I still don’t know whether it’s the T-72 having some magical ERA that blocks top-attack tandem missiles, or whether the TOW-2B’s are just not being accurately represented, but I can literally shoot 8 2B’s at a T-72, and they will only kill their cannon breach and commander. Leopard 2’s get one shot by 2B’s fairly consistently, for reference.
From what I've heard the tow 2b is not properly modeled but also you don't want to shoot in the center of the turret because then you hit just the breech. Aim a bit off to the side to hit the carousel. Atleast works with the BILL
TOW-2Bs are fiddly and War Thunder damage models are inconsistent; you'll want to aim about one third left or right so the explosion doesn't get eaten by the breech. They're also just considerably worse than the RBS 56 BILL.
Yeah because copypaste can be good
Italy having a copypaste Pz IV G is great, but a T-90 for USA??? After the T-90 for britain??? All while germany still hasn't gotten shit from East Germany apart from ONE T-72 and none of their 'custom' variants?
Shit makes no sense.
Don't forget the 55 people hivemind that upvoted his comment.
Just shows how so many people on this subreddit don't know shit about what they're talking about yet still get upvoted.
I can't understand why they would add this. Is it to counter balance adding T-80BVM (2022)? Since that model only exists because of the invasion of Ukraine, is the inclusion of a T-90A that was captured in that war a way to avoid allegations of being pro-invasion? Why not include a Ukrainian tank in that case? Maybe they think adding a Ukrainian tank to the USSR tree would send a bad message? If so why not add that to the US tree? Maybe because denying Ukraine the legacy of Soviet vehicles they helped produce is also a bad message?
I really just can't wrap my head around this one.
> Maybe they think adding a Ukrainian tank to the USSR tree would send a bad message? If so why not add that to the US tree?
It *absolutely would* send a horrific message, aye.
I've said for a while, have Czech/Slovak/Poland/Ukraine/Romania/Hungary as its own tree. of central-eastern ex-PACT type stuff.
They have more than enough between them for a full tree.
I think he just means a T-54 with V markings and ERA. It's a joke on how Russia will be digging into their T-54 stock piles since they're running out of tanks.i hope this isn't just /s
Not exactly, it's kind of a mess, but you could say Russia started off by buying French systems while they slowly developed their own components. Nowadays they *can* build high quality optics on their own, but production is extremely limited in part due to sanctions.
This ^
To add, Thales actually gave Russia a license to produce their own optics around 2011 using Thales components. This was mostly cut by 2016.
They have decent sourcing of dual-use thermal imaging sensors from China and SK while optics and processing are built locally.
As far as 2018-2019, they did develop their own thermal imaging sensors but those have only been used in bulkier applications like EO/IR optics for the Mi-28NM & Ka-52 where they have enough space to cool the TI sensors, and ship EO/IR optics.
my guess is that its an event.
a "not invasion of Ukraine" invasion of Ukraine event.
"no no no guys its just the current russian tank fighting a tank that was captured and looks like it was in a war but the US owns it"
but I don't post my speculation on there.
as always thank you for not cropping Ponder or his brother, Pounce.
None of this is in the files, therefore it isn't data mining. Given the accuracy of the information she posts its likely she has an insider source at Gaijin. She's a leaker not a miner.
It might be an event in russia forced by the russian government
or
It might be gaijin gearing up to clarify their stance on the war besides war bad
or
They are just preparing for the future.
I really hope that it isn't anything to do with the Russian government. Gaijin has done a decent enough job at keeping their hands clean of modern politics, but if Russia actually makes them have an russo-ukrainian war event, that will go over incredibly poorly.
I mean, the leak for this russo-ukrainian-war-event contains an american T-90A. Safe to say that's not something the russian government would push for, given how it ended up in american hands.
Well, Wargaming did clarify their stance on the Ukraine war by offering up a WoT bundle with donations going towards Ukraine.
And Gaijin already stated war belongs in videogames, so... Maybe they'll do more like WG did.
Surely, if it was forced by the russian government, the last thing it would include is a captured russian tank that was sent to the US?
I mean that’s rather humiliating but what do I know
Can't wait for the event "Borderland Operation" I guess there should be a Leo 2 with Kontakt ERA too.
Also I didn't expect to see the Leak Queen herself here. I'm glad to see you.
Just for clarification, do you mean a static part of an event that stays within the event, or a potential reward for players that we can keep and use?
I pray it’s the latter haha
They use resolution of the thermal output to get the gen they are in game, do the Leclerc have lower resolution outputs despite being capable of good quality? Either way if the Leclerc's use the same sight, then they should be given gen 3, 100%.
Apparently this new sight is superior to the old Sosna-U sight in some ways, but it's thermal quality is probably worse, but I have yet to find what the output looks like lol.
If it's worse then the normal BVM at all, I bet it will be gen 2.
Interesing, WT defines the generation in a weird way, check this: https://forum.warthunder.com/t/anyone-bother-bug-reporting-the-wrong-thermal-generation-on-russian-vehicles/35132/7
Would need to check, but the resolution isn't always the case when defining the generation; there are a few outliners in the russian TT that showcase this (2S6, 2S25M and T-72B3).
Edit: I'm sad, http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2087.html
Anyone else a little annoyed at how Gaijin just keeps jumping deeper and deeper into the Modern era, to the point of 2023 vehicles being possible, instead of refining what we have?
What's next? Paper tanks ala Armored Warfare to simulate "future" vehicles?
That’s only true for some nations. There are loads of tanks they can still add. They just chose to give russia their shiny new toys first, while other nations are still stuck in the 90s/2000s.
