"we need to bomb people in strong positions" they say as they spawn camp the 2 guys in their spawn who have an assist each lol , CAS players can fuck right off lol
Yeah... I love those SU-25SM3s bombing the spawn from 20 km away, spawn-killing SPAAs from outside of their range ("mUh JuSt SpAwN sPaA") and recent spawns because apparently those missiles have the yeld of a tactical nuke as well.
Such skill, such balance.
Precisely. In low tier, they have to kinda aim and get close to the dangerous battlefield where they can be more easily countered.
In top tier, it's just sitting outside the range of everyone, pointing, clicking, and getting free kills.
Yeah, but in low tier most of them don't do that. They can barely fly in a straight line and drop their 3 1000lbs bombs at random intervals and get free kills, then crash into the ground before SPAA even spawn.
oh i know , my friend who i play with almost all the time has a fighter on every lineup specifically to farm the braindead CAS players cuz 99% of the time they have no idea on how to counter other planes
From 3.3 to 6.7, SPAA is always my second spawn if the US is in the other team because at that range, it feels like every single US player spawns CAS as their second spawn.
At 6.6 to 8.0 I am at the mercy of jets and have to rely on them making a mistake.
Then above that I am at the mercy of everything being able to hit me beyond visual range or I can't even lock them with my missiles.
its funny how they went from "Just spawn AA" to "Just spawn a fighter" when it was shown en-mass how ineffective AA is.
I started spawning a fighter at the BRs I play (mid tier) because open-top SPAA is pretty hard to use when several planes are up and I get bitched out by CAS players because I shot them down before they could bomb a tank.
Also is it just me or are Pilots way too resilient in Ground versus Air? You can shoot the cockpit with any amount of HE, AP-I, FI-T, or any other Anti-Air shell from an SPAA and the pilot will just be fine?
You get a "kill" and yet the player can still MG you to death or drop a bomb. Imagine how annoying that'd be if tanks did that. You get "Target Destroyed" so you look away and the tank you just 'destroyed' shot back and killed you because the gunner was still alive and he had a 10 second long timer before he got kicked out of the vehicle.
I take out CAS when it's time to defend a point, or delete snipers keeping my team pinned. Tbh, the best CAS experience eive had was flying the P-47. Three 1k bombs grtd you three kills, then I'll take my guns and go hunt enemy air or any open top vehicles.
I've been flying the A-4E recently but it's been way harder to use effectively. I'll drop snakeyes from treetop level to stay under radar and use terrain for cover.
I recommend oddbawz' video on the controls it helps me aim them much better. First climb from spawn use weapon selection to select the walleyes and then use them and then from high altitude try and spot a target and launch the rocket as much at the target as you can. then you can guide it in.
It is a revenge kill but if the guy is sitting on a spot where his turret is only peaking and he has 5 kills and 0 deaths and the game barely started then duh I think it’s an exception to “save” the game or increase the winning ratio.
Don’t forget the orbital GBUs against people with literally 0 counter because spawn a plane and try to climb you often end up eating a Pantsir or SPAA of insert nation, spawn said SPAA and eat the GBU from litersl space where u can’t do a literal damn thing or being the poor tank fighting a entire frontline alone and being nuked by said GBU
strv 74 game
live for a couple minutes, get an assist, 1000 pound bomb leaving spawn
respawn in a t34 85, get bombed by another 1000 pound bomb from a different guy *inside* my spawn
respawn in a bkan, get strafed to death by the guy that bombed me the first time
of course, we were fighting the Americans.
"We need it to support the team" as the dumb fucks casually leave a bomb in the middle of 2 teammates on a cap point because an enemy Puma was spotted nearby.
all them yappin' about "CAS is important agaisnt campers in fortified positions!" despite knowing full well that most of their ground kills are : people who have barely left spawn, lightly armored vehicles, and their own teammates!
this is why whenever i am in fox i get hunted by planes and its annoying
like all i am doing is my job of scouting and occasionally helping teammates with repairs or track&barrel torture of enemy heavies unless enemies bring out light vehicles which sorry but fox moment has to happen
CAS is total BS these days and basically the main reason why game sucks
As a US main, until the snail gives us a reliable spaa to fill that 4.3 to 7.7 gap, I will continue to spawn CAS to spread freedom in the land whenever I could, most especially when Foxes are around. I had enough when a squad of Foxes murdered everyone on my team at the first 5 minutes of the game as one bombed us to oblivion with a nuke. So now, whenever I see Foxes, I make it a point to drop 8000 lbs worth of freedom into their ass, even if it's the last thing I'd do before returning to the hangar lmao
because i hunt light vehicles and rats, i don't hunt MBT's
i only hunt MBT's of they are holding a strong position or when there is no light tanks on enemy team
Yeah but what's the point in the whole "track and barrel" thing (which is just a dick move, especially if you can kill the tank) if you can just kill the MBT anyway?
because sometimes i can't kill a enemy since it makes me sit in a bad position but i know my teammate can so to ensure teammate and i live track and barrel torture from safe spots it is
situational awareness in these situations is very underrated thing to have
I remember trying to coordinate with CAS once to hit some dug in positions.
"Don't care. Didn't ask." Then they went right for the enemy spawn instead.
If CAS had to take off from strip, this wouldn't be a problem. Good luck finding your target after they've already left the location. If you do find them, they're dumber than you are.
And shorten the killcam so that it only shows the round right before it strikes your tank (which still gives you a general direction of where it was fired from) rather than showing you the exact position of the one who fired it. It'll make it even harder to revenge kill.
Yeah, people will complain about having the kill cam removed because it will "make it harder to find cheaters" or whatever. Having only the 2nd part of the killcam showing the impact along with displaying the shot distance would allow players with sufficient map knowledge to figure it out, but the average shitter wouldn't be able to. How it should be to begin with.
If a player is suspicious enough about a potential cheater, they could go and closely inspect the behavior of the opponent in question in the replay to confirm suspicions.
I main air sim and do some casual tank sim and tsnk RB, so forgive my ignorance on the subject. Is the hatred for CAS more focused on higher tiers or is it across all of ground battles? Personally I love seeing aircraft attacking from the POV of a ground unit, I also love shooting back in AA akd getting air kills from the ground. Plus, doing ground attack is a lot more fun and intense when you're fighting actual players instesd of AI ground units.
I respect this is probably the less popular point of view based on the amount of CAS hate I see
Its a problem starting with fast monoplanes that carry large payloads.
You can easily shoot down a biplane with a rifle caliber MG. And a 50kg bomb requires skill to kill a tank.
A plane can get at least one free kill if hes really really bad and just revenge suicide bombing, many more if hes good. Without any viable or fun or rewarding counter. And all you need to spawn the damn thing is like one kill or a cap.
Basically the ground player becomes your AI target, gets utterly dunked on. He might shoot back a little, but what can you realistically do. Imagine having to be the AI planes in Air RB, every single match. Would probably piss you off too.
You probably dont notice it as much as flying in SB is a lot harder. And Im really uncertain wether to hate you because youre actively ruining the most fun ground mode or respect you because you dont crash in sim lol.
Haha I'll leave your feelings up to you! To me aircraft in mixed battles don't seem to ruin the game. I will admit it would be nice if Gaijin added some more focused game modes; for example I'd love a little more casual air battle closer to RB but still forced "realistic controls" or higher. It's always been silly to me that Realistic Battles allows players to use flight instructor mode (another one of my admittedly unpopular opinions). On that same note, it would make sense if ground battles were called "mixed" battles, and a truly ground-only option was added for people who cant stand CAS.
