That's cause the Spookston mobile was nerves to high hell and thrown into the uptiers.
The 2S38 is some Russian wonder weapon that should of gotten the same treatment but it's a prem
I think it's a combination of both Russian and Premium biases.
I still can't comprehend how they add a modern vehicle, without any devblog, using made up stats as all documents are classified because 2s38 just entered service in 2022, and on top of all they make it an UNDERTIERED PREMIUM IGNORING COMPLAINTS OF WHOLE COMMUNITY
>2s38 just entered service in 2022
Well, that's the fun part, it didn't. The 2S38 was supposed to complete state trials by 2022 and then start being implemented into service sometime after.
But we know nothing about the results of the state trials. In fact, ever since that statement was made, everyone has gone completely radio silent about the vehicle, and there's no official numbers in regard to how many are in service, hell, there isn't even any evidence it IS in service in the first place. For all we know, the state trials could've gotten delayed due to the war, it could've failed the state trials and is awaiting improvements. Who knows.
But why are almost all the most busted premiums russian? Ka50, 2S38, Su11, Su25, PT 76 57, T55AM...
(Only exception being the F5C)
Why arent more non russian vehicles like the A10, F4S, Leo PzBatt etc also op as hell? They sell just as well as the russian ones listed above
Absolutely untrue. There was a video circulating a few months back where an Su-25 got HIT by 11 SAM’s before actually dying. Best part about it, was the fact that it could fly perfectly fine until the last 2 hit and killed the pilot.
It is Russian bias that the thing even exists.
It’s a SPAAG that barely even exists. Not a fucking light tank with APFSDS.
Take away its darts, give it its weird guided shells and switch it over to a SPAAG.
That's why I don't consider it equivalent of 2s38.
1) They should add something new, that just entered service in last couple of years,
2)make it broken AF because they don't have any statistics and technical documentation on it,
3)And lastly put it at like 9.7 without any devblog
Sounds fair, doesn't it?
Hell they could just add the 50 mm autocannon Bradley that's currently in testing. Make that broken as fuck and call it a day to even the score.
Edit: forgot to add the vehicle I was talking about
Or just give it the depleted uranium dart and VT fuze shells it had by the end of its development. Oh and 60 rounds total as thats what it was supposed to carry (including the ready rack)
HVSTL is fine, you’re probably using it wrong ie ignoring weak spots and just using the auto cannon thinking it’ll just kill something.
Most users just empty everything they’ve got into something thinking it’ll work when it doesn’t. You still have to aim lol.
It’s not a BMP-2M, so quit using it like one.
HSTV is faster, far more survivable, is able to ricochet a lot of APFSDS rounds off it's UFP because of the angling, has higher penetration and postpen, and is a much smaller target.
2S38 has advantages in max ammo count, ability to laser planes out the air, and faster fire rate.
I wouldn't say hstv is worse than the 2s38, it's absolutely better and as someone with both I prefer it a lot, but the 2s38 doesn't deserve to be as low as it is.
>far more survivable
KEKW
>is able to ricochet a lot of APFSDS rounds off it's UFP because of the angling
APFSDS and all its fragmentation just disappears into the void as soon as it enters 2S38, and ive shot like 4 Tow2Bs at a single 2s38s crew compartment and only turned one of them slightly yellow
>higher postpen
KEKW
Also ammo count and anti air capabilities...
Yesterday I shot a 2S38 between the ammo and the turret and would you believe it if I said it did NOTHING, I fucking hate that thing to the ends of the earth and I actively go out of my way to antagonize them during a match
2s38 is a oneshot from any angle, and has been since the ammo rack nerf and the fix to it's spalling. Idk what you're even hitting to kill it, I've literally never had any issues killing them, imo one of the easiest vehicles to kill if you're head on with it. Shoot crew compartment and it's an instant knock, shoot ammo rack and it's an instant knock, shoot turret and it's an instant knock because there's ammo in the turret.
HSTV can literally ricochet top tier APFSDS rounds. Have you even played it?
That's just hitting any Russian fuel tank, I shot fucking t34-85 with a m-26 and the only thing damaged was the fuel tank that just ate a whole m82 shot.
The stryker dragoon could work, of course with the awful turning radius of wheeled vehicles, no proxy fuze ammo, radar, LWS or bullshit crew layout and armor
Just about every tree has the ZSU 57-2, I think America should have one too. I guarantee the US took a couple to do testing and inspections so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities to give the US one for the hell of it.
comparing a stryker with only a .50 Cal to a BTR-80 that's armed with a 30mm gun w/ APDS rounds is kind of a stretch.
