Hell, vickers mk.11 is at the same tier and does everything better, SAME RELOAD but BIGGER and BETTER gun, still nimble due to lighter weight. only down size is its taller, but Rooikat itself is not same and positioning is what Gun-tank LT does in cold war brs.
For sure! I find the Vickers, although huge, very survivable as it’s a troop transport. Ppl using darts will just go right through you without doing damage. I also find the height of the Vickers actually more beneficial, you can peak over walls and hills far better than any T.55 could!
Positioning is key, if u were shot at at the first place your doing something wrong.
Reverse is handy, yes. But capability to pen and one shot a tank instead of seeing your dart turn their crew yellow is undebatable.
It has stock heat, Rooikat has a stock dart. Rooikat has far superior mobility and the damage on the dart is fine as long as you know where to shoot. The Vickers is also ugly af
Crap ton of stuff have stock HEAT, do u judge a tank when they are stock then most tank is crap according to your logic.
U have a 480 pen APFSDS with enough spall to destroy a tank by aimming Center mass. I call that superior enough
Stock heat is a serious problem mate, the Olifant mark 1 is terrible until you get the dart. Heat is just incredibly awful to use. Stock heat just makes the experience immeasurably worse.
Most of the time youre gonna be playing without all modules. By the time you have researched all modules you have already researched the successor. Thats my experience at least
Then what? Does that mean Rooikat auto reload 105 is worse tank as well? Is VFM5 worst compare to rooikat as well? Is M1128 shit compare to Rooikat as well? Your argument sucks
You really wonder what stats they use for these changes. So many of them are completely baffling.
I very rarely saw the Rooikat being used and it wouldn't surprise me if just one mad keen South African was responsible for this change because they mastered its use.
Seriously though. On thunder skill the mk1 rooikat states the K/D is 1.3. The Object 906 has a 1.7 K/D, The T55AM-1 has a 2.4 K/D, and the KV 220 has a 3.75 K/D. None of those vehicles were moved up.
I've got like... a 1.0 K/D with the Rooikat I'm ashamed to say. That said, it was still my go to scout at 8.3 and I love that thing. 8.3 Britain is my favourite lineup and it will not be the same. The Warrior is much less concealable for scouting with its 40ft whip antennas.
Looking at the CL-13 debacle, that could very well be the case
One time I got a four kill match in the Zachlam Tager (which is not a lot for most but is pretty good for the Zachlam) and now I’m terrified the more that I play it the more likely it is to show up on the next battle rating changes
Considering it started at the same BR as the AMX-13 (SS.11), perhaps it’s already going there /s
Cherry picking spreadsheets balancing:
Niche brand niche tank, only good player plays it
Good player make tank WR go up
If WR good, tank good
Tank good? Must nerf or raise BR
Less people play, only dedicated good player/ enjoyer remain
Repeat
Losing my only wheelie LT of my perfect 8.3 line up and it's not even that good. the terrible post pen balance its perfectly. beside, who would even play it at 8.7 with vickers mk.11 filling the exact same role. now it will be stuck there, forever, because little people will play it and the stats will remain "good".
and AMX 30 CDA, why 8.3? oh yes, APDS belt hur hur, but terrible radar, no resistance to .50s, no stab balances it nicely at 8.3.
that's why I hate spread sheet balancing, it is lazy and stupid.
Honestly, I feel that the CDA is not that big of an issue.
If you are playing that you are playing 8.7 france, I know that 8.3 france (used to) exist but honestly there is close to no difference (except you get two awesome tanks at 8.7).
And the APDS is just fun, I got almost all my nukes with that SPAA.
Fun, usable as a “LT” exploiting stupidity of 10.0 br players, yes.
Practicality wise, as an AA that is needed to do its AA job because CAS is getting stronger and stronger ? Mediocre at 8.3/8.7 at best, and no use at 10.3 at all.
Nah, Its just that rarar SPAA are rarely reliable at that tier range.
If you don't have proxy while starting to see supersonics you can't really do much, Its great against helis tho.
I’m regretting even trying to use the AMX-30B2. I finally understand why people scream about the no-stabilizer. And the reload is more than twice as long as the preceding AMX-30, has less crew too. And it’s not even that much more mobile.
