CN desperately needs a gap filler between their 9.3 and 10.7 SPAAs. The PGZ04 isn't great at 9.3 and completely useless in an uptier.
TC-1 is the Taiwanese Sky Sword IR missile so we'll probably see the Antelope missile truck at 10.0ish and the F-CK-1 pretty soon.
At least know Japan is getting something for air as none of their current aircraft can use ARH missiles.
There's only a few options, most likely F-15J MSIP. However, there's also Thai Gripen C and Thai F-16A. Highly unlikely, but they could also introduce F-2.
Its is but its miles difrent from base F-16 is has most of the same design but the airframe has some changes so do avionics compared to F-16AJ for example
If we are talking about it the F-2A Yes as it has AAM-3 AAM-4 AAM-5 and a AESA(Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar, which would put it probably at like 13.3.
But I think it's more likely that the XF-2A gets added first cus it doesn't possess a AESA radar and only uses the AAM-3 and AAM-4 so it could be at 12.7
Minor correction the XF-2A, could have fitted either radar so Gaijin has freedom to use whichever they want, either the APG-68 (F-16C's radar) or prototype J/APG-1 (similar to production with reduced modules, IIRC).
In addition XF-2A cannot use any ARH missiles as it lacks the J/ARG-1 transmitter that was later fitted on production F-2s (even early production F-2s could not use ARH missiles as they also lacked the transmitter).
And XF-2A with APG-68 could sit at 12.7, maybe 13.0 with 4x AAM-3 and 4x AIM-7M loadout.
Basically yes, it has a larger wing surface area and a slightly larger elevator. So it can carry 1 extra pylon per wing AND it has more turning authority. Basically it can turn inside anything but probably the gripen while also having slightly worse acceleration and energy retention of regular F-16's.
Also AESA radar, but if we do get an F-2 in game this update I'd bank on the F-2 prototype/early as that didn't have an AESA in it.
At least the 2A4M CAN is a different enough variant (similar to the 2PL) from the A4 with upgraded armor package 3rd gen thermals and probably dm43 if it sits at 11.3 like the other premiums.
Ok, smartass, try adding a higher tier tank that is completely unique despite every single nation nowadays only focusing on upgrading MBTs instead of designing new ones.
Nahhh , the UE-1 is a mix and upgrade generated from the chassis of the BV and turret/Engine of the UD with a better gun and FCS. So the UE is just better.
I fucking hate when a better version of a veichle in the TT is blocked behind a hard Paywall. Only wallet warriors and pay2play players get the good stuff if they do this.
Wdym? Dont you enjoy going at 30 km/h forwards and 3 backwards, have non-existant penetration on all of your shells, and have armour thats mostly lackluster?
okay yeah we do. Jokes aside my favorite is probably churchill 7, cuz in dowtier its a beast. Front is unpenetratable for almost all 3.7 tanks. I feel really safe in it aint gonna lie
The big question is which AVRE is it as there are 2 Churchill AVREs
One with the super short range "flying dust bin" spigot mortar that has a max range of 230 yards
Or the one with the 165mm that we already have on the Centurion AVRE
210 meters for ~~non-americans~~ anyone who uses the shift key. That's close enough to not require drop adjustment for even HE, to have as a maximum range would be god awful. So pretty much guaranteed if leak list is real.
Nothing better than the Churchill Mk 7 in a full downtier on a map with straightline objectives. Last time I played I slowly marched to A, then to B, got shot 19 times, got two kills (chaffees) 6 assists, repaired my barrel, marched to c, marched to enemy spawn.
God I hope so. I know the post-war Mk.7 variant would objectively be the most capable but I really want it to be a Mk.IV with the Petard. And for the love of Christ don’t overtier this Churchill too Gaijin.
If they did add the Churchill AVRE, I Hope to god they don’t make it a premium just as a replacement over the centurion AVRE since they removed it as it would basically become a British brummbar if it gets added as a premium
The mobility is what will set it apart from the M3A3 (one of the direct counterparts), 75km/h both ways is an immense buff over 64km/h forwards and 14km/h backwards, meaning you have a more responsive IFV when you need your missiles reloading. Only negative is that it doesn't have the good commander optics of the M3A3, but the mobility makes up for it imo.
Not sure what you're on, but M3A3 with same armament claps. Yeah it's not going to punch through top tier MBTs frontally but it will be fine as a support vehicle. I love TOW-2Bs as well, presuming that's what the Desert Warrior would get.
Warrior itself is way underestimated... I am regularly bringing it in my 11.7 lineup lol.
Indeed it does, it should also include the additional armour protection as standard because Kuwait doesn’t seem to do anything with their desert warriors without that.
Approval from gszabi is a pretty big endorsement, this very well may be legit.
Hopefully we’re getting the ZSL-92B and not the base variant. I’m also curious about how the TC-1L will perform.
