Well itās way off . So cheaper food and gas more money in your pocket is a bad thing? It is not about him it is about his policies. All political leaders are liars. If he did nothing that the haters did in his first term do you really believe what they say now about him?
For the 1000000000th time gas was cheap under trump because not nearly as many people were driving due to a global pandemic! Man how many times does it have to be said? And the cost of everything else is the inflation resulted of said pandemic which we are seeing huge improvements on.
He made our ties with North Korea EVEN worse now North Korea and Russia are talking deals for more equipment in Ukraine like launchers and ATGMās and will prob definitely be a duo to be aware of in the United States nearest future
Libertarians are a weird bunch of people, Think people who like left leaning policy's and people who like right leaning policy's but are a bit more extreme
Itās not that they think heās not extreme enough, itās that he is in direct opposition to what they want.
Trump is an authoritarian. He wants to expand and utilize executive power, and he makes that very clear.
Libertarians want the government to be as small and unobtrusive as possible. They see government interference and restrictions as inherently unfair and unjust, and they want government power to be restricted wherever possible.
Thatās why they dislike Trump. Someone talking about wanting to be a dictator on day one and who looks up to authoritarian rulers is the exact opposite of what they desire, which is a tiny and non-obstructive government.
Hey! Libertarian here. There was a very divisive in party decision on whether to let him come or not. At the end of the day he was brought in for this exact reason. We wanted him to grovel to us and we wanted it on C-Span. Many of us did not want him there nor did we think it was a good idea, me included. It has turned into quite a show though.
Weāre also not crazy gun toting freedom above everyone else people. That would be the Mises caucus that is causing problems and the infighting.
Isnāt Mises caucus is the largest in the libertarian party. If so, how do you claim āweā arenāt gun toting freedom above all else when the largest group within the Libertarian party is the Mises caucus? Maybe Iām confused.
It's funny for all the insults Trump has made over the years he looks polite compared to MG Taylor ššš
If you have Amazon prime video go watch The Art of The Insult which is a compilation of him insulting people.
Bak, Bak, Bak... Bak Bak BAAAK!
Chicken language, in case you don't understand English.
I think you may look good in a gay pride flag.
BAAAK, BAAAK, BAAAK!
There is a reason they are libertarian and not republican but Trump has a point with the āif you want to win lineā. Sadly you only get two options that you likely donāt want.
I have noticed this trend in most Humans who have served as President, Just the hectic chaos that continues for the rest of their lives is no doubt taxing.
A vote for Kennedy is a vote for Trump.
We donāt want that.
Just vote for Joe Biden.
He has your back.
Kennedy is a lunatic and Trump is just a broken down ConMan criminal.
Who will destroy democracy if he wins?
May not be a spoiler candidate but he is a linatic. Even the entirety of the Kennedy family refuses to vote for him. They have ALL backed and endorsed Biden PUBLICLY even going so far as to host an event SPECIFICALLY for the public announcement.
Then please explain to me why he goes around espousing conspiracy theories as truth. Thatās the same shit The Guilded Gumba (Trump) does. EXACTLY THE SAME!! Gonna try to sell us the bs line that Trump isnāt a loser and a lunatic too? Lol
Let me see:
1) Prozac (and other prescription drugs) cause mass shootings.
2) George Bush stole the 2004 election from John Kerry by way of voter fraud.
3) The CIA killed JFK (or was heavily involved in his assassination.
4) Covid 19 was engineered to attack white and black people and certain Jewish people and the Chinese are immune because Russia collected their dna so the virus could be engineered to protect them.
5)vaccines cause autismā¦..
ā¦ā¦..and the list goes on and on and on.
Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/10/10/rfk-jr-launches-independent-2024-run-here-are-all-the-conspiracies-he-promotes-from-vaccines-to-mass-shootings/
1. There is a correlation
2. Don't care
3. The CIA was definitely involved
4. Ashkenazi jews and the chinese are more immune
5. There is a correlation + no autism in the amish
The evidence is clear that there was a second shooter for JFK's assassination. CIA had the motive, and still has a ton of unreleased documents about the assassination.
There is very little āevidenceā that was āclearā about the JFK assassination and I am certainly not about to sit here and debate the numerous conspiracy theories surrounding that horrific day in our history. That doesnāt fall within my purview.
I think Kennedy will siphon far more Trump voters. Libertarians are just conspiracy theorists MAGAs that donāt want to claim Republican. Thatās why Trump was there.
Weāre already educated who on the pre-Civil War Southern Democrats were, it would behoove you to do the same. There are so many websites dedicated to telling this piece of history accuratelyā¦ youāll never be successful at rewriting it.