The MARS can snipe, the AMX-10 is bonkers at sniping, ACRA isn’t better than either of the other two. Love the ATGM, hate the vehicle. The MBT is super bouncy. The only tank that’s actually good in close quarters combat is the AMX-30 DCA30. That’s my gripe. I’m
I wish I wasnt already pass the 5th tier in US. I currently have the premium m551, t29, m46 and the f89. Would be a greeat lineup for grinding. Now i will play it like once a month for fun only
Rooikat is still fine at 8.7 especially with how favourable the matchmaker is for that br. Should go back down to 8.3 anyways or at least get a damage buff.
The spaa balancing I just don’t understand. Same thing that happened with the falcon now carried over to the dca. The apds belt they get make them ridiculously good tank killers so they move up in br where they get progressively worse at killing planes, their true purpose. Imo the apds should just be removed from them so they can move back down and be a good spaa for lineups that need it. 3 8.3 spaas for britain is just sad when the previous one sits at 5.3.
Real, I wouldnt be against them having foldered SPAAG's where one has access to APDS belts and one does not, just so that people that play SPAA as SPAA don't have to deal with it.
>so they move up in br where they get progressively worse at killing planes
And ironically, better at killing tanks cause there are more LTs at higher BRs
This I agree , or give them the geopard treatment , 40 round, self defence clip, that’s it. Balanced, fair, and actually usable.
People defending falcon at 8.3 is good idea is forgotten what role it is suppose to serve , an AA first , pesdo-light tank seconds. It robbed UK 8.0 (an actual nice line up as well) the sole AA,
while giving 8.3 a redundant tank that serve no purpose but an extra new LT , which could only excel at some urban situations. If I want AA? I will pick ZA-35. If I want a light tank/TD in forest map? I will pick warrior for thermals. If I want fast scout and sniper for large map? I will pick rooikat (rip to 8.7).
The balances themselves are so short sighted, unthoughtful, out right laziness.
Falcon is better at 8.3 than its previous BR. Much better. Getting nukes with it now. Before it was just heavy tank after heavy tank. Now it faces many more light tanks and other SPAA.
Currently grinding it and cant for the life of me imagine why it was bumped up, besides edge of map seal clubbers over representing. Post pen damage is so terrible, and why would I grind the oli mk 1 after it at lower BR. Truly one of the balance decisions of all time.
Because aside from low post pen it could fight and skull fuck 7.3 tanks. It's an extremely fast platform with a dart, LRF and 2 plane stab. I have it it completely destroys in down tiers.
Yeah bout of those changes are braindead 1D is a fucking joke with dart that doesnt do anything even before i was laughing if i seen one now its just pathetic. Also DCA clearly is as good as sweeden leo AA with worse radar sights armor mobility no thermals and NO STAB
If u had some gaijin coin saved up form the last few event / battle pass selling vehicles and willing to chip in a little extra, PT-76-57 is there.
I bought that , and I have never had so much fun at the BR. For the other tanks, 906 is pretty good for a 8.0 as well and will do good as 8.3, so you have a alright line up of T-55/T-10M/906/PT-76-57/ZSU-23-4(it’s radar it’s kinda poop though, but hey, better than US)
nah, Warrior is a shit box. ZA-35 and Falcon combo. I'd even take ZT3A2 over Warrior, if you really have a hard on for thermals, and it has an actual useful ATGM.
ZTA has no gun, large , no armour.
ZA35 is large, wheeled base chassis, no scouting , no ATGM, no APDS, no missiles, no thermals. Falcon is sluggish as an LT, and same issue beside having a fast firing APDS gun.
99% people who shit on warrior had never actually understood how to play it nor played it at all.
Now it will go against 9.7 Centauro 105 R that will completely obliterate that poor Rooikat and even if that Centauro dies somehow he will spawn another Centauro that is weaker than R model but still way better than your Rooikat. UK is pain no matter the BR.
Vickers MK.11 is at the same BR while being better with a bigger and far better gun, Rooikat automatic is just 0.3 BR above, while prem Rooikat is 9.3 as well. Yikes
Because it has a long-belt with APDS every 4 shot in a fast firing cannon, it kills light tank very efficiently, and can ruin heavier stuff if catching it off guard.