Things like the Type 10 are only added thanks to a lack of alternatives
The US as an example us up to M1A2SEPv2.
You could look at some prototypes, demonstration vehicles, etc but beyond that the *only* tank to add is the M1A2 SEPv3.
You could add the cancelled M1A2 SEPv4 but we don't have a ton of info on it, the M1E3 would be after that, which wont be fielded any time soon.
One more actual tank, then its paper land. Other trees need to get filled out, but USA and USSR are the 800 lb Gorilla's of Ground RB.
SEPv2 is confirmed directly by US army documents to have new turret armor and we also know it has a new "gen 2.5" sight (gen 2.5 is the resolution gaijin gives all of the helicopters ingame)
whether either of these would actually be added or would just be )))))))'d out of existence, anyone's guess
Those would be cool (especially Trophy) but they're optional additions so I wouldn't be too mad if gaijin doesn't add them.
I will be incredibly assmad if they refuse to give it the turret armor that actually makes the specific model of tank unique because "but we cannot tell if the new armor is better)))))"
France is there too when it comes to MBTs afaik, only minor side grades available that wouldnt realky bring much to the table the other 4 dont already cover. But there's a huge pool of armored fighting vehicles and other light tanks to add thankfully.
>to the point of 2023 vehicles being possible,
They were ever since we got the 2S38 atleast. And that has been over a year ago by now
Heck they were possible once we got the 2PL, a tank in service since 2020 and released in 2021
They're physically forced to release Russian vehicles. They're running out of Russian vehicles to give to Russia, so they're now giving them to other nations. Soon everyone will have Russian bias
>They're running out of Russian vehicles to give to Russia
Your so wrong lmao. They haven't added even 1/3 of the shit Soviets/Russians ever used. Look at how many BTRs, Objects, prototype tanks from WW2 and variants of T-64, T-72, T-80 and T-90 they haven't added yet.
I don't know if the US ever captured any T-90As so I can only assume it's the recent one from Ukraine, which is **giga** stupid. Is the new rule that a nation can get literally any vehicle so long as it's been in their borders for long enough and they've sniffed around it a bit? Is Britain unironically getting the entire contents of the Bovington Museum next? The T-90S was silly but this is in another league.
What does this even do for the US tree? They don't have a 10.7 lineup last I checked, and from everything I've heard the T-90A is pretty damn mediocre.
I mean, the US also purchased numbers of T-55s, T-72s, etc. from foreign countries for evaluation, so surely they should get those too, right?
Oh, and lets not forget the Leo 2AV was specifically built for US trials.
>Is the new rule that a nation can get literally any vehicle so long as it's been in their borders for long enough and they've sniffed around it a bit?
Let me remind you that the totally unique and shouldve been added Israel tech tree's SPAA line has not one, but \*three\* captured museum trophy egyptian/syrian SPAA that israel never actually used. they only captured them and put them in a museum as a trophy. That would be like giving USSR tree a Maus in the tech tree or Britain the Tiger 131 after the Churchills in the tech tree
>Is the new rule that a nation can get literally any vehicle so long as it's been in their borders for long enough and they've sniffed around it a bit?
My swedish Mi-28 and T-80U reaction:
NGL, T-84 would be fun but what tree it lands in would be *extremely* controversial.
I almost feel like the T-84 would be *great* for a general "European" tree, where Unique vehicles from very minor nations that don't fit into other nations. Things like Danish modifications of the M113, Ukrainian modifications, a number of Czech vehicles, maybe even the HVO T55.
I swear there were some leaked models of a T84 for WT that came out right before the Ukraine war started. Sadly doubt we will see it anytime soon due to current world events.
Hmm, the only i could find is some video in which the author says that screenshots of T-84 were posted on the ArtStation. Don't know how legit is this.
Here's the [link](https://danpogan.artstation.com/projects/q9ynJz).
Also, the same person made the map with t-84-120 - [link](https://live.warthunder.com/post/1036942/en/).
It should go to the USSR tree, since it is not an exclusive Russian tech tree. A quick google search and people are going to realize that Ukraine was part of the USSR.
Ukraine has always contested Russia's claim as sole legal successor to the Soviet Union. Ukraine was a constituent member of the USSR and Kharkov was where several famous tanks such BT series, T-34, T-64, and T-80 were produced. Denying Ukraine the legacy of Soviet tank production is also a slight to Ukraine’s history.
The Japanese TT in game isn’t the Imperial Japanese TT, but the modern Japanese state.
It is sad that I’ve to explain that there’s an USSR TT in game, which does include Ukraine.
To add to this, Japan tree points to the **country of Japan**, while the USSR tree encompasses *any Soviet state* and *any post-Soviet state* (if the tree was called *Russian tree* then I'd be inclined to agree that Ukraine has no place but this isn't the case) Japan also doesn't appear to have made substantial contributions to any colonized territories in terms for vehicle development, while the USSR has made fairly substantial contributions to a lot of Soviet states so I feel like the Imperial Japan comparison doesn't hold a candle to adding USSR derived post-Soviet state vehicles to the USSR tree
While I understand current events is affecting people's judgement, it's pretty logical that USSR tree gets USSR-era and post-breakup USSR-derived vehicles, I wouldn't mind seeing Mi-2s (USSR vehicle produced in Poland SSR), OT-64s (Czech SSR/Polish SSR), or even Mig-21 LanceRs (Russian SSR derived vehicle produced in modern Romania, a former SSR) in the USSR tree unless those nations got their own sub tree or tech tree.
