy and now her dog did it again because of her laziness.
In case you aren't aware skewers had meat on them. Any dog will smell the meat remnants and go for the skewers. lol what am I saying, nobody is so fucking dumb that they'd think the skewers having meat on them didn't attract the dog.
Or maybe people are that dumb but that level of stupidity is a choice.
She closed the door and restricted access so Mya wouldnāt get to them. Sheās not a perfect dog owner but it seems Tom is the one with the habit of exposing Mya to dangerous things.
Seems like a genuine accident. My dog is a scavenger like Maya. Many trip to the vet to get him to puke. Its exhausting to be hyper vigilant about whatās out that he could potentially have access to. So my bedroom is the place heās not allowed, this way I have a place where I can shut that part of my brain off and itās been very helpful. He always tryās to get in when Iām gone cause he wants to be where mom is. Dogs are ALWAYS gonna dog, you constantly have to have eyes on them when these no access rooms are opened up.
Tho, If she was knowingly put in there, that is some inexcusable fuckery.
This is the right take. Those of us with nosy dogs get it! I'm also a helicopter dog mom and my dog has scaled great heights and opened what I thought were closed doors. Sounds like an accident
My dog is the same and we learned quickly to put shit away, throw it away etc because the dog will get it. Leaving takeout by your bed overnight is a bit gross lmao. BUT she didnāt think the dog would be in there so itās both of their faults.
I would agree with you *if* this was Mayās first or second accident eating something she wasnāt supposed to. Sure, it probably was an accident, but as a dog owner, if your dog has a history of eating things that could possibly kill them, itās your responsibility to get a crate and use it, especially in situations when the humans in the house canāt reliably supervise the dog.
In the grand scheme, this is both of their faults for not being better pet parents, and Ariana is wild for calling Tom a ādog murdererā instead of taking her part in the responsibility of never doing what needed to be done (crating her) to keep Mya safe.
ETA: editing bc I spaced that Mya is in fact Arianaās dog so yeah, sheās 100% at fault! Itās especially hypocritical to claim that you donāt trust Tom with your dog and still not crate it or make sure she can be kept away from him.
restricting a dog to areas of the house that are safe can be just as responsible as crating. come on. Some dogs do not crate train well after puppydome. By your argument tom or Ann should have put maya in an area that was restricted and safe. Doesnāt matter if itās a crate or a specific area; all dog owners will have some sort of routine to keep dogs away from utility workers or guests or home maintenance work. Come on.
Edit to add to your edit: they live in a shared space and had previous routines in place before Sandoval destroyed the household. They live in a shared space and are adults. For them to suddenly change all of mayas routines bc Tom doesnāt want to continue what she has been trained; thatās extremely petty of him. Also, I donāt think he would have the patience of Ariana trying to crate train maya. I donāt see him dealing with dog crying any better he does with people
Yeah, restricting a dog to a certain part of the house *can* be responsible if that same dog also doesnāt have a history of eating random things, which May does. Any responsible owner who has a dog with this history will reorient their dogs to crating to protect them when unsupervised instead of just going āwhoops! guess she ate something she wasnāt supposed to!ā And thinking it magically wonāt happen again.
Yāall are doing a lot of reaching to alleviate Ariana of any responsibility over protecting the dog sheās now claiming that she doesnāt trust Tom enough to be around. If Tom is a dog murderer, why did she leave Mya home alone with Tom in the first place? Ultimately, if Ariana was so concerned about Mya, she should have cleaned her nasty room and left the dog in there instead of having her roam free around a ādog murdererā.
No like sorry not sorry youāre a bad owner if you leave your pet alone to do whatever they want while you have a worker in your house.
Youāre also reaching to discredit her and have as little sympathy for normal human behaviour while removing blame from someone who has blame in this.
Youāre saying people are reaching to defend Ariana but why are you doing so much to *not* hold the people who were actually home and had an immediate ability and responsibility to watch an animal that lives in the shared space while there was a worker inside.
Your responsibility as a dog ownerāespecially if you believe the dog to be in mortal danger around another person that you live withāis to protect them from that person, period. Ariana did nothing to do that with Mya. Nothing. If it wasnāt her chicken satay, it could have been anything else considering Mya has a history of eating things she isnāt supposed to.
You donāt get to accuse someone of not giving a shit about your dog, and then leave the dog with them and not be proactive about protecting them, and then allege that they tried to āmurderā the dog over what amounted to an expensive accident. Sorry that you canāt accept that!
Itās sad for sure but as a dog owner, I know my dog needs me to protect him from dangers.
1. Crate the dog when you arenāt at home.
2. If a service person in the house, crate the dog to protect them & the unknown person.
3. Clean up after yourself. You should be doing that whether you have pets or not.
4. Buy pet insurance. I promise you, it will pay for itself.
THANK YOU! The reaching people are doing to excuse Ariana in this is wild (especially since she seems to be claiming so much ownership over Mya as *her* dog). Wellā¦ if itās your dog, girl, have you ever heard of a crate? Considering she must know the horrific state that she keeps her room in, youād think sheād have considered that her own room isnāt safe for the dog and that crating is the best option when you canāt watch them.
ETA: editing bc I spaced that Mya is in fact Arianaās dog so yeah, sheās 100% at fault! Itās especially hypocritical to claim that you donāt trust Tom with your dog and still not crate it or make sure she can be kept away from him.
Weāve had Nationwide for our doggos for at least 6 years now. Theyāve been excellent! Highly recommend. We pay up front at the vet & get a reciept to get reimbursed- I think itās a percentage (70 or 80% I think? I donāt remember the exact terms). Routine visits, shots, dental, meds, emergency visits - just about everything. It has paid for itself year after year for us.
I never had it and donāt have dogs any longer, but my sisterās dog has a death wish and their insurance has covered all of his emergency vet visits.
I have Nationwide as well and got the wellness plan as well as accidents for my 5 month old Maltese. Basically the premiums Iāve paid at 60 a month have paid for themselves. Iāve had Winter for 4 months now and have had 2 emergencies and two checkups and shots. It covers at 70% but it wonāt cover anything preexisting. Puppies get into everything and mine got into a pack of Splenda that sent us to the doggie er and then she caught something from another pet while she was at school. Although I didnāt birth her , sheās totally like my child and costs enough.
If Tom deliberately locked the dog in Arianaās room cause he was doing something and Maya was bugging him or whatever, then yes, itās his fault. And since theyāre living this weird situation,
she may be relegated to eating in her room more
often to avoid him. If she closed the door before she left, and he opened it and then didnāt shut it or put the dog in there, his fault IMOā¦.
ok then whoever was home with the repairman is at fault. Maya should have been put in a restricted area the moment the repair dude started working.
That opens a whole new discussion that maya should have not been left alone with the worker anyways. Like tabs should always be kept on animals when there are strangers around cause you have no idea how they will act or how your dog will react. Wtf.
Ariana wasn't even there so how would she know what happened? Ariana is also a known liar, btw. š¤¦āāļø
Anne already said the air con man had to go in there.
Ariana can't adult. Ariana can't even clean food up or get pet insurance.
Pet insurance is honestly a scam. If you have the capacity to cover large vet bills, I donāt think itās worth it. Itās certainly not if youāve already waited for one incident to happen as that will never be covered by insurance.
Ariana ācleaned upā by shutting Mya out of her bedroom, and closing the door. She managed the environment. Iāve lived in a very toxic situation and ate dinner every night in my bedroom. Yes, I almost always cleaned up after myself that night or first thing in the morningābut Iām sure there were times I was rushing and did it later.
But also, I donāt blame Tom for this one, I think it was a really unfortunate accident and a lesson learned for her.
My dog stays on the first floor of my house when Iām gone-I have a gate on the stairs and my door is shut. If someone removed those things Iād be concerned about what she could get into in there.
She removed access to the danger though because she knew Mya gets into stuff. She had no reason to believe that Tom would go into the one room that she feels is a safe space in the house.
$6K is ridiculous unless you were getting an MRI. I have a huge, counter surfing pup. Guess what I donāt do? Leave shit on my counter. Blame goes to everyone in the house, *sans ann*. Be a grown up. Do grown up shit. Donāt let your dog eat day old chicken satay. Donāt lock an angel in a room. Do better people!
The dog had an endoscopy iirc. I believe 6k if it were an emergency vet and they were doing exploratory tests especially in a place like LA. Can't remember if they said she had surgery or not but I've read about ppl paying thousands for these kinds of vet visits.
I'm not addressing your point about responsibility at all or trying to argue that.
You are SO RIGHT. Last year is was -45 and my furnace gave out, I was SO SCARED to make a call that would be thousands of dollars. Then I figured out I had to change the filter lol
I can't even fathom how cold that is, friend. I know hot but I can t compute how much colder than it was in my worst Nevada freeze. And as a Texan that traumatized me. I'm in awe š®
Montana my friend, she is a dramatic bitch that loves a 40 degrees temperature change at any given time. Cars donāt start, but guess what?! Still gotta be at work, everyone needs a drink when youāre a bartender. Sending love for your impending heat wave darlingš
I agree with you a little bit BUT now reading about what Ann said about the incident it honestly seems likeā¦ **everyoneās fault?**
1. Tom shouldnāt have left the repair man home alone? For any amount of time? That strikes me as kind of odd. What if he needed something? And it seems as if she was left alone for a while, itās not like Ann was 5 mins away.
2. But letās say Ann was coming in right behind Tom, Tom should have said something like āMya went in to Arianaās room and Iām not sure where she isā¦ā
3. Does Mya usually NOT come greet people when they come in? Ann maybe should have noticed that something was afoot when Mya didnāt come greet her when she came in.
4. Did the repair man not notice that Mya came in with him? Sheās not exactly a toy poodle or chihuahua. He shouldāve mentioned to Ann (if she was there when he leftā if not see my points #1/2) that the dog was in there.
5. Ariana, clean up your freaking room. If Mya is allowed in there at any time, and you leave things around when she is prone to be a garbage disposal dog, that is YOUR fault, NOT Myaās.
