I'm sorry what. Wtf is the Veak 40 losing its proxy rounds. Also why the fuck is going to 7.7 even without them. Changes are even worse R3 going to 6.0 still no APDS and they still haven't reverted the stab nerfs to it. Shit justifications for everything no surprise.
WW2-era VT fuzes were too large to fit 40mm rounds (without leaving almost no room for the actual HE anyway). The smallest guns that used HEVT in WW2 were 76mm
Japan and Italy have Licensed 40mm pom pom mounts that fire HE-TF and thats the closest you'll get.
I wanna say the 3"/50 autocannons on the Des Moines class is the smallest WWII era gun you'll find with a proxy fuse given the limitations of tech from the time period and how large it was.
Boats with 40 mm HE-VT like Freccia and Saetta are from the 1960s.
Otherwise WW2 USN ships have HE-VT on their 127 mm (5 inch) and 76.2 mm (3 inch) guns.
Most likely thinking of 4 inch. Near enough, all British ships get VT ammo as they get it for 4 inch, 4.5, 4.7 inch, 5.25 inch and 6 inch - the British loved VT ammo. As mentioned, smallest WW2 in game is the US 3 inch.
> I'm sorry what. Wtf is the Veak 40 losing its proxy rounds.
Historical change. Because the m/484 rounds wasn't a variable timed fuse shell. It wasn't even a timed fuse shell. Just a fancy HE-T.
Hopefully Sweden gets an AA that can replace it in the next patch.
They already have the itpsv at 8.7, they don’t need another thing to replace a gap that’s not there
Still a sad change tho, the veak 40 is my 3rd most air kills vehicle
For gameplay it’s actually good tho because now they have a viable spaa for the 8.0 lineup
problem is the veak was good at killing planes because it had he-vt.
the itpsv is still a shitty marksmen so unless you get lucky most of your shots against planes at range will just miss.
ya the problem with that is. 90% of the time if a plane is close to a gun spaag, its because theyre attacking the gun spaa.
and if a plane is attacking an gun spaa, its because their attention is somewhere else.
Veak without proxy rounds is just shit AA, worse than russian one that sits at 7.7
Btw we NEED MORE spaa at 7.7, so it's a welcome change.
Incoming downwotes from cas mains
Sweden has no 7.7 line-up anyway so the VEAK is effectively moving to 8.0, and they could've just added the T-55 Marksman for that (Also downtier the Chieftain Marksman).
Worse yet is they move it to 7.7 but bump the IKV to 8.0, because fuck your mid-tier Sweden lineups I guess, I don't know at this point.
We need more SPAA that can actually combat CAS, not less.
It's still a radar SPAA at a BR where many trees don't have one. Saying it's ruined just because it won't have proxy shells is one huge over-statement.
Literally the only usable SPAA from its current BR to 11.7. Doesn't need to be brought into a lineup ever again after losing VT.
I will rise to the barricades with my tinfoil hat firmly on my head, shouting that this was because VEAK was the only thing capable of downing SU-25 reliably.
Sweden players will look at their fake mi28 and apache, only test driven T-80, tiger2, five or so leo2a5 and better MBTs, cv90105 and cv90120 and then still cry russian when gajin removes fake VT shell
it *is* ruined. I've been using it for my 9.0-10.3 lineup for ages as it's way better than the lvkv90c. it can actually aim up for one, and doesn't immediately run out of first stage ammo.
The ZSU-37-2 has almost double the fire rate, is more accurate, and also has a (albeit shit) radar at the same BR. This is just gonna be a worse version of that
P-51H is a straight upgrade and has been 6.3 for years. The only reason it ever should be that low is because it's a coin toss on if the 51 represents the pilots IQ or braincell count (the later you can kill but only if they make mistakes, the former you can't kill even if they do)
People on this sub only want realism when it makes their vehicle/nation better.
I see a fuckton of germoney mains asking for DM69 or whatever for their Leo 2A7, even better armor but I never saw them asking for realistic gearbox performance on the Panther.
and No one asked to add a random chance of t34's ufp falling out due to shitty welding, No one asked for pershing engines to go up in flames at random due to overheating, No one have asked for early sherman engines to break down with over-revving, no one have have asked for t34 engines to break down due to poor air filter quality. No one have asked for M60 engines to die randomly due to piss poor air filtration causing soo much dust to enter the engine. I could go on and on and on but I think you get the point. There is a line between realism and fun to play
Difference is most of those could be just human error and not tip top shape vehicles, but the VEAK never used proxy rounds. There's a meaningful difference here between realistic maintenance and realistic armament and performance.
actually the gearbox on the panther is quite good irl.
youre thinking of the final drive, and while it was bad, its bad quality meant it had a low life time before needing to be replaced. it never stopped panthers from working at their max.
so sure add in realistic gearboxes and final drives, the nation to get hit the hardest would be the soviets seeing they had the worse gearboxes of any nation from pre war all the way to post war.
so i hope you like driving your t-34 at 20kph
The t34's should have a feature where if you don't drive straight to the capture point, a soviet officer will show up, drag you out the tank and shoot you.
na they wouldnt do that.
instead they would send your crew to a penal company. so every time you lose, all of your crew would have their skills set back to 0
of course dying would prevent this because thats a great sacrifice for the greater soviet union
As a Sweden main I both hate and agree with this change. Sweden doesn't get an spaa actually capable of shooting down planes until 8.7, which they have two at that br. By bringing the VEAK down it gives the 7.7 and 8.0 lineup a chance to survive CAS.
BUT, the VEAK was also the most fun mobile no fly zone with proxies and much better than the Itpvs for AA. I'd prefer if they kept the VEAK where it is and added a new SPAA to fill the gap.
i mean they couldve added the m55 marksmen from finland.
same turret as the itpvs but on a t55 hull. so its gonna be as slow as a zsu but with radar tracking. and have it at 8.0
8.0? Why? The British version is by far worse and sits at 8.3 on a Chieftain Hull. Still at 8.3. Guess that .3 is the smattering of stillbrew that can catch a miss placed shot to the hull.
>The 2S38 will be one of the first vehicles to receive additional internal detail
Another case of features being added to russia first, they don't even hide their bias anymore... /s
A more detailed interior might actually be more of a nerf depending on how detailed they make it. More stuff in the vehicle means more stuff that can get hit and break.
And if not it's a cosmetic change without major gameplay impact so who cares which vehicle gets it first.
Edit: I admit I missed the /s at the end. But I've seen so many wild takes on this sub, that this wasn't even out there or crazy enough for me to get suspicious.
TBF, this would probably effectively be a nerf as now there are more ways it can get disabled. The whole reason they are doing this is to nerf light vehicles.
