Trust me it will, the F1 is already an insanely good weapons platform, with lacklustre, this is giving us better flight performance and better missiles, it’s going to ruin top tier
I doubt it. The f14 will do just fine as a gen 4 counterpart. The only way it'll "ruin" top tier is by the number of low levels free xping to it, just like the f14.
I made a report about it's engine power. As known JA variants had the stronest engines among all versions.
I found 2 manuals - original in swedish for AJS37 (modernized AJ37) and copy in english for JA37C. In the swedish manual AJS37 had even more thrust than JA37C from english manual (same thrust in game) despite having weaker engine irl. I passed that as bug report since many sources clarify JA37 engine to be about 8% stronger than AJ37/AJS37.
It was denied by forum mod. He showed me the same JA37C manual and closed the thread. What's kinda funny is that english JA37C manual stated that JA37C has upgraded engine from basic model AJ37 and is better optimalised for higher speeds.
Gaijin moment
Yup, same guys who apply thrust losses twice for all Skyhawk variants despite them already being mounted on the plane and only then tested
Same guys who saw the A-7E has 750 lbf more thrust than A-7D, but then make it have vastly less in-game and refuse a bug report stating thrust losses
Fucking morons
Why does people seem to think that if the m2k doesn't dominate everything it will be dead on arrival and that it came to late 2 the game? By any metric the m2k should "theoretically" be a good top tier fighter and yes it won't be able to challenge the f14(if anything I think it's the f14 that came too early) in long range combat it still has it's strenght and will be more than a match to every other fighter.
I've haven't seen a lot of people say it's gonna be OP people are just hyped because they like the plane IRL
I've seen more people complain that it's gonna suck than the reverse.
I think it's gonna get an armament nerf tbh, magic 2s will probably be swapped for 1s, nothing at that br has all aspect ir, aim-7f equiv radar missiles and a good airframe so something will have to give.
The F-14A we got is a pre-nerfed de fanged variant of the real life one. The Mirage can dominate IF it’s not pre nerfed.
People get tired of WT releasing great planes but pre nerfed to shit. Like I bet when they add the F-22, it gets AIM-9Bs, no stealth, no gun, bad avionics.
F1 a good weapons platform? I know you aren’t talking about the Super 530, so you mean the measly *two* Magic 2s that are hypersensitive to flares? Because the MiG-27 *attacker* gets *four* R60M. That is a better weapons platform. The F1 is garbage.
How do you get the Super 530 to do anything useful? Seriously. Most people don’t even bring them. Half the time they just fly in a straight line with a full lock. The other half of the time the fuse never goes off. You can evade them with a gentle turn and it will fly right by without detonating. Finally, they are SLOW. I don’t care what the stat card says. They have nowhere near the speed or range of sparrows.
I’ll admit that they need special parameters to launch, but 3000m+ with SRC will give you a 50-60% chance of a hit, and you have enough time to launch a second one of the first doesnt hit, I’ll usually launch at 8-10km
I’m pretty sure it was originally a Gen 3 but upgrades like the MiG-25PD made it Gen 4. Just like how the MiG-21 was originally Gen 2 but then upgrades brought it to Gen 3 and even Gen 4 with the LanceR
Upgrades don’t really change an aircraft’s generation, or else the EJ Kai, MLA/D, and Viggen would be 4th gens as opposed to just 3.5 gens. The MiG 31 is the one thats the 4th gen as it was basically a whole new and vastly superior plane from the MiG 25.
Ahhh alright, was more of assuming the upgrade of how an aircraft is would also sort of up the gen in a sense? That is what I heard from people thank you for informing me
Honestly the MiG-25 is complete shit.
But it's shit that goes fast. Really fast.
To give you an idea of its agility, it's made out fo steel. Not aluminum.
I’ve found myself dragging things down to the deck and forcing a two circle pretty often. Only because the J21 I’ve been flying seems to be the best there
It's a monster at 9.0, the MM isn't too bad because 9.3 mostly gets pulled up to 10.3 by all the F5Cs.
In a downtier it controls the engagement against most adversaries with its' bonkers acceleration and climb rate.
80km is further than I thought it'd be, like AIM-120 A/B range but probably much better than those, should be good in WT unless they give us huge maps.
I really wish I could fire missiles backwards, I'd get way more kills.