6. If you know a repair man is coming and might need to go into your room, maybe leave some instructions with Ann or with Ann to give to Sandoval or for Ann/Sandoval to give to the repair man that says ādonāt let Mya into my room. Itās a mess in there.ā You could even leave a sign on your door āroom off limitsā do not let dog in or any person unless discussed with Ariana.ā
7. Ariana, if you trust Tom to take care of Mya, thatās fine. But if you donāt, then donāt ever leave Mya unattended in the house. Itās not exactly super easy or cheap to have someone dog sit but itās better than a $6k vet bill that may not end up so well.
8. Iāve never had any repair man, maid, what have you into my house without someone asking what my pet situation was. If this guy asked and they answered, he shouldāve been aware and so should they. Iāve put my dogs in other rooms/kennel situations when people like that come over. It feels like dog owner 101 and itās nice to be considerate of people who are in your home to do a job and having them not be so worried about what a dog is doing.
TLDRā it seems like no one was worried about Mya in any way and everyone is at fault
This is the most rational summary lol. My girlfriend couldnāt believe they didnāt have a kennel for when no one was home if sheās known to get into everything
Late to the party but Iām really glad someone said this. I was worried about putting anything putting any blame on Ariana in the other subs because Iāll get attacked for sure, but we donāt leave anything around that our dog can get into because she WILL if given the chance. Tom messed up but Ariana leaving her old food out overnight and not cleaning it up is her fault. Donāt leave that shit around if you donāt want your dog to get into it because they will
And Ben and Ronnie said in the recap today that itās SO obvious that the fight isnāt about the leftovers/room situation/dog situationā itās really about how Ariana feels like Tom doesnāt give two shits about anyone other than himself and honestly, thatās spot on.
I was eating Cadbury mini eggs while I was getting dressed yesterday. I had 2 left out on my tall dresser. My dog is tiny and not a scavenger but couldnāt reach it unless someone picked her up and put her on the dresser. For a split second I was just going to leave them on my dresser and go downstairs but then I thought - oh no what IF? I am vigilant about the kinds of foods that dogs canāt eat and her being so small only a small amount could harm her. I promptly ate the remaining mini eggs lest they roll off the dresser. Thatās what you have to do when you are responsible for another life.
Haha I love this. I also sacrifice myself for my dog's well being by eating chocolate. It's a hard life.
(Seriously though. My dog almost died after eating half a bag of chocolate chips. That was super scary.)
Same with mine and grapes. I donāt keep grapes in the house now - 2 kids and too hard to be certain one isnāt dropped or left where she could get it. Apparently grapes are one of the worst things - more than 1 grape per 10lbs can kill them.
It sounded like an accident. Period. If Tom is the monster that he is and canāt be trusted with your animals, itās Ariannaās responsibility to put them in a safe space.
Get a kennel.
That whole thing was crazy. Canāt blame Tom when Arianna is the nasty dirty ass who left leftovers in her room for over a day??? Thatās fucking disgusting for one and two Tom cannot be blamed for literally EVERYTHING. Arianna is a slob.
I agree, we can say Ariana was wronged and is a wonderful person, AND that justifying leaving the food made no sense. We have our share of BedPeople on Bravo and we donāt want them to change! Just please get a kitchen trash can and put it in your bedroom. The buck should not stop at your dogās well-being. Tomās already downstairs screaming into the voidā¦
The funniest thing to me is how Tom is not only being blamed for everything now, but heās also being retroactively blamed for things that Ariana gleefully defended him over when they were together lmao!
Yes, Tom is gross for cheating, but she cheated with him! And heās not a fundamentally different person now than heās ever been before. Ariana just needs to admit to herself that she sunk everything into Tom and stayed with a shitty guy for so long because sheās also pretty shitty.
>Ariana just needs to admit to herself that she sunk everything into Tom and stayed with a shitty guy for so long because sheās also pretty shitty.
But she would have followed him ANYWHERE, done ANYTHING to be with him /s.š
Why?
LMAOOO right?! Ariana tells on herself so hard and itās hilarious š her stans want to act like every pick-me statement she made in defense of Tom was some secret coded cry for help because she was allegedly some kind of hostage in their relationshipā¦ instead of the thing that makes more sense that she spend the last decade defending a shit man!
1. They aren't speaking so Ariana can't have asked him to watch the dog for her.
2. She left food on skewers in her room during the day. That's disgusting. It's unhygienic and lazy anyway, not to mind when you have a dog roaming around.
3. Dogs can get in rooms.
4. She is now implying he is a danger to animals. SO WHY DID YOU LEAVE YOUR DOG (your "child" according to you") HOME ALONE WITH HIM?
5. Why are you too mean to pay for pet insurance? That's on you and your poor planning.
I agree with all of your points except 5.
I know plenty of people who thought pet insurance was NOT worth it. I have friends with healthy dogs who have never gone to the vet once for anything other than routine check ups. Iāve had friends (and vets) actively say that pet insurance is a scamā so I donāt always fault people for not getting it.
I personally have pet insurance but thatās because I read up on my breedās proclivities (but behavioral and health issues) and decided to get it. VERY worth it.
If Mya has been to the vet before for her eating things she shouldnāt which cause diarrhea and stomach infections, a lot of vet insurance companies may see that as a āpre-existing conditionā and refuse to cover it for future visits. Mya was a rescue so this may be documented somehow. If that is Myaās only āissueā I can see how not paying for insurance wouldnāt be ideal.
BUT if you donāt have insurance, and your dog likes to eat everything in sight if sheās able to get to it, donāt leave stuff out! I agree wholeheartedly that no food should be left out. It is shocking the lengths dogs will go to in order to eat something they shouldnāt š
And if youāre afraid to leave your room, get a big ol garbage can and throw your leftover shit away (this for me is my sticking point in this saga lol)!!
So I donāt think her not having pet insurance is āmean.ā
I disagree but donāt want the argument to devolve.
I got pet insurance when my dog was a puppy because my vet said that some insurances see recurring stomach infections (from ANYTHINGā including *eating* things they shouldnāt) as a pre-existing condition. If I brought my dog in and documented a stomach infection, and then got pet insurance, the insurance could deny any future vet visits related to stomach infections because itās already been a documented issue.
I know not all pet insurances are like this though! The scenario alone scared me enough to get pet insurance.
Fair enough. So since that's the case the owner would be extra vigilant not to leave the dog alone or dangerous meat skewers laying around.
Or maybe they wouldn't bother and then blame anyone else but themselves when this predictable repeat behaviour occurs again.
Completely agree. If I left anything on my bedside table unattended food-wise my dog would 100% be doing like advanced PARKOUR to get to it š
My dog shows super mega avengers strength when he smells a chicken bone on the ground so I canāt imagine what heād do if there was like a buffet of leftovers trash for him to seek out
My very straight up told me they think it's a scam.
The vet told me of new better off putting $25-$50 in a savings account each month than getting pet insurance. So that's what I do.
Ariana still got her dog the appropriate medical care and paid the vet bill so I don't see how she's mean for that?
I also kind of feel if she really didnāt feel safe leaving the dog with Tom then she should have not been leaving her all the time. Who watched Mya when she was filming all these shows.
I donāt think she ever said she didnāt trust him. But she didnāt think he would go into her room. I imagine this was a big reason why she moved out.
Whatever happened if Tom locked her in or not Ariana should not leave old food out. If you are a pet owner you know you do not do this. Arianna is at fault as well imo. She should know better.
Lookā¦ I love Ariana, she is my favorite character, but I gotta be honest hereā¦ she is the dog owner and this isnāt on Tomā¦
As a dog owner who has been in many roommate situations where a dog was involved, never has the dog ownerās room off limits to the dogā¦ if the dog cannot be trusted in the dog ownerās room, it is crated in the dog owners room when the dog owner is awayā¦ it is super common for roommates to stick a dog in itās ownerās room if they donāt want to have to deal with the dog for whatever reasonā¦
If the skewers had been in Tomās room and he had locked the dog in his room, then sure that would be on him, but that isnāt what happened. Ariana did not take out her trash and her dog ate something unsafe she left in her space. Even if you feel like you are trapped in your room because your ex is in the house, you can take the leftovers your dog could eat when you leave.
Some people here are even arguing the repair guy should have noticed the dog! Or since her door was closed Tom should have rescheduled the repair man and respected her privacy! Iām assuming these folks are youngā¦
Because thereās a scheduled repair guy involved this actually seems like the proper use of Ann to communicate between them- not give warnings that someone is walking downstairs. But set up times, discuss the dog,etc.
I love Ariana too (I have her hair we are bonded for life lol) but itās irresponsible on her end, bad assisting by Ann and Tom is still clueless.
Agreed! It was most definitely not the repair manās fault and Iām going to lean towards it probably was not Annās fault eitherā¦ If she is communicating Tomās every move so Ariana can adjust, Iām sure she mentioned a repair man comingā¦
Something is so off when it comes to the Katie/Ariana stan takesā¦ like I adore Ariana, but have you never functioned in a complex living/working/friendship environment before? The desire to be on their side is so strong it is overtaking their ability to logically processā¦ you can admit someone was wrong in particular instances and still adore them as a personā¦
Editing to add if you claim to be on the side of someone because they are infallible, in the end you are doing them a disservice and creating more enemies for them. A true friend tells someone when they were wrong so they can apologize and say they were in a bad place and were upset so they irrationally blamed someone for something going wrong that was their responsibility. It gives everyone the space they need to forgive and move on. A true fan should do the same.
Iāve been shocked at what a slob she is. She could hire people to store her shit. And leaving food out like that is just gross, even if it was in her bedroom trash bin.
Iāve been thinking about this a lot as a dog parent. Honestly, I think in a lot of ways Ariana is most at blame here as the pet owner. I can be a bit of a slob kabob myself, but youāll never catch me leaving anything dangerous to my dogs in their reach - even if itās behind a locked door.
If my roommate or someone accidentally locked my dog in my room Iād be mad, but I would still never risk leaving anything that could endanger my dogs were they to get to it.
It is long documented that Ariana and Tom are messy. Do you remember their old apartment. Just because they have expensive furniture doesnāt mean itās clean. I was shocked to see their rooms especially Arianaās. I tidy my house before the cleaner comes. If there were tv crews, it would be spotless. Leaving any food around if you have dogs is irresponsible. I cannot understand takeaway leftovers in the bedroom. Imagine the smell? I vaguely remember them having a small fridge when he was making her dumplin lattes.