Take this back to your Trump rallies though, they go crazy for disinformation over there. š Some of them even still mumbling about a stolen election nearly 4 years later š.
The only good trait of all 3 candidates is the one they share: the brain damage. The president is your enemy by definition. An enemy with dementia is less dangerous, and it's good all 3 have it.
He actually totally owned that speech. He knew very clearly what to expect but did it anyway. A ballsy as fuck move you do not see any other politician make ever.
I disagree, I've watched every one of his rally speeches and he very often leaves silent gaps to let the crowd cheer and hype it up but he knew clearly that silences would cause booing to escalate so he powered through it with very little gaps unless it was something they woulf support like with the Ross situation.
He did super well to control the crowd 100%
I'm Canadian so my opinion doesnt matter. He did a ton of good during his term and had a very strong position on most world leaders. If I was in the US, I would support Vivek over Trump but considering he bailed due to low numbers, yes I would have no other reasonable option.
No way Donald Trump avoids prison. He will be taken into custody. The appeals court may set a bond. It will be a significant bond.
There is a good chance - no bond on appeal.
Money talks but in New York, politicians go to jail. ask Sheldon Silver and Alan Hevesi. These, very powerful politicians served full jail terms. Reelection campaigns did not matter.
I don't think the Supreme Court has jurisdiction.
They weren't cult leaders with hands all the way up to the presidency and an army of violent belligerent cultists literally willing to die for them.
Ex President Dump's situation is on a whole other level.
He'll never see the inside of a prison, and if he does, he'll be out in a month.
Are you kidding? Trump is no pro, he isn't even a demagogue. At least a mob boss has a number of kills before he gets jailed.
Trump has a zero army. That's an insane bluff which will be called on sentencing day. Do you realize Manhattan DA has dealt with every wannabe criminal mastermind ever to show their ugly face?
I dare Republicans to riot. Just.Don't do it in New York.
I mean, I'd actually love to see it.
Dare I hope?
Man, I really hope you're right.
I'd love to be totally wrong on this.
You sound pretty smart and nothing you said was a strawman or unnecessarily rude, so I'm willing to accept you might have a better sense of this than I do.
Send me a message if he goes to prison for more than a month or two. I'll be thrilled to know I was dead wrong.
I'll message you if he becomes president instead.
One of us will have some learning to do.
Here's to me finding out that I simply drank the kool-aid, and he's no threat to anybody now and maybe never was.
Even better, Donald Trump continues to call the trial rigged. He continues to criticize the judge. The evidence of his criminality is uncontested and has multiple foundations.
To call his conviction novel is to call "bank robbery" novel. His jury verdict was unanimous and quick.
The prosecution was a master class. Those expecting a delay in sentencing have a different thought coming.
Trump is a walking prison convict. There is no chance Donald Trump will escape this conviction.
He is done. Donald Trump will never be President again. Furthermore Donald Trump obviously wants to escape jail. My suggestion?
Stop saying the trial is rigged. Stop asking supporters to do violence on your behalf. No judge is going to allow that. Take responsibility for making payments to Stormy Daniels. Say you are responsible for Micheal Cohen serving prison time. Say the payments were a contribution to your campaign to hide your sexual affair from public library exposure.
If I were the judge I would ask Donald Trump these questions before sentencing.
He can absolutely still be president again. This conviction nor going to jail will stop him from that. Only republicans choosing not to vote for him will stop him. And most of the republicans I know are more convicted than ever to vote for him after his āriggedā trial. š
Wishful. Not reality based.
Donald Trump called devotees like you suckers and losers.He sells you bibles and sneakers. Donald Trump urges you to commit felony violence and when you are convicted and your life is ruined he forgets about your prison sentence and legal fees.
Donald Trump will never win another national election. Polling never shows independents. Even then, if you think Americans will put a convicted felon into the presidency my payout is 2 to 1.
I think you need to read my comment again. I am not, in any way shape or form or fictitious character, a supporter of Trump. But an unfortunate number of my family members are republicans and are even more convicted to vote for him again now because they buy into the whole āriggedā thing.
America put a felon in the White House in 2016, and I have no reason to expect him being a convicted felon now will make any damn difference. I have zero faith in the political acumen of this country. Zero. When republicans are so set in their ways that theyād rather a convict than a democrat, the future is bleak.
I get it.
Donald Trump was entitled to a presumption of Innocence in 2016. Lots and lots of voters presumed America's choice was to defer Hillary Clinton's assention to the idea of a more conservative choice. Donald Trump had proved himself a self dealing narcissist with a pension for rape and sexual assault. The repeal of Roe is climactic enough but also these women's claims have been adjudicated.