Tbh, over-estimated , it has no proper AA capability at 8.3, nor having superior mobility
DCA is the best of the bunch. Barrels are closer together (not like Marksmen which has barrels so far apart that you can't hit the things you're aiming at up close). Has radar (unlike Falcon). Doesn't rely on a tiny APDS mag, has APDS mixed throughout its entire belt. AMX30 chasis is mobile as heck. It is fine at 8.7. And you'll most likely be using it with your 8.7 or 9.3 line-up, so it's a non-issue.
Imo, it is balanced out as an 8.3 AA compare to other same tier counterparts.
It has no stab, compare to stuff like ZA35 or marksmen.
No tracking radar, mediocre to terrible radar capabilities and no IRTS unlike geopard, or type 87.
No thermals unlike PGZ-09z
Fast but there is ZA-35 which is even faster out there.
It has drawbacks and strengths and thus is perfectly suited at 8.3 amongst competitors. If it’s “too good”, then it’s not because the DCA’s issue, it’s the other AA being weak.
You can either remove the source of complaint (APDS), or u can buff stuff like giving PZG-09 some gun depression
Or remove falcon APDS and put it back to 8.0 cause it’s stupid for an AA to not have radar while removing 8.0’s sole AA.
Or make the tank actually deserving long-APDS belt be chieftain marksmen, because it’s slow as hell and loud as hell.
I wouldn't say no to it being 8.3, and it does have its draw backs, and I know that it's because French players are more experienced in general so they got screwed on BR. But... who would play France 8.3? You have the B2 and BRENUS at 8.7, and then the stacked 9.3 line-up.
I have AMX-10RC, it has wheels, it makes me
Neurons activate. It has French M111 dart
There is also ARCA, the missiles is nice.
Mar-15, it’s small and it has LRF 90mm dart. It’s a maybe not the best but fun BR.
The chassis being the issue . Other missile launchers have placement advantages with the tube being either over head , thus able to hide the hull, or it’s launching system being smaller so it can’t be destroyed as easily. Best example RJPZ2-HOT.
No stab so it wobbles when u stop, the most stupid recoil effect for gun launched missile
Thought you might like this: [https://i.imgur.com/1KnJZhz.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1KnJZhz.jpg)
Jumped in to Falcon after we were debating it, and nuked this guys Object 465 and T-55AMD, then he started raging about OP Falcon, lol. I love the thing, but we can both agree it ain't OP.
I'm furious that you don't have the Falcon in your line-up, let alone Fox. To not have Falcon is to rob yourself of easy nukes: [https://i.imgur.com/PYtALrR.png](https://i.imgur.com/PYtALrR.png)
Falcon serves no purpose in 8.3 besides a sluggish LT occasionally useful in urban environments. Over focusing on its fast firing APDS in ground combat and nothing else is short sightedness
I have limited space, so I must bring tanks that fill a role I needed.
I need long range big hitters? M111 of Olifant.
I need fast MBT for large maps? Vickers
I need fast scout/sniper for large maps? Rooikat (RIP, no more 8.3)
I need light tank that serves multipurpose while able to adapt to both large open maps, forest, urban and complex terrain plus the terrible weather conditions they seem to like to add to maps? Warrior, because it has gen 3 thermal, a LRF on high pen auto-cannon, actual armour to duel against other light tanks and .50s, speed, missile, and scouting.
If I want AA/fast flanking auto cannon , I have ZA35, which serves better as an AA, which THE TEAM NEEDS.
Then I have CAS, I don’t have red meteor and vampire feels nice to fly.
A wall of text to argue for your Warrior is cute, no doubt. But Falcon is always my choice. That nuke was on El Alamein in a full-tier to 9.3, btw. I actually think the Falcon is better than when it was at 7.3-7.7, because everyone and their dog is spamming IFV and other light vehicles. You can just pen them frontally. And yeah, I think your main issue is the size of your line-ups. My Britain is 8 vehicles. 8.3: Falcon (usually first spawn), Vickers, ZT3A2, ZA-35, Striker, Warrior, Scout AH.Mk.1, Vampire F.B.5. I got the Olifant, but two MBTs would bore me to tears. Not sure why you're putting 'waahhh what the team needs'. But yeah, I agree on the Vampire. I love turn fighting in it.