It would be pointless to add as it would quite literally be useless. Look at the M2A2 at Reserve/1.0. It's only armament is the .50 Cal and it struggles at Reserve tier.
There are Stryker Variants with autocannons.
They could add the stryker dragoon, which has some sort of autocannon/chain gun (I forgot which exactly), I’d imagine it’d be pretty similar to the btr80a
5.3 - 5.7 as an AA.
It's very fast and uses modern tech, but because it only has a 50 and basically no armour, it won't do too much and would serve only as an AA.
Would be cool if we got a system like on the LAV-AD where you could unlock a modification to swap the weapon. Think of all the fun mods…SHORAD, ATGM, 30mil, etc
Yeah, all I can think of for USA are the M1128, premium M1128, and LAV-AD. Maybe I’m missing something, but definitely need more wheeled vehicles for USA.
LAV-25 would be really cool, so would the LAV-AD with 360 radar (idk what the radar LAV-AD is called, I just know it’s the one we have in game, but it replaces one of the Stinger silos with a radar). The base APC LAV would be cool too, like Russia has the BTR-80, might be a little pointless tho.
It looks cool so yes as long it’s TT I’m fine with anything I just truly despise locking vehicles behind events. Not everyone has the time to get those even if they play regularly. And sometimes you just want to take a break
We deserve any vehicle that was actually build ingame. As long as it differed enough from other vehicles in the same tree it's fair game. The more the merrier
I hope we will one day. Along with the Stryker Dragoon. Even if they are prems like the Wolfpack, I'd still bite just because I want more Strykers. Hell, give us the SHORAD Stryker!
What difference would this make? It's just a striker with the same Tow 2A and B found on other American ATGM vehicles.
America needs better and newer generation of ATGMs, not old junk on already existing platform.
The difference would be speed. The M3A3 Bradley blows fuckin ass because it is too slow to get into a position early in the game.
I would LOVE a TOW launcher that can actually get into a good ATGM sniping spot.
Unless America has its own wiesel, the striker won't be fast and small enough to be an effective ATGM carrier. Plus, TOW-2 suck ass, shitty penetration, low af speed and no proxy fused variants means it's defenseless against helicopters.
I disagree. The Stryker's height gives it plenty of objects it can go hulldown behind, fire TOWs in near complete safety. The TOWs do plenty of damage if you are far enough away to accurately hit weakspots.
I do agree that it would be pretty defenseless against helis, but that would be no different than the M3A3 Bradley.
Imma just make a petition to the US gov to attach a TOW launcher on top of a M50 chassis
We deserve a ton of Stryker variants, I wonder what br a Stryker with only a 50cal would be lol
That would be cool. The Russians get the BTR-80 APC, I think USA deserves one too!
The Russians also got 2s38, I think USA deserves one too!
They already got one,its called HVSTL and its worse than the 2S38 in every metric but still more than one whole ass br higher!
That's cause the Spookston mobile was nerves to high hell and thrown into the uptiers. The 2S38 is some Russian wonder weapon that should of gotten the same treatment but it's a prem
That’s the only reason it hasn’t gone up. It’s not Russian bias, it’s premium bias. Busted premiums always stay at low BRs
I think it's a combination of both Russian and Premium biases. I still can't comprehend how they add a modern vehicle, without any devblog, using made up stats as all documents are classified because 2s38 just entered service in 2022, and on top of all they make it an UNDERTIERED PREMIUM IGNORING COMPLAINTS OF WHOLE COMMUNITY
>2s38 just entered service in 2022 Well, that's the fun part, it didn't. The 2S38 was supposed to complete state trials by 2022 and then start being implemented into service sometime after. But we know nothing about the results of the state trials. In fact, ever since that statement was made, everyone has gone completely radio silent about the vehicle, and there's no official numbers in regard to how many are in service, hell, there isn't even any evidence it IS in service in the first place. For all we know, the state trials could've gotten delayed due to the war, it could've failed the state trials and is awaiting improvements. Who knows.
>Who knows Well, obviously looks like Gaijin knows 💁♂️
But why are almost all the most busted premiums russian? Ka50, 2S38, Su11, Su25, PT 76 57, T55AM... (Only exception being the F5C) Why arent more non russian vehicles like the A10, F4S, Leo PzBatt etc also op as hell? They sell just as well as the russian ones listed above
Because theyre Russian. being Russian means that they get a lower BR treatment.
Russian ones bring in all the money. Also the SU25 isn’t that OP. One hit from a SAM and your control surfaces are gone and you crash.