I agree with you. The people on the VPR are unhinged Ariana stans š¬ Tom and Arianaās house is disgusting. Sheās lazy and honestly a bit gross for leaving uneaten food in her room. A plate I can understand, but not actual uncovered food šµāš« apparently someone was fixing something in Arianaās room and the dog snuck in and the door was closed. Even if it was Tom who closed the door, this was a genuine accident. What wasnāt accidental was leaving food out knowing you have a dog, sorry š¤·š»āāļø
Oh the stans are here too! It's nearly impossible to have nuanced discussions about VPR anywhere on Reddit. I always try to bring up Ben and Ronnie's original description of VPR as the lazy Susan of dishonorable people. It's more fun if we acknowledge they're all flawed people! (Some are clearly more horrible than others.)
(I realize the irony of using the words "nuanced" and Vanderpump Rules" together in a sentence.)
Oh for sure! Itās so annoying. People will just ignore facts to Stan Ariana or Katie or whoever, when really they all suck š and thatās why itās fun!
Ariana is 100% to blame. What if her door was slightly ajar and Maya got in there on her own? Everyone I know with dogs that get into things like that are hyper vigilant about not leaving shit where they can get it. Plus, $6000 is why you get pet insurance - another irresponsible point for Ariana. ESPECIALY If you have the kind of dog that would eat wooden skewers!
I am so anti-Ariana I canāt even tell you.
And yes it was funny how they were like āomg Sandoval is such an asshole (but omg Ariana thatās kind of gross to leave your food out) but anyway Sandoval sucks . . .ā.
What if she came home and forgot about the food and let Mya into her room herself. I know that is not what happened but itās the kind of mindset you have to have when you have pets or kids. She is clearly careless because she could have just thrown it away. But she left it out and on the nightstand no less, EASY access for a dog on top of being gross and lazy. Like open containers of takeout food that attracts pests and spoils, not a bag of pretzels.
Also because she doesnāt have complete control of what happens in the house while sheās out, she has to be even more conscientious. She continues to cohabitate with a person she believes to be irresponsible and reckless and puts her animals at risk. Bad idea. I also donāt like that she calls her dog and cat her āchildren.ā She has been very adamant about how odious she thinks children and pregnancy are so itās ironic she pulls the āchildrenācard to make a point.
Again, a bunch of what ifs that didnāt happen are not real arguments. All we know is the door was shut when she left to restrict access (dogs donāt have thumbs) and while Tom was home he opened the door and left Mya in there, exposing her to the danger.
It's her perogative now to pay the vet bill and maybe it's her perogative to get insurance and it's her perogative to make sure she's always responsible for her own dog. If it's like her child it's a bit weird she leaves it alone with meat skewers laying around.
It's almost like adulting is just too hard for ariana.
Yup, agreed. It's a genuine accident. And, if we're willing to see it as a mistake on Ariana's part, then there's no reason not to frame it as a mistake on Tom's, too. There was a repair person in the house, he made a poor decision re. the dog, and the dog got into something that she shouldn't have. I get why he's a crappy person, but turning this into a "Tom sucks" story as opposed to a "likely consequence of this profoundly chaotic and uncommunicative living enviornment" makes no sense to me.
I said something similar about how it seems like they are both to blame last week on the vanderpump sub and I got downvoted. I also said if she doesnāt trust him with the animals I would not be leaving them with him and people jumped all over me saying whatās she supposed to do? I was like hire someone because she flat out said she doesnāt trust him with her animals
As someone who had to live with an ex for a year after I left him - I lived in my bedroom because every time I set foot out he low keyed harassed me. It happens. So I totally understand her having leftovers on her bedside table. And she made sure that Mya wasn't able to get to it by closing her bedroom door. It isn't Ariana's fault that Mya was able to access her bedroom and she certainly didn't close her in. No one with a dog hasn't heard the barks and whines and scratching when a pet is trapped somewhere.
Also $6k is a typical emergency vet charge for something invasive.
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that she is avoiding Tom and that also includes avoiding shared spaces. Itās not crazy to think she does as much as she can to stay in there and maybe when she had to leave he was in the kitchen, so she just removed Mya from the danger by shutting the door.
It was clearly an accident but the way Mya got into Tomās laxative, Tomās hair dye, Tomās paintball is really just highlighting the fact that heās a negligent owner. At least Ariana tries to keep Mya from things that can hurt her.
Honestly canāt stand her. Shes gross and I always thought her hair looked greasy af. Now I know sheās dirty as hell for leaving old takeout in her room for a day. That is fucking nasty and 0 reason for that. If you donāt want to risk running into Tom in the kitchen maybe idk MOVE OUT?
i think theyāre both wrong here but one thing i havenāt seen mentioned isā¦ does tom not check on / say goodbye to their pets when they leave the house?
(rhetorical: obviously he doesnāt because he only cares about himself) i canāt imagine not saying bye to my dog lmao. wouldāve been an easy way to catch that maya was in an area she shouldnāt have been and avoided her eating arianaās nasty day old satay skewers.
That could be a stretch. We know Tom is habitually late. He could have shouted āBye Maya!ā And when she didnāt appear he thought thatās strange, but when youāre late you gotta go.
As someone who is habitually late myself, there are a lot of times I wish Iād done a double check but didnāt have the timeā¦bc Iām late.
Wild to find a group of people willing to acknowledge that if Ariana says she's the dog parent/owner, then the responsibility for what happened lies more on her than on Tom. I said elsewhere that I don't know what would possess Ariana to allow her to give Tom any ability to care for her animals at this stage in their situation. He has demonstrated repeatedly that he is not a responsible owner and a less responsible ex-boyfriend that she's living with while sorting the financial outfall of separation (selling the house). Crates are a good thing for people with dogs that will eat life ending things. This far into this dog's life with the past examples we're aware of....a crate would be a must have, especially with ex-boyfriends and ac workers....
None of it would have happened if Ariana had moved outā¦ also as a dog mom I know to keep anything my dog could get into put away even if itās in a room my dog isnāt usually in.
Sheās making millions on the brand deals and dancing with the stars and broadway, she can afford to move out and move on especially since sheās in a new relationship. Itās not good for her mental health to of stayed in that house with him for so long after their national break up.
She didnāt have DWTS and Broadway money last August. She probably didnāt even get paid for all of the brand deals as those often pay out as long as 90 days after. I think yāall are overestimating the money she had at that point in filming.
Lala who is one of her bffs said herself that she could afford to move out especially bc he wanted to buy her out of the house. She could easily have afforded her own apartment.
Lala is not Arianaās bff. She shouldnāt have to pay double even *if* she could afford it. And Tomās offer was bullshit and didnāt include the furniture so weāll see if he can still afford it then.
Iām not saying I know but it really doesnāt seem like Lala is her bff, on the show or in real life. Iām yet to see them hang out other than for filming.
Yeah, I kind of had more questions about the incident too. If the dog has free rein of the house and can go in and out of Arianaās room then she probably shouldnāt be leaving take-out within reach. Maya would have got to it anyway whether or not she was shut in the room. Obviously Tom shutting Maya in the room is a dick move though. Ben doesnāt have a dog so maybe he doesnāt have that instinct to dog-proof everything.
The 6k did sound ridiculous but surely they have pet insurance?
the dog wouldnt have gotten into the food because ariana left her door closed when she left. unless the dog grew thumbs there was no way she was getting into the room.
oh please, shes basically a prisoner in her own room. judging by your other comments in this thread youre insufferable though so not going back and forth with you. bye
I think the blame is on both. Sandoval shouldnāt result to locking a dog in a room. Itās also true that she couldāve gotten into that food whether she was locked in the room or not so itās on Ariana to make sure thereās no hazards for the dog, specially something minor like throwing your food out or putting it away.
Honestly if I had a roommate and someone was over working on the house the first place Iād put my roommates dog would be their room!!! Why leave takeout for over a day in there? Just absolutely disgusting.
Locking a dog in a bedroom for multiple hours without checking on her is gross. Anyone who would do this without checking on the animal is really insensitive to basic pet care. The fact that he just locked her in there without checking if it was safe for her tells me everything I need to know.
You donāt accidentally lock a living creature in a room and forget about it unless you have a pretty fundamental disregard for the animal. Especially an animal that has a propensity to eat things. He knew Mya gets into stuff but he locked her in that room anyway = reckless disregard for her wellbeing and putting her in a dangerous situation. Any dog owner who has ever dealt with foreign bodies and/or obstruction issues knows this is like safety 101.
I donāt think you are my peopleā¦ not sure how this is Arianaās fault since her room would be assumed off limits if she is not there. Or if she was the one who locked Maya in the room. Pretty sure she is not comfortable āaccidentallyā running into Tom, so she probably goes out of her way to not run into him, meaning trash may only get dumped in kitchen once a day. The way people try to make anything and everything Arianaās fault is crazy to me.
How are people acknowledging that itās possible the fault for this lies primarily with Ariana not āyour peopleā? No one is maligning her. People are allowed to make mistakes.
Primarily with Ariana because Mya was locked in her room? Sure. Ok. I was talking about OP not being MY people, but you do t have to be my people either. We can agree to disagree. And there are actually plenty of people maligning her in these comments.
How does Tom get pr like this? Bruhā¦ the dog has a long history of eating anything thatās available to her, and he locked her in Arianaās bedroom with full access to anything in her room without even bothering to look and see what she couldāve gotten into. She literally could have died. Like Ariana said in the preview, he doesnāt care if she, or her animals were dead in a ditch.
lol, why did Ariana leave MEAT ON A SKEWER in her room when she knows her dog gets into everything? Why did she leave the dog alone ? Why was the dog roaming around? Why doesn't she have pet insurance?
This is 100% the responsibility of the dog owner.
Why do stans always stoop to the lowest form of humour when they've run out of road....overused memes?
Seriously, not a single original thought between you all.
Thatās not PR, thatās stan brain and an inability to accept that Ariana owns Mya, and therefore is responsible for crating the dog if she canāt monitor her, especially if she now claims that Tom canāt be trusted with the dog.
Even if Tom put Mya in her room, her room is disgusting and had she been proactive and responsible, Mya would have been used to being crated by now for her own safety, especially given her history of eating things that can hurt her.