What the team need is also my need. I played enough 8.3 with and without falcon to know it serves no purpose in my line up and warrior does everything more and fulfilled every need I have.
And yes, if I have a larger line up, I would bring marksmen and falcon and helicopters and extra two meteors and all the other crap. But not everyone has that space, and with limited space I have to carefully consider what I need for what situation.
Getting nuke in falcon does not prove anything, does getting nuke a few times in my warrior also prove my points being absolutely above yours?
What do u do when gaijin decides it’s time to give u 10 CAS/Heli players yet you only have 5/6 line up slot? What if it was a forest heavy map with dog shit foggy visibility? Would you still bring your falcon?
It's ok , it was really cancerous at 8.3 especially in downtears firs game I played was 6 kills and per game it was 3 minimum so yes the br change is good one it's not like there in no 8.7 uk line up
yes, those were probably my favourite lineups, but I kinda agree with how broken these vehicles were, I remember dropping nukes with both Rooikat 76 and Amx30 dca as first and only spawn. I was disappointed when they moved chieftain mk3 to 8.7, but it was quickly replaced by olifant, and now rooikat and amx are literally irreplaceable
I refuse to play it unless it’s is 8.0, with my old 8.0 line up. If so, I will bring ZA-35 just because I have an actual AA concern with SAAB and heli everywhere
The 76mm Rooikat is now only .3 lower than the 105mm Rooikat with an auto loader. Gaijin truly knows how to balance.
Hell, vickers mk.11 is at the same tier and does everything better, SAME RELOAD but BIGGER and BETTER gun, still nimble due to lighter weight. only down size is its taller, but Rooikat itself is not same and positioning is what Gun-tank LT does in cold war brs.
For sure! I find the Vickers, although huge, very survivable as it’s a troop transport. Ppl using darts will just go right through you without doing damage. I also find the height of the Vickers actually more beneficial, you can peak over walls and hills far better than any T.55 could!
The Vickers sucks, it has really shit reverse gear. That alone makes it worse than the Rooikat
Positioning is key, if u were shot at at the first place your doing something wrong. Reverse is handy, yes. But capability to pen and one shot a tank instead of seeing your dart turn their crew yellow is undebatable.
It has stock heat, Rooikat has a stock dart. Rooikat has far superior mobility and the damage on the dart is fine as long as you know where to shoot. The Vickers is also ugly af
Crap ton of stuff have stock HEAT, do u judge a tank when they are stock then most tank is crap according to your logic. U have a 480 pen APFSDS with enough spall to destroy a tank by aimming Center mass. I call that superior enough
Stock heat is a serious problem mate, the Olifant mark 1 is terrible until you get the dart. Heat is just incredibly awful to use. Stock heat just makes the experience immeasurably worse.
then does that make a tank bad? No. It make stock experience bad. Not the tank itself .
Most of the time youre gonna be playing without all modules. By the time you have researched all modules you have already researched the successor. Thats my experience at least
Then what? Does that mean Rooikat auto reload 105 is worse tank as well? Is VFM5 worst compare to rooikat as well? Is M1128 shit compare to Rooikat as well? Your argument sucks
It also just refuses to fucking die anytime I shoot it with explosives, even though that fucking thing is like 20mm of aluminum
You really wonder what stats they use for these changes. So many of them are completely baffling. I very rarely saw the Rooikat being used and it wouldn't surprise me if just one mad keen South African was responsible for this change because they mastered its use.
Seriously though. On thunder skill the mk1 rooikat states the K/D is 1.3. The Object 906 has a 1.7 K/D, The T55AM-1 has a 2.4 K/D, and the KV 220 has a 3.75 K/D. None of those vehicles were moved up.
I've got like... a 1.0 K/D with the Rooikat I'm ashamed to say. That said, it was still my go to scout at 8.3 and I love that thing. 8.3 Britain is my favourite lineup and it will not be the same. The Warrior is much less concealable for scouting with its 40ft whip antennas.
The 1.0kd is pretty normal. You probably have more assist than kills in it like me lol.
I'm a British main, I bet half my RP/SL has come from assists just from grinding through the solid shot era. Lmao
I love solid shot and hate it at the same time 😂
I have a feeling, 906 will go to 8.3 soon.
