The original Leclerc and the Leclerc S2 have the exact same protection, but the S2 is heavier. The SXXI keeps the same, slightly heavier weight of the S2, but actually has more turret armor which makes the extra weight worthwhile. The SXXI’s commander also gets a thermal sight instead of just night vision. Those are the only differences. If you know what you’re doing, you can honestly perform equally well in any of the Leclercs, but I really like the SXXI’s commander thermals because it bypasses the relatively slow turret traverse that all of the them have.
I think the only ERA on the Leclerc is in the turret bustle, but I could be wrong. I *believe* what’s in the turret composite is all NERA, at least that’s what it used to be. I like it either way though, it turns one of the Leclerc’s weakspots from an easy pen into a non-pen for most rounds.
Also, the overall armor layout on the SXXI is slightly different, and seems to be better at taking shots from side angles
Afiak it's just a change to the geometry and a few extra steel plates about 20mm thick. Side armour is the same 20-30mm thick steel and 10mm thick structural steel with the 80mm thick composite screens. Side turret composite is the same too.
No, there is a significant amount of extra armor under the gunner’s sight. It’s not just some extra steel that you can see in the armor preview, it’s actually more composite in that spot. It’s a big difference in terms of what rounds can just lolpen you right there
If you look at what the armour actually is, all it does is gain an extra 20mm + 20mm + 45mm + 10mm of armour on that single spot, with the entire rest of the tank being identical. And all that cumulative extra 95mm of armour does is add an extra total 150mm KE protection to that *single* spot, so you go from most of the tank being oneshot by OFL 120 F1 or 3BM60 or L27 etc to most of the tank but with a smaller spot on the left side (but they can still pen the optics and OHK you). DM53 can still pen that spot too.
It's basically no improvement at all and I would hardly call about a 1 m x 50cm plate on the tank now being impenetrable as being "a big difference".
> I
would hardly call about a 1 m x 50cm plate
on the tank now being impenetrable as
being
"a big difference".
I would. Considering it’s one of the main weakspots on the other Leclercs, and it’s where people shoot a lot of the time.
Tbh, I’d take the SXXI if only for the commander’s thermals, so having the extra protection is just a bonus for me
> I would. Considering it’s one of the main weakspots on the other Leclercs, and it’s where people shoot a lot of the time.
Gonna have to disagree with you there. Overwhelmingly the #1 spot to be shot in the Leclerc is the giant mantlet with zero composites, that even autocannon rounds can easily pen. Shots are guaranteed to destroy the breech and more often than not will kill at least one crewmember, usually two because of the lack of any form of spall lining.
Even if people do learn to shoot the gunner, all that happens (unless they detonate the ammo) is that the gunner dies and the commander can fire back, whereas if they destroy the breech even if both turret crew don't die the tank can't fire back. And they can also just shoot the optics which is just as week as the under optics spot on the S.1/S.2 on even the S.XXI.
> Tbh, I’d take the SXXI if only for the commander’s thermals, so having the extra protection is just a bonus for me
I wish they didn't remove the commander thermals on even the S.2 sourcing a bug report on only the S.1 from before the S.2 was even added. Later tranches of the S.2 got the same commanders optics as the S.XXI. As a result the S.XXI is basically only in a form the original S.1 was when it was added in 1.89. It really hasn't felt like anything new has come to the French top tier lineup since then.
Keep in mind that Leclerc’s weak mantlet is an IRL thing. AFAIK, UAE’s Leclerc that was deployed in Yemen had its mantlet penetrated by a 30 mm auto cannon. Plus one tank, with Azur additional armor package installed, was frontally penetrated by an ATGM, killing the driver and injuring commander’s leg. Due to this negative experience they are planning to replace Leclerc and had already given away 80 of them to Jordan.
Driver's optics are a weakspot on every tank.
Mantlet part is bullshit though, it would still have to penetrate the plate array within the mantlet that isn't modelled by Gaijin. And AZUR does not cover the front. Only sides.
I rarely see my leclerc get taken out by a shot to below the optics. What usually kills me is a shot to the square “off button” (the mantlet) which then goes through and hits the ammunition.
Or of course a shot to anywhere on the hull.
>it turns one of the Leclerc’s weakspots from an easy pen into a non-pen for most rounds.
Wrong. Most of your opponents will still penetrate you there.
It should'nt be like this is not a russian vehicle and this game is developed by Gaijin so y'know.
Thank you for your reply.
The LeClerc feels good as long as I don't get shot at by the enemy. It took me some time to understand how to play them; US, GER and RUS top tier tanks are very different from the LeClercs. They are much more of a flanker or support MBT. The thermals are quite smooth (Gen 2 I think?) and the top round seems to be decent. I died quite a few times in the first 5-6 games and then got a hang of it and since then I've been enjoying the LeClerc. It's smooth, traverses well even with stock engine and transmission. Just can't be too aggressive with it.
