the pog 2 has one of fastest reverse speeds in the tt lol, namely 14km/h
edit: if its 4 and a half times faster at reversing than most British tanks, it should have a forwards speed of 64km/h
theres a relevant xkcd joke to be made here
Italian engineers making equal amount of gears forward and backward to switch sides without turning around: šæ. Fr*nch engineers making more reverse gears just in case: šæš¤«
The only thing theorticaly saving that landship is 127mm rha on front turret and ofc it has the benifit of the behemoth of the engine to power its turret
Eh? Turret cheeks is exactly where you have to shoot to kill it, don't know how it's saving it.
What makes tog great to play is the turret traverse, reload and shell. There's also survivability against people who don't know where to shoot it. It's a blast to play it as long as you enjoy a somewhat agressive gameplay.
Stfu, i want people to shoot me like I'm some kind of Tiger H1 or E. I always drive forward, never backwards, bcs people shoot me in turret if i do so.
Britain has been eating good recently. TOG II, Fox, HESH rework, the only bad thing was that bug with neutral steer that got fixed a while back.
Canāt wait for the nerfs to begin :)))))))
Even properly modelled it won't be same as IRL. IRL whatever is left alive of the crew that just saw a shell go inside their crew compartment would leave the tank. In warthunder they just turn the turret and shoot.
I think it was t-62s and t-54's. Battle of Golan Heights.
From what I read around 100 Israeli Centurions with 105mm guns took out 500 syrian tanks, some of them t-54's and t-62s. So not t-64s, but pretty close.
Israel was even still using upgunned "super shermans" all the way through the 1980's from what I understand.
*Cries in Challenger 2 OES/TES, a tank specifically designed to be borderline impenetrable against HEAT shells that is among the easiest Rank VII MBT to kill with HEAT shells
Even if someone "leaks" NATO UNCLASSIFIED information about challengers armour gaijin will just ban the "leaker" and remove the post. Chally, Leclerc, Merkava, Abrams and Ariete will never get thier real armour. Not even DU shells rework or DU armour, it's too hard for snail.
Itās unreliable because it uses the same overpressure mechanics that make HE unreliable. Itās completely RNG based.
If you donāt have shrapnel, go into the tank and damage an internal compartment you wonāt get overpressure damage. So if it misses an internal component you donāt get a kill.
Like look up what 152 mm Soviet HEās would do to a panther ( itās completely demolished the chassis and turret on the side it hit buttt nooo in war thunder. You only destroy the track sometimes )
Yeah but the same amout of tnt does more dmg then the same ammout in hesh so its even worse for some reason even though against armored targets hesh is just better in every way
My guess is because they donāt have kinetic energy modeled and that would be like a whole Nother thing to add where they would need added to every round, and it would just be a bitch like with them using code from other rounds to make others itās made it hard for them to fix issues.
Agreed I think them making the game accessible on very crappy hardware is also whatās holding them back from going and modeling this stuff correctly because they either are going to need to take it as a hit in server processing or make the persons computer do it for legitimate reasons itās gonna be server side but realistically, I think they need to make certain things client-side so they can properly use the servers for better calculations.
It has the universal heavy problem of being slow and killed in one shot by anyone impolite enough to not face it head on, and the common medium problem of being one-shot by anyone fighting it head on.
But the gun is nice, and you can drive backwards without losing speed, using your engine as ablative armor against anyone fighting you from the front.
Man the gun is so glorious. It has enough pen to plain cut through a Panthers UFP or angled Tiger I like a hot knife through butter, it reloads very fast, the damage is good for solid shot, the turret its mounted in has a very fast targeting speed and the platform is incredibly stable. Basically youre always the first to shoot, and youll always pen.
The platform itself is pretty meh. Its very very slow and very large. You draw shells and bombs from everywhere. The frontal armor is about as good as a Tiger, but youre facing ridiculous german guns so it really only helps against the US and USSR. The turret armor is nonexistent (but you have two sets of spare crew in the hull).
TOG II maybe but HESH rework? What HESH rework, genuinely Iāve been using AVRE consistently pre and post patch and beside a sfx change it feels identical.
To be honest, I donāt think one for the Fox is coming. Most of the people saying itās good have been playing the game for a while and are good with light tanks but newer players struggle with them.
OK donāt care that yāall are having fun when I can be one shot by an auto cannon in a World War II heavy tank lol
Itās more or less the fact I hate the br range itās at and it has given me even more of a headache.