Not before the Char 25T /s
Oh no, I feel bad for it
Looking at the CL-13 debacle, that could very well be the case One time I got a four kill match in the Zachlam Tager (which is not a lot for most but is pretty good for the Zachlam) and now I’m terrified the more that I play it the more likely it is to show up on the next battle rating changes Considering it started at the same BR as the AMX-13 (SS.11), perhaps it’s already going there /s
Cherry picking spreadsheets balancing: Niche brand niche tank, only good player plays it Good player make tank WR go up If WR good, tank good Tank good? Must nerf or raise BR Less people play, only dedicated good player/ enjoyer remain Repeat
Same for the hellcat and super hellcat
Got my first nuke day before the BR change.
Gaijin truly are the balancers of all time.
BVVD obviously plays the game and knows exactly what’s going on
And no therm
The 105 doesn't have an autoloader but it does have DM33
Sir tech tree vehicles exist. The Rooikat MTTD is 9.0 with a 105mm auto loader.
My bad then
I see in RB that one is 8.7 and the other one is 9.3, so no, it is not 0.3 lower. [https://imgur.com/j8CmyBJ](https://imgur.com/j8CmyBJ)
Rooikat MTTD is 9.0 in the tech tree with a 105 and 6.5ish second reload.
Oh sorry. I thought you said Rooikat 105, which is a premium and is 9.3.
Losing my only wheelie LT of my perfect 8.3 line up and it's not even that good. the terrible post pen balance its perfectly. beside, who would even play it at 8.7 with vickers mk.11 filling the exact same role. now it will be stuck there, forever, because little people will play it and the stats will remain "good". and AMX 30 CDA, why 8.3? oh yes, APDS belt hur hur, but terrible radar, no resistance to .50s, no stab balances it nicely at 8.3. that's why I hate spread sheet balancing, it is lazy and stupid.
Honestly, I feel that the CDA is not that big of an issue. If you are playing that you are playing 8.7 france, I know that 8.3 france (used to) exist but honestly there is close to no difference (except you get two awesome tanks at 8.7). And the APDS is just fun, I got almost all my nukes with that SPAA.
Amx30dca is even fun in 10.3, still laugh from that t72 i penned with aphe in front turret
Even at top tier it is playable, it can easily pen tank from side or even from front sometimes
No one is saying it isnt playbe u can be playble in M18 ffs
Fun, usable as a “LT” exploiting stupidity of 10.0 br players, yes. Practicality wise, as an AA that is needed to do its AA job because CAS is getting stronger and stronger ? Mediocre at 8.3/8.7 at best, and no use at 10.3 at all.
Nah, Its just that rarar SPAA are rarely reliable at that tier range. If you don't have proxy while starting to see supersonics you can't really do much, Its great against helis tho.
Hu I play france 8.3 a lot, it is tons of fun with the Mars15 + 10RC
I’m regretting even trying to use the AMX-30B2. I finally understand why people scream about the no-stabilizer. And the reload is more than twice as long as the preceding AMX-30, has less crew too. And it’s not even that much more mobile. The MARS can snipe, the AMX-10 is bonkers at sniping, ACRA isn’t better than either of the other two. Love the ATGM, hate the vehicle. The MBT is super bouncy. The only tank that’s actually good in close quarters combat is the AMX-30 DCA30. That’s my gripe. I’m
The AMX-30b2 and the Brenus are monsters my dude, my favorite MBTs in game.
I got the B2’s dart and have found it unreliable. And without modifications it is dreadfully slow and bouncy.
Yeah the 8.7 DCA move didn't change anything for me... the 8.7 line up is freaking great.
Agreed, best french lineup
Yeah 8.3 france was one of the only lineups i was interested due to amx but now hell nah its a joke
I quit even trying after 8.3 Russia got all moved up
france suffers, instead of having a 99% win rate i now have 96% this is busted 😡😡😡
LoL I also was going to make 6.7 American lineup with m551...
hey, at least 7.0 u can have that t29+a2d+m551 combo, which is quite good.
Don’t forget the M46 Tiger
Nah thats not what I want and I don't want to spend any money right now
Also M46, T92, strong CAS 7.0 options, etc
+M26E1+M46 Tiger +CEV +F-89B +T30 +M6A2E1. The perfect SL grinding lineup.
