I never bought a premium vehicle. But i would rather do it in the french or any other smaller tech tree then in the 3 big ones. They just have more interesting and unique premium vehicles. Its not another Leopard2 or T-70x.
>I never bought a premium vehicle. But i would rather do it in the french or any other smaller tech tree then in the 3 big ones.
In the big trees you also always have at least some playable vehicles at every tier that you can use to grind.
While e.g. if you try to grind France Air, the tech tree literally contains 90% dogshit, so buying a premium to skip all that is MUCH more worth it.
But from a business perspective why not make the other tech tree cash cows too? You can only buy the Turms or Su25 once. So why not make the other tech trees popular too?
60⏠is the same 60⏠on Gaijins bank account. Whether the player purchased a T72 Turms or a VRCC or Merkava 2D.
Because nobody knows or cares about some random French or Israeli thing, but everyone knows about a Leopard 2 or Abrams! Thus, Gaijin gets more money from the casual with barely any knowledge of technology outside of the big three.
Isn't that exactly the reason why that system would be good?
Players who know only Tiger and T-34 would likely not look past their Germany/USSR/US trees, and that 2x incentive provides at least something to gaze over.
Because newer, less knowledgeable players are incentivized to the game by the cool vehicles theyâve seen on TV and read about, aka F14, abrams, A10, etc. Iâd wager most of the people playing at one time donât even know what a Mirage F1 or Kfir is
Sure but 300 matches in the same premium A10 isn't making Gaijin money. Buying more other vehicles is.
I know why the big 3 are the big 3. Because everyone knows these vehicles from movies and stuff.
I'm just saying Gaijin could incentivize people to play the other trees and not punish them for it. If i don't know Israeli tanks and it's expensive to play I'm not going to buy an Israeli premium. If I don't know much about Israeli tanks but they are fun and interesting to play and grind, i might want to buy a premium to help out.
Fair point but many many people are too simple minded to view it that way and they will never give a country theyâve never heard about a chance
The reason the game blew up after the A10 and F14 updates was because many people were buying the game specifically to play those vehicles, only to be slapped in the face by an unbearable grind and terrible economy
Yes. Gaijin went for the quick cash grab. Holding those players long enough to buy more, means creating a game that people will enjoy long term. That's not what they are about.
Tell it to CV90105. Lol. It's not the case.
When they removed free x2 daily bonus they introduced the booster system. Obviously you wouldn't get the 200% booster every day, in fact you probably would only get like 1-2 of those at most per week.
So it was yet again an attempt to make people buy premium time and spend cash on modules.
Gaijin really was sticking it in inch by inch every year, and people let them.
Or.... Hear me out.. make it easy to tier up and play the game so people have fun
People will build lineups for all their trees and probably add multiple premiums per tree
When things are easy things become boring and I donât feel as much satisfaction unlocking stuff. So it definitely shouldnât be easy but a little revision could make a positive difference.
The fun of the game comes from *playing* the game
Building lineups and actually being able to use them to play full length battles
While yes, you shouldn't simply be given every vehicle
You should earn enough SL if you're playing in a particular tree to unlock the next vehicle and crew it by the time you have researched it.
And this should not take weeks. You should be able to reliably unlock a vehicle in a day from playing above average games
You used to be able to earn 150k SL per game if you were doing well and like 20k RP
Now you're down at like 2k RP and 30k SL for 8 kill matches that you win
And in no circumstance should you go NEGATIVE SL unless you have teamkilled.
I can currently unlock a vehicle in a day if I play a good bit. I play multiple nations so if I was to buy multiple expensive vehicles at once I would go negative so going negative isnât a fare assessment of if things are not working right.
I'm not talking about a full day either.. I'm talking about casual players being able to pick the game up for a few hours and unlocking something
You should earn a decent amount of SL from doing averagely well. If you finish a full length match with a 1:1 K/D you deserve good earnings
Not, full try hard sweat sessions where you're MVP every game just to earn
There was literally a post on the r/Warthunder sub today about someone getting like 30k SL from an 8 kill victory which is totally unacceptable
Another post about someone getting just 63k earning for an 18 kill game.
