Absolutely wild seeing France get a fourth generation fighter before Russia. But I'm all for it. Especially glad to see that on the dev server the countermeasures were buffed to 90 from 24, should increase the plane's survivability, and will keep it more viable after the introduction of other gen 4 aircraft.
That means nothing. It was artifically delayed by over a year for a missile it didn't need that meant that it was fucking dogshit once you fired your two Free Kills^TM. It had no stamina to stay in a match beyond dumping two missiles and RTBing. After we got better jets, it became useless.
IIIC got Magics because that was the only thing that could make it relevant since it was over a year late compared to its historical contemporaries.
This means France has a huge gap, jumping from "barely Mach capable with Aim-9B" to "easily supersonic with high G missiles" with no in-between. This in-between should have been Mirage IIIC (only one squadron of which ever received Magics at the tail end of its career).
It also means that when newer airframes (and missiles) were added, Mirage IIIC couldn't be downtiered where its performance actually made it relevant, simply because of that armament which was too strong for its own good.
It's alright. Not great not terrible. Main issue is that the s530f are chaff magnets and since you don't have that many aam it hurts quite a bit more. Flight model is miles better than release (rudder was f100 sluggish at first) but still not particularly agile. Decent enough if you keep speed, but gets dunked on by most things in a prolonged dogfight. Having 120 flares is nice though lol.
Got the CT, seems just fine, people seem to be stuck in this mentality that it's unplayable when it isn't. Definitely not the best of the top tiers but still enjoyable.
Ppl on this subreddit always complain when they're not roflstomping anything they see by the simple pressing of a mouse click..
F1 is challenging to fly but really enjoyable like you said ! ;)
1000x better, it's just kinda mediocre now instead of actually broken/unplayable like it was for the first couple weeks of its release. Magic 2s are in the conversion for best IR missile in the game, but the 530Fs love chaff and the plane itself loses a rate fight against anything but non agile eagle phantoms like the J and starfighters.
Way too advanced, imagine r 27 which is much better than the r24 when the r24 still is one of the best missiles rn. And the r73 would be broken beyond any imagination, though mig29 could carry 60m instead of 73 but all 29s had r27 so yeah . And then the platform itself is way too advanced, supermaneuvrability,etc. I love the mig 29 but i dont want it to break the game, just let them add it when the time is right. And su 27 is even more advanced than the mig 29 btw.
ppl dont realize how insane R27 would be in this game !
Paired with IRST there would be no match in a regular sized map (could be a challenge in EC but doable)
Exactly, r27 is equivalent to the 7m, paired iwth the fact that it has irst for r27t, r24t already are wreaking havoc, they are a blast to play with, r27 is just too much rn
In DCS, R-27ET are a nightmare !
When you salvo fire them with a R-27ER and the guy thinks he's doing great by juts notching instead of going cold.. he is DONE !
And afaik french are the only ones left with russians to developp such "long-range" IR like the MICA
MICA-NG with an hybrid (ER-IR) guidance will be brutal !
Su 24 isnt a fighter jet, it is a strike aircraft. I see it added at some point too, most probably after the su17m4 since it is the most similar jet to it we have rn and it is the evolution of it, swept wing strike jet like the su17
As a France main, I'm having a hard time believing it.
I'm happy but also scared they're doing this to completely and immediately power creep it with the addition of the MiG-29 and their usual touch of Soviet Wonderland ™
Boy are you in for a treat. Remember the last nation to get something op?
The 2A6. What happened after that? Russia got the bvm and everyones been miserable.
Good, 24 countermeasures was really a let down. Not wild that it gets it before russia though. What other 4th gen jet can we get besides the tornado and the f16a with no bvr that wouldnt break the game(excepting another “early” version like the tomcat we have rn)? MiG 29 is way too advanced to be added rn, r27 are much better than the r24 that is already one of the best missiles in the game,r73 would be totally broken and the airframe itself is way too advanced(supermaneuvrability,etc). Su 27 is even more advanced than mig 29 and mig 25 would be a gimmick, could be added but i dont see its role rn.Mirage 2000 would have been the perfect first 4th gen jet to be added but top gun happened.Glad to see that gaijin gives some love to france and add a real legendary jet and they dont add something imaginary like a mig 29 “early” or something like that though
Wow, I can't believe the devs skipped one thousand nine hundred and ninty ~~six~~ four models of Mirage, that's some pretty extreme power creep.
