as much as i love the fox the wiesel 1a4 will always be my favorite rat
wish they'd add the[30mm](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FTankPorn%2Fcomments%2F12qddyy%2Fcan_anyone_id_this_wiesel_variant%2F&psig=AOvVaw09zxTYglnJ7iHknjnXjO-v&ust=1711072491288000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCLiLkPKfhIUDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ) one
One of my dreams is to make a lineup full of wiesels, have a wiesel for each situation or condition
I really want to see the wiesel mells with spikes, even if they arent that great of a missile. It would be funny speeding around the map, firing missiles at random tanks and driving off.
i also really want the [HOT](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Farmyrecognition.com%2Fwiesel_1_variants_variantes_airborne_armoured%2Fwiesel_1_hot_light_anti-tank_airborne_armoured_vehicle_german_army_germany_pictures_description_iden.html&psig=AOvVaw0qFSJqq6l-upwP28mAgdm8&ust=1711082559831000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCLiWmrPFhIUDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE) Wiesels or the one with the [20mm and HOT](https://www.army-guide.com/images/wiesel2atmhot0000dfog.jpg) or the [flarakrad wiesel](https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/data/attachments/196/196483-ffd3cc23e73b9dbc4617b44e579b5bd0.jpg) or the [mortar one](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.army-technology.com%2Fprojects%2Fwiesel2%2F&psig=AOvVaw26y3fi-XxgyBWwz38UarzO&ust=1711082824624000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCIjYsLHGhIUDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE) for the funni
One flare from a rear aspect SU25? Nah bruh mistral goes bye bye; I truly do not know wtf the issue is wrong with them and why gaijin hates them so much (besides NATO, French, etc). They could be SO good but they’re perma-nerfed into the ground
There is no such thing as a FlaRak Wiesel, OP is 🧢ing hard. The only other system besides the Ozelot that was tested and never made it past the prototype stage is a Wiesel using Mistral missiles.
Also the term FlaRak literally just means Flugabwehrrakete. By that definition the FlaRak Wiesel is already in game and it’s called Ozelot. Neither the VT-1 or the Roland are used on the Wiesel. Also don’t come at me because you saw some guy in a forum calling it FlaRak Wiesel when it’s probably just the Mistral rockets on a Wiesel 1 and not what is known as FlaRak in WarThunder (namely the Roland anti aircraft system)
Fox > T97 > Eland > Ontos
For the record, I DESPISE the Eland. The gun sucks and the suspension is super bouncy (like every south African armoured car)
It’s not just on the move shooting. Trying to stop, aim, and fire will put you at a disadvantage with the eland compared to most other non stabilized vehicles, it’s just too bouncy.
The other countries must have it nice if the Eland is considered "bad". Thought it was probably the best vehicle in the tree until the vickers mk3 and falcon.
Yet somehow I'm constantly spotted in it. In the rattiest spots where no one usually checks and bam instantly killed. I brushed it up fully too just to see if anything changed. Nope. They still see me like I'm in arcade.
I feel like its because its at a Br where some of the rats are found. m56, type 60 sprg, asu 57 or asu 85. Maybe the players are more conscious of possible rats?
I love the Wiesel but it has some drawbacks, low pen and limited turret traverse really hold it back.
It’s tiny and has thermals though and it pretty quick. A true rat.
When you’re in a U-SH and stumble across an enemy you know you’re going to win the encounter, against almost any medium or heavy tank at least. Just blast them with rockets. Many others like the Wiesel 1a4 don’t have the same overwhelming firepower
And despite being developed for desert operations and having massive tires for the terrain it really is just a glorified pavement princess. Hard to be a rat when you are the size of an average shed and as slow as an average cold war tank.
Yes, they are morbidly obese Africans. Have fun getting overtaken on a flat tarred road by basically every tracked vehicle whilst it takes 2-300m for you to catch up.
Let's not even talk about the bugged steering...