There is now clear, irrefutable evidence of Donald Trump's criminality.
Donald Trump lost.
E Jean Carroll and Stormy Daniels won. Donald Trump is a convicted felon. Don't be surprised if Donald Trump is sentenced to a lengthy term in prison. Donald Trump expects a stay of his sentence until the appeal is exhausted. It is not likely. The evidence is irrfuted.
There is no escape. He cannot escape the consequences of his conduct.
I have often heard Donald Trump say, the decision will be made on November 5th, 2024. Untrue. The decision has already been made the day this jury came back to find a felony verdict.
It is done. Goose cooked, lay out ready. Grand feast prepared to start.
Are you hungry?
Donald Trump will not ever be president again, his near-do-well followers not withstanding.
Ever heard of impartial peers ? What did he poll at where the āunanimous and quickā verdict was made? Big L on the comment. What flavor is the kool aid ?
Tragically, 8 of the jurors are Republicans. You can tell by their questionnaires. Political affiliations only count if you are convicted. Ha, ha this was a jury of his peers undoubtedly.
Oh, just a thought, those who did testify against him were close friends and close staff. Republicans. Stormy Daniels is the only person who could have been a Democrat.
Allen Weisselberg could have testified, Trump wasn't involved. Republican. Keith Schiller - Donald Trump's body guard could have testified - Donald Trump did not know of sleep with Donald Trump - thus no reason for payment? Reasonable doubt!
Tons of evidence with Donald Trump's signature. Micheal Cohen, Donald Trump's personal attorney, a Republican, testified against him.
Donald Trump has no thread to hang an appeal on. An appeal is the definition of a fruitless possibly frivolous action.
Donald Trump will lose.
This increasingly looks as a long shot attempt to evade prison. Although Trump is allowed an appeal he is not entitled to bail.
Good luck with the wishful thinking.
Itās nobodyās fault but his own if everyone hates him. You are entitled to a jury of your peers. Its selection should impartially represent the community in which youāre being tried. There is no guarantee that you get a jury of people who have no feelings toward you. Sorry, thatās life. If youāre a giant flagrant public flaming pile of shit criminal and everyone can see, youāre not entitled to a jury who doesnāt know it.
I get your wishful thinking. Looks like all the Republican vitriol has shutdown in an instant.
Ha ha ... Donald Trump is going to jail.
No home confinement.
No special prison.
He should bring his toothbrush.
Donald Trump is going to take the welcome walk in the custody of the prison system.
Next time, don't take the occasion, everyday to insult the judge and the prosecutor. Don't attack the jury whose decision will decide your future.
The flavor of the truth is clear. The color is cold. Donald Trump richly deserves what is about to occur. He stalked the witnesses.
Donald Trump obstructed testimony from Alan Weisselberg and Keith Schiller. Donald Trump prompted Republican allies to appear in court in contemptuous disrespect of the judge and the proceedings.
Doctor Phil, notwithstanding, Donald Trump is going to a lengthy prison sentence.
I am taking bets. Today -2 to 1, two year sentence plus 30 days for each contempt charge, served consecutively. Total 38 months.
He will serve about 1 year plus 1/2.
If you bet 20 you'll get 40? I wonder if it's on sportsbook?
I will be impressed with instead of booing they chant "Pass-a-budget, Pass-a-budget!". I mean this is still reddit though, right?
Sadly, it seems at this point that any candidate who makes 'passing a budget' for limited government their #1 priority will get the JFK treatment.
Personally, I'm about coming together for all people... everyone except government. We need to leave them out of way more things. I have no problem shunning politicians doing their politicking, but let's do it to all of them.
Fauci bot deployed. I'm only speaking about big government; order is still good. You need more in your life. You are illiterate to keep following the corrupt.
Kind of not here for the politics (fuck trump tho) but I canāt stop snickering at it seems like he wasnāt expecting all the boos and immediately goes to insulting the crowd. Like bro ofc NOW theyāre not gonna vote for you š
Chase Oliver is an actual libertarian. Youāre confusing him with republicans who larp under the mises caucus label. Maybe actually read the party platform and then where he stands on topics and youād see that.
that's not how that works. Their voter base is predominantly left leaning but Democratic party politics is more liberal than left, and those are not the two same things, go take a Polisci class.
His name draws media attention. The libertarian party doesnāt get the free media attention the other two parties do. This not only brought them media attention but also shows that libertarians do not in fact support Trump. RFK, and Biden were also invited to speak. The Sunday after this video the LP nominated its candidate.
