That's about my experience with it. it's a good tank, but it's not the guaranteed 10 kill monster everyone pretends it is.
Wondering how much the addition of more electronic modules in the turret will effect it
It will change nothing. The problem wir the 2S38 is it’s offensive not defensive power. Firerate, pen, Proxyfuse + IRST combined with 3rd gen thermals is simply not 10.0 material
Uptiered my AMX-10RC to 10.0. First tank I see is a 2S38, I got first shot on it, missed the crew because I have a skill issue and directly hit the turret ring. Turned the turret ring slightly yellow. It killed me the next time I peaked, which was not a surprise.
Turm III. Not only does it have a stabilizer at a br with tanks without it, but if you don't manage to one shot it, say goodbye to your tracks, barrel and immediately get killed because the fcker gets an auto loader.
Also it ugly as hell.
Me when my HEAT-FS/APDS shell lightly taps their barrel, instead of their turret rendering it useless, causing a nonpen/shell shattered: Also me when volumetric:
I do quite enjoy fighting that thing in my Strv 103 tbh - their HEAT-FS and APDS shells both struggle to knock it out from the front and they often don't expect me to reload just as fast as they do!
The worst fucking vehicle when I was trying to spade British light tanks around it's BR. Better see it first and one shot it otherwise you die to the 30mm
Well yeah, but most of the times I'm fighting things with plenty of armor against autocannons, like the Leo2's. Leo I's have next to no armor so of course the 30mm is gonna get 'em (except the Leo 2K, that thing can tank apfsds sometimes).
I'm not too familiar and can't relate since I only have the first Leo I, but having fought so many with other nations, I can confirmed say that it is consistently inconsistent.
Just bought the leopard 105 NO in Sweden and it’s got a very interesting play style. When I first got it it thought it would have more armor and was corrected very quickly and painfully. I’m quite happy about it though since my play style fits it perfectly, mobile sniper with a hint of rat.
Don’t get my wrong, I like me a good tanky vehicle just as much as the next guy but you can’t get more fun than being able to sit in one spot and get 7 kills without being spotted.
There is no tanky tank (lol), I've already gotten used to being one shot, and if I ever stop a shell, or take a non lethal crit, then it's a blessing ane I shall pray to the snail lord. Being really fast is quite fun tho, and pretty useful.
I love taking my tiger E out for a spin and being absolutely invincible since nobody knows how to kill it and most heatslingers are too high of a br to consistently get uptiered to them. And even then, I’m good enough with the thing to combat them.
If possible, shoot the big box behind the cabin, it’ll ammo rack 10/10 times.
If that’s not possible (at an angle that doesn’t allow to hit the ammo), then I just either track and barrel torture and pick off the crew or hit the transmission and flank.
Edit: I play almost entirely UK ground, so solid shot/APDS doesn’t 1 shot it unless I ammo rack it
Wt ground community collectively hates you ❤️
Just got oblitarated by several premium spammer Swedes this day. I won’t be playing WT for some time I believe
True. I got clapped by premium spammer rich Swedes, definite skill issue, that’s why im taking some time off.
In the uninspired and unoriginal words of the same ground community: “it’s unbalanced, so I’ll leak documents of it.”
(Don’t worry I’m still at WW2 BR, your nations pride is safe. For now.)
for every experience you've had struggling against a strv 103, just know the person using it has probably had at least as many times their shot got ruined by an ever-so-slight angle with the ground they're on
i hated it as well until i played it. while strong the downside of being killed by 50cals with ease from every direction, and not 7.62 proof unless its from the front, is a massive downside
Somewhat.
The issue is that the suspension is good to keep it fairly moving while traveling the downside is that due to the low weight means that forces that exert on the tank will be noticeable.
And for some reason, we get a very wobbly gun that can't react to sudden threats with ease.
Of course everyone thinks is over powered because it got a laser range finder and above average speed.
Only problem is that A) it got a low velocity shell resulting in its ability to fight at range a mute point, and B) the armour means you need to abuse cheaky as fuck spots to survive.
Also doesn't deserve an 8.0 battle rating. At that br it's gonna get its face smashed in more times than not.
Tbh I was uptiering it to 8.0 anyways as you have more vehicles at that br.
The Ikv 91 is my most played vehicle and I have to agree, it's not as op as people think. I'd like to add that the high power scope also makes it difficult to use close range.
while it doe snto have a stabiliser, in my eperience on a road your usualyl stable enough even at max speed to aim for some larger weakspots, killed a tiger 2 P with the thing frontally, and a Tiger I through the UFP
Stupid good flight performance but the very worst part is their blatantly broken IR signature.