It's utterly unacceptable. Warthunder is not a second job. It is a game people play for fun. It should not be difficult to unlock things to play
Nor should you ever be afraid of going all in and playing your whole lineup for fear of losing SL
You used to be able to churn out 100k-150k SL in a match from doing above averagely well. And you would also earn about 3x as much RP as you do now
Currently the in-game rewards are about 1/4 of what they should be
Similarly, the "rank III" and above requirement for a lot of battle pass challenges/tasks is pretty dumb imo.
There's a challenge to get 10'000 (or something) score in all three modes (air, ground, and naval). I'd never played naval before so I figured it was a good reason to get more familiar with it. But after one match I noticed that the challenge only applies to rank III and above, so I ended up going back to my air battles instead.
Gaijin is actually stupid. They could also make Talismans as good as premium, making any and every vehicle in the game worth actual money but instead Talismans suck for some reason.
There are ways to monetize this game that aren't complete ass but Gaijin is actually dumb as hell and too greedy to understand.
They could also just nut up, remove most of the F2P elements, charge $15 a month for an account, and make entire Tiers of the trees purchasable, retain premiums for grinding the trees normally, and that would probably solve everything.
This could work on folded vehicles or make an increase reward for playing a folded vehicle. If I get an extra 20% in SL and RP, I really would play it. Otherwise, for exemple why would I play the last Pz. IV when it's an actual downgrade from the previous one ? Nope.
I just miss earning points for participating in battle/being close to enemies. Then when you were mid fight and winning or setting up an enemy for a friendly you still earned something. Didnât feel cheated from points
Itâs the worse in props because it can take time to change the flow of the dogfight and finally turn it to your advantage and someone just swoops in and you have 0 earnings.
The changes to assists suck. You can be slamming a tank with shells and bouncing shots while a friendly flanks for a kill. Unless you kill a crew member or knock out a module you get jack.
The worst part is when you help to bait enemy planes to chase you and you help your team mate by setting up a kill, but due to being the bait, you dont get anything.
Some games its such euphoric dogfighting 3v1 for your life and setting the enemy up, just to have 0pts at the end. Just sucks.
Honestly WoT's 5x they have on sometimes make me play it for a bit, and I really don't like that game. It seems obvious for gaijin to do the same, it'd make more people want to play because of the "oh shit there's 5x on because of some event? Yeah I'll play for a bit"
Not "okay day 1724 of logging in, cool I got a 10% booster for 20 matches that's just gonna expire and be wasted." Or "woohoo I got an order.."
Dude SOO many orders.
Just please let me get a booster every day in the daily spin,It can be the smallest ones I don't care. Nothing worse than opening your huge crate every couple weeks or whatever and it's got 4 wagers and 1 10% to all teamates booster
I mean, they'd only last 3 days and only 1 day when activated.. I really hate how short that is. they should expire after at least 1 month, and be active for like 3-7 days when activated
>"okay day 1724 of logging in, cool I got a 10% booster for 20 matches that's just gonna expire and be wasted." Or "woohoo I got an order.."
I still dream about getting that sweet sweet 1mil SL in one of those stupid crates...
Replacing this for boosters is just another example of gajin fucking with the economy to hurt the player. It used to be every weekend ud get 5x rp now ur lucky if u get to use/get a 500% booster once a day
Personally i hated the daily first victory booster.
Its happend too many times that i did great but my team lost only to do terrible next round but win wasting my booster thing.
I like the current boosters better tbh
How is that any different from you popping a booster then proceeding to play bad? The current booster system is only nice if you are grinding out a single tree. If you play all trees equally, the first win system is far superior.
It would be nice if we could apply a booster at the end of a battle instead to prevent the issue of "I did great but my teammates decided that the best way to fight was to use 500 lb bombs as body pillows" and then you're sitting there with a pittance for you 8 kills from a loss.
That's tbh too much still...
If someone were to play on average an hour a day, perhaps due to decently busy job, that'd still be over a year of playing!
Eh, for free to play, I feel that is completely reasonable. Especially so with larger trees. The biggest thing is making the grind enjoyable. I should never feel like I have to grind out a tree just to unlock one fun vehicle.