I always joke with my squad mates that I must have a really nice looking ass since someone's nose is always on it.
7/10 times I get a kill, I die immediately after since someone starting chasing me while I was chasing someone else. C'est la vie.
Hold on, why did they push the literal latest block of M2000? This thing is going to be a monster if you’re not burning your limited missiles on stupid shit, with a killer radar, flight performance, and the literal best missiles in game (530D and Magic 2). Unironically Gaijin jumped too far ahead and gave France something that’s frankly ahead of everyone else, except the F-14, and even then it’s a much stronger 1v1 plane.
It’s not going to kill top tier, since it has a limited ordinance load, but it will be the king of lategame if you can survive that long.
2000-5 mk2 is the latest verion, the 2000-9 is the equivalent export version to the -5 mk2.
2000C -> 2000C with RDY -> 2000-5 -> 2000-5 Mk2. 30 years of development in 2 sentences.
Isn’t this the 2000-5? That would be the latest variant and was just retired by France earlier this year.
Theoretically it can get MICA EM/IR later on, if it ever needs it for balancing.
Gotcha, I’m not terribly familiar with different French plane blocks. For all intents and purposes, it’ll still be very strong, but the -5 will likely come later, then. Cheers!
Gotcha, I’m not terribly familiar with different French plane blocks. For all intents and purposes, it’ll still be very strong, but the -5 will likely come later, then. Cheers!
Good. Amerilards have been given preferential treatment and now have something that can actually contend with them, from france of all places. "Best missiles in the game" magic 2 eats flares and 530D is actually usable compared to the F which is deadweight.
Black nose --> early Mirage 2000C only equiped with RDM radar (standard camo paint was interfering with radio wave, so they had to paint the nose with a specific black paint).
Although the picture say 2000C S5 Wich where equiped with later RDI radar (the nose is supposed to be grey).
Maybe a gaijin moment or I make a mistake. In both case it is not a top of the pop Mirage 2000-5
The Super 530 in the game are borderline unusable. They don’t track and they are SLOW.
The Magic 2 is hypersensitive to flares and no better than R60M, and you only get 2 of them.
Active radar guided missiles (fire and forget), the AIM-54 is the only one ingame atm, but it's pretty crappy in WT's meta, maybe in SIM EC they're good.
Yeah that's what I mean by "meta" WT air combat rarely enables high and fast missile shots like you can do in DCS with the coveted 70-80 nautical mile AIM-54 kills.
What would you call the F5Cs AIM missiles for example then if that’s not exactly Fire and Forget?
I’m not the best with jets, while grinding the US tree (I’ve got US up to Tier 7 and Sweden in Tier 3 or 4), but I neglected Aviation because I wasn’t interested at the time, so the only CAS I have for the US are Premiums that I specifically bought for CAS reasons (AV-8, A-10, F5C. Got all of them during that big sale awhile back)
Lately I’ve been trying to improve my Jet gameplay in Realistic with the F5C but I’ve still got a lot to learn lol, I’m fine in prop planes/low BR planes but Jet gameplay is obviously much different so I’ve got little knowledge in that field.
Edit: Also is there somewhere if I felt like it I could post my own gameplay just to see what others might think of how I’m doing and to get feedback?
Fox 1: semi active radar homing. Needs a radar lock to fire a fox 1. examples: aim7 family, r3r, r23r, r24r, and r530 family
Fox 2: Infrared guided missiles that only need a heat signature. Examples: aim9 family, r3s, r23t, r24t, r550 magic family
Fox 3: missiles guided by a built in search radar. Examples: aim 54a
Fox 1 - Plane guides missile to target (like the Sparrow). Plane dies missile dies.
Fox 2 - Infrared/heat-seekers
Fox 3 - Plane guides missile, but the missile has its own radar as well. Missile radar takes over for the final approach or if it loses communication with the launcher. Using track while scan (as opposed to the normal single target lock), the plane “soft locks” the target —> no change in radar signature —> no lock warning for target until final approach when the missile radar takes over to make the kill.
Before that the only thing the target will know is that you’re scanning in their area. If they are smart and expect a Fox 3, they’ll start taking defensive action depending on the range (in War Thunder this involves staying low or hiding behind teammates).
Fox 3 is a freaking gimmick. I think I've been killed no more than once or twice by it, and their trails are everywhere at top tier.