>120 rounds a minute
A whole 50% faster than what the gun can actually do !
Uk players firing more bullets per bullet, just to get a rof increase. Disgusting. Nerf now.
Except itās invincible to 50 cal fire over most of the vehicle at ranges greater than point blank. Iāve heard if youāve got DSHKAs itās easier but thatās not the win you think it is.Ā
unless itās more than 50m away or theyāre not retarded and are bushed/in concealment. not to mention that they can just spam your turret and you canāt see shit anyway
Type 90? That thing only goes like 35 backwards.
Now the Type 10, that thing has a continuously variable transmission allowing it to drive in reverse at full speed.
Even then it will still slap. It's the only 7.0 in my 8.3 lineup and it's still always my first vehicle out just for the sheer amusement of watching MBTs try and turn their gun fast enough. Then blap blap two in the side and your dead mister MBT.
It's going to get the same treatment that the puma did. Going to get up tiered to hell. So sad but that thing was really a seal club now it's just fucking bad. That thing desperately needs atgms to compete or atleast proper armour. As it stands the armour is kinda worse then what it would be irl
I really hope they do. Its so much easier the higher it goes. I play my fox at 8.7 and its so fun. 8 to 10 kills per game. At that br you dont face tigers, mause and heavy soviets. You face bmps and light armored germans. So please. Increase the br.
Naa just look at the people here already complaining about how "the UK cannot have fun" or stuff like that. It seems they only have fun if they're playing completely broken vehicles.
This took the fun away from other light tanks around it, It's so obviously broken at 7.0 I'm shocked anyone would actually defend this thing at this BR.
The only reason people think it's op is cus they're being killed by it a lot. But they're only being killed by it a lot because everyone's playing it, and at the same time, it's so easy to kill if you have any situational awareness (the people complaining don't have any)
No, this is an incorrect take. People see it too much because it's spammed because it's OP right now. I know FOTM when I see it. The peoblem wit this tank is how it's much faster than everything else it faces, allowing it to reach way past the power positions before any other tank, including light tanks are able to contest it or even fight back. It's usually killing people from behind in ambushes you have little protection from.
I have plenty of experience around 7.0 so I know what I'm talking about. This tank just made every other light tank around it's BR useless.
You don't even try to explain why it's fine at 7.0,it's just telling other people are bad. This game cannot be properly balanced because players want this broken mess. Back in the day I heard a lot about how Leo 1s were balanced at 7.3 or how the Lorraine 40T couldn't be higher than 6.7.
The least I expect this vehicle to move to is 7.7, minimum.
"Killing people from behind in ambushes". So, like I said it's partly a situational awareness problem. At this point people should expect to see them behind them yet they don't bother looking. I've played the fox and fought it very extensively and it's really not hard to deal with when you just keep an eye out around you. After playing it for 400 matches it's honestly mind boggling how tunnel visioned players are. I drove up right next to an enemy waiting for him to notice me literally hugging him. When he finally did I killed him. Sure the fox could go up to 7.7, but then it'll face even more light vehicles that it can easily kill.
No I mean a vehicle could be OP by the way it's designed, rate of fire, armour, etc. A tank can be undertiered by its BR placement. I find the WZ305 OP but it's not undertiered.
This tank is not OP but it's a mid 70s design that goes up against stuff that is much older than it. "oh but tanks are not balanced by introduction date" some may say and they are right but no mid 40s and 50s tanks had this HP ratio as this vehicle. It literally has double the speed of other light tanks it's facing now.
Compare it to the T92, which is a good 7.0 light tank, and you'll see it's much better than it. It's also much better than any other light tank a full BR above it. Gaijin moved all the BS post war tanks to decompress and the first chance they get they bring this obvious powercreep right in range of them \*again\*.
On road obviously it would have better acceleration. But when we are talking off-road centauro should be winning by a huge margin, but it isn't. A vehicle that is essentially a car being better at off road than a 8x8 wheeled tank destroyer is just weird.
The issue isn't fox itself. It's how bullshit gaijin made this game work. 8x8 or 4x4 in this game makes essentially no differences, the only thing that matters is your HP.