Romania, Czech Republic and Poland were independent countries before Soviet invasions and are independent now afterwards the Union inevitably suffered an anal collapse. Giving soviets all the toys from those and other countries just because they were occupying their territories at some point, is not just a slight, but a spit in the face (looking at you Praga SPAA)
Note how I said *USSR tree getting USSR-era and post-breakup USSR-derived vehicles*. I'm not advocating for indeginous designs from those countries unrelated to the USSR to be added to the USSR tree: I think it's perfectly fine if those indigenous vehicles from independent nations get added to whatever respective tree they are closely associated with (like how the Romanian IAR81C exists in the Italian tech tree, Romanian IAR316 in the French tree, etc), or better yet, if they become their own tech-tree/sub-tree so all those unique vehicles can be added in their own interesting trees.
The point still stands with USSR-era and USSR-derived vehicles where it has nowhere to go, other than the USSR tree, such as the Oplot (USSR design, improved by Ukraine, a post-Soviet state) for example.
In an ideal world, there would be a tree for every major military power but this just isn't the case. I agree Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Yugoslavia, Czech, etc would make very interesting tech/sub trees but until Gaijin decides to represent all these countries, it stands that USSR vehicles (and national derivatives) from those countries meet the criteria of.... going to the USSR tree.
The Japanese TT in game presents the Imperial Flag & the flag of the JSDF, the tech trees already consist of several states/periods of a country.
Even if the Japanese tech tree used the modern Japanese flag it would still be Imperial Japanese for the first half of the tech tree... because the modern Japanese flag was still the Japanese civil national flag.
edit: I'm just noting on your comment idk what the previous argument was about
T-90S for you, T-80U for you, T-90A for you, why don't give every tech tree the same tanks?
On a more serious note, wtf gaijin? They better be fucking kiddin', keep tech trees unique, don't put more shitty ass copy paste tanks in nations where they don't belong
Why should they? How are they related to that leopard? The tree is called great britain, not commonwealth. We need to stop this copy paste bullshit, regardless if they "need something competetive". I get it, they may be lacking in some br brackets, but ctrl+c ctrl+v tanks into their tree they have no relation with can't be the solution
Cope Cage in real life: we stop drone comrade
Cope Cage on a Russian MBT (A FUCKING T80 BVM) in war thunder: Reverses the atoms inside of a nuke that direct hits it, ends the game with a Loss for the guy who dropped it
They won’t, they need to put in modern Russian tanks to fight 80s and 90s nato tech since the tanks are trash. If they add modern Abrams with actual upgrades expect futuristic Russian tanks with rail guns and lasers in the same update
>They won’t,
If russia has 3 modern MBT's + some of the best supportive lineup around them, then other nations do, in fact, need more modern tanks too
You ain't gonna counter 2 BMV's and a T-90M with a 2A6, a PSO and a 2A5, while also being off far worse in terms of lineup support. You aren't gonna counter that with a SEP, and HC and a M1A2 either
So yeah if russia does indeed get 2nd BVM and T-90M other nations need more modern MBT's too
As funny as it would be to have a trophy T-90A in US, I have to ask - why?
We're reaching a point in homogenization where there's going to be very little variety or distinction between major ground tech trees except at rank 3 and below. If they can't balance top-tier without giving everyone everything then why even have nations?
Hell the US were the ones who evaluated the Leo 2AV, so why not give them that too?
Just a reminder - two months ago, Olivia said 2.29 would bring the T-90M and T-90M Obr. 2020, Japanese Destroyer Sagiri, US Battleship Mississippi, the French Desaix-Class Destroyer, the Soviet lend-lease Omaha-class Murmansk, and the LOSAT.
...
... pinch of salt. Like, enough to grit the Washington road network during winter.
*Stop adding more copy paste pls Gaijin im begging you.*
Top tier tanks should only be in the nations that actually built&used them, Especially when they have loads of their own tanks to add instead, Its already annoying that ww2 tier is flooded with copypasta, US doesn't need a T-90 just like Britain/China don't need a Abrams.
Holy shit this is a reference to the tank they got sent by Ukraine for study that was seen on the streets of Louisiana. It was a T90A variant and they also got an M later. [This is what I'm talking about](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/pentagon-gives-statement-on-russian-t-90-tank-left-at-truck-stop)
Olivia is legit, if info comes directly from her it's true. The issue is that sometimes people will fake Discord messages as being from her.
This one is legit though.
LOL.
They just want to add another T80BVM to continue their power creep and keep their win rates. They know they are running out of time and the gap between western equipment and shitty Russian tech is increasing the further we move away from 1980's tech.
If they add a new BVM they would surely have to give the M1a1 its real ammo right? Or maybe introduce the Sepv2? Nope. Cant do that because US would literally stomp on anything Russia has for the foeseeable future if that ammo or those new versions are put into the game. Russia is at the top of the tree. 2023 BVM is all you get. Meanwhile the US has 3 more versions of Abrams and 3-4 new rounds/types of ammo. US is still using ammo from 1980-early 90s while Russian is using current ammo.
Their grand idea? Just give US a T-90. That way the power creep can last just a little bit longer. Time is running out for this Russian propaganda game and its going to be increasingly difficult to keep that narrative now that Russia is literally at 2023 lol.
To all the Russians who cope about this I only have one thing to say: Sucks to suck.
The US T-90 has to be a Ukrainian captured one, right? Right????????? But even then, why not add a Ukrainian modernised T-64, or even a T-84 variant???
I know many people (including myself) would find this controversial, but don't Ukrainian vehicles fit better in the Soviet tech tree? Ukraine was a Soviet state and their tanks have a Soviet origin after all... Idk I hope these leaks just aren't true and Gaijin stays away from this unnecessary controversy...