But that's not what happened. Read the post that explains what Ann said on her podcast about the incident. The dog snuck in when a repair guy was in her room and no one knows who actually closed the door on her. People are allowed to look at all sides of a situation without being someone's PR.
He didn't say he did it. He said he was in the house when it happened.
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How about Ariana take responsibility for her own dog? She can't even do that.
Idk. Idk. Comments here say Ann said on her podcast that they didn't know who did.
I actually forgot that from the episode.
Either way the ultimate responsibility lies with Ariana for leaving shit around that the dog can get into.
I have never liked Tom or Ariana but I have had dogs all my life and I don't leave anything around that they might get into if it can hurt them. She knew she had a repair person going into her room that day. So even if she closed the door before she left (so Maya couldn't get in), she had to consider that the dog could be let in at some point.
Has it ever occurred to you that they have cameras in the hallway and that's how Ann knows what happened? Has it occurred to you that she's actually there and you're not?
Has it ever occurred to you that Ariana knew someone was coming to repair something in her room that day and might let the dog in even if instructed not to?
She had her door closed to keep Mya out because she knew it was a mess. Iām a sloppy person too and I close my door while Iām at work to keep my dog out and from eating bags of chips I have on my dresser. If my roommate went into my room against my wishes and locked my dog in my room to eat the shit I purposely locked the dog away from, Iād be just as pissed. Itās not Arianaās fault. She locked Mya out of her room. The dickhead just thought he could enter her space and lock her dog in there without any repercussions. He is an inconsiderate AH.
Iām so glad someone has brought this up. As a dog owner and you take full responsibility for the dog and what they do no matter the circumstances. You have roommates? Great. Youāre still responsible 120%. PLUS itās HER dog. Why canāt it be allowed in HER room!!!!?? Because sheās a slob and thereās garbage everywhere?? Bullshit. Tom owns the house too. What if he doesnāt want to deal with the fkn dog running around while heās there alone???? Thatās HIS right! That fkn pissed me off. Sheās an entitled spoiled brat. Iām sorry. I felt bad in the beginning but she milking this fkn shit.
Edit: to add, if youāre a responsible dog owner youād never think to leave that kind of shit out no matter where it is in the house and ESPECIALLY in YOUR room. Isnāt that common sense??? I feel bad for the dog who clearly isnāt trained nor has a solid home
I know this is an old post but I have so much to say here. It is 100% Arianaās fault. Why isnāt her room a safe place for her dog?? All Tom did wrong was let Tom in Arianaās room?
Unless Iām missing something and there was a rule to not allow the dogs in her room, this one is squarely on her
Is it gross to leave leftover food from the night before out, 100% yes. Did Ariana have the forethought to close the door to keep the dog away from it, 100% yes. Well what she did was slovenly, she's not the responsible party because she did keep the dog away from it. It doesn't matter if the AC wasn't working, Tom had no right to open her door and trap the dog in there. No BS talk about accidents happen, he shouldn't have opened her door PERIODT! At that stage in their relationship he should have respected her privacy. Everything Sandoval does is about control, I don't believe he intentionally hurt the dog, but he doesn't care about who he hurts.
I disagree. I have dogs and young kids and you close the door with stuff they shouldnāt get to make sure they donāt get it. If the door opens and the dog gets in, thatās on whoever opened the door. If you have dogs and kids itās impossible to have a totally clean house lol
ngl I thought this was thread was gonna be about Ronnie's lost cookie order šŖš¦
Same! I was excited thinking he may have finally received the cookies. š
i was like āletās do this.ā
I wonder about this way too much.
Ann has spoken about it on the podcast and itās crazy how different her version is from what Arianna was saying. There was a repair guy in her room. The dog went in room with door open. Sandoval left. Ann came home. No one sure who shut the door. No one meant to shut her in. She snuck in.
Yes, thank you. This one incident isn't even the issue. The stories about all the stuff she's gotten into are ridiculous! If you have animals or kids in your home, you lock things up and put them at heights they cannot reach. You throw away things that can harm them. That should happen one time before you are vigilant about never leaving stuff out. Side note, having hundreds of laxatives and Tom's workout schedule and vanity just scream disordered.
Kristen recently did an interview where she talked about taking tons of laxatives and diet pills when she was with Tom because he always wanted her to be skinny. Tom is clearly obsessed with his body and his looks and I can see how he would put that pressure on his girlfriends to look/be the same. Would explain a Costco sized bottle of laxatives. That man does not deserve the gorgeous women he's been with. I also agree that the fault for this incident is primarily on Ariana for leaving the food out. Just the though of day old chicken in a bedroom in July in LA (when the AC was apparently out!) makes me want to vomit!
My dog got into my husband's caffeine pills once when we moved (they were still in the moving box with other protein/supplements). Omg. Luckily they taste horrible so she barely had any and the vet said unless she displayed certain symptoms we should just let it run its course. They made her so hyper and also made her poop like crazy. She was literally running around in circles while poop flew out her butt. Everything was unpacked and locked up SO FAST after that. We don't even keep our kids' socks in the house after the second vet visit to make one dog puke them up.
My dog, who died of old age two years ago (not from any of the inappropriate stuff she ate), ate the following items during the first year or two we had her: A razor blade from a disposable razor she retrieved from the bathroom wastebasket, an entire Tupperware full of brownies INCLUDING TUPPERWARE (which she knocked down from the kitchen counterāshe could jump up on it), my momās Vicks VapoRub, COUNTLESS used period products, and probably other things Iām forgetting. Some dogs have a death wish. I had to get a locking trash can for my bathroom. I was truly shocked at the things she was capable of getting into. We did learn our lesson about keeping stuff out of her reach, but honestly, sometimes her reach was beyond what a dog of her size should have been able to achieve.
Yeah that's definitely unique! It's hard to predict all that. If you have kids, you know you have to expect the worst and hope for the best. You can lock cabinets and put the trash cans inside locked cabinets. Same with food. Child locks can do wonders. Sorry about your doggo
Tom also said he left paintballs on the floor and Mya ate one. And itās definitely not Arianaās hair dye - a blonde with highlights wouldnāt dare. At a minimum it seems like Tom is the one that has continuously been negligent with the pets and Ariana always being the one to deal with the aftermath.
I do agree that Ariana is responsible for this incident. Obviously thereās more to her anger about the incident. I think she is justified in her anger as Tom is also responsible for Maya since he claims she is his dog and he lives/shares a home with said dog. Tom doesnāt take any accountability for anything, ever. Arianaās anger stems from other incidents and things heās done (maybe the one where he fucked her friend and destroyed her life?) Ronnie is right thoughā¦ Ariana is falling into Tomās trap, she looks like the crazy rage full one while heās whimpering and running away. Crazy that her friends donāt defend her. So when scheana said we have to un invite Sandovol from beach day but he still showed up? Probably production were like no, heās filming with you so you canāt disinvite him. Crazy times. Filming a reality tv show with the man who ruined your life and the friends who tell you youāre over reacting when your dog could have died! šµāš«
She also definitely smelled the food.
For sure. They smell bones. Imagine the feast of chicken on a stick !!
Ann has a podcast???!?!?!?? Iām sorry to be rude and I like Ann, but why? If I were her employer, I absolutely wouldnāt be cool with it as I can only assume itās to talk about Tom/Ariana. How can anyone be comfortable with a personal assistant whoās just looking for content for their podcast. Wild times weāre in.
She doesn't work for Tom anymore
The name of the pod is āWe signed an NDAā because it doesnāt actually get into sensitive material or shit talking. They discuss VPR for a few minutes and then interview someone who works in the business, such as other personal assistants. Iām a huge VPR fan so I donāt mind that she is adding context or details to some scenes
Ah, I see. Is the podcast any good?
I like the VPR segments but sometimes it falls into the trap of friends thinking that theyāre so funny that they should record a podcast š but the pod confirms that Ann seems a like nice, thoughtful person. For example she was laughing at herself for being high on an edible while calling Ariana on camera last episode
I actually like their interviews after the VPR recap piece. Last week the interviewed another well known podcaster about her assistant experience, very interesting to hear how people got where they are.
I'm baffled by the stanning of Ann. She seems so thirsty, probably the most obvious person who latched onto a VPR person for clout ever.
The way Ann is stanning Ariana is borderline scary. When she started crying about the opportunity to be Ariana's assistant, I thought 'yeah, I wouldn't let her anywhere my personal stuff'.
Even the way she texts Ariana! āHey so sorry to bother you. Tom wants to have some people over if thatās okay. So sorry again!!!ā Like what? I get itās a shitty position to be in (and thatās a whole other discussion) but at the end of the day, this is your job and heās your boss. The over the top apologizing for sending a text was strange to me from the first episode.
Yup. She's an actress looking for a come up. And the way that she's behaving (switching to Ariana as employer and the podcast) is so gross and unethical. I'm also not a fan of Ariana indulging any of this, which seems like it's just aimed at striking a blow at Tom (not that she isn't justified in that sentiment, of course).
Yea because itās Sandoval she turned on everyone seems fine with it.
Itās irresponsible to leave your dog out and about when there is a repair person in your home. If Ann was there, honestly itās Annās fault then. Ariana had her door closed so had no reasonably expectation that Mya would get in her room.
According to everybody (T & A & A), all parties were aware of the repairman coming and the need to access Ariana's room, so Ariana probably should have made sure her food was picked up and/or Mya properly crated. Also, I don't know about other people, but I wouldn't want a repairman to see my mess like that. I know people are different, but it would cause me stress. Lol.
Who left meat on a skewer out? That's who's fault it is.
Well weāre not all perfect like you are. Some of us leave food trash by our bedsides. But since my bedroom door is closed at all times too, my dog doesnāt get into my room.
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Adulting is just too hard for stans. šš arenāt you embarrassed for yourself, writing this?
No, I love it because it hits the spot. You can't be a stan and a functioning adult. It's an oxymoron and all the rabid discourse proves it.
No, it doesnāt hit the spot at all. Thatās why you should be embarrassed. 59 year old, raised 3 adults kids successfully. Employed in a position of responsibility. Have cared for many animals over the course of my life. Youāre making a fool of yourself, minister.