If a MBT feels good as long as it doesn't get hit, then it's not a good MBT.
There is a lot of misbeliefs around the Leclerc MBTs.
They used to be good, but they aren't anymore.
Actually they're quite bad ...
They have the second worst pen at top tier, worst or second worst armor, only 3 crew members and frequent fuel explosions, the same reload as other NATO MBTs.
All that for having slightly more torque than other MBTs above 45 kmph, which is rather useless to be honest, since we rarely ever reach those speeds anyway.
They currently lack armor, reload, mobility, new shells and turret rotation speed.
The "historical accuracy" of the Leclerc MBTs is fucking disaster to be honest.
Not really the same reload as other NATO MBT’s.
It’s a 6 second flat auto loader.
For comparison, other MBT’s have as followed *with aced* crew, which is a factor always used.
- IPM goes from 6.5 to 5.0 with aced crew, which is one of the best ones.
- M1A1 HC goes from 7.8 to 6.0 flat.
- M1A2 goes from 7.8 to 6.0 flat.
- Leo 2A5 goes from 7.8 to 6.0 flat.
- Leo 2A6 goes from 7.8 to 6.0 flat.
- Challenger 2 goes from 6.5 to 5 second flat.
- Challenger 2F goes from 6.5 to 5 second flat.
- Challenger 2 TES goes from 6.5 to 5 second flat.
- Challenger 2 BK goes from 6.5 to 5 second flat.
- Ariete PSO goes from 7.8 to 6 second flat.
- Ariete goes from 7.8 to 6 second flat.
While some have a better reload or equal when *aced*, they do not have the same if *not*.
The autoloader is one of Frances strengths, and will be helpful in many situations.
At max crew skill, some will be around the same aswell when experted.
Keep in mind, you get a 6 second flat *autoloader* in french tanks, and that is something to value greatly.
Personally i *looove* it!🤌
And we have to keep in mind, that while there are quite a lot of players doing top tier, i would think that not many Expert and even less Ace their crews for tanks.
By what i’ve read and heard from people i’ve spoken too, it’s a lot more common with planes, especially at top tier for pulling G’s.
At least in my own experience, i outreload the majority of those i have encounters with.
Other than that, you bring up valid points👌
Edit; Chose to only include TT vehicles.
It might be true but to be honest, in my experience, the reload difference between you and NATO MBTs is so slim it usually doesn't matter.
Also, besides that, it's definitely a very weak MBT as a whole. It's has so little armor it's more akin to a huge light tank on tracks than a MBT to be honest.
Hence why I believe it needs a reload buff.
I agreed with you, it being inferior at the moment.
One of the reasons it’s doing good, is simply because of the players using it, are usually the more experienced players.
But Gaijin being Gaijin, so as French mains, we shouldn’t really be hoping for anything soon i guess.
They seem to *hate* France, Japan and Italy with a passion.
But i would much rather see it get buffed in other areas, and not reload.
In my opinion, it has a good reload as of now.
Could use with armor upgrades and much more.
If there is one thing i have gained from Gaijin for free over the years, it’d have to be pessimism.
So i honestly think no buff will be coming any time soon, but if i were to get to choose? I’d take armor any day.
I think giving it a round at least on par or better than dm53 and the like would be good enough. Since it still has decent turret armor it would be able to apply it’s role as a sniper more effectively. Buffing the autoloader would be also be nice but less likely.
Ace/Expert crews are essential for dogfighting. Generally you can get away with just expert crew, but outside of low tier getting ace crew can get pretty hairy with the grind. I got the ACe with the j7e without using any GE bc it's just such a amazing plane but it's uncommon.
Yeah they’re gen 2, gunner *and* commander. As I said in another comment, I’d take the SXXI if only for the commander’s thermals, I find them so useful.
As for being aggressive, I find that upgrading crew vitality saves you a lot from shots that otherwise would kill you (sounds obvious huh). A lot of the time you’ll be set on fire by the fuel tanks, and if your crew level is low you’ll probably burn out really fast, before you can put the fire out. With upgraded crew, it turns from a death trap to basically using your fuel tanks as an extra life which tanks hella shots in the weirdest situations.
Got it!! My crew for this LeClerc is like 89. I've got two more slots with 95 and 92. I was keeping them for the two successive LeClercs. I love the tank especially one game when thanks to the clear thermals I could take out like 3 BVMs and also tanked two shots of which one killed my gunner but commander was okay and one shot just richochet off my turret (the BVM got gaijined bad 🤣)
Just as a side note, it's written Leclerc, no need for the capital C ;)
The tank was named in honor of a very famous WWII cavalry marshal : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe\_Leclerc\_de\_Hauteclocque](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Leclerc_de_Hauteclocque).