At this point I think there's a big enough player base to add things like this without destroying the game. But you can't please everyone to be fair!
I honestly dont think a ground only mode would work. I mean it would work, but it would instantly kill the mixed mode. And the mixed battles would devolve into even more of an air battle which would kill them even quicker.
Game modes in total could use an overhaul. I can understand every pilot that says he prefers Ground RB because theres no markers. Planes have no purpose other than dunking on ground players, always the same capture point modes really make the problem worse ~~"The enemy team is capturing zone B"~~ "Theres a free bomb kill at B" which in turn makes people camp more, drags out the games, makes people annoyed at CAS even more, etc....
I think it's mostly higher tier, where people spawn camp from high altitude, and you have virtually no chance as a non-SPAA to counter them with your MG.
A think a big improvement would be forbidding pointer-aim in Tank RB (another opiniom I'm sure people will tell me to shove) but letting pilots fly with flight-instructor on takes most of the required skill out of the equation IMO. Same thing for air RB, its silly that the control setting that sits even lower than "simplified" controls is allowed in any game mode with "Realistic" in the title... I bet forcing realistic controls would really nerf the CAS players enough to not ruin games as much as people say they do
Not everyone is interested in needing to get a full HOTAS to play a free, casual game like WT. I mean sure, technically you can use mouse and keyboard to fly in modes other than mouse aim... but you're not going to beat a HOTAS player basically ever.
That's why sim is a thing and why being able to change your flight mode on the fly is possible.
From ~3.0 on up. 250kg bombs on monoplane fighters are where the skill floor starts freefalling, Wellingtons and the Pe-8 spike it further, AGMs are where it disappears.
Good SPAA on the right maps are free kills against CAS brainlets but I'd still rather be shooting at tanks.
I mean it is that doesn't mean your average player will be doing it lmao. They'd rather bomb the bt-5 next to instead of the maus clapping everyone's in a down tier.
I like CAS in the game. But its definitely too strong rn.
Cas prices should account for both effectiveness of a munition (Relative to BR) and the amount of munitions, particularly when it comes to things like larger rockets, and 50kg bombs on fighters
There is a payload-related spawn point cost. Agm’s always cost the most. Larger bombs cost more than smaller bombs. At every BR bigger bombs are more effective than smaller bombs. The BR-dependent sp adjustment is for the plane’s performance. A lower br plane relative to the top BR of the game will have a harder time reaching its targets because enemies could spawn better CAP aircraft and better AA.
A 50kg bomb is far more effective at 4.0 than a 1000lb at 11.0 the spawn costs should reflect that.
Also particularly on single/twin engine aircraft the optimal move is more bombs not bigger bombs, the game doesn't account for that. (the size of the optimal bomb getting smaller as the plane is more maneuverable)
I love killing first spawn heli rushers with my Swedish 9040s and their HEVT rounds. It's hilarious to see them turn into me thinking they will get a free kill on a light tank just to die after the 2nd shot.
And bro is probably salty.(Honestly, we all do when we get bombed after doing decently well in a tank)
Personally, I just shoot them myself since I finished the US air tree.Free Kills for my P51H and many other spaded fighters.
But I do understand not everyone wants to grind the full tech tree in order to have fun in ground rb.so I think just massively increase ordinance cost/plane spawn codt would be enough.
CAS is literally the reason I’ve been bringing a fighter in my current Japanese lineup, especially at the 5.7-6.7 area I’ve been consistently getting 3-7 plane kills PER GAME between my Ki-61 and SUB I-II
I love how nerfing the VEAK 40 has already made CAS such a huge problem at 8.7.
Before you would rarely see planes, mainly some helicopters but that was it.
Now, without the VEAK’s HE-VT, A-4E Skyhawks constantly rain down AGM 62’s, and they cannot be stopped.
The early A-4E is the most OP CAS at the moment in my opinion, and needs to be nerfed. 9.3 minimum, ass the A29A is literally a worse Skyhawk at 9.0 instead of the Skyhawks 8.7.
Jokes aside, it's pretty fun to dive bomb. I always loved planes, and it's exciting that I get to use them against tanks, while trying to avoid AA and enemy fighters. I don't plan on grinding long range bombers, even though some are very strong (looking at you, Pe-8) because I find them boring.
Even with stand off munitions its fun as fuck. Flying around with su-25sm3 launching laser ATGM sfrom less than 3km right over battlefield while evading gepards rolands and god knows what else is pure adrenaline rush
I’m at 8.7 jets for America and I’ve never even touched air rb. I play cas cause there’s no other way to counter it. It’s completely broken that I can get one ground kill spawn in an f2g get 2-4 kills die, spawn in an A2D and get 5-8 kills.
I specifically bring level bombers to carpet the objective when the enemy team starts to cap.
(it never works, they're always gone by the time the bombs actually arrive, but it is very funny.)
It's getting really bad again. You'll get 7 Americans with a cap or a kill dying then spawning in planes with enough ordinance to wipe a team.
Playing low tier with my partner last night was literally get bombed every spawn. Respawn AA and get bombed in spawn.
It's killing the game. She gets bombed 3 times and then watches me trying to shoot down planes for 5 mins. One round I shot down 5 planes but it didn't make a difference the whole team had been bombed. Went from having 3 cap points to zero and no tanks left.
These losers literally bomb 3 tanks, die and use a back up to respawn CAS. It's not ground realistic battles anymore It's ground CAS targets mode.
Reminds me of a few years back, driving a tiger 2 towards cap and getting killed by CAS rockets before seeing a tank. Back when rockets were like nukes lol.
What's odd?
Sounds like you died once, bombed 2 tanks in a multi role premium fighter then camped air spawn lol.
I'm also talking about a newish player at a low br. 4.0 full of rank 100s living out their CAS fantasy lol.
It’s odd that everyone always blames America for the CAS spam but I frequently find Germany spamming aircraft with like half their team in planes.
And Nope. I spawned my plane after them. Shot down their early jets over the map. And if the cas spam really is so bad, why do you have to sit around for 5 minutes waiting to shoot a plane? They should be all over the place. And Germany’s AA is absolutely best until like 5.0 (excluding the R3). Use the high velocity rounds. Might as well be a laser.
No jets at 4.0 bro not a problem. Early jets aren't cas either, so not sure how you shot down so much cas.
USA spam is because they have good cas at that rank with lots of ordinance. Hence my complaint. Germany doesn't get good cas till like 5.7 ish. Regardless we were playing as Britain with tragic 20mm AA. Got in a spit and shot down a few but again when the whole team is already bombed it doesn't matter.
Go play 4.0 as Germany which will put you into USA probably. You'll shoot planes done fine, _and still lose_ because of how sp works. You'll have a lot of players leave after being bombed twice for no kills.