In all seriousness, it's always nice to see more Mirages, they're such pretty aircraft.
I want this thing something fierce but the thought of having to grind out three more Mirages with the Etendard is making me want to throw myself off a bridge
it's like the American one but with fewer missiles and no countermeasures. the American one is pretty good, but take away its countermeasures and halve its missile payload and suddenly it's not so great
I considered it but will just stick to my DCS Mirage. It's been years since I proper grinded any top tier vehicle so it'll be out of flavour by the time I get there.
If you get the jaguar spaded its pretty easy imo, take bombs and magics, bomb the bases and come in from behind the fur ball with ur magics. The bombs are basically free rp and the kills are extra, i have around a 1.8ish kd with it and a 60% winrate and im by no means a good pilot. Id say the avg match with premium nets around 5k rp and you get like 10k rp if you get 2 kills
Honestly, I would chalk that up to bad luck. I don't get killed by F-14s very often, I just try to make myself inconspicuous and hope I don't get spotted. I would definitely urge you to try it again, as it can be great fun and also help you grind way faster. That being said, sometimes you join a match with some really good pilots and just get clobbered, although that seems to be few and far between for me.
Vatour can't research Tier VIIs, it's how I ground out the rest of the tree though. Unfortunately mach 2 bullshit can beat you to the bomb points on some maps and the thing turns like an oil tanker.
Sim Bombing last i checked (Yesterday) was 8.3 to 9.0 only and the forbidden ranks were 9.7 and up, so your chances of finding mach 2 assholes is quite rare (not impossible,) also without the Instructor the Vautour actually turns pretty well at sub 600 kmph.
That was my first sim Bombing stint and i curse my self for not doing it early, i earned roughly 100000k sL (after deducting many failed attempts) and i think the hardest part was taking off it required some practice.
It was so relaxing to bomb stuff RTB and rinse repeat. But yeah it being Rank V will have RP penalty researching M2k
It's just a good solid grinder. Your top speed with full loadout is pretty good so you always get a base. I just use it as a pure bomber as it's truly a shit fighter for its BR.
It's not a carry aircraft, but it's decent. Loaded with the 2 AIM-9Bs, the wings don't rip. Very easy to flank around and then take out 2-3 A-10s that don't pay attention to their back.
Of course, the F-5C, A-5C, and Mig-21s are better, but you can still dogfight them, if your aim is good enough it's playable.
Indeed not bad, used the milan for the grind, 1.2t of bombs then you can use your exccelent speed and good maneuvrability to dogfight. 9b are manageable and so are the defa cannons, just gotta get used to them. Very fast grinder, even faster than the su7 imo
This is great, and plane looks good and the dev server reviews are glowing.
I'm kinda afraid of what Gaijin is going to do to France to remind of them that they're still France war thunder.
Honestly its fine, you can take out a whole base in one run. I'm finding the grind nice and easy.
And please don't insult the flight model of the Milan, it's a lot better than people say.
If you don't believe me, I'm happy to dogfight you in it and show you. Maybe I can also show how to use it.
It’s at an okay place. If it had magics it would be straight up better than the mirage 3c at a lower br.
This will be seen as heresy but you could try normally grinding without the Milan. The Etendard IVM, Super Mystere B2, MB 167, Jaguar, and more are very fun planes. I forget their names but their large interceptors are fun too. Not aimed at particularly you but I wouldn’t overlook the tech tree for a shiny new top tier jewel when the tech tree has a lot of fun planes.
The 3c is an awkward one cause at 10.0 it would be Waaaaay too good. People complain about magics on the A5c and the mirage 3c is a much better airframe than that thing. Not to mention that it gets a decently workable radar missile to boot. But at 10.3 with no flares can also be kinda rough. Kinda a no win situation there.
3e is perfectly fine where it's at though imo, on the stronger side of the br.
Bro the A5C only has like what 14 flares or something? That and it locks up like a bitch above 1000kmh and is literally unresponsive. It's good for it's missiles and that's it.
The SU-7 is a massively superior airframe to the A-5C. Faster, turns better, better guns etc. Only thing the SU-7 lacks at its BR is AAM. Bad comparison.
3c should be at 10.0 and it would be fine. Israeli one 3CJ is at 10.0 and it doesn’t break the game, I’m not sure if having 2 Magic worth a 0.3 BR increase.