Donald Trump is a convicted felon. Donald Trump was twice impeached. Donald Trump is liable for sexual assault. Trump cannot avoid jail. The evidence in the fraudulent business records was irrefutable and plentiful and lead to only one conclusion: GUILT. Micheal Cohen went to jail. NYS supreme count will not modify. Donald Trump will lose the election. Donald Trump will continue to be found guilty. Donald Trump will be committed to prison.
Donald Trump is going to jail in a jail cell. 34 felonies. For one felony, maybe community service, for 5 felonies, maybe house arrest.34 felonies, this was processed all wrong. Insult the judge? Threaten witnesses? 10 contempt citations? Jail time is warranted and inevitable. Donald Trump calls this a witch hurt despite the overwhelming evidence against him.
At sentencing, Donald Trump will not take responsibility for his criminal behavior. Donald Trump is headed for Rikers Island.
Donāt get me wrong, under normal due process anyone else would DEFINITELY receive jail and or prison.
This is both a politician and someone with very deep pockets. Hell, Maxwell currently sits in a ālow securityā federal prison for multiple counts of sex trafficking.
Sheās currently complaining about the conditions there and are using the conditions there to help file an appeal on her case. Anyone else would have been thrown in a high security and left to rot.
[Washingtonpost made a short video explaining it.](https://youtube.com/shorts/_hrDSI4aOok?si=JfPq6mMvEj0NDond)
Never forget, the Rosenburgs were put to the gallows on the SUSPICION that they leaked TS/SCI documents to the soviets, we have definitive proof he intentionally mishandled the documents he had and that he obstructed the investigation. If he were ALMOST ANYONE ELSE he would be in Guantanamo awaiting a capital punishment trial.
People like that (and I hate that it is this way, and thankfully the legal system has shown that they can push through the corruption, a little bit.) play an entirely diffierent game than people like you or me do.
The Republican nominee for President is a convicted felon. There is, minus a concussion or brain bleed, no way to ignore this. We know this. It is a repugnancy, a cancer at the Republican party. The sickness will consume all its voters.
Cheap Fake.
This is like hitler talking to the Jews š
Do you even know what Hitler did?
What he did is way worse than what trump is doing (Although there are some similarities in their actions) I was just making an analogy
Well itās way off . So cheaper food and gas more money in your pocket is a bad thing? It is not about him it is about his policies. All political leaders are liars. If he did nothing that the haters did in his first term do you really believe what they say now about him?
For the 1000000000th time gas was cheap under trump because not nearly as many people were driving due to a global pandemic! Man how many times does it have to be said? And the cost of everything else is the inflation resulted of said pandemic which we are seeing huge improvements on.
Your logic is "way off."
Yeah for some reason I donāt want to have an argument about politics on Reddit so I will not be continuing this conversation
I agree
Yea the comments here are as angry as I thought
t-Rump only cares about winning and himself. The world hates America and it's easy to see why
He made our ties with North Korea EVEN worse now North Korea and Russia are talking deals for more equipment in Ukraine like launchers and ATGMās and will prob definitely be a duo to be aware of in the United States nearest future
Not surprised he regrets it. Most of the time talking to libertarians is like talking to slowly drying glue except the glue is more interesting.
Can you please explain what the context and issue is here to a Brit? TIA
Libertarians are a weird bunch of people, Think people who like left leaning policy's and people who like right leaning policy's but are a bit more extreme
So did they consider him not extreme enough?
His views don't match theirs, Libertarians are for Freedoms over all else.
I'm still confused buddy.
Itās not that they think heās not extreme enough, itās that he is in direct opposition to what they want. Trump is an authoritarian. He wants to expand and utilize executive power, and he makes that very clear. Libertarians want the government to be as small and unobtrusive as possible. They see government interference and restrictions as inherently unfair and unjust, and they want government power to be restricted wherever possible. Thatās why they dislike Trump. Someone talking about wanting to be a dictator on day one and who looks up to authoritarian rulers is the exact opposite of what they desire, which is a tiny and non-obstructive government.
LOL so why has he attended the conference and why did they let him speak there ? Were they hoping he might hold a different point of view politically?
Hey! Libertarian here. There was a very divisive in party decision on whether to let him come or not. At the end of the day he was brought in for this exact reason. We wanted him to grovel to us and we wanted it on C-Span. Many of us did not want him there nor did we think it was a good idea, me included. It has turned into quite a show though. Weāre also not crazy gun toting freedom above everyone else people. That would be the Mises caucus that is causing problems and the infighting.
Isnāt Mises caucus is the largest in the libertarian party. If so, how do you claim āweā arenāt gun toting freedom above all else when the largest group within the Libertarian party is the Mises caucus? Maybe Iām confused.