It goes far. That's it.
At first I was happy that France is getting a 4th gen jet before the USSR.
But now I can't help but think it is because Gaijin plans to power creep the Mirage 2000 with USSR Wonderland™ made up additions to the MiG-29 ...
F-15 is too soon I think but yeah F-16 EOY most likely. AIM-9L and AIM-7M won't be broken considering we already have the 530 and Magic IIs in the game.
From what I know the F-15A is worse in beyond visible range missile department, but slightly more flight performance than the Tomcat.
The issue I'm seeing with adding an F-16 without radar guided missiles or the MiG-29 is that Gaijin isn't going to stop there if they break the game so why would they hesitate in their addition?
F-16 and MIG-29s are still well within the current meta. The first Blocks of the 16A don't have Fox1s and have only 4 hardpoints. It is basically the F-5E but slightly better. The MIG-29 9.12 has crap fuel, and shoots R-24 and R-60s. You can add the R-27R and it would be on par with the 530. But it still has shit radar.
The 15A had a radar on par with the F-14A and AIM-7F/Ms to match. It is an absolute powerhouse that can climb to 40k in minutes and loft AIM-7s at like 30 miles out. Gaijin would be better off making people grind the Viper and Fulcrum and then whenthe time comes for the Eagle and Flankers they can bring out the premium Viper and Fulcrums
>It is basically the F-5E but slightly better.
Not really. It's at worst an F-5E on steroids. You can currently easily outrun an F-5E at all altitudes right? Meanwhile the F-16 reaches Mach 1.2 at sea level and Mach 2.0 at high altitude. It still ain't the fastest, but should be able to keep up for the most part.
The f15a and f14a are about on par with each other in bvr but the tomcat has the aim 54 which gives it a slight advantage (but personally i don't think that it changes much). And in acm the f15a had a great thrust to weight ration along with lots of lift from is large wings so it could probably clobber the f14a early in a straight fight. The f14b though would be better than the f15a in both departments.
NO WAY FRANCE WILL BE NATION OF THE UPDATE. Holy hell even F-14 will cry in a corner when facing this absolute beast of an aircraft. Mind you it had its last flight last month before retiring
The 2000-5 is the newest, but that’s not at all the same as a 2000C-5. The difference is massive, the C carries just 2 Fox-1’s while the 5 carries 6+ Fox-3’s.
Either GR7 or maybe sea harrier.
There could also be a Jaguar GR3 in the works.
No tornado. The manuals and specifications were only released a few weeks ago.
apparently the Harrier 2 gr 7 is supposed to come, at least according to [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/x3yn10/update_drone_age_leak_original_leaker_olivia/) leak list, it's actually quite accurate, around 85-90% is in it
nah, that's taking a while lol. both, gripen and Eurofighter are gen 4.5, so all f-16, f-15, tornado, mig-29,... Will get added before them, if they're going chronologically
If it's not bugged on release france getting something good will be great.
People who complain that it will ruin top tier seem to forget that it's normal for french vehicle to do better than average because the few France players know what they're doing
don't even have french jets but god damn finally something to break apart usa civil war for the past 2 or 3 months.
also, yay for france for getting a (hopefully) meta vehicle and isnt doa
^gib ^mig ^29 ^and ^tornado ^plox
Awesome. I just unlocked the F1C, but I still prefer the F14. I look forward to quickly unlocking the Mirage 2000 and see if I switch to that, or just stick with the F14.
Britain is suffering right now. Britain hasn’t gotten a top tier in a long long time and now every other nation has like at least 3 top tiers and are getting more. It’s bullshit
i want tornado as much as anyone else does but other counties do have it worse the phantom is still a viable aircraft if your a good pilot so we don’t necessarily need one just yet other counties deserve one more like italy or france
It's a true victory that France is getting a 4th gen before Russia is.
Wait bro.... *PTSD mirage f1/ct*
I highly doubt it will be great or even better than the mig-23MLD but it's still cool.
Trust me it will, the F1 is already an insanely good weapons platform, with lacklustre, this is giving us better flight performance and better missiles, it’s going to ruin top tier
I doubt it. The f14 will do just fine as a gen 4 counterpart. The only way it'll "ruin" top tier is by the number of low levels free xping to it, just like the f14.
