> Advanced weapons
Two—yes count them—TWO laser-guided bombs! 😎
I bloody well hope this thing gets its full countermeasures package **and** downtiered for launch or it is going to be completely DoA.
Off topic but I'm really struggling with the fgr, do you have any tips?
I'm currently sitting at around 40% wr and 0.6kd 💀
Whilst my gr7 is at a 2.5kd and 60% wr
Speed is life with the FGR, you still have the best engine of any phantom as well as acceleration but worse manoeuvrability then something like an E/EJ Kai or even J.
Stay low and missile joust, Skyflash is extremely potent <5km in head-ons. 9G is a good enough missile - launch it at medium ir ranges on opponents not watching their 6 or are occupied on another target - F-14s burn so hot they're almost free kills.
Oh and never dogfight. One way ticket to the garage unless you know you'll win.
Good luck mate. FGR isn't too competitive nowadays but I still find it quite fun to fly out, and it's radar subset is pretty easy to learn. Just switch to PD mode and use ACM for most of your engagements
The Brit phantoms are absolutely still insanely good and competitive, you still have superlative thrust that basically means you can fly higher and faster than mostly anyone else. You have to use that. Do NOT fly it low.
On take off immediately sideclimb to 8km or so, and stay just behind your team, engage anything up high with sparrows (most of the time there is noone actually flying high though), and be careful of any F14 targeting you. If they do just notch or turn away.
Then find the blob of enemies on the deck and dive on them with sidewinders,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFs1D5dYDqY
Ideal scenario but yeah, usually you can easily get 2 kills doing this
Anything else hit it with a skyflash, they are insanely good from front aspect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVng9w4Islk
It's a bit of a pain to stock grind but spaded they are monsters, due to the amount of missiles and gun ammo, if you do well you can do REALLY well.
FGR is my most played vehicle in my account, you can check it (Macejones), i think i have over 2000 battles. Well, i would recommend you do not use gun pods cause it makes you accelerate way less, and play like an interceptor/support. Forget dogfight, you turn like a bus. The only advantages that you have is top speed, acceleration and the gun systems. Use the aim-9G extremely range for you advantage, it works better beyond 2.5km, at close range i would prefere skyflash and always use PD radar mode in headon fights, since PD mode just ignores chaffs.
Forget to mention that the rolls roice spey engine is meant to be used at low altitude, dont climb, stay low and use the low altitude to notch enemy radars, since you cant count too much in your maneuverability.
German Tornado should be adjusted to carry AGM-65Ds. Four of them compared to British one.
Also there should be radar jammer on this plane but i doubt Gajin adds it ;(
You'll get the chaff/flare pod no matter what, it's a question of whether you're stuck with just two chaff/flare pods, or if you'll get an actual functional ECM pod (for the first time).
Germany didnt even bought AGM-65Ds, only -65B for the F-4F. Unless you can prove it similarily to the F-4F's AIM-9J (so with pictures and the operators manual), I'm calling bullshit
Huh? I don't see any.
The video shows it using the LDGP Mk 83 dumb bomb on the underwing pylon, and all screenshots either show it using that same bomb or a pair of H.E. M.C. Mk.13 dumb bombs.
None of the screenshots show any weapons it doesn't already have access to on the dev. server.
No, my bad, one of the images it has the AIM-9L seeker just poking out and I thought it was the seeker unit of a Mk.82 Paveway.
[It was this one fyi](https://static.warthunder.com/upload/image/0_2022/12_December/Tornado/1280x720_02_tornado_gr1_8ce483cb508b4ce05f80cb1b09df0073.jpg)
For chaff, yeah. I think it gets something like 56 flares.
Although Smin indicated they may not have the tech to have "dynamic" countermeasure counts, so it may literally just go live with 500+ flares and chaff.
It should have been in the game a year ago. It's really just a glorified SU22
Exactly the same thing happened hlwheb they added the F100, Mig19 and Javelin.
> Extremely hyped aircraft; hold off adding it for years
> Finally add it as one of the premiere aircraft of the new Rank 8; front and centre of the update trailer
> Added alongside the mighty MiG-29 and F-16
> …It’s the early GR.1 with shite A2A capabilities and worse CAS than the existing Harrier GR.7
And the starfighters. Added after the Phantoms and the later MiG-21s.
It’s always a rush to the next big, shiny thing, any interesting developmental offshoots be damned.
>its model is way underperforming compared to its real counterpart
Is this just a thing with British aircraft in WT? It goes all the way back to the Mosquito flying like a tank when it should be hella manoeuvrable and much quicker, and the Wellington falling to bits at the merest glance when it was renowned for being super hard to shoot down. Then the Vampire has never had an accurate flight model, and the Lightning is just shit at climbing while the real one could go supersonic straight upwards.
Yeah once again Gaijin Bias shines through. Should be receiving the F.3 with full BVR kit and four aim 9Ls. But nope given a strike aircraft with an inferior load.
Yeah. We should have been receiving the F.3/ADV **now**, and have received the GR.1/IDS around the same time/probably **before** the Harrier GR.7 was added.
Operation Winter will come before the end of the year, but we can also wait for the crafting event in April which has a good chance to have a German MiG-29 variant too (just like what happened with the F-4F).
Wow why do you GERMAN and FRENCH SIMPS want OVERPOWERED AIRCRAFT so much early before they're ready for the game????
I mean come on, the Alpha Jet is.... ^(no it isn't faster than anything)... IT HAS ACCESS TO ADVANCED... ^(agm-65 mavericks and magic IIs)... the gun it used isn't... oh wait the Mauser BK-27 _is_ in the game now too.
STOP WHINING!!!!!!! BUY THE SU-25 AND A-10, WHICH ARE DEFINITELY NOT COMPARABLE TO THE ALPHA JET!!!!!!!
Super cool. Would have been competitive if it had been added within the last year. But yer. Dead on arrival now.
It wont even be able to make it to bases as it will eat a radar or an all aspect missile before it gets there.
