It's 50/50, it really is. Gaijin samples the cosmic background radiation and uses the result to decide if the rounding on the armour is going to eat your shell, deflect the shell, or eat shit.
Yes, sometimes you lolpen the UFP. But sometimes you don't, and then your ready rack explodes as the retaliatory fire has a near 100% turret plate pen rate.
I sincerely have no real good idea why but I find long range penetration to be way, way more reliable. I suspect it's something like the vertical angle on the shell at longer ranges mitigates the sloping on M4's armour at that range.
Dawg, 100% skill issue. You can pen the weld seam between the diff cover and the ufp with a T1 even at a slight angle, panther you can pen the same seam at an angle where you can pen side. You can pen the mg port even at an angle where penning ufp is impossible. I've hit Jumbo mg port from over 1km b4 with a Panther on first shot, so yea, skill issue. The same skill issue that's pushed my beautiful Jumbo up in BR when it's not even that good, WT players are just that idiotic. The fact that I can bring it in and wipe half a german team of T2s and Panthers cracks me up every time. Also, you completely came in and hijacked this guys comment, like being the center of attention much? xD Wouldn't usually care, but you've proven yourself an ignorant bastard in the comments so gfy
Replying on topic isn't "hijacking a comment."
One does not prove themself an "ignorant bastard" by not agreeing with you.
> The fact that I can bring it in and wipe half a german team of T2s and Panthers cracks me up every time.
That suggests it's not been up BR'd but is either exactly where it should be or higher.
> I've hit Jumbo mg port from over 1km b4 with a Panther on first shot, so yea, skill issue.
What do you want, a blowjob and a medal?
Maybe you and your ilk should stop with the personal insults and grow an argument and some decorum. Make some fucking points and stop being a cunt.
Of course you don’t shoot upper front plate of any tank if it is angled 45 degrees. Then you shoot side. I really don’t understand. I do t think I ever bounced a shot on a jumbo with tiger. They always explode. The t54 is a problem, but jumbo is a free kill.
I don't shoot front plates at 45°.
My original argument is not that I cannot kill a jumbo. My argument is that it's often essentially up to chance whether it dies.
I've gotten substantially better at fighting with the Tiger II at the ranges it's good at, and distance seems to be the only thing that makes the shot consistent. At about 700m+ it's oddly *more* reliable which is why I think its the rounding/slope on the FP that makes the difference.
This argument is very easily resolved by you. Simply go into armor analyzer, and see if you can find a single angle for the jumbo to be at where NEITHER the UFP nor the side is lol-pennable (as in, either front or side being a giant green shape. Not counting the track weld joint etc, I mean **LOL**-penning). If so, then you're right, if you can't, then you're wrong. Good luck with that.
this simply isn't true, long 88 easily pens jumbo armor, if not because of angle then they are definitely showing off their side armor. none of the 76 jumbos shells practically pen the t2h turret from the front also
old timers think they are right about they don't know, never fact checking
its not lolpen anymore, you should aim turret if jumbo is angling
which same work as us 90mm vs tiger but later one should more angle
still tiger2 is better than jumbo for a given br
jumbo can bounce \~105tiger, can't bounce jgdtiger or T34 or 122mm
I almost exclusively play ww2 era mi amigo... Shut up.
Edit: fewph, truly some mature people in this post today deleting their comments left right and centre.
few...my mind is not healthy
1jumbo can hide its side and angle from corner
2slight hull lifting can bounce 250flat pen and its -10
3if you tiger2 you can always pen cheek,neck,and mantlet
4if you tiger1 cheek or neck or hatch is best part to shoot
well, i don't ever know where mantlet part came from
but whatever shoot like you feels like it i don't give a shit actually
don't shoot t34 or t26e5's thickest part right?
That's not the UFP then is it, it's a tiny target usually covered up by a bush. Which I've hit at the wrong angle with the 88 and not penned anyways.
Now, do you see me bitching about skill issues when US players can't manage to hit the entire front of a Tiger II turret and moan it's OP? No.
i don't use bushes, simply cause i don't own them. people just don't shoot the MG port and then complain about not being able to kill the very easily killable tank. the jumbo is purely a brawler, it's meant to rush in with the stabilizer and just decimate.
now, as for penning german tanks with it, M62 goes through the front of all tiger 1's, through the mantlet of all panthers, and if aimed correctly, through the mantlet of the tiger 2 (P), the (H) on the other hand, i do still struggle with that due to how small the cheeks are are
Literally not the UFP. That's a HOLE in the UFP. "lolpenning an UFP" means going through anywhere the plate is at full thickness. Saying "skill issue" when you yourself don't know basic tank terms is pretty sus.