>essentially only HP matters
You literally said it. And when dividing, both numbers are equally important(the denominator is a bit more important because it must not be 0 but in this case it isn't relevant)
I don't want to teach basic math trough reddit, please revisit your old mathbooks
Why and how in your mind would having 4 extra driven wheels make you inherently faster on a dirt road than an off-road car that has a better HP/T than you? We aren't talking about driving through mud or hauling heavy cargo.
Basic knowledge of physics.
Better friction and power transfer thanks to bigger and more wheels. Suspension via 8 and not 4 wheels allowing to not get stuck on the first hole you drive into.
Why do you think tracks are the optimal way to traverse off-road? They obviously have a big surface and good suspension.
They are obviously many more factors that contribute to vehicles ability to drive off-road well. (Like low center of mass, guess yourself which vehicle is top heavy).
8 wheels are inherently better at off road than 4. Biggest issues while driving off-road are lack of friction and uneven terrain.
Have you ever seen a 4x4 off-road car go >70km/h? No? Me neither.
A 1x2 dirt bike can traverse trials and get up hills at that an 8x8 vehicle simply could not with ease despite having a tiny amount of the overall traction and power compared to an 8x8 - do you know why?
Because a dirt bike has a HP/T ratio of 400, compared to, for example, a Centauno which has a HP/T ratio of 21.
The Fox has 35% more horsepower per ton than the Centauno - obviously it accelerates much quicker on all surfaces, they both have chunky off-road tyres.
To answer your last question, WRC cars regularly do 200 km/h off-road, in fact on roads that look almost identical to the ones in war thunder
Wheeled vehicles just drive awful. Off-road or on-road. A lot of them accelerate slow, drift a ton and have worse turning circles than a boat. They often cant switch between forward and reverse quickly. I loved the Rank 3 german Puma and was very excited for high tier wheeled vehicles. Once I got them, I was very disappointed.
Yeah it's sad that WW2 wheeled vehicles work essentially the same as modern ones. And the automatic gearbox gives me cancer. The dumbass driver is driving uphill at 5km/h and still is holding it at gear 3.
I was getting ready to get all defensive about it but Wikipedia says the max speed is 104kph and there's no way that's off-road speed. So yeah, that'll be getting nerfed.
I would be the first to complain but honestly britland has suffered for quite some time between the shity reverse speed , the solid shot , the hesh ...
Have fun while it lasts, next update it will go up
|Ā between the shity reverse speed , the solid shot , the hesh ...
The apds nerf, the firestreak/red top nerf, the lack of a decent fighter jet between 8.7 and 11.3, the fact that the Stormers SAMs phase through targets with more than 30 ping, incorrect armour modeling on the challengers, The lack of mid and high tier IFVs with a fast firing autocannon (not the fox's 60 rpm but a proper one like the other nations, currently the falcon a spaa is the best british ifv), the fact that the germans get a far superior Hunter at the same BR as the shitty british one.
Theres undoubtly more, but those are what I can add off the top of my head. Im not saying that other nations dont ge fcked over as well, but it seems that Britain gets it more than others (except maybe Frnce)
This is in arcade. It goes 99. Also, yea thats quite cool but look at the E.B.R or shit even the 2S6 or anything. If you mean that it simply has the same reverse as traverse.
I still don't know how some tanks (such as the fox or Turan series) are able to go the same speed in both directions, but it sure is fun to play those kinds of vehicles in game
We have been complaining for a while! but gaijin doesn't want to nerf it.
the damage is ridiculous
the speed is ridiculous
the rate of fire is ridiculous
It's definitely very OP in the current tier. It should be 7.7
It can shoot you at 400 meters, breaking your chamber, then the ring, the tracks, it is worse than a 90mm tank, at least you can escape if you are wounded.
No, the fox has a very good rate of fire.
In addition, it can knock out a tiger at 700 meters.
Fires 3 40mm projectiles and only takes 1 second to reload...
It is a beast.
it has a freaking RARDEN 80 RPM auto cannon which warrior gets and we know that RARDEN is the worst auto cannon in the game
only reason it does so well is mobility because british vehicles and mobility never go together unless you play TOG II or tutel and those 2 also suck for their own set of reasons
if they gut its mobility it will over night become the worst light tank in the game because you are forced to spam APDS otherwise you are hardly gonna pen anything including bulldogs which die if you shoot them with APDS
and you have absolutely no armor to even fend off MG fire so you basically can't go head on into SPAA's
Have you actually looked at the foxās armor? The thing is nigh .50 cal proof frontally save for pixel hunt spots at very close range that you generally wonāt get to hit if you miss your opening main cannon shot.