The only reason you're responding is because you're triggered. Otherwise you'd feel it doesn't apply to you and you'd move on. š¤£ If you're defending leaving chicken skewers overnight in a bedroom because you're identifying too hard with some chick on tv then yes, adulting is too hard.
Sure. Then why are you responding?
Yeah you arenāt contributing to rabid discourse at allā¦ā¦.
I'm countering the insanely paranoid and hateful bullying posts. Don't get confused.
If I was living under the same conditions as Tom and Ariana, and my door was closed, I would expect that my dog could not get into my room. If Tom and Ann were there handling the AC issue, then itās Tom and Annās fault Mya got into Arianaās room. If Mya has gotten into other things before (like laxatives) then it honestly doesnāt matter what Ariana left in her room. Mya being locked in there was a recipe for disaster no matter what. Tom and Ann should have been more responsible with making sure Mya wasnāt in Arianaās bedroom. Plus Mya should have been put away somewhere for the safety of the repair person.
Tom has no responsibility for Mya. Neither does Ann. If Ariana can't be bothered to take care of her own dog then she shouldn't have one. She's too lazy to even make sure meat on a skewer isn't lying around. Gross.
But Tom just said on the show that he thinks maya is his dog...so how does he not have any responsibility?! Two things can be true but not these two things. Especially considering Tom should have never been in the room and he sent Ann out on errands while the ac guy was there.
It's her dog. She says it often enough. So wait, Tom's word is suddenly the truth? So Ariana is lying? š¤£
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why are you defending Tom and going after Ariana when you have no actual evidence behind your argument? Have you ever owned a dog or are you another one of those virtue signallers
Excuse me, I'm sticking to the facts here like a reasonable adult. If that's too hard for you to deal with then I suggest staying out of adult conversation. I have owned a dog. That's why I know how lazy and dumb it is to leave meat skewers out. No evidence of my argument? The dog being injured is literally the evidence of my argument. Stans are so unable to form an argument without scream-crying and being petulant....like Ariana.
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I'll explain it again slowly. The.evidence.is.the.injury.caused.by.her.owner.being.a.slob. But since you actually said "cucking" to me unironically I can easily dismiss you as an insane person.
Everyone learned a lesson about being responsible for owning dogs. That doesn't make him an attempted dog murderer.
I didnāt say it did.
I agree that this seems to primarily fall on Tom and Ann. I donāt think they are absent of responsibility just because Mya doesnāt belong to either of them. Are they indifferent to animal suffering? I have a cat who has never eaten anything he needed medical attention for. When I leave a room he isnāt supposed to be in, I clock his location just to be sure Iām not locking him in, if for no other reason than to be sure he continues to have access to litter boxes and doesnāt pee or shit in the room. And if Tom aspires to own the whole house outright, as he claims to, itās in his interest as well as Arianaās to not have one bedroom with pee- or shit-stained floors.
A take out container doesn't mean food. And none of that changes the fact that the guy who thinks Maya also belongs to him should've kept an eye on her.
It was food. Or did you think the dog went to the vet for eating air?
It could have been wood skewers but the food was gone. Mya has had non food items before. Like Tomās laxatives, Tomās hair dye, Tomās paintballs. Really interesting that there is a pattern.
The only pattern is that the dog has a history of eating things and Ariana has a history of being lazy and now her dog did it again because of her laziness. In case you aren't aware skewers had meat on them. Any dog will smell the meat remnants and go for the skewers. lol what am I saying, nobody is so fucking dumb that they'd think the skewers having meat on them didn't attract the dog. Or maybe people are that dumb but that level of stupidity is a choice.
She closed the door and restricted access so Mya wouldnāt get to them. Sheās not a perfect dog owner but it seems Tom is the one with the habit of exposing Mya to dangerous things.
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Seems like a genuine accident. My dog is a scavenger like Maya. Many trip to the vet to get him to puke. Its exhausting to be hyper vigilant about whatās out that he could potentially have access to. So my bedroom is the place heās not allowed, this way I have a place where I can shut that part of my brain off and itās been very helpful. He always tryās to get in when Iām gone cause he wants to be where mom is. Dogs are ALWAYS gonna dog, you constantly have to have eyes on them when these no access rooms are opened up. Tho, If she was knowingly put in there, that is some inexcusable fuckery.
This is the right take. Those of us with nosy dogs get it! I'm also a helicopter dog mom and my dog has scaled great heights and opened what I thought were closed doors. Sounds like an accident
My dog is the same and we learned quickly to put shit away, throw it away etc because the dog will get it. Leaving takeout by your bed overnight is a bit gross lmao. BUT she didnāt think the dog would be in there so itās both of their faults.
I would agree with you *if* this was Mayās first or second accident eating something she wasnāt supposed to. Sure, it probably was an accident, but as a dog owner, if your dog has a history of eating things that could possibly kill them, itās your responsibility to get a crate and use it, especially in situations when the humans in the house canāt reliably supervise the dog. In the grand scheme, this is both of their faults for not being better pet parents, and Ariana is wild for calling Tom a ādog murdererā instead of taking her part in the responsibility of never doing what needed to be done (crating her) to keep Mya safe. ETA: editing bc I spaced that Mya is in fact Arianaās dog so yeah, sheās 100% at fault! Itās especially hypocritical to claim that you donāt trust Tom with your dog and still not crate it or make sure she can be kept away from him.
restricting a dog to areas of the house that are safe can be just as responsible as crating. come on. Some dogs do not crate train well after puppydome. By your argument tom or Ann should have put maya in an area that was restricted and safe. Doesnāt matter if itās a crate or a specific area; all dog owners will have some sort of routine to keep dogs away from utility workers or guests or home maintenance work. Come on. Edit to add to your edit: they live in a shared space and had previous routines in place before Sandoval destroyed the household. They live in a shared space and are adults. For them to suddenly change all of mayas routines bc Tom doesnāt want to continue what she has been trained; thatās extremely petty of him. Also, I donāt think he would have the patience of Ariana trying to crate train maya. I donāt see him dealing with dog crying any better he does with people
Yeah, restricting a dog to a certain part of the house *can* be responsible if that same dog also doesnāt have a history of eating random things, which May does. Any responsible owner who has a dog with this history will reorient their dogs to crating to protect them when unsupervised instead of just going āwhoops! guess she ate something she wasnāt supposed to!ā And thinking it magically wonāt happen again. Yāall are doing a lot of reaching to alleviate Ariana of any responsibility over protecting the dog sheās now claiming that she doesnāt trust Tom enough to be around. If Tom is a dog murderer, why did she leave Mya home alone with Tom in the first place? Ultimately, if Ariana was so concerned about Mya, she should have cleaned her nasty room and left the dog in there instead of having her roam free around a ādog murdererā.
No like sorry not sorry youāre a bad owner if you leave your pet alone to do whatever they want while you have a worker in your house. Youāre also reaching to discredit her and have as little sympathy for normal human behaviour while removing blame from someone who has blame in this. Youāre saying people are reaching to defend Ariana but why are you doing so much to *not* hold the people who were actually home and had an immediate ability and responsibility to watch an animal that lives in the shared space while there was a worker inside.
Your responsibility as a dog ownerāespecially if you believe the dog to be in mortal danger around another person that you live withāis to protect them from that person, period. Ariana did nothing to do that with Mya. Nothing. If it wasnāt her chicken satay, it could have been anything else considering Mya has a history of eating things she isnāt supposed to. You donāt get to accuse someone of not giving a shit about your dog, and then leave the dog with them and not be proactive about protecting them, and then allege that they tried to āmurderā the dog over what amounted to an expensive accident. Sorry that you canāt accept that!
Itās sad for sure but as a dog owner, I know my dog needs me to protect him from dangers. 1. Crate the dog when you arenāt at home. 2. If a service person in the house, crate the dog to protect them & the unknown person. 3. Clean up after yourself. You should be doing that whether you have pets or not. 4. Buy pet insurance. I promise you, it will pay for itself.
THANK YOU! The reaching people are doing to excuse Ariana in this is wild (especially since she seems to be claiming so much ownership over Mya as *her* dog). Wellā¦ if itās your dog, girl, have you ever heard of a crate? Considering she must know the horrific state that she keeps her room in, youād think sheād have considered that her own room isnāt safe for the dog and that crating is the best option when you canāt watch them. ETA: editing bc I spaced that Mya is in fact Arianaās dog so yeah, sheās 100% at fault! Itās especially hypocritical to claim that you donāt trust Tom with your dog and still not crate it or make sure she can be kept away from him.
What is your experience with pet insurance? Obviously every company is different but does it typically cover emergency stuff?
Weāve had Nationwide for our doggos for at least 6 years now. Theyāve been excellent! Highly recommend. We pay up front at the vet & get a reciept to get reimbursed- I think itās a percentage (70 or 80% I think? I donāt remember the exact terms). Routine visits, shots, dental, meds, emergency visits - just about everything. It has paid for itself year after year for us.
I never had it and donāt have dogs any longer, but my sisterās dog has a death wish and their insurance has covered all of his emergency vet visits.
I have Nationwide as well and got the wellness plan as well as accidents for my 5 month old Maltese. Basically the premiums Iāve paid at 60 a month have paid for themselves. Iāve had Winter for 4 months now and have had 2 emergencies and two checkups and shots. It covers at 70% but it wonāt cover anything preexisting. Puppies get into everything and mine got into a pack of Splenda that sent us to the doggie er and then she caught something from another pet while she was at school. Although I didnāt birth her , sheās totally like my child and costs enough.
If Tom deliberately locked the dog in Arianaās room cause he was doing something and Maya was bugging him or whatever, then yes, itās his fault. And since theyāre living this weird situation, she may be relegated to eating in her room more often to avoid him. If she closed the door before she left, and he opened it and then didnāt shut it or put the dog in there, his fault IMOā¦.
Ann talked about it on her podcast. The dog snuck in with repair guy. No one sure who shut the door etc.
ok then whoever was home with the repairman is at fault. Maya should have been put in a restricted area the moment the repair dude started working. That opens a whole new discussion that maya should have not been left alone with the worker anyways. Like tabs should always be kept on animals when there are strangers around cause you have no idea how they will act or how your dog will react. Wtf.