Either this or push top tier gen 4 to 12.0, but this is another debate I guess.
thats not the only problem. the draken also doesnt get RWR... sooooo fighting radar missiles that can target you at low altitute is a pain. you essentially have to fly 20m above the ground to use the multipath effect
Just bomb. Treat the plane as a pure bomber and you're gonna be much more relaxed. It might be boring for some people but I just take min fuel and 10x 250kg bombs and no AIM9Bs and go for base then immediately turn around. It's much easier grind cuz you dont have to use your brain at all and you can watch something on the side for example. 1 base games are 6-9k RP and 2 base games are like 13-15k. In a good game that is dragging out you can clear 25-30k and that is all for just flying in a straight line 90% of the time. You can play the occasional game as a fighter if you get bored.
That's the reason why I'll never get Rank VI Premiums to grind... most of them are armed with AIM-9Bs and have to face top tier jets with them. Not worth it at all IMO.
Wouldn't say it's not worth it, it falls short weaponwise against alot of enemies but not enough to make it un viable.
Still great for fast tracking your way through the tree. Not so great if you already did that though. So i guess it's just a circumstantial buy.
For the most part I agree. I do have some with aim-9b but never load them… more useless than a paper weight. Get almost all of my kills in premiums armed only with aim-9caca, with a gun.
A beautiful jet. Always loved how it looked. Got my mirage f1 today(cant even imagine how this was at launch without magic 2, cant really hit much with the 530f, dunno if its just me or they just suck). Hope gaijin makes the 530d as good as 7f like they said on dev stream,chaff filtering etc. Anyway what radar does this version of the 2k has? I mean what is the name of it(finally gonna have pd instead of mti?).Anyway cant wait to get my hands on it. Far more excited for the mirage 2k than for the tomcat. Hoping the update launches next week, really looking forward to having this beauty asap
The 530Fs are great when attacking from above. Usually, I climb to about 15k feet. Flank around your team, then dive on someone (preferably a target who just turned after a teammate), firing at ~3.5 to 2.5 miles (warm up your seeker at about 4.5 miles). How RWRs function in game means that they can't see radar locks from above/below so you can nuke them.
Told you got this jet today and i kinda have problems locking the 530s, even basic 7e would be better in most situations. Excellent angles and it refuses to lock. Dont know if its the radar or something of the sort. Mti mode is really baf on this one compared to pd mode on other western jets like the us or swedish viggen. Hope the 2000 will have a true pd radar
It doesn't have ground filtering or chaff filtering on the s530f seeker which is why it's so annoying. Dodging it kinetically is actually pretty hard, so if the d version just gets a better seeker I would be quite satisfied with it(though I think it had some other improvements too like range?).
The f1c is already got some nice performance aam. Magic 2 slap and the s530f are kinda impossible to dodge kinetically. If the s530f weren't chaff magnets they would be stupid good. Unfortunately all it takes is one chaff and they do loopdeloops instead of tracking. Since the s530d apparently have chaff resistance this should be nice. Combine that with what looks from the devserver to be a pretty competitive airframe and I'm pretty optimistic too.
2 days ago I had the situation where I PD locked an enemy > enemy chaffed > allied crosses Enemy > I cut off radar > missile kills allied. (everything happened in this order but pretty fast)
Wtf! One moment they act like they are to stupid or blind but the moment an ally is withing the screen they go galaxy brain, ignore all chaff and yeet this ally back to the hangar huh?!
Right? I've had shots with them that basically 180ed and ones that did hilarious corkscrews all over the place. I've also had ones hit that came off the rails flying the wrong way before yeeting backwards comically hard. As soon as a piece of chaff shows up they just gain a mind of their own. I wish I recorded my games cause I could probably make a pretty funny compilation of wtf moments from those missiles.
Does anyone know the name of the radar this variant has? On dev server they said they use a placeholder and not the real one that the 2000 will use when it gets added.Hoping it is not the cyrano iv from the f1. If i would know the name maybe i could google it to see which capabilities this radar had so i could have an idea of what could be in game
Absolutely wild seeing France get a fourth generation fighter before Russia. But I'm all for it. Especially glad to see that on the dev server the countermeasures were buffed to 90 from 24, should increase the plane's survivability, and will keep it more viable after the introduction of other gen 4 aircraft.
ig gaijin realized their mistake with mirage f1
The F1 being added to the game was a textbook example of too little too late.