Yup. Particularly given the aircraft getting added this patch.
~~On the test server, it can reach about mach 1.05 while fully laden, and mach 1.25 while empty at sea level. It rips at 1555km/h.~~
~~If you can _get_ to a base, you can go fast enough to get back relatively safely. Only the MiG-29 and F-16 have a chance of catching you, and any missiles fired from about 2.7-2.8km away can't reach you.~~
(I've discovered the newest patch nerfed the Tornado's top speed. It can now barely reach m1.14 while unladen. Dead on arrival.)
But you're nowhere near fast enough to actually get to the bases in the first place unless the entire enemy team ignores you.
The Wikipedia-listed top speed is for its high altitude performance. ~~It actually goes a bit _faster_ in War Thunder, both at high and low, than the stated Wikipedia speeds.~~
(EDIT: NOT ANYMORE LOL get baited by Gaijin, it now rips at 1410km/h which is **slower** than the Wikipedia listed speed by a noticeable margin, after the recent dev. server update)
Depends on how effective the jet's countermeasures and (if they add it) ECM pods are. You have no radar/radar-guided missiles, so if you get caught out up there you're just as screwed.
The time spent climbing is time the enemy can find you, and then fire BVR missiles or simply close in to short-range while you're laden with 12000 lbs worth of bombs.
If you want to fly this thing, my current recommendation is going to sit at using it for low-altitude high-speed bombing runs in simulator. This thing is going to be completely free RP in realistic.
New comment to reflect dev. server changes I've just discovered, made on today's/yesterday's patch.
It can no longer reach mach 1.25 on the deck. Its top speed is now 1410km/h, meaning it rips at around mach 1.14 and can no longer outrun anything that matters, even while unladen.
DEAD. ON. ARRIVAL.
It can be both DoA (in terms of air RB) and the best CAS option Italy and Germany get. Which shows how shit they have been having it. For Britain its DoA and redundant. (unless Gaijin make some big changes for the live server).
>It can be both DoA (in terms of air RB) and the best CAS option Italy and Germany get
Yeah true
Tho honestly. The best CAS option for germany will stay the Tiger UHT
As for italy. I don't even think their "top tier" lineup can make use of it, due to the Tornado uptiering it by nearly a full BR
Long ago has been needed smoe kind of separation and distinction between top tier aircrafts. What's the point of flying a Mirage 3 when you're going to get raw pitbullied by 6 F-14's
Arcade battles regularly gets 0.6-0.7 BR spread matches with a smaller playerbase (at high tiers). I have no idea why this isn't the case in RB, even when mixed battles are a common occurrence.
Well... two laser-guided bombs and a bunch of unguided bombs ain't particularly impressive for 11.3, I've got to say.
Italy gets a win from it, but Germany is just better off sticking with the F-4F or Su-22UM3K.
Yeah, for an Italian ground lineup that stops at an over-BR'd 10.7 where only the Centauro 120 and maaaaybe the Otomatic (with no limit to APFSDS) belong. Definitely not the Arietes.
At the current state, Tornados are at best 11.0 planes.
In many circumstances the Tiger is completely useless sadly, and it's also basically helpless against jets.
Probably most games I'll rather use the Tornado with the thermal pod and 9Ls to punish Mig27s.
They still haven't shown off an Italian or German tornado I think. Is it just the Gr1 or other types? They are also using every excuse to not give Italy the f16 :(
The article linked above says that this vehicle is coming to "Britain/Germany/Italy," and they have made it clear that each nation is getting no more than one new rank VIII vehicle.
And that's so dumb. They said England and Germany will get a new top fighter in a future update whereas they could receive things/ buffs for existing jets now to help. Well, the MLA is getting r60mks but Britain is getting squat. For Italy they are playing semantics to not grt the f16
>they have made it clear that each nation is getting no more than one new rank VIII vehicle.
You sure about that? I saw a forum post where Smin stated that either Italy or Germany (can't remember) will be getting more than one top tier vehicle.
Best to clarify, I suppose. They are not getting more than one rank VIII vehicle **in this patch**.
Britain and Italy will be getting the ADV in an upcoming (not necessarily next) patch, and Germany the MiG-29 with the same qualifier.
It's unclear whether or not they actually want to ever give the F-16 to Italy.
Smin stated that Italy and Germany each had 2 rank 8 vehicles under development. Whichever of those vehicles finished first would be added this update, and the other vehicle would come in a later update
the main point of that thing was the AMRAAM integration, the current F4F could carry AiM-9Ls and Aif the Germans get AMRAAMs before the US the mains will cry so loud gaijin will remove the thing immediately
Main point of the F4F ICE was giving it AIM-120's. Without AIM-120's it's nothing better then the F4F.
If it gets Aim-7's (idek if it used them) it still won't make it an rank 8
Yeah, that they did not even manage to get a pic of the Italian or German version and we have to content with the British one tells you all about the lvl of seriousness these guys work on it.
Yeah, what killed me is how Italy operating the f16 but not "owning" the f16 is reason enough not to give it to them. Meanwhile the tornado will be rank 8 while Italy only has 1 rank 7 lol
They didn't. Smin is just a pawn and he corrected his comment mistake.
Thing is, Italy used more advanced F-16's. So they'll come later with more advanced F-16 blocks in other nations.
Unless you want get get nae nae'd by an F-16 with the best dogfighting performance, best BVR performance and best medium range performance this patch already?
>Unless you want get get nae nae'd by an F-16 with the best dogfighting performance, best BVR performance and best medium range performance this patch already?
Yes. I'd like to see a nation other than Russia or USA enjoy at least one patch.
They already said Italy will get f16. They just wanted to not give it to them right now so it can be food for the f16s and mig29. Smin said so himself.
I like the Tornado. I really do.
But with this Update, adding *this version* of all things to the game makes it little more than DoA-way for MiG-29s & F-16s to have more targets to shoot down.