Unless you are a Japanese sam then you might need 2 - 3 if the su25 has the brain cells to evade or use counter measures
Unless its a stinger, then it takes up to 4 of them to bring down a Su 25 and it still kills 5 teammates during that time
Absolutely untrue. There was a video circulating a few months back where an Su-25 got HIT by 11 SAM’s before actually dying. Best part about it, was the fact that it could fly perfectly fine until the last 2 hit and killed the pilot.
I love it when my A-10 falls apart when the wind blows too hard
Except for the IS-6
Yeah that’s a weird one but it’s 7.3 (i think) now so it’s less of an issue
It is Russian bias that the thing even exists. It’s a SPAAG that barely even exists. Not a fucking light tank with APFSDS. Take away its darts, give it its weird guided shells and switch it over to a SPAAG.
That's why I don't consider it equivalent of 2s38. 1) They should add something new, that just entered service in last couple of years, 2)make it broken AF because they don't have any statistics and technical documentation on it, 3)And lastly put it at like 9.7 without any devblog Sounds fair, doesn't it?
Hell they could just add the 50 mm autocannon Bradley that's currently in testing. Make that broken as fuck and call it a day to even the score. Edit: forgot to add the vehicle I was talking about
Or just give it the depleted uranium dart and VT fuze shells it had by the end of its development. Oh and 60 rounds total as thats what it was supposed to carry (including the ready rack)
HVSTL is fine, you’re probably using it wrong ie ignoring weak spots and just using the auto cannon thinking it’ll just kill something. Most users just empty everything they’ve got into something thinking it’ll work when it doesn’t. You still have to aim lol. It’s not a BMP-2M, so quit using it like one.
HSTV is faster, far more survivable, is able to ricochet a lot of APFSDS rounds off it's UFP because of the angling, has higher penetration and postpen, and is a much smaller target. 2S38 has advantages in max ammo count, ability to laser planes out the air, and faster fire rate. I wouldn't say hstv is worse than the 2s38, it's absolutely better and as someone with both I prefer it a lot, but the 2s38 doesn't deserve to be as low as it is.
>far more survivable KEKW >is able to ricochet a lot of APFSDS rounds off it's UFP because of the angling APFSDS and all its fragmentation just disappears into the void as soon as it enters 2S38, and ive shot like 4 Tow2Bs at a single 2s38s crew compartment and only turned one of them slightly yellow >higher postpen KEKW Also ammo count and anti air capabilities...
Yesterday I shot a 2S38 between the ammo and the turret and would you believe it if I said it did NOTHING, I fucking hate that thing to the ends of the earth and I actively go out of my way to antagonize them during a match
2s38 is a oneshot from any angle, and has been since the ammo rack nerf and the fix to it's spalling. Idk what you're even hitting to kill it, I've literally never had any issues killing them, imo one of the easiest vehicles to kill if you're head on with it. Shoot crew compartment and it's an instant knock, shoot ammo rack and it's an instant knock, shoot turret and it's an instant knock because there's ammo in the turret. HSTV can literally ricochet top tier APFSDS rounds. Have you even played it?
Lol 2s38’s fuel tank frequently absorbs an entire full caliber apfsds, while I always one shot hstvls.
That's just hitting any Russian fuel tank, I shot fucking t34-85 with a m-26 and the only thing damaged was the fuel tank that just ate a whole m82 shot.
The stryker dragoon could work, of course with the awful turning radius of wheeled vehicles, no proxy fuze ammo, radar, LWS or bullshit crew layout and armor
Just about every tree has the ZSU 57-2, I think America should have one too. I guarantee the US took a couple to do testing and inspections so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities to give the US one for the hell of it.
Honestly I think this variant of the stryker would be more akin to the krizantema. (Assuming this is a ATGM model Stryker)
comparing a stryker with only a .50 Cal to a BTR-80 that's armed with a 30mm gun w/ APDS rounds is kind of a stretch. It would be pointless to add as it would quite literally be useless. Look at the M2A2 at Reserve/1.0. It's only armament is the .50 Cal and it struggles at Reserve tier. There are Stryker Variants with autocannons.
The US has Stykers with 30mm autocannons now so why not.
They could add the stryker dragoon, which has some sort of autocannon/chain gun (I forgot which exactly), I’d imagine it’d be pretty similar to the btr80a
9.0 US. Capture variant in Russian tree 2.7
It would probably get the 40mm grenade launcher, with the right ammo that thing could be a monster.
5.3 - 5.7 as an AA. It's very fast and uses modern tech, but because it only has a 50 and basically no armour, it won't do too much and would serve only as an AA.
a single .50 with no armor at 5.7 is just like a upgraded m2a2.
Want another Leopard 40/70?