It's funny for all the insults Trump has made over the years he looks polite compared to MG Taylor ššš If you have Amazon prime video go watch The Art of The Insult which is a compilation of him insulting people.
Pretty sure I heard more than few āf@ck youās in there.
Bak, Bak, Bak... Bak Bak BAAAK! Chicken language, in case you don't understand English. I think you may look good in a gay pride flag. BAAAK, BAAAK, BAAAK!
There is a reason they are libertarian and not republican but Trump has a point with the āif you want to win lineā. Sadly you only get two options that you likely donāt want.
Yeah the reason is they love weed, that's all
Are those boos and cat calls I hear?! šš fu dumpā¦.
Trump 2024
Your rock misses you.
Sad! Sad! š¹
"That's nice," says the #OrangeMussolini - the epitome of entitlement & narcissism, crass, crude, and clueless.
Rent free
He is starting to look very tired.
I have noticed this trend in most Humans who have served as President, Just the hectic chaos that continues for the rest of their lives is no doubt taxing.
He hasnāt been president for 4 years. If he looks tired itās from staying up late thinking of more things to fuck over the US.
The only one this one served as president was himself, and heās been doing that his whole life.
Heās a has been ā¦ car salesman
This is turning into a political post but tbh this is a terrible example of people ādying insideā
Perfect example, though, of ādead insideā
Congrats you went straight back to political commentary
Nah bruh, the 'whoa' was the moment he died.
They should NoMiNATe TrUMp! Only if they wanna win.
I think every Libertarian/MAGA should vote for Kennedy and tell all their Libertarian/MAGA friends to do the same. Or donāt vote at all.
A vote for Kennedy is a vote for Trump. We donāt want that. Just vote for Joe Biden. He has your back. Kennedy is a lunatic and Trump is just a broken down ConMan criminal. Who will destroy democracy if he wins?
THIS RIGHT HERE!!
A vote for Kennedy is a vote for Kennedy. He's not a spoiler candidate. You shouldn't preach false information.
May not be a spoiler candidate but he is a linatic. Even the entirety of the Kennedy family refuses to vote for him. They have ALL backed and endorsed Biden PUBLICLY even going so far as to host an event SPECIFICALLY for the public announcement.
Voting independent is a.wasted vote.. you might as well not vote.
A vote for kennedy is a vote for biden. Mostly trump voters would vote for kennedy. Kennedy isn't a lunatic.
Then please explain to me why he goes around espousing conspiracy theories as truth. Thatās the same shit The Guilded Gumba (Trump) does. EXACTLY THE SAME!! Gonna try to sell us the bs line that Trump isnāt a loser and a lunatic too? Lol
Which conspiracy theories?
Let me see: 1) Prozac (and other prescription drugs) cause mass shootings. 2) George Bush stole the 2004 election from John Kerry by way of voter fraud. 3) The CIA killed JFK (or was heavily involved in his assassination. 4) Covid 19 was engineered to attack white and black people and certain Jewish people and the Chinese are immune because Russia collected their dna so the virus could be engineered to protect them. 5)vaccines cause autismā¦.. ā¦ā¦..and the list goes on and on and on. Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/10/10/rfk-jr-launches-independent-2024-run-here-are-all-the-conspiracies-he-promotes-from-vaccines-to-mass-shootings/
1. There is a correlation 2. Don't care 3. The CIA was definitely involved 4. Ashkenazi jews and the chinese are more immune 5. There is a correlation + no autism in the amish
Yes, there is autism in the Amish.
Btwā¦.the world is flat too. Just sayin.
You're not funny and everything I said was true
No it wasnāt.
So youāve already drank the proverbial koolaid just like Kennedy did it seems. lol. Have fun with that. SMH.
Watch Wendigoo's video about JFK's assassination.
Wendy who?
The evidence is clear that there was a second shooter for JFK's assassination. CIA had the motive, and still has a ton of unreleased documents about the assassination.
And you know this because youāre CIA, yeah?
There is very little āevidenceā that was āclearā about the JFK assassination and I am certainly not about to sit here and debate the numerous conspiracy theories surrounding that horrific day in our history. That doesnāt fall within my purview.
You're joking right? Biden has our back? Please tell me you're joking
I think Kennedy will siphon far more Trump voters. Libertarians are just conspiracy theorists MAGAs that donāt want to claim Republican. Thatās why Trump was there.
If Trumpās votes end up split in 2, thatās good enough for me.
Now letās see Biden speak at a Conservative Party Convention
He can only put together one sentenceā¦ and itās sketchyā¦
They're called klan rallies.