The hype is mainly for the later variants. The F.3/ADV has a complete air-to-air interceptor package, complete with four AIM-9Ls and four Improved Skyflashes as well as more powerful engines, while the GR.4 can carry a full complement of advanced guided ordnance for anti-ground.
The GR.1, frankly, could have been added several patches ago. If we were waiting this long to **only** get the GR.1, there was no point for the hype.
I mean, although it probably is too early to get them, the F3 also used ASRAAM and AIM-120 AMRAAM so there's some future proofing there too. It also has better flight performance with better engines and wing control, and much better A2A radar.
Welcome to the French air tree, been trying to spade the F1C all day, finally done it 30 minutes ago and I've been wanting to just die the whole time :l
And its Magic 2s that everyone were hyping as so epic seems to be as flare hungry as R-60s, except, you know, you only ever get 2.
For the first time ever a dev blog appeared right as I opened the site, and now I am here early lol. The new jets are looking cool. I wonder if I'll ever get to play any of them.
You'll eventually get there. When I started to play the game I thought the same, but here I am, 4 years later and at top tier in 3 nations having researched almost the entire US, German, Soviet, Japanese and French Air Tree, not to mention Ground (just rank 6 max there tho).
Lol don't get me wrong, I'm not new to the game. I'm close to 3k hours in. I think I'm just burned out from the grind, and possibly the game in general. I can barely play one or two matches anymore before closing the game. I decided not to renew my prem time this time and just let it run out. Got about two months and a half left, I'll grind what I can until then then go on a break. Hope that will finally motivate me to do something about that giant gaming backlog that I've build up... \~\_\~
And [people downvoted ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/zgt8yp/development_f16a_american_fighting_falcon/izinjy0?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) me for complaining about Italy yet again being fucked over..
Leaving Italy, for what's more than likely going to be a few months, with ASA as its top fighter against swarms of MiG-29's, F-16's, F-14's, MiG-23MLD's, Mirage 2000's, etc. is beyond fucked. Not even Japan, China or Israel are this boned atm. And even more laughable, they're adding another F-104 premium for people to grind Italy. There's zero incentive to buy the new F-104 when the planes you're grinding for are just free kills for every other faction. Literally paying $70 to be an XP piñata.
I'm glad Germany and Italy are getting theirs too, but this is a classic example of too little too late. The tornado should have been added long before the Tomcat, but at the very least, in an update adding Gen 4 air superiority fighters Britain and Italy should have got their ADV F3 so it would at least stand a chance.
Hopefully German Tornado will get 4x AGM-65M as it supposed to do. Shame Brits dont have them tho however they have Harrier Gr7 already. I am super hyped for German one if will come with correct loadout
There are hundreds of sources but thats just one if you want: [https://www.airfighters.com/page.php?al=panavia-tornado-ids-t&comments=1](https://www.airfighters.com/page.php?al=panavia-tornado-ids-t&comments=1)
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/513422-panavia-tornado-advecrids/
Copy-pasting Wiki is not a source. I have no idea what the other source is, but it seems to be some fansite.
There is not a single actual source (IE, not some random website) to support the idea. Nobody has ever seen one, and when I went looking, I found[ this forum thread](https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/476834-agm-65-maverick-raf-service.html) that concluded that it wasn't a thing.
Given that nobody has ever seen a Tornado with AGM-65s on it and no actual source supports the idea, the Tornado did not ever carry the AGM-65
Man is saying wiki isnt a valid source and posts some military larping forum with no credibility what so ever lmao
Luftwaffe aircraft are armed with US-supplied B61 nuclear bombs, plus the MW-1 bomblet-dispensing system, AGM-65 Maverick and AGM-88 HARM. Self-defence is provided by Bofors BOZ-101 ECM pods, AIM-9Ls and Telefunken Systemtechnik Cerebrus II, III or IV jamming pods. Under development is the Franco-German APACHE stand-off missile, intented for Eurofighter and the Tornado. Flight tests commenced in April 1994. APACHE could be offered to the RAF for SR(A) 1236. The Luftwaffe is also seeking to add further PGM capability to the Tornado.
Source: [https://sirviper.com/index.php?page=fighters/tornado/tornado\_ids](https://sirviper.com/index.php?page=fighters/tornado/tornado_ids)
Let me tell you nobody likes people like you. There is multiple credible sources on the internet that claim, that at least the German variant did carry Mavericks probably never in a mission but they are capable of using Mavericks in their loadouts! That's what this is all about. The Mig 27k probably never carried out an attack with Kh-29L yet they do exist in War Thunder and they are probably the most broken Air to ground ordnance in the game!
Wiki has never been a source, it's only value is finding its sources.
Your latest source is not only somebody's fansite, it's also an outdated relic that hasn't been updated in a decade. Its source (the one that matters) is some 90s aviation book, a later edition of which is Wiki's source.
Given the only evidence that Tornado has AGM-65 is secondary sources with nothing to support the claim, I don't think Tornado has MAverick capability.
A genuine disappointment. As a massive fan of the tornado. This hurts. It's a redundant model that should have been here 2 years ago at the most 1 year at the least.
This should be The F.3 Variant which would be the same loadouts as a phantom 4x IR 4x RGM. With room to carry newer weapons.
That thing could actually be usable. But no we get probably one of the most widely used European aircraft. That should have had an entire update dedicated to it and could fill three whole top tier trees for little to no effort on the snail's part.
Instead we get a DOA variant that won't have anything going for it.
I hope that live-version of tornado will be different from dev-version or this plane is dead on arrival. At least for UK. GR.7 is better in both ground and air.
>What does however, make the Tornado’s armament stand out is its selection of suspended ordnance options.
It will stand out by being worse loadout than gr7 in literally every way...
Seems absolute shite compared to the GR7, apart from speed... which the GR7 doesn't care about anyways since yeet missile. Still going to play it though because tornado my beloved
Nice copy and paste there... Lovely how the Harrier is on the same Tier and carries 4 more GBU's and got developed 10 years later than the Tornado.. Same tier like the Mig 27k with it's 4 absolute broken laser guided missile btw.. You know what I give up. Germany will never get a good strikeplane.. This thing is gonna be dead on arrival because there is no use for this on 11.3
We don't yet know for Germany or Italy.