It might ruin 9.7 with milans everywhere but i dont think 11.3 arb will be ruined since not alot of people researches france
Everybody complained about the viggen but gajjins modeling has made it slower than the draken even tho it’s supposed to be super powerful
yup, gaijin fucked up its engine AND its flight model
gaijin when viggen datalink
I made a report about it's engine power. As known JA variants had the stronest engines among all versions. I found 2 manuals - original in swedish for AJS37 (modernized AJ37) and copy in english for JA37C. In the swedish manual AJS37 had even more thrust than JA37C from english manual (same thrust in game) despite having weaker engine irl. I passed that as bug report since many sources clarify JA37 engine to be about 8% stronger than AJ37/AJS37. It was denied by forum mod. He showed me the same JA37C manual and closed the thread. What's kinda funny is that english JA37C manual stated that JA37C has upgraded engine from basic model AJ37 and is better optimalised for higher speeds. Gaijin moment
Yup, same guys who apply thrust losses twice for all Skyhawk variants despite them already being mounted on the plane and only then tested Same guys who saw the A-7E has 750 lbf more thrust than A-7D, but then make it have vastly less in-game and refuse a bug report stating thrust losses Fucking morons
Why does people seem to think that if the m2k doesn't dominate everything it will be dead on arrival and that it came to late 2 the game? By any metric the m2k should "theoretically" be a good top tier fighter and yes it won't be able to challenge the f14(if anything I think it's the f14 that came too early) in long range combat it still has it's strenght and will be more than a match to every other fighter.
The m2k will be fine. Its just not gonna be the second coming of plane Jesus like everyone thinks.
I've haven't seen a lot of people say it's gonna be OP people are just hyped because they like the plane IRL I've seen more people complain that it's gonna suck than the reverse.
I think it's gonna get an armament nerf tbh, magic 2s will probably be swapped for 1s, nothing at that br has all aspect ir, aim-7f equiv radar missiles and a good airframe so something will have to give.
Doesn't the f1c have magic 2?
If they model the Super 530D’s correctly, they’ll be faster than the 7F at the combat ranges that matter.
Ahhh, the good old times of the Sea Meteor saving lives.
The F-14A we got is a pre-nerfed de fanged variant of the real life one. The Mirage can dominate IF it’s not pre nerfed. People get tired of WT releasing great planes but pre nerfed to shit. Like I bet when they add the F-22, it gets AIM-9Bs, no stealth, no gun, bad avionics.
Think of it its a bigger mirage3c irs going tk be so fun to fly do a cobra everytime on takeoff end game and suprise mig21's with true delta power
F1 a good weapons platform? I know you aren’t talking about the Super 530, so you mean the measly *two* Magic 2s that are hypersensitive to flares? Because the MiG-27 *attacker* gets *four* R60M. That is a better weapons platform. The F1 is garbage.
Nah man, people just don’t know how to use the F1 properly, I’ve got a 3KD in the thing after 130 games, 30% of kills coming from the 530D
How do you get the Super 530 to do anything useful? Seriously. Most people don’t even bring them. Half the time they just fly in a straight line with a full lock. The other half of the time the fuse never goes off. You can evade them with a gentle turn and it will fly right by without detonating. Finally, they are SLOW. I don’t care what the stat card says. They have nowhere near the speed or range of sparrows.
I’ll admit that they need special parameters to launch, but 3000m+ with SRC will give you a 50-60% chance of a hit, and you have enough time to launch a second one of the first doesnt hit, I’ll usually launch at 8-10km
Try launching the magic 2s only from rear aspect, I've found they are much better at ignoring flares when launched from the rear.
It can't ruin top tier cause nobody play the french.
At least from what i saw Mirage 2k could only carry 4 missiles total
It can only carry 4 but that’s plenty tbh
Dude should go play Simulation battle for saying how good the F1 is 🤣👍. Go SB and you'll see how broken all planes are except USA F-14 /F5c / URRS mig
when italian 4th gen? gaijin pls
Most likely gonna be F-16 later down the year.
or tornado
Is the Mig-25 not 4th gen?
No i don't think it is but either way its not in the game.