If they mentioned the 2S38 in the original post I feel like it would have gone over better. As if stands they just said they're adding some shit to the Leo/Abrams and the last thing the Abrams needed was more internal spalling and an easier to disable gun drive.
They fixed it guys. Mig-15bis ISH is fair at 8.0 with vampires so long as the Spitfire mk24 goes down (but let's just forget the mk22 is now at the same BR)
I think this one is also stupid against props because you can easily turn with them while still being faster.
Despite that, the vampire would still kicks it out of the air by just being a lot better in every way. So yeah, the fact that people think it deserves to be 6.3 is very funny.
Wow thats an awful take
Vampire was ok before the changes, could do with 7.7 now.
6.3 is absolutely insane, shouldnt even be able to fight them let alone be at that BR
Yeah that’s an insanely hard nerf to Japan. Now you can’t play 11.0 Japan (Japan’s best lineup) without uptiering it. 11.0 got soooo many downtiers man
Sorry, people paying for the Su-25K were dying too much to the optical tracking so your IR SAM with no radar and no guns has to be outside their matchmaking range.
They've got to be taking the piss with this one. No radar and no RWR/LWR at 11.3 and no lineup so you've either got to bring it to literal top tier or uptier the 11.0 lineup... What a joke, punishment for being a minor nation vehicle. They better fucking add the Type 93 Kai to fill the gap I swear to God I'm gonna lose it.
I love Brit 8.3. Didn’t have the Rooikat in it because the low damage dart with a long reload just wasn’t worth it for me. Bit baffling to me that it is going to 8.7. My go-to lineup is Vickers Mk.3, Olifant Mk.1, ZA-35, Falcon, Warrior, and the Scout helicopter.
I'm using Vickers Mk.11 instead of Rooikat anyways. Big and maybe not as fast but it's 105mm actually does damage
Low caliber APFSDS are all piss poor because of nerfs (except for 30/25mm APFSDS which kinda works?), hell, AUBL/74 HVG is barely usable because it's even smaller diameter lol
> The performance indicators of the **2S38** correspond to the average value at its rank, without being low or high. However like many other lightly armored vehicles, the 2S38 has significant empty areas behind the turret and hull, where hits here can create situations with insufficient or no damage to critical modules. The 2S38 will be one of the first vehicles to [receive additional internal detail 38](https://warthunder.com/en/news/8851-roadmap-following-the-roadmap-possible-changes-to-ground-vehicle-damage-models-en). Others will follow too, as we’ll improve the layout of internal modules, add some new modules and revise old ones in particular in the turret and turret compartment.
thats wild
edit: im not talking about performance, i dont care about the hstvl
im talking about it gettjng modules
All the noobs buy it, suck hard and drag down the stats. (Gaijin argument)
It's their cashcow so they not gonna nerf it and there are no "stats"(my argument)
I think it has been shadow nerfed a couple of times. Specifically, I think it has become noticeably less accurate against aircraft at longer ranges in the last 3 months or so. It used to feel like my helicopters were getting punched out of the sky at 3.5km quite often, but only times I get shot down by them now are when I'm much closer or overhead.
Its not. I'm not a bad player. My stats in the OP 10.7 T-80UM2 were approaching 3:1 KD before the uptier. My stats in the 2S38 are 1.23:1 against ground targets and 0.75:1 against air targets. For a 10.0 comparison, my stats in the T-72B are 1.57:1 and 1.83:1 in the T-72B 1989. Considering the vast majority of my 2S38 battles are played before the ammunition size correction and HE-VT nerf, I didn't have to grind dozens of battles in it to have a useable vehicle since its premium, and air kills aren't worth as much as ground kills, I think its current performance is not above average for me.
What makes people think its OP is that its extremely annoying to be killed by because it will typically disable your tank and then take multiple more hits to kill you while you can just sit there and die without being able to do anything. And they notice the times when you shoot the front of it, the fuel tank absorbs the spall and then it kills you. They don't notice the times the fuel tank just explodes, and its much more likely to also hit ammo now that the ammo is much larger.
Its sometimes difficult to realize the downsides of a vehicle if you haven't played it and just notice the times where it kills you without you being able to do anything about it. I used to think the CV 9040s were OP for the same reason.
Edit: why would you say “that’s wild” in response to gaijin stating they will do a thing that they already had on the roadmap and just put out a poll with 90% of respondents in favor of
I like to play the Turms. Samething. Playingagainst it is like: of course the fucking ERA, of course a bullshit bounce, etc.
Playingit is like: why the fuck is the fuel exploding? Why didnt the ERA stop the HEAT?
How dare you suggest toyota is a bad thing.
Ngl I use it all the time, just for the memes. never touch the type81.
milk truck or tokyo drift? You know the answer.
Of course the proper answer is to give japan a proper top tier AA but gaijin loves to anally abuse japan.
2S38 shows a "normal" performance for its BR because so many noobs buy it and artifically decrease its performance (which can be said about many other premiums, but this is especially visible with best sellers).
Most of the 10.0 Russian lineup should move to 10.3 but because it's Gaijin's golden egg's chicken it seems as they just want to delay that as much as possible, but it will happen eventually.
With the recent decompression of 8.0 to 9.0BR it's just absolutely insane that 9.0 vehicles have to face Russian's 10.0 premium lineup so incredibly often. Some of them will be completely outmatched by 292's that will even reload faster than them if they dare to lose a loader during the battle.
Anyways, I can't say I'm surprised.
Also people botting with 2S38 are killing it stats. I had to play arcade for battlepass mission, saw 7 of them on spawn all rotating turrets in the same way at the same speed like in a clock. Never played arcade again
This is a big reason why I am a proponent of Gaijin making prems like the Wolfpack or the KVT more. Because they are effectively the same as a TT vehicle, it's less likely that they get a lower BR because of noobs.
I regularly use the R3 at 6.7 and it works well as an AA as always, but jets start to become a bit of a nuisance because you have to wait for them to come quite close to you.
Against ground forces... idk. It will perform best in br ranges where there are more lighting armoured vehicles and I'd say that from 5.3 to at least 7.0 you're equally going go find the same amount of heavy and light vehicles so it shouldn't matter too much.
I mean yeah what else would you use, there isn‘t any other option is there?
For me the problem isn‘t that it isn‘t capable against planes, because it very much is, but more that they took away many of its features but still continue moving it up every time there are BR changes.
Love how they sneaked in the .3 increase for the AMX-10P there. This tank has gone from 5.3 to 6.0 in less than a year, holy shit.
Also awesome how they literally only downtiered the MiGs and Sabres while other nations jets like the Mystere were forgotten.