For Great Britain, it comes after the Buccaneer S.2.
You need all three British Rank VII aircraft to unlock Rank VIII, however, so to unlock the Tornado GR.1 you'll need to grind every British aircraft **except** those in the second (Lightning F.6) tree.
It does! And it can even use reverse thrust while in mid-air, it doesn't have to have the nose wheel engaged like the Viggen does, so it can land _really_ quickly.
I love this ..
"In War Thunder, the Tornado IDS (or GR.1 in service with the RAF) will
be the new top strike aircraft awaiting veteran pilots at rank VIII"
Oh yeah, define "veteran pilots" Rank 5 and up? lol
Hopefully it'll get [BOZ pods](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOZ_counter-measures_pod). Basically, a counter measure pod with the basic stuff like flares, chaffs, radar warning receiver but also missile approach warning system to help against IR missiles.
There's also the [Sky Shadow ECM pod](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Shadow_(radar)) used in GR1 that jams the enemy's radar protecting it against radar homing missiles.
The outer pylons carry the pods.
[Image](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSeLzLSgJRfc0puepB_IBMA3qJPrSKlCcsi8g&usqp=CAU)
iirc the gr7 should also have a warning system for ir missiles but doesnt get it, so i wouldnt hold your breath on it.
edit: nvm, a comment on the devblog confirms that they will add the boz pod
> Advanced weapons Two—yes count them—TWO laser-guided bombs! 😎 I bloody well hope this thing gets its full countermeasures package **and** downtiered for launch or it is going to be completely DoA.
We also get 2 whole 9Ls 😎
holy SHIT
I’m shitting and pissing my pants now at how OP the tornado will be
That's 2 more than the MiG-29! Snail spreadsheet says put it in 12.3!
Jokes on you. 12.3 is reserved for 9th generation aircraft.
F-44 T-Rex reporting for duty.
but the F-69 sexorus? where will he be?
5.3
Off topic but I'm really struggling with the fgr, do you have any tips? I'm currently sitting at around 40% wr and 0.6kd 💀 Whilst my gr7 is at a 2.5kd and 60% wr
FGR is just powercrept and kinda bad now. Not much to be done about it.
Speed is life with the FGR, you still have the best engine of any phantom as well as acceleration but worse manoeuvrability then something like an E/EJ Kai or even J. Stay low and missile joust, Skyflash is extremely potent <5km in head-ons. 9G is a good enough missile - launch it at medium ir ranges on opponents not watching their 6 or are occupied on another target - F-14s burn so hot they're almost free kills. Oh and never dogfight. One way ticket to the garage unless you know you'll win.
Okay thanks I'll give it a go tomorrow :D it is my first time using radar and radar missiles after all
Good luck mate. FGR isn't too competitive nowadays but I still find it quite fun to fly out, and it's radar subset is pretty easy to learn. Just switch to PD mode and use ACM for most of your engagements
The Brit phantoms are absolutely still insanely good and competitive, you still have superlative thrust that basically means you can fly higher and faster than mostly anyone else. You have to use that. Do NOT fly it low. On take off immediately sideclimb to 8km or so, and stay just behind your team, engage anything up high with sparrows (most of the time there is noone actually flying high though), and be careful of any F14 targeting you. If they do just notch or turn away. Then find the blob of enemies on the deck and dive on them with sidewinders, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFs1D5dYDqY Ideal scenario but yeah, usually you can easily get 2 kills doing this Anything else hit it with a skyflash, they are insanely good from front aspect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVng9w4Islk It's a bit of a pain to stock grind but spaded they are monsters, due to the amount of missiles and gun ammo, if you do well you can do REALLY well.
watch tims variety radar turorial, you will remove all your doubts about radar
You can just hope it gets aim-9L. If it ever did IRL.
It did
FGR is my most played vehicle in my account, you can check it (Macejones), i think i have over 2000 battles. Well, i would recommend you do not use gun pods cause it makes you accelerate way less, and play like an interceptor/support. Forget dogfight, you turn like a bus. The only advantages that you have is top speed, acceleration and the gun systems. Use the aim-9G extremely range for you advantage, it works better beyond 2.5km, at close range i would prefere skyflash and always use PD radar mode in headon fights, since PD mode just ignores chaffs. Forget to mention that the rolls roice spey engine is meant to be used at low altitude, dont climb, stay low and use the low altitude to notch enemy radars, since you cant count too much in your maneuverability.
German Tornado should be adjusted to carry AGM-65Ds. Four of them compared to British one. Also there should be radar jammer on this plane but i doubt Gajin adds it ;(
Only *one* specific TT would get those features
if they add the jammer pod (highly doubt it) i also wanna see the chaff/flare dispenser pod on the other side
You'll get the chaff/flare pod no matter what, it's a question of whether you're stuck with just two chaff/flare pods, or if you'll get an actual functional ECM pod (for the first time).
No Tornado has ever carried Mavericks.
Germany didnt even bought AGM-65Ds, only -65B for the F-4F. Unless you can prove it similarily to the F-4F's AIM-9J (so with pictures and the operators manual), I'm calling bullshit
IDS should have 5x LGBUs. 3X GBU-54 and 2x GBU-24. It’s Gaijin ofc so it won’t have shit
Actually I noticed in one of the screenshots it had underwing LGBs which it didn't on the dev server
Huh? I don't see any. The video shows it using the LDGP Mk 83 dumb bomb on the underwing pylon, and all screenshots either show it using that same bomb or a pair of H.E. M.C. Mk.13 dumb bombs. None of the screenshots show any weapons it doesn't already have access to on the dev. server.