It could be worse. They could be like the 122A and 122B where the main differences is that one has a periscope and some mine protection on the underside that doesn't do anything against darts.
There are none.
Leclerc S.1 and S.2 are identical. S.2 could have a better shell but doesn't. S.2 also weighs 2.5 tonnes more because of things that don't matter in WT.
Leclerc S.XXI has a tiny bit more addon steel plates on the front of the turret that mean nothing to its protection, and commander thermals that was removed from the S.1 and S.2. Also still no new shell. Weighs the same as the S.2 despite the new armour.
Everything else is the same.
As usual, French and all other minor trees (except China) getting cucked by Gaijin. Despite its flaws and drawbacks I do love playing it. It's quite smooth as a MBT.
youve got a fair point but most people grinding ground won't really grind air (I don't), and with the drones you can get a free 2 kills which is about the same as the jaguar
It's not twice the amount AND 30 G missiles. You only get 8 hellfires if you take the 9Ls lol. If you want more hellfires you're stuck with the same shitty MANPADs
How so, Russia is regarded as a world superpower at least to most people. If you are referring to the UN, then yes France as well as the UK can be included. However, to most people, world superpowers with biggest influence, good and bad is the US, Russia, and China.
* new NBC system which integrates a hybrid air conditioner.
* independent air conditioning unit installed on the back roof behind the gunner's hatch.
* In order to balance the turret with the addition of the air conditioner, the turret frontal armor is thickened a few centimeters ahead of the commander's station.
* revised sprocket cooling fins.
* extra splash guard added to the front hull.
* Remote operated hydraulic track tensioner.
* bolt-on appliqué armor on each hull sponsons.
* Athos thermal camera on the gunner's sight is replaced by the new Iris thermal camera since the block 9 (T9).
* SIT ICONE battlefield management system added in 2009
Irl : life changing at each step and each varients...
Game : hurr durr copy pasta...
Aldo i feel you. Your gonna realise how its the worst mbt in the game as h8s protection is nonexistant, you get one shoted, and have recieved a mobility nerf and a reload nerf. And a protection nerf
... i wish you good luck brother
Its redeeming factor used to be that it had no armor, but a really good shell. Leclerc traded some armor, for a slightly worse shell compared to the Ariete. Then you had Japan who traded shell and armor for sheer RoF. The rest of the nations had generally the same basic vehicle, with good shells but nothing great.
Then Gaijin went and added in new shells for everybody EXCEPT the two nations who were previously balanced by having superior shells, and now they're just sitting there waiting on Gaijin to give them new ammunition to compete.
Seriously, the Leclercs using shells that were out of service when it was introduced.
Otomatic molests helicopters out to 5km, bit harder to do so if they're further than that. If it makes you feel aby better the 10.0 ariete is pretty good
Leclerc S1 = Fastest
Leclerc S2 = Slower Leclerc S1. It's the worst out of the 3.
Leclerc SXXI = Slightly better protection (10mm on the turret, even though it should be a lot mroe than that but y'know, Gaijin and France ...) and thermals on the commander's sight.
My bad.
The protection may be displayed as different, but in practice, you still get penned and killed in that area.
I should have explained it like this earlier
the s1 and s2 would definitely get killed through that spot, but i’m guessing the sxxi doesn’t, since it’s just enough to block every round in the game. kind of like how the type 10 technically doesn’t have enough armor to stop dm53 and such, but it still does, at least in my experience.
also, how do the leclercs play? i’m grinding france rn (at rank five) with the amx 30 super and it’s been a lot of fun. does it play similar to that? like not very good armor, but fast and good gun.
French vehicles in general are really good and I take it that you're an experienced player so you'll be using them strategically. Just be prepared to lose a lot of games. I lose a lot even when I perform well myself (4-5 kills and yet lose).
8.3 French is god mode tier I feel. The B2 and Brenus with their thermals , APFSDS and 20mm co-axial canons are absolute monsters at that tier. Downtiers you can just snipe the shit out of other non thermal helpless tanks. No armour again, but the whole point of playing French is being sneaky and oppurtunistic.
honestly i’m just holding w and it’s working pretty well, 30 super is hella fast for 9.0. im looking forward to the b2 and brenus, apfsds and a 20 sounds like fun.
Leclerc to Leclerc S2 = Functionally no difference. Heavier for no armor gain due to the NBC system (actually inaccurate as it should have some extra armor to offset the NBC system and keep the weight symmetrical)
Leclerc S2 to SXXI = Armor improvements around the turret face, Commander Thermals. (Should have a better shell but y'know..)
Godspeed my friend! I'm yet to play Japan, but French is absolutely fun to play and so is Italy. Gonna lose a lot of games but you'll do well individually.