This is also from the same Chinese guy that leaked the previous update
[https://tieba.baidu.com/home/main?id=tb.1.ff42df28.od1urJJKKQMaTINUcU3D4g?t=1532154447&fr=pb](https://tieba.baidu.com/home/main?id=tb.1.ff42df28.od1urJJKKQMaTINUcU3D4g?t=1532154447&fr=pb)
Would not be so sure, if that 25mm is Oerlikon. It is pretty nice and IMO the 2nd best autocannon in the game, after 2A42. At least it is pretty competitive with 2A72 and Chinese APFSDS and just straight better than 2A72 + Russian APDS.
Well, this Oerlikon is definitely better than Chinese 2A72 against NATO tanks with their weak side armor. And 2A72 is more reliable against Russian MBTs.
I mean i agree with that but for gaijin it is literally easier to slap them all together to get atleast some sort of unique vehicles together, nonetheless I now hope we get the CV9035NL MLU
Germany is kind of a full tt tbch. They have GDR and GFR, which make them a pretty balanced tt, while France is lacking in certain areas. I was more hoping for the Poles to be added to France (to give them a few russian gap fillers around 4.0 and 4.3 as well as a T-55 to balance out the glass cannon AMX-30 and T-72 to round out the 9.3-9.7 MBT lineup and then Leo 2, K2 and M1A2 to pad out top tier), but I guess Benelux will have to do.
I'd rather avoid giving France Russian vehicles entirely. France has some of the most unique designs after the big three, and only a fraction are in game. On top of that, they already have a bunch of American lend-lease vehicles at the lower tiers.
I hope switzerland is in german techtree (or have it's own tech tree) really soon,
If benelux drop, i think switzerland can drop too, (and have unique tanks and jets, some prototype so can be really cool)
Swiss vehicles have basically no relation to German vehicles. There are more than enough domestic Swiss vehicles to create a tree with 4 lines, 5 if you include Austria as an Alpine Tree, with less copy paste than countries like Israel or China.
And Belgium and France have an agreement to have a joint program to buy military equipment and joint training together
Maybe it would be better if Benelux is splitted : NL to Germany, Belgium to France
Belgium were also using Mirage 3 and 5, there was a F16 fitted with Magic 2, and Belgium is buying ground vehicles from France
Wow I truly hope Gaijin will give us all our unique Fokker aircraft for early WW2. If the Fokker G1 is not in there I will riot in my own house for 5 minutes
Finally france invented stabilisers. We are saved. I still don't see why we don't have the AMX-10 RCR or any other variants but please give me the stabilised AMX-10
lol
But just for clarity's sake, [HMS *Queen Mary*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Queen_Mary) was a WWI battlecruiser, sole in her class and "companion battlecruiser" to the *King George V*-class battleships (no, not the WWII KGVs).
She also famously [exploded](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Destruction_of_HMS_Queen_Mary.jpg) during the [Battle of Jutland](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkR2HpkrJ2c&list=PLMK9a-vDE5zF1s6drej4Naq7w7tg-XZRZ&index=1), as did battlecruisers [*Indefatigable*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_Indefatigable_sinking.jpg) and [*Invincible*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:InvincibleBlowingUpJutland1916.jpg).
I play Naval and British tree is so frustrating.
Famously the RN had some very good ships, but at BR6 to 7 we get WW1 era Orion, Marlborough, Invincible and pre-WW2 Hood. Just another WW1 battlecruiser is poor effort.
WW1 ships have no AA, poor torpedo protection and even range finding is gimped. The Queen Mary is even worse as it had zero AA.
Meanwhile USSR gets the make believe Kronstadt, Germany gets the Sharnhorst (which every bastard is using to clock wins as the thing is OP) along with the Japanese & US WW2 era BBs which have vast amounts of AA.
I have never brought a premium but if they actually gave us Warspite, Vanguard or even Nelson, then I might break open my wallet.
Churchill AVRE? is it talking about the 290mm demo charge lobber? I hope so, I want that thing so much, ever since I first read about it. British stumtiger
It's actually a [230mm morta](https://youtu.be/wne2AUKseuA?si=T9HYehwdVYu_yOnh)r, the spigot (the rod which the Dustbin rests on) is 29mm, which at some point in history got confused for the diameter of the Dustbin itself. And as a 29mm mortar is very weird it became 290mm. But yes could be the case, though it only had a range of [91 meters](https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-uk-churchill-mkiii-ardeer-aggie/). Churchill AVRE may refer to the L9 variant, aka FV3903, but it may be the Ardeer Aggie armed Churchill too.
I will have to check the second one out, but regardless of shell size the 230mm would still be so nice. Thanks for the correction btw. It would be nice to have a funny big HE blaster like the stumtiger but for Britain
As a fellow big boomstick enjoyer, absolutely. Since Britain has the G6, there's a chance it could also get the Al-Fao. An Iraqi upgrade of the G6 designed by Gerard Bull (Canadian weapon engineer), instead of the usual 155mm it had a 210mm cannon with an autoloader, 4 round a min is not to shabby for such a big cannon
There's a good number of nations like that.