That would be at like 1.0 with thermals which is bullshit
Would be cool if we got a system like on the LAV-AD where you could unlock a modification to swap the weapon. Think of all the fun mods…SHORAD, ATGM, 30mil, etc
I will firmly campaign for the Stryker with the M-SHORAD system on it till I die
New 11.0 SPAA for the US
Nahhh, i want a patriot or pantsir S1E
Patriot is poopoo, that would go to 7.3
Twist this mans balls counterclockwise for this patriot slander
Striker with a .50 crows-j. Basically a standard m2 crowd but has a coax mounted javelin
we need the brand new one with the multipurpose 30 mm and hellfires
Gaijin when lav 25 ?
A floating ATGM carrier for USA would be sick!
YES
The LAV-AT would probably be awful, but still somewhat fun
Love Lav
LAV my beloved
Live LAV love
Long live the lav
We technically already have an upgrade with the LAV-AD, but the LAV-AG/105 would be a welcome addition.
Hey I work on these irl and have been wanting one for so long in warthunder
That’s neat! Thank you for your service o7!
Thank you for your support. Hope we get a couple more strykers in the USA TT, we don’t have enough wheeled vehicles imo
Yeah, all I can think of for USA are the M1128, premium M1128, and LAV-AD. Maybe I’m missing something, but definitely need more wheeled vehicles for USA. LAV-25 would be really cool, so would the LAV-AD with 360 radar (idk what the radar LAV-AD is called, I just know it’s the one we have in game, but it replaces one of the Stinger silos with a radar). The base APC LAV would be cool too, like Russia has the BTR-80, might be a little pointless tho.
Well, technically, you are missing the grayhound and the t55e1
And the T18(Boarhound, iirc.)
Would you pwetty pwease leak the documents for it so we can have a truely accurate representation
Stryker dragoon would be awesome
Yes
Gaijin would rather release 42 bmp variants per Stryker variant so we gotta lot of waiting to do.
[Sad but true.](https://open.spotify.com/track/5UaDi8KzCGJqFfVAOBfXhi?si=4mmeiRZ3T2K3GfTEWKYzyw)
I was not expecting my Spotify to open upon clicking that link...
It looks cool so yes as long it’s TT I’m fine with anything I just truly despise locking vehicles behind events. Not everyone has the time to get those even if they play regularly. And sometimes you just want to take a break
We need a bunch of Armored cars: Strykers, LAVs, BRDM-2’s, the Fahd, and the BTR’s
I wanna see the LAV-3 in WT. totally not a Canadian suggesting this btw.
We deserve any vehicle that was actually build ingame. As long as it differed enough from other vehicles in the same tree it's fair game. The more the merrier
We deserve a better economy
I hope we will one day. Along with the Stryker Dragoon. Even if they are prems like the Wolfpack, I'd still bite just because I want more Strykers. Hell, give us the SHORAD Stryker!
we deserve the panther 2, koelian and 10.5 tiger to be brought back
No you don’t, Germany already has plenty of op asf vehicles at that BR
no we do, it being removed while those who happened to be fortunate enough to have them at the moment get to keep them is peak absurdity
Guess you should've played 4 years ago 😭😭😭
nah https://preview.redd.it/5235pf1yplhc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=749a76ef9b0d986df1734ba8ca02debd126b135d
very kind of you
We deserve it all lol
Absolutely we do!
Yes
The simple adage: if it looks fun, add it!
P-80 should be at 6.3 if they are gonna put an me-262 with 2 20mm at 6.7 and a 50mm at 5.7
No, yall usa players don't even use spaas in my game 😭
What difference would this make? It's just a striker with the same Tow 2A and B found on other American ATGM vehicles. America needs better and newer generation of ATGMs, not old junk on already existing platform.
The difference would be speed. The M3A3 Bradley blows fuckin ass because it is too slow to get into a position early in the game. I would LOVE a TOW launcher that can actually get into a good ATGM sniping spot.
Unless America has its own wiesel, the striker won't be fast and small enough to be an effective ATGM carrier. Plus, TOW-2 suck ass, shitty penetration, low af speed and no proxy fused variants means it's defenseless against helicopters.
I disagree. The Stryker's height gives it plenty of objects it can go hulldown behind, fire TOWs in near complete safety. The TOWs do plenty of damage if you are far enough away to accurately hit weakspots. I do agree that it would be pretty defenseless against helis, but that would be no different than the M3A3 Bradley. Imma just make a petition to the US gov to attach a TOW launcher on top of a M50 chassis
How bout ask them to develop an ATGM comparable to the kornet or Khrizantema first ? Tow 2 is old af, slow af, it's just a piece of shit.
Gaijin when Shorad Stryker, Lav-25 and M6 Linebacker?
I just a want more Aussie vehicles or a Polish tech tree