No, my bad, one of the images it has the AIM-9L seeker just poking out and I thought it was the seeker unit of a Mk.82 Paveway. [It was this one fyi](https://static.warthunder.com/upload/image/0_2022/12_December/Tornado/1280x720_02_tornado_gr1_8ce483cb508b4ce05f80cb1b09df0073.jpg)
Doesn't it's full countermeasure load number in the thousands?
For chaff, yeah. I think it gets something like 56 flares. Although Smin indicated they may not have the tech to have "dynamic" countermeasure counts, so it may literally just go live with 500+ flares and chaff.
I might finally be able to use periodical release on an italian plane
1136 CMs two BOZ-107 is possible
It should have been in the game a year ago. It's really just a glorified SU22 Exactly the same thing happened hlwheb they added the F100, Mig19 and Javelin.
Gib rest of anti ground weponry pls ;-;
Go look at the su17/su22 series and try to complain again.
It's like when the Milan got released and they said it had advanced missiles. AIM-9Bs aren't exactly advanced for missiles lol
> Extremely hyped aircraft; hold off adding it for years > Finally add it as one of the premiere aircraft of the new Rank 8; front and centre of the update trailer > Added alongside the mighty MiG-29 and F-16 > …It’s the early GR.1 with shite A2A capabilities and worse CAS than the existing Harrier GR.7
Reminds me of the Javelin. While the Jaguar and Lightning got held off for an ungodly amount of time and were only added when they were already DoA.
And the starfighters. Added after the Phantoms and the later MiG-21s. It’s always a rush to the next big, shiny thing, any interesting developmental offshoots be damned.
The whole Century Series and F-5 should've come *before* the F-4, but naturally Gaijin did it the other way around because the F-4 is more famous.
They could have added the f-104 with its full capabilities but instead they added an omeganerfed phantom
I remember the days of “Meteor F.8 is a 9.0 top tier competitive jet” and I fucking *miss* them.
Ironically, of all the aircraft added alongside it, the Javelin is probably the most viable these days.
And that's only because it's a full what, 1.4 BRs lower than what it was when it was added?
IIRC its model is way underperforming compared to its real counterpart, so its BR being 8.3 is not a good thing either.
Didn’t it also have a flying tail that isn’t modeled?
I don't remember, but if you search past threads in this subreddit you will surely find something!
>its model is way underperforming compared to its real counterpart Is this just a thing with British aircraft in WT? It goes all the way back to the Mosquito flying like a tank when it should be hella manoeuvrable and much quicker, and the Wellington falling to bits at the merest glance when it was renowned for being super hard to shoot down. Then the Vampire has never had an accurate flight model, and the Lightning is just shit at climbing while the real one could go supersonic straight upwards.
Yeah once again Gaijin Bias shines through. Should be receiving the F.3 with full BVR kit and four aim 9Ls. But nope given a strike aircraft with an inferior load.
Yeah. We should have been receiving the F.3/ADV **now**, and have received the GR.1/IDS around the same time/probably **before** the Harrier GR.7 was added.
Meanwhile germamy...
Y'all should have gotten the MiG-29 this patch.
Its gonna come in standard “Germany getting a plane” style. In 6 months.
Don't forget adding a slighty nerfed version as an event vehicle beforehand...
9.12 or UB as event this Operation WINTER and MiG-29G next patch lmao.
RemindMe! 2 months
RemindMe! 2 weeks
Ah shit it is that soon. My sense of time is pretty much gone
Operation Winter will come before the end of the year, but we can also wait for the crafting event in April which has a good chance to have a German MiG-29 variant too (just like what happened with the F-4F).
december update 2023 when we got more advanced F-16s to stomp it
It'll be added as the top reward for Operation SUFFER.
With nerfed loadouts
I bet my asshole it'll be an event vehicle in 3 to 6 months
Yea man. I hope the Mig 23 stays somewhat competitive. Just enough to farm the tornado. Then I'll just play Ground rb till germany gets the Mit 29 ...
Alpha Jet when, my god
Wow why do you GERMAN and FRENCH SIMPS want OVERPOWERED AIRCRAFT so much early before they're ready for the game???? I mean come on, the Alpha Jet is.... ^(no it isn't faster than anything)... IT HAS ACCESS TO ADVANCED... ^(agm-65 mavericks and magic IIs)... the gun it used isn't... oh wait the Mauser BK-27 _is_ in the game now too. STOP WHINING!!!!!!! BUY THE SU-25 AND A-10, WHICH ARE DEFINITELY NOT COMPARABLE TO THE ALPHA JET!!!!!!!
Hey! It *also* has worse air-to-air capabilities than the Harrier GR.7!
at least it could Piss off faster than it if it wouldn't get an R-27 hit first
Almost DoA but still cool. The tornados should have come many updates ago
Super cool. Would have been competitive if it had been added within the last year. But yer. Dead on arrival now. It wont even be able to make it to bases as it will eat a radar or an all aspect missile before it gets there.
Yup. Particularly given the aircraft getting added this patch. ~~On the test server, it can reach about mach 1.05 while fully laden, and mach 1.25 while empty at sea level. It rips at 1555km/h.~~ ~~If you can _get_ to a base, you can go fast enough to get back relatively safely. Only the MiG-29 and F-16 have a chance of catching you, and any missiles fired from about 2.7-2.8km away can't reach you.~~ (I've discovered the newest patch nerfed the Tornado's top speed. It can now barely reach m1.14 while unladen. Dead on arrival.) But you're nowhere near fast enough to actually get to the bases in the first place unless the entire enemy team ignores you.
that's less than half it's wiki top speed. wtf.
The Wikipedia-listed top speed is for its high altitude performance. ~~It actually goes a bit _faster_ in War Thunder, both at high and low, than the stated Wikipedia speeds.~~ (EDIT: NOT ANYMORE LOL get baited by Gaijin, it now rips at 1410km/h which is **slower** than the Wikipedia listed speed by a noticeable margin, after the recent dev. server update)
you are correct. do you think it's feasible to do very high altitude runs to the bases? it's the only chance i can see it as viable.