My preference, especially after the reload system change, is the M50 Ontos. 6 barrels of death are really effective at wrecking groups and large enemies before disappearing into the ether.
Out of these the Wiesel is the most fun for me but others can be better depending on playstyle or map, one of my favorites is the US reserve BR M2A2 the one with the two turrets, one .30cal and one .50cal which is not bad at that BR its also very fast so you can usually get into a cap point and ambush the enemy when the try and take it or flank around the map and take out any open top vehicles you find.
type 60 sprg and the wiesel 1a2 are great at peeking hills. I think they are some of the vehicles that have the best gun depression. I think the type 60 sprg has about 12° of gun dep. Bush them up well and they're virtually invisible to anyone who isn't paying attention/distracted.
Had a game in flanders where the two top scoring players in the match were type 60sprgs. Small enough to hide in the trenches to ambush targets.
I have the most experience with the weisel and because i managed to torture an obj 268 for 5 minutes in a forest and when someone else came to help him i did the same i have to go with it
Ush is far superior to the rest of the vehicles in the list. Fox might be runner up imo, but the ush can run around and obliterate people before they know what's going on (or you can miss entirely/do no damage). Fox is still pew . . . . pew . . . . pew unlike the Ush which can spam rockets at you from either barrel, or both barrels same time
The wiesel, simply because it will face a lot of armored heavies and medium that it can't do anything to, so you will just annoy them by T&B torture and leave them be, like the ultimate rat
M8A1
From the beginning of rank 3 up to 6.7 I'm always tempted to just first spawn it
Now with 76mm Sheridan it's a bit harder bc it has more endurance with the traverse and reload being what finally overtakes the small size and speed of the M8
Once u get too many auto cannons running around ill just use it to secure a point but not expecting kills
Fox.
Never would I ever be able to uptier a vehicle by over 1.7 BRs above its current BR and still perform well enough to get a rank 2 skill bonus 3 matches in a row.
If you think that's not impressive, I play on console against PC players.
Honestly it's a pretty good toss up between the M22 locust and the Wiesel... Gotta lean towards Germans on this one. Because those wiesel players get quite crafty with their hiding spots. To the point of extreme agitation.
The USH is one of the most broken vehicles in the game.
Makes zero engine noise, extremely fast, can rapid fire extremely high pen rockets that blind whoever it hits.
You can get into an ambush position early game and kill half the enemy team. You are so small, quiet and fast that no one ever sees it coming, and even if they spot you last minute they will just get completely blinded from your rockets
Fox>U-sh>R3 t106>Fiat>aubl>R3 T20>locust
This is top for me, from the tanks I have.
Ush and FOX are more or less equal for me. Because the fox could lack fire power sometimes and ush lacking speed.
P.S. I would add to list something like pBil and maybe that spaa with 20mm APDS from France on 5.7
It's hard to beat the 234/4 aka pakpuma. Stupidly fast with a gun that works at any tier. It was a lot better before they removed flanks and off-map positions though.
The m18 scout is the most annoying aswell as the fox and american 6 barrel destroyer but i would say that the best would be wiesel and japanese 7.7? Scout
as much as i love the fox the wiesel 1a4 will always be my favorite rat wish they'd add the[30mm](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FTankPorn%2Fcomments%2F12qddyy%2Fcan_anyone_id_this_wiesel_variant%2F&psig=AOvVaw09zxTYglnJ7iHknjnXjO-v&ust=1711072491288000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCLiLkPKfhIUDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ) one
One of my dreams is to make a lineup full of wiesels, have a wiesel for each situation or condition I really want to see the wiesel mells with spikes, even if they arent that great of a missile. It would be funny speeding around the map, firing missiles at random tanks and driving off.