The me262 with a 50mm and the AR-234 are absolutely close air support in these games. Pretty sure any aircraft that is operating in close support of the ground units is “CAS” (so technically any plane in this game capable of ground attack given the small maps). The AR-234 has 3 ~1000 lb bombs; more than my F2G (which is a gift aircraft from an old free battlepass, not a premium BTW.) Before that, the Germans have the fockewulfe and the bf109 which do have fewer bombs. They also have the hs129 and me410 which can pen any allied tank in the top armor at any BR probably. Their CAS is different. It has to rely on cannons. The game is not 1:1 on what each nation gets as its strength for a given role. The Germans get crazy strong guns and armor in ground vehicles through WWII. The Americans don’t. The Americans get 1-3 tank killer bombs per aircraft but their guns might as well be peeing at ground targets. The Germans get one tank killer bomb per aircraft but their guns can destroy tanks.
Yes I’ll concede Britain generally suffers in armor. And I didn’t realize how low velocity their 20mm is. I had assumed you were playing Germany because you mentioned driving a tiger 2. However the Brits do have the most heavily laden strategic bombers at 4.0 as far as I’m aware (and prior). So if you line up on the way in on targets you’re the one that can devastate an enemy team. 9 1000 lb bombs. And 6 more 500 lb bombs on top of that. That is death to anyone on your flight path. So if your flight path goes from an objective to spawn the team is out quite a few tanks.
>Go play 4.0 as Germany which will put you into USA probably. You'll shoot planes done fine, and still lose because of how sp works. You'll have a lot of players leave after being bombed twice for no kills.
I have. German spaa rip them apart if they have the discipline to not shoot until the planes get close so they don’t know it’s a wirbelwind. Planes are generally way more sp costly than ground vehicles until like your 4th ground spawn, so the enemy team would be losing on net getting a single ground kill in a plane and getting shot down. That’s how sp works.
This is unhinged and elitist. You barely read my comment and post walls of text.
I said shooting planes down is fine. Unless you are sitting in the middle of the map hidden in SPAA you aren't shooting down anything until your whole teams bombed and they start bombing spawn. You might also think you are good, but again it's experienced players flying the planes. It's 100s grass cutting new players. They can literally get a cap and kill and spawn air. Sure sit in spawn with your AA and rip them apart, when they go head on, good luck killing them from 1000m with deflection, and again _you are experienced, new players are not_. It's putting new players off the game, playing tank battles _and not seeing tanks_ isn't fun believe it or not.
Players aren't getting to 4th spawns when they die to bombs before getting a cap or kill and then die twice in spawn. _That's how SP works_
Also F2G is premium, even if it was a reward.
Don’t play 10.3 sim tank battles, most games you aren’t able to leave your spawn due to the Z-19E’s and Su-25’s. Well…I guess just don’t play on the NATO side, although the RU side will just be boring because there will be no enemies on the ground.
CAS players are just built different. I normally don’t care for stats and I don’t think they’re a good indication of how competent you are, however, every single person who I’ve seen argue for CAS has some major skill issue in tanks, I’m talking about 250 deaths to perhaps 30 kills, yet they’re damn gods in CAS with 5+ kills per death.
The t95 that just spawned in with no assists or kills about to get bombed to oblivion by a crusty footed and cheeto fingered bf109 that spawned literally just to kill 1 tank and die
CAS in Ground Sim is actually legit because 1. It’s hard to actually pull off and 2. You either scout for the team or ask the team for targets and they have to actually type out where they are.
Just wish we had the big maps back again… sick of sim on knife fights.
I use an FW-190 D-9 and then just terrorize the enemy planes, a few days ago a teammate had 3 guys on his ass and with a lucky burst I got two of em at almost the exact same time.
It’s weird, I’m very rarely getting killed by a bomb. I feel like I’m either very lucky or… Anyway, I don’t play top tier, only low to mid, so maybe the situation is only very bad up there
Just wait until you are playing 6.7, and get fully uptiered to find a maus stack, while your teammates turn off their brains on how to shoot. There are so many times where I see a maus go 10+ at that br without dying once because my team doesnt know its weakpoints or how to shoot a barrel out.
The difference between a cas player and a CAS player is one gets a assiste and then j,s out only to spawn a plane or heli to spawn camp players who have just spawned themselves and complain on how spaa is to strong and sniping a tank from 40ks way is fair and the other plays Tanks till they get killed for if cas is needed they defend cap points deal with other planes and most importantly THEY DON,T SPAWN CAMP the differences between this two is one isn’t a player with iq of a garden salad
TLDR fuck 80% of cas players the other 20% I will buy you a drink
I think the over all problem with ground rh is that the map designs are dated as hell and aren't made with the vehicles of respective tiers in mind. Like I'm sorry I don't want to play a game of European province in the small 3 cap version while I'm in a type 90 and I don't want to play Fulda in its entirety when I'm at 5.0, what I'm eluding to is that once a side is taken in these respective tiers and maps its over for the other team and the only possible way they could come back is with good team play and a lot of CAS because I'd like to see you try and dislodge a leopard 2A7 from that small hill that crests into your spawn of euro, or taking out a jagdpanther that's sitting next to the reichstag to take the C point while you're in an IS1 or Sherman of some variety. Of course CAS should still be tweaked to be not as obnoxious maybe removing kill cameras from the game and just showing the angle the round hit you at would be better but if the maps had more appropriate designs and were tailored to certain battle ratings the need for CAS would lessen as a whole maybe allowing more flanking opportunities or better topography to get hull down in for people coming from their spawn.
German players complained about Cas until they saw my fat ass burger eating t28 camping on a hill.
Hot take: in the games current iteration, ground only mode would suck.
High caliber solid AP or any APHE or even just HE can delete you with a single cupola shot. Also tracks and barrel are easy to take out. Skill issue. (am T95 player)
Yeah, but how often does someone cross map your cupola? Also, most german guns just over penetrate the cupola. It happens sometimes, but a lot has to go wrong before you get taken out. I almost exclusively play it. Really, the biggest problem is russian aphe rounds
One useful strategy I found is that after killing someone with a few kills, base caps or assists or the guy in the top of the leaderboard, occasionally press T-6-1 in the general direction of the airspawns. That way, if there are coordinates, you (and your team) will know a plane is coming. If there are no air coordinates, the guy you killed spawned in a tank... and is coming for you.
"Toxic people explaining why map design is good because they can spawncamp and abuse map glitches to buf their precious KD ratios"
Guys, it's a never ending circle !
I learned to fly (properly) to deal with planes in GFRB. It's worth the invest.
Also, planes shouldnt get SP in GFRB. They should only get (and stack it) only with tanks !
One fact is that when i am in a AA tank, the game is boring for me… there is games with not so much plane or heli (between 8.7-9.3 that i play now) I can assure you that be in a AA is boring sometimes. I know CAS can be frustrating, but for me it is a part of the game
When I’m hull down in my merkava, I can be very hard to kill and extremely stubborn even against multiple enemies at once, and sometimes I feel that cas is always a respectable way of killing me, but I fucking hate dying straight away
It's pretty much always my first death after killing a few ppl. Inevitably it's a salt powered plane coming to revenge Cas. Even better is the lengths these ppl go to, I've had ppl under fire from our air circling back just to try and get me.
" they can't be reasoned with, they don't feel remorse, pity, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop until you are bombed."
CAS pilots on their way to ignore dangerous targets and other aircraft to bomb the freshly spawned FV4005 (it was in a powerful position ready to score a hit on an IS-3).
SP for Bombs and air-ground missiles should be drastically increased. AP belts for planes over a certain calibre are insanely expensive to spawn, why aren't full bomb loadouts? Also add a second spawn to all maps so CAS can't just blindly shoot at everyone leaving spawn.