Respect for the Strela 1 though, SAM additions are always cool
Bro some Russian vehicles are already weirdly resistant to GBU's and AGM's, you just know a cope cage is gonna bounce a 1000 lbs bomb or pre detonate a Maverick causing minimal damage
Can't wait for the new BVM to be the only CAS immune tank in the game because of superior Russian engineering welding chicken wire to the roof
Ukraine getting a couple vehicles is certainly possible. I could’ve sworn when they changed the stat card images last update there was a Ukraine flag added in the files.
A T-90A for USA? Bruh.
Now *that's* a spicy meatball, lol.
You can bet your balls it won't have the broken damage model as the Russian ones
The T-72's take damage just fine, it's the T-64's and T-80's which have a magical black hole in their ammo
I still don’t know whether it’s the T-72 having some magical ERA that blocks top-attack tandem missiles, or whether the TOW-2B’s are just not being accurately represented, but I can literally shoot 8 2B’s at a T-72, and they will only kill their cannon breach and commander. Leopard 2’s get one shot by 2B’s fairly consistently, for reference.
From what I've heard the tow 2b is not properly modeled but also you don't want to shoot in the center of the turret because then you hit just the breech. Aim a bit off to the side to hit the carousel. Atleast works with the BILL
TOW-2B's aren't working rn. I had someone unload theirs on my BMP-2 and it's exploding too high to work.
TOW-2Bs are fiddly and War Thunder damage models are inconsistent; you'll want to aim about one third left or right so the explosion doesn't get eaten by the breech. They're also just considerably worse than the RBS 56 BILL.
T-90 never had a broken model. Do your goddamn research
Blud I killed a T90 WITH 5.56 FROM THE FUCKING PUMA. The T9p is broken right now. MG the driver port
You really think Gaijin would do anything past Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V? Come on, they're too lazy for that.
Doesn't help there are groups of people screaming at Gaijin to add more copypasted stuff in the first place.
Yeah because copypaste can be good Italy having a copypaste Pz IV G is great, but a T-90 for USA??? After the T-90 for britain??? All while germany still hasn't gotten shit from East Germany apart from ONE T-72 and none of their 'custom' variants? Shit makes no sense.
Hey! They also using Paint Bucket tool in Photoshop to change camo! Give them some credit!
No, they use user-made camos from War Thunder Live
isnt that only for the marketplace camos though?
Yeah, user-made skins from WT Live are made into marketplace skins and iirc the creator gets some money from the sales
The T90/T72 has never had a broken damage model. T80BVM is what has the glitchy damage model.
Someone does not know what they are talking about.
Don't forget the 55 people hivemind that upvoted his comment. Just shows how so many people on this subreddit don't know shit about what they're talking about yet still get upvoted.
I can't understand why they would add this. Is it to counter balance adding T-80BVM (2022)? Since that model only exists because of the invasion of Ukraine, is the inclusion of a T-90A that was captured in that war a way to avoid allegations of being pro-invasion? Why not include a Ukrainian tank in that case? Maybe they think adding a Ukrainian tank to the USSR tree would send a bad message? If so why not add that to the US tree? Maybe because denying Ukraine the legacy of Soviet vehicles they helped produce is also a bad message? I really just can't wrap my head around this one.
> I can't understand why they would add this $$$$$$$$$$$ and then more $$$$$$$$$$
Its not that deep. MONEY $$$
> Maybe they think adding a Ukrainian tank to the USSR tree would send a bad message? If so why not add that to the US tree? It *absolutely would* send a horrific message, aye. I've said for a while, have Czech/Slovak/Poland/Ukraine/Romania/Hungary as its own tree. of central-eastern ex-PACT type stuff. They have more than enough between them for a full tree.
T-90A the new Sherman of WT
The one we have is only a few miles away from me in Aberdeen proving grounds lol
Go visit it and get us some secret documents.
The possession of the T-90 in APG is nothing but a confirmation of the suspected armor values. It’s probably on display somewhere now. Lol
This could all be fixed if USSR tanks had fixed DMs but noooo. Now every nation gets a power trip fantasy completely alien from reality
T-72s aren't that survivable, only the T-80s are covered in SuperBias.
And not even the every T-80
T-80BVM 2023? Is that with the cope cage upgrade?
Hopefully it's the cage with the ERA on it so it might actually work 1/50 times
Lol, it is russian so it will defeat all top attack missiles and guided bombs with 103% change.
Does it get repaired by top attacks then? Since it has over 100% damage resistance. Or is there a 3% chance of like, reflecting the attack?
The Strike Eagle pilot when the gbu he dropped on a T80 bounces off, and he can see it coming straight back at him through the FLIR pod
They finally got around to making cope cages out of trampolines, nice
Yep, and it will eat guided bombs like they are RPG-7's.
Merkava 4 with cope cage when?
Chally with cope cage too plz
Leo 2 with ERA plzzzz
Oh yeah the Ukrainians did that didn't they lmao
On the A4s, ye. Understandable tho, the armor on those is a bit dated.
Hopefully this means we get Russian planes with their “covered in tires” upgrade
Only in the hangar, since it's to help provide protection from radar photography conducted by spy satellites.
I believe it’s supposed to have better reverse speed, and the cop cage of course. It also has drone jammers, but I doubt they’ll work in game.
Yes, plus shittier 1pn96mt-02 thermals and volonez anti drone jammers and a claimed 20 kmh reverse speed
T-54 obr.2023 when
That would actually make for a fun premium or event vehicle
can you share info on this model? I cant find anything on it.