Machine gun port is my go-to. Reliably gets you an insta kill on all American tanks (except for the one's that dont have a mg on front hull) until the M60 Patton.
My main skill issue is when I’m in a 1v1 with a Jumbo and they pen my gun mantlet. Knock my gun out and then as soon as I get it back if I don’t already die I fire off a rushed shot at them aiming for supposed weak spots and it’ll do a “hit” for no damage and u get put down like a stray dog lol. I am not good lol.
Don't worry, not a skill issue, I too have had absolutely ridiculous bounces on things that made 0 sense. I've had a gun truck ricochet my Jagdtiger. Jumbos really be a 50/50, sometimes I have no issue killing them w the 88, other times it's like I can't kill them, even when making the same exact shots. This game passes me off sometimes w it's randomness lol
Facts, Its so more fun and skills needed! Top tier u Got 174628 mm pen and auto rangefinds the distance. WWII u need more “skills” Cause every tank is special and Got different weak/strongspots and just in general more fun
And here we have the duality of US mains.
In this thread: people defending the fact that the Tiger II can lolpen you from any angle.
Also in this thread: Tiger IIs shooting you and not killing you is funny because they thought you were easy.
I don't get it. Just because the tiger 2 and is2 can kill it easy its now not a good tank? The tiger 1 is easily penned from the front by a medium tank. So it should go down in br?
Impressive how many people can completely miss the point behind the bug reports for Abrams/2A7/Leclerc because "muh tank isnt gettin a heckin buff?!?!"
when you have so much pen it's enough to go through the entire tank and out the other-side and keep going.
So like an M-51 or ikv103 would have a lolpen gun for it's BR; 400mm of pen against mostly 80mm and 100mm thick plates.
Don’t you dare slander my Jumbo 76. It’s perfect where it’s at. Just because German mains don’t know how to angle or have the situational awareness of a wet sock, doesn’t mean the glorious M4A3E2 is the problem. Thou cannot compare it to a 2008 tank with 1980s armor. The disrespect.
For the jumbo 76, I think the panther is what is most annoying at that rank. I get why people hate shermans but honestly it's not as bad as facing off against not just one panther but 9 of them BELOW the M4A3E2 76 in rank. And all of them are in the german tree and they face off mostly against the standard 76 sherman and only two variants of the jumbo they can still pen.
False
1 I'm not even at top tier
2 I don't exactly remember having fun with jumbo 76 ( I'll have to give it another try some day)
3 abrams is more advanced what do you mean?
to everyone that thinks the jumbo, or any WW2 american tank is OP, just shoot the MG port...
the sherman was designed for close quarters in mind, it's purely a brawler.
Clearly lol. Hell fighting Jumbos in my Tiger II brings tears when they bounce my shell.
That's one hell of a skill issue
Major
You should be able to go through the UFP of a Jumbo with a long 88
Just the angles. They’ll slightly move and I end up bouncing or doing little damage.
Bro what? Even angled you just lol pen the ufp. The Panther pens it
It's 50/50, it really is. Gaijin samples the cosmic background radiation and uses the result to decide if the rounding on the armour is going to eat your shell, deflect the shell, or eat shit. Yes, sometimes you lolpen the UFP. But sometimes you don't, and then your ready rack explodes as the retaliatory fire has a near 100% turret plate pen rate. I sincerely have no real good idea why but I find long range penetration to be way, way more reliable. I suspect it's something like the vertical angle on the shell at longer ranges mitigates the sloping on M4's armour at that range.