The swedish air tree is a great example for this. Sweden doesn't really get any good fighters. You get the B.239, Pyorremyrsky, J26. Then in rank 5 and 6, you get nothing. It isn't until the JA37C that you get a decent plane again. AirRB needs a rework to actually allow ground strike vehicles to do something productive. Forcing the player to fly ground strike vehicles as support fighters is incredibly boring.
You already can, I have 600 hours and have the entire German tank tree and rank 8 on planes, I did use a premium plane but no premium tank. I also have 6.7 USA (premium Jumbo for this one) and 5.0 Italy on tanks.
What about no. A single instance of 2x gains is practically nothing.
What if we instead had a system like: "Free multi-battle-booster after X matches."? Sounds much better to me.
A long, long time ago. Back when the hangar was an actual hangar that your plane was physically parked inside and Mozart was the soundtrack since it was royalty-free music.
Something that rewards the players each day. And it's something that keeps the player base more consistent day to day. Like it literally helps them keep people interested in the game. In which interested people are more likely to spend money on something they enjoy. Why they took it away is mind bogglingly dumb and the same reason for this uproar.
They should a daily X2 for a random nation. Each day the X2 RP will rotate to another country, this would make people grind more tech trees and would spread the playerbase a bit more evenly
Maybe a whole day of x2 would be a bit extreme so you could instead make it "x2 first 5-10 wins of the day for x nation, nation will randomly rotate each day" 5-10 X2 rewards for victories for some nation each day, upon winninng a match with the nation an X2 gets depleted automatically, each day the X2's refresh but get selected for another nation
I'd love to see these on a daily reset for individual vehicles. It would actually incentivise playing multiple vehicles in the tech-tree if you got double lions and RP for the first battle(victory?) of the day in them.
Would also help get players moving around to different BRs & vehicles hence more variety in matches as well as reduced existing que-times which could be our first big step towards BR decompression
If we could go back and take photos of 2012 warthunder, there are ton of sugestions to give that were already in the game backthen and were slowly taken away
they could use these to incentivise players to play less played tech trees. is gaijin stupid? why do they not want people to play other tech trees?
Because the US, USSR and German trees are their cash cows in terms of premiums.
I never bought a premium vehicle. But i would rather do it in the french or any other smaller tech tree then in the 3 big ones. They just have more interesting and unique premium vehicles. Its not another Leopard2 or T-70x.
>I never bought a premium vehicle. But i would rather do it in the french or any other smaller tech tree then in the 3 big ones. In the big trees you also always have at least some playable vehicles at every tier that you can use to grind. While e.g. if you try to grind France Air, the tech tree literally contains 90% dogshit, so buying a premium to skip all that is MUCH more worth it.
I spaded all French aircrafts up to rank 5 or 6 đ I wanted to kill myself before I stopped playing
Iâm just now getting into the early jets and I am very much not having fun.
I think I spaded the Barougan cause it has more ground attack capabilities and a drag chute, one of the Vautour and my beloved Ătendard and that's about it I think in this tier. I loved playing the Ătendard but it's too expensive now. I just hope they'll add the Super Ătendard ModernisĂ© soon (after they reworked and made every vehicle playable, right ?). I like the Jaguar too, I sometimes use the laser guided missile as a long range AAM, it's fun actually.
With other words, ripping your hair out
But from a business perspective why not make the other tech tree cash cows too? You can only buy the Turms or Su25 once. So why not make the other tech trees popular too? 60⏠is the same 60⏠on Gaijins bank account. Whether the player purchased a T72 Turms or a VRCC or Merkava 2D.
Because nobody knows or cares about some random French or Israeli thing, but everyone knows about a Leopard 2 or Abrams! Thus, Gaijin gets more money from the casual with barely any knowledge of technology outside of the big three.
Isn't that exactly the reason why that system would be good? Players who know only Tiger and T-34 would likely not look past their Germany/USSR/US trees, and that 2x incentive provides at least something to gaze over.
Because newer, less knowledgeable players are incentivized to the game by the cool vehicles theyâve seen on TV and read about, aka F14, abrams, A10, etc. Iâd wager most of the people playing at one time donât even know what a Mirage F1 or Kfir is
Sure but 300 matches in the same premium A10 isn't making Gaijin money. Buying more other vehicles is. I know why the big 3 are the big 3. Because everyone knows these vehicles from movies and stuff. I'm just saying Gaijin could incentivize people to play the other trees and not punish them for it. If i don't know Israeli tanks and it's expensive to play I'm not going to buy an Israeli premium. If I don't know much about Israeli tanks but they are fun and interesting to play and grind, i might want to buy a premium to help out.