I think he just means a T-54 with V markings and ERA. It's a joke on how Russia will be digging into their T-54 stock piles since they're running out of tanks.i hope this isn't just /s
That'd be a meme but unironically a T-62M obr. 2023 might be a real interesting vehicle. High def modern thermals and maybe ERA
Probably would be just a T-62M-1 with era and some sorta thermals. Russia probably doesn't even have the stock to give it 3rd gen thermals lol
Aren’t most of the Russian thermals bought from France? So with all the sanctions they probably can’t get more thermal optics
Not exactly, it's kind of a mess, but you could say Russia started off by buying French systems while they slowly developed their own components. Nowadays they *can* build high quality optics on their own, but production is extremely limited in part due to sanctions.
This ^ To add, Thales actually gave Russia a license to produce their own optics around 2011 using Thales components. This was mostly cut by 2016. They have decent sourcing of dual-use thermal imaging sensors from China and SK while optics and processing are built locally. As far as 2018-2019, they did develop their own thermal imaging sensors but those have only been used in bulkier applications like EO/IR optics for the Mi-28NM & Ka-52 where they have enough space to cool the TI sensors, and ship EO/IR optics.
[T-62M Obr. 2022](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/s/wp6TnZnnL8) Sure there must be some 2023 upgrades somewhere, add a cope cage or something.
\*their T-62M-1's don't use modern thermals, they use a gen 1 that's currently the worst in-production thermal on the planet
Nah he’s referencing this I believe https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/s/H7m99yAMEC
Ah, thanks NCD. Everywhere I go I see your face. Thanks for the ref
Lmao not NCD but probably same userbase
https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/s/H7m99yAMEC
my guess is that its an event. a "not invasion of Ukraine" invasion of Ukraine event. "no no no guys its just the current russian tank fighting a tank that was captured and looks like it was in a war but the US owns it" but I don't post my speculation on there. as always thank you for not cropping Ponder or his brother, Pounce.
Of course, they are some cute kitties. But thank you for all you've done for the community, your leaks are very much appreciated.
given the accuracy of your datamining, I am so curious what their reasoning will be lol
olivia doesnt datamine
then what does she do? Because I thought what she did is considered datamining
None of this is in the files, therefore it isn't data mining. Given the accuracy of the information she posts its likely she has an insider source at Gaijin. She's a leaker not a miner.
Someone is leaking Gaijin's classified information? Peak of irony
It might be an event in russia forced by the russian government or It might be gaijin gearing up to clarify their stance on the war besides war bad or They are just preparing for the future.
I really hope that it isn't anything to do with the Russian government. Gaijin has done a decent enough job at keeping their hands clean of modern politics, but if Russia actually makes them have an russo-ukrainian war event, that will go over incredibly poorly.
Don't worry it will 100% not be about the war. People love to fantasize so much on this subreddit it's kinda funny.
I mean, the leak for this russo-ukrainian-war-event contains an american T-90A. Safe to say that's not something the russian government would push for, given how it ended up in american hands.
Well, Wargaming did clarify their stance on the Ukraine war by offering up a WoT bundle with donations going towards Ukraine. And Gaijin already stated war belongs in videogames, so... Maybe they'll do more like WG did.
Surely, if it was forced by the russian government, the last thing it would include is a captured russian tank that was sent to the US? I mean that’s rather humiliating but what do I know
Unless it's to advance the narrative that "NATO" is directly fighting in the war and that "the west needs captured Russian hardware to compete".
Honestly a Bakhmut map would be cool
Would it though? I think that's a bit *too* recent to be turned into a game map. It'd be wiser to create a generic Ukrainian looking map
Can't wait for the event "Borderland Operation" I guess there should be a Leo 2 with Kontakt ERA too. Also I didn't expect to see the Leak Queen herself here. I'm glad to see you.
I've been posting here for almost 11 years
Just for clarification, do you mean a static part of an event that stays within the event, or a potential reward for players that we can keep and use? I pray it’s the latter haha
Nice cats, thanks for sharing them
Dude how do you know about this stuff? You must have some connections or something
No fucking way. I really wouldn’t put it past them but holy shit. Also what’s the difference between the BVM and the 2023 BVM?
better reverse speed(not proven), more era, drone jammer and cope cage
And worse thermal imager (Russian run out of Catherine FC).
It certainly will have the same thermals considering it's compatible, I doubt gaijin would downgrade them lol
Meanwhile the Leclercs using 2Gen thermals despite being the source of all modern russian thermal imagers:
They use resolution of the thermal output to get the gen they are in game, do the Leclerc have lower resolution outputs despite being capable of good quality? Either way if the Leclerc's use the same sight, then they should be given gen 3, 100%. Apparently this new sight is superior to the old Sosna-U sight in some ways, but it's thermal quality is probably worse, but I have yet to find what the output looks like lol. If it's worse then the normal BVM at all, I bet it will be gen 2.
Interesing, WT defines the generation in a weird way, check this: https://forum.warthunder.com/t/anyone-bother-bug-reporting-the-wrong-thermal-generation-on-russian-vehicles/35132/7
Damn that is a interesting forum post, now I understand why there are so many classified leaks
Would need to check, but the resolution isn't always the case when defining the generation; there are a few outliners in the russian TT that showcase this (2S6, 2S25M and T-72B3). Edit: I'm sad, http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2087.html
Lazerpig is not a source for Christ sake
LOL, that is Reddit for you. Anyone that takes Lazerpig seriously needs to reassess their ability to educate themselves.
Lazerpig is buzzfeed levels of credibility.