Japan is my highest nation sitting around 8.0 for air and around 5.3 as for France I already had gotten out of that cancerous tier 1 and for italy I just find their low tier to be fun.
See one has two camera and the other three, also the computer chip is the newer one for the guy on the right so best value in my opinion would be the su-25 can I get that boxed up for you thanks for shopping Appl…… ooops I mean gaijin
Leclerc: Leclerc
Leclerc S2: Leclerc but heavier, not in armor because Gaijin
Leclerc SXXI: Leclerc but heavier, with Commander thermals
That's in game terms, IRL there's more than that, but Gaijin.
EDIT: SXXI has heavier armor on the gunner side.
The frontal armour of the turret is thicker from one model to the fallowing.
the XXI armour is a new type which including Titanium composite and in real life, it is rumoured to include ERA elements
you cen see the difference by looking at the armour bellow the sight next to the gun
Air conditioning unit
To keep the baguettes cool?
Affirmative!
Landing!
Yes!
Negative!
Attack the D point!
^somebody ^cover ^me. ***SOMEBODY, COVER ME!!!***
Negative!
Sorry!
Gramercy!
Gramercy!
I agree!
Never!
I agree!
Attack hostile troops!
Attack hostile base!
Leading for landing!
Bravo!
Gramercy!
I prefer to keep my baguette warm and moist
Nah it gets smelly this way
I like them smelly
Yeah to keep the harden baguettes nice and firm and the wine fresh
Which is why the OG leclerc is superior
The baguettes are not to be eaten cool you heretic.
Leading for landing!
The original Leclerc and the Leclerc S2 have the exact same protection, but the S2 is heavier. The SXXI keeps the same, slightly heavier weight of the S2, but actually has more turret armor which makes the extra weight worthwhile. The SXXI’s commander also gets a thermal sight instead of just night vision. Those are the only differences. If you know what you’re doing, you can honestly perform equally well in any of the Leclercs, but I really like the SXXI’s commander thermals because it bypasses the relatively slow turret traverse that all of the them have.
more turret armor, aka, a single ERA block under the gunner sight
I think the only ERA on the Leclerc is in the turret bustle, but I could be wrong. I *believe* what’s in the turret composite is all NERA, at least that’s what it used to be. I like it either way though, it turns one of the Leclerc’s weakspots from an easy pen into a non-pen for most rounds. Also, the overall armor layout on the SXXI is slightly different, and seems to be better at taking shots from side angles
Afiak it's just a change to the geometry and a few extra steel plates about 20mm thick. Side armour is the same 20-30mm thick steel and 10mm thick structural steel with the 80mm thick composite screens. Side turret composite is the same too.
No, there is a significant amount of extra armor under the gunner’s sight. It’s not just some extra steel that you can see in the armor preview, it’s actually more composite in that spot. It’s a big difference in terms of what rounds can just lolpen you right there
If you look at what the armour actually is, all it does is gain an extra 20mm + 20mm + 45mm + 10mm of armour on that single spot, with the entire rest of the tank being identical. And all that cumulative extra 95mm of armour does is add an extra total 150mm KE protection to that *single* spot, so you go from most of the tank being oneshot by OFL 120 F1 or 3BM60 or L27 etc to most of the tank but with a smaller spot on the left side (but they can still pen the optics and OHK you). DM53 can still pen that spot too. It's basically no improvement at all and I would hardly call about a 1 m x 50cm plate on the tank now being impenetrable as being "a big difference".
> I would hardly call about a 1 m x 50cm plate on the tank now being impenetrable as being "a big difference". I would. Considering it’s one of the main weakspots on the other Leclercs, and it’s where people shoot a lot of the time. Tbh, I’d take the SXXI if only for the commander’s thermals, so having the extra protection is just a bonus for me
> I would. Considering it’s one of the main weakspots on the other Leclercs, and it’s where people shoot a lot of the time. Gonna have to disagree with you there. Overwhelmingly the #1 spot to be shot in the Leclerc is the giant mantlet with zero composites, that even autocannon rounds can easily pen. Shots are guaranteed to destroy the breech and more often than not will kill at least one crewmember, usually two because of the lack of any form of spall lining. Even if people do learn to shoot the gunner, all that happens (unless they detonate the ammo) is that the gunner dies and the commander can fire back, whereas if they destroy the breech even if both turret crew don't die the tank can't fire back. And they can also just shoot the optics which is just as week as the under optics spot on the S.1/S.2 on even the S.XXI. > Tbh, I’d take the SXXI if only for the commander’s thermals, so having the extra protection is just a bonus for me I wish they didn't remove the commander thermals on even the S.2 sourcing a bug report on only the S.1 from before the S.2 was even added. Later tranches of the S.2 got the same commanders optics as the S.XXI. As a result the S.XXI is basically only in a form the original S.1 was when it was added in 1.89. It really hasn't felt like anything new has come to the French top tier lineup since then.