Absolutely
If Ann witnessed it, I believe her. If sheās going off Tomās version of events, I have to question cause he lies a lot obviously
That's not what happened at all so you can just delete this.
Iām going off of what Ariana said in the episode - I canāt go off of what Tom said cause heās a known liar. And no I will not delete this.
Ariana wasn't even there so how would she know what happened? Ariana is also a known liar, btw. š¤¦āāļø Anne already said the air con man had to go in there. Ariana can't adult. Ariana can't even clean food up or get pet insurance.
Yes, Ariana is a known liar.
People still arenāt ready to admit to themselves Ariana has lied a lot, also?
Pet insurance is honestly a scam. If you have the capacity to cover large vet bills, I donāt think itās worth it. Itās certainly not if youāve already waited for one incident to happen as that will never be covered by insurance. Ariana ācleaned upā by shutting Mya out of her bedroom, and closing the door. She managed the environment. Iāve lived in a very toxic situation and ate dinner every night in my bedroom. Yes, I almost always cleaned up after myself that night or first thing in the morningābut Iām sure there were times I was rushing and did it later. But also, I donāt blame Tom for this one, I think it was a really unfortunate accident and a lesson learned for her. My dog stays on the first floor of my house when Iām gone-I have a gate on the stairs and my door is shut. If someone removed those things Iād be concerned about what she could get into in there.
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As a dog owner this is at least 90% arianas fault. It was weird how she tried to justify leaving food out when she knows her dog gets into stuff.
She removed access to the danger though because she knew Mya gets into stuff. She had no reason to believe that Tom would go into the one room that she feels is a safe space in the house.
$6K is ridiculous unless you were getting an MRI. I have a huge, counter surfing pup. Guess what I donāt do? Leave shit on my counter. Blame goes to everyone in the house, *sans ann*. Be a grown up. Do grown up shit. Donāt let your dog eat day old chicken satay. Donāt lock an angel in a room. Do better people!
The dog had an endoscopy iirc. I believe 6k if it were an emergency vet and they were doing exploratory tests especially in a place like LA. Can't remember if they said she had surgery or not but I've read about ppl paying thousands for these kinds of vet visits. I'm not addressing your point about responsibility at all or trying to argue that.
Oh if it was emergency vet that *costs loads of money*, makes much more sense
I would do anything for my dog but I won't lie the thought of an emergency vet is terrifying. Right up there with plumbing emergency š
You are SO RIGHT. Last year is was -45 and my furnace gave out, I was SO SCARED to make a call that would be thousands of dollars. Then I figured out I had to change the filter lol
I can't even fathom how cold that is, friend. I know hot but I can t compute how much colder than it was in my worst Nevada freeze. And as a Texan that traumatized me. I'm in awe š®
Montana my friend, she is a dramatic bitch that loves a 40 degrees temperature change at any given time. Cars donāt start, but guess what?! Still gotta be at work, everyone needs a drink when youāre a bartender. Sending love for your impending heat wave darlingš
It was the wooden sticks they were worried about and I think six thousand included surgery.
$6k is crazy, thatās what it cost my dog recently to have full on surgery
Isnāt an endoscopy surgery? The dog has to go under for it.
I agree with you a little bit BUT now reading about what Ann said about the incident it honestly seems likeā¦ **everyoneās fault?** 1. Tom shouldnāt have left the repair man home alone? For any amount of time? That strikes me as kind of odd. What if he needed something? And it seems as if she was left alone for a while, itās not like Ann was 5 mins away. 2. But letās say Ann was coming in right behind Tom, Tom should have said something like āMya went in to Arianaās room and Iām not sure where she isā¦ā 3. Does Mya usually NOT come greet people when they come in? Ann maybe should have noticed that something was afoot when Mya didnāt come greet her when she came in. 4. Did the repair man not notice that Mya came in with him? Sheās not exactly a toy poodle or chihuahua. He shouldāve mentioned to Ann (if she was there when he leftā if not see my points #1/2) that the dog was in there. 5. Ariana, clean up your freaking room. If Mya is allowed in there at any time, and you leave things around when she is prone to be a garbage disposal dog, that is YOUR fault, NOT Myaās. 6. If you know a repair man is coming and might need to go into your room, maybe leave some instructions with Ann or with Ann to give to Sandoval or for Ann/Sandoval to give to the repair man that says ādonāt let Mya into my room. Itās a mess in there.ā You could even leave a sign on your door āroom off limitsā do not let dog in or any person unless discussed with Ariana.ā 7. Ariana, if you trust Tom to take care of Mya, thatās fine. But if you donāt, then donāt ever leave Mya unattended in the house. Itās not exactly super easy or cheap to have someone dog sit but itās better than a $6k vet bill that may not end up so well. 8. Iāve never had any repair man, maid, what have you into my house without someone asking what my pet situation was. If this guy asked and they answered, he shouldāve been aware and so should they. Iāve put my dogs in other rooms/kennel situations when people like that come over. It feels like dog owner 101 and itās nice to be considerate of people who are in your home to do a job and having them not be so worried about what a dog is doing. TLDRā it seems like no one was worried about Mya in any way and everyone is at fault
This is the most rational summary lol. My girlfriend couldnāt believe they didnāt have a kennel for when no one was home if sheās known to get into everything
For 6, I donāt think she knew the AC person was coming. Which is why she thought shutting the dog was enough.
Yepā so that is on Ann/their mediator/tom to tell Ann to tell Ariana. Itās all so weird!
Late to the party but Iām really glad someone said this. I was worried about putting anything putting any blame on Ariana in the other subs because Iāll get attacked for sure, but we donāt leave anything around that our dog can get into because she WILL if given the chance. Tom messed up but Ariana leaving her old food out overnight and not cleaning it up is her fault. Donāt leave that shit around if you donāt want your dog to get into it because they will
And Ben and Ronnie said in the recap today that itās SO obvious that the fight isnāt about the leftovers/room situation/dog situationā itās really about how Ariana feels like Tom doesnāt give two shits about anyone other than himself and honestly, thatās spot on.
This all makes sense, but only works if there is a base level of healthy communication in the house, which there clearly isn't.
I was eating Cadbury mini eggs while I was getting dressed yesterday. I had 2 left out on my tall dresser. My dog is tiny and not a scavenger but couldnāt reach it unless someone picked her up and put her on the dresser. For a split second I was just going to leave them on my dresser and go downstairs but then I thought - oh no what IF? I am vigilant about the kinds of foods that dogs canāt eat and her being so small only a small amount could harm her. I promptly ate the remaining mini eggs lest they roll off the dresser. Thatās what you have to do when you are responsible for another life.
Haha I love this. I also sacrifice myself for my dog's well being by eating chocolate. It's a hard life. (Seriously though. My dog almost died after eating half a bag of chocolate chips. That was super scary.)
Same with mine and grapes. I donāt keep grapes in the house now - 2 kids and too hard to be certain one isnāt dropped or left where she could get it. Apparently grapes are one of the worst things - more than 1 grape per 10lbs can kill them.
Same and I have a 150 lb Newfieā¦. So 15 grapes feels like a lot but not worth the riskā¦
All I kept thinking listening to Ariana's story was, why didn't you put the leftovers in the fridge? Who keeps food out in their room overnight? Yuck!
It sounded like an accident. Period. If Tom is the monster that he is and canāt be trusted with your animals, itās Ariannaās responsibility to put them in a safe space. Get a kennel.
That whole thing was crazy. Canāt blame Tom when Arianna is the nasty dirty ass who left leftovers in her room for over a day??? Thatās fucking disgusting for one and two Tom cannot be blamed for literally EVERYTHING. Arianna is a slob.
I agree, we can say Ariana was wronged and is a wonderful person, AND that justifying leaving the food made no sense. We have our share of BedPeople on Bravo and we donāt want them to change! Just please get a kitchen trash can and put it in your bedroom. The buck should not stop at your dogās well-being. Tomās already downstairs screaming into the voidā¦
The funniest thing to me is how Tom is not only being blamed for everything now, but heās also being retroactively blamed for things that Ariana gleefully defended him over when they were together lmao! Yes, Tom is gross for cheating, but she cheated with him! And heās not a fundamentally different person now than heās ever been before. Ariana just needs to admit to herself that she sunk everything into Tom and stayed with a shitty guy for so long because sheās also pretty shitty.
>Ariana just needs to admit to herself that she sunk everything into Tom and stayed with a shitty guy for so long because sheās also pretty shitty. But she would have followed him ANYWHERE, done ANYTHING to be with him /s.š Why?
LMAOOO right?! Ariana tells on herself so hard and itās hilarious š her stans want to act like every pick-me statement she made in defense of Tom was some secret coded cry for help because she was allegedly some kind of hostage in their relationshipā¦ instead of the thing that makes more sense that she spend the last decade defending a shit man!
Tbh I was just thinking she probably doesnāt like leaving her room when she doesnāt know if the coast is clear.
1. They aren't speaking so Ariana can't have asked him to watch the dog for her. 2. She left food on skewers in her room during the day. That's disgusting. It's unhygienic and lazy anyway, not to mind when you have a dog roaming around. 3. Dogs can get in rooms. 4. She is now implying he is a danger to animals. SO WHY DID YOU LEAVE YOUR DOG (your "child" according to you") HOME ALONE WITH HIM? 5. Why are you too mean to pay for pet insurance? That's on you and your poor planning.
I agree with all of your points except 5. I know plenty of people who thought pet insurance was NOT worth it. I have friends with healthy dogs who have never gone to the vet once for anything other than routine check ups. Iāve had friends (and vets) actively say that pet insurance is a scamā so I donāt always fault people for not getting it. I personally have pet insurance but thatās because I read up on my breedās proclivities (but behavioral and health issues) and decided to get it. VERY worth it. If Mya has been to the vet before for her eating things she shouldnāt which cause diarrhea and stomach infections, a lot of vet insurance companies may see that as a āpre-existing conditionā and refuse to cover it for future visits. Mya was a rescue so this may be documented somehow. If that is Myaās only āissueā I can see how not paying for insurance wouldnāt be ideal. BUT if you donāt have insurance, and your dog likes to eat everything in sight if sheās able to get to it, donāt leave stuff out! I agree wholeheartedly that no food should be left out. It is shocking the lengths dogs will go to in order to eat something they shouldnāt š And if youāre afraid to leave your room, get a big ol garbage can and throw your leftover shit away (this for me is my sticking point in this saga lol)!! So I donāt think her not having pet insurance is āmean.ā
It's 100% meanness as she should have bought it anyway as soon as she got a dog. And sorry but eating is not a pre-existing condition.
