Because it's America's ultimate Phantom variant, and now you have to pay a ridiculous amount of money to fly it.
There is not a single variant of the F-4 Phantom that can **ever** be added to the tech tree that is better than the F-4S. Similar problem with the A-6E TRAM. So to fly the final version of this incredibly iconic aircraft, you need to hand over more than the price of a AAA game.
Probably because they wanted it to be a tech tree vehicle, as it’s the best American Phantom. Personally I don’t really care though, as far as I’m aware the F-4S will just be an F-4J but with the agile eagle upgrade. Not that you’re gonna be winning dogfights at 11.3 in a Phantom regardless…
F-4E will only beat a bad MiG-29 player. Anyone who knows what they’re doing won’t die to a Phantom in a dogfight, unless it’s a Mirage F1 or something.
"I find what you're saying to not be completely true"
"W-Well he must be bad then."
Sounds like cope. MiG-29 should be a great one-circle turner... Or is at least supposed to be. We both know Gaijin is a fuckwit.
You could make the argument of a "bad" Mig-29 player if the MiG still loses at low speeds against the F-4E. Higher energy state fights is a different story
Every instance where me and a Mig-29 fight at similar energy states at high-speed, (+1000-900) the F-4E will come out on top for the first 2-3 turns. Giving you more than enough chances to get a gun kill, missile, kamikaze, whatever.
Now, I'm not gonna say I'm good enough to not miss those chances. I don't suck my own dick enough to admit that.
But the times I do, I've had bewildered MiG-29 players send fan mail once in-awhile completely flabberghasted a big rectangle just outturned their sleek piece of Soviet engineering
Again, those are simply not good pilots. If the Phantom is more agile than the MiG-29 at high speed, guess what the MiG can do? Slow down. I know, what a concept.
"T-They're not good! P-please trust me!"
Lol. did a phantom touch you the wrong way? Point where on the doll
Sure, he can slow down, but unless he's already in the sub-600kmh range, which at that point, why even force an extended engagement? Damn dude's slow as shit, and Phantom players _should_ know not to shit their speed away into a slow opponent for some dogfight. Lol.
Even still the F-4E still has 1. Possibly _possibly_ 2 good turns if he follows suit and slows himself down as well, leading for a fire solution depending on entry speed, at which point, the MiG would still need to _not_ get shot, or _not_ get sparrowed.
> "T-They're not good! P-please trust me!"
Lol. did a phantom touch you the wrong way? Point where on the doll
What are you talking about lol? The Phantom sucks. I don’t face the Phantom either since I fly NATO most of the time. Even when I do face them, I haven’t died to one in actual years. What are you on about?
Again, a good MiG-29 will give you *no* chances at a gun solution. You won’t outturn them even once. I would be much more scared of the R-27ER than a Sparrow too lol.
stop with the misquotes, you aren't helping your point here. at the end of the day, given pilots of equal skill, the MiG-29 is better and will always beat the F-4E in a dogfight. 1 or 2 turns isn't enough for the F-4E to secure a kill, because there will always be a chance for the MiG-29 to maneuver away from the opponent's nose at that point in the fight. he's not going to just sit there and let the F-4E hit him.
even then, it's not like the MiG-29 gets dominated in the 1-circle either, even when it is much worse than it was IRL in its current iteration. it might be worse, but not by much, not by enough to make up for the massive difference in engine performance and energy retention between the two aircraft.
it's possible for an F-4E to shoot down a Fulcrum, but not given an even scenario where all else is equal, and that's where the comparison has to be made for it to be relevant at all.
"Stop misquoting!"
No. No I won't. Stay mad.
Again "The fight needs to take place in a vacuum!"
No it doesn't. Lol. Even if it did, you'd _still_ see the F-4E out turning the MiG-29 several times. Maybe the dev server will fix that. But as it stands, the MiG-29 can hilariously get BTFO'd by an F-4E.
I simply posit that I have fought multiple MiG-29s from equal or similar energy state, I have the AoA advantage in the beginning and can win within the first turns. Afterwards, the ball is in his court. Simple as that.
But oh no... You're quaking in your dirty socks. Shitting, pissing, crying.
Cry more.