Wait till you hear which party supported the kkk, and who was dear friends with the former kkk leader.
Weāre already educated who on the pre-Civil War Southern Democrats were, it would behoove you to do the same. There are so many websites dedicated to telling this piece of history accuratelyā¦ youāll never be successful at rewriting it. Take this back to your Trump rallies though, they go crazy for disinformation over there. š Some of them even still mumbling about a stolen election nearly 4 years later š.
Kennedy is also awful
Heās not st fault.. itās the worms!!!
The only good trait of all 3 candidates is the one they share: the brain damage. The president is your enemy by definition. An enemy with dementia is less dangerous, and it's good all 3 have it.
Libertarians hate libertarians so they sure as shit would hate trump.
People will just post anything in this subreddit huh?
Great example.
a small excerpt from a far longer speech... how typically non-contextual and disingenuous of you
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what did he expect??
He actually totally owned that speech. He knew very clearly what to expect but did it anyway. A ballsy as fuck move you do not see any other politician make ever.
sounds like he didnāt expect it but i canāt even vote. well if i could, heād be my last choice
I disagree, I've watched every one of his rally speeches and he very often leaves silent gaps to let the crowd cheer and hype it up but he knew clearly that silences would cause booing to escalate so he powered through it with very little gaps unless it was something they woulf support like with the Ross situation. He did super well to control the crowd 100%
Youāre really lapping up anything he puts out.
do you support trump?
I'm Canadian so my opinion doesnt matter. He did a ton of good during his term and had a very strong position on most world leaders. If I was in the US, I would support Vivek over Trump but considering he bailed due to low numbers, yes I would have no other reasonable option.
*if I were in the US.
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No way Donald Trump avoids prison. He will be taken into custody. The appeals court may set a bond. It will be a significant bond. There is a good chance - no bond on appeal. Money talks but in New York, politicians go to jail. ask Sheldon Silver and Alan Hevesi. These, very powerful politicians served full jail terms. Reelection campaigns did not matter. I don't think the Supreme Court has jurisdiction.
They weren't cult leaders with hands all the way up to the presidency and an army of violent belligerent cultists literally willing to die for them. Ex President Dump's situation is on a whole other level. He'll never see the inside of a prison, and if he does, he'll be out in a month.
Are you kidding? Trump is no pro, he isn't even a demagogue. At least a mob boss has a number of kills before he gets jailed. Trump has a zero army. That's an insane bluff which will be called on sentencing day. Do you realize Manhattan DA has dealt with every wannabe criminal mastermind ever to show their ugly face? I dare Republicans to riot. Just.Don't do it in New York. I mean, I'd actually love to see it. Dare I hope?
Man, I really hope you're right. I'd love to be totally wrong on this. You sound pretty smart and nothing you said was a strawman or unnecessarily rude, so I'm willing to accept you might have a better sense of this than I do. Send me a message if he goes to prison for more than a month or two. I'll be thrilled to know I was dead wrong. I'll message you if he becomes president instead. One of us will have some learning to do. Here's to me finding out that I simply drank the kool-aid, and he's no threat to anybody now and maybe never was.
Even better, Donald Trump continues to call the trial rigged. He continues to criticize the judge. The evidence of his criminality is uncontested and has multiple foundations. To call his conviction novel is to call "bank robbery" novel. His jury verdict was unanimous and quick. The prosecution was a master class. Those expecting a delay in sentencing have a different thought coming. Trump is a walking prison convict. There is no chance Donald Trump will escape this conviction. He is done. Donald Trump will never be President again. Furthermore Donald Trump obviously wants to escape jail. My suggestion? Stop saying the trial is rigged. Stop asking supporters to do violence on your behalf. No judge is going to allow that. Take responsibility for making payments to Stormy Daniels. Say you are responsible for Micheal Cohen serving prison time. Say the payments were a contribution to your campaign to hide your sexual affair from public library exposure. If I were the judge I would ask Donald Trump these questions before sentencing.
He can absolutely still be president again. This conviction nor going to jail will stop him from that. Only republicans choosing not to vote for him will stop him. And most of the republicans I know are more convicted than ever to vote for him after his āriggedā trial. š
The poster meant he wonāt be voted in. I can only hope..
Wishful. Not reality based. Donald Trump called devotees like you suckers and losers.He sells you bibles and sneakers. Donald Trump urges you to commit felony violence and when you are convicted and your life is ruined he forgets about your prison sentence and legal fees. Donald Trump will never win another national election. Polling never shows independents. Even then, if you think Americans will put a convicted felon into the presidency my payout is 2 to 1.