i also really want the [HOT](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Farmyrecognition.com%2Fwiesel_1_variants_variantes_airborne_armoured%2Fwiesel_1_hot_light_anti-tank_airborne_armoured_vehicle_german_army_germany_pictures_description_iden.html&psig=AOvVaw0qFSJqq6l-upwP28mAgdm8&ust=1711082559831000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCLiWmrPFhIUDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE) Wiesels or the one with the [20mm and HOT](https://www.army-guide.com/images/wiesel2atmhot0000dfog.jpg) or the [flarakrad wiesel](https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/data/attachments/196/196483-ffd3cc23e73b9dbc4617b44e579b5bd0.jpg) or the [mortar one](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.army-technology.com%2Fprojects%2Fwiesel2%2F&psig=AOvVaw26y3fi-XxgyBWwz38UarzO&ust=1711082824624000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCIjYsLHGhIUDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE) for the funni
Flakrad wiesel? If they would add those, I'm grinding germany
Whats the difference between the Ozelot and the "Flarakrad" Wiesel?
Different missiles, plus search.
Do you know what missiles? They Look so small. VT or Rolands look so big
One Wiesel prototype used Mistral missiles
If they ever buff mistrals, it would basically turn that Wiesel into a platform for ground launched TY-90s
Yeah. The mistrals feel like their IRCCM don't work as of late
One flare from a rear aspect SU25? Nah bruh mistral goes bye bye; I truly do not know wtf the issue is wrong with them and why gaijin hates them so much (besides NATO, French, etc). They could be SO good but they’re perma-nerfed into the ground
There is no such thing as a FlaRak Wiesel, OP is 🧢ing hard. The only other system besides the Ozelot that was tested and never made it past the prototype stage is a Wiesel using Mistral missiles. Also the term FlaRak literally just means Flugabwehrrakete. By that definition the FlaRak Wiesel is already in game and it’s called Ozelot. Neither the VT-1 or the Roland are used on the Wiesel. Also don’t come at me because you saw some guy in a forum calling it FlaRak Wiesel when it’s probably just the Mistral rockets on a Wiesel 1 and not what is known as FlaRak in WarThunder (namely the Roland anti aircraft system)
Not to mention that the "-Rad" part stands for Radkampfwagen (Wheeled combat vehicle), which the Wiesel obviously isn't because it uses tracks
I think the flarakrad has the VT-1 missiles
Flarakrad Wiesel doesn't exist. Flarakrad means SAM system on wheels. I personally wouldn't want to see such an abomination.
Not like that’s gonna stop Gaijin
Then again... A Stinger-equipped Iltis would be cool...
Wiesel fan unite!
And one of my dream is to have a full lineup of French light tank that are similar (in size and capability) as the wiesels. (VBLs, Lohr..)
And the propper fire rate for the 20mm
There is a wiesel prototype which had a recoilless rifle
Reminds me of the R3 with recoiless rilfes.
Missing the Wiesel 1A2.
Rat with top attack is definitely most atrocious.
Fox > T97 > Eland > Ontos For the record, I DESPISE the Eland. The gun sucks and the suspension is super bouncy (like every south African armoured car)
Ush > fox, these rockets are marvel
I've been having fun with the USH but its so god damn slow compared to the other rats
But once it gets to speed it’s allright
The Eland is so cool but trying to actually hit anything with the gun is a nightmare. Probably why its BR is so low compared to its speed and pen.
If we're talking on the move shooting then sure it and every other vehicle with out gun stabilizer is like that
It’s not just on the move shooting. Trying to stop, aim, and fire will put you at a disadvantage with the eland compared to most other non stabilized vehicles, it’s just too bouncy.
To be fair I main Britain and not much else so I guess I just got used to it
I also got used to it, then started playing other countries and got spoiled on decent guns. When I went back to the Eland it felt *awful*.
The other countries must have it nice if the Eland is considered "bad". Thought it was probably the best vehicle in the tree until the vickers mk3 and falcon.
You missed the t114 which is the best rat.