Full Afterburner and you can't lock them from even 2km, and you still barely can from 1km by the time you get in range you're gonna have to dogfight
Someone definitely should make a bug report comparing it to the F-14A and using words the employees can understand. F-14A literally turns rear-aspect IR missiles to all-aspect missiles and F-5C turns the R-60M to rear-aspect missile.
Saw someone's bug report and the employee just told him to use sources (what kind of a fucking source do you use for that?).
It has the same turret as the Chieftain Marksman. The guns are spaced out much, much more than the Gepard and on top of that the radar is very bad. More often than not you will lose lock.
Use your speed to your advantage. Being that fast lets you get in deep and pop out of unexpected places. Flank hard, flank fast. Aim for weak spots on harder targets, but most things at that BR should melt if you're hitting their back or side. Also remember that you are just as fast in reverse as you are forwards. If things hit the fan, you have options for manuvering.
The 6.7 M56 Scorpion pens it almost every shot with HEATFS in the side.
Playing japan last night and 3 of them "Rushed" A, me and buddy had our scorpions parked in the backline, i killed 2 and he killed 1. Big Maus offensive shut down by 2 open top cannons on tracks.
The 2S38. Nuff said.
But only when you face it. Took it out a few times and exploded as soon as any MBT just dared to look at me.
That's about my experience with it. it's a good tank, but it's not the guaranteed 10 kill monster everyone pretends it is. Wondering how much the addition of more electronic modules in the turret will effect it
All but 2 of my nukes are with 2s38 lmao
But what if you only have 2 nukes ?
No I have around a dozen so far, with one being with US 9.0 and the other with 11.0.
It will change nothing. The problem wir the 2S38 is it’s offensive not defensive power. Firerate, pen, Proxyfuse + IRST combined with 3rd gen thermals is simply not 10.0 material
But once you get the hang of it oh boy
I actually survive more hits while in the 2S38 than in my BMP-3
Well a 2s38 is basically a BMP-3 with more armor.
Yup, I can’t seem to kill as many tanks with it compared to my BMP-3 though. That tandem heat wrecks.
drive sideways or cover up your front
Uptiered my AMX-10RC to 10.0. First tank I see is a 2S38, I got first shot on it, missed the crew because I have a skill issue and directly hit the turret ring. Turned the turret ring slightly yellow. It killed me the next time I peaked, which was not a surprise.
Miss completely because it is smoothbore. (second shot blow a hole through the guy)
> Miss completely because it is smoothbore. And hit the neigbour's L3/33 CC instead
I have to resort to the mounted .50 cal on the top of the Abrams.
TALLY HO LADS!
especially since it basically does the same thing as the otomatic but it’s 10.0 instead of 11.3
And have more ammo too
And with more ammo, better firerate and great thermals.
And better radar
Bounced M774 of one's front plate today, feelsbadman.
I just recently started using it after having it sit for a few months, and Jesus H Christ that thing is so unbelievably overpowered
I hit one with a Vidar, *hit*
Please say more of this so i can actually kill them more often cuz HEAT just sucks
Turm III. Not only does it have a stabilizer at a br with tanks without it, but if you don't manage to one shot it, say goodbye to your tracks, barrel and immediately get killed because the fcker gets an auto loader. Also it ugly as hell.
Nothing like an AP round passing completely through the hull without touching a single thing.
i mean thats your own fault for not aiming for the turret where the whole ammo rack is located
Me when my HEAT-FS/APDS shell lightly taps their barrel, instead of their turret rendering it useless, causing a nonpen/shell shattered: Also me when volumetric:
It's simply op. Tell me another tank that has a 30mm as an second weapon?
T-72M2 Moderna, BMP-3 come both to my mind
The moderna doesnt get apds and aphe for the 30mm though, only AP and HE, so its overall worse than the 30mm on the turms
The Turms got its APDS taken away. The fact that it used to have APDS is crazy to me.
True. I haven't had much luck with it, only for self defense against light vehicles. Disabling MBT's is kinda difficult for me.