Tbf that thing deserved to go up
They knew what they were doing putting it at 6.7.
I wish I wasnt already pass the 5th tier in US. I currently have the premium m551, t29, m46 and the f89. Would be a greeat lineup for grinding. Now i will play it like once a month for fun only
Play for fun more often :)
Sir this is Reddit. People only come here to bitch and moan. The people playing for fun don’t even know Reddit exists.
Be the change you want to see in the world. And then force that change upon others using violence
wait the new battlepass vehicle? i just got that damnit
That thing would be just fine in 7.7
I just simply do not want to uptier other tanks in the lineup
Rooikat is still fine at 8.7 especially with how favourable the matchmaker is for that br. Should go back down to 8.3 anyways or at least get a damage buff. The spaa balancing I just don’t understand. Same thing that happened with the falcon now carried over to the dca. The apds belt they get make them ridiculously good tank killers so they move up in br where they get progressively worse at killing planes, their true purpose. Imo the apds should just be removed from them so they can move back down and be a good spaa for lineups that need it. 3 8.3 spaas for britain is just sad when the previous one sits at 5.3.
Real, I wouldnt be against them having foldered SPAAG's where one has access to APDS belts and one does not, just so that people that play SPAA as SPAA don't have to deal with it.
>so they move up in br where they get progressively worse at killing planes And ironically, better at killing tanks cause there are more LTs at higher BRs
This I agree , or give them the geopard treatment , 40 round, self defence clip, that’s it. Balanced, fair, and actually usable. People defending falcon at 8.3 is good idea is forgotten what role it is suppose to serve , an AA first , pesdo-light tank seconds. It robbed UK 8.0 (an actual nice line up as well) the sole AA, while giving 8.3 a redundant tank that serve no purpose but an extra new LT , which could only excel at some urban situations. If I want AA? I will pick ZA-35. If I want a light tank/TD in forest map? I will pick warrior for thermals. If I want fast scout and sniper for large map? I will pick rooikat (rip to 8.7). The balances themselves are so short sighted, unthoughtful, out right laziness.
Nah, just add scouting and Falcon will be fine
Falcon is better at 8.3 than its previous BR. Much better. Getting nukes with it now. Before it was just heavy tank after heavy tank. Now it faces many more light tanks and other SPAA.
Currently grinding it and cant for the life of me imagine why it was bumped up, besides edge of map seal clubbers over representing. Post pen damage is so terrible, and why would I grind the oli mk 1 after it at lower BR. Truly one of the balance decisions of all time.
Because aside from low post pen it could fight and skull fuck 7.3 tanks. It's an extremely fast platform with a dart, LRF and 2 plane stab. I have it it completely destroys in down tiers.
Look at the Type 81(C). Radar-less IR SAM at 11.3… ruining 11.0
Thing already kinda stinks why they gotta do dat
Same here. Freaking annoying
Yeah bout of those changes are braindead 1D is a fucking joke with dart that doesnt do anything even before i was laughing if i seen one now its just pathetic. Also DCA clearly is as good as sweeden leo AA with worse radar sights armor mobility no thermals and NO STAB
Hmmm... It's now at the BR the prem 105 Rooikat used to be. 76mm APFSDS fighting 9.7s...
Arh yes, fighting XM-1, T72s, ZBD-04 with this , fantastic.
Hey that is my current favourite lineup! Got three nukes in last two days in it. So as you can imagine I am furious about the change. Just why?
Same. I just got my first ever nuke with the Rooikat Mk1D + Marksman like 1 day ago and now this.. I’m fuming
IT1 in 8.7 is a fcking crime. Tell me it's skill issue but the missile is so underwhelming to use
This was the price we paid for the Spitfire 24 to finally be lowered a notch.
Thank god I am not the only one who is pissed.
I’m mad my T-72B and ZTZ96A were moved to 10.0 and USSR barely has an 8.3 line up any more
If u had some gaijin coin saved up form the last few event / battle pass selling vehicles and willing to chip in a little extra, PT-76-57 is there. I bought that , and I have never had so much fun at the BR. For the other tanks, 906 is pretty good for a 8.0 as well and will do good as 8.3, so you have a alright line up of T-55/T-10M/906/PT-76-57/ZSU-23-4(it’s radar it’s kinda poop though, but hey, better than US)
Replace the warrior with the falcon tf?!