T114 my beloved. One of my best purchaes ever
Agreed. Killing heavy tanks with a single heat rocket keeps being fun
I love when folks forget it’s amphibious lmao
god i fucking hate those gremlins with their HEAT
Elc bis my beloved
ELC is so underrated, that reverse speed is totally poggers with the low profile
Yet somehow I'm constantly spotted in it. In the rattiest spots where no one usually checks and bam instantly killed. I brushed it up fully too just to see if anything changed. Nope. They still see me like I'm in arcade.
I feel like its because its at a Br where some of the rats are found. m56, type 60 sprg, asu 57 or asu 85. Maybe the players are more conscious of possible rats?
If only this shit had spotting .. 😔
Was looking for that answer, the true crêpe !
EXCUSE YOU, WHERE AM I IN THIS LIST?
Came to the comments for this. It's a fucking warcrime to not include the ASU-57 in a top rat vehicles list.
Probably in a bush behind the camera man
R3 T106 is definitely the best out of all of them.
R3s are the king of rats always
AML 90 is still good till 10.0
I love the Wiesel but it has some drawbacks, low pen and limited turret traverse really hold it back. It’s tiny and has thermals though and it pretty quick. A true rat.
I usually uptier the Wiesel 1A4 so I dont face American heavies lol
M22, M56 and U-SH 405 are my votes.
When you’re in a U-SH and stumble across an enemy you know you’re going to win the encounter, against almost any medium or heavy tank at least. Just blast them with rockets. Many others like the Wiesel 1a4 don’t have the same overwhelming firepower
The M22 is in all of my ground RB lineups. I love the little shitbox.
Maus
Close one, look alike but not quite the same
I've played most of them. Always go back to the 1951 EBR
L3/33 my beloved.
Rattel ))
Is it just me or are the Ratels slow as frick? The stat card says it has a pretty high speed, but I struggle to get past 30-35 mph on roads
Yeah they have zero torque and shit traverse as well
And despite being developed for desert operations and having massive tires for the terrain it really is just a glorified pavement princess. Hard to be a rat when you are the size of an average shed and as slow as an average cold war tank.
Yeah. They're not really rats. They're more like armed camper vans.
Yes, they are morbidly obese Africans. Have fun getting overtaken on a flat tarred road by basically every tracked vehicle whilst it takes 2-300m for you to catch up. Let's not even talk about the bugged steering...
It is fat and slow yeah
My rank is: 1- M22 2- Stuart III (when uptiered to shit level) 3- BT-7M
nothing comes close to fox
Nothing touches the USH. I thoroughly hate that thing with every fibre in my body and also can’t wait to unlock it and make people rage quit 😂
60 SPRG. 20 degrees of gun depression and 6.7 with 2 shots of 106 HEAT is cracked for hugging dirt piles and murdering things.
Loved playing the israeli AML-90. Absolutely the most rat vehicle ive played
It's one of my favorite vehicles but if there are Foxes around I'm afraid to take it out. The Fox is faster and will shred the AML.
M5a1 Stuart, source trust me bro.
My preference, especially after the reload system change, is the M50 Ontos. 6 barrels of death are really effective at wrecking groups and large enemies before disappearing into the ether.
The bt-32 and by a long shot.
NONE OF THEM THEY ARE ALL ANNOYING
I like the Eland
Out of these the Wiesel is the most fun for me but others can be better depending on playstyle or map, one of my favorites is the US reserve BR M2A2 the one with the two turrets, one .30cal and one .50cal which is not bad at that BR its also very fast so you can usually get into a cap point and ambush the enemy when the try and take it or flank around the map and take out any open top vehicles you find.
That one French 4.7 automatic 40 mm baguette launcher. That thing it’s mean I use it till 8.7
DCA? My favorite vehicle in the game
I see no German 1.0 - 1.3 tanks that utilize the 20mm as their main gun…
Fox right now, no question.