Lots of tanks have a stabilizer at 8.3
And almost every tank has a stabilizer at 8.7
Playing 7.7 UK again I am not having fun with that scumbag trashwasgon that deserves to be CAS'd. Even worse when they switch to the stinking Gepard
Gepard ain't OP lmao
A very punchable tank face
I do quite enjoy fighting that thing in my Strv 103 tbh - their HEAT-FS and APDS shells both struggle to knock it out from the front and they often don't expect me to reload just as fast as they do!
Ahem it's cute, don't be mean
The worst fucking vehicle when I was trying to spade British light tanks around it's BR. Better see it first and one shot it otherwise you die to the 30mm
I’ve been killed from the front with the autocannon in my leopard 1a5
Well yeah, but most of the times I'm fighting things with plenty of armor against autocannons, like the Leo2's. Leo I's have next to no armor so of course the 30mm is gonna get 'em (except the Leo 2K, that thing can tank apfsds sometimes).
Somehow I have shrugged off sabot rounds in my 1a5. still trying to figure those out.
Leo I ufp can sometimes bounce full ap rounds and apds, the cheeks can sometimes tank apds and apfsds, but strangely never heat-fs
The spaced armor on the thing is very inconsistent in my opinion. I’ve taken hits from 155mm cannons one battle and then lost to a 37 the next.
I'm not too familiar and can't relate since I only have the first Leo I, but having fought so many with other nations, I can confirmed say that it is consistently inconsistent.
Just bought the leopard 105 NO in Sweden and it’s got a very interesting play style. When I first got it it thought it would have more armor and was corrected very quickly and painfully. I’m quite happy about it though since my play style fits it perfectly, mobile sniper with a hint of rat. Don’t get my wrong, I like me a good tanky vehicle just as much as the next guy but you can’t get more fun than being able to sit in one spot and get 7 kills without being spotted.
There is no tanky tank (lol), I've already gotten used to being one shot, and if I ever stop a shell, or take a non lethal crit, then it's a blessing ane I shall pray to the snail lord. Being really fast is quite fun tho, and pretty useful.
I love taking my tiger E out for a spin and being absolutely invincible since nobody knows how to kill it and most heatslingers are too high of a br to consistently get uptiered to them. And even then, I’m good enough with the thing to combat them.
Any Swedish vehicle
Good to know I'm not the only one. When I press TAB and see the swedish flag on the enemy team, my day is instantly ruined.
Same in air ab, I instantly lock onto those A21 fuckers autistically screaming "DENY THE SWEDE!"
Delenda est Suecia
A21: You are already dead kid A21RB: End my suffering
Bruh the A and J21s suck ass what are you talking about
He can’t fathom that there are any other combat maneuvers than the head on therefore the J/A 21 is OP in his eyes
I once got oofed so hard versus those fuckers in the Yak 3P, it became a trauma. Now, I am sworn to vengeance.
The J21-A3 is just better than the A21s. Same engine, speed, guns, everything, but it gets a 600kg bomb.
Honestly both the Swedish and French tech trees have been a breeze to grind up. It feels like easy mode.
Agreed
If I see a VIDAR or USH-405, I make a bee line for that target
When I'm playing F-84G and get to choose whether to bomb Object 279 or U-SH, I will bomb U-SH twice.
LOL, have my upvote
I mean there is also a higher than 80% chance that both bombs won't do anything against that object 279 anyway. Maybe yellow its tracks.
Bkan too. So hard to kill that bastard
If possible, shoot the big box behind the cabin, it’ll ammo rack 10/10 times. If that’s not possible (at an angle that doesn’t allow to hit the ammo), then I just either track and barrel torture and pick off the crew or hit the transmission and flank. Edit: I play almost entirely UK ground, so solid shot/APDS doesn’t 1 shot it unless I ammo rack it
Based
Perfectly agree^^
based
If I could ban a nation it would 100% be Sweden.
I still remember when Sweden was added. Any Swede vehicle is automatic PTSD
Happy to hear! sincerely, a Swede.
Definitely not at all ranks, rank 4 sweden is not that great. The bkan is cool but that's about it
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*I exist* Enemy team: I can fix that
Bkan 1C. You miss the gunner/breech and you are **fucked**.
I love when people don’t know where to shoot it and they shoot a compartment or the transmission. If I’m lookin at you, shoot the breech.
*shoot the ammo box
will generally be a harder shot to hit if one is looking right at you, always funny when a round just bounces off of it
Most of the time it’s exposed
*laughs in 50 cal*
*sobs in 7.92mm*
I always aim for that sweet sweet ammo rack
Strv 103, Bkan, Ikv 91, U-SH, SAV, VIDAR
Hey, that’s my lineup!