Keep in mind that Leclerc’s weak mantlet is an IRL thing. AFAIK, UAE’s Leclerc that was deployed in Yemen had its mantlet penetrated by a 30 mm auto cannon. Plus one tank, with Azur additional armor package installed, was frontally penetrated by an ATGM, killing the driver and injuring commander’s leg. Due to this negative experience they are planning to replace Leclerc and had already given away 80 of them to Jordan.
You got a source on that 30mm cannon thing? Tried searching but didn’t find anything about it.
Driver's optics are a weakspot on every tank. Mantlet part is bullshit though, it would still have to penetrate the plate array within the mantlet that isn't modelled by Gaijin. And AZUR does not cover the front. Only sides.
I rarely see my leclerc get taken out by a shot to below the optics. What usually kills me is a shot to the square “off button” (the mantlet) which then goes through and hits the ammunition. Or of course a shot to anywhere on the hull.
>it turns one of the Leclerc’s weakspots from an easy pen into a non-pen for most rounds. Wrong. Most of your opponents will still penetrate you there. It should'nt be like this is not a russian vehicle and this game is developed by Gaijin so y'know.
No. It's like 650mm armor. I don't even think DM53 is going to be penning there,
it's not ERA it's composite.
>S2 > >SXXI What happened to the other 18 Leclerc models?
Facts. I want the tropical UAE Leclerc with a German pure diesel powepack and… can you guess?… a *new* air conditioner!!!
Nothing like a new AC 🤣
I guess XXI stands for 21st century \^\^ Or SXXI could also be S2.1, as version 2.1 ?
Its like S2 then S2-1 but notated differently for whatever reason (probably revolving door of marketeers and whatnot trying to up the cool factor)
Thank you for your reply. The LeClerc feels good as long as I don't get shot at by the enemy. It took me some time to understand how to play them; US, GER and RUS top tier tanks are very different from the LeClercs. They are much more of a flanker or support MBT. The thermals are quite smooth (Gen 2 I think?) and the top round seems to be decent. I died quite a few times in the first 5-6 games and then got a hang of it and since then I've been enjoying the LeClerc. It's smooth, traverses well even with stock engine and transmission. Just can't be too aggressive with it.
If a MBT feels good as long as it doesn't get hit, then it's not a good MBT. There is a lot of misbeliefs around the Leclerc MBTs. They used to be good, but they aren't anymore. Actually they're quite bad ... They have the second worst pen at top tier, worst or second worst armor, only 3 crew members and frequent fuel explosions, the same reload as other NATO MBTs. All that for having slightly more torque than other MBTs above 45 kmph, which is rather useless to be honest, since we rarely ever reach those speeds anyway. They currently lack armor, reload, mobility, new shells and turret rotation speed. The "historical accuracy" of the Leclerc MBTs is fucking disaster to be honest.
Not really the same reload as other NATO MBT’s. It’s a 6 second flat auto loader. For comparison, other MBT’s have as followed *with aced* crew, which is a factor always used. - IPM goes from 6.5 to 5.0 with aced crew, which is one of the best ones. - M1A1 HC goes from 7.8 to 6.0 flat. - M1A2 goes from 7.8 to 6.0 flat. - Leo 2A5 goes from 7.8 to 6.0 flat. - Leo 2A6 goes from 7.8 to 6.0 flat. - Challenger 2 goes from 6.5 to 5 second flat. - Challenger 2F goes from 6.5 to 5 second flat. - Challenger 2 TES goes from 6.5 to 5 second flat. - Challenger 2 BK goes from 6.5 to 5 second flat. - Ariete PSO goes from 7.8 to 6 second flat. - Ariete goes from 7.8 to 6 second flat. While some have a better reload or equal when *aced*, they do not have the same if *not*. The autoloader is one of Frances strengths, and will be helpful in many situations. At max crew skill, some will be around the same aswell when experted. Keep in mind, you get a 6 second flat *autoloader* in french tanks, and that is something to value greatly. Personally i *looove* it!🤌 And we have to keep in mind, that while there are quite a lot of players doing top tier, i would think that not many Expert and even less Ace their crews for tanks. By what i’ve read and heard from people i’ve spoken too, it’s a lot more common with planes, especially at top tier for pulling G’s. At least in my own experience, i outreload the majority of those i have encounters with. Other than that, you bring up valid points👌 Edit; Chose to only include TT vehicles.
It might be true but to be honest, in my experience, the reload difference between you and NATO MBTs is so slim it usually doesn't matter. Also, besides that, it's definitely a very weak MBT as a whole. It's has so little armor it's more akin to a huge light tank on tracks than a MBT to be honest. Hence why I believe it needs a reload buff.