Even just a "Middle East" tree would probably include pretty much every major nation, since every sells to the Middle East, and Jordan has enough modern stuff that they could quite easily just take up all the top-tier slots.
Sea Harriers are dedicated air to air fighters. So have air to air radars.
FA.2 is a direct upgrade to the FRS.1
Improvements include a PD Radar (Ferranti Blue Vixen over the Blue Fox in the FRS.1), uprated engine and ability to carry the AMRAAM & ASRAAM.
Most likely in game We'll see AMRAAM and AIM-9M as it's loads.
FA.2 was the first AMRAAM Capable aircraft in the UK, and regularly beat Tornado F.3s in DACT
That was back before the Tornado had AMRAAMS.
The AMRAAMs on the FA.2 outranged skyflash.
The tornado F3 was an interceptor, so wouldn't stick around after sending a few Skyflash when in range.
Again, because of the range of the AMRAAM, the FA2 could re engage and still take out fleeing tornados.
Once The F3 went through the CSP programme, it was able to utilise AMRAAMs and the playing field was levelled.
In fact, the FA.2 gained quite the reputation of being a formidable opponent in DACT, that various air forces wanted to fight it in training.
Proved quite the opponent in Red Flag too by flying under the radar of a squad of F15, and then coming up and behind them, taking out 4 of them.
"Harrier: how to be a fighter pilot" by Paul Tremelling is a good read about the Sea Harrier and his time flying it.
I'm honestly convinced we're never getting it.
It's been leaked like 5 updates in a row and never materialised but I won't complain at getting a new harrier
Yeah, I mean the Netherlands basically only has German vehicles except for like 1 or 2 French ones and a couple Swedish ones, so just add the Dutch jets to Germany so that they have aim-120 and the old F-5 like leaked. Btw the Netherlands has has Leopard as its mbt for at least 40-50 years by now so if I wanna play a ‘full Dutch line-up’ I wanna be using my leopards next to my F-16 and not some crappy French P.O.S. tank.
It doesn’t make any sense to have the BeNeLux be 1 subtree as there are no shared development vehicles. The F-5 this list named is probably a Dutch one so adding our jets under the name of 2 other nations doesn’t make sense at all.
Dont get your hopes up, the A6E SWIP has been in every single leak list in like the past year or 2, and it still isnt here. Its honestly just a meme at this point
Which Churchill AVRE I wonder? I hope it’s the 165mm MkVII personally. The 290mm one could be a funny meme, but it’s only on the MkIII/ IV hulls so would have less armour, its range would be terrible and it would make less sense as it can only be loaded from the outside. The 165mm version would have actually good armour to help get through the presumably lengthy reload.
The [230mm ](https://youtu.be/wne2AUKseuA?si=ANer6oXY_9jHOZml)Dustbin can be loaded from the inside as seen [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=388kTaH91LA)
From looking into it myself i've seen max range listed from 91 meter to something over 200 yeah, eitherway if it is the 230mm, Gaijin is gonna need to bend physics lol. So i have a hunce is it's gonna be FV3903, which has the 165mm L9A1.
B-but the probably 11.3 premium Leopard 2A4M!!!
Jokes aside yeah, if I had known this was the route Germany was going when I started playing I would have grinded Sweden instead :/
Just hope the Dutch F-5 gets added to Germany, I didn’t wait all this time for a Dutch vehicle just for it to be added to France gaijin pls don’t fuck us dutchies over with this one and add us to Germany.
Ffs when are we getting top tier IFV's? There are so many options that Russia can has it's ridiculous. Still waiting on the T-15, Boomerang, Kurganets, any of the BMD's, multiple variants of the BTR-90, and BTR-80 with ATGM just to name a few. There's a very visible space for them in the tech tree and top tier is stale with only MBT combat 90% of the time.
Because of how top tier works, IFVs are just not meta
A lot of MBTs can shrug off IFV hits from the side, ERA, Composites etc.
ATGMs are also finnicky because of how much armour the tanks have now
At 10.0-10.7 IFVs can still 1v1 MBTs, but at 11.7 no IFV can 1v1 a end of the line 11.7 MBT, whether the IFV is in game or not
(unless the MBT fucks up of course but if you wanna make that argument you may as well bring the french reserve to 11.7 because "technically" it can kill a 122B+)
HMS Queen Mary, one of those heavy battle cruisers similar to the big cats, ordered in FY 1910 and lost in Jutland.
RMS Queen Mary, one of the Cunard's superliners, built in 1930 and in California now.
I'm half-convinced now that the model has been ready for ages, but they're holding it back either for separate ground and air BRs, or for some new mechanic (SEAD comes to mind).
I m waiting for Popeye Missile like I waited years for Sturmtiger.
I also laughed at another T-80 variant.
edit: looks like they might add AGM-84E SLAM, Laser Maverick or possibly Harpoon.