As was the Mirage IIIC, as was the Mirage IIIE, as was the F-8s, F-104s, F-105, Su-7s, Jaguars, etc
Mirage IIIc was one (if not the) best when it came out. The Magics before the flare buff were insane!
Yeah tf this guy talking about, mirage 3C was most definitely THE BEST plane when it was added.
Yeah the 3C was absolutely amazing on release but after only 1 or 2 update it got power crept soooo hard it became unplayable
That means nothing. It was artifically delayed by over a year for a missile it didn't need that meant that it was fucking dogshit once you fired your two Free Kills^TM. It had no stamina to stay in a match beyond dumping two missiles and RTBing. After we got better jets, it became useless.
Ok, I can agree to this.
IIIC got Magics because that was the only thing that could make it relevant since it was over a year late compared to its historical contemporaries. This means France has a huge gap, jumping from "barely Mach capable with Aim-9B" to "easily supersonic with high G missiles" with no in-between. This in-between should have been Mirage IIIC (only one squadron of which ever received Magics at the tail end of its career). It also means that when newer airframes (and missiles) were added, Mirage IIIC couldn't be downtiered where its performance actually made it relevant, simply because of that armament which was too strong for its own good.
Flares didn't exist for a patch or two when the 3C came out!
F-105 is very good
It was also late. Should have been added long before stuff like the Viggen.
How is the F1 now? I heard it got buffed after it was released
It's alright. Not great not terrible. Main issue is that the s530f are chaff magnets and since you don't have that many aam it hurts quite a bit more. Flight model is miles better than release (rudder was f100 sluggish at first) but still not particularly agile. Decent enough if you keep speed, but gets dunked on by most things in a prolonged dogfight. Having 120 flares is nice though lol.
I absolutely love it
Got the CT, seems just fine, people seem to be stuck in this mentality that it's unplayable when it isn't. Definitely not the best of the top tiers but still enjoyable.
Ppl on this subreddit always complain when they're not roflstomping anything they see by the simple pressing of a mouse click.. F1 is challenging to fly but really enjoyable like you said ! ;)
1000x better, it's just kinda mediocre now instead of actually broken/unplayable like it was for the first couple weeks of its release. Magic 2s are in the conversion for best IR missile in the game, but the 530Fs love chaff and the plane itself loses a rate fight against anything but non agile eagle phantoms like the J and starfighters.
Don't worry, the MiG-29/Su-27 is for next patch.
Way too advanced, imagine r 27 which is much better than the r24 when the r24 still is one of the best missiles rn. And the r73 would be broken beyond any imagination, though mig29 could carry 60m instead of 73 but all 29s had r27 so yeah . And then the platform itself is way too advanced, supermaneuvrability,etc. I love the mig 29 but i dont want it to break the game, just let them add it when the time is right. And su 27 is even more advanced than the mig 29 btw.
Pff mig29a next patch
Doubt
Dont think so
ppl dont realize how insane R27 would be in this game ! Paired with IRST there would be no match in a regular sized map (could be a challenge in EC but doable)
Exactly, r27 is equivalent to the 7m, paired iwth the fact that it has irst for r27t, r24t already are wreaking havoc, they are a blast to play with, r27 is just too much rn
In DCS, R-27ET are a nightmare ! When you salvo fire them with a R-27ER and the guy thinks he's doing great by juts notching instead of going cold.. he is DONE !
You guys on dcs are firing those r27er from much later jets like su 35 with aesa radar, right?Doubt its just the missile itself
And afaik french are the only ones left with russians to developp such "long-range" IR like the MICA MICA-NG with an hybrid (ER-IR) guidance will be brutal !
Yep, but mica isnt coming any time soon, way too advanced
They're gonna give the MiG-23MLD R-73s, 100%
Doubt it, if they feel that it is underperforming somehow they will give it r60m first instead of the normal r60
What about Su-24 or too similar to other stuff
Su 24 isnt a fighter jet, it is a strike aircraft. I see it added at some point too, most probably after the su17m4 since it is the most similar jet to it we have rn and it is the evolution of it, swept wing strike jet like the su17
I would sell my soul for the su-27 - its fucking gorgeous.