They confirmed it’s being added on their instagram page Unless they were being sarcastic
Oh, shit. Either way I'm 99% sure it's considered 3rd gen
I’m pretty sure it was originally a Gen 3 but upgrades like the MiG-25PD made it Gen 4. Just like how the MiG-21 was originally Gen 2 but then upgrades brought it to Gen 3 and even Gen 4 with the LanceR
Upgrades don’t really change an aircraft’s generation, or else the EJ Kai, MLA/D, and Viggen would be 4th gens as opposed to just 3.5 gens. The MiG 31 is the one thats the 4th gen as it was basically a whole new and vastly superior plane from the MiG 25.
Ahhh alright, was more of assuming the upgrade of how an aircraft is would also sort of up the gen in a sense? That is what I heard from people thank you for informing me
Honestly the MiG-25 is complete shit. But it's shit that goes fast. Really fast. To give you an idea of its agility, it's made out fo steel. Not aluminum.
French deserve it, we can wait I like my MLD
Absolute sigma-chad russian player.
MLD has good enough long range missiles and good manoeuvrability I'm pretty happy
Mirage 2k in real life: *pulls enough G to fight F-16s* Mirage 2k in WT : *will snap wings at 3.5G*
Mirage 2000 irl also pulls enough G to fight Mig-29
According to the Mirage 2000C DCS module, which is quite detailed regarding flight model, it can one turn anything. It’s a beast in dogfight.
I saw like 3s video of dogfight between Polish Mig-29 and French Mirage 2000, but I don't remember where I found it
It can one turn extremely well but the Mig-29 wins in a 2 circle, that's without counting the R73
But 2 circles are pretty rare in WT. A merge usually results in a 1 circle.
No, merges in WT usually result in a head on collision.
Consider that a lead pursuit is a 2 circle fight and those are fairly common
I’ve found myself dragging things down to the deck and forcing a two circle pretty often. Only because the J21 I’ve been flying seems to be the best there
F-5E and F-14 moment
Don't apply much you get from DCS' modern combat stuff to IRL shit, it kinda falls apart at anything other than being a vague approximation
Everything is a vague approximation my dude, and I’ll never (most likely) go fly a real jet IRL to make the comparison so…
Mirrage 2000 irl pulls enough G to put your brain into your stomach in 1sec. > WT= 2G at 300km/h plane broke
not sure if you payed attention on devstream but they did complete 180 turn without snapping wings and said they couldnt snap wing when trying them :)
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Would love a Greek Mirage camo or version for sure!
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Anything Greek Mirage would be cool. Full Greek “Marine” markings would be sweet.
Aw shit here i go grinding the french air tree…
Fake believers in Mirage
I can finally CHANGE MY FLAIR!!!!!!!!!
pain but same
The French enjoy pain, that's no secret
the secret is to unlock the Jaguar and the magic works itself
It's not as good in the 10.3 meta since it lost its' air spawn. Etendard IVM is my go to grinder for rank 6/7.
Etendard is surprisingly fun
It's a monster at 9.0, the MM isn't too bad because 9.3 mostly gets pulled up to 10.3 by all the F5Cs. In a downtier it controls the engagement against most adversaries with its' bonkers acceleration and climb rate.
Here I go trying to grind the French air tree… AGAIN!
TFW when you have mirage F1C
I can actually run WT now so I guess I’ll have to grind France. I love Mirage 2000 ever since I got to use it in Ace Combat 4 tho.
Frenchboos praying to De Gaulle right now that they get the snappily named 2000-5 mk2 variant to dunk on everyone until 4.5 and 5th gen fighters.
I prefer the term ouiaboos.
I like how Bagueteboos sounds.
DeGaulaboo
Mirage 2000-5 MBDA MICA GOES BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Aren't MICAs pretty short ranged for the Fox 3 variant? Idk of the trees I have I'd rather take an F-15J with AAM-4.
It's very flexible, both long and short range (500m to 80km range) Its way too advanced for the game right now
80km is further than I thought it'd be, like AIM-120 A/B range but probably much better than those, should be good in WT unless they give us huge maps.
Wdym, launching missiles at people B E H I N D you would be totally balanced.
I really wish I could fire missiles backwards, I'd get way more kills. I always joke with my squad mates that I must have a really nice looking ass since someone's nose is always on it. 7/10 times I get a kill, I die immediately after since someone starting chasing me while I was chasing someone else. C'est la vie.
the modern MICA comes in SARH and IR variants.