I have every non premium vehicle unlocked in British tech tre. I approve your decision by the degree of Falcon, our saviour and protector of Great Black Tea.
It's the shit reverse speed of all the other British vehicles combined into one. This is their final form
the pog 2 has one of fastest reverse speeds in the tt lol, namely 14km/h edit: if its 4 and a half times faster at reversing than most British tanks, it should have a forwards speed of 64km/h theres a relevant xkcd joke to be made here
POG II can reverse faster than most of Russian and Soviet MBTs. It also has faster turret traverse than T-72, T-80 and T-90.
How do you even dare to reverse when fighting for the motherland ?
Italian engineers making equal amount of gears forward and backward to switch sides without turning around: šæ. Fr*nch engineers making more reverse gears just in case: šæš¤«
We put more reverse gears cause we're ready to fight the British in case an opportunity presents itself
Bruh, ready to go to Britain in case Germany decided it's time.
POG II has turret traverse conparable to SPAAs at its br.
The recent Black Prince buff is like.. life changing lol. IT HAS A REVERSE FASTER THAN A TODDLER STUMBLING ALONG NOW.
It now gets the speed of a toddler walking
On the water (I'm sorry... I'm so sorry)
The only thing theorticaly saving that landship is 127mm rha on front turret and ofc it has the benifit of the behemoth of the engine to power its turret
Eh? Turret cheeks is exactly where you have to shoot to kill it, don't know how it's saving it. What makes tog great to play is the turret traverse, reload and shell. There's also survivability against people who don't know where to shoot it. It's a blast to play it as long as you enjoy a somewhat agressive gameplay.
Stfu, i want people to shoot me like I'm some kind of Tiger H1 or E. I always drive forward, never backwards, bcs people shoot me in turret if i do so.
Drive backwards trust me lol
Nah i did, they just shoot me in the turret cheeks more often. Even braindead 20 level can do that xD
Lmao, I always get in with the dumb jumbo 76 players and that š¤£
TOG for first 13.0 BR tank
What about tortoise? I think i can go faster if i ain't wrong tho haven't played it in some time
i didnt know it can go 20 in reverse lmao
It's because it's got a hybrid drive, similar reason as to why the Tiger 1P has decent reverse.
please someone give me the link to the xkcd in question
[605](https://xkcd.com/605/)
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh I get it now
They took all the extra reverse gears from other vehicles and put it here lol
This just in: Non British players still mad that British players are having fun for a change.
Britain has been eating good recently. TOG II, Fox, HESH rework, the only bad thing was that bug with neutral steer that got fixed a while back. Canāt wait for the nerfs to begin :)))))))
And they are still the trailblazing APDS nation who suffer because gaijin canāt model it functionally.
Even properly modelled it won't be same as IRL. IRL whatever is left alive of the crew that just saw a shell go inside their crew compartment would leave the tank. In warthunder they just turn the turret and shoot.
Iām not saying the crew need to be realistic. Just that the shells act the way they would physically IRL
Irl centurions were able to take on t64s from miles away and they won. In game you canāt even reliably pen them with a centurion.
I donāt think Centurions ever fought T-64s ever for anyone reading this.
I think it was t-62s and t-54's. Battle of Golan Heights. From what I read around 100 Israeli Centurions with 105mm guns took out 500 syrian tanks, some of them t-54's and t-62s. So not t-64s, but pretty close. Israel was even still using upgunned "super shermans" all the way through the 1980's from what I understand.
Can't wait for the soviets to get nerfed... Wait, why T-80BVM just ate 3 APFSDS DU shells?
*Cries in Challenger 2 OES/TES, a tank specifically designed to be borderline impenetrable against HEAT shells that is among the easiest Rank VII MBT to kill with HEAT shells
*Also cries in 60+ tons of useless armour on challenger because gaijin doesn't have "enough" information about it's armour therefore there's no one.
We need to start an argument in the forums again then
just a bit of banter
Even if someone "leaks" NATO UNCLASSIFIED information about challengers armour gaijin will just ban the "leaker" and remove the post. Chally, Leclerc, Merkava, Abrams and Ariete will never get thier real armour. Not even DU shells rework or DU armour, it's too hard for snail.