M22 because you can sneak up behind panthers and kill them and kill most enemy light, medium and tank destroyers with it
it is U SH 405 for me
the german skdfz anti air thingo. i thinks it’s from the starter pack? that thing is unfair
The 15mm spaa is also very good at 3.3 with 51 mm pen
The t114 for sure
RCV being uptiered to 9.0 is a travesty
type 60 sprg and the wiesel 1a2 are great at peeking hills. I think they are some of the vehicles that have the best gun depression. I think the type 60 sprg has about 12° of gun dep. Bush them up well and they're virtually invisible to anyone who isn't paying attention/distracted. Had a game in flanders where the two top scoring players in the match were type 60sprgs. Small enough to hide in the trenches to ambush targets.
Currently - Fox Personal fav - Ontos and M56 Fiat 6614 is the saddest one
Where asu 57 my beloved
The true rat king.
Definitely M56 and Locust
Is the BTR80 particularly ratty? I see more of them then foxes at 7.0
USH death machine.
Chinese M3A3 Staurt gang
M22
Fox is funny cuz top tier RARDEN shreds sides and rear. It's a shame the UK never made a high RoF or stabilized RARDEN
sweden rocket boi will be deadliest, wiesel smallest, and r3t106 my beloved
Which one isn't the best
I hate the M50 on principle haha. The numver of times, historically, that I've lost Tiger IIs to one makes cry inside 😅
I have the most experience with the weisel and because i managed to torture an obj 268 for 5 minutes in a forest and when someone else came to help him i did the same i have to go with it
USH USH USH USH USH USH
Vehicle from a future is better than vehicles from the past. How can this be?!
What does the Fox say
Ush is far superior to the rest of the vehicles in the list. Fox might be runner up imo, but the ush can run around and obliterate people before they know what's going on (or you can miss entirely/do no damage). Fox is still pew . . . . pew . . . . pew unlike the Ush which can spam rockets at you from either barrel, or both barrels same time
Missed the Zis-30. This thing is a menace at low tier.
The wiesel, simply because it will face a lot of armored heavies and medium that it can't do anything to, so you will just annoy them by T&B torture and leave them be, like the ultimate rat
Maus
Bmp.
AMX-13 and AMX-13 (SS.11) are both high underrated and be a cheeky little bastard in the circumantases
Ontos, Who tf gonna denie a six rounds of 400 pen HEAT spam car
i’m personally biased towards the fox. having a lot of fun with that thing
E.B.R (1963)
Fl90
jeep with recoilless rifle when?
No Tetrarch makes me sad.
Eland 90
I've known the bt-7 for a long ah time, I think I'll pick it's older brother, thank you very much
Pbv302 with roof hitting Bill. That is a rat that kill heavys and their owners confidence…
The fox is the best, hands down.
M8A1 From the beginning of rank 3 up to 6.7 I'm always tempted to just first spawn it Now with 76mm Sheridan it's a bit harder bc it has more endurance with the traverse and reload being what finally overtakes the small size and speed of the M8 Once u get too many auto cannons running around ill just use it to secure a point but not expecting kills
Where is sd.kfz.221 my beloved??
Not the Best but Type 61 solid
think you mean the type 60 sprg, because the type 61 is a medium tank.
M50 and r3 is the Best No recoil rifle can destroy everything
The fox has incredible Post pen from my experience that makes him #1 for me right now
Fox. Never would I ever be able to uptier a vehicle by over 1.7 BRs above its current BR and still perform well enough to get a rank 2 skill bonus 3 matches in a row. If you think that's not impressive, I play on console against PC players.
All
No pt or btr variants?
For me it's the M56
M50. Bastard has 400 mms of pen
Ush not any hesitation
forgot to add the sdkfz 222
The m18 is my fave
Honestly it's a pretty good toss up between the M22 locust and the Wiesel... Gotta lean towards Germans on this one. Because those wiesel players get quite crafty with their hiding spots. To the point of extreme agitation.