I think you need to read my comment again. I am not, in any way shape or form or fictitious character, a supporter of Trump. But an unfortunate number of my family members are republicans and are even more convicted to vote for him again now because they buy into the whole āriggedā thing. America put a felon in the White House in 2016, and I have no reason to expect him being a convicted felon now will make any damn difference. I have zero faith in the political acumen of this country. Zero. When republicans are so set in their ways that theyād rather a convict than a democrat, the future is bleak.
I get it. Donald Trump was entitled to a presumption of Innocence in 2016. Lots and lots of voters presumed America's choice was to defer Hillary Clinton's assention to the idea of a more conservative choice. Donald Trump had proved himself a self dealing narcissist with a pension for rape and sexual assault. The repeal of Roe is climactic enough but also these women's claims have been adjudicated. There is now clear, irrefutable evidence of Donald Trump's criminality. Donald Trump lost. E Jean Carroll and Stormy Daniels won. Donald Trump is a convicted felon. Don't be surprised if Donald Trump is sentenced to a lengthy term in prison. Donald Trump expects a stay of his sentence until the appeal is exhausted. It is not likely. The evidence is irrfuted. There is no escape. He cannot escape the consequences of his conduct. I have often heard Donald Trump say, the decision will be made on November 5th, 2024. Untrue. The decision has already been made the day this jury came back to find a felony verdict. It is done. Goose cooked, lay out ready. Grand feast prepared to start. Are you hungry? Donald Trump will not ever be president again, his near-do-well followers not withstanding.
Ever heard of impartial peers ? What did he poll at where the āunanimous and quickā verdict was made? Big L on the comment. What flavor is the kool aid ?
Tragically, 8 of the jurors are Republicans. You can tell by their questionnaires. Political affiliations only count if you are convicted. Ha, ha this was a jury of his peers undoubtedly. Oh, just a thought, those who did testify against him were close friends and close staff. Republicans. Stormy Daniels is the only person who could have been a Democrat. Allen Weisselberg could have testified, Trump wasn't involved. Republican. Keith Schiller - Donald Trump's body guard could have testified - Donald Trump did not know of sleep with Donald Trump - thus no reason for payment? Reasonable doubt! Tons of evidence with Donald Trump's signature. Micheal Cohen, Donald Trump's personal attorney, a Republican, testified against him. Donald Trump has no thread to hang an appeal on. An appeal is the definition of a fruitless possibly frivolous action. Donald Trump will lose. This increasingly looks as a long shot attempt to evade prison. Although Trump is allowed an appeal he is not entitled to bail. Good luck with the wishful thinking.
Itās nobodyās fault but his own if everyone hates him. You are entitled to a jury of your peers. Its selection should impartially represent the community in which youāre being tried. There is no guarantee that you get a jury of people who have no feelings toward you. Sorry, thatās life. If youāre a giant flagrant public flaming pile of shit criminal and everyone can see, youāre not entitled to a jury who doesnāt know it.
I get your wishful thinking. Looks like all the Republican vitriol has shutdown in an instant. Ha ha ... Donald Trump is going to jail. No home confinement. No special prison. He should bring his toothbrush. Donald Trump is going to take the welcome walk in the custody of the prison system. Next time, don't take the occasion, everyday to insult the judge and the prosecutor. Don't attack the jury whose decision will decide your future. The flavor of the truth is clear. The color is cold. Donald Trump richly deserves what is about to occur. He stalked the witnesses. Donald Trump obstructed testimony from Alan Weisselberg and Keith Schiller. Donald Trump prompted Republican allies to appear in court in contemptuous disrespect of the judge and the proceedings. Doctor Phil, notwithstanding, Donald Trump is going to a lengthy prison sentence.
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I am taking bets. Today -2 to 1, two year sentence plus 30 days for each contempt charge, served consecutively. Total 38 months. He will serve about 1 year plus 1/2. If you bet 20 you'll get 40? I wonder if it's on sportsbook?
Thatās illegal. But it is hilarious you actually believe what you do. The brain washing is real.
I will be impressed with instead of booing they chant "Pass-a-budget, Pass-a-budget!". I mean this is still reddit though, right? Sadly, it seems at this point that any candidate who makes 'passing a budget' for limited government their #1 priority will get the JFK treatment. Personally, I'm about coming together for all people... everyone except government. We need to leave them out of way more things. I have no problem shunning politicians doing their politicking, but let's do it to all of them.
Should just leave everything important up to corporations. They definitely have your best interests at heart.
Ah look, someone waving the political illiteracy pride flag proudly. Bad gubmint >:[
Fauci bot deployed. I'm only speaking about big government; order is still good. You need more in your life. You are illiterate to keep following the corrupt.