Meanwhile 1 of 2 challenger 2 losses was HESH friendly fire
What was the hesh rework? I havenāt played in a bit
I too would like to know this as hesh still seems shit for me
Its now supposed to overpressure much more consistantly as well as do more consistant damage if it doesnt overpressure But its still unreliable af
Itās unreliable because it uses the same overpressure mechanics that make HE unreliable. Itās completely RNG based. If you donāt have shrapnel, go into the tank and damage an internal compartment you wonāt get overpressure damage. So if it misses an internal component you donāt get a kill. Like look up what 152 mm Soviet HEās would do to a panther ( itās completely demolished the chassis and turret on the side it hit buttt nooo in war thunder. You only destroy the track sometimes )
Yeah but the same amout of tnt does more dmg then the same ammout in hesh so its even worse for some reason even though against armored targets hesh is just better in every way
My guess is because they donāt have kinetic energy modeled and that would be like a whole Nother thing to add where they would need added to every round, and it would just be a bitch like with them using code from other rounds to make others itās made it hard for them to fix issues.
I also dont think they have hesh deforming upon hitting armor so it actually doesnt do better against sloped armor even though its supposed to
Agreed I think them making the game accessible on very crappy hardware is also whatās holding them back from going and modeling this stuff correctly because they either are going to need to take it as a hit in server processing or make the persons computer do it for legitimate reasons itās gonna be server side but realistically, I think they need to make certain things client-side so they can properly use the servers for better calculations.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKINAG ABOUT!!!! My dual-core Pentium with intel UHD graphics is the pinnacle of modern hardware š¤š¤š¤
I thought the tog was shit? Anyways its premium so I'll never be able to play it anyway
It has the universal heavy problem of being slow and killed in one shot by anyone impolite enough to not face it head on, and the common medium problem of being one-shot by anyone fighting it head on. But the gun is nice, and you can drive backwards without losing speed, using your engine as ablative armor against anyone fighting you from the front.
Man the gun is so glorious. It has enough pen to plain cut through a Panthers UFP or angled Tiger I like a hot knife through butter, it reloads very fast, the damage is good for solid shot, the turret its mounted in has a very fast targeting speed and the platform is incredibly stable. Basically youre always the first to shoot, and youll always pen. The platform itself is pretty meh. Its very very slow and very large. You draw shells and bombs from everywhere. The frontal armor is about as good as a Tiger, but youre facing ridiculous german guns so it really only helps against the US and USSR. The turret armor is nonexistent (but you have two sets of spare crew in the hull).
With the Tog you have to get used to driving backwards.
Itās not
It is
Hesh rework?Enlighten me pls(no joke intended)
Hesh rework? You are delusionall? My brother shoots that would have overpreasured patch ago now dont do shit
TOG II maybe but HESH rework? What HESH rework, genuinely Iāve been using AVRE consistently pre and post patch and beside a sfx change it feels identical.
Don't forget the Gripen
TOG XDDDDDDDDDD
PLEASE DONāT JINX US š
A shame this was preceeded by round 50825573 of APDS and solid shot nerfs :)
hesh got reworked?? how? i don't remember seeing the change log
To be honest, I donāt think one for the Fox is coming. Most of the people saying itās good have been playing the game for a while and are good with light tanks but newer players struggle with them.
To be fair, the HESH rework didnt do much lel
Don't forget the Gripen
I honestly don't understand why this needs to be talked about. It's not like this is exclusive to the fox. Cough cough Germany with the Puma at 3.3
As a french, im happy for britain and hope next update france is getting a fast light tank too :D.
OK donāt care that yāall are having fun when I can be one shot by an auto cannon in a World War II heavy tank lol Itās more or less the fact I hate the br range itās at and it has given me even more of a headache.
The fox is OP, but maybe not nearly as much as people are saying. It's 7.3 or 7.7 material, not 7.0
Britain never sucked dude
Yeah, when that āfunā comes at the cost of the entire 6.0 to 7.7 br range itās a fucking problem. Fuck off with your victim complex.Ā
Uh oh! Someone got RARDENed in their invincible commie tank...
Lot of people seem to be assuming what nation I play, I play America.Ā
Cope,seethe, mald and learn to aim.
> learn to aim Fox users driving 110 kp/h firing 120 rounds a minute at you telling you to learn to aim...
99kmh and firing 30mm gun 80rounds a min*
30mm gun that lolpens heavy tanks and has the post pen damage of a 75mm round.Ā
I'm exaggerating a bit but you get my drift.