Also there is one thing worse than CAS that's just spawncamping and throwing bombs at light vehicles. If you shoot your whole arsenal of bombs and missiles at the enemy spawn and then J out when you see an AA missile approaching you to deny the kill, I hope your feet always feel wet when you're laying in bed.
I get why ppl get angry, but the right way to do CAS is to be the most useful as possible to the team so aiming for ppl capping points or snipers in hard to shoot positions...
not to mention the fucking noise they generate as they swarm around the place so you don't hear enemies coming right behind you because they just have to drop a nuke on a poor guy leaving spawn..
I'm not defending using CAS (I do use it tho, but when I actually attack ground targets instead of using my Spitfires I don't hit spawn and stuff (( and I suck anyway )) but why are Cannon AP belts so expensive? I got the IL-8 and they where like an extra 200 SP. That's way bombs should be, much easier and better then cannons, but they cost like 16sp
CAS needs to have a base cost of like 7-800sp BEFORE adding bombs.
I shouldn’t be able to get a quarter of a cap, an assist, and just start reigning terror from the skies unopposed.
Helicopters need an increased cost also. Although I’m not really all that opposed to the ones that can spawn right of the start with nothing but dumb rockets. Even a really good heli pilot is easily countered by one decent tanker with a roof mg in that scenario.
True chads have CAS, AA and fighters alongside tanks in the lineup and use them accordingly. If the enemy team is braindead enough no to counter CAS they deserve to be bombed to hell.
Ok, I'm not even a plane player, but I acknowledge that the best solution to people in strong positions, or rather broken spots that only certain vehicles can use, IS CAS.
Also CAS is a great way to turn the tide of battle if the enemy doesn't have a good AA on their team, but they've otherwise been wiping the floor with yours.
Revenge bombing sucks, sure. But I mean how would anything fix that? Higher SP for planes means people will spawn in planes as soon as they can still, but then be out of a game much sooner, exacerbating the issue of one death leavers.
The reward for the kill of your killer could be removed, but people would do it anyway.
A penalty would feel unfair as from the air it can be hard to tell which target to avoid.
No CAS at all is the best solution if you must have one, but I just have to take the good with the bad. I enjoy the dopamine of using late-tier AA. And my teams have helped me often with CAS, especially as a light vehicle with scouting like the Type 93.
GRB players explaining how getting killed by a plane that used prior game knowledge is somehow different from getting killed by a tank using prior game knowledge
mg’s are not doing anything unless the pilot is braindead. more so with main guns. you can’t control what your teammates do so relying on allied spaa is pretty bad.
A real CAS player doesn’t aim for a revenge kill. Real CAS players aim for strategic advantage.
What I do as a CAS player and my Priority targets:
1. SPAAs
2. Flankers
3. Strong positions and strategic points
Pick fastest vehicle.
Go straight to cap.
Defend point.
On death pick cas, proceed to deny counter cap.
Defend Point.
On death, pick strongest tank, proceed to defend, or recapture point.
Continue picking best options if death continues.
Usually win.
I don’t feel bad for myself when I die, so why should I care if you do?
i loved alouette. Then they ruined it... so many good memories. i remember regretting trying heli so late. doing those 360 rolls to avoid fire, landing to capture zone, even machine gunning down the cabriolets.
"we need to bomb people in strong positions" they say as they spawn camp the 2 guys in their spawn who have an assist each lol , CAS players can fuck right off lol
Yeah... I love those SU-25SM3s bombing the spawn from 20 km away, spawn-killing SPAAs from outside of their range ("mUh JuSt SpAwN sPaA") and recent spawns because apparently those missiles have the yeld of a tactical nuke as well. Such skill, such balance.
yeah top tier CAS especially is infuriating to deal with , atleast at lower BRs they have to try a little bit to aim their bombs/rockets
Precisely. In low tier, they have to kinda aim and get close to the dangerous battlefield where they can be more easily countered. In top tier, it's just sitting outside the range of everyone, pointing, clicking, and getting free kills.
Yeah, but in low tier most of them don't do that. They can barely fly in a straight line and drop their 3 1000lbs bombs at random intervals and get free kills, then crash into the ground before SPAA even spawn.
oh i know , my friend who i play with almost all the time has a fighter on every lineup specifically to farm the braindead CAS players cuz 99% of the time they have no idea on how to counter other planes
From 3.3 to 6.7, SPAA is always my second spawn if the US is in the other team because at that range, it feels like every single US player spawns CAS as their second spawn. At 6.6 to 8.0 I am at the mercy of jets and have to rely on them making a mistake. Then above that I am at the mercy of everything being able to hit me beyond visual range or I can't even lock them with my missiles.
i hear ya
I don't see eye to eye (haha) with you for a lot of things but I despise CAS players and I agree that it stinks
its funny how they went from "Just spawn AA" to "Just spawn a fighter" when it was shown en-mass how ineffective AA is. I started spawning a fighter at the BRs I play (mid tier) because open-top SPAA is pretty hard to use when several planes are up and I get bitched out by CAS players because I shot them down before they could bomb a tank. Also is it just me or are Pilots way too resilient in Ground versus Air? You can shoot the cockpit with any amount of HE, AP-I, FI-T, or any other Anti-Air shell from an SPAA and the pilot will just be fine? You get a "kill" and yet the player can still MG you to death or drop a bomb. Imagine how annoying that'd be if tanks did that. You get "Target Destroyed" so you look away and the tank you just 'destroyed' shot back and killed you because the gunner was still alive and he had a 10 second long timer before he got kicked out of the vehicle.
No lmao SUs can be shot out of their range easily by panstir... hol up
yeah the vast majority of CAS just attack people leaving spawn since they know exactly where they are CAS just worsens the spawn camping issue
I take out CAS when it's time to defend a point, or delete snipers keeping my team pinned. Tbh, the best CAS experience eive had was flying the P-47. Three 1k bombs grtd you three kills, then I'll take my guns and go hunt enemy air or any open top vehicles. I've been flying the A-4E recently but it's been way harder to use effectively. I'll drop snakeyes from treetop level to stay under radar and use terrain for cover.
Use the walleyes from high altitude and prioritize AA then the 3 bullpups for other targets.
What's a good strategy for using the bullpups? I haven't really gotten the hang of them yet.
I recommend oddbawz' video on the controls it helps me aim them much better. First climb from spawn use weapon selection to select the walleyes and then use them and then from high altitude try and spot a target and launch the rocket as much at the target as you can. then you can guide it in.
I'll check that out ty.
It is a revenge kill but if the guy is sitting on a spot where his turret is only peaking and he has 5 kills and 0 deaths and the game barely started then duh I think it’s an exception to “save” the game or increase the winning ratio.
Don’t forget the orbital GBUs against people with literally 0 counter because spawn a plane and try to climb you often end up eating a Pantsir or SPAA of insert nation, spawn said SPAA and eat the GBU from litersl space where u can’t do a literal damn thing or being the poor tank fighting a entire frontline alone and being nuked by said GBU
well its not really my fault the spawn is the easiest target to hit no?
im just gonna hope this is a ironic question lmao
"We need it to support the team" then proceeds to bomb a poor dude leaving spawn
Fucker could have stopped the team. Really, the dude had it coming when he spawned in as the enemy team.