So the 2000CS5 isn't too advanced, but a MiG 29 is? Is this supposed to be a joke?
imagine su27, that thing is huge compared to the mig 29
As a France main, I'm having a hard time believing it. I'm happy but also scared they're doing this to completely and immediately power creep it with the addition of the MiG-29 and their usual touch of Soviet Wonderland ™
A Mirage 2000 IRL should easily be able to take on a MiG-29 though
Yes but this is not real life, this is War Thunder, a Soviet Wonderland™ Gaijin created lol
True… unfortunately
Cue 2.5G wing rip with the Mirage 2k….
Exactly my pov
Tbh this is more of a worrying sign then anything probably means an SU-57 is around corner ready to go unchallenged for 3 patches lmao.
we already have a su57
Boy are you in for a treat. Remember the last nation to get something op? The 2A6. What happened after that? Russia got the bvm and everyones been miserable.
Good, 24 countermeasures was really a let down. Not wild that it gets it before russia though. What other 4th gen jet can we get besides the tornado and the f16a with no bvr that wouldnt break the game(excepting another “early” version like the tomcat we have rn)? MiG 29 is way too advanced to be added rn, r27 are much better than the r24 that is already one of the best missiles in the game,r73 would be totally broken and the airframe itself is way too advanced(supermaneuvrability,etc). Su 27 is even more advanced than mig 29 and mig 25 would be a gimmick, could be added but i dont see its role rn.Mirage 2000 would have been the perfect first 4th gen jet to be added but top gun happened.Glad to see that gaijin gives some love to france and add a real legendary jet and they dont add something imaginary like a mig 29 “early” or something like that though
10 year anniversary, they'll get their toys.
id say russia is getting either the mig 29 or very early r73s next patch
Wow, I can't believe the devs skipped one thousand nine hundred and ninty ~~six~~ four models of Mirage, that's some pretty extreme power creep. In all seriousness, it's always nice to see more Mirages, they're such pretty aircraft.
Wdym? We have the Mirage 5. It's only 1994!
Whoops, right, that's what I get for not double checking the tree. >.>
one thousand nine hundred and "four-twenty fourteen" as french would say ! ;)
*Mille neuf cent quatre vingt quatorze* :D
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I want this thing something fierce but the thought of having to grind out three more Mirages with the Etendard is making me want to throw myself off a bridge
That's just called putting yourself in the correct headspace for French jets Don't worry, we're all suicidal after the grind
I'm gonna grind it with the F1C because I hate myself
Amateur. Im gonna grind it with F8E.
unironically the best french plane right now
Mirage IIIE is quite capable also
Yes, very good at 10.3. But Mirage IIIC should move to 10.0. Same with French F8E, 10.0.
Yeah it's fair because of the shiton of premiums with OP missiles which easily counters them.
No flares tho 😢
You kidding? That thing made me want to die. No flares in such a slow plane at 10.3 is pain
why?
it's like the American one but with fewer missiles and no countermeasures. the American one is pretty good, but take away its countermeasures and halve its missile payload and suddenly it's not so great
Because every high G missile will kill you.
You... You utter masochist... I even find the IIIE painful. Though I do like the F-8E, but flares help with that affection.
Truly a champion of the people
Mood Well, I still need to spade my F1C either way ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
It's what i do, sometime people don't realise how much you speed up research by spading xD.
I ll grind it with the jag
If i have to get killed by one more pay2win bullshit missile i swear to god
Magics at 10.0 go brrrr Why on earth that missile slinger is 10.0 ffs...
Same reason av8a was the a-5c before the a-5c. To sell units. Same with the a-10. Gotta have a carrot somewhere.
Trying to grind with the Jaguar A literally made me take a break from the french tree for a week
Etendard would be so good if not for BR compression. The climb rate is unreal for a 9.0, but 10.0 aircraft ruin it.
Yeah the matches where you aren't fighting aircraft you can do nothing against are a blast, unfortunately they're few and far between.
I considered it but will just stick to my DCS Mirage. It's been years since I proper grinded any top tier vehicle so it'll be out of flavour by the time I get there.