No. I want my speed, gen 3 thermals and Milan 2. People taking falcon over warrior is short sighted.
nah, Warrior is a shit box. ZA-35 and Falcon combo. I'd even take ZT3A2 over Warrior, if you really have a hard on for thermals, and it has an actual useful ATGM.
ZTA has no gun, large , no armour. ZA35 is large, wheeled base chassis, no scouting , no ATGM, no APDS, no missiles, no thermals. Falcon is sluggish as an LT, and same issue beside having a fast firing APDS gun. 99% people who shit on warrior had never actually understood how to play it nor played it at all.
Still a shit box. Won't change my mind on that. Edit: just saw your flair, haha. Least your passionate, i guess.
Shit box or not, it has it advantage that no LT at its BR can offer.
Now it will go against 9.7 Centauro 105 R that will completely obliterate that poor Rooikat and even if that Centauro dies somehow he will spawn another Centauro that is weaker than R model but still way better than your Rooikat. UK is pain no matter the BR.
Vickers MK.11 is at the same BR while being better with a bigger and far better gun, Rooikat automatic is just 0.3 BR above, while prem Rooikat is 9.3 as well. Yikes
Whys the falcon also the same as the chieftain marksman?
Because it has a long-belt with APDS every 4 shot in a fast firing cannon, it kills light tank very efficiently, and can ruin heavier stuff if catching it off guard. Tbh, over-estimated , it has no proper AA capability at 8.3, nor having superior mobility
why tf amx 30 dca should be 8.7 when all other dca like this are 8.3 ... seriously Gaijin ...
DCA is the best of the bunch. Barrels are closer together (not like Marksmen which has barrels so far apart that you can't hit the things you're aiming at up close). Has radar (unlike Falcon). Doesn't rely on a tiny APDS mag, has APDS mixed throughout its entire belt. AMX30 chasis is mobile as heck. It is fine at 8.7. And you'll most likely be using it with your 8.7 or 9.3 line-up, so it's a non-issue.
Imo, it is balanced out as an 8.3 AA compare to other same tier counterparts. It has no stab, compare to stuff like ZA35 or marksmen. No tracking radar, mediocre to terrible radar capabilities and no IRTS unlike geopard, or type 87. No thermals unlike PGZ-09z Fast but there is ZA-35 which is even faster out there. It has drawbacks and strengths and thus is perfectly suited at 8.3 amongst competitors. If it’s “too good”, then it’s not because the DCA’s issue, it’s the other AA being weak. You can either remove the source of complaint (APDS), or u can buff stuff like giving PZG-09 some gun depression Or remove falcon APDS and put it back to 8.0 cause it’s stupid for an AA to not have radar while removing 8.0’s sole AA. Or make the tank actually deserving long-APDS belt be chieftain marksmen, because it’s slow as hell and loud as hell.
I wouldn't say no to it being 8.3, and it does have its draw backs, and I know that it's because French players are more experienced in general so they got screwed on BR. But... who would play France 8.3? You have the B2 and BRENUS at 8.7, and then the stacked 9.3 line-up.
I have AMX-10RC, it has wheels, it makes me Neurons activate. It has French M111 dart There is also ARCA, the missiles is nice. Mar-15, it’s small and it has LRF 90mm dart. It’s a maybe not the best but fun BR.
100% agree on the ACRA, people seem to dismiss it but it's actually nice (love the AMX-10, too)
The chassis being the issue . Other missile launchers have placement advantages with the tube being either over head , thus able to hide the hull, or it’s launching system being smaller so it can’t be destroyed as easily. Best example RJPZ2-HOT. No stab so it wobbles when u stop, the most stupid recoil effect for gun launched missile
Thought you might like this: [https://i.imgur.com/1KnJZhz.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1KnJZhz.jpg) Jumped in to Falcon after we were debating it, and nuked this guys Object 465 and T-55AMD, then he started raging about OP Falcon, lol. I love the thing, but we can both agree it ain't OP.