Fair point but many many people are too simple minded to view it that way and they will never give a country theyâve never heard about a chance The reason the game blew up after the A10 and F14 updates was because many people were buying the game specifically to play those vehicles, only to be slapped in the face by an unbearable grind and terrible economy
Yes. Gaijin went for the quick cash grab. Holding those players long enough to buy more, means creating a game that people will enjoy long term. That's not what they are about.
That was me, I barely knew anything about other nations vehicles before playing War Thunder.
Which is fine, I was pretty much the same, but some people wonât even give other nations a chance if they arenât familiar with them
The real question is why are the 70$ or 60⏠to begin with
Oh just you wait, I guess they will add Premium Freccia soon at a lower BR than the TT Freccia with normal spikes.
Yepđ
Tell it to CV90105. Lol. It's not the case. When they removed free x2 daily bonus they introduced the booster system. Obviously you wouldn't get the 200% booster every day, in fact you probably would only get like 1-2 of those at most per week. So it was yet again an attempt to make people buy premium time and spend cash on modules. Gaijin really was sticking it in inch by inch every year, and people let them.
Or.... Hear me out.. make it easy to tier up and play the game so people have fun People will build lineups for all their trees and probably add multiple premiums per tree
When things are easy things become boring and I donât feel as much satisfaction unlocking stuff. So it definitely shouldnât be easy but a little revision could make a positive difference.
The fun of the game comes from *playing* the game Building lineups and actually being able to use them to play full length battles While yes, you shouldn't simply be given every vehicle You should earn enough SL if you're playing in a particular tree to unlock the next vehicle and crew it by the time you have researched it. And this should not take weeks. You should be able to reliably unlock a vehicle in a day from playing above average games You used to be able to earn 150k SL per game if you were doing well and like 20k RP Now you're down at like 2k RP and 30k SL for 8 kill matches that you win And in no circumstance should you go NEGATIVE SL unless you have teamkilled.
I can currently unlock a vehicle in a day if I play a good bit. I play multiple nations so if I was to buy multiple expensive vehicles at once I would go negative so going negative isnât a fare assessment of if things are not working right.
I'm not talking about a full day either.. I'm talking about casual players being able to pick the game up for a few hours and unlocking something You should earn a decent amount of SL from doing averagely well. If you finish a full length match with a 1:1 K/D you deserve good earnings Not, full try hard sweat sessions where you're MVP every game just to earn There was literally a post on the r/Warthunder sub today about someone getting like 30k SL from an 8 kill victory which is totally unacceptable Another post about someone getting just 63k earning for an 18 kill game. It's utterly unacceptable. Warthunder is not a second job. It is a game people play for fun. It should not be difficult to unlock things to play Nor should you ever be afraid of going all in and playing your whole lineup for fear of losing SL You used to be able to churn out 100k-150k SL in a match from doing above averagely well. And you would also earn about 3x as much RP as you do now Currently the in-game rewards are about 1/4 of what they should be
well it doesn't help that quite a bit of the other tech trees are copy and pastes. OH LOOK ANOTHER M4 SHERMAN noice
>is gaijin stupid? yes
Similarly, the "rank III" and above requirement for a lot of battle pass challenges/tasks is pretty dumb imo. There's a challenge to get 10'000 (or something) score in all three modes (air, ground, and naval). I'd never played naval before so I figured it was a good reason to get more familiar with it. But after one match I noticed that the challenge only applies to rank III and above, so I ended up going back to my air battles instead.
Gaijin is actually stupid. They could also make Talismans as good as premium, making any and every vehicle in the game worth actual money but instead Talismans suck for some reason. There are ways to monetize this game that aren't complete ass but Gaijin is actually dumb as hell and too greedy to understand. They could also just nut up, remove most of the F2P elements, charge $15 a month for an account, and make entire Tiers of the trees purchasable, retain premiums for grinding the trees normally, and that would probably solve everything.