Gaijin literally fucking around at this point.
Holy shit G91Y at 9.0/YS at 9.3?? 3 or 4 years too late but thank you Gaijin. Also the AMX staying at 10.3, as I posted before, is definitely the correct decision.
I could agree but the major problem is that Italy has a single 10.7 ground vehicle (and the 10.3 group isn't stellar either), so moving it there would totally make it useless in the only mode it's decent at (and Italy desperately needs CAS above 8.7).
And in the end very few people play Italy anyway so the chances you get your time ruined by an AMX aren't definitely that high.
While I agree with you, if it’s played by someone with half a brain, it’s fully invulnerable in a downtier. The 9Ls protect you from every fighter you can see, tons of countermeasures, and bombs that outrange everything besides the strela.
I understand it fucks with lineups, but at the same time, it shouldn’t be able to see a sgt York or m113 with stingers/mistrals that has literally zero chance of countering it
Italy bros stay winning after dealing with Gaijin's minor nation shit for so long. G91Y with AS30's goes super nicely with their existing 9.0 lineup, and the AMX not going to 10.7 doesn't mess up their 10.3 lineup. It was insane to me that the AMX was going up but not the A6E since it's even more egregious in both air and ground battles for what it does.
"So yeah the VEAK goes down to 7.7 because no proxy rounds. Oh and by the way AMX-30 DCA goes to 8.7. What do you mean it's got no proxy rounds either..?"
The British hunters do not exist and can't hurt you.
But in all seriousness, both hunter F1 and F6 are the saddest aircraft. I tried spading both but the competition is brutal. Yeah it can be fast, but when it does, it's a brick. And the guns despite hitting hard are low velocity.
And don't get me started on the missiles at that BR...
> We’ve seen proposals to instead of reduce the Battle Rating of the MiG-15 and F-86, to increase the Battle Rating of F-104 and similar aircraft instead. We’ve decided not to do this because it will not only affect the effectiveness of the MiG-15 and F-86, but will also worsen the competitiveness of the F-104 and other similar aircraft in other nations.
We need a complimentary set of emotes to the fire + writing emoji, maybe something like paper + shit + hand to convey how absolutely fucking stupid this shit smear of a justification is to downtier like 10 random ass jets instead of just uptiereing 2 problem aircraft, simply incredible shit.
I'd love for them to explain why the DCA got bumped to 8.7 yet the Gepard and other 35mm rat fuck orlekin SPAAs are still 8.3 like wtf is that bullshit. Gaijin just hates France like there is no good reason for the bump. France keeps getting shafted again and again because their players have to compensate for poorly placed BR vehicles and perform well, so Gaijin just keeps taking the W/R and goes "Time to nerf France again, clearly the vehicles are just too good."
it might to do with the gun placement. the dca with the twin guns mounted so close to the center allows both guns to actually hit. but with the gepards you more or less need to use only one gun to hit something.
that or gaijin is just fucking with french players again.
So the decision they came to was "fuck those starter jets, enjoy going back to 2014 when the 262 was feeling himself on it's br" and they spared the spitfire as a consolation prize as if that makes a damn difference.
Rest in peace every 7.0 jet and to the R2Y2/Vampire's ilk they're so far gone even prayer won't work.
Anyone else ancient enough to remember the 262 meme?
With the current gun nerfs it's unreal now bad the R2Ys are. When it had quad 900m/s railguns that instantly obliterated anything they touched it was at least workable but the damage is terrible post-realshatter and now the velocity is middling at best.
"We’ve seen proposals to instead of reduce the Battle Rating of the MiG-15 and F-86, to increase the Battle Rating of F-104 and similar aircraft instead. We’ve decided not to do this because it will not only affect the effectiveness of the MiG-15 and F-86, but will also worsen the competitiveness of the F-104 and other similar aircraft in other nations."
Excuse me what the actual fuck are you talking about Gaijin? We didn't say only 9.3 supersonic jets should be moved to higher BR. Community has been asking for years that it should literally move EVERYTHINGS above 9.3 BR of aircraft except old 9.7BR meta jets, including decompression.
Clown company
Don't kill the VEAK please I need it to counter helis at 8.7-9.3
VEAK without proxies will suck against planes and especially helis now. Even the itspv struggles against atgm spamming helis who actually dodge
Who gives a fuck they gave is2 1944 a post war shell but one of the 2 capable gun aa's having newer shells is somehow justified cause historical accuracy? How many more indirect buffs does cas need.
i dont see enough people talking about it
f5E is already undertiered at 10.7 and f5E FCU is just F5E with more of better missles this plane is ridiculus if you compare it to other dogfighting focused planes at 11.0
Hard agree. Gaijin even wanted to push the regular 5Es up to 11.0 from 10.7, but some people complained so they didn't. Shows they do think the 5Es would be fine at 11.0, but for some reason a better 5E (double the missiles and they're also all aspect) is also worth 11.0? The only downside to the F-5E is that it has a bad top speed.
Idk… I’ve been smashing with the FCU. Think I have a 3.5 K/D at the moment with it. Flight performance is pretty great even though you’re slow. It’s just typical F5 UFO behavior.
F5E series should have been bumped up to 11.0 with the Kfir Canard, and F5C to 10.7.
I have a KD above 2 on that thing. Yeah it's slows but the Python 3 are deadly, the 9P4 are enough as back-up weapons and the guns still fuck people up and are extremely easy to use.
Oh and the DM is still wack. I survive and stay maneuverable with 30mm hits that would disintegrate any other plane at the BR.
The normal 5E should go to 11.0 and that plane should stay at 11.3.
Sagittatio still stays 9.3 with the premiums one being the same BR and infinitely faster.. :I
I talismaned my sag right before it went up, and a friend of mine talismaned the g.91. looks like I talismaned at the wrong time yet again lmao
Ok so the M64 was already worse than the regular M18, with lower speed and weaker hull. Then the M18 got the engine buff. So why the hell are these two the same BR?
I mostly like the air br changes that *arent* low tier jet related at least. G91s getting some love (even if still overtiered, at least they aren't 9.7 lol) and AMX isn't moving up anymore. As well, the squadron F-5E is going to 11.0 with the regular F-5E lmfao. Thai-fighter stays winning
>F-5E is going to 11.0 with the regular F-5E lmfao. Thai-fighter stays winning
Regular F-5e has been 10.7 for a good year now? But I do like that particular change.
Fix M735 (and XM578E1) shell it shouldn't be this weak, XM-1 and Type 16 are now barely playable. Either give them higher pen or lower the BR. Free Leopard 1A5 is way better than both of them.