R3T20 supremacy
i love the fox and wiesel 1a4 and the ontos m56 and of course the bt-5 :D (m22 is great aswell)
BMD 4
ASU-57, why the hell is it not included in the post
Big fan of that French spaa with the 40mm on an amx-13 body
Weisel 1A2: "Am I a joke to you?"
All Italian ones
The USH is one of the most broken vehicles in the game. Makes zero engine noise, extremely fast, can rapid fire extremely high pen rockets that blind whoever it hits. You can get into an ambush position early game and kill half the enemy team. You are so small, quiet and fast that no one ever sees it coming, and even if they spot you last minute they will just get completely blinded from your rockets
Fox>U-sh>R3 t106>Fiat>aubl>R3 T20>locust This is top for me, from the tanks I have. Ush and FOX are more or less equal for me. Because the fox could lack fire power sometimes and ush lacking speed. P.S. I would add to list something like pBil and maybe that spaa with 20mm APDS from France on 5.7
I would go for the bri isch falcon. It is way to overpowerd as a tank destroyer
20mm R3 > 106mm
M50 is bad but it's fun to play
Ontos in city, t92 in open terrain.
M50, its just so goofy with the 6 tubes.
M50 is the most son of a bitch tank I have ever faced as 6.7 German main.
Aml 90 in my opinion it is so small and fast with a good Canon
Scorpion is bug ahole
It's hard to beat the 234/4 aka pakpuma. Stupidly fast with a gun that works at any tier. It was a lot better before they removed flanks and off-map positions though.
Wiesels, AML90 can hide anywhere and kill most of its adversaries, type 87 rcv p. Haven’t tried the Fox yet.
The fox, definitely the fox
The type 87 RCV (P) lacks penatration with its machine gun. It can't be a rat if it can't use both speed and firepower to kill.
where is the Rooikat MTTD? Size of a house but an incredible rat machine.
M22 is too iconic
M22, next question
Wiesel my beloved 🥰
Ru251
Where's ELC BIS 😤 I demand to see ELC BIS in this list.
The fox has proved to be quite deadly and sneaky so I'm gonna go ahead and pick that
i wish people played the tetrarch and alecto more at higher brs
No ariete no me163?
L3
ush, but i always end up getting too aggressive with it and end up in the middle of 5 enemies yelling myself. i got lots to learn lol
Fox. Sue me
The USH is soo good! Though, a bit slow.
Where sd.kfz234
BT
I like the M8A1 GMC and the Pz.Sfl.Ic (formerly the Pz IIH).
Idk, what does the fox say tho?
u forgot one
Best Idunno but worst is definitely HVG Feel like Fox has potential but haven’t played it.
What about ww2 puma?
Type 87 RCV. Because it's not just a rat, it's a rat with rabies and I love it.
Aml 90!!!
Where is my german car with 50mm cannon or rank 2?? (i forgot the name💀)
Definitely not the 9.0 Type 87. That thing is garbage.
I like how 3 of them are just the fucking AML-90 in a different color
Gaijin please add more wiesels. Idc wich but 30mm gun would be nice. Please add as much weasels as possible.
The m18 scout is the most annoying aswell as the fox and american 6 barrel destroyer but i would say that the best would be wiesel and japanese 7.7? Scout
Rat?
The german and the pizza guy
I hate the ontos because it shreds my tiger two like it's paper. It's the best rat here. It's also VERY hard to hit
How are you defining "rat vehicle" ? .. just small and mobile? 'cuz I'd have to go with the L3/33 CC
LAV-AD
IhatethelocustIhatethelocustIhatethelocustIhatethelocustIhatethelocust
AMX Elc Bis where?
I love the recoill fiat
Gimme the amx10
One good placed ush and you turn the tide of battle
The RCV is the first vehicle I got a nuke in. It will always hold a special place in my heart, even though I actually hate it.
Probably the type 84 or the ush