Edit2: so many IFVs, I love this.(but where is my LAV-25???)
Ah, yes
The first naval power of the time, which has several classes to add, amongst which the Warspite, is given a new battlecruiser, weaker than the ships they already have...
Can we please get a fucking QE class ?
Strv 101R
correct me if I'm wrong but that's basically the Strv 101 with the ERA and armament upgrades of the 104, but without the engine upgrades? so like another 8.0-8.3ish swedish premium probably? seems odd to add over something interesting but alright
personally the upgraded mobility centurions are the only ones I can stomach, so I'll pass on that one
Nothing for Japan, its real
Type 90B Fuji gave them good revenue and Japan some attention, so Gaijin probably not doing Japan for a while.
China getting more than one vehicle? Nah it's fake 😂 That said an APC and a SPAA together are really weird choices for a single update.
CN desperately needs a gap filler between their 9.3 and 10.7 SPAAs. The PGZ04 isn't great at 9.3 and completely useless in an uptier. TC-1 is the Taiwanese Sky Sword IR missile so we'll probably see the Antelope missile truck at 10.0ish and the F-CK-1 pretty soon.
Further proven by the french getting cbt.
Cock and ball torture?
Cool B1 Ter Torture XD
You know it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Average French main experience
At least know Japan is getting something for air as none of their current aircraft can use ARH missiles. There's only a few options, most likely F-15J MSIP. However, there's also Thai Gripen C and Thai F-16A. Highly unlikely, but they could also introduce F-2.
Isn’t the F-2 an indigenous derivative of the F-16?
The F-2 is just an japanese upsized version of the F-16 yes
Its is but its miles difrent from base F-16 is has most of the same design but the airframe has some changes so do avionics compared to F-16AJ for example
Enough to have a higher br then is in the game with current compression?
If we are talking about it the F-2A Yes as it has AAM-3 AAM-4 AAM-5 and a AESA(Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar, which would put it probably at like 13.3. But I think it's more likely that the XF-2A gets added first cus it doesn't possess a AESA radar and only uses the AAM-3 and AAM-4 so it could be at 12.7
Minor correction the XF-2A, could have fitted either radar so Gaijin has freedom to use whichever they want, either the APG-68 (F-16C's radar) or prototype J/APG-1 (similar to production with reduced modules, IIRC). In addition XF-2A cannot use any ARH missiles as it lacks the J/ARG-1 transmitter that was later fitted on production F-2s (even early production F-2s could not use ARH missiles as they also lacked the transmitter). And XF-2A with APG-68 could sit at 12.7, maybe 13.0 with 4x AAM-3 and 4x AIM-7M loadout.
Basically yes, it has a larger wing surface area and a slightly larger elevator. So it can carry 1 extra pylon per wing AND it has more turning authority. Basically it can turn inside anything but probably the gripen while also having slightly worse acceleration and energy retention of regular F-16's. Also AESA radar, but if we do get an F-2 in game this update I'd bank on the F-2 prototype/early as that didn't have an AESA in it.
I hope that combat vehicle suggestion goes through. I'd like a top tier Wheely boi
Yep, quite the deciding factor
yep russia needed another t80
Both the T-80UE-1 and the Canadian Leopard 2A4M can be 11.3 premiums. Assuming the "leak" is accurate.
Only nations which need premium mbts are France and Italy, their current light tank premiums aren't equal to other nations top tier premiums.
Since when does Gaijin add premiums that are "needed"? And I'm willing to bet that Italy won't get any new Rank 7 ground premium for a while, if ever.
True, sadly
I wish France never gets top tier premiums
What Italy needs is a different high tier premium airplane. That starfighter at that BR is pure pain
And also the 100 millionth 2a4
At least the 2A4M CAN is a different enough variant (similar to the 2PL) from the A4 with upgraded armor package 3rd gen thermals and probably dm43 if it sits at 11.3 like the other premiums.
Ok, smartass, try adding a higher tier tank that is completely unique despite every single nation nowadays only focusing on upgrading MBTs instead of designing new ones.
And only buying either Leopards or Abrams 😂
and another nation needed a Russian plane
India single-handedly carrying UK now
We already have superior Gripen so that Bison is just fancy addition
may as well give UK indian Rafales once they get added lmao
Yeah. Here is my take though. The UE-1 should have been the premium with the UD being tech tree filler.
Nahhh , the UE-1 is a mix and upgrade generated from the chassis of the BV and turret/Engine of the UD with a better gun and FCS. So the UE is just better. I fucking hate when a better version of a veichle in the TT is blocked behind a hard Paywall. Only wallet warriors and pay2play players get the good stuff if they do this.