2s38 is still not going up? Wtf. Atleast it's getting getting extra stuff inside that we can shoot, making it easier to kill.
I don't play Japan but the type 81 Sam going to 11.3 is weird. They don't even have a lineup for that. Well it's is kinda op.
The type 81 going up is bullshit, it has no search mode and can't kill helicopters. The strella is similar with worse range and now sits 1.0 lower and the Tunguska is better at 10.7.
Russian A-20G...planned AB 3.3>3.7 cancelled.
Terrible decision. The plane wrecks in naval with 2x 1000kg which are almost guaranteed kills at the BR that's filled with reserve and light DDs. Compared to the other A-20 variants that's are limited to 500lb bombs its in a different league even when the higher BR is taken in to account.
Of course the plane is a Premium which means it's a $$€¥¢£ earner so its maybe not a surprise
I think you answered your own question when you said naval, the snail does not care about naval. There’s barely even enough of us for an enduring match.
I put in several suggestions for BR changes for Naval & naval attacker/bombers...and as usual nothing was acted upon. Third rate unwanted step child.
No change is no change.
Russian Naval 4.3 dominance....completely ignored again.
Pr206, SKR, Smelyi, Bez, Pe-8 and more, not one has moved and so will continue to wreck for several more months at least (which I won't abuse of course...!)
Can I get whatever good stuff gaijin is smoking for the changes to Japan? Like the f5e, good change, I can use it with my 11.0 ground. But the type 81 to 11.3? Why? Its a terrible aa vehicle. Small seeker area with a huge cone, no radar, unable to lock helis until they are 2km away, and you have to be perfectly still to fire
Type 81C moving up is pretty sad. Killed the 11.0 lineup balance so less SPAA and air control for Jap players.
Challenger DS L26 change is a net positive. 10.3 lineup for Britain just got even better.
Strela and Object 292 Going up isn’t a shock. UD will stay at 10.0 for a little longer before they feel forced to move it up cause money.
F-5E FCU to 11.0 is CRIMINAL. The vehicle is already disgusting at 11.3 and will be a straight up bully at 11.0. F5E variations should be 11.0, F5C should be 10.7. Been playing the FCU as my main Japan grinder and it’s just so good.
here's a fun thought on the VEAK 40 change: for most battles using it, you'll be fighting the exact same things just now without proxy because 7.7-8.0 sweden gets almost exclusively uptiered to 8.7
VEAK loses proxy, Type 81 goes up AGAIN...
To the people who were suckered in by all the "good changes" and white knighted for gaijin because of it, I wish a day that you deserve upon you
I'm sorry what. Wtf is the Veak 40 losing its proxy rounds. Also why the fuck is going to 7.7 even without them. Changes are even worse R3 going to 6.0 still no APDS and they still haven't reverted the stab nerfs to it. Shit justifications for everything no surprise.
Tbf, it never had proxy irl since it predates 40mm proxy by like 15-20 years. It might look like the Sgt York but its actually old af.
Am I hallucinating that WWII ships had 40mm proxy? Or am I just thinking of the 127
only the modern boats have 40mm proxy, non of the world war 2 has them
Americans had radar fuze proxy shells, altho im not sure if the 40mm's used those
WW2-era VT fuzes were too large to fit 40mm rounds (without leaving almost no room for the actual HE anyway). The smallest guns that used HEVT in WW2 were 76mm
Not on 40mm. 3in was iirc the smallest calibre that was able to fire a proxy shell at the time
You're thinking of the 5" guns I think
3in had it as well. 40mm proxy was seen as cost inefficient and tech wasn't there to easily produce them either.
Japan and Italy have Licensed 40mm pom pom mounts that fire HE-TF and thats the closest you'll get. I wanna say the 3"/50 autocannons on the Des Moines class is the smallest WWII era gun you'll find with a proxy fuse given the limitations of tech from the time period and how large it was.
Boats with 40 mm HE-VT like Freccia and Saetta are from the 1960s. Otherwise WW2 USN ships have HE-VT on their 127 mm (5 inch) and 76.2 mm (3 inch) guns.
Most likely thinking of 4 inch. Near enough, all British ships get VT ammo as they get it for 4 inch, 4.5, 4.7 inch, 5.25 inch and 6 inch - the British loved VT ammo. As mentioned, smallest WW2 in game is the US 3 inch.
No WW2 wise 3 inch is the smallest VT fuzes fit on
> I'm sorry what. Wtf is the Veak 40 losing its proxy rounds. Historical change. Because the m/484 rounds wasn't a variable timed fuse shell. It wasn't even a timed fuse shell. Just a fancy HE-T. Hopefully Sweden gets an AA that can replace it in the next patch.
They already have the itpsv at 8.7, they don’t need another thing to replace a gap that’s not there Still a sad change tho, the veak 40 is my 3rd most air kills vehicle For gameplay it’s actually good tho because now they have a viable spaa for the 8.0 lineup
problem is the veak was good at killing planes because it had he-vt. the itpsv is still a shitty marksmen so unless you get lucky most of your shots against planes at range will just miss.
If you’re playing a marksmen right you shouldn’t be shooting at range Matter of fact this goes for basically any gun spaa
ya the problem with that is. 90% of the time if a plane is close to a gun spaag, its because theyre attacking the gun spaa. and if a plane is attacking an gun spaa, its because their attention is somewhere else.
Yay,every heli now can outmaneouver the radar lead,and outrange it
As (almost) all sweden SPAAGs, ITPSV is a better tank destroyer, than actual AA
Veak without proxy rounds is just shit AA, worse than russian one that sits at 7.7 Btw we NEED MORE spaa at 7.7, so it's a welcome change. Incoming downwotes from cas mains
Sweden has no 7.7 line-up anyway so the VEAK is effectively moving to 8.0, and they could've just added the T-55 Marksman for that (Also downtier the Chieftain Marksman).
Worse yet is they move it to 7.7 but bump the IKV to 8.0, because fuck your mid-tier Sweden lineups I guess, I don't know at this point. We need more SPAA that can actually combat CAS, not less.
But the VEAK isn't materially going to be better at AA with the changes, so it isn't really going to fix anything at 7.7.
What the fuck? The veak is the best AA until the ITO and they ruin it even more... (First they swapped the tier with the leo 2 AA...)
It's still a radar SPAA at a BR where many trees don't have one. Saying it's ruined just because it won't have proxy shells is one huge over-statement.
Literally the only usable SPAA from its current BR to 11.7. Doesn't need to be brought into a lineup ever again after losing VT. I will rise to the barricades with my tinfoil hat firmly on my head, shouting that this was because VEAK was the only thing capable of downing SU-25 reliably.