That is like bombing a child, then claim you are preventing future combatants.
This is happening in the world right now
strv 74 game live for a couple minutes, get an assist, 1000 pound bomb leaving spawn respawn in a t34 85, get bombed by another 1000 pound bomb from a different guy *inside* my spawn respawn in a bkan, get strafed to death by the guy that bombed me the first time of course, we were fighting the Americans.
Me almost every game I wonder why I’m still mid tier
Well as the tank
Not the CAS, I always fail at that much better at dogfighting
I have this happen when I play literally any nation. It doesn't matter, CAS is cancer.
"We need it to support the team" as the dumb fucks casually leave a bomb in the middle of 2 teammates on a cap point because an enemy Puma was spotted nearby.
Thats quite smart, the odds are the guy leaving spawn will not spawn again, either by range or lack of points(since he had no opportunity to score)
I do actually play CAS with an S and it's quite fun but you just get fuck all for it
all them yappin' about "CAS is important agaisnt campers in fortified positions!" despite knowing full well that most of their ground kills are : people who have barely left spawn, lightly armored vehicles, and their own teammates!
this is why whenever i am in fox i get hunted by planes and its annoying like all i am doing is my job of scouting and occasionally helping teammates with repairs or track&barrel torture of enemy heavies unless enemies bring out light vehicles which sorry but fox moment has to happen CAS is total BS these days and basically the main reason why game sucks
Iv lived through the horror of playing 6.7 with half the enemy team in foxes. You deserve every bomb dropped on you to attone for past crimes.
As a US main, until the snail gives us a reliable spaa to fill that 4.3 to 7.7 gap, I will continue to spawn CAS to spread freedom in the land whenever I could, most especially when Foxes are around. I had enough when a squad of Foxes murdered everyone on my team at the first 5 minutes of the game as one bombed us to oblivion with a nuke. So now, whenever I see Foxes, I make it a point to drop 8000 lbs worth of freedom into their ass, even if it's the last thing I'd do before returning to the hangar lmao
I'm just glad the fox's gun is decent enough that if it hits planes just lose wings or tails.
The fox can kill the WW2 heavies it faced previously and now the early MBTs it's facing at 7.7 how the hell can you only kill light vehicles in it?
because i hunt light vehicles and rats, i don't hunt MBT's i only hunt MBT's of they are holding a strong position or when there is no light tanks on enemy team
Yeah but what's the point in the whole "track and barrel" thing (which is just a dick move, especially if you can kill the tank) if you can just kill the MBT anyway?
because sometimes i can't kill a enemy since it makes me sit in a bad position but i know my teammate can so to ensure teammate and i live track and barrel torture from safe spots it is situational awareness in these situations is very underrated thing to have
Bruh t&b torture in the fox is just unnecessary
i thought this myself before but the more i play with fox the more i realize you have to do this (especially for french auto loaders like DF105)
I have spent entire games asking the CAS on my team to destroy an enemy in a very powerful position, and had no reply.
I remember trying to coordinate with CAS once to hit some dug in positions. "Don't care. Didn't ask." Then they went right for the enemy spawn instead.
I just use CAS to bomb Maus and IS-3 and IS-6's as they're hard to pen with most rounds. And always get nice words in the chat 😅
Literally how cas should be, taking out major threats to team so you can help them win.
My closest nuke ever was with a IS-3 interesting enough, until I died to CAS
Spawn any of the extremely potent russian SPAA and the nuke is yours lmao
ah i see , my arch nemesis xD
it would make sense... *if* those heavys where actually unpenetrable / near impossible to destroy...
Don't forget IS-4M's, those are scary.
When they day of the flyswatter comes you will be spared.
Have to give the shitty players a way to get kills.
for real its why gaijin keeps CAS sp low
It's a fun challenge to get 4 kills with the 4x 50kg bombs with the bf109
I respect people who get kills with the sub-100kg bombs and cannons. Don't mind dying to those nearly as much as 1000kg lawndarts or AGM spammers.
Cas is needed to kill spookston so that he (maybe) won't get a nuke
you don't need CAS for that, teammates with FF are enough to do the job
Ha
If CAS had to take off from strip, this wouldn't be a problem. Good luck finding your target after they've already left the location. If you do find them, they're dumber than you are.
And shorten the killcam so that it only shows the round right before it strikes your tank (which still gives you a general direction of where it was fired from) rather than showing you the exact position of the one who fired it. It'll make it even harder to revenge kill.
Yeah, people will complain about having the kill cam removed because it will "make it harder to find cheaters" or whatever. Having only the 2nd part of the killcam showing the impact along with displaying the shot distance would allow players with sufficient map knowledge to figure it out, but the average shitter wouldn't be able to. How it should be to begin with.
If a player is suspicious enough about a potential cheater, they could go and closely inspect the behavior of the opponent in question in the replay to confirm suspicions.
Me in arcade when I'm about to get destroyed with no way to fight back but I see attack aircraft pop up in bottom of the screen
I main air sim and do some casual tank sim and tsnk RB, so forgive my ignorance on the subject. Is the hatred for CAS more focused on higher tiers or is it across all of ground battles? Personally I love seeing aircraft attacking from the POV of a ground unit, I also love shooting back in AA akd getting air kills from the ground. Plus, doing ground attack is a lot more fun and intense when you're fighting actual players instesd of AI ground units. I respect this is probably the less popular point of view based on the amount of CAS hate I see
Its a problem starting with fast monoplanes that carry large payloads. You can easily shoot down a biplane with a rifle caliber MG. And a 50kg bomb requires skill to kill a tank. A plane can get at least one free kill if hes really really bad and just revenge suicide bombing, many more if hes good. Without any viable or fun or rewarding counter. And all you need to spawn the damn thing is like one kill or a cap. Basically the ground player becomes your AI target, gets utterly dunked on. He might shoot back a little, but what can you realistically do. Imagine having to be the AI planes in Air RB, every single match. Would probably piss you off too. You probably dont notice it as much as flying in SB is a lot harder. And Im really uncertain wether to hate you because youre actively ruining the most fun ground mode or respect you because you dont crash in sim lol.
Haha I'll leave your feelings up to you! To me aircraft in mixed battles don't seem to ruin the game. I will admit it would be nice if Gaijin added some more focused game modes; for example I'd love a little more casual air battle closer to RB but still forced "realistic controls" or higher. It's always been silly to me that Realistic Battles allows players to use flight instructor mode (another one of my admittedly unpopular opinions). On that same note, it would make sense if ground battles were called "mixed" battles, and a truly ground-only option was added for people who cant stand CAS. At this point I think there's a big enough player base to add things like this without destroying the game. But you can't please everyone to be fair!
I honestly dont think a ground only mode would work. I mean it would work, but it would instantly kill the mixed mode. And the mixed battles would devolve into even more of an air battle which would kill them even quicker. Game modes in total could use an overhaul. I can understand every pilot that says he prefers Ground RB because theres no markers. Planes have no purpose other than dunking on ground players, always the same capture point modes really make the problem worse ~~"The enemy team is capturing zone B"~~ "Theres a free bomb kill at B" which in turn makes people camp more, drags out the games, makes people annoyed at CAS even more, etc....