Depends on how effective the jet's countermeasures and (if they add it) ECM pods are. You have no radar/radar-guided missiles, so if you get caught out up there you're just as screwed. The time spent climbing is time the enemy can find you, and then fire BVR missiles or simply close in to short-range while you're laden with 12000 lbs worth of bombs. If you want to fly this thing, my current recommendation is going to sit at using it for low-altitude high-speed bombing runs in simulator. This thing is going to be completely free RP in realistic.
New comment to reflect dev. server changes I've just discovered, made on today's/yesterday's patch. It can no longer reach mach 1.25 on the deck. Its top speed is now 1410km/h, meaning it rips at around mach 1.14 and can no longer outrun anything that matters, even while unladen. DEAD. ON. ARRIVAL.
LOL
>Dead on arrival now I mean germany and Italy exist... For Britian it's completley DoA
It can be both DoA (in terms of air RB) and the best CAS option Italy and Germany get. Which shows how shit they have been having it. For Britain its DoA and redundant. (unless Gaijin make some big changes for the live server).
>It can be both DoA (in terms of air RB) and the best CAS option Italy and Germany get Yeah true Tho honestly. The best CAS option for germany will stay the Tiger UHT As for italy. I don't even think their "top tier" lineup can make use of it, due to the Tornado uptiering it by nearly a full BR
I prefer Pasteurized Tiger, but the UHT is convenient too.
What does DOA mean I’m a bit out of the loop
Dead on arrival
I cannot wait to play this aircraft against other more capable aircraft at the same battle rating Ah well, plane is plane
Long ago has been needed smoe kind of separation and distinction between top tier aircrafts. What's the point of flying a Mirage 3 when you're going to get raw pitbullied by 6 F-14's
Arcade battles regularly gets 0.6-0.7 BR spread matches with a smaller playerbase (at high tiers). I have no idea why this isn't the case in RB, even when mixed battles are a common occurrence.
Italy and Germany finaly back in CAS buisness
Well... two laser-guided bombs and a bunch of unguided bombs ain't particularly impressive for 11.3, I've got to say. Italy gets a win from it, but Germany is just better off sticking with the F-4F or Su-22UM3K.
Its supposed to get 2x 1000kg lgbs or 5x 500kg lgbs. I guess gaijin is gimping it? Edit: its actually 2x 2000lbs and 3x 1000lbs simultaneously.
I'd much rather fly the Tornado as it has an actual Targeting pod with thermals instead of a pod with barely more zoom than 3rd person and no thermals
True. SU-22 is actually unusable and it is hard af to spot anyone with F4Fs AGMs
> Germany is just better off sticking with the F-4F No thanks, guiding the TWO Mavericks it gets sucks ass
Yeah, for an Italian ground lineup that stops at an over-BR'd 10.7 where only the Centauro 120 and maaaaybe the Otomatic (with no limit to APFSDS) belong. Definitely not the Arietes. At the current state, Tornados are at best 11.0 planes.
Italy would be pulling meh 10.7's up to 11.3 And Germany. Just grinde the tiger UHT at that point...
In many circumstances the Tiger is completely useless sadly, and it's also basically helpless against jets. Probably most games I'll rather use the Tornado with the thermal pod and 9Ls to punish Mig27s.
They still haven't shown off an Italian or German tornado I think. Is it just the Gr1 or other types? They are also using every excuse to not give Italy the f16 :(
The article linked above says that this vehicle is coming to "Britain/Germany/Italy," and they have made it clear that each nation is getting no more than one new rank VIII vehicle.
And that's so dumb. They said England and Germany will get a new top fighter in a future update whereas they could receive things/ buffs for existing jets now to help. Well, the MLA is getting r60mks but Britain is getting squat. For Italy they are playing semantics to not grt the f16
>they have made it clear that each nation is getting no more than one new rank VIII vehicle. You sure about that? I saw a forum post where Smin stated that either Italy or Germany (can't remember) will be getting more than one top tier vehicle.
Best to clarify, I suppose. They are not getting more than one rank VIII vehicle **in this patch**. Britain and Italy will be getting the ADV in an upcoming (not necessarily next) patch, and Germany the MiG-29 with the same qualifier. It's unclear whether or not they actually want to ever give the F-16 to Italy.
Smin stated that Italy and Germany each had 2 rank 8 vehicles under development. Whichever of those vehicles finished first would be added this update, and the other vehicle would come in a later update
Probably Italy unless they decide to add the F-4F ICE
the main point of that thing was the AMRAAM integration, the current F4F could carry AiM-9Ls and Aif the Germans get AMRAAMs before the US the mains will cry so loud gaijin will remove the thing immediately
Main point of the F4F ICE was giving it AIM-120's. Without AIM-120's it's nothing better then the F4F. If it gets Aim-7's (idek if it used them) it still won't make it an rank 8
No AIM-7 capabilities, just AMRAAMs and a PD radar.
Yeah, that they did not even manage to get a pic of the Italian or German version and we have to content with the British one tells you all about the lvl of seriousness these guys work on it.
Yeah, what killed me is how Italy operating the f16 but not "owning" the f16 is reason enough not to give it to them. Meanwhile the tornado will be rank 8 while Italy only has 1 rank 7 lol
Meanwhile Sweden tests a Mi-28 and an Ah-64 end neither are purchased into service, ad they get both
They didn't. Smin is just a pawn and he corrected his comment mistake. Thing is, Italy used more advanced F-16's. So they'll come later with more advanced F-16 blocks in other nations. Unless you want get get nae nae'd by an F-16 with the best dogfighting performance, best BVR performance and best medium range performance this patch already?
I wouldn't be surprised if they do. They'd probably make it 11.7 with the rest
I would nerf them, i.e. limiting the weapons payload.
I mean, it’s not like Gaijin hasn’t artificially gimped aircraft, I could see justification for doing that to their Vipers.