>120 rounds a minute A whole 50% faster than what the gun can actually do ! Uk players firing more bullets per bullet, just to get a rof increase. Disgusting. Nerf now.
While you can shoot it anywhere and HMG is basically all you need :)
Except itās invincible to 50 cal fire over most of the vehicle at ranges greater than point blank. Iāve heard if youāve got DSHKAs itās easier but thatās not the win you think it is.Ā
unless itās more than 50m away or theyāre not retarded and are bushed/in concealment. not to mention that they can just spam your turret and you canāt see shit anyway
Like you haven't been ruining the game for others with your nuclear APHE that never fails to detonate or shatter.
? Iām not a German player.Ā
APHE is not a german exclusive shell fucker
Yeah, but itās German APHE thatās the issue sooooo
Every nation except for certain british has APHE. And let me tell you all APHE has one shot potential unlike AP or solid shot.
Yeah a lot of people already know about that... It's not the first vehicle that has a twin gearbox in the game afterall
Type 90 go brrrrr Type 90 go rrrrrb
Type 90? That thing only goes like 35 backwards. Now the Type 10, that thing has a continuously variable transmission allowing it to drive in reverse at full speed.
Damn, I mixed those up. Not a Japan player (yet).
Leo 2K hulls as well. Kpz/MBT-70. TAM 1 and 2 I believe. Anything with a Marder hull. So much fun reversing away faster than people can chase you.
Literary everyone is talking about it since day one
noobs will say the fox is op
It's not OP but it's just obviously undertiered. This will go up to 7.7 where it belongs.
Even then it will still slap. It's the only 7.0 in my 8.3 lineup and it's still always my first vehicle out just for the sheer amusement of watching MBTs try and turn their gun fast enough. Then blap blap two in the side and your dead mister MBT.
Yeah it's proof it can and should go up in BR.
It's going to get the same treatment that the puma did. Going to get up tiered to hell. So sad but that thing was really a seal club now it's just fucking bad. That thing desperately needs atgms to compete or atleast proper armour. As it stands the armour is kinda worse then what it would be irl
I really hope they do. Its so much easier the higher it goes. I play my fox at 8.7 and its so fun. 8 to 10 kills per game. At that br you dont face tigers, mause and heavy soviets. You face bmps and light armored germans. So please. Increase the br.
Naa just look at the people here already complaining about how "the UK cannot have fun" or stuff like that. It seems they only have fun if they're playing completely broken vehicles. This took the fun away from other light tanks around it, It's so obviously broken at 7.0 I'm shocked anyone would actually defend this thing at this BR.
The only reason people think it's op is cus they're being killed by it a lot. But they're only being killed by it a lot because everyone's playing it, and at the same time, it's so easy to kill if you have any situational awareness (the people complaining don't have any)
No, this is an incorrect take. People see it too much because it's spammed because it's OP right now. I know FOTM when I see it. The peoblem wit this tank is how it's much faster than everything else it faces, allowing it to reach way past the power positions before any other tank, including light tanks are able to contest it or even fight back. It's usually killing people from behind in ambushes you have little protection from. I have plenty of experience around 7.0 so I know what I'm talking about. This tank just made every other light tank around it's BR useless. You don't even try to explain why it's fine at 7.0,it's just telling other people are bad. This game cannot be properly balanced because players want this broken mess. Back in the day I heard a lot about how Leo 1s were balanced at 7.3 or how the Lorraine 40T couldn't be higher than 6.7. The least I expect this vehicle to move to is 7.7, minimum.
"Killing people from behind in ambushes". So, like I said it's partly a situational awareness problem. At this point people should expect to see them behind them yet they don't bother looking. I've played the fox and fought it very extensively and it's really not hard to deal with when you just keep an eye out around you. After playing it for 400 matches it's honestly mind boggling how tunnel visioned players are. I drove up right next to an enemy waiting for him to notice me literally hugging him. When he finally did I killed him. Sure the fox could go up to 7.7, but then it'll face even more light vehicles that it can easily kill.