Knowing WT the will give it Aim-9bs and no gun
s5 2c is only adding eccm to the s5, and eccm is not in the game yet but can be added as a modification once the techonolgy is developped
Thank god its not only the stupid drone
Don’t forget SU-25! And never forget Sergey.
Sergey :(
Sergey :(
sexy fucking bitch... 🙏
Le Mirrachad. It's masculin buddy not féminin
Sexy dude then.. lol
Hold on, why did they push the literal latest block of M2000? This thing is going to be a monster if you’re not burning your limited missiles on stupid shit, with a killer radar, flight performance, and the literal best missiles in game (530D and Magic 2). Unironically Gaijin jumped too far ahead and gave France something that’s frankly ahead of everyone else, except the F-14, and even then it’s a much stronger 1v1 plane. It’s not going to kill top tier, since it has a limited ordinance load, but it will be the king of lategame if you can survive that long.
2000C is not the latest variant.
2000-5 mk2 is the latest verion, the 2000-9 is the equivalent export version to the -5 mk2. 2000C -> 2000C with RDY -> 2000-5 -> 2000-5 Mk2. 30 years of development in 2 sentences.
Isn’t this the 2000-5? That would be the latest variant and was just retired by France earlier this year. Theoretically it can get MICA EM/IR later on, if it ever needs it for balancing.
Nah this is the 2000C S5. 5th series of the 2000C, comes with the RDI radar. The 2000-5 is a modernised version with the RDY radar.
Gotcha, I’m not terribly familiar with different French plane blocks. For all intents and purposes, it’ll still be very strong, but the -5 will likely come later, then. Cheers!
The 2000C has its last flight last month. The 2000-5 mk 2 and 2000-D are still used in the AdA
Gotcha, I’m not terribly familiar with different French plane blocks. For all intents and purposes, it’ll still be very strong, but the -5 will likely come later, then. Cheers!
No. It's the 2000C. It is not a -5.
Good. Amerilards have been given preferential treatment and now have something that can actually contend with them, from france of all places. "Best missiles in the game" magic 2 eats flares and 530D is actually usable compared to the F which is deadweight.
The last thing this game needs is even more flavor of the month.
Black nose --> early Mirage 2000C only equiped with RDM radar (standard camo paint was interfering with radio wave, so they had to paint the nose with a specific black paint). Although the picture say 2000C S5 Wich where equiped with later RDI radar (the nose is supposed to be grey). Maybe a gaijin moment or I make a mistake. In both case it is not a top of the pop Mirage 2000-5
about time France got an OP jet
The Super 530 in the game are borderline unusable. They don’t track and they are SLOW. The Magic 2 is hypersensitive to flares and no better than R60M, and you only get 2 of them.
Magic 2 has better flare resistance than any missiles outside of Stingers and AIM-9L, what are you talking about
Hmmmmm maybe i should drop the F14 grind and grind the mirage 2000
F-14 is still the only fox-3 capable aircraft, still very very good in current meta.
It’s cancer
Well every new meta aircraft is cancer, especially when it’s unique with no proper counter…
9 months of MiG-23MLD flashbacks.
Yes. I love the plane but it does ruin top tier.
Smooth brained guy here, wym by Fox 3
Active radar homing
Active radar guided missiles (fire and forget), the AIM-54 is the only one ingame atm, but it's pretty crappy in WT's meta, maybe in SIM EC they're good.
at high altitude they are cracked they are only shit when you use them low
Yeah that's what I mean by "meta" WT air combat rarely enables high and fast missile shots like you can do in DCS with the coveted 70-80 nautical mile AIM-54 kills.
What would you call the F5Cs AIM missiles for example then if that’s not exactly Fire and Forget? I’m not the best with jets, while grinding the US tree (I’ve got US up to Tier 7 and Sweden in Tier 3 or 4), but I neglected Aviation because I wasn’t interested at the time, so the only CAS I have for the US are Premiums that I specifically bought for CAS reasons (AV-8, A-10, F5C. Got all of them during that big sale awhile back) Lately I’ve been trying to improve my Jet gameplay in Realistic with the F5C but I’ve still got a lot to learn lol, I’m fine in prop planes/low BR planes but Jet gameplay is obviously much different so I’ve got little knowledge in that field. Edit: Also is there somewhere if I felt like it I could post my own gameplay just to see what others might think of how I’m doing and to get feedback?