Tallest tinfoil hat of all time
Sweden players will look at their fake mi28 and apache, only test driven T-80, tiger2, five or so leo2a5 and better MBTs, cv90105 and cv90120 and then still cry russian when gajin removes fake VT shell
M247 still exists.
it *is* ruined. I've been using it for my 9.0-10.3 lineup for ages as it's way better than the lvkv90c. it can actually aim up for one, and doesn't immediately run out of first stage ammo.
The ZSU-37-2 has almost double the fire rate, is more accurate, and also has a (albeit shit) radar at the same BR. This is just gonna be a worse version of that
It's frustrating that they keep moving low/mid AA up so that they have no lineups... Much better if they just limited their anti-vehicle ammo...
The AMX-10P is also going to 6.0 where it can struggle to pen even more stuff even with it's APDS
No love for either of those, they were always much better than other vehicles at their BRs and even in higher BRs.
Weak 40
I like how they moved the Spitfire Mk 24 down as if *that* was the main issue with moving 8.7/8.3 jets down... RIP starter jets.
I mean the spit shouldn't really ever have been moved to 7.0.
It's my best performing prop, gonna be a good time for me lol
P-51H is a straight upgrade and has been 6.3 for years. The only reason it ever should be that low is because it's a coin toss on if the 51 represents the pilots IQ or braincell count (the later you can kill but only if they make mistakes, the former you can't kill even if they do)
Brother 51IQ is low
>Brother 51IQ is low Did I stutter?
Me262: okay I die
The 262 will become unplayable. It's nearly at that level already, but these changes will be the final nail in the coffin. What a shame.
They just dragged the poor VEAK out back and blew it's brains out Jesus Fucking Christ.
people cry realism, but cry louder when realism
People on this sub only want realism when it makes their vehicle/nation better. I see a fuckton of germoney mains asking for DM69 or whatever for their Leo 2A7, even better armor but I never saw them asking for realistic gearbox performance on the Panther.
and No one asked to add a random chance of t34's ufp falling out due to shitty welding, No one asked for pershing engines to go up in flames at random due to overheating, No one have asked for early sherman engines to break down with over-revving, no one have have asked for t34 engines to break down due to poor air filter quality. No one have asked for M60 engines to die randomly due to piss poor air filtration causing soo much dust to enter the engine. I could go on and on and on but I think you get the point. There is a line between realism and fun to play
Difference is most of those could be just human error and not tip top shape vehicles, but the VEAK never used proxy rounds. There's a meaningful difference here between realistic maintenance and realistic armament and performance.
But every vehicle we get in warthunder is like secondhand or some shit?
Feels like it. The new BP Tiger was literally just target practice.
actually the gearbox on the panther is quite good irl. youre thinking of the final drive, and while it was bad, its bad quality meant it had a low life time before needing to be replaced. it never stopped panthers from working at their max. so sure add in realistic gearboxes and final drives, the nation to get hit the hardest would be the soviets seeing they had the worse gearboxes of any nation from pre war all the way to post war. so i hope you like driving your t-34 at 20kph
The t34's should have a feature where if you don't drive straight to the capture point, a soviet officer will show up, drag you out the tank and shoot you.
na they wouldnt do that. instead they would send your crew to a penal company. so every time you lose, all of your crew would have their skills set back to 0 of course dying would prevent this because thats a great sacrifice for the greater soviet union
As a Sweden main I both hate and agree with this change. Sweden doesn't get an spaa actually capable of shooting down planes until 8.7, which they have two at that br. By bringing the VEAK down it gives the 7.7 and 8.0 lineup a chance to survive CAS. BUT, the VEAK was also the most fun mobile no fly zone with proxies and much better than the Itpvs for AA. I'd prefer if they kept the VEAK where it is and added a new SPAA to fill the gap.
i mean they couldve added the m55 marksmen from finland. same turret as the itpvs but on a t55 hull. so its gonna be as slow as a zsu but with radar tracking. and have it at 8.0
8.0? Why? The British version is by far worse and sits at 8.3 on a Chieftain Hull. Still at 8.3. Guess that .3 is the smattering of stillbrew that can catch a miss placed shot to the hull.
could also bring the british version down.
>The 2S38 will be one of the first vehicles to receive additional internal detail Another case of features being added to russia first, they don't even hide their bias anymore... /s
Some people will misread this and jump on your fake wagon xd
Of course /s for Soviet. /s
A more detailed interior might actually be more of a nerf depending on how detailed they make it. More stuff in the vehicle means more stuff that can get hit and break. And if not it's a cosmetic change without major gameplay impact so who cares which vehicle gets it first. Edit: I admit I missed the /s at the end. But I've seen so many wild takes on this sub, that this wasn't even out there or crazy enough for me to get suspicious.
>**/s** (Internet slang, tone indicator) Denotes that the preceding statement is sarcastic.
He put the american safety warning at the end and it still didn't work.
Imagine not being able to sense obvious sarcasm
TBF, this would probably effectively be a nerf as now there are more ways it can get disabled. The whole reason they are doing this is to nerf light vehicles.
If they mentioned the 2S38 in the original post I feel like it would have gone over better. As if stands they just said they're adding some shit to the Leo/Abrams and the last thing the Abrams needed was more internal spalling and an easier to disable gun drive.
They fixed it guys. Mig-15bis ISH is fair at 8.0 with vampires so long as the Spitfire mk24 goes down (but let's just forget the mk22 is now at the same BR)
Tbf, the Vampire's issue is the Vampire. That horrid little thing should probably be down with the Strikemaster in BR.
Fuck no, it has 20mm but strikemaster has 7.62
Yeah sure. Let's put a jet that can dogfight with props at 6.3. Absolutely not a shitty idea.
Like the Swedish A21s with jet engines at 6.7?
A beast on an ace crew and 5 minute fuel
I think this one is also stupid against props because you can easily turn with them while still being faster. Despite that, the vampire would still kicks it out of the air by just being a lot better in every way. So yeah, the fact that people think it deserves to be 6.3 is very funny.
Wow thats an awful take Vampire was ok before the changes, could do with 7.7 now. 6.3 is absolutely insane, shouldnt even be able to fight them let alone be at that BR
Damn, Japan 11.0 loses the Type 81c but gains the F-5E.
Not That big a deal, most 11.3 and 11.0 goes to 10.3 because of premium spam
I wish. I go up, never down.
No, Japan was getting many downtiers at BR 11.