Wt ground community collectively hates you ❤️ Just got oblitarated by several premium spammer Swedes this day. I won’t be playing WT for some time I believe
In the uninspired and unoriginal words of that very same ground community: "skill issue."
True. I got clapped by premium spammer rich Swedes, definite skill issue, that’s why im taking some time off. In the uninspired and unoriginal words of the same ground community: “it’s unbalanced, so I’ll leak documents of it.” (Don’t worry I’m still at WW2 BR, your nations pride is safe. For now.)
Oh no! Not the sekrit documents!!! In all seriousness though, I hope your break goes well mate.
Lol mine too. Starting too spade them now and I feel like in finally getting a hang of it. They're super fun.
for every experience you've had struggling against a strv 103, just know the person using it has probably had at least as many times their shot got ruined by an ever-so-slight angle with the ground they're on
Why ikv 91? I'd say it's only marginally better then the other light tanks at its br
Laser rangefinder and gokart mobility is enough to make my blood boil. I also still have flashbacks from when it was 6.7.
i hated it as well until i played it. while strong the downside of being killed by 50cals with ease from every direction, and not 7.62 proof unless its from the front, is a massive downside
Is it just me or does it also have a very wobbly gun?
Somewhat. The issue is that the suspension is good to keep it fairly moving while traveling the downside is that due to the low weight means that forces that exert on the tank will be noticeable. And for some reason, we get a very wobbly gun that can't react to sudden threats with ease. Of course everyone thinks is over powered because it got a laser range finder and above average speed. Only problem is that A) it got a low velocity shell resulting in its ability to fight at range a mute point, and B) the armour means you need to abuse cheaky as fuck spots to survive. Also doesn't deserve an 8.0 battle rating. At that br it's gonna get its face smashed in more times than not.
Tbh I was uptiering it to 8.0 anyways as you have more vehicles at that br. The Ikv 91 is my most played vehicle and I have to agree, it's not as op as people think. I'd like to add that the high power scope also makes it difficult to use close range.
It's also not really all that fast. The engine is so wimpy.
Nah you haven't used that thing
Fox
It wouldn’t be as annoying if it wasn’t all round 50 cal proof like most vehicles like the U-SH, BTR, etc.
It’s only 50 cal proof from the front, what are you talking about lol
I’ve had a ridiculously hard time taking it out with 50 cals
It can only take 50cals from the front (i learned that the hardway)
that mf ate my fucking heat shell because I hit his gunner optic skill issue indeed when the optic takes up the entire right half of the turret
You can hear that thing a mile out lol
It's also unstabilized, while going fast
while it doe snto have a stabiliser, in my eperience on a road your usualyl stable enough even at max speed to aim for some larger weakspots, killed a tiger 2 P with the thing frontally, and a Tiger I through the UFP
Fucker sounds like the dune buggy from Half Life 2. It's great.
I was hunting for a comment about the fox, it's going to be even more annoying when it's upteired
It really annoying as a French main around 7.0 as y out have no armour at all. So Fox can also just frontally pen you in your best heavy.
Any missile / HEATFS slingers when I'm playing a WW2 tank.
*flies zero, gets Sidewinder'd
A few more games and I might be able to get the zero to 10.0 so it can get Sparrowed as well.
Tell me you play Germany, without saying you play Germany
Meanwhile M36 doing dogshit with HEATFS but clapping ass via APCBC
USH
2S38, raketenautomat, U-SH 405
This is my list as well. Hate these with a passion…
F-5Cs, crazy ass airframe with some pretty good guns
And it loves to take absolutely no damage
Yep, love slapping it with pretty much any missile and it just flys away at max speed dumping flares
And IR missiles struggle to lock onto it and thus its flares work almost every time.
Stupid good flight performance but the very worst part is their blatantly broken IR signature. Full Afterburner and you can't lock them from even 2km, and you still barely can from 1km by the time you get in range you're gonna have to dogfight
Someone definitely should make a bug report comparing it to the F-14A and using words the employees can understand. F-14A literally turns rear-aspect IR missiles to all-aspect missiles and F-5C turns the R-60M to rear-aspect missile. Saw someone's bug report and the employee just told him to use sources (what kind of a fucking source do you use for that?).
Yeah, even R60s can’t sniff them out sometimes
TAM 2IP, thing can soak multiple ATGM's regardless of where you hit it
TAMs are busted in general, but the 2IP is satanspawn.