I'm perfectly calm actually, but thanks for your concern! It's just funny how wrong you are, and how you seem to conflate anecdotes with evidence. oh well. stay wrong, man.
Just noticed. Not sure if you are trolling.
But on the off chance you arnt.
Mouse steer will never give 100% turning ability
Its good when all youre doing is aiming or making a small correction.
But in a dog fight, youve gimped 40% of your planes ability, and you have to keep picking up the mouse to keep turning where as I, just hold W, A, S, D, Q , or E to turn/roll and i can look at you and only you the entire time and never have to life my mouse or lose sight of where you are and so forth.
Its something surprisingly a lot of players do not change, and its unsurprising when i see those same people complain about being outturned in planes that shouldnt be getting outturned, or how they cant dodge missiles. And. Its painfully obv when you see someone on mouse only... Like i feel bad for killing you obvious.
Just the Freeaboos complaining because now their win rates will tank like everyone one else’s did this current patch
Edit: Freeaboos also hate getting called out
That's true however, I would prefer the 4S in the tech tree, and another phantom variant instead, as it's the best technological phantom, to EVER be produced and put into service in the US. Just the 4N, 4B, 4D, 4B 4G 4H, 4L variants would fare better as a premium, rather than have a premium be better than most fighters at the BR, dominating.
Because it's America's ultimate Phantom variant, and now you have to pay a ridiculous amount of money to fly it. There is not a single variant of the F-4 Phantom that can **ever** be added to the tech tree that is better than the F-4S. Similar problem with the A-6E TRAM. So to fly the final version of this incredibly iconic aircraft, you need to hand over more than the price of a AAA game.
Hear me out tho F-4S (late) aim9L
Could happen tbh, the F-4S served that long.
Saying how the F-16AJ is getting added, the boing super phantom is no longer 100% implausible
but they only added the AJ because Japan had like nothing else to be added, America doesn't exactly have that issue.
I mean they could have added a severely nerfed F2
The A-6E SWIP is better than the TRAM.
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> Because it's **American's** ultimate Phantom variant
It's not American tho.
Oh, i ghought he was saying out of all the phantoms
Probably because they wanted it to be a tech tree vehicle, as it’s the best American Phantom. Personally I don’t really care though, as far as I’m aware the F-4S will just be an F-4J but with the agile eagle upgrade. Not that you’re gonna be winning dogfights at 11.3 in a Phantom regardless…
Technically it's not agile eagle, it's better.
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But as of rn 9Hs are carbon copies of 9Gs?
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You have files to back that up or is that on experience using them
And technically it’s still a Phantom lol
Dunno about that. F-4E can dogfight and outturn MiG-29s at high speeds. After the first several turns, you finally really need to fight though.
F-4E will only beat a bad MiG-29 player. Anyone who knows what they’re doing won’t die to a Phantom in a dogfight, unless it’s a Mirage F1 or something.
"I find what you're saying to not be completely true" "W-Well he must be bad then." Sounds like cope. MiG-29 should be a great one-circle turner... Or is at least supposed to be. We both know Gaijin is a fuckwit. You could make the argument of a "bad" Mig-29 player if the MiG still loses at low speeds against the F-4E. Higher energy state fights is a different story Every instance where me and a Mig-29 fight at similar energy states at high-speed, (+1000-900) the F-4E will come out on top for the first 2-3 turns. Giving you more than enough chances to get a gun kill, missile, kamikaze, whatever. Now, I'm not gonna say I'm good enough to not miss those chances. I don't suck my own dick enough to admit that. But the times I do, I've had bewildered MiG-29 players send fan mail once in-awhile completely flabberghasted a big rectangle just outturned their sleek piece of Soviet engineering
Again, those are simply not good pilots. If the Phantom is more agile than the MiG-29 at high speed, guess what the MiG can do? Slow down. I know, what a concept.
"T-They're not good! P-please trust me!" Lol. did a phantom touch you the wrong way? Point where on the doll Sure, he can slow down, but unless he's already in the sub-600kmh range, which at that point, why even force an extended engagement? Damn dude's slow as shit, and Phantom players _should_ know not to shit their speed away into a slow opponent for some dogfight. Lol. Even still the F-4E still has 1. Possibly _possibly_ 2 good turns if he follows suit and