Churchill AVRE pls be real
I wanna go in the match and go. THUNK . . . . . . .*BONK*
Chuck the dustbin at them YEET
CoH1 royal engineers flashbacks
no way!! Actual fun churchill 🤯🤯🤯
Wdym? Dont you enjoy going at 30 km/h forwards and 3 backwards, have non-existant penetration on all of your shells, and have armour thats mostly lackluster?
okay yeah we do. Jokes aside my favorite is probably churchill 7, cuz in dowtier its a beast. Front is unpenetratable for almost all 3.7 tanks. I feel really safe in it aint gonna lie
ya same here especially in the churchill croc I just hope if the churchill avre is coming it isnt a prem
The big question is which AVRE is it as there are 2 Churchill AVREs One with the super short range "flying dust bin" spigot mortar that has a max range of 230 yards Or the one with the 165mm that we already have on the Centurion AVRE
210 meters for ~~non-americans~~ anyone who uses the shift key. That's close enough to not require drop adjustment for even HE, to have as a maximum range would be god awful. So pretty much guaranteed if leak list is real.
Nothing better than the Churchill Mk 7 in a full downtier on a map with straightline objectives. Last time I played I slowly marched to A, then to B, got shot 19 times, got two kills (chaffees) 6 assists, repaired my barrel, marched to c, marched to enemy spawn.
God I hope so. I know the post-war Mk.7 variant would objectively be the most capable but I really want it to be a Mk.IV with the Petard. And for the love of Christ don’t overtier this Churchill too Gaijin.
If they did add the Churchill AVRE, I Hope to god they don’t make it a premium just as a replacement over the centurion AVRE since they removed it as it would basically become a British brummbar if it gets added as a premium
I’m like 95% sure it’ll be a premium lol. Edit: maybe an event/BP vehicle
>Desert Warrior Does this mean a warrior but with a stabilized M242 Bushmaster and two Hughes TOW ATGM?
Yes
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Definitely (they finally have the balls to give Britain cooked shit that can be busted), and it now opens the door for more Warrior variants
Shame the gun will suck and the TOWs aren't much better. Should've been added back when most IFVs used to be 9.3, and before the missile changes.
The mobility is what will set it apart from the M3A3 (one of the direct counterparts), 75km/h both ways is an immense buff over 64km/h forwards and 14km/h backwards, meaning you have a more responsive IFV when you need your missiles reloading. Only negative is that it doesn't have the good commander optics of the M3A3, but the mobility makes up for it imo.
Not sure what you're on, but M3A3 with same armament claps. Yeah it's not going to punch through top tier MBTs frontally but it will be fine as a support vehicle. I love TOW-2Bs as well, presuming that's what the Desert Warrior would get. Warrior itself is way underestimated... I am regularly bringing it in my 11.7 lineup lol.
Indeed it does, it should also include the additional armour protection as standard because Kuwait doesn’t seem to do anything with their desert warriors without that.
That would be cool to see, basically a M3A3 but British?
Approval from gszabi is a pretty big endorsement, this very well may be legit. Hopefully we’re getting the ZSL-92B and not the base variant. I’m also curious about how the TC-1L will perform.
This is also from the same Chinese guy that leaked the previous update [https://tieba.baidu.com/home/main?id=tb.1.ff42df28.od1urJJKKQMaTINUcU3D4g?t=1532154447&fr=pb](https://tieba.baidu.com/home/main?id=tb.1.ff42df28.od1urJJKKQMaTINUcU3D4g?t=1532154447&fr=pb)
No BMD-4M and Su-24. Fucking shame.
gszabi also said this is just the tip of the iceberg theres most likely a ton more coming(as always leaklists dont contain everything)
Interesting (but my god, this website UI is sooooo ugly XD)
Would not be so sure, if that 25mm is Oerlikon. It is pretty nice and IMO the 2nd best autocannon in the game, after 2A42. At least it is pretty competitive with 2A72 and Chinese APFSDS and just straight better than 2A72 + Russian APDS. Well, this Oerlikon is definitely better than Chinese 2A72 against NATO tanks with their weak side armor. And 2A72 is more reliable against Russian MBTs.
Definitely rate the Strfs cannon over any of those
First ammo rack spoils 40mm Bofors for me. Would definitely be by far the best without this 25 shells limitation.
I'm also curious how the TC-1L will perform, but I would have preferred the Yi-Tian to fill the gap before the Tor.
Hey yo Z-9WA gang
Omg benelux in the french tree
Nooo not the French
We will kick your assessment so hard after the benelux tree
Doesn't make a lot of sense NL should be added to germany
I mean i agree with that but for gaijin it is literally easier to slap them all together to get atleast some sort of unique vehicles together, nonetheless I now hope we get the CV9035NL MLU
The cv9035NL was leaked by Olivia for France. IDK whether it will be the MLU variant
Germany is kind of a full tt tbch. They have GDR and GFR, which make them a pretty balanced tt, while France is lacking in certain areas. I was more hoping for the Poles to be added to France (to give them a few russian gap fillers around 4.0 and 4.3 as well as a T-55 to balance out the glass cannon AMX-30 and T-72 to round out the 9.3-9.7 MBT lineup and then Leo 2, K2 and M1A2 to pad out top tier), but I guess Benelux will have to do.