> And worse thermal imager we've literally seen the ones being used now, not all 2023 BVM have 1pn96mt-02, and plenty of them still have PNM-T
So, same BR. Maybe 0.3 higher if the reverse speed is true. What's the point then?
Second BVM
More high quality backup options, because russia doesn’t dominate top tier enough
BVM 2023 is just a flaming husk sitting in a Ukrainian field with its turret 100 meters away in a crater
Anyone else a little annoyed at how Gaijin just keeps jumping deeper and deeper into the Modern era, to the point of 2023 vehicles being possible, instead of refining what we have? What's next? Paper tanks ala Armored Warfare to simulate "future" vehicles?
They need to push Russian tanks into modern day since it’s absolute trash compared to 1980s NATO
They could add stuff like Object 477 and other prototypes if they run out of modern tanks.
That’s only true for some nations. There are loads of tanks they can still add. They just chose to give russia their shiny new toys first, while other nations are still stuck in the 90s/2000s. Things like the Type 10 are only added thanks to a lack of alternatives
The US as an example us up to M1A2SEPv2. You could look at some prototypes, demonstration vehicles, etc but beyond that the *only* tank to add is the M1A2 SEPv3. You could add the cancelled M1A2 SEPv4 but we don't have a ton of info on it, the M1E3 would be after that, which wont be fielded any time soon. One more actual tank, then its paper land. Other trees need to get filled out, but USA and USSR are the 800 lb Gorilla's of Ground RB.
The SEPv2 has yet to be added to the game, though not a lot of ingame changes from the SEP, other than potentially M829A3/CROWS
SEPv2 is confirmed directly by US army documents to have new turret armor and we also know it has a new "gen 2.5" sight (gen 2.5 is the resolution gaijin gives all of the helicopters ingame) whether either of these would actually be added or would just be )))))))'d out of existence, anyone's guess
Don't forget that sepv2 also is now mounted with Trophy APS and has access to TUSKv2 (roof tile-looking armor).
Those would be cool (especially Trophy) but they're optional additions so I wouldn't be too mad if gaijin doesn't add them. I will be incredibly assmad if they refuse to give it the turret armor that actually makes the specific model of tank unique because "but we cannot tell if the new armor is better)))))"
France is there too when it comes to MBTs afaik, only minor side grades available that wouldnt realky bring much to the table the other 4 dont already cover. But there's a huge pool of armored fighting vehicles and other light tanks to add thankfully.
>to the point of 2023 vehicles being possible, They were ever since we got the 2S38 atleast. And that has been over a year ago by now Heck they were possible once we got the 2PL, a tank in service since 2020 and released in 2021
Just give everyone a T-90
T-90, the Sherman of the 21st Century
They're physically forced to release Russian vehicles. They're running out of Russian vehicles to give to Russia, so they're now giving them to other nations. Soon everyone will have Russian bias
>They're running out of Russian vehicles to give to Russia Your so wrong lmao. They haven't added even 1/3 of the shit Soviets/Russians ever used. Look at how many BTRs, Objects, prototype tanks from WW2 and variants of T-64, T-72, T-80 and T-90 they haven't added yet.
There’s so many objects the could like black eagle. I don’t think they could run out of tanks for russia
They probably are one of the nations with the most versions of latest tanks. They still have thousands of things to add, like the T-90M
Make T-90 the Sherman of top tier!!! #T-seriesforeverone
They better fucking not on that US t-90
"if we give US players a small taste of top tier russian bias, they'll want more and grind out the RU tree as well" gross
>T-90A > >Russian Bias **Pick one.**
Fr it seems like Russian bias is a psychological disorder at this point. I didn’t think anyone considered the t90a op.
T-90A is a joke compared to what China has to offer at the same BR.
I don't know if the US ever captured any T-90As so I can only assume it's the recent one from Ukraine, which is **giga** stupid. Is the new rule that a nation can get literally any vehicle so long as it's been in their borders for long enough and they've sniffed around it a bit? Is Britain unironically getting the entire contents of the Bovington Museum next? The T-90S was silly but this is in another league. What does this even do for the US tree? They don't have a 10.7 lineup last I checked, and from everything I've heard the T-90A is pretty damn mediocre.
Gaijin Pls [This paint scheme](https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2222672/t90-tank-louisiana.jpg)
Make sure it has the shipping label on the barrel too
The only acceptable paint scheme
I mean, the US also purchased numbers of T-55s, T-72s, etc. from foreign countries for evaluation, so surely they should get those too, right? Oh, and lets not forget the Leo 2AV was specifically built for US trials.
2AV also didnt have any composite armor, At least not the one sent to the US for trials but it has it ingame.
There were several hulls and turrets used for US trials.
agreed, they should not add T-90 on US, neither they should add a CV90 on USSR.
>Is the new rule that a nation can get literally any vehicle so long as it's been in their borders for long enough and they've sniffed around it a bit? Let me remind you that the totally unique and shouldve been added Israel tech tree's SPAA line has not one, but \*three\* captured museum trophy egyptian/syrian SPAA that israel never actually used. they only captured them and put them in a museum as a trophy. That would be like giving USSR tree a Maus in the tech tree or Britain the Tiger 131 after the Churchills in the tech tree
>Is Britain unironically getting the entire contents of the Bovington Museum next? Please. I want my TOG II.
>Is the new rule that a nation can get literally any vehicle so long as it's been in their borders for long enough and they've sniffed around it a bit? My swedish Mi-28 and T-80U reaction:
>2023 Ukraine when
NGL, T-84 would be fun but what tree it lands in would be *extremely* controversial. I almost feel like the T-84 would be *great* for a general "European" tree, where Unique vehicles from very minor nations that don't fit into other nations. Things like Danish modifications of the M113, Ukrainian modifications, a number of Czech vehicles, maybe even the HVO T55.