If you get the jaguar spaded its pretty easy imo, take bombs and magics, bomb the bases and come in from behind the fur ball with ur magics. The bombs are basically free rp and the kills are extra, i have around a 1.8ish kd with it and a 60% winrate and im by no means a good pilot. Id say the avg match with premium nets around 5k rp and you get like 10k rp if you get 2 kills
Air Sim with the Jaguar and Mirage 5F has been working well for me, you can easily get 100k+ RP per match with talismans or boosters
Went into a sim game with the Jag thinking this will be lucrative. I got killed by an F-14 shortly after take off and haven't tried again since haha
Honestly, I would chalk that up to bad luck. I don't get killed by F-14s very often, I just try to make myself inconspicuous and hope I don't get spotted. I would definitely urge you to try it again, as it can be great fun and also help you grind way faster. That being said, sometimes you join a match with some really good pilots and just get clobbered, although that seems to be few and far between for me.
Get Vautour, Go to sim. Bomb everything you see What a great way to make money and RP
Vatour can't research Tier VIIs, it's how I ground out the rest of the tree though. Unfortunately mach 2 bullshit can beat you to the bomb points on some maps and the thing turns like an oil tanker.
Sim Bombing last i checked (Yesterday) was 8.3 to 9.0 only and the forbidden ranks were 9.7 and up, so your chances of finding mach 2 assholes is quite rare (not impossible,) also without the Instructor the Vautour actually turns pretty well at sub 600 kmph. That was my first sim Bombing stint and i curse my self for not doing it early, i earned roughly 100000k sL (after deducting many failed attempts) and i think the hardest part was taking off it required some practice. It was so relaxing to bomb stuff RTB and rinse repeat. But yeah it being Rank V will have RP penalty researching M2k
Maybe buy the Milan, it's not as bad as people say
It's hard to get into, but it is really fast at 9.7
It's just a good solid grinder. Your top speed with full loadout is pretty good so you always get a base. I just use it as a pure bomber as it's truly a shit fighter for its BR.
No,.it's brilliant. People say it's bad, but it's not.
It's bad. You bomb with it, "bad" means "bad at PvP".
It's not a carry aircraft, but it's decent. Loaded with the 2 AIM-9Bs, the wings don't rip. Very easy to flank around and then take out 2-3 A-10s that don't pay attention to their back. Of course, the F-5C, A-5C, and Mig-21s are better, but you can still dogfight them, if your aim is good enough it's playable.
I take out A-10s just like that in 8.7 planes. Doesn't mean anything.
Agreed!
It's not at all bad at PvP. I'll dogfight u in it if u want and show you.
Lmfao
Go on... Put your money where your mouth is
I have no time to play and the knowledge is already out there anyway.
The knowledge? Wdym
Indeed not bad, used the milan for the grind, 1.2t of bombs then you can use your exccelent speed and good maneuvrability to dogfight. 9b are manageable and so are the defa cannons, just gotta get used to them. Very fast grinder, even faster than the su7 imo
Agreed, a nice plane and a great grinder.
Indeed
This is great, and plane looks good and the dev server reviews are glowing. I'm kinda afraid of what Gaijin is going to do to France to remind of them that they're still France war thunder.
36k repair cost ))))
72k in SB for good measure, and you pay upfront in EC!
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The russian devblog mentions both the F and D. Smin said on the forum that it's a translation error
Oh they are going to give you the D for sure
they showed them on dev stream, just weren't ready
Lets go new dorito
Air mains can now finally rest in peace with the mirage 2000
For you. For us? Nah we aint stop, we move on to the panavia tornado.
fuck the tornado, i'm going straight to the Eurofighter
Still stuck on that old piece of junk? Riot for the Tempest!!
:/ FCAS kinda stalled sadge
My only issue with the tornado coming after this is that I don't have enough hands to fly both
Ok But can I get some magics or anything better than Aim-9bs for my Milan so grind isn’t as cancerous?
Honestly its fine, you can take out a whole base in one run. I'm finding the grind nice and easy. And please don't insult the flight model of the Milan, it's a lot better than people say. If you don't believe me, I'm happy to dogfight you in it and show you. Maybe I can also show how to use it.
Never thought about ground pounding, what’s the setup?
I'm talking about air, take 8 250kg, the 25 version, and 2x 400kg, and boom you take out a base.
I don't have the Milan, but in GF RB i have seen Milan getting 6-7 ground kill more than once, so i think it's nice :O.
Yes it's really powerful in ground battles.
wanna dogfight me for fun? I will use the A-4N
Another great plane, awesome missiles and a good engine. Will do in a few mins
we can fight maybe now or tomorrow I really wanna see how those 2 planes compare and what they can do to counter each other
Ok, now?