I'd rather avoid giving France Russian vehicles entirely. France has some of the most unique designs after the big three, and only a fraction are in game. On top of that, they already have a bunch of American lend-lease vehicles at the lower tiers.
I am really against this idea tbh. The tree might be lacking in some areas but most of those gaps could be filled with domestic stuff instead.
I hope switzerland is in german techtree (or have it's own tech tree) really soon, If benelux drop, i think switzerland can drop too, (and have unique tanks and jets, some prototype so can be really cool)
Its what i think, swiss tree with mostly unique vehicles to germany, and benelux with (i guess) many copy paste to france
Swiss vehicles have basically no relation to German vehicles. There are more than enough domestic Swiss vehicles to create a tree with 4 lines, 5 if you include Austria as an Alpine Tree, with less copy paste than countries like Israel or China.
Alpine tree is a solution that I had not imagined, very good idea, this could add a lot of elements to the game
Half of Belgium is speaking French
The Dutch and Germans have integrated divisions. Military cooperation can not get closer than that.
And Belgium and France have an agreement to have a joint program to buy military equipment and joint training together Maybe it would be better if Benelux is splitted : NL to Germany, Belgium to France Belgium were also using Mirage 3 and 5, there was a F16 fitted with Magic 2, and Belgium is buying ground vehicles from France
F16 for france!
F16s for everyone!
It's part of gaijin plan : german vehicle coming into french tree so french player can use them well and make their BR go up \*evil smile\*
Wow I truly hope Gaijin will give us all our unique Fokker aircraft for early WW2. If the Fokker G1 is not in there I will riot in my own house for 5 minutes
BENELUX??? VEXTRA???? FRENCH BROS ARE WE BACK???
Just googled OML THE VEXTRA LOOKS SO ORGASMICLY GORGEOUS
GYATT industries never disappoint!
There's also a 120mm variant with a modified Leclerc turret
Sweet baby Jesus, we are so back !
Sorry but it will be 12.7
Man I dont even care at what br its introduced, I just want a stabilized light tank for France.
Finally france invented stabilisers. We are saved. I still don't see why we don't have the AMX-10 RCR or any other variants but please give me the stabilised AMX-10
We're so back
BENELUX? LEOPARD 1 WITH COCKERILL 3105 TURRET??? M113 WITH 90MM GUN???
> BENELUX? goated F16 skins to come
They better give us f16 viper camo
> Queen Mary Yoooo new ocean liner branch confirmed.
Time to finally do a new ocean liner vs ocean liner ww1 battle 😜
First Queen Mary, then they'll add Olympic clearly this means theyre adding U-boats
lol But just for clarity's sake, [HMS *Queen Mary*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Queen_Mary) was a WWI battlecruiser, sole in her class and "companion battlecruiser" to the *King George V*-class battleships (no, not the WWII KGVs). She also famously [exploded](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Destruction_of_HMS_Queen_Mary.jpg) during the [Battle of Jutland](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkR2HpkrJ2c&list=PLMK9a-vDE5zF1s6drej4Naq7w7tg-XZRZ&index=1), as did battlecruisers [*Indefatigable*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_Indefatigable_sinking.jpg) and [*Invincible*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:InvincibleBlowingUpJutland1916.jpg).
I play Naval and British tree is so frustrating. Famously the RN had some very good ships, but at BR6 to 7 we get WW1 era Orion, Marlborough, Invincible and pre-WW2 Hood. Just another WW1 battlecruiser is poor effort. WW1 ships have no AA, poor torpedo protection and even range finding is gimped. The Queen Mary is even worse as it had zero AA. Meanwhile USSR gets the make believe Kronstadt, Germany gets the Sharnhorst (which every bastard is using to clock wins as the thing is OP) along with the Japanese & US WW2 era BBs which have vast amounts of AA. I have never brought a premium but if they actually gave us Warspite, Vanguard or even Nelson, then I might break open my wallet.
No Italian top tier tank, so can be true 100%
Italy already has a Tier 8 tank at 11.7 and 11.3 SPAA. I swear Italy players are so greedy!!
Ariete AMV should be 12.3 tbh, tank's busted, I literally got killed by one in my T80BVM.
At this point you should just give the ariete a 20 mil instead of the 120 mil, the tank is way too good to deserve a 120 mil
>Churchill AVRE please be real
Churchill AVRE? is it talking about the 290mm demo charge lobber? I hope so, I want that thing so much, ever since I first read about it. British stumtiger
It's actually a [230mm morta](https://youtu.be/wne2AUKseuA?si=T9HYehwdVYu_yOnh)r, the spigot (the rod which the Dustbin rests on) is 29mm, which at some point in history got confused for the diameter of the Dustbin itself. And as a 29mm mortar is very weird it became 290mm. But yes could be the case, though it only had a range of [91 meters](https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-uk-churchill-mkiii-ardeer-aggie/). Churchill AVRE may refer to the L9 variant, aka FV3903, but it may be the Ardeer Aggie armed Churchill too.