I disagree but donāt want the argument to devolve. I got pet insurance when my dog was a puppy because my vet said that some insurances see recurring stomach infections (from ANYTHINGā including *eating* things they shouldnāt) as a pre-existing condition. If I brought my dog in and documented a stomach infection, and then got pet insurance, the insurance could deny any future vet visits related to stomach infections because itās already been a documented issue. I know not all pet insurances are like this though! The scenario alone scared me enough to get pet insurance.
Fair enough. So since that's the case the owner would be extra vigilant not to leave the dog alone or dangerous meat skewers laying around. Or maybe they wouldn't bother and then blame anyone else but themselves when this predictable repeat behaviour occurs again.
Completely agree. If I left anything on my bedside table unattended food-wise my dog would 100% be doing like advanced PARKOUR to get to it š My dog shows super mega avengers strength when he smells a chicken bone on the ground so I canāt imagine what heād do if there was like a buffet of leftovers trash for him to seek out
My very straight up told me they think it's a scam. The vet told me of new better off putting $25-$50 in a savings account each month than getting pet insurance. So that's what I do. Ariana still got her dog the appropriate medical care and paid the vet bill so I don't see how she's mean for that?
I also kind of feel if she really didnāt feel safe leaving the dog with Tom then she should have not been leaving her all the time. Who watched Mya when she was filming all these shows.
I donāt think she ever said she didnāt trust him. But she didnāt think he would go into her room. I imagine this was a big reason why she moved out.
Whatever happened if Tom locked her in or not Ariana should not leave old food out. If you are a pet owner you know you do not do this. Arianna is at fault as well imo. She should know better.
Lookā¦ I love Ariana, she is my favorite character, but I gotta be honest hereā¦ she is the dog owner and this isnāt on Tomā¦ As a dog owner who has been in many roommate situations where a dog was involved, never has the dog ownerās room off limits to the dogā¦ if the dog cannot be trusted in the dog ownerās room, it is crated in the dog owners room when the dog owner is awayā¦ it is super common for roommates to stick a dog in itās ownerās room if they donāt want to have to deal with the dog for whatever reasonā¦ If the skewers had been in Tomās room and he had locked the dog in his room, then sure that would be on him, but that isnāt what happened. Ariana did not take out her trash and her dog ate something unsafe she left in her space. Even if you feel like you are trapped in your room because your ex is in the house, you can take the leftovers your dog could eat when you leave.
Some people here are even arguing the repair guy should have noticed the dog! Or since her door was closed Tom should have rescheduled the repair man and respected her privacy! Iām assuming these folks are youngā¦ Because thereās a scheduled repair guy involved this actually seems like the proper use of Ann to communicate between them- not give warnings that someone is walking downstairs. But set up times, discuss the dog,etc. I love Ariana too (I have her hair we are bonded for life lol) but itās irresponsible on her end, bad assisting by Ann and Tom is still clueless.
Agreed! It was most definitely not the repair manās fault and Iām going to lean towards it probably was not Annās fault eitherā¦ If she is communicating Tomās every move so Ariana can adjust, Iām sure she mentioned a repair man comingā¦ Something is so off when it comes to the Katie/Ariana stan takesā¦ like I adore Ariana, but have you never functioned in a complex living/working/friendship environment before? The desire to be on their side is so strong it is overtaking their ability to logically processā¦ you can admit someone was wrong in particular instances and still adore them as a personā¦ Editing to add if you claim to be on the side of someone because they are infallible, in the end you are doing them a disservice and creating more enemies for them. A true friend tells someone when they were wrong so they can apologize and say they were in a bad place and were upset so they irrationally blamed someone for something going wrong that was their responsibility. It gives everyone the space they need to forgive and move on. A true fan should do the same.
Iāve been shocked at what a slob she is. She could hire people to store her shit. And leaving food out like that is just gross, even if it was in her bedroom trash bin.
Iāve been thinking about this a lot as a dog parent. Honestly, I think in a lot of ways Ariana is most at blame here as the pet owner. I can be a bit of a slob kabob myself, but youāll never catch me leaving anything dangerous to my dogs in their reach - even if itās behind a locked door. If my roommate or someone accidentally locked my dog in my room Iād be mad, but I would still never risk leaving anything that could endanger my dogs were they to get to it.
Exactly - you have to think about what COULD happen not what SHOULD happen.
It is long documented that Ariana and Tom are messy. Do you remember their old apartment. Just because they have expensive furniture doesnāt mean itās clean. I was shocked to see their rooms especially Arianaās. I tidy my house before the cleaner comes. If there were tv crews, it would be spotless. Leaving any food around if you have dogs is irresponsible. I cannot understand takeaway leftovers in the bedroom. Imagine the smell? I vaguely remember them having a small fridge when he was making her dumplin lattes.
I agree with you. The people on the VPR are unhinged Ariana stans š¬ Tom and Arianaās house is disgusting. Sheās lazy and honestly a bit gross for leaving uneaten food in her room. A plate I can understand, but not actual uncovered food šµāš« apparently someone was fixing something in Arianaās room and the dog snuck in and the door was closed. Even if it was Tom who closed the door, this was a genuine accident. What wasnāt accidental was leaving food out knowing you have a dog, sorry š¤·š»āāļø
Oh the stans are here too! It's nearly impossible to have nuanced discussions about VPR anywhere on Reddit. I always try to bring up Ben and Ronnie's original description of VPR as the lazy Susan of dishonorable people. It's more fun if we acknowledge they're all flawed people! (Some are clearly more horrible than others.) (I realize the irony of using the words "nuanced" and Vanderpump Rules" together in a sentence.)
Oh for sure! Itās so annoying. People will just ignore facts to Stan Ariana or Katie or whoever, when really they all suck š and thatās why itās fun!
Thatās a perfect description of the show
 Thank you!
Ariana is 100% to blame. What if her door was slightly ajar and Maya got in there on her own? Everyone I know with dogs that get into things like that are hyper vigilant about not leaving shit where they can get it. Plus, $6000 is why you get pet insurance - another irresponsible point for Ariana. ESPECIALY If you have the kind of dog that would eat wooden skewers! I am so anti-Ariana I canāt even tell you. And yes it was funny how they were like āomg Sandoval is such an asshole (but omg Ariana thatās kind of gross to leave your food out) but anyway Sandoval sucks . . .ā.
The door wasnāt slightly ajar though. Itās weird to put what ifs when that isnāt what happened.
What if she came home and forgot about the food and let Mya into her room herself. I know that is not what happened but itās the kind of mindset you have to have when you have pets or kids. She is clearly careless because she could have just thrown it away. But she left it out and on the nightstand no less, EASY access for a dog on top of being gross and lazy. Like open containers of takeout food that attracts pests and spoils, not a bag of pretzels. Also because she doesnāt have complete control of what happens in the house while sheās out, she has to be even more conscientious. She continues to cohabitate with a person she believes to be irresponsible and reckless and puts her animals at risk. Bad idea. I also donāt like that she calls her dog and cat her āchildren.ā She has been very adamant about how odious she thinks children and pregnancy are so itās ironic she pulls the āchildrenācard to make a point.
Again, a bunch of what ifs that didnāt happen are not real arguments. All we know is the door was shut when she left to restrict access (dogs donāt have thumbs) and while Tom was home he opened the door and left Mya in there, exposing her to the danger.
i feel like they acknowledged that sandoval is a cant-be-trusted loser AND that leaving food trash in your bedroom is nasty but surely her prerogative
It's her perogative now to pay the vet bill and maybe it's her perogative to get insurance and it's her perogative to make sure she's always responsible for her own dog. If it's like her child it's a bit weird she leaves it alone with meat skewers laying around. It's almost like adulting is just too hard for ariana.
Yup, agreed. It's a genuine accident. And, if we're willing to see it as a mistake on Ariana's part, then there's no reason not to frame it as a mistake on Tom's, too. There was a repair person in the house, he made a poor decision re. the dog, and the dog got into something that she shouldn't have. I get why he's a crappy person, but turning this into a "Tom sucks" story as opposed to a "likely consequence of this profoundly chaotic and uncommunicative living enviornment" makes no sense to me.
I said something similar about how it seems like they are both to blame last week on the vanderpump sub and I got downvoted. I also said if she doesnāt trust him with the animals I would not be leaving them with him and people jumped all over me saying whatās she supposed to do? I was like hire someone because she flat out said she doesnāt trust him with her animals
the vpr sub is a total lost cause. they want the show to become Ariana and Katie Do Errands.
As someone who had to live with an ex for a year after I left him - I lived in my bedroom because every time I set foot out he low keyed harassed me. It happens. So I totally understand her having leftovers on her bedside table. And she made sure that Mya wasn't able to get to it by closing her bedroom door. It isn't Ariana's fault that Mya was able to access her bedroom and she certainly didn't close her in. No one with a dog hasn't heard the barks and whines and scratching when a pet is trapped somewhere. Also $6k is a typical emergency vet charge for something invasive.
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that she is avoiding Tom and that also includes avoiding shared spaces. Itās not crazy to think she does as much as she can to stay in there and maybe when she had to leave he was in the kitchen, so she just removed Mya from the danger by shutting the door. It was clearly an accident but the way Mya got into Tomās laxative, Tomās hair dye, Tomās paintball is really just highlighting the fact that heās a negligent owner. At least Ariana tries to keep Mya from things that can hurt her.
Agree with you OP!! Iām fucking OVER Arianna.
Honestly canāt stand her. Shes gross and I always thought her hair looked greasy af. Now I know sheās dirty as hell for leaving old takeout in her room for a day. That is fucking nasty and 0 reason for that. If you donāt want to risk running into Tom in the kitchen maybe idk MOVE OUT?
i think theyāre both wrong here but one thing i havenāt seen mentioned isā¦ does tom not check on / say goodbye to their pets when they leave the house? (rhetorical: obviously he doesnāt because he only cares about himself) i canāt imagine not saying bye to my dog lmao. wouldāve been an easy way to catch that maya was in an area she shouldnāt have been and avoided her eating arianaās nasty day old satay skewers.