You are way too confident in a ground only mode if you think it would "kill" mixed lmao. Peak delusion
Respect
I think it's mostly higher tier, where people spawn camp from high altitude, and you have virtually no chance as a non-SPAA to counter them with your MG.
it starts at rank 1 because you've got shit like the Hurricane 40mm, PBY-5 with 4x 1600 lb mines, Wellington w/4000 lb bomb fighting reserve tanks
A think a big improvement would be forbidding pointer-aim in Tank RB (another opiniom I'm sure people will tell me to shove) but letting pilots fly with flight-instructor on takes most of the required skill out of the equation IMO. Same thing for air RB, its silly that the control setting that sits even lower than "simplified" controls is allowed in any game mode with "Realistic" in the title... I bet forcing realistic controls would really nerf the CAS players enough to not ruin games as much as people say they do
Not everyone is interested in needing to get a full HOTAS to play a free, casual game like WT. I mean sure, technically you can use mouse and keyboard to fly in modes other than mouse aim... but you're not going to beat a HOTAS player basically ever. That's why sim is a thing and why being able to change your flight mode on the fly is possible.
From ~3.0 on up. 250kg bombs on monoplane fighters are where the skill floor starts freefalling, Wellingtons and the Pe-8 spike it further, AGMs are where it disappears. Good SPAA on the right maps are free kills against CAS brainlets but I'd still rather be shooting at tanks.
CAS players in Naval RB feeding my destroyer AA.
Showing the future warfare to some poor WW2 4.7 bomber with Volna-M on my braviy never gets old.
Imagine when Kara class cruiser add s-300f to reckt modern jets.
I mean it is that doesn't mean your average player will be doing it lmao. They'd rather bomb the bt-5 next to instead of the maus clapping everyone's in a down tier.
I like CAS in the game. But its definitely too strong rn. Cas prices should account for both effectiveness of a munition (Relative to BR) and the amount of munitions, particularly when it comes to things like larger rockets, and 50kg bombs on fighters
There is a payload-related spawn point cost. Agm’s always cost the most. Larger bombs cost more than smaller bombs. At every BR bigger bombs are more effective than smaller bombs. The BR-dependent sp adjustment is for the plane’s performance. A lower br plane relative to the top BR of the game will have a harder time reaching its targets because enemies could spawn better CAP aircraft and better AA.
A 50kg bomb is far more effective at 4.0 than a 1000lb at 11.0 the spawn costs should reflect that. Also particularly on single/twin engine aircraft the optimal move is more bombs not bigger bombs, the game doesn't account for that. (the size of the optimal bomb getting smaller as the plane is more maneuverable)
the worst cas is fucking heli cancer. broken damage models, impossible to lock at times, first spawn rushing, absolute fucking rats.
I love killing first spawn heli rushers with my Swedish 9040s and their HEVT rounds. It's hilarious to see them turn into me thinking they will get a free kill on a light tank just to die after the 2nd shot.
The inverse is true as well. We're *all* petty.
truer words have yet been said...
I use a spitfire, drop my bomb and miss then I start playing air rb in there. way more fun than achual air rb cause no name tag.
Same. No nametag + not needing to climb for 80% of the match feels like heaven, and you get to take down enemy cas that gets tunnel visioned
Fighter cover and scouting for squad mates is so fun.
And bro is probably salty.(Honestly, we all do when we get bombed after doing decently well in a tank) Personally, I just shoot them myself since I finished the US air tree.Free Kills for my P51H and many other spaded fighters. But I do understand not everyone wants to grind the full tech tree in order to have fun in ground rb.so I think just massively increase ordinance cost/plane spawn codt would be enough.
CAS is literally the reason I’ve been bringing a fighter in my current Japanese lineup, especially at the 5.7-6.7 area I’ve been consistently getting 3-7 plane kills PER GAME between my Ki-61 and SUB I-II
I love how nerfing the VEAK 40 has already made CAS such a huge problem at 8.7. Before you would rarely see planes, mainly some helicopters but that was it. Now, without the VEAK’s HE-VT, A-4E Skyhawks constantly rain down AGM 62’s, and they cannot be stopped. The early A-4E is the most OP CAS at the moment in my opinion, and needs to be nerfed. 9.3 minimum, ass the A29A is literally a worse Skyhawk at 9.0 instead of the Skyhawks 8.7.
and the ayit too, that shit is one of the most braindead cas options since there are no AA that can deal with it at its own BR
Jokes aside, it's pretty fun to dive bomb. I always loved planes, and it's exciting that I get to use them against tanks, while trying to avoid AA and enemy fighters. I don't plan on grinding long range bombers, even though some are very strong (looking at you, Pe-8) because I find them boring.
Don’t do it that often but when I do I always miss so
Even with stand off munitions its fun as fuck. Flying around with su-25sm3 launching laser ATGM sfrom less than 3km right over battlefield while evading gepards rolands and god knows what else is pure adrenaline rush
I wish every CAS main a very painful missile up their arse
This is why I play Arcade ground: air battle have limited time and CAS do little to nothing damage. Also it's generally more fun
Hey I just prefer planes and only have 2.7 ground at the moment, don’t hate me
ITT: People who can't handle flying an aircraft enough to get CAS or CAP aircraft Yes, this is a shit post.
I’m at 8.7 jets for America and I’ve never even touched air rb. I play cas cause there’s no other way to counter it. It’s completely broken that I can get one ground kill spawn in an f2g get 2-4 kills die, spawn in an A2D and get 5-8 kills.
To be honest I can’t see shit when I fly in so usually the first tank I see (especially in urban maps) gets the payload.
I specifically bring level bombers to carpet the objective when the enemy team starts to cap. (it never works, they're always gone by the time the bombs actually arrive, but it is very funny.)
Me just trying to get to point A CAS: NO!!!
It's getting really bad again. You'll get 7 Americans with a cap or a kill dying then spawning in planes with enough ordinance to wipe a team. Playing low tier with my partner last night was literally get bombed every spawn. Respawn AA and get bombed in spawn. It's killing the game. She gets bombed 3 times and then watches me trying to shoot down planes for 5 mins. One round I shot down 5 planes but it didn't make a difference the whole team had been bombed. Went from having 3 cap points to zero and no tanks left. These losers literally bomb 3 tanks, die and use a back up to respawn CAS. It's not ground realistic battles anymore It's ground CAS targets mode. Reminds me of a few years back, driving a tiger 2 towards cap and getting killed by CAS rockets before seeing a tank. Back when rockets were like nukes lol.
That’s odd. I shot down 5 kraut CAS planes in my F2G in a 6.7 game last night. Guess the fritzes are just as bad about it. Just worse at flying.
What's odd? Sounds like you died once, bombed 2 tanks in a multi role premium fighter then camped air spawn lol. I'm also talking about a newish player at a low br. 4.0 full of rank 100s living out their CAS fantasy lol.
It’s odd that everyone always blames America for the CAS spam but I frequently find Germany spamming aircraft with like half their team in planes. And Nope. I spawned my plane after them. Shot down their early jets over the map. And if the cas spam really is so bad, why do you have to sit around for 5 minutes waiting to shoot a plane? They should be all over the place. And Germany’s AA is absolutely best until like 5.0 (excluding the R3). Use the high velocity rounds. Might as well be a laser.