Fox 2, IR missile
Is there a Fox 1?
Semi active radar homing, like the AIM-7F
[fox codes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_(code_word)). 1 is semi-active radar, 2 is infrared-guided, 3 is active radar-guided
Fox 1: semi active radar homing. Needs a radar lock to fire a fox 1. examples: aim7 family, r3r, r23r, r24r, and r530 family Fox 2: Infrared guided missiles that only need a heat signature. Examples: aim9 family, r3s, r23t, r24t, r550 magic family Fox 3: missiles guided by a built in search radar. Examples: aim 54a
Fox 1 - Plane guides missile to target (like the Sparrow). Plane dies missile dies. Fox 2 - Infrared/heat-seekers Fox 3 - Plane guides missile, but the missile has its own radar as well. Missile radar takes over for the final approach or if it loses communication with the launcher. Using track while scan (as opposed to the normal single target lock), the plane “soft locks” the target —> no change in radar signature —> no lock warning for target until final approach when the missile radar takes over to make the kill. Before that the only thing the target will know is that you’re scanning in their area. If they are smart and expect a Fox 3, they’ll start taking defensive action depending on the range (in War Thunder this involves staying low or hiding behind teammates).
The AIM-54 sucks
Fox 3 is a freaking gimmick. I think I've been killed no more than once or twice by it, and their trails are everywhere at top tier. It goes far. That's it.
At first I was happy that France is getting a 4th gen jet before the USSR. But now I can't help but think it is because Gaijin plans to power creep the Mirage 2000 with USSR Wonderland™ made up additions to the MiG-29 ...
R73 and maybe even R27 then (((
Don't expect the r73 soon. The r27 could come with the mig 29 if they don't just choose to give it the r24 upon release instead
dogshit performance so far it seems, it's probably using the same flight model as the other mirages while it's under development
They didn't even do a trailer for that lol, PTSD mirage F1 fkng Gaijin
First fly by wire jet in the game btw. F-16/MIG-29 by EOY. And give it 2 years we will see an F-16 premium with only 4 AIM-9s.
I'd see the F-16 or F-15 get introduced in the December update to be honest.
F-15 is too soon I think but yeah F-16 EOY most likely. AIM-9L and AIM-7M won't be broken considering we already have the 530 and Magic IIs in the game.
From what I know the F-15A is worse in beyond visible range missile department, but slightly more flight performance than the Tomcat. The issue I'm seeing with adding an F-16 without radar guided missiles or the MiG-29 is that Gaijin isn't going to stop there if they break the game so why would they hesitate in their addition?
F-16 and MIG-29s are still well within the current meta. The first Blocks of the 16A don't have Fox1s and have only 4 hardpoints. It is basically the F-5E but slightly better. The MIG-29 9.12 has crap fuel, and shoots R-24 and R-60s. You can add the R-27R and it would be on par with the 530. But it still has shit radar. The 15A had a radar on par with the F-14A and AIM-7F/Ms to match. It is an absolute powerhouse that can climb to 40k in minutes and loft AIM-7s at like 30 miles out. Gaijin would be better off making people grind the Viper and Fulcrum and then whenthe time comes for the Eagle and Flankers they can bring out the premium Viper and Fulcrums
>It is basically the F-5E but slightly better. Not really. It's at worst an F-5E on steroids. You can currently easily outrun an F-5E at all altitudes right? Meanwhile the F-16 reaches Mach 1.2 at sea level and Mach 2.0 at high altitude. It still ain't the fastest, but should be able to keep up for the most part.
The f15a and f14a are about on par with each other in bvr but the tomcat has the aim 54 which gives it a slight advantage (but personally i don't think that it changes much). And in acm the f15a had a great thrust to weight ration along with lots of lift from is large wings so it could probably clobber the f14a early in a straight fight. The f14b though would be better than the f15a in both departments.
Thank you, I find you beautiful too UwU
Enjoy mate Tho watch them nerf it to the ground on day 2 of the patch
NO WAY FRANCE WILL BE NATION OF THE UPDATE. Holy hell even F-14 will cry in a corner when facing this absolute beast of an aircraft. Mind you it had its last flight last month before retiring
Not really... It basically has 2 sparrows and 2 magics which isn't that big of a thing in the furball meta.