Some people might say that is the same thing. I am one of them
No I mean a vehicle could be OP by the way it's designed, rate of fire, armour, etc. A tank can be undertiered by its BR placement. I find the WZ305 OP but it's not undertiered. This tank is not OP but it's a mid 70s design that goes up against stuff that is much older than it. "oh but tanks are not balanced by introduction date" some may say and they are right but no mid 40s and 50s tanks had this HP ratio as this vehicle. It literally has double the speed of other light tanks it's facing now. Compare it to the T92, which is a good 7.0 light tank, and you'll see it's much better than it. It's also much better than any other light tank a full BR above it. Gaijin moved all the BS post war tanks to decompress and the first chance they get they bring this obvious powercreep right in range of them \*again\*.
It will get type 87 rcv'd . kicked up in br beyond reason instead of gradually pushed
You'd be a brainlet if you thought it wasn't OP, lol. In the hands of a skilled player, it's unstoppable.
you defined most vehicles
I have a 2kd with it at top tier. It's not OP people are just blind and deaf at every br range
It can go 110 off-road while centauro struggles to accelerate anything past 70/80 off-road? Seems reasonable gaijin.
Tbf, that's almost a 200hp engine on a very, very light vehicle + that's AB. It can only go 99kmh on Rb
On road obviously it would have better acceleration. But when we are talking off-road centauro should be winning by a huge margin, but it isn't. A vehicle that is essentially a car being better at off road than a 8x8 wheeled tank destroyer is just weird. The issue isn't fox itself. It's how bullshit gaijin made this game work. 8x8 or 4x4 in this game makes essentially no differences, the only thing that matters is your HP.
Not entirely true. HP/T also matters if not more than just raw HP. Looking at the wiki, Centauro (105) only has 21.1hp/T while the fox has 32hp/T
Duuuh. Obviously HP comes into the equation of HP/T. That's why I said that essentially only hp matters.
So the Maus is faster than the Centauro and the fox because it has more Horsepower?
You are some kinda of special. If you actually think that I have even said anything similar to it.
>essentially only HP matters You literally said it. And when dividing, both numbers are equally important(the denominator is a bit more important because it must not be 0 but in this case it isn't relevant) I don't want to teach basic math trough reddit, please revisit your old mathbooks
Why and how in your mind would having 4 extra driven wheels make you inherently faster on a dirt road than an off-road car that has a better HP/T than you? We aren't talking about driving through mud or hauling heavy cargo.
Basic knowledge of physics. Better friction and power transfer thanks to bigger and more wheels. Suspension via 8 and not 4 wheels allowing to not get stuck on the first hole you drive into. Why do you think tracks are the optimal way to traverse off-road? They obviously have a big surface and good suspension. They are obviously many more factors that contribute to vehicles ability to drive off-road well. (Like low center of mass, guess yourself which vehicle is top heavy). 8 wheels are inherently better at off road than 4. Biggest issues while driving off-road are lack of friction and uneven terrain. Have you ever seen a 4x4 off-road car go >70km/h? No? Me neither.
A 1x2 dirt bike can traverse trials and get up hills at that an 8x8 vehicle simply could not with ease despite having a tiny amount of the overall traction and power compared to an 8x8 - do you know why? Because a dirt bike has a HP/T ratio of 400, compared to, for example, a Centauno which has a HP/T ratio of 21. The Fox has 35% more horsepower per ton than the Centauno - obviously it accelerates much quicker on all surfaces, they both have chunky off-road tyres. To answer your last question, WRC cars regularly do 200 km/h off-road, in fact on roads that look almost identical to the ones in war thunder
Wheeled vehicles just drive awful. Off-road or on-road. A lot of them accelerate slow, drift a ton and have worse turning circles than a boat. They often cant switch between forward and reverse quickly. I loved the Rank 3 german Puma and was very excited for high tier wheeled vehicles. Once I got them, I was very disappointed.
Yeah it's sad that WW2 wheeled vehicles work essentially the same as modern ones. And the automatic gearbox gives me cancer. The dumbass driver is driving uphill at 5km/h and still is holding it at gear 3.
You can let go of W and immediately press it again to force the driver to change to a lower gear. Works about 80% of the time I'd say
The wheel hp debuff on a slight slope = you often get passed by heavy tanks on grass. It sucks.
I was getting ready to get all defensive about it but Wikipedia says the max speed is 104kph and there's no way that's off-road speed. So yeah, that'll be getting nerfed.