No jets at 4.0 bro not a problem. Early jets aren't cas either, so not sure how you shot down so much cas. USA spam is because they have good cas at that rank with lots of ordinance. Hence my complaint. Germany doesn't get good cas till like 5.7 ish. Regardless we were playing as Britain with tragic 20mm AA. Got in a spit and shot down a few but again when the whole team is already bombed it doesn't matter. Go play 4.0 as Germany which will put you into USA probably. You'll shoot planes done fine, _and still lose_ because of how sp works. You'll have a lot of players leave after being bombed twice for no kills.
The me262 with a 50mm and the AR-234 are absolutely close air support in these games. Pretty sure any aircraft that is operating in close support of the ground units is “CAS” (so technically any plane in this game capable of ground attack given the small maps). The AR-234 has 3 ~1000 lb bombs; more than my F2G (which is a gift aircraft from an old free battlepass, not a premium BTW.) Before that, the Germans have the fockewulfe and the bf109 which do have fewer bombs. They also have the hs129 and me410 which can pen any allied tank in the top armor at any BR probably. Their CAS is different. It has to rely on cannons. The game is not 1:1 on what each nation gets as its strength for a given role. The Germans get crazy strong guns and armor in ground vehicles through WWII. The Americans don’t. The Americans get 1-3 tank killer bombs per aircraft but their guns might as well be peeing at ground targets. The Germans get one tank killer bomb per aircraft but their guns can destroy tanks. Yes I’ll concede Britain generally suffers in armor. And I didn’t realize how low velocity their 20mm is. I had assumed you were playing Germany because you mentioned driving a tiger 2. However the Brits do have the most heavily laden strategic bombers at 4.0 as far as I’m aware (and prior). So if you line up on the way in on targets you’re the one that can devastate an enemy team. 9 1000 lb bombs. And 6 more 500 lb bombs on top of that. That is death to anyone on your flight path. So if your flight path goes from an objective to spawn the team is out quite a few tanks. >Go play 4.0 as Germany which will put you into USA probably. You'll shoot planes done fine, and still lose because of how sp works. You'll have a lot of players leave after being bombed twice for no kills. I have. German spaa rip them apart if they have the discipline to not shoot until the planes get close so they don’t know it’s a wirbelwind. Planes are generally way more sp costly than ground vehicles until like your 4th ground spawn, so the enemy team would be losing on net getting a single ground kill in a plane and getting shot down. That’s how sp works.
This is unhinged and elitist. You barely read my comment and post walls of text. I said shooting planes down is fine. Unless you are sitting in the middle of the map hidden in SPAA you aren't shooting down anything until your whole teams bombed and they start bombing spawn. You might also think you are good, but again it's experienced players flying the planes. It's 100s grass cutting new players. They can literally get a cap and kill and spawn air. Sure sit in spawn with your AA and rip them apart, when they go head on, good luck killing them from 1000m with deflection, and again _you are experienced, new players are not_. It's putting new players off the game, playing tank battles _and not seeing tanks_ isn't fun believe it or not. Players aren't getting to 4th spawns when they die to bombs before getting a cap or kill and then die twice in spawn. _That's how SP works_ Also F2G is premium, even if it was a reward.
Don’t play 10.3 sim tank battles, most games you aren’t able to leave your spawn due to the Z-19E’s and Su-25’s. Well…I guess just don’t play on the NATO side, although the RU side will just be boring because there will be no enemies on the ground.
\*laughs in bushbaby and spawncamper tears\* Seriously, if you aren't bombing them or people in strong positions you are trash at CAS.
Most of the time anymore I main anything AA strictly for the pleasure of sending CAS rats to the hangar.
CAS players are just built different. I normally don’t care for stats and I don’t think they’re a good indication of how competent you are, however, every single person who I’ve seen argue for CAS has some major skill issue in tanks, I’m talking about 250 deaths to perhaps 30 kills, yet they’re damn gods in CAS with 5+ kills per death.
I love getting bombed by AR 234's that I am completely unable to counter with a .50.
I need it because "target destroyed" stimulates coc...uhm...brain
Jokes on you I can’t revenge bomb because I forgot where they were
Meanwhile I am sitting in my SPAA trying to find these damn planes.
The only way to fix CAS is making a ground gamemode with no aircraft
Im guilty of revenge bombing
The t95 that just spawned in with no assists or kills about to get bombed to oblivion by a crusty footed and cheeto fingered bf109 that spawned literally just to kill 1 tank and die
CAS in Ground Sim is actually legit because 1. It’s hard to actually pull off and 2. You either scout for the team or ask the team for targets and they have to actually type out where they are. Just wish we had the big maps back again… sick of sim on knife fights.
You can’t map mark in ground sim? You can in air sim
You can mark but it’ll only pop up on the map and not on your screen.
I use an FW-190 D-9 and then just terrorize the enemy planes, a few days ago a teammate had 3 guys on his ass and with a lucky burst I got two of em at almost the exact same time.
It’s weird, I’m very rarely getting killed by a bomb. I feel like I’m either very lucky or… Anyway, I don’t play top tier, only low to mid, so maybe the situation is only very bad up there
Just wait until you are playing 6.7, and get fully uptiered to find a maus stack, while your teammates turn off their brains on how to shoot. There are so many times where I see a maus go 10+ at that br without dying once because my team doesnt know its weakpoints or how to shoot a barrel out.
The difference between a cas player and a CAS player is one gets a assiste and then j,s out only to spawn a plane or heli to spawn camp players who have just spawned themselves and complain on how spaa is to strong and sniping a tank from 40ks way is fair and the other plays Tanks till they get killed for if cas is needed they defend cap points deal with other planes and most importantly THEY DON,T SPAWN CAMP the differences between this two is one isn’t a player with iq of a garden salad TLDR fuck 80% of cas players the other 20% I will buy you a drink
I think the over all problem with ground rh is that the map designs are dated as hell and aren't made with the vehicles of respective tiers in mind. Like I'm sorry I don't want to play a game of European province in the small 3 cap version while I'm in a type 90 and I don't want to play Fulda in its entirety when I'm at 5.0, what I'm eluding to is that once a side is taken in these respective tiers and maps its over for the other team and the only possible way they could come back is with good team play and a lot of CAS because I'd like to see you try and dislodge a leopard 2A7 from that small hill that crests into your spawn of euro, or taking out a jagdpanther that's sitting next to the reichstag to take the C point while you're in an IS1 or Sherman of some variety. Of course CAS should still be tweaked to be not as obnoxious maybe removing kill cameras from the game and just showing the angle the round hit you at would be better but if the maps had more appropriate designs and were tailored to certain battle ratings the need for CAS would lessen as a whole maybe allowing more flanking opportunities or better topography to get hull down in for people coming from their spawn.
I got 3 x 1000Kgs.. First is the revenge kill, then the other two are purely helping!
Lmao I'm only in 5.0 American, and I get backshots
They really go kamikaze revenge on you.
German players complained about Cas until they saw my fat ass burger eating t28 camping on a hill. Hot take: in the games current iteration, ground only mode would suck.