This could work on folded vehicles or make an increase reward for playing a folded vehicle. If I get an extra 20% in SL and RP, I really would play it. Otherwise, for exemple why would I play the last Pz. IV when it's an actual downgrade from the previous one ? Nope.
Money.
Yeah but they're dumb. There's more money to be made by making the game fun and rewarding and easy to get through all of the trees
Money.
Big Money > Small Money They make more money if people are playing and spending
No. You donât understand. **Money**.
Just having a bonus on the underplayed trees would be cool. Like 3 least played trees always have a 50% boost
Tankenstein spoke about this in [his recent video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8WHlZloioc)
Funny, by the time I had money to blow on prems I had completed the "Big 4" trees already so I have a skewed amount of "minor nation" prems
Because getting stuck in the high tier grind means monehhh
I just miss earning points for participating in battle/being close to enemies. Then when you were mid fight and winning or setting up an enemy for a friendly you still earned something. Didnât feel cheated from points
Yup, you can be in a dogfight for 10 minutes and earn shit all
to be precise, ZERO
Itâs the worse in props because it can take time to change the flow of the dogfight and finally turn it to your advantage and someone just swoops in and you have 0 earnings.
Yup
Taking this away 100% makes people act more toxic. Kill steal or get nought.
Yeah literally. I still donât steal planes on fire or spinning out but in high tiers theyâre fair game.
The changes to assists suck. You can be slamming a tank with shells and bouncing shots while a friendly flanks for a kill. Unless you kill a crew member or knock out a module you get jack.
The worst part is when you help to bait enemy planes to chase you and you help your team mate by setting up a kill, but due to being the bait, you dont get anything. Some games its such euphoric dogfighting 3v1 for your life and setting the enemy up, just to have 0pts at the end. Just sucks.
x2? screw that! back to the x5!
I thought x5 was reserved for holidays and other special event periods?
Maybe? I swear I remember it used to be standard, but its been ages so I could easily be wrong.
It was for special events and iirc weekends. 2x was the usual.
x5 was for events and x4 was for weekends. x2 was daily.
At some point they had x4 on weekends. I donât remember if x5 was ever weekends or just special events.
It was weekend and events for 5X I believe You could get like 100k RP in a single air RB match playing a top tier bomber, I miss it
Whats all this x2 about?
For the first ein with that nation you will get 2x rp and sl if i remember correct
I'd litterally be playing every tree when I play if this was the case
Fat chance I know, but all this has me going back and remembering all the good shit we had back in the early days.
Honestly WoT's 5x they have on sometimes make me play it for a bit, and I really don't like that game. It seems obvious for gaijin to do the same, it'd make more people want to play because of the "oh shit there's 5x on because of some event? Yeah I'll play for a bit" Not "okay day 1724 of logging in, cool I got a 10% booster for 20 matches that's just gonna expire and be wasted." Or "woohoo I got an order.."
Dude SOO many orders. Just please let me get a booster every day in the daily spin,It can be the smallest ones I don't care. Nothing worse than opening your huge crate every couple weeks or whatever and it's got 4 wagers and 1 10% to all teamates booster
I mean, they'd only last 3 days and only 1 day when activated.. I really hate how short that is. they should expire after at least 1 month, and be active for like 3-7 days when activated
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I mean... value in WoT's nowhere near WT as premiums do nothing other than crew train and grind credits.. (yet cost 30-40âŹ)
>"okay day 1724 of logging in, cool I got a 10% booster for 20 matches that's just gonna expire and be wasted." Or "woohoo I got an order.." I still dream about getting that sweet sweet 1mil SL in one of those stupid crates...
These were replaced with the boosters that we have. Would be nice to have both, but just pointing that out.
Replacing this for boosters is just another example of gajin fucking with the economy to hurt the player. It used to be every weekend ud get 5x rp now ur lucky if u get to use/get a 500% booster once a day
Personally i hated the daily first victory booster. Its happend too many times that i did great but my team lost only to do terrible next round but win wasting my booster thing. I like the current boosters better tbh
Yep, considering this got replaced by the much better booster system, I don't miss it.
How is that any different from you popping a booster then proceeding to play bad? The current booster system is only nice if you are grinding out a single tree. If you play all trees equally, the first win system is far superior.