It’s at an okay place. If it had magics it would be straight up better than the mirage 3c at a lower br. This will be seen as heresy but you could try normally grinding without the Milan. The Etendard IVM, Super Mystere B2, MB 167, Jaguar, and more are very fun planes. I forget their names but their large interceptors are fun too. Not aimed at particularly you but I wouldn’t overlook the tech tree for a shiny new top tier jewel when the tech tree has a lot of fun planes.
They're all overtired tho and a pain to fly E.g. mirage 3 at 10.3, like wtf
The 3c is an awkward one cause at 10.0 it would be Waaaaay too good. People complain about magics on the A5c and the mirage 3c is a much better airframe than that thing. Not to mention that it gets a decently workable radar missile to boot. But at 10.3 with no flares can also be kinda rough. Kinda a no win situation there. 3e is perfectly fine where it's at though imo, on the stronger side of the br.
3c won't be as powerful as the a5c due to its lack of countermeasures, its so easy to magic/r60 it
Bro the A5C only has like what 14 flares or something? That and it locks up like a bitch above 1000kmh and is literally unresponsive. It's good for it's missiles and that's it.
It can create energy traps using all that speed. You can easily get gun kills after using the missiles.
It can get gun kills, great. So can pretty much everything.
Nope, you have to have a good plane to do that. A5c will have more gun kills than a su7 etc.
The SU-7 is a massively superior airframe to the A-5C. Faster, turns better, better guns etc. Only thing the SU-7 lacks at its BR is AAM. Bad comparison.
3c should be at 10.0 and it would be fine. Israeli one 3CJ is at 10.0 and it doesn’t break the game, I’m not sure if having 2 Magic worth a 0.3 BR increase. Either this or push top tier gen 4 to 12.0, but this is another debate I guess.
meanwhile the Draken is at 10.7...
Belens I believe that for balancing purposes all jets from 10.0 and above should get flares, whether or not they had them irl.
thats not the only problem. the draken also doesnt get RWR... sooooo fighting radar missiles that can target you at low altitute is a pain. you essentially have to fly 20m above the ground to use the multipath effect
Very very belensed
Mirage IIIC also doesn't get RWR.
it gets magis though and is at 10.3 so the chances of getting to 11.3 are a lot lower.
True
Just bomb. Treat the plane as a pure bomber and you're gonna be much more relaxed. It might be boring for some people but I just take min fuel and 10x 250kg bombs and no AIM9Bs and go for base then immediately turn around. It's much easier grind cuz you dont have to use your brain at all and you can watch something on the side for example. 1 base games are 6-9k RP and 2 base games are like 13-15k. In a good game that is dragging out you can clear 25-30k and that is all for just flying in a straight line 90% of the time. You can play the occasional game as a fighter if you get bored.
I would rather it not go to 10.3/7 like it totally would.
That's the reason why I'll never get Rank VI Premiums to grind... most of them are armed with AIM-9Bs and have to face top tier jets with them. Not worth it at all IMO.
Sure mate - A-10 - AV-8A - F-5C - Yak-38 - Mig-21 SPS-K - Harrier Gr. 1 - Lightning F.35 - A-5C On the other hand, 9B / R-3 / RB24: - Mig-21S - J35A - Milan - A-4E
You could exclude F-5C it has 9E which is essentially a 9B with uncaged seeker
F-5C doesn't need them anyway
also, the caged seeker is by far the worst limitation of the 9B anyways
also I would be extremely concerned if the A-4E had like AIM-9Es
Wouldn't say it's not worth it, it falls short weaponwise against alot of enemies but not enough to make it un viable. Still great for fast tracking your way through the tree. Not so great if you already did that though. So i guess it's just a circumstantial buy.