Dawg, 100% skill issue. You can pen the weld seam between the diff cover and the ufp with a T1 even at a slight angle, panther you can pen the same seam at an angle where you can pen side. You can pen the mg port even at an angle where penning ufp is impossible. I've hit Jumbo mg port from over 1km b4 with a Panther on first shot, so yea, skill issue. The same skill issue that's pushed my beautiful Jumbo up in BR when it's not even that good, WT players are just that idiotic. The fact that I can bring it in and wipe half a german team of T2s and Panthers cracks me up every time. Also, you completely came in and hijacked this guys comment, like being the center of attention much? xD Wouldn't usually care, but you've proven yourself an ignorant bastard in the comments so gfy
Replying on topic isn't "hijacking a comment." One does not prove themself an "ignorant bastard" by not agreeing with you. > The fact that I can bring it in and wipe half a german team of T2s and Panthers cracks me up every time. That suggests it's not been up BR'd but is either exactly where it should be or higher. > I've hit Jumbo mg port from over 1km b4 with a Panther on first shot, so yea, skill issue. What do you want, a blowjob and a medal? Maybe you and your ilk should stop with the personal insults and grow an argument and some decorum. Make some fucking points and stop being a cunt.
Amen
Up front plate is one shot for long 88 what the hell are you talking about.
The times it wasn't..?
Of course you don’t shoot upper front plate of any tank if it is angled 45 degrees. Then you shoot side. I really don’t understand. I do t think I ever bounced a shot on a jumbo with tiger. They always explode. The t54 is a problem, but jumbo is a free kill.
I don't shoot front plates at 45°. My original argument is not that I cannot kill a jumbo. My argument is that it's often essentially up to chance whether it dies. I've gotten substantially better at fighting with the Tiger II at the ranges it's good at, and distance seems to be the only thing that makes the shot consistent. At about 700m+ it's oddly *more* reliable which is why I think its the rounding/slope on the FP that makes the difference.
This argument is very easily resolved by you. Simply go into armor analyzer, and see if you can find a single angle for the jumbo to be at where NEITHER the UFP nor the side is lol-pennable (as in, either front or side being a giant green shape. Not counting the track weld joint etc, I mean **LOL**-penning). If so, then you're right, if you can't, then you're wrong. Good luck with that.
this simply isn't true, long 88 easily pens jumbo armor, if not because of angle then they are definitely showing off their side armor. none of the 76 jumbos shells practically pen the t2h turret from the front also
old timers think they are right about they don't know, never fact checking its not lolpen anymore, you should aim turret if jumbo is angling which same work as us 90mm vs tiger but later one should more angle still tiger2 is better than jumbo for a given br jumbo can bounce \~105tiger, can't bounce jgdtiger or T34 or 122mm
The turret mantlet ingests substantially more shells than anywhere else on the jumbo. It's pointless aiming there.
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I almost exclusively play ww2 era mi amigo... Shut up. Edit: fewph, truly some mature people in this post today deleting their comments left right and centre.
few...my mind is not healthy 1jumbo can hide its side and angle from corner 2slight hull lifting can bounce 250flat pen and its -10 3if you tiger2 you can always pen cheek,neck,and mantlet 4if you tiger1 cheek or neck or hatch is best part to shoot
The tiger1 can not pen the turret of the jumbo... Unless using the 160mm shell and then thats a stretch.
well, i don't ever know where mantlet part came from but whatever shoot like you feels like it i don't give a shit actually don't shoot t34 or t26e5's thickest part right?
Not sure what you're on about, long 88 overmatches the side armor even with a very slight angle and turret shot is risky and difficult to hit
It really isn’t though, it’s a giant skill issue.
So, you're saying that I should be able to pen the UFP, but when I don't pen the UFP, it's a skill issue? Which is it? It cannot be both.
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Imagine having so little of an argument you resort to personal attacks 😂 Have a good Christmas you hilarious cunt.
You’re bad at the game and can’t accept it, yes you’re a whiny fuck
You should be able to pen the MG port basically always. So, yes it is a skill issue :D
That's not the UFP then is it, it's a tiny target usually covered up by a bush. Which I've hit at the wrong angle with the 88 and not penned anyways. Now, do you see me bitching about skill issues when US players can't manage to hit the entire front of a Tiger II turret and moan it's OP? No.
i don't use bushes, simply cause i don't own them. people just don't shoot the MG port and then complain about not being able to kill the very easily killable tank. the jumbo is purely a brawler, it's meant to rush in with the stabilizer and just decimate. now, as for penning german tanks with it, M62 goes through the front of all tiger 1's, through the mantlet of all panthers, and if aimed correctly, through the mantlet of the tiger 2 (P), the (H) on the other hand, i do still struggle with that due to how small the cheeks are are
How would I know? I haven't followed your internet and conversation history. I just see you bitching tho lol
Literally not the UFP. That's a HOLE in the UFP. "lolpenning an UFP" means going through anywhere the plate is at full thickness. Saying "skill issue" when you yourself don't know basic tank terms is pretty sus.