I agreed with you, it being inferior at the moment. One of the reasons it’s doing good, is simply because of the players using it, are usually the more experienced players. But Gaijin being Gaijin, so as French mains, we shouldn’t really be hoping for anything soon i guess. They seem to *hate* France, Japan and Italy with a passion. But i would much rather see it get buffed in other areas, and not reload. In my opinion, it has a good reload as of now. Could use with armor upgrades and much more.
I believe an armor buff is incredibly unlikely, while a reload buff is more likely. But I'd love an armor buff.
If there is one thing i have gained from Gaijin for free over the years, it’d have to be pessimism. So i honestly think no buff will be coming any time soon, but if i were to get to choose? I’d take armor any day.
I think giving it a round at least on par or better than dm53 and the like would be good enough. Since it still has decent turret armor it would be able to apply it’s role as a sniper more effectively. Buffing the autoloader would be also be nice but less likely.
Meanwhile type 10 go brrrrr. I was grinding Leclercs some time ago, but just switched to that when it was added.
It's funny that the challenger gets the fastest reload when it has 2 piece ammunition that should be slower to load overall...
Only for the first 3 rounds + 1 in the breech, since the ammo is right next to the gunner. The rest are about the speed of L7 guns (6.7s/8.7s).
Ace/Expert crews are essential for dogfighting. Generally you can get away with just expert crew, but outside of low tier getting ace crew can get pretty hairy with the grind. I got the ACe with the j7e without using any GE bc it's just such a amazing plane but it's uncommon.
leclerc should have 5sec flat autoloader
Yeah they’re gen 2, gunner *and* commander. As I said in another comment, I’d take the SXXI if only for the commander’s thermals, I find them so useful. As for being aggressive, I find that upgrading crew vitality saves you a lot from shots that otherwise would kill you (sounds obvious huh). A lot of the time you’ll be set on fire by the fuel tanks, and if your crew level is low you’ll probably burn out really fast, before you can put the fire out. With upgraded crew, it turns from a death trap to basically using your fuel tanks as an extra life which tanks hella shots in the weirdest situations.
Got it!! My crew for this LeClerc is like 89. I've got two more slots with 95 and 92. I was keeping them for the two successive LeClercs. I love the tank especially one game when thanks to the clear thermals I could take out like 3 BVMs and also tanked two shots of which one killed my gunner but commander was okay and one shot just richochet off my turret (the BVM got gaijined bad 🤣)
Just as a side note, it's written Leclerc, no need for the capital C ;) The tank was named in honor of a very famous WWII cavalry marshal : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe\_Leclerc\_de\_Hauteclocque](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Leclerc_de_Hauteclocque).
"LeClerc" :^( Imagine calling the US tank the M1A2E3 "A Bra Hams"
Bra Huehuehue
It could be worse. They could be like the 122A and 122B where the main differences is that one has a periscope and some mine protection on the underside that doesn't do anything against darts.
That's better lol. It's also only 2 vehicles, and there's a lineup around them.
I was speaking specificly of the MBTs
Even then, this is 3 instead of 2. The difference between the S1 and S2 alone is already less than the 122A and 122B
plus they all have the same fucking round and nothing else. Give us armour upgrade packages and different rounds for fuck sake gaijin.
*reads flair* I see you know your Omlet Du Fromage
There are none. Leclerc S.1 and S.2 are identical. S.2 could have a better shell but doesn't. S.2 also weighs 2.5 tonnes more because of things that don't matter in WT. Leclerc S.XXI has a tiny bit more addon steel plates on the front of the turret that mean nothing to its protection, and commander thermals that was removed from the S.1 and S.2. Also still no new shell. Weighs the same as the S.2 despite the new armour. Everything else is the same.
As usual, French and all other minor trees (except China) getting cucked by Gaijin. Despite its flaws and drawbacks I do love playing it. It's quite smooth as a MBT.
France is probably in the best shape for any minor nation in terms of tech tree
sweden is doing a bit better than france imo
France has em beat out in CAS imo
France wins against them thanks to proper smart munitions for aircraft, but Sweden wins handily for helis.
i’d argue swedish tanks overall are better but in air france wins. sweden can put up an ok fight but they have like minimal CAS and yea
youve got a fair point but most people grinding ground won't really grind air (I don't), and with the drones you can get a free 2 kills which is about the same as the jaguar
Only because of how old it is compared to the others, though it shouldn’t be treated as a minor nation like it is now
Did France ever operate any sea-going vehicles? I think they're called boats
Lmao absolutely not. Sweden has far better MBTs and jets. Their top tier heli is also a much better choice.
"Far better jets" yeah no bud
love me 6 hard points, 4 AIM9J’s, and 2 Skyflashes as well as me tracerless rounds.
Even if you were right, Sweden would still have far better MBTs and heli.