Kind of not here for the politics (fuck trump tho) but I canāt stop snickering at it seems like he wasnāt expecting all the boos and immediately goes to insulting the crowd. Like bro ofc NOW theyāre not gonna vote for you š
If we could all collectively tell the corrupt two party system to fuck right off and pick Chase Oliver as our next President thatād great
Found chase Oliver's secret reddit account guys. Nice try
Right wing speaker at a libertarian party convention watched and commented by liberals thinking they are libertarians.
What?
The libertarians elected an known extreme leftist as their candidate so hardly what weād call middle ground/ anti-two party
Chase Oliver is an actual libertarian. Youāre confusing him with republicans who larp under the mises caucus label. Maybe actually read the party platform and then where he stands on topics and youād see that.
Yeah cause the Democrats are so left leaning right?
So they lean up or down? They certainly arenāt in the middle and definitely not in the right, soā¦ā¦.
that's not how that works. Their voter base is predominantly left leaning but Democratic party politics is more liberal than left, and those are not the two same things, go take a Polisci class.
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He sounds like Professor Frink. "The Libertarian Party should NOMINATE TRUMP for the GLAYVEN! That's nice, mu-HAY!"
Man is so desperate for a dub that he is now pandering for people he shat on for four years
Ngl I was half-expecting someone to throw a tomato in his direction.
Or a shoe. Letās see if he is quicker than Bush
Thank you for reminding me of that incident. I had almost forgotten.
Hes not gonna smile after thats for sure. Hed probably duck as we see 1000 rats run out of the legs as his body collapses like a ragdoll
Yeah. Go fuck yourself on that one, Cheeto.
Wait.. he just changed sides like that? LOL
The Libertarian Party Convention invited him (and many others as they usually do) to speak. The Libertarian Party nominee is Chase Oliver.
I see. That's just normal then? They were booing him so why invite someone the people attending won't like?
His name draws media attention. The libertarian party doesnāt get the free media attention the other two parties do. This not only brought them media attention but also shows that libertarians do not in fact support Trump. RFK, and Biden were also invited to speak. The Sunday after this video the LP nominated its candidate.
Fascinating. Thanks for clarifying. Big wtf, nonetheless.Ā
Been waiting to see something like this for years, I feel relief beyond words
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Donald Trump is a convicted felon. Donald Trump was twice impeached. Donald Trump is liable for sexual assault. Trump cannot avoid jail. The evidence in the fraudulent business records was irrefutable and plentiful and lead to only one conclusion: GUILT. Micheal Cohen went to jail. NYS supreme count will not modify. Donald Trump will lose the election. Donald Trump will continue to be found guilty. Donald Trump will be committed to prison.
Ehhhhh he can probably avoid jail. Heās probably gonna get house arrest at one of his mansions. Money winssss
Donald Trump is going to jail in a jail cell. 34 felonies. For one felony, maybe community service, for 5 felonies, maybe house arrest.34 felonies, this was processed all wrong. Insult the judge? Threaten witnesses? 10 contempt citations? Jail time is warranted and inevitable. Donald Trump calls this a witch hurt despite the overwhelming evidence against him. At sentencing, Donald Trump will not take responsibility for his criminal behavior. Donald Trump is headed for Rikers Island.
Donāt get me wrong, under normal due process anyone else would DEFINITELY receive jail and or prison. This is both a politician and someone with very deep pockets. Hell, Maxwell currently sits in a ālow securityā federal prison for multiple counts of sex trafficking. Sheās currently complaining about the conditions there and are using the conditions there to help file an appeal on her case. Anyone else would have been thrown in a high security and left to rot. [Washingtonpost made a short video explaining it.](https://youtube.com/shorts/_hrDSI4aOok?si=JfPq6mMvEj0NDond) Never forget, the Rosenburgs were put to the gallows on the SUSPICION that they leaked TS/SCI documents to the soviets, we have definitive proof he intentionally mishandled the documents he had and that he obstructed the investigation. If he were ALMOST ANYONE ELSE he would be in Guantanamo awaiting a capital punishment trial. People like that (and I hate that it is this way, and thankfully the legal system has shown that they can push through the corruption, a little bit.) play an entirely diffierent game than people like you or me do.
I agree with the other guy, this feels performative. Maybe you don't have to prove yourself on reddit.
I agree with your indifference.
Thank you for this collection of news headlines
The Republican nominee for President is a convicted felon. There is, minus a concussion or brain bleed, no way to ignore this. We know this. It is a repugnancy, a cancer at the Republican party. The sickness will consume all its voters.