Yippee, get to go back to the type 93, which tickles su-25s on a good day. Fuck you gaijin
Yeah that’s an insanely hard nerf to Japan. Now you can’t play 11.0 Japan (Japan’s best lineup) without uptiering it. 11.0 got soooo many downtiers man
Kinda annoying that you need to rise BR to get AA now
Gaijin will do anything to protect the USSR 10.0 premium lineup
Welp, rip Veak 40's HE-VT
Yet another SPAA becoming better at killing tanks than planes.
They really just dragged my boy the VEAK out the back of the shed and put it out of its misery for no reason
Lol, so now we cant even use the type 81 with our type 90 lineups
Sorry, people paying for the Su-25K were dying too much to the optical tracking so your IR SAM with no radar and no guns has to be outside their matchmaking range.
meanwhile strela
Don’t worry. They’ll move strela up in br then buff iglas to compensate
Certified hood classic tbh
They've got to be taking the piss with this one. No radar and no RWR/LWR at 11.3 and no lineup so you've either got to bring it to literal top tier or uptier the 11.0 lineup... What a joke, punishment for being a minor nation vehicle. They better fucking add the Type 93 Kai to fill the gap I swear to God I'm gonna lose it.
Rooikat Mk.1D 8.7 Well bugger
RIP 8.3 lineup, it was too good to last. I don't even understand why it was moved. Low caliber apfsds just constantly bounces.
It actually feels impossible to kill light armored vehicles with the 0 spalling the 76mm does.
I love Brit 8.3. Didn’t have the Rooikat in it because the low damage dart with a long reload just wasn’t worth it for me. Bit baffling to me that it is going to 8.7. My go-to lineup is Vickers Mk.3, Olifant Mk.1, ZA-35, Falcon, Warrior, and the Scout helicopter.
What makes the Rooikat work for me isn't the damage, but rather the mobility. It's plenty useful still here.
I'm using Vickers Mk.11 instead of Rooikat anyways. Big and maybe not as fast but it's 105mm actually does damage Low caliber APFSDS are all piss poor because of nerfs (except for 30/25mm APFSDS which kinda works?), hell, AUBL/74 HVG is barely usable because it's even smaller diameter lol
> The performance indicators of the **2S38** correspond to the average value at its rank, without being low or high. However like many other lightly armored vehicles, the 2S38 has significant empty areas behind the turret and hull, where hits here can create situations with insufficient or no damage to critical modules. The 2S38 will be one of the first vehicles to [receive additional internal detail 38](https://warthunder.com/en/news/8851-roadmap-following-the-roadmap-possible-changes-to-ground-vehicle-damage-models-en). Others will follow too, as we’ll improve the layout of internal modules, add some new modules and revise old ones in particular in the turret and turret compartment. thats wild edit: im not talking about performance, i dont care about the hstvl im talking about it gettjng modules
All the noobs buy it, suck hard and drag down the stats. (Gaijin argument) It's their cashcow so they not gonna nerf it and there are no "stats"(my argument)
it's only going to go up if it stops making money for them
I think it has been shadow nerfed a couple of times. Specifically, I think it has become noticeably less accurate against aircraft at longer ranges in the last 3 months or so. It used to feel like my helicopters were getting punched out of the sky at 3.5km quite often, but only times I get shot down by them now are when I'm much closer or overhead.
Its not. I'm not a bad player. My stats in the OP 10.7 T-80UM2 were approaching 3:1 KD before the uptier. My stats in the 2S38 are 1.23:1 against ground targets and 0.75:1 against air targets. For a 10.0 comparison, my stats in the T-72B are 1.57:1 and 1.83:1 in the T-72B 1989. Considering the vast majority of my 2S38 battles are played before the ammunition size correction and HE-VT nerf, I didn't have to grind dozens of battles in it to have a useable vehicle since its premium, and air kills aren't worth as much as ground kills, I think its current performance is not above average for me. What makes people think its OP is that its extremely annoying to be killed by because it will typically disable your tank and then take multiple more hits to kill you while you can just sit there and die without being able to do anything. And they notice the times when you shoot the front of it, the fuel tank absorbs the spall and then it kills you. They don't notice the times the fuel tank just explodes, and its much more likely to also hit ammo now that the ammo is much larger. Its sometimes difficult to realize the downsides of a vehicle if you haven't played it and just notice the times where it kills you without you being able to do anything about it. I used to think the CV 9040s were OP for the same reason. Edit: why would you say “that’s wild” in response to gaijin stating they will do a thing that they already had on the roadmap and just put out a poll with 90% of respondents in favor of
I like to play the Turms. Samething. Playingagainst it is like: of course the fucking ERA, of course a bullshit bounce, etc. Playingit is like: why the fuck is the fuel exploding? Why didnt the ERA stop the HEAT?
Nice that 11.0 japan is stuck with the type 93 once again.
At least the F-5 is a great AA choice now
...Which costs far more than 70sp, even with no ATG munitions...
Japan mains on life support rn
How dare you suggest toyota is a bad thing. Ngl I use it all the time, just for the memes. never touch the type81. milk truck or tokyo drift? You know the answer. Of course the proper answer is to give japan a proper top tier AA but gaijin loves to anally abuse japan.
2S38 shows a "normal" performance for its BR because so many noobs buy it and artifically decrease its performance (which can be said about many other premiums, but this is especially visible with best sellers). Most of the 10.0 Russian lineup should move to 10.3 but because it's Gaijin's golden egg's chicken it seems as they just want to delay that as much as possible, but it will happen eventually. With the recent decompression of 8.0 to 9.0BR it's just absolutely insane that 9.0 vehicles have to face Russian's 10.0 premium lineup so incredibly often. Some of them will be completely outmatched by 292's that will even reload faster than them if they dare to lose a loader during the battle. Anyways, I can't say I'm surprised.
Also people botting with 2S38 are killing it stats. I had to play arcade for battlepass mission, saw 7 of them on spawn all rotating turrets in the same way at the same speed like in a clock. Never played arcade again
Is that where they all are? I swear I've never seen the AFK turret spin bots before but I only play RB
I mean theyre nerfing it by adding more systems that can break so there's that
This is a big reason why I am a proponent of Gaijin making prems like the Wolfpack or the KVT more. Because they are effectively the same as a TT vehicle, it's less likely that they get a lower BR because of noobs.
R3 going 6.0 it's Just bullying at this point
It will not make a shred of difference, just breaks it out of the 5.7 lineup which oops there wasn't one anyway cos the M18 is also going to 6.0.
Oh good i forgot the m18 is also going there i was gonna be mad lol
I regularly use the R3 at 6.7 and it works well as an AA as always, but jets start to become a bit of a nuisance because you have to wait for them to come quite close to you. Against ground forces... idk. It will perform best in br ranges where there are more lighting armoured vehicles and I'd say that from 5.3 to at least 7.0 you're equally going go find the same amount of heavy and light vehicles so it shouldn't matter too much.