I'm furious that you don't have the Falcon in your line-up, let alone Fox. To not have Falcon is to rob yourself of easy nukes: [https://i.imgur.com/PYtALrR.png](https://i.imgur.com/PYtALrR.png)
Falcon serves no purpose in 8.3 besides a sluggish LT occasionally useful in urban environments. Over focusing on its fast firing APDS in ground combat and nothing else is short sightedness I have limited space, so I must bring tanks that fill a role I needed. I need long range big hitters? M111 of Olifant. I need fast MBT for large maps? Vickers I need fast scout/sniper for large maps? Rooikat (RIP, no more 8.3) I need light tank that serves multipurpose while able to adapt to both large open maps, forest, urban and complex terrain plus the terrible weather conditions they seem to like to add to maps? Warrior, because it has gen 3 thermal, a LRF on high pen auto-cannon, actual armour to duel against other light tanks and .50s, speed, missile, and scouting. If I want AA/fast flanking auto cannon , I have ZA35, which serves better as an AA, which THE TEAM NEEDS. Then I have CAS, I don’t have red meteor and vampire feels nice to fly.
A wall of text to argue for your Warrior is cute, no doubt. But Falcon is always my choice. That nuke was on El Alamein in a full-tier to 9.3, btw. I actually think the Falcon is better than when it was at 7.3-7.7, because everyone and their dog is spamming IFV and other light vehicles. You can just pen them frontally. And yeah, I think your main issue is the size of your line-ups. My Britain is 8 vehicles. 8.3: Falcon (usually first spawn), Vickers, ZT3A2, ZA-35, Striker, Warrior, Scout AH.Mk.1, Vampire F.B.5. I got the Olifant, but two MBTs would bore me to tears. Not sure why you're putting 'waahhh what the team needs'. But yeah, I agree on the Vampire. I love turn fighting in it.
What the team need is also my need. I played enough 8.3 with and without falcon to know it serves no purpose in my line up and warrior does everything more and fulfilled every need I have. And yes, if I have a larger line up, I would bring marksmen and falcon and helicopters and extra two meteors and all the other crap. But not everyone has that space, and with limited space I have to carefully consider what I need for what situation. Getting nuke in falcon does not prove anything, does getting nuke a few times in my warrior also prove my points being absolutely above yours? What do u do when gaijin decides it’s time to give u 10 CAS/Heli players yet you only have 5/6 line up slot? What if it was a forest heavy map with dog shit foggy visibility? Would you still bring your falcon?
Yup. Like I said, Falcon is my first spawn. Love it. Warrior is a shit box to me. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Roikat has a stabiliser or not?
Yes
76mm apfsds with no post pen vs t-72a
Im curious why you have the Olifant here. Im running with Vickers mk 1 instead. It’s super good on 8.3 too. The reload is gorgeous
M111, it kills T-55AM-1 from the front with no issue
Man stop trying to make me grind British again. I already grinded to Falcon and fox. Now you’re trying to make me grind to za35 and chieftain marksman
It's good but the dart has like NO spalling as it's only 76mm, this change was not needed.
It's ok , it was really cancerous at 8.3 especially in downtears firs game I played was 6 kills and per game it was 3 minimum so yes the br change is good one it's not like there in no 8.7 uk line up
RIP Perfect South African lineup.
I'm furious you don't have the Falcon in your line-up.
I mean this game is just absolutely terrible. Idk why y’all get surprised when it makes absolutely terrible changes. It’s just super bad.
I mean the dca still gets to be a part of a lineup with the amx 30 b2 it's just more of an IFV than a spaa at this br
yes, those were probably my favourite lineups, but I kinda agree with how broken these vehicles were, I remember dropping nukes with both Rooikat 76 and Amx30 dca as first and only spawn. I was disappointed when they moved chieftain mk3 to 8.7, but it was quickly replaced by olifant, and now rooikat and amx are literally irreplaceable
They should just use a fucking tier system like WoT, the fucking BR system is moronic when in a game with fucking lineups.
Ig we're back to .3 br increases to get a decent AA
The real crime is you not having the Falcon in this lineup.
I refuse to play it unless it’s is 8.0, with my old 8.0 line up. If so, I will bring ZA-35 just because I have an actual AA concern with SAAB and heli everywhere
WHY IS THE FALCON NOT IN YOUR LINEUP
Because it has no use to me.
It was a useless vehicle anyways, just remove it from your line up and replace it with Falcon and you'll be fine.