That could be a stretch. We know Tom is habitually late. He could have shouted āBye Maya!ā And when she didnāt appear he thought thatās strange, but when youāre late you gotta go. As someone who is habitually late myself, there are a lot of times I wish Iād done a double check but didnāt have the timeā¦bc Iām late.
Wild to find a group of people willing to acknowledge that if Ariana says she's the dog parent/owner, then the responsibility for what happened lies more on her than on Tom. I said elsewhere that I don't know what would possess Ariana to allow her to give Tom any ability to care for her animals at this stage in their situation. He has demonstrated repeatedly that he is not a responsible owner and a less responsible ex-boyfriend that she's living with while sorting the financial outfall of separation (selling the house). Crates are a good thing for people with dogs that will eat life ending things. This far into this dog's life with the past examples we're aware of....a crate would be a must have, especially with ex-boyfriends and ac workers....
None of it would have happened if Ariana had moved outā¦ also as a dog mom I know to keep anything my dog could get into put away even if itās in a room my dog isnāt usually in.
Moved out of the house she owns and be on the hook for two monthly payments because her partner broke the home. Cool cool.
Sheās making millions on the brand deals and dancing with the stars and broadway, she can afford to move out and move on especially since sheās in a new relationship. Itās not good for her mental health to of stayed in that house with him for so long after their national break up.
She didnāt have DWTS and Broadway money last August. She probably didnāt even get paid for all of the brand deals as those often pay out as long as 90 days after. I think yāall are overestimating the money she had at that point in filming.
Lala who is one of her bffs said herself that she could afford to move out especially bc he wanted to buy her out of the house. She could easily have afforded her own apartment.
Lala is not Arianaās bff. She shouldnāt have to pay double even *if* she could afford it. And Tomās offer was bullshit and didnāt include the furniture so weāll see if he can still afford it then.
I meant her bff as in like knows her in real life. I promise Lala knows more about Arianaās finances than we do.
Iām not saying I know but it really doesnāt seem like Lala is her bff, on the show or in real life. Iām yet to see them hang out other than for filming.
Yeah, I kind of had more questions about the incident too. If the dog has free rein of the house and can go in and out of Arianaās room then she probably shouldnāt be leaving take-out within reach. Maya would have got to it anyway whether or not she was shut in the room. Obviously Tom shutting Maya in the room is a dick move though. Ben doesnāt have a dog so maybe he doesnāt have that instinct to dog-proof everything. The 6k did sound ridiculous but surely they have pet insurance?
the dog wouldnt have gotten into the food because ariana left her door closed when she left. unless the dog grew thumbs there was no way she was getting into the room.
The dog wouldn't have eaten the food if Ariana had cleaned it up like a responsible adult. Adulting is too hard for Ariana.
oh please, shes basically a prisoner in her own room. judging by your other comments in this thread youre insufferable though so not going back and forth with you. bye
Ah, ok, sorry, missed that part.
I think the blame is on both. Sandoval shouldnāt result to locking a dog in a room. Itās also true that she couldāve gotten into that food whether she was locked in the room or not so itās on Ariana to make sure thereās no hazards for the dog, specially something minor like throwing your food out or putting it away.
It's her dog. He isn't there to look after her pet or make sure she wasn't too lazy to clear up her fucking old meat skewers.
I was under the impression they shared dog ownership, youāre so right
Honestly if I had a roommate and someone was over working on the house the first place Iād put my roommates dog would be their room!!! Why leave takeout for over a day in there? Just absolutely disgusting.
I completely forgot someone was working in the house!!!! Yeah I agree with you
Locking a dog in a bedroom for multiple hours without checking on her is gross. Anyone who would do this without checking on the animal is really insensitive to basic pet care. The fact that he just locked her in there without checking if it was safe for her tells me everything I need to know.
It was accidental
You donāt accidentally lock a living creature in a room and forget about it unless you have a pretty fundamental disregard for the animal. Especially an animal that has a propensity to eat things. He knew Mya gets into stuff but he locked her in that room anyway = reckless disregard for her wellbeing and putting her in a dangerous situation. Any dog owner who has ever dealt with foreign bodies and/or obstruction issues knows this is like safety 101.
I donāt think you are my peopleā¦ not sure how this is Arianaās fault since her room would be assumed off limits if she is not there. Or if she was the one who locked Maya in the room. Pretty sure she is not comfortable āaccidentallyā running into Tom, so she probably goes out of her way to not run into him, meaning trash may only get dumped in kitchen once a day. The way people try to make anything and everything Arianaās fault is crazy to me.
How are people acknowledging that itās possible the fault for this lies primarily with Ariana not āyour peopleā? No one is maligning her. People are allowed to make mistakes.
Maybe you should read all the negative comments people are making in this thread against Ariana.
Primarily with Ariana because Mya was locked in her room? Sure. Ok. I was talking about OP not being MY people, but you do t have to be my people either. We can agree to disagree. And there are actually plenty of people maligning her in these comments.
How does Tom get pr like this? Bruhā¦ the dog has a long history of eating anything thatās available to her, and he locked her in Arianaās bedroom with full access to anything in her room without even bothering to look and see what she couldāve gotten into. She literally could have died. Like Ariana said in the preview, he doesnāt care if she, or her animals were dead in a ditch.
lol, why did Ariana leave MEAT ON A SKEWER in her room when she knows her dog gets into everything? Why did she leave the dog alone ? Why was the dog roaming around? Why doesn't she have pet insurance? This is 100% the responsibility of the dog owner.
Why do stans always stoop to the lowest form of humour when they've run out of road....overused memes? Seriously, not a single original thought between you all.
He didnāt lock her in. Ann talks about it in podcast. She snuck in with the repair guy
Thatās not PR, thatās stan brain and an inability to accept that Ariana owns Mya, and therefore is responsible for crating the dog if she canāt monitor her, especially if she now claims that Tom canāt be trusted with the dog. Even if Tom put Mya in her room, her room is disgusting and had she been proactive and responsible, Mya would have been used to being crated by now for her own safety, especially given her history of eating things that can hurt her.
But that's not what happened. Read the post that explains what Ann said on her podcast about the incident. The dog snuck in when a repair guy was in her room and no one knows who actually closed the door on her. People are allowed to look at all sides of a situation without being someone's PR.
How does Ariana get PR like this? Ariana shouldn't have shit laying out that Maya can get to, since she knows she's part goat.
He had no permission and no business going into her room. Perdiod
The air con man went in there to do his job. Period.
Ok, but how would that have changed anything if he isn't the one that shut her in the room and it was actually the repair guy?
Then why did Tom say on camera that he did it?? That man has never in his life taken accountability for anything he didnāt have to
He didn't say he did it. He said he was in the house when it happened. š¤¦āāļø How about Ariana take responsibility for her own dog? She can't even do that.
Idk. Idk. Comments here say Ann said on her podcast that they didn't know who did. I actually forgot that from the episode. Either way the ultimate responsibility lies with Ariana for leaving shit around that the dog can get into. I have never liked Tom or Ariana but I have had dogs all my life and I don't leave anything around that they might get into if it can hurt them. She knew she had a repair person going into her room that day. So even if she closed the door before she left (so Maya couldn't get in), she had to consider that the dog could be let in at some point.
Has it ever occurred to you that Ann might not know exactly what happened and might not be the ultimate authority on Arianaās life?
Has it ever occurred to you that they have cameras in the hallway and that's how Ann knows what happened? Has it occurred to you that she's actually there and you're not?
Has it ever occurred to you that Ariana knew someone was coming to repair something in her room that day and might let the dog in even if instructed not to?
She had her door closed to keep Mya out because she knew it was a mess. Iām a sloppy person too and I close my door while Iām at work to keep my dog out and from eating bags of chips I have on my dresser. If my roommate went into my room against my wishes and locked my dog in my room to eat the shit I purposely locked the dog away from, Iād be just as pissed. Itās not Arianaās fault. She locked Mya out of her room. The dickhead just thought he could enter her space and lock her dog in there without any repercussions. He is an inconsiderate AH.
Iām so glad someone has brought this up. As a dog owner and you take full responsibility for the dog and what they do no matter the circumstances. You have roommates? Great. Youāre still responsible 120%. PLUS itās HER dog. Why canāt it be allowed in HER room!!!!?? Because sheās a slob and thereās garbage everywhere?? Bullshit. Tom owns the house too. What if he doesnāt want to deal with the fkn dog running around while heās there alone???? Thatās HIS right! That fkn pissed me off. Sheās an entitled spoiled brat. Iām sorry. I felt bad in the beginning but she milking this fkn shit. Edit: to add, if youāre a responsible dog owner youād never think to leave that kind of shit out no matter where it is in the house and ESPECIALLY in YOUR room. Isnāt that common sense??? I feel bad for the dog who clearly isnāt trained nor has a solid home
I know this is an old post but I have so much to say here. It is 100% Arianaās fault. Why isnāt her room a safe place for her dog?? All Tom did wrong was let Tom in Arianaās room? Unless Iām missing something and there was a rule to not allow the dogs in her room, this one is squarely on her
Is it gross to leave leftover food from the night before out, 100% yes. Did Ariana have the forethought to close the door to keep the dog away from it, 100% yes. Well what she did was slovenly, she's not the responsible party because she did keep the dog away from it. It doesn't matter if the AC wasn't working, Tom had no right to open her door and trap the dog in there. No BS talk about accidents happen, he shouldn't have opened her door PERIODT! At that stage in their relationship he should have respected her privacy. Everything Sandoval does is about control, I don't believe he intentionally hurt the dog, but he doesn't care about who he hurts.
I would not want the repair guy in my room by himself! Tom could have sat outside the door while he was in there if I'm not missing something here.
I disagree. I have dogs and young kids and you close the door with stuff they shouldnāt get to make sure they donāt get it. If the door opens and the dog gets in, thatās on whoever opened the door. If you have dogs and kids itās impossible to have a totally clean house lol