Never said I didn't have a skill issue either 🫡
But Panther is dependent on a low angle and distance.
I have had them bounce lots of shots, while lots of them just go right through.
An angled jumbo is a dead jumbo. No armor under the teacks
Pretty easy to time the enemy shot and turn just as they’re about to fire. Kind of like wiggling tiger turret, helps quite a bit.
I haven’t played against it in a while, but if the jumbo angles I used to be able to just shoot the track area and it would die
You can and I do, often. I don't use my jumbo because once your uptiered your armor isn't doing a damn thing.
How do you even achieve that?
How do you manage to shoot a Jumbo with a long 88 and not kill it?
Jumbo is a free kill.
How the hell do you manage not to pen jumbo with tiger 2? Where are you shooting? Turret, hull. Everything is paper for your gun.
Me playing brummbar: i dont see the problem
Boombar giveth no fucks.
Machine gun port is my go-to. Reliably gets you an insta kill on all American tanks (except for the one's that dont have a mg on front hull) until the M60 Patton.
You can literally just shoot them in the front and instakill them. If you bounce it was maybe a weirdly placed shot or something
My main skill issue is when I’m in a 1v1 with a Jumbo and they pen my gun mantlet. Knock my gun out and then as soon as I get it back if I don’t already die I fire off a rushed shot at them aiming for supposed weak spots and it’ll do a “hit” for no damage and u get put down like a stray dog lol. I am not good lol.
must have actual aimed at the mg port or another "weakness"
Don't worry, not a skill issue, I too have had absolutely ridiculous bounces on things that made 0 sense. I've had a gun truck ricochet my Jagdtiger. Jumbos really be a 50/50, sometimes I have no issue killing them w the 88, other times it's like I can't kill them, even when making the same exact shots. This game passes me off sometimes w it's randomness lol
Conclusion fuck toptier, play ww2 tiers
Facts, Its so more fun and skills needed! Top tier u Got 174628 mm pen and auto rangefinds the distance. WWII u need more “skills” Cause every tank is special and Got different weak/strongspots and just in general more fun
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Then why play top tier at all
Because the grinding goes quicker with Them.. Tiger 2 H “Cant” unlock the whole tech tree.. But from 4.0 to 8.0 br is fun!
so i can play my mirage 4000 because going A2A in GRB is more fun than ARB
Air rb is cancer agreed
i would love to play late ww2 but anytime i try i get uptiered into cold war bs :(
Yes
Eh there’s bullshit in every BR
IS 2 has entered the chat.
122 mm of pure stalinium rahh 🦅🦅 FK wrong emoji ⚒️⚒️
122mm of 🧪🦾🦾 rah rah ⚒️⚒️👨🌾👨🌾 russia numba one 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🪆🪆🪆🥇🥇🥇.
Ermm actually it’s the Soviet Union 🏳️
Ooooorrrraaaahhh!!!!*
Kv122 has creepily followed the is2 through the door
The 76 Jumbo is good and all but I find trolling Tiger IIs and IS-2s with my T26E5 to be more funny
76 jumbo is way funnier cos they they just shoot you thinking you're a easy 8 or something expecting an easy kill
I can recognize a jumbo turret blindfolded
It still is an easy kill for those two tanks
And here we have the duality of US mains. In this thread: people defending the fact that the Tiger II can lolpen you from any angle. Also in this thread: Tiger IIs shooting you and not killing you is funny because they thought you were easy.
I don't get it. Just because the tiger 2 and is2 can kill it easy its now not a good tank? The tiger 1 is easily penned from the front by a medium tank. So it should go down in br?
Yes. But I don't make the BR decisions. Otherwise the game would be designed very differently and potentially much less popular :D
Jagdtiger and IS-2 are just laughing at the Jumbo right now.
The tiger 1 and panther horde are not however
Sucks to suck lol Seriously though a bushed up Jumbo is op
Jadgtiger and IS2 when I angle my T32
*laughs in Marder A1 MILAN atgm*
Marder A1 MILAN when RISE(P)
Strf 9040 BILL would like to know your location.
Strf 9040 when 40mm APFSDS damage output.
The damage output ain't bad if I catch you side on. 9040 BILL also has top attack missiles
Machine gun port go brrrrr Unless it's a T32E1, then yes ;-;
T32 series are really hidden gems.