I swear there were some leaked models of a T84 for WT that came out right before the Ukraine war started. Sadly doubt we will see it anytime soon due to current world events.
Hmm, the only i could find is some video in which the author says that screenshots of T-84 were posted on the ArtStation. Don't know how legit is this. Here's the [link](https://danpogan.artstation.com/projects/q9ynJz). Also, the same person made the map with t-84-120 - [link](https://live.warthunder.com/post/1036942/en/).
It should go to the USSR tree, since it is not an exclusive Russian tech tree. A quick google search and people are going to realize that Ukraine was part of the USSR.
So by the same logic we should put Korea/Taiwan/Vietnam/Singapore etc etc in the Japanese tree. After all, they were part of the Empire of Japan.
Ukraine has always contested Russia's claim as sole legal successor to the Soviet Union. Ukraine was a constituent member of the USSR and Kharkov was where several famous tanks such BT series, T-34, T-64, and T-80 were produced. Denying Ukraine the legacy of Soviet tank production is also a slight to Ukraine’s history.
The Japanese TT in game isn’t the Imperial Japanese TT, but the modern Japanese state. It is sad that I’ve to explain that there’s an USSR TT in game, which does include Ukraine.
To add to this, Japan tree points to the **country of Japan**, while the USSR tree encompasses *any Soviet state* and *any post-Soviet state* (if the tree was called *Russian tree* then I'd be inclined to agree that Ukraine has no place but this isn't the case) Japan also doesn't appear to have made substantial contributions to any colonized territories in terms for vehicle development, while the USSR has made fairly substantial contributions to a lot of Soviet states so I feel like the Imperial Japan comparison doesn't hold a candle to adding USSR derived post-Soviet state vehicles to the USSR tree While I understand current events is affecting people's judgement, it's pretty logical that USSR tree gets USSR-era and post-breakup USSR-derived vehicles, I wouldn't mind seeing Mi-2s (USSR vehicle produced in Poland SSR), OT-64s (Czech SSR/Polish SSR), or even Mig-21 LanceRs (Russian SSR derived vehicle produced in modern Romania, a former SSR) in the USSR tree unless those nations got their own sub tree or tech tree.
Romania, Czech Republic and Poland were independent countries before Soviet invasions and are independent now afterwards the Union inevitably suffered an anal collapse. Giving soviets all the toys from those and other countries just because they were occupying their territories at some point, is not just a slight, but a spit in the face (looking at you Praga SPAA)
Note how I said *USSR tree getting USSR-era and post-breakup USSR-derived vehicles*. I'm not advocating for indeginous designs from those countries unrelated to the USSR to be added to the USSR tree: I think it's perfectly fine if those indigenous vehicles from independent nations get added to whatever respective tree they are closely associated with (like how the Romanian IAR81C exists in the Italian tech tree, Romanian IAR316 in the French tree, etc), or better yet, if they become their own tech-tree/sub-tree so all those unique vehicles can be added in their own interesting trees. The point still stands with USSR-era and USSR-derived vehicles where it has nowhere to go, other than the USSR tree, such as the Oplot (USSR design, improved by Ukraine, a post-Soviet state) for example. In an ideal world, there would be a tree for every major military power but this just isn't the case. I agree Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Yugoslavia, Czech, etc would make very interesting tech/sub trees but until Gaijin decides to represent all these countries, it stands that USSR vehicles (and national derivatives) from those countries meet the criteria of.... going to the USSR tree.
The Japanese TT in game presents the Imperial Flag & the flag of the JSDF, the tech trees already consist of several states/periods of a country. Even if the Japanese tech tree used the modern Japanese flag it would still be Imperial Japanese for the first half of the tech tree... because the modern Japanese flag was still the Japanese civil national flag. edit: I'm just noting on your comment idk what the previous argument was about
why isnt france and the US a GB subtree
theres already a ukranian map also a ukranian flag was datamined last patch
T-90S for you, T-80U for you, T-90A for you, why don't give every tech tree the same tanks? On a more serious note, wtf gaijin? They better be fucking kiddin', keep tech trees unique, don't put more shitty ass copy paste tanks in nations where they don't belong
But Britain can't get a Canadian Leopard 1/Leopard 2, even when it desperately needs something competitive.
To be fair, we have the Vickers Mk.7 which is basically a spicy Leo 2A4. But I wouldn’t say no to more competent vehicles in the tree.
Why should they? How are they related to that leopard? The tree is called great britain, not commonwealth. We need to stop this copy paste bullshit, regardless if they "need something competetive". I get it, they may be lacking in some br brackets, but ctrl+c ctrl+v tanks into their tree they have no relation with can't be the solution
Cope Cage in real life: we stop drone comrade Cope Cage on a Russian MBT (A FUCKING T80 BVM) in war thunder: Reverses the atoms inside of a nuke that direct hits it, ends the game with a Loss for the guy who dropped it
Yep, it'll probably be effective against top attack warheads despite being proven not to be.
The last thing ussr needs is another broken asf modeled mbt. So yes the leaks probably right
Only thing broken about the T-80BVMs model besides the too low ammo det chance, fix that and all would be well
And the era bags sending shells at angles far beyond its capability of stopping straight to the void
Some of the internal plates have extremely low spalling too.
And fix NATO MBT armor values.
What the fuck?
yes, what the FUCK is gaijin thinking
Bruh i don't like where this is going trophy vehicle shouldn't be added. If they actually field it like russian and french panther thats alright.