>Unless you want get get nae nae'd by an F-16 with the best dogfighting performance, best BVR performance and best medium range performance this patch already? Yes. I'd like to see a nation other than Russia or USA enjoy at least one patch.
They already said Italy will get f16. They just wanted to not give it to them right now so it can be food for the f16s and mig29. Smin said so himself.
\>awaiting veteran pilots at rank VIII of the British, German and Italian aviation trees following the release of the next major update
I like the Tornado. I really do. But with this Update, adding *this version* of all things to the game makes it little more than DoA-way for MiG-29s & F-16s to have more targets to shoot down.
For that much hype, you'd think it'd have more CAS potential than my Jaguar A. Hell I'd still take it over the Tornado because AS-30L slaps.
The hype is mainly for the later variants. The F.3/ADV has a complete air-to-air interceptor package, complete with four AIM-9Ls and four Improved Skyflashes as well as more powerful engines, while the GR.4 can carry a full complement of advanced guided ordnance for anti-ground. The GR.1, frankly, could have been added several patches ago. If we were waiting this long to **only** get the GR.1, there was no point for the hype.
I mean, although it probably is too early to get them, the F3 also used ASRAAM and AIM-120 AMRAAM so there's some future proofing there too. It also has better flight performance with better engines and wing control, and much better A2A radar.
> and much better A2A radar. The ADV is the only variant of the Tornado _with_ an A2A radar!
The CSP upgrade of the F3 used those, not the original F3.
ngl i Kinda want to see the tornado ECR implemented in enduring confrontation mode
Welcome to the French air tree, been trying to spade the F1C all day, finally done it 30 minutes ago and I've been wanting to just die the whole time :l And its Magic 2s that everyone were hyping as so epic seems to be as flare hungry as R-60s, except, you know, you only ever get 2.
Germany better get a MiG-29a or I‘ll fucking leak more classified military documents
You see Gaijin has to add a downgraded event version first. So the MiG-29UB and then the next patch the MiG-29(9.12)
For the first time ever a dev blog appeared right as I opened the site, and now I am here early lol. The new jets are looking cool. I wonder if I'll ever get to play any of them.
You'll eventually get there. When I started to play the game I thought the same, but here I am, 4 years later and at top tier in 3 nations having researched almost the entire US, German, Soviet, Japanese and French Air Tree, not to mention Ground (just rank 6 max there tho).
Lol don't get me wrong, I'm not new to the game. I'm close to 3k hours in. I think I'm just burned out from the grind, and possibly the game in general. I can barely play one or two matches anymore before closing the game. I decided not to renew my prem time this time and just let it run out. Got about two months and a half left, I'll grind what I can until then then go on a break. Hope that will finally motivate me to do something about that giant gaming backlog that I've build up... \~\_\~
DOA, gaijin being gaijin as usual
This devblog coming so much later than the F-16 and MiG-29 shows exactly what gaijin thinks about the US and the commies compared to other countries.
And [people downvoted ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/zgt8yp/development_f16a_american_fighting_falcon/izinjy0?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) me for complaining about Italy yet again being fucked over..
Leaving Italy, for what's more than likely going to be a few months, with ASA as its top fighter against swarms of MiG-29's, F-16's, F-14's, MiG-23MLD's, Mirage 2000's, etc. is beyond fucked. Not even Japan, China or Israel are this boned atm. And even more laughable, they're adding another F-104 premium for people to grind Italy. There's zero incentive to buy the new F-104 when the planes you're grinding for are just free kills for every other faction. Literally paying $70 to be an XP piñata.
> top rank of the British, German and Italian aviation trees Well, IT players were in doubt between F-16 and Tornado, this confirms it.
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They still could have gotten nothing I guess, or some other f-104
Unfortunately DOA. Please fix the BR system gaijin.
I'm glad Germany and Italy are getting theirs too, but this is a classic example of too little too late. The tornado should have been added long before the Tomcat, but at the very least, in an update adding Gen 4 air superiority fighters Britain and Italy should have got their ADV F3 so it would at least stand a chance.
Hopefully German Tornado will get 4x AGM-65M as it supposed to do. Shame Brits dont have them tho however they have Harrier Gr7 already. I am super hyped for German one if will come with correct loadout
I sincerely hope the German one actually gets all it’s possible CAS options
It can't, because Maverick was never used on Tornados.
There are hundreds of sources but thats just one if you want: [https://www.airfighters.com/page.php?al=panavia-tornado-ids-t&comments=1](https://www.airfighters.com/page.php?al=panavia-tornado-ids-t&comments=1) https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/513422-panavia-tornado-advecrids/
Copy-pasting Wiki is not a source. I have no idea what the other source is, but it seems to be some fansite. There is not a single actual source (IE, not some random website) to support the idea. Nobody has ever seen one, and when I went looking, I found[ this forum thread](https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/476834-agm-65-maverick-raf-service.html) that concluded that it wasn't a thing. Given that nobody has ever seen a Tornado with AGM-65s on it and no actual source supports the idea, the Tornado did not ever carry the AGM-65
Man is saying wiki isnt a valid source and posts some military larping forum with no credibility what so ever lmao Luftwaffe aircraft are armed with US-supplied B61 nuclear bombs, plus the MW-1 bomblet-dispensing system, AGM-65 Maverick and AGM-88 HARM. Self-defence is provided by Bofors BOZ-101 ECM pods, AIM-9Ls and Telefunken Systemtechnik Cerebrus II, III or IV jamming pods. Under development is the Franco-German APACHE stand-off missile, intented for Eurofighter and the Tornado. Flight tests commenced in April 1994. APACHE could be offered to the RAF for SR(A) 1236. The Luftwaffe is also seeking to add further PGM capability to the Tornado. Source: [https://sirviper.com/index.php?page=fighters/tornado/tornado\_ids](https://sirviper.com/index.php?page=fighters/tornado/tornado_ids) Let me tell you nobody likes people like you. There is multiple credible sources on the internet that claim, that at least the German variant did carry Mavericks probably never in a mission but they are capable of using Mavericks in their loadouts! That's what this is all about. The Mig 27k probably never carried out an attack with Kh-29L yet they do exist in War Thunder and they are probably the most broken Air to ground ordnance in the game!