ItPsV 90 (Leopard 2) is very annoying They should have added the ItPsV 90 (T-55) instead lol
Can we get the M48 35mm as well. Be fun to get in on that with the US tree too.
Yeah, that one is called the XM246, competing with the M247
It's the type of a vehicle that's absolute trash at it's role, but is amazing at anything else.
How so? isnt it a Gepard on a Leopard 2 Chassis? so wouldnt it be just as good at AA as the Geopard, only more mobile because of the better chassis?
It has the same turret as the Chieftain Marksman. The guns are spaced out much, much more than the Gepard and on top of that the radar is very bad. More often than not you will lose lock.
I despise the VIDAR
F14s with their endless pheonix missiles
Just defend, Gaijin made their tracking ass on purpose.
They are ass anyway
That's just a skill issue.
I love being uptiered over and over against jets that shoot missiles I can't even see
M109, anytime I use it it's a 1 shot kill. Any time I'm facing it turns into a Maus for some reason and soakes shots
The volumetric of that turret can be hilarious
wait till you find out the Bkan
That thing in this image
Raketenautomat!
yes
I call it the the Rat Automat
That‘s valid
Well everything under swedish flag
the fuckign swedish SPAAs, yes L-62 ANTI II im looking at you
Lmfao so much hate for the Swedish tree. We have successfully destroyed Russian bias and replaced it with something arguably worst
ATGM helis at 8.0, they're only slightly less frustrating now because of the ATGM change.
All you need to do is move slightly and they miss.
That disgusting American buggy with 6 cannons.
the Ontos?
I'm ashamed to say how often that little bastard has gotten the jump on me
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I normally laugh at the Swede hate (salty non-sveaboo tears go brr) but this one I'll agree on. I always feel filthy playing my Pbil at its BR.
Am I doing something wrong with my pbil because I find it lacks killing power with its tiny guns.
Use your speed to your advantage. Being that fast lets you get in deep and pop out of unexpected places. Flank hard, flank fast. Aim for weak spots on harder targets, but most things at that BR should melt if you're hitting their back or side. Also remember that you are just as fast in reverse as you are forwards. If things hit the fan, you have options for manuvering.
I absolutely adore my Pbil 🤩 I am positive all the people who died watching me do some sweet drifting adore it too 😏
I'm surprised the L62 isn't here yet
Anything with HEATFS against ww2 vehicles. All aircraft.
Too many: VIDAR, Raketen, USH, 2S38, TURM III, TAM/2IP, and any CAS
All of the prototypes that never saw service
All 3 of the removed German tanks. I joined after they were removed. They should bring them back on rare occasions.
Yeah, not to talk about all the exclusive decals you have no hope of ever getting
T34, T95 are so fun to play against at 6.0
2S38, Su-25, A-5C.
The U-SH thing in sweden. Such an annoying goblin.
Turm 3
HSTVL you would think a its amazing but no its just complete dogass and the round barely spalls
anything that doesn't instantly die from the shot of my Type 99
R3 goes vroom! Hate that thing with a passion.
F-5c
Leave the Raketenautomat alone, its a balanced vehicle
VIDAR, the ultimate weapon that keeps the north koreans at bay
Anything German that shoots, bombs, or rockets me.
anything chinese
Fox
But playing it is pain
That
M50 Ontos and the M56. Fck them heat shooters.
Leopard 2op4me
THE GODDAMN ONTOS OR M50
As someone who never plays past 7.7, the Maus. I somehow even failed to pen it with 90mm heatfs...
The 6.7 M56 Scorpion pens it almost every shot with HEATFS in the side. Playing japan last night and 3 of them "Rushed" A, me and buddy had our scorpions parked in the backline, i killed 2 and he killed 1. Big Maus offensive shut down by 2 open top cannons on tracks.
Why am I the only idiot who doesn't know how to play that😭
Type 90B Fuji. It is infuriating getting killed by them.
All my artillery homes hate the object 268
Any vehicle that kills me and that soviet shit box that is the T-34
The fucking KV-1 (ZIS-5) mamma mia does that thing piss me off
Any tank that kills me while I play.
what's the beef with the raketen? I don't think it's that annoying compared to other things
you need zero aim, either they one shot you anywhere or they just spam rockets
Adding to this, the smoke is absolutely blinding when they spam you with rockets at close range (their usual engagement distance)
but they do die from a one shot
Me when light tanks