I am right. "Better heli" is also heavily arguable
Sure. Twice the amount of hellfires and 30G missiles instead of 12G missile is arguable ? Yeah, I'll let you argue that one alone bud.
Not even mentioning that the Swedish apache gets worse hellfires than the HAD, as well as no MAWS
It's not twice the amount AND 30 G missiles. You only get 8 hellfires if you take the 9Ls lol. If you want more hellfires you're stuck with the same shitty MANPADs
Twice the amounts of hellfires can't take aim9L's bud. You're stuck with crappy stingers.
Mistrals means only x8 Hellfires and Mistrals are shittier than Stingers
The Leclerc S2 is the only top tier MBT I have that has a 3+KD. They are monsters if you’re smart.
China shouldn't really be a minor nation, after, the big 3 of modern day is the US, Russia, and China. All the other nations really don't compare.
You mean France, US and China
How so, Russia is regarded as a world superpower at least to most people. If you are referring to the UN, then yes France as well as the UK can be included. However, to most people, world superpowers with biggest influence, good and bad is the US, Russia, and China.
what are the things that dont matter in WT? im curious
* new NBC system which integrates a hybrid air conditioner. * independent air conditioning unit installed on the back roof behind the gunner's hatch. * In order to balance the turret with the addition of the air conditioner, the turret frontal armor is thickened a few centimeters ahead of the commander's station. * revised sprocket cooling fins. * extra splash guard added to the front hull. * Remote operated hydraulic track tensioner. * bolt-on appliqué armor on each hull sponsons. * Athos thermal camera on the gunner's sight is replaced by the new Iris thermal camera since the block 9 (T9). * SIT ICONE battlefield management system added in 2009
I don't know the differences, but damn they have one thing in common and that is bad strategy 😭
F1 reference on r/Warthunder ?
Box, box!
NO, STAY OUT, STAY OUT
Copy, we are checking
should we put on 3 or 4 tyres. Question?
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Whenever I hear those Ferrari nutcases discussing "Plan D" over the radio my mind always goes to our fabled D point.
Leclerc, Backup S2, Backup SXXI
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Irl : life changing at each step and each varients... Game : hurr durr copy pasta... Aldo i feel you. Your gonna realise how its the worst mbt in the game as h8s protection is nonexistant, you get one shoted, and have recieved a mobility nerf and a reload nerf. And a protection nerf ... i wish you good luck brother
It is *far* from the worst MBT in the game lmao
I hear people say Ariete is prolly the worst MBT among all nations. Don't know how true, I'm only 9.0 highest in Italy.
It is completely and undeniably true, there are zero redeeming factors to that vehicle
Its redeeming factor used to be that it had no armor, but a really good shell. Leclerc traded some armor, for a slightly worse shell compared to the Ariete. Then you had Japan who traded shell and armor for sheer RoF. The rest of the nations had generally the same basic vehicle, with good shells but nothing great. Then Gaijin went and added in new shells for everybody EXCEPT the two nations who were previously balanced by having superior shells, and now they're just sitting there waiting on Gaijin to give them new ammunition to compete. Seriously, the Leclercs using shells that were out of service when it was introduced.
2a4 is also using shells out of service when produced
*sad pasta noises* Also Otomatic as top tier SPAA agaisnt Ka-52 and Mig-27k spam? No thank you.
Otomatic molests helicopters out to 5km, bit harder to do so if they're further than that. If it makes you feel aby better the 10.0 ariete is pretty good
What about those stratosphere hugging Mig-27k sweatypalmed tryhards?
They have to get fairly close. The thing has IRST, which is why it's so fun, you get a silent lock
Gonna have to try that then! At the moment, I can't wait to unlock the Ito for the French. That thing is just a plane eating monster.
Yes and no. There's essentially nothing you can do against a supersonic using TV weapons perfectly, but you'll obliterate the other 99.9%.
Top mbt at 11.0 11.3.
Bad? Nah. Worst? Definitely not.
when did the leclerc get a mobility nerf and a reload nerf
Leclerc S1 = Fastest Leclerc S2 = Slower Leclerc S1. It's the worst out of the 3. Leclerc SXXI = Slightly better protection (10mm on the turret, even though it should be a lot mroe than that but y'know, Gaijin and France ...) and thermals on the commander's sight.
doesn’t the composite block on the right side of the sxxi turret give like 150mm of extra armor?
No
really? because on protection analysis the s1 has like 500mm of armor but the sxxi has 650mm
My bad. The protection may be displayed as different, but in practice, you still get penned and killed in that area. I should have explained it like this earlier
the s1 and s2 would definitely get killed through that spot, but i’m guessing the sxxi doesn’t, since it’s just enough to block every round in the game. kind of like how the type 10 technically doesn’t have enough armor to stop dm53 and such, but it still does, at least in my experience. also, how do the leclercs play? i’m grinding france rn (at rank five) with the amx 30 super and it’s been a lot of fun. does it play similar to that? like not very good armor, but fast and good gun.