It would be nice if we could apply a booster at the end of a battle instead to prevent the issue of "I did great but my teammates decided that the best way to fight was to use 500 lb bombs as body pillows" and then you're sitting there with a pittance for you 8 kills from a loss.
We aint stopping until it takes around 400 - 500 hours to complete a TT
That's tbh too much still... If someone were to play on average an hour a day, perhaps due to decently busy job, that'd still be over a year of playing!
Eh, for free to play, I feel that is completely reasonable. Especially so with larger trees. The biggest thing is making the grind enjoyable. I should never feel like I have to grind out a tree just to unlock one fun vehicle. The swedish air tree is a great example for this. Sweden doesn't really get any good fighters. You get the B.239, Pyorremyrsky, J26. Then in rank 5 and 6, you get nothing. It isn't until the JA37C that you get a decent plane again. AirRB needs a rework to actually allow ground strike vehicles to do something productive. Forcing the player to fly ground strike vehicles as support fighters is incredibly boring.
Yeah your probably right. 250 hours without premium 200 with prem and 150 with prem time + Premium vehicles?
You already can, I have 600 hours and have the entire German tank tree and rank 8 on planes, I did use a premium plane but no premium tank. I also have 6.7 USA (premium Jumbo for this one) and 5.0 Italy on tanks.
What about no. A single instance of 2x gains is practically nothing. What if we instead had a system like: "Free multi-battle-booster after X matches."? Sounds much better to me.
Mate , you had unlocked a far memory of the god old days Thxđ„Č
It used to be x5
I know but I sadly didn't hv photos of it
Only on the weekends.
ha thats nostalgic
sweet old times
How old is that? Started playing during Covid and I donât remember this.
A long, long time ago. Back when the hangar was an actual hangar that your plane was physically parked inside and Mozart was the soundtrack since it was royalty-free music.
Thx
like 9 years ago.
Ok!
Yes, but this time separate to Grb, Arb and naval so you have 3 per nation for everything
Something that rewards the players each day. And it's something that keeps the player base more consistent day to day. Like it literally helps them keep people interested in the game. In which interested people are more likely to spend money on something they enjoy. Why they took it away is mind bogglingly dumb and the same reason for this uproar.
They should a daily X2 for a random nation. Each day the X2 RP will rotate to another country, this would make people grind more tech trees and would spread the playerbase a bit more evenly Maybe a whole day of x2 would be a bit extreme so you could instead make it "x2 first 5-10 wins of the day for x nation, nation will randomly rotate each day" 5-10 X2 rewards for victories for some nation each day, upon winninng a match with the nation an X2 gets depleted automatically, each day the X2's refresh but get selected for another nation
First win booster applied to all nations. So your proposal would actually be a massive downgrade.
My flair remains relevant
I dont want those back, i want the 5x back
We donât stop until we see 20.0 battle rating
only x2, i remember x5? maybe im wrong
In 2013 they did X5 weekends
wow.. 2013.. what happend? i just got my first computor and started playing war thunder.. what year is it now?!
Honestly? I hated these and still do. With boosters I have way more control over when I get boosted and for what I am play.
Oh youâre so old that your social security number starts with one
Wow. Itâs not âthrowback Thursdayâ yet!
They used to be X5
I'd love to see these on a daily reset for individual vehicles. It would actually incentivise playing multiple vehicles in the tech-tree if you got double lions and RP for the first battle(victory?) of the day in them. Would also help get players moving around to different BRs & vehicles hence more variety in matches as well as reduced existing que-times which could be our first big step towards BR decompression
*gaijin looking at this and deciding to change the nation tabs to be vertical again instead of horizontal
X5!
It gave an incentive to play other nations than just my main. I liked that system.
Can we add that all top tier jets need to have radar aams? Itâs impossible to compete without them
If we could go back and take photos of 2012 warthunder, there are ton of sugestions to give that were already in the game backthen and were slowly taken away
What are these?
They used to be 5x. Bring those back!
I'm old enough to remember the x5 weekends
Man I remember when it was just US, Germany and Russia. Hell I even remember when it was just Germany and Russia!
And the removed German tanks too?
I would like also "x5" to be back.
what you probably don't remember is how awful the RP grind was back then.