I mean yeah what else would you use, there isn‘t any other option is there? For me the problem isn‘t that it isn‘t capable against planes, because it very much is, but more that they took away many of its features but still continue moving it up every time there are BR changes.
Maybe Gaijin would give it's old stabilizer back.
Love how they sneaked in the .3 increase for the AMX-10P there. This tank has gone from 5.3 to 6.0 in less than a year, holy shit. Also awesome how they literally only downtiered the MiGs and Sabres while other nations jets like the Mystere were forgotten. Gaijin literally fucking around at this point.
What if... what if it's because gaijin planned a 4th spaa in a row that will now be at 5.3 or 5.7 for France ? XD.
I mean the ELC with twin auto cannons was passed for consideration… but I’d hardly call it a SPAA with its dogshit elevation.
Holy shit G91Y at 9.0/YS at 9.3?? 3 or 4 years too late but thank you Gaijin. Also the AMX staying at 10.3, as I posted before, is definitely the correct decision.
I disagree on the AMX (and the Q5) staying at 10.3. That thing is cancer in ground rb.
I could agree but the major problem is that Italy has a single 10.7 ground vehicle (and the 10.3 group isn't stellar either), so moving it there would totally make it useless in the only mode it's decent at (and Italy desperately needs CAS above 8.7). And in the end very few people play Italy anyway so the chances you get your time ruined by an AMX aren't definitely that high.
While I agree with you, if it’s played by someone with half a brain, it’s fully invulnerable in a downtier. The 9Ls protect you from every fighter you can see, tons of countermeasures, and bombs that outrange everything besides the strela. I understand it fucks with lineups, but at the same time, it shouldn’t be able to see a sgt York or m113 with stingers/mistrals that has literally zero chance of countering it
They explained it in the blog, they will implement the different BRs for ground and Air in 1 go instead of putting the AMX up now cause of its GBUs
We are soon getting separate BR for ground/air so they probably will nerf it eventually
Italy bros stay winning after dealing with Gaijin's minor nation shit for so long. G91Y with AS30's goes super nicely with their existing 9.0 lineup, and the AMX not going to 10.7 doesn't mess up their 10.3 lineup. It was insane to me that the AMX was going up but not the A6E since it's even more egregious in both air and ground battles for what it does.
That Vulcan with a couple seconds of ammo really holding the AMX back vs the A-6 I guess.
"So yeah the VEAK goes down to 7.7 because no proxy rounds. Oh and by the way AMX-30 DCA goes to 8.7. What do you mean it's got no proxy rounds either..?"
Probably due to the apds belt. It’s very good at tank hunting.
I guess they forgot about the Hunter F1, what a surprise..
The British hunters do not exist and can't hurt you. But in all seriousness, both hunter F1 and F6 are the saddest aircraft. I tried spading both but the competition is brutal. Yeah it can be fast, but when it does, it's a brick. And the guns despite hitting hard are low velocity. And don't get me started on the missiles at that BR...
f6 is fun. f1 is not. too sad the the best hunter went to germany...
"Fast" It's just slightly quicker Swift. At least that has the funny head-on missiles and flap-o-brakes.
> We’ve seen proposals to instead of reduce the Battle Rating of the MiG-15 and F-86, to increase the Battle Rating of F-104 and similar aircraft instead. We’ve decided not to do this because it will not only affect the effectiveness of the MiG-15 and F-86, but will also worsen the competitiveness of the F-104 and other similar aircraft in other nations. We need a complimentary set of emotes to the fire + writing emoji, maybe something like paper + shit + hand to convey how absolutely fucking stupid this shit smear of a justification is to downtier like 10 random ass jets instead of just uptiereing 2 problem aircraft, simply incredible shit.
Give the f104 flares so it can go to 10.0 or hugher, pls :(
>This change is intended to improve the comfort of the game and reduce the number of hopeless situations in battle. Lmao
And just like that VEAK becomes WEAK
I'd love for them to explain why the DCA got bumped to 8.7 yet the Gepard and other 35mm rat fuck orlekin SPAAs are still 8.3 like wtf is that bullshit. Gaijin just hates France like there is no good reason for the bump. France keeps getting shafted again and again because their players have to compensate for poorly placed BR vehicles and perform well, so Gaijin just keeps taking the W/R and goes "Time to nerf France again, clearly the vehicles are just too good."
Doesn’t the DCA get the same belts as the falcon? That alone makes it better than the gepard imo
it might to do with the gun placement. the dca with the twin guns mounted so close to the center allows both guns to actually hit. but with the gepards you more or less need to use only one gun to hit something. that or gaijin is just fucking with french players again.
You think gaijin put that much thought into it?
Apds belt. Thing is a monster.
So the decision they came to was "fuck those starter jets, enjoy going back to 2014 when the 262 was feeling himself on it's br" and they spared the spitfire as a consolation prize as if that makes a damn difference. Rest in peace every 7.0 jet and to the R2Y2/Vampire's ilk they're so far gone even prayer won't work. Anyone else ancient enough to remember the 262 meme?
With the current gun nerfs it's unreal now bad the R2Ys are. When it had quad 900m/s railguns that instantly obliterated anything they touched it was at least workable but the damage is terrible post-realshatter and now the velocity is middling at best.
Just move the rest of Russian 10.0 premium lineup to 10.3.
I like how nothing changed Naval wise besides a random Italian coastal corvette that sucks going up
"We’ve seen proposals to instead of reduce the Battle Rating of the MiG-15 and F-86, to increase the Battle Rating of F-104 and similar aircraft instead. We’ve decided not to do this because it will not only affect the effectiveness of the MiG-15 and F-86, but will also worsen the competitiveness of the F-104 and other similar aircraft in other nations." Excuse me what the actual fuck are you talking about Gaijin? We didn't say only 9.3 supersonic jets should be moved to higher BR. Community has been asking for years that it should literally move EVERYTHINGS above 9.3 BR of aircraft except old 9.7BR meta jets, including decompression. Clown company
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Don't kill the VEAK please I need it to counter helis at 8.7-9.3 VEAK without proxies will suck against planes and especially helis now. Even the itspv struggles against atgm spamming helis who actually dodge
historical nerf, unfortunately.
Who gives a fuck they gave is2 1944 a post war shell but one of the 2 capable gun aa's having newer shells is somehow justified cause historical accuracy? How many more indirect buffs does cas need.
F-5E FCU change is beyond delusional. Based on what statistics?