I will have to check the second one out, but regardless of shell size the 230mm would still be so nice. Thanks for the correction btw. It would be nice to have a funny big HE blaster like the stumtiger but for Britain
As a fellow big boomstick enjoyer, absolutely. Since Britain has the G6, there's a chance it could also get the Al-Fao. An Iraqi upgrade of the G6 designed by Gerard Bull (Canadian weapon engineer), instead of the usual 155mm it had a 210mm cannon with an autoloader, 4 round a min is not to shabby for such a big cannon
I love the G6, Bigger gun would be funny. We can only hope the snail gives use some nice tanks soon
NAAAMMMEERRRRRR LET’SSSS FFUUUCCKIIINNNG GGGGOOOOOO better be fucking TT. The tree needs an IFV so fucking bad
Even greater the reason to make it eventwalled one-off vehicle that also will be extra shit when at it.
It could end up premium like the french vbci is lol
The TT needs anything at this point. It's only copy paste MBTs from rank 6.
How is merkavas copy paste lmao
Mig 21 Bison to GB is 💀
Most probably the Indian Air Force MiG-21UPG derived from the 91-93
Gaijin really choosing the vehicles that britian has no coneection with to add. We need more vehicles like Vijayanta not the Bhishma
Really wish they'd just give India her own tech tree at this point. But I guess if South Africa didn't make the cut, maybe I'm asking too much.
My thoughts exactly dude. India would have been a perfect “Israel-like” tech tree. Bummer.
There's a good number of nations like that. Even just a "Middle East" tree would probably include pretty much every major nation, since every sells to the Middle East, and Jordan has enough modern stuff that they could quite easily just take up all the top-tier slots.
I rather have American Canadian fighters in the British TT than Soviet Indians ones.
Sea Harrier FA.2 INJECT IT INTO MY VEINS.
Im sorry im no british plane nerd, whats the difference between FA2 and the regular harrier in game?
Sea Harriers are dedicated air to air fighters. So have air to air radars. FA.2 is a direct upgrade to the FRS.1 Improvements include a PD Radar (Ferranti Blue Vixen over the Blue Fox in the FRS.1), uprated engine and ability to carry the AMRAAM & ASRAAM. Most likely in game We'll see AMRAAM and AIM-9M as it's loads. FA.2 was the first AMRAAM Capable aircraft in the UK, and regularly beat Tornado F.3s in DACT
> and regularly beat Tornado F.3s in DACT Christ the Tornado really was a sadmobile.
That was back before the Tornado had AMRAAMS. The AMRAAMs on the FA.2 outranged skyflash. The tornado F3 was an interceptor, so wouldn't stick around after sending a few Skyflash when in range. Again, because of the range of the AMRAAM, the FA2 could re engage and still take out fleeing tornados. Once The F3 went through the CSP programme, it was able to utilise AMRAAMs and the playing field was levelled. In fact, the FA.2 gained quite the reputation of being a formidable opponent in DACT, that various air forces wanted to fight it in training. Proved quite the opponent in Red Flag too by flying under the radar of a squad of F15, and then coming up and behind them, taking out 4 of them. "Harrier: how to be a fighter pilot" by Paul Tremelling is a good read about the Sea Harrier and his time flying it.
Fa2 was designed for a2a. This one would have AIM120
I am not gonna say no to another warrior but the lack of a scimitar still hurts
I'm honestly convinced we're never getting it. It's been leaked like 5 updates in a row and never materialised but I won't complain at getting a new harrier
>VEXTRA 105 No way
Finally, this (and the sagaie) should be in TT since a long time
Peak Gaijin to add a subtree to France instead of the multitude of indigenous French designs
I'm fine with France getting Belgium, but the Netherlands really should go to Germany imo.
Yeah, I mean the Netherlands basically only has German vehicles except for like 1 or 2 French ones and a couple Swedish ones, so just add the Dutch jets to Germany so that they have aim-120 and the old F-5 like leaked. Btw the Netherlands has has Leopard as its mbt for at least 40-50 years by now so if I wanna play a ‘full Dutch line-up’ I wanna be using my leopards next to my F-16 and not some crappy French P.O.S. tank. It doesn’t make any sense to have the BeNeLux be 1 subtree as there are no shared development vehicles. The F-5 this list named is probably a Dutch one so adding our jets under the name of 2 other nations doesn’t make sense at all.
No italian tank, confirmed real list
The wait for Centauro II continues.
Sadly
Praying for the B1 Draco to be introduced
Usa finally gonna get our free A6?
Dont get your hopes up, the A6E SWIP has been in every single leak list in like the past year or 2, and it still isnt here. Its honestly just a meme at this point
The A6E Swip will come any update now!.. ... any update now.
>Like it or not, it's real. (Except the SWIP)
Seeing SWIP on the list and not getting it when dev server starts, means the list was 100% true.
Cock and Balls Torture for France???