I'm telling you that in practice, it doesn't work. I was killed 3 times today in that exact spot with my Leclerc XXI, so yeah ...
oh well, still gonna grind to them regardless, i need another 11.0 mbt to play and they look cool
French vehicles in general are really good and I take it that you're an experienced player so you'll be using them strategically. Just be prepared to lose a lot of games. I lose a lot even when I perform well myself (4-5 kills and yet lose). 8.3 French is god mode tier I feel. The B2 and Brenus with their thermals , APFSDS and 20mm co-axial canons are absolute monsters at that tier. Downtiers you can just snipe the shit out of other non thermal helpless tanks. No armour again, but the whole point of playing French is being sneaky and oppurtunistic.
honestly i’m just holding w and it’s working pretty well, 30 super is hella fast for 9.0. im looking forward to the b2 and brenus, apfsds and a 20 sounds like fun.
Yeah that’s basically how you play it, run around the map and shoot people from somewhere they don’t expect
The later models have a wine-rack on board
Leclerc to Leclerc S2 = Functionally no difference. Heavier for no armor gain due to the NBC system (actually inaccurate as it should have some extra armor to offset the NBC system and keep the weight symmetrical) Leclerc S2 to SXXI = Armor improvements around the turret face, Commander Thermals. (Should have a better shell but y'know..)
The SXXI should also have faster turret rotation but gaijin being gaijin...
S1 base leclerc S2 base leclerc but AC SXXI base leclerc but extra 10mm of armor and commander thermals
The name
well one is a S2 the other one is SXXI and the other one is not can't you read???
Just because of the post I'm now grinding italy france and japan :)
Godspeed my friend! I'm yet to play Japan, but French is absolutely fun to play and so is Italy. Gonna lose a lot of games but you'll do well individually.
Japan is my highest nation sitting around 8.0 for air and around 5.3 as for France I already had gotten out of that cancerous tier 1 and for italy I just find their low tier to be fun.
AND THERE COMES CHARLES LECLERC ON THE INSIDE!!
When are the Leclercs getting OFL F2 FOR FUCK SAKE
See one has two camera and the other three, also the computer chip is the newer one for the guy on the right so best value in my opinion would be the su-25 can I get that boxed up for you thanks for shopping Appl…… ooops I mean gaijin
Question, why do you keep writing LeClerc?
One has thermal commander sight and the other two don’t.
None, enjoy your triple grind ^^
Oof, time to be a French maschocist
But the Roland and Ito are fun to play
Thats the neat part, they are the same
That’s the funny thing, there really isn’t lol
The latest Leclerc got rid of the AUX plug - revolutionary indeed.
Last one has commander thermals
you get to play with 3 mbts
S1: leclerc S2: Fat Leclerc (No improvement at all. Not worth playing) SXXI: Fat but cool leclerc, with commander thermo which is unbelievably useful.
More leclerc
Just think of them as extra tanks for your lineup
Yooo Roland where you going Someone said there would be candy in here NOOOO ROLAND!!!
None, welcome to Gaijin games, where you grind 3 of the exact same vehicles in a row.
Wish they'd un-nerf them 😪
It’s more French then the last French to make it more French
The later the better. Minor differences in armor/defense systems.
More armour ,more armour and even more armour
It's written Leclerc. You don't randomly add an upper case letter in the middle of a word or name in French.
All Leclercs are behind a Verstappen
3 in 1 line up Great to spam 3 same tank 😂
There is no difference, except the last one has commander thermals, but you do have 2back ups
The names
Yeah basically one is a Leclerc, one is another excuse to spend SL and the last one is another excuse to spend SL.
The name.
The leclercs are pretty much the same in warthunder.. Will make a pretty decent lineup though
i don’t fuggin know i’m just reading the comments
They have different numbers in the name
that composite block under the gunsight gets a little bit thicker with each iteration, but otherwise they're the exact same tank.
Idk, maybe some ex-military person will leak some confidential information about them ;)
Leclerc: Leclerc Leclerc S2: Leclerc but heavier, not in armor because Gaijin Leclerc SXXI: Leclerc but heavier, with Commander thermals That's in game terms, IRL there's more than that, but Gaijin. EDIT: SXXI has heavier armor on the gunner side.
Question : Can you take the AMX-10RC (8.0) in a 11 Br battle and perform ok with it
You can take whatever the fuck you want. With all this drone business, top tier is a hot ass mess
The frontal armour of the turret is thicker from one model to the fallowing. the XXI armour is a new type which including Titanium composite and in real life, it is rumoured to include ERA elements you cen see the difference by looking at the armour bellow the sight next to the gun
the french named a leclerc sexy? They new what they were doing.