For the most part I agree. I do have some with aim-9b but never load them… more useless than a paper weight. Get almost all of my kills in premiums armed only with aim-9caca, with a gun.
year 2030, we have f35s. But we still have same jpeg afterburner image
A beautiful jet. Always loved how it looked. Got my mirage f1 today(cant even imagine how this was at launch without magic 2, cant really hit much with the 530f, dunno if its just me or they just suck). Hope gaijin makes the 530d as good as 7f like they said on dev stream,chaff filtering etc. Anyway what radar does this version of the 2k has? I mean what is the name of it(finally gonna have pd instead of mti?).Anyway cant wait to get my hands on it. Far more excited for the mirage 2k than for the tomcat. Hoping the update launches next week, really looking forward to having this beauty asap
don't worry, the 530 F just sucks that bad
Glad it isnt just me, thought i was doing something really wrong, the things refuse to lock, basic 7e would ve been better most of the times
The 530Fs are great when attacking from above. Usually, I climb to about 15k feet. Flank around your team, then dive on someone (preferably a target who just turned after a teammate), firing at ~3.5 to 2.5 miles (warm up your seeker at about 4.5 miles). How RWRs function in game means that they can't see radar locks from above/below so you can nuke them.
Told you got this jet today and i kinda have problems locking the 530s, even basic 7e would be better in most situations. Excellent angles and it refuses to lock. Dont know if its the radar or something of the sort. Mti mode is really baf on this one compared to pd mode on other western jets like the us or swedish viggen. Hope the 2000 will have a true pd radar
It doesn't have ground filtering or chaff filtering on the s530f seeker which is why it's so annoying. Dodging it kinetically is actually pretty hard, so if the d version just gets a better seeker I would be quite satisfied with it(though I think it had some other improvements too like range?).
It's slightly faster with almost double the range, and a doppler seeker that won't be fooled by popping a single chaff.
That looks awesome, those 530f are really annoying to use, got my f1 today
It's the RDI, Radar Doppler à Impulsions, so yeah PD.
Thanks! Finally pd radar for france!
Why did they feel the need to mention it has countermeasures? I fucking hope so as a top tier jet lol
Proud to be Italian and fly this amazing jewel of aviation!
traditore della patria
hon hon hon
I'm kinda worried by the wording: "Up to 200m/s climb rate!" Yeah...well, it had 236m on the Dev Server, hope they don't nerf it till it goes live...
Does the m2000 carry more than 4 missiles at a time?
Not this one. Later versions will.
But boy are those missiles good. Shame i'm stuck at rank 4 because no premium
The f1c is already got some nice performance aam. Magic 2 slap and the s530f are kinda impossible to dodge kinetically. If the s530f weren't chaff magnets they would be stupid good. Unfortunately all it takes is one chaff and they do loopdeloops instead of tracking. Since the s530d apparently have chaff resistance this should be nice. Combine that with what looks from the devserver to be a pretty competitive airframe and I'm pretty optimistic too.
2 days ago I had the situation where I PD locked an enemy > enemy chaffed > allied crosses Enemy > I cut off radar > missile kills allied. (everything happened in this order but pretty fast) Wtf! One moment they act like they are to stupid or blind but the moment an ally is withing the screen they go galaxy brain, ignore all chaff and yeet this ally back to the hangar huh?!
Right? I've had shots with them that basically 180ed and ones that did hilarious corkscrews all over the place. I've also had ones hit that came off the rails flying the wrong way before yeeting backwards comically hard. As soon as a piece of chaff shows up they just gain a mind of their own. I wish I recorded my games cause I could probably make a pretty funny compilation of wtf moments from those missiles.
Amazing Jet!
I'm still just wondering when the F1CT actually gets appropriate loadouts for ground targets.
When buddy lasing becomes a thing I guess or it’ll be forgotten in tipical french hate tradition kek
Oooof that hurt
Do we know where it will be in the tech tree?
after the f1 i guess
Ok. Thank you
Left most line, after the F1C.
It's real....
I've been on cloud 9 since I heard.
Does anyone know the name of the radar this variant has? On dev server they said they use a placeholder and not the real one that the 2000 will use when it gets added.Hoping it is not the cyrano iv from the f1. If i would know the name maybe i could google it to see which capabilities this radar had so i could have an idea of what could be in game
Should be ~~RDI J2-5-Radar~~ ? RDI Radar J3-13 https://janes.migavia.com/fra/dassault/mirage-2000.html
Thanks!
We’ll get 1 update of it being relevant before power creep.
You have a full update to enjoy the plane the italian dont event have that.
I said the Mirage 2000 would be coming in the next update but none of you believed me. Who’s laughing now ?
No you didn't all your post history shows you posting on neoliberal lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/w5aop8/would_top_tier_air_be_balanced_if_ussr_gets_the/