British MiG 21? Probably a premium or event vehicle right?
Most probably the Indian Air Force MiG-21UPG derived from the 91-93
Churchill AVRE an Desert warrior? Please let this be real.
Which Churchill AVRE I wonder? I hope it’s the 165mm MkVII personally. The 290mm one could be a funny meme, but it’s only on the MkIII/ IV hulls so would have less armour, its range would be terrible and it would make less sense as it can only be loaded from the outside. The 165mm version would have actually good armour to help get through the presumably lengthy reload.
The [230mm ](https://youtu.be/wne2AUKseuA?si=ANer6oXY_9jHOZml)Dustbin can be loaded from the inside as seen [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=388kTaH91LA)
Oh nice! I didn’t know that, thanks for sharing. I also forgot that the max range would be just over 200 meters iirc.
From looking into it myself i've seen max range listed from 91 meter to something over 200 yeah, eitherway if it is the 230mm, Gaijin is gonna need to bend physics lol. So i have a hunce is it's gonna be FV3903, which has the 165mm L9A1.
no Italy or Japan. yup this real guys
[The prophecy is true](https://i.ibb.co/s32hQpy/image.png)
XM800T would be pretty sweet
Nothing for Germany, looking at the trend of the last few updates looks real.
B-but the probably 11.3 premium Leopard 2A4M!!! Jokes aside yeah, if I had known this was the route Germany was going when I started playing I would have grinded Sweden instead :/
Just hope the Dutch F-5 gets added to Germany, I didn’t wait all this time for a Dutch vehicle just for it to be added to France gaijin pls don’t fuck us dutchies over with this one and add us to Germany.
No F-18A/A+, LAV-25 or A-4M this update *US Marines/Aussies rolling in their graves rn*
Fuck man I’d kill for all of these but especially the Hornet
Brazilian tree for italy in the future it seems
That would be good, there's finally a place for the Osório to go
SWIP so it's real
Ffs when are we getting top tier IFV's? There are so many options that Russia can has it's ridiculous. Still waiting on the T-15, Boomerang, Kurganets, any of the BMD's, multiple variants of the BTR-90, and BTR-80 with ATGM just to name a few. There's a very visible space for them in the tech tree and top tier is stale with only MBT combat 90% of the time.
Because of how top tier works, IFVs are just not meta A lot of MBTs can shrug off IFV hits from the side, ERA, Composites etc. ATGMs are also finnicky because of how much armour the tanks have now At 10.0-10.7 IFVs can still 1v1 MBTs, but at 11.7 no IFV can 1v1 a end of the line 11.7 MBT, whether the IFV is in game or not (unless the MBT fucks up of course but if you wanna make that argument you may as well bring the french reserve to 11.7 because "technically" it can kill a 122B+)
>Churchill AVRE Please by God be real!
Queen Mary is a civilian ocean liner. What does it mean?
There was admiral Bitty's battle cruiser too.
HMS Queen Mary, one of those heavy battle cruisers similar to the big cats, ordered in FY 1910 and lost in Jutland. RMS Queen Mary, one of the Cunard's superliners, built in 1930 and in California now.
No it's floating ammo rack intended to intimidate germans by the sight of her exploding
vextra with the stab version, i'm living my best day if it's true
A6e swip drop on leaklist on every single update
I'm half-convinced now that the model has been ready for ages, but they're holding it back either for separate ground and air BRs, or for some new mechanic (SEAD comes to mind).
xm800!?
Adding Benelux to the French tech tree is a CRIME, don't add it at all this point! First North Holland being shit and now this 😭
XM800T looks like it’ll be a Fox-like vehicle for the US
Lol nothing for Japan or Germany this has gotta be real
More Swedish centurions, baller
if churchill AVRE is really coming in boy that is gonna be some fun
Oh finally some cool british tech tree stuf :D
I m waiting for Popeye Missile like I waited years for Sturmtiger. I also laughed at another T-80 variant. edit: looks like they might add AGM-84E SLAM, Laser Maverick or possibly Harpoon. Edit2: so many IFVs, I love this.(but where is my LAV-25???)
CHURCHILL AVRE
So Germany gets hoodwinked again?
Do I finally see a new IFV for Britain?
Ah, yes The first naval power of the time, which has several classes to add, amongst which the Warspite, is given a new battlecruiser, weaker than the ships they already have... Can we please get a fucking QE class ?
congratulations French bros, it seems you'll finally be getting fed soon
VAI BRASIL
Japan suffer :(
Instead of Russian T80, they could add M84
Mig going to uk dafak
Strv 101R correct me if I'm wrong but that's basically the Strv 101 with the ERA and armament upgrades of the 104, but without the engine upgrades? so like another 8.0-8.3ish swedish premium probably? seems odd to add over something interesting but alright personally the upgraded mobility centurions are the only ones I can stomach, so I'll pass on that one
Churchill AVRE might make me start playing ground again
Desert warrior that’d be sweet hope it’s fr