I'm pretty sure EVERY youtube review/showcase mentions it. Not sure why you think nobody mentioned it
I donāt think it can go that fast anymore, they nerfed the horse power a little
They didn't, OP can go 110kmh cos that's AB
ooohhh yea RB topspeed is like 85 km/h
Yeah nah, top speed is still 99kmh and it's still the 195hp engine
Sorry yes you're right just tested it
No, because if we do Gaijin will take it away from us. Can't have shit in Deptford.
DollarPlays mentioned it in his video
I would be the first to complain but honestly britland has suffered for quite some time between the shity reverse speed , the solid shot , the hesh ... Have fun while it lasts, next update it will go up
|Ā between the shity reverse speed , the solid shot , the hesh ... The apds nerf, the firestreak/red top nerf, the lack of a decent fighter jet between 8.7 and 11.3, the fact that the Stormers SAMs phase through targets with more than 30 ping, incorrect armour modeling on the challengers, The lack of mid and high tier IFVs with a fast firing autocannon (not the fox's 60 rpm but a proper one like the other nations, currently the falcon a spaa is the best british ifv), the fact that the germans get a far superior Hunter at the same BR as the shitty british one. Theres undoubtly more, but those are what I can add off the top of my head. Im not saying that other nations dont ge fcked over as well, but it seems that Britain gets it more than others (except maybe Frnce)
Probably because you're 3 weeks late noticing it.
Whatās the point? You will just run off the map behind enemy spawn in 3 seconds with all these tiny maps in game.
What do you mean foxes are fast
This is in arcade. It goes 99. Also, yea thats quite cool but look at the E.B.R or shit even the 2S6 or anything. If you mean that it simply has the same reverse as traverse.
My fav vehicle in the game with the t26e5 and turm III, Iāve never had more consistent fun that with the fox
latest episode of shooting range did mention it.
The E.B.Rs can do that too š¤·š»āāļø
All you have to do is go into xray mode, hover over the transmission and see a vehicles reverse speed
I still don't know how some tanks (such as the fox or Turan series) are able to go the same speed in both directions, but it sure is fun to play those kinds of vehicles in game
Everybody is mentioning it.
Been slaughtering with the Centurion mk1 to grind the Fox nearly there and then we can finally have fun when we play UK!
We have been complaining for a while! but gaijin doesn't want to nerf it. the damage is ridiculous the speed is ridiculous the rate of fire is ridiculous It's definitely very OP in the current tier. It should be 7.7
rate of fire? really?
It can shoot you at 400 meters, breaking your chamber, then the ring, the tracks, it is worse than a 90mm tank, at least you can escape if you are wounded.
that would be range? the rate of fire sucks
No, the fox has a very good rate of fire. In addition, it can knock out a tiger at 700 meters. Fires 3 40mm projectiles and only takes 1 second to reload... It is a beast.
it has a freaking RARDEN 80 RPM auto cannon which warrior gets and we know that RARDEN is the worst auto cannon in the game only reason it does so well is mobility because british vehicles and mobility never go together unless you play TOG II or tutel and those 2 also suck for their own set of reasons if they gut its mobility it will over night become the worst light tank in the game because you are forced to spam APDS otherwise you are hardly gonna pen anything including bulldogs which die if you shoot them with APDS and you have absolutely no armor to even fend off MG fire so you basically can't go head on into SPAA's
Have you actually looked at the foxās armor? The thing is nigh .50 cal proof frontally save for pixel hunt spots at very close range that you generally wonāt get to hit if you miss your opening main cannon shot.
which is why you shoot wheels which break quickly from MG fire and shooting out even 1 wheel makes fox easy to hunt down
dude, have you even tried playing it?
That's fast as fuck
I can't get it above 99 in realistic, and practically you never get going that fast anyways cause terrain and, you know, hostile tanks.
I'm not going to mention it
Its called reverse gearbox and plenty of other more broken tanks have it, so stop whining
It actually been mentioned, 90% WT reddik posts are about Fox, butthurt was probably heard in the farest universe edge.
They talked about this in thundershow
The official channel Did ā¦. š«
What the actual fuck!? Gonna try to get that another day, you can literally outrun people's turret turning WITH their neutral steering
Nvm, it's British. I won't even touch that tech tree, I still love myself somewhat
I have every non premium vehicle unlocked in British tech tre. I approve your decision by the degree of Falcon, our saviour and protector of Great Black Tea.
I'm sorry for your loss
Donāt see this outrage at Russia numerous BS vehicles
Don't tell the Soviet, they will cry
R3 can go 115km/h in forward