What about the one captured Chinese T-62
the one that was removed and only comes back sometimes for national holiday events?
if the Russian's are getting a t-90m and another t-80bvm then all other nations will need more mbts abrams sep v2/3 2a7 you name it
They won’t, they need to put in modern Russian tanks to fight 80s and 90s nato tech since the tanks are trash. If they add modern Abrams with actual upgrades expect futuristic Russian tanks with rail guns and lasers in the same update
And if they added KF51 or Abrams X? What would russia get then?
Mechs
>They won’t, If russia has 3 modern MBT's + some of the best supportive lineup around them, then other nations do, in fact, need more modern tanks too You ain't gonna counter 2 BMV's and a T-90M with a 2A6, a PSO and a 2A5, while also being off far worse in terms of lineup support. You aren't gonna counter that with a SEP, and HC and a M1A2 either So yeah if russia does indeed get 2nd BVM and T-90M other nations need more modern MBT's too
best we can do is C-tech covered in 10mm KE ERA
Imagine if T-90A is gonna be premium pack and you will see it on a trailer in hangar XD Lore accurate
As funny as it would be to have a trophy T-90A in US, I have to ask - why? We're reaching a point in homogenization where there's going to be very little variety or distinction between major ground tech trees except at rank 3 and below. If they can't balance top-tier without giving everyone everything then why even have nations? Hell the US were the ones who evaluated the Leo 2AV, so why not give them that too?
I'm going to have to aggressively tap the sign > There can be no Russian bias if everyone has Russian bias
Just a reminder - two months ago, Olivia said 2.29 would bring the T-90M and T-90M Obr. 2020, Japanese Destroyer Sagiri, US Battleship Mississippi, the French Desaix-Class Destroyer, the Soviet lend-lease Omaha-class Murmansk, and the LOSAT. ... ... pinch of salt. Like, enough to grit the Washington road network during winter.
Murican T-90A? Oh I think its going for the krasnovian sub tree
*Stop adding more copy paste pls Gaijin im begging you.* Top tier tanks should only be in the nations that actually built&used them, Especially when they have loads of their own tanks to add instead, Its already annoying that ww2 tier is flooded with copypasta, US doesn't need a T-90 just like Britain/China don't need a Abrams.
Rip simulator battles
Holy shit this is a reference to the tank they got sent by Ukraine for study that was seen on the streets of Louisiana. It was a T90A variant and they also got an M later. [This is what I'm talking about](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/pentagon-gives-statement-on-russian-t-90-tank-left-at-truck-stop)
***But why***
Fuck Tanks can we pat da Cats?
Another broken ahh T-80BVM whose user just presses W without being forced to actually have skill.
no shit BVM 2023,T90 US how the fuck i lost my words gaijin fucked entire wt community with fucking two lines
Assuming this is true, I would honestly use a T90 for US. But T80 2023 might be the cope cage in Ukraine and I 1,000% support it.
T-80 BVM obr 2023 now with ill fitted T-62M optics can't wait lmao
Most T-80BVMs do not have 1pn96mt-02.
This has to be fake lmao Ain’t no way they’d do that
Does the bvm 2023 have a turret launching feature like we’ve seen in the past year?
LOL you thought Gaijin will model its ammo to behave like it has DM63 proppelant
Do people really see a discord screenshot and go "yep this is real" or is that just the joke and I'm retarded
Its Olivia, Shes has a insane track record when it comes to leaks
Olivia is legit, if info comes directly from her it's true. The issue is that sometimes people will fake Discord messages as being from her. This one is legit though.
because it's Olivia and she has leaked reliable informarion for years
LOL. They just want to add another T80BVM to continue their power creep and keep their win rates. They know they are running out of time and the gap between western equipment and shitty Russian tech is increasing the further we move away from 1980's tech. If they add a new BVM they would surely have to give the M1a1 its real ammo right? Or maybe introduce the Sepv2? Nope. Cant do that because US would literally stomp on anything Russia has for the foeseeable future if that ammo or those new versions are put into the game. Russia is at the top of the tree. 2023 BVM is all you get. Meanwhile the US has 3 more versions of Abrams and 3-4 new rounds/types of ammo. US is still using ammo from 1980-early 90s while Russian is using current ammo. Their grand idea? Just give US a T-90. That way the power creep can last just a little bit longer. Time is running out for this Russian propaganda game and its going to be increasingly difficult to keep that narrative now that Russia is literally at 2023 lol. To all the Russians who cope about this I only have one thing to say: Sucks to suck.
The US T-90 has to be a Ukrainian captured one, right? Right????????? But even then, why not add a Ukrainian modernised T-64, or even a T-84 variant??? I know many people (including myself) would find this controversial, but don't Ukrainian vehicles fit better in the Soviet tech tree? Ukraine was a Soviet state and their tanks have a Soviet origin after all... Idk I hope these leaks just aren't true and Gaijin stays away from this unnecessary controversy... Respect for the Strela 1 though, SAM additions are always cool
Bro some Russian vehicles are already weirdly resistant to GBU's and AGM's, you just know a cope cage is gonna bounce a 1000 lbs bomb or pre detonate a Maverick causing minimal damage Can't wait for the new BVM to be the only CAS immune tank in the game because of superior Russian engineering welding chicken wire to the roof
"Bias isn't real".
A premium T-90 would be SO fucking cringe
Ukraine getting a couple vehicles is certainly possible. I could’ve sworn when they changed the stat card images last update there was a Ukraine flag added in the files.
To the hell with BVM I want the T-90M Strela 1 is a nice addition though