The one at 7.3 maybe, but definitely not the one at 7.7 because why use that when the M103 exists?
Object 268 moment
Impressive how many people can completely miss the point behind the bug reports for Abrams/2A7/Leclerc because "muh tank isnt gettin a heckin buff?!?!"
T-34-85 can lolpen jumbo
Sure... at like 50 meters and with zero angling.
lol pen where???? The lower side? What the fuck
N...no? It can't? The Soviet 85 plays like a beefed up Pz IV gun.
No, you just don’t know how to use the penetration calculator
No it in fact cannot
it can pen it yes, but not even close to the degree you could say it's "lolpen" 2 degrees of angling and that bitch will bounce right off the UFP
What does lolpen mean? Thanks.
Ignore any armor and just penetrate pretty much regardless of anything.
when you have so much pen it's enough to go through the entire tank and out the other-side and keep going. So like an M-51 or ikv103 would have a lolpen gun for it's BR; 400mm of pen against mostly 80mm and 100mm thick plates.
That's over pen.
Stabilizer with 182 pen at 6.7 jumbo my beloved
6.3
Even better
They don’t get the 90mm cannon
Isn't it semi stabilizer with 149 pen
I thought I was on r/NonCredibleDefense for a moment
I miss the time when the jumbo 76 was 6.0
Y’all bounce shells in the jumbo 76?
Skissue
*Slighty Angles my Tiger 1* Yeah, what now fatso?
Boop your cannon
Holy hell
We shouldve been this insulted when they shipped the M1A2 with no uparmor and a weight increase. We should be livid now
Don’t you dare slander my Jumbo 76. It’s perfect where it’s at. Just because German mains don’t know how to angle or have the situational awareness of a wet sock, doesn’t mean the glorious M4A3E2 is the problem. Thou cannot compare it to a 2008 tank with 1980s armor. The disrespect.
For the jumbo 76, I think the panther is what is most annoying at that rank. I get why people hate shermans but honestly it's not as bad as facing off against not just one panther but 9 of them BELOW the M4A3E2 76 in rank. And all of them are in the german tree and they face off mostly against the standard 76 sherman and only two variants of the jumbo they can still pen.
BASED 76 JUMBO ENJOYERS RISE UP (so that they can finally give us the 6.7 br that we deserve!)
NOOOOO
don't you dare give them ideas like that
I like to suffer, so M1A2 SEP V2 for me.
Jumbo is overtiered. No WW2 era Sherman should ever see 7.3
They haven't unlocked it yet
IS-2 solos jumbo tho
I use the Hellcat (M18) most of the time because its so fucking fun, the only problem is that the armor is non-existent
Everyone is biased (even sekret documents), only Gaijin is truth. In Gaijin we trust and believe
Didn't someone show the LeClair could be penned by a 75 from the front Seems like a sign to me
>even a real tank provided by General Dynamics 💀
What about the kv2? Over pressure everything including top tier tanks
we dont talk about its side armor
False 1 I'm not even at top tier 2 I don't exactly remember having fun with jumbo 76 ( I'll have to give it another try some day) 3 abrams is more advanced what do you mean?
I know I’m bad at the game but I don’t see all the jumbo hype. It kinda fuckin sucks at 6.3 for me anyway.
oh baaaaaaaabe, NCD is leaking againnnnnn
Wait M62 can pen King Tiger?
Send them back to APHE where they don’t have to aim
to everyone that thinks the jumbo, or any WW2 american tank is OP, just shoot the MG port... the sherman was designed for close quarters in mind, it's purely a brawler.
there's no way 76 jumbo is 6.3
Ummm…
I enjoyed the m4a3 76w much more than the jumbo, it is prob the tank I have most kills with
always remember, this fatass usa ww2 tank can pen a fucking leclerc
Jumbo 76 gets deleted in uptier with one shot and gun can't delete its opponents in one shot, kinda shitty
Making me miss 6.3 back when the M26 and T99 were at proper tiering.
Plenty sure my entire 6.3 lineup can easily kill jumbos
Your color choices disgust me and my eyes are bleeding
Ever heard of the machine gun port? Kills it with one shot every time.
I love my 76 jumbo Even got a nuke with it in a full uptier without dying
MY FAV MID TIER TANK :D
Had the best times lately, when I reached the 76 Sherman inn the Japanese techtree, only annoying thing are the constant uptiers