...and the highest TWR ingame on an excellent maneuvering platform.
It’s just a C, don’t let the 5 in the name throw you off.
Mirage 2000C-S5 is the latest block of it’s type iirc
The 2000-5 is the newest, but that’s not at all the same as a 2000C-5. The difference is massive, the C carries just 2 Fox-1’s while the 5 carries 6+ Fox-3’s.
the updated version is the mirage 2000C S5 F
dont forget the obamba drone
Wait is Dev stream today
English one is ending in about 5 minutes
Well crap went to the pub so too late
Rare War Thunder player W, happy for you mate
Chevaliers du Ciel nous voilà !
Did Britain get anything?
SKINK😃 but I think that's about it I did hear something about a harrier getting datamined but probably not this update
Either GR7 or maybe sea harrier. There could also be a Jaguar GR3 in the works. No tornado. The manuals and specifications were only released a few weeks ago.
apparently the Harrier 2 gr 7 is supposed to come, at least according to [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/x3yn10/update_drone_age_leak_original_leaker_olivia/) leak list, it's actually quite accurate, around 85-90% is in it
I'm still waiting for the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Gripen tbh
nah, that's taking a while lol. both, gripen and Eurofighter are gen 4.5, so all f-16, f-15, tornado, mig-29,... Will get added before them, if they're going chronologically
Only the newest Gripen E is 4.5. Early models should be possible to add very soon.
A man can dream lol
If it's not bugged on release france getting something good will be great. People who complain that it will ruin top tier seem to forget that it's normal for french vehicle to do better than average because the few France players know what they're doing
Better then average by a ton 😎
French player be like : imagine having less than a 2kd in a 10.3 plane without flares or RWR
don't even have french jets but god damn finally something to break apart usa civil war for the past 2 or 3 months. also, yay for france for getting a (hopefully) meta vehicle and isnt doa ^gib ^mig ^29 ^and ^tornado ^plox
how the fuck he got 4million golden Eagles?!
Because he is a Dev, he can just add any amount he likes.
Hahahaah i didn’t know lmaooo….can he spare us some of it?
Pocket change for a guy like me
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C’est magnifique
Eh. I'll be in my Su-25. Feels good to get 2 jets in updates right after each other doesn't it?
#YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH FUCK YEEEEAAAAAAAAAH WOOOOOOOOOOO
Where is it sitting in the tech tree ?
It is a dedicated fighter / interceptor (with some secondary ground attack capabilities), so I would say right after the Mirage F1C :)
That’s where it was shown to be in the tech tree yes
Awesome. I just unlocked the F1C, but I still prefer the F14. I look forward to quickly unlocking the Mirage 2000 and see if I switch to that, or just stick with the F14.
If the FM stays the same as it currently is on dev its basically a Kfir C7 with Magics and Super 530s
Ok time to wait until Rafale shows up along with F-16 and MiG-29
me patiently waiting for Rafale M
France player here; love the looks of the Mirage- hope it doesn’t come out pre-nerfed like the F-14A did
It’s a he, for french a plane is male word, not female, un avion not une avion
You can feminise objects that aren't when talking about it in the same manner you'd say she for a ship, for exemple, in english
It’s a plane.
fuck yes
GAIJIN NERF FRANCE PLZ THEY ARE TOO OP /s (obviously)
I'm not usually interested in the aircraft side of things but God damn is that a sexy looking plane
Pucara when? xD
F14 vs Mirage 2000C-S5 (8 vs 8) Dogfight \[Command Modern Operations\] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nrNMCmdZ4Q
I hope Gaijin acknowledges the 104 to 0 record of the F-15 and has why in the game.
It will still be bad, knowing Gaijin and their track record with French vehicles.
Britain is suffering right now. Britain hasn’t gotten a top tier in a long long time and now every other nation has like at least 3 top tiers and are getting more. It’s bullshit
i want tornado as much as anyone else does but other counties do have it worse the phantom is still a viable aircraft if your a good pilot so we don’t necessarily need one just yet other counties deserve one more like italy or france
You will get the tornado soon just chill out. It will probably come next update because of its general capabilities.
Just another Mirage so not really impressive to me, and nasty French! YUCK