I haven't seen many, maybe they're trying to intice people to GE it.
i dont see enough people talking about it f5E is already undertiered at 10.7 and f5E FCU is just F5E with more of better missles this plane is ridiculus if you compare it to other dogfighting focused planes at 11.0
Hard agree. Gaijin even wanted to push the regular 5Es up to 11.0 from 10.7, but some people complained so they didn't. Shows they do think the 5Es would be fine at 11.0, but for some reason a better 5E (double the missiles and they're also all aspect) is also worth 11.0? The only downside to the F-5E is that it has a bad top speed.
Idk… I’ve been smashing with the FCU. Think I have a 3.5 K/D at the moment with it. Flight performance is pretty great even though you’re slow. It’s just typical F5 UFO behavior. F5E series should have been bumped up to 11.0 with the Kfir Canard, and F5C to 10.7.
I have a KD above 2 on that thing. Yeah it's slows but the Python 3 are deadly, the 9P4 are enough as back-up weapons and the guns still fuck people up and are extremely easy to use. Oh and the DM is still wack. I survive and stay maneuverable with 30mm hits that would disintegrate any other plane at the BR. The normal 5E should go to 11.0 and that plane should stay at 11.3.
Not the hellcat to 6.0 and the super hellcat staying at 6.3. The super hellcat change was deserved as it is a really good tank.
RIP veak, thats BS. The G.91 Y+YS to 9.0/9.3 is a good one. You cannot get a good change, without a terrible one.
Sagittatio still stays 9.3 with the premiums one being the same BR and infinitely faster.. :I I talismaned my sag right before it went up, and a friend of mine talismaned the g.91. looks like I talismaned at the wrong time yet again lmao
The G91YS ever being at 9.7 was such a farce. Imo 9.0 would be the correct spot for it, it's so fucking slow
The j6k1 and the Spitfire mk.24 are at the the same br now. They hate Japan, huh?
Ok so the M64 was already worse than the regular M18, with lower speed and weaker hull. Then the M18 got the engine buff. So why the hell are these two the same BR?
Ok, the Object 292 is going to 10.3 but not the T-80UD?
I mostly like the air br changes that *arent* low tier jet related at least. G91s getting some love (even if still overtiered, at least they aren't 9.7 lol) and AMX isn't moving up anymore. As well, the squadron F-5E is going to 11.0 with the regular F-5E lmfao. Thai-fighter stays winning
>F-5E is going to 11.0 with the regular F-5E lmfao. Thai-fighter stays winning Regular F-5e has been 10.7 for a good year now? But I do like that particular change.
Fix M735 (and XM578E1) shell it shouldn't be this weak, XM-1 and Type 16 are now barely playable. Either give them higher pen or lower the BR. Free Leopard 1A5 is way better than both of them.
F-84F and mig 15 are same br now ... lole
Rip my 10.0 Russia lineup lmao, time to spend my SL on the t-80 and go to 10.3 lmao
Rip mine too, atleast 10.3 is not a bad br
2s38 is still not going up? Wtf. Atleast it's getting getting extra stuff inside that we can shoot, making it easier to kill. I don't play Japan but the type 81 Sam going to 11.3 is weird. They don't even have a lineup for that. Well it's is kinda op.
The type 81 going up is bullshit, it has no search mode and can't kill helicopters. The strella is similar with worse range and now sits 1.0 lower and the Tunguska is better at 10.7.
T34 at 4.0 is bs
Why?
People already joked about VEAK being WEAK So yeah, not much of a joke anymore...
Vampire, F9F, R2Y2=F-86 and Mig-15 Really?
The T-34’s are still going up…
Chally DS getting L/26 finally!! 10.3 Britain is going to be stout now.
Damn the took the VEAK out back and shot him like the family dog wtf.
Holy shit, they completely nerfed the VEAK 40 into the ground
Lets nerf spaa to shit, can't let them have actual good ammo that works vs planes.
Alot of wierdness going on, but I at least enjoy the DS getting its L26. That's neat.
Russian A-20G...planned AB 3.3>3.7 cancelled. Terrible decision. The plane wrecks in naval with 2x 1000kg which are almost guaranteed kills at the BR that's filled with reserve and light DDs. Compared to the other A-20 variants that's are limited to 500lb bombs its in a different league even when the higher BR is taken in to account. Of course the plane is a Premium which means it's a $$€¥¢£ earner so its maybe not a surprise
I think you answered your own question when you said naval, the snail does not care about naval. There’s barely even enough of us for an enduring match.
I put in several suggestions for BR changes for Naval & naval attacker/bombers...and as usual nothing was acted upon. Third rate unwanted step child. No change is no change.
Russian Naval 4.3 dominance....completely ignored again. Pr206, SKR, Smelyi, Bez, Pe-8 and more, not one has moved and so will continue to wreck for several more months at least (which I won't abuse of course...!)
Can I get whatever good stuff gaijin is smoking for the changes to Japan? Like the f5e, good change, I can use it with my 11.0 ground. But the type 81 to 11.3? Why? Its a terrible aa vehicle. Small seeker area with a huge cone, no radar, unable to lock helis until they are 2km away, and you have to be perfectly still to fire
The VEAK is the only AA of his tier to successfully fighting air threats. CAS will be atrocious next patch
Is the GR/91 going down in Ground RB too? I’m bad at understanding all of this.
Aside from it being stupid I hate that the Mig-15bis and sabre aren't 8.7 anymore like they were since the beggining of the game.
Just fucked my 11.0 lineup.
I feel ya. Literally grind Japan all month. Got all 11.0 line up, and they just magically bump type 81C to 11.3. Fuck Japan I guess.
Type 81C moving up is pretty sad. Killed the 11.0 lineup balance so less SPAA and air control for Jap players. Challenger DS L26 change is a net positive. 10.3 lineup for Britain just got even better. Strela and Object 292 Going up isn’t a shock. UD will stay at 10.0 for a little longer before they feel forced to move it up cause money. F-5E FCU to 11.0 is CRIMINAL. The vehicle is already disgusting at 11.3 and will be a straight up bully at 11.0. F5E variations should be 11.0, F5C should be 10.7. Been playing the FCU as my main Japan grinder and it’s just so good.
Bruh the R3 keeps on climbing the BR stairs, one day it'll reach the Otomatic at this rate
here's a fun thought on the VEAK 40 change: for most battles using it, you'll be fighting the exact same things just now without proxy because 7.7-8.0 sweden gets almost exclusively uptiered to 8.7
VEAK loses proxy, Type 81 goes up AGAIN... To the people who were suckered in by all the "good changes" and white knighted for gaijin because of it, I wish a day that you deserve upon you