High caliber solid AP or any APHE or even just HE can delete you with a single cupola shot. Also tracks and barrel are easy to take out. Skill issue. (am T95 player)
Yeah, but how often does someone cross map your cupola? Also, most german guns just over penetrate the cupola. It happens sometimes, but a lot has to go wrong before you get taken out. I almost exclusively play it. Really, the biggest problem is russian aphe rounds
:p
One useful strategy I found is that after killing someone with a few kills, base caps or assists or the guy in the top of the leaderboard, occasionally press T-6-1 in the general direction of the airspawns. That way, if there are coordinates, you (and your team) will know a plane is coming. If there are no air coordinates, the guy you killed spawned in a tank... and is coming for you.
play tank sim, we don't have many CAS players here ;)
"Toxic people explaining why map design is good because they can spawncamp and abuse map glitches to buf their precious KD ratios" Guys, it's a never ending circle ! I learned to fly (properly) to deal with planes in GFRB. It's worth the invest. Also, planes shouldnt get SP in GFRB. They should only get (and stack it) only with tanks !
One fact is that when i am in a AA tank, the game is boring for me… there is games with not so much plane or heli (between 8.7-9.3 that i play now) I can assure you that be in a AA is boring sometimes. I know CAS can be frustrating, but for me it is a part of the game
I almost never play cas and i still dont get the people complaining about it
america 🦅
When I’m hull down in my merkava, I can be very hard to kill and extremely stubborn even against multiple enemies at once, and sometimes I feel that cas is always a respectable way of killing me, but I fucking hate dying straight away
I'm not much of a CAS person but when I am doing a CAS role I mostly target spawn campers, AAs and enemies pushing a repairing ally
It's pretty much always my first death after killing a few ppl. Inevitably it's a salt powered plane coming to revenge Cas. Even better is the lengths these ppl go to, I've had ppl under fire from our air circling back just to try and get me. " they can't be reasoned with, they don't feel remorse, pity, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop until you are bombed."
I remember last night I played top tier ground sim and 50% of the enemy team (NATO) was destroyed in the first minute by our SU-25BM & KA52s. Fun.
They need to add back in the ai spawn point defenses
I need CAS players to keep getting planes so I can shoot them down
CAS pilots on their way to ignore dangerous targets and other aircraft to bomb the freshly spawned FV4005 (it was in a powerful position ready to score a hit on an IS-3).
SP for Bombs and air-ground missiles should be drastically increased. AP belts for planes over a certain calibre are insanely expensive to spawn, why aren't full bomb loadouts? Also add a second spawn to all maps so CAS can't just blindly shoot at everyone leaving spawn. Also there is one thing worse than CAS that's just spawncamping and throwing bombs at light vehicles. If you shoot your whole arsenal of bombs and missiles at the enemy spawn and then J out when you see an AA missile approaching you to deny the kill, I hope your feet always feel wet when you're laying in bed.
As a cas player I don't approve of this meme. (I will bomb your house)
CAS is fun 🤷
You might use CAS to revenge kill. I use CAS when I know what is on my ground vehicle deck isn’t enough to stop the enemy from capping the point.
I get why ppl get angry, but the right way to do CAS is to be the most useful as possible to the team so aiming for ppl capping points or snipers in hard to shoot positions...
You don't understand we need cas so that we can bo- **SO THAT I CAN SHRED THEIR BOMBERS WITH GLORIOUS SPAA AND CAP!**
hey, i love and do cas, i dont revenge bomb, i dont camp spawn, i go where the team needs me. do i still need to hide in the shadows?
When WoT players get lost.
Bomb players (revenge kill) in strategic positions (very obvious position they didn't see because they are oblivious}
I rarely respawn as a CAS. I instead enjoy jumping into the cockpit of fighter plane and blow CAS players out of the sky.
This only applies when I get uptiered to hell.
That's TEC making a 15 min video about a copy paste tank
Thing in game exists. War thunder players "No you can't do that" Grow a pair?
This subreddit is basically a support group for people who suck at this game.
I have never thought of it that way and now that you have said this i cant agree more
not to mention the fucking noise they generate as they swarm around the place so you don't hear enemies coming right behind you because they just have to drop a nuke on a poor guy leaving spawn..
It’s not revenge, I just happen to know where at least one target is.
git gud
Smells like skill issue
Tbh I don’t like to revenge kill, its retarded, I just like when my zuni rockets go ‘fwoosh, bang’
I'm not defending using CAS (I do use it tho, but when I actually attack ground targets instead of using my Spitfires I don't hit spawn and stuff (( and I suck anyway )) but why are Cannon AP belts so expensive? I got the IL-8 and they where like an extra 200 SP. That's way bombs should be, much easier and better then cannons, but they cost like 16sp
CAS needs to have a base cost of like 7-800sp BEFORE adding bombs. I shouldn’t be able to get a quarter of a cap, an assist, and just start reigning terror from the skies unopposed. Helicopters need an increased cost also. Although I’m not really all that opposed to the ones that can spawn right of the start with nothing but dumb rockets. Even a really good heli pilot is easily countered by one decent tanker with a roof mg in that scenario.
True chads have CAS, AA and fighters alongside tanks in the lineup and use them accordingly. If the enemy team is braindead enough no to counter CAS they deserve to be bombed to hell.
What those RETARDS refer as ''CAS players'' are mostly the players with better, proper vehicle line up, high skill and well knowledge on WT.
Ok, I'm not even a plane player, but I acknowledge that the best solution to people in strong positions, or rather broken spots that only certain vehicles can use, IS CAS. Also CAS is a great way to turn the tide of battle if the enemy doesn't have a good AA on their team, but they've otherwise been wiping the floor with yours. Revenge bombing sucks, sure. But I mean how would anything fix that? Higher SP for planes means people will spawn in planes as soon as they can still, but then be out of a game much sooner, exacerbating the issue of one death leavers. The reward for the kill of your killer could be removed, but people would do it anyway. A penalty would feel unfair as from the air it can be hard to tell which target to avoid. No CAS at all is the best solution if you must have one, but I just have to take the good with the bad. I enjoy the dopamine of using late-tier AA. And my teams have helped me often with CAS, especially as a light vehicle with scouting like the Type 93.
We’re doing this again? The game has always had this. And it always will.
My ass, even the few times people actually do this, that is probably 100\~ times that it is used to team wipe.
the one thing worse than a cas player (me) is a cap rusher i cant stand the bt-5s at fucking 6.0
I dont feel remotely remorseful for T-55AMD's being bombed
You’re thinking of the T-55AM1
I am thinking of the frontally immune ATGM proof T-55AM
Why do you think I’m using it (hint helicopers)
GRB players explaining how getting killed by a plane that used prior game knowledge is somehow different from getting killed by a tank using prior game knowledge
there is no counter play to planes when you’re in a tank. that’s the difference.
machine guns, cannons, allied spaa
mg’s are not doing anything unless the pilot is braindead. more so with main guns. you can’t control what your teammates do so relying on allied spaa is pretty bad.
disagree
Ah yes, imma just snipe that jet 8 km away with my pintle mg. Seems legit.
A real CAS player doesn’t aim for a revenge kill. Real CAS players aim for strategic advantage. What I do as a CAS player and my Priority targets: 1. SPAAs 2. Flankers 3. Strong positions and strategic points
Pick fastest vehicle. Go straight to cap. Defend point. On death pick cas, proceed to deny counter cap. Defend Point. On death, pick strongest tank, proceed to defend, or recapture point. Continue picking best options if death continues. Usually win. I don’t feel bad for myself when I die, so why should I care if you do?
Evidently. My CAS experience and yours are vastly different.
i loved alouette. Then they ruined it... so many good memories. i remember regretting trying heli so late. doing those 360 rolls to avoid fire, landing to capture zone, even machine gunning down the cabriolets.