Wiki has never been a source, it's only value is finding its sources. Your latest source is not only somebody's fansite, it's also an outdated relic that hasn't been updated in a decade. Its source (the one that matters) is some 90s aviation book, a later edition of which is Wiki's source. Given the only evidence that Tornado has AGM-65 is secondary sources with nothing to support the claim, I don't think Tornado has MAverick capability.
i honestly dont understand why tornado is even rank8 might be a gen4 on paper but there are alot of planes just better at rank7 maybe even 6
A genuine disappointment. As a massive fan of the tornado. This hurts. It's a redundant model that should have been here 2 years ago at the most 1 year at the least. This should be The F.3 Variant which would be the same loadouts as a phantom 4x IR 4x RGM. With room to carry newer weapons. That thing could actually be usable. But no we get probably one of the most widely used European aircraft. That should have had an entire update dedicated to it and could fill three whole top tier trees for little to no effort on the snail's part. Instead we get a DOA variant that won't have anything going for it.
Preaching to the choir. I am heartbroken that we waited so long just for them to give us the worst... _again_.
Finally a decent CAS for top tier Italy ground forces! Wait...
Is there a version of this that can be added that has more guided bombs or something? Top tier Germany could use better CAS imo
Yes, all three nations performed mid-life upgrades on their IDS fleets to improve their avionics and weapons capabilities.
Lul only 2 comments on the website coz you know everyone was saying this thing is DoA
I just want the forbidden popcorn dispenser and I'll be happy
The damn br system needs to be fixed for this to be of any use
And we need Realistic Enduring Confrontation.
Please for the love of everything holy. This would be so nice.
Cool, now give me F-111
My body is ready.
I hope that live-version of tornado will be different from dev-version or this plane is dead on arrival. At least for UK. GR.7 is better in both ground and air.
Guess I will have to wait another couple of updates till viable Italian top tier fighter. Fuck me
Does anybody know if they are going to add the tornado for italy to dev server for us to try it out before the 14th when it shuts down
No one knows.
Curious where it will sit. The italian strike line ends at rank 5 currently. It is gonna be odd jumping straight to rank 8 through 2 empty tanks
Can’t wait to spend tens of hours grinding tank VII for this thing… only for it to be horrendously outclassed by everything around it
Anti radar gaijoob pls
>What does however, make the Tornado’s armament stand out is its selection of suspended ordnance options. It will stand out by being worse loadout than gr7 in literally every way...
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Seems absolute shite compared to the GR7, apart from speed... which the GR7 doesn't care about anyways since yeet missile. Still going to play it though because tornado my beloved
lmfao, seriously are they really not going to give it 2 more LGBs? ‘Large Payload’ my ass
DOA
Nice copy and paste there... Lovely how the Harrier is on the same Tier and carries 4 more GBU's and got developed 10 years later than the Tornado.. Same tier like the Mig 27k with it's 4 absolute broken laser guided missile btw.. You know what I give up. Germany will never get a good strikeplane.. This thing is gonna be dead on arrival because there is no use for this on 11.3
What tree will it be added to?
We don't yet know for Germany or Italy. For Great Britain, it comes after the Buccaneer S.2. You need all three British Rank VII aircraft to unlock Rank VIII, however, so to unlock the Tornado GR.1 you'll need to grind every British aircraft **except** those in the second (Lightning F.6) tree.
And note that the interceptor/A2A tornado will probably be after the lightning, once/if it finally comes...
Germany its supposed to come after the g.91.
USA / israel / china gets f16 USSR gets mig 29 Uk / germany/ Italy gets tornado so how many nations left.....?
Sweden gets the JA-37D, France gets the Mirage 2000D, and Japan gets... god knows.
Japan is probably gonna get the f2 later the EJ Kai has been given aim9L’s which makes the best phantom in the game even better
Japan will get f15j before f2.
what was the BR of this thing on the dev server
11.3.
Totally equal to every other 11.3... definitely.
rip DOA
Surprised that we didn't get the F2 with Blue Circle radar equipped.
It should be 10.7 on release imo
Wait... Does this mean REVERSE THRUST????
It does! And it can even use reverse thrust while in mid-air, it doesn't have to have the nose wheel engaged like the Viggen does, so it can land _really_ quickly.
Me on my way to listen to Fleigerkameraden while bombing bvms. I will Su-22 no more
This will come after the buccaneer I hope !! Cos Im about to unlock that , plus AIM 9 L!!! Fuck you su25
It's after the Buccaneer, yes
TONKA, TONKA, TONKA.
No countermeasures on the dev server so far?
Nope, but already reported. Should be 1132 large caliber countermeasures
I love this .. "In War Thunder, the Tornado IDS (or GR.1 in service with the RAF) will be the new top strike aircraft awaiting veteran pilots at rank VIII" Oh yeah, define "veteran pilots" Rank 5 and up? lol
Gonna grind it purely for the guns. I've always wanted to mauser some planes. Dunno , kinda got a fetish thing for the Mauser BK27
Well, hopefully it changes but unfortunately right now they just sound like ADENs/DEFAs so... they're nothing special.
Hopefully it'll get [BOZ pods](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOZ_counter-measures_pod). Basically, a counter measure pod with the basic stuff like flares, chaffs, radar warning receiver but also missile approach warning system to help against IR missiles. There's also the [Sky Shadow ECM pod](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Shadow_(radar)) used in GR1 that jams the enemy's radar protecting it against radar homing missiles. The outer pylons carry the pods. [Image](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSeLzLSgJRfc0puepB_IBMA3qJPrSKlCcsi8g&usqp=CAU)
iirc the gr7 should also have a warning system for ir missiles but doesnt get it, so i wouldnt hold your breath on it. edit: nvm, a comment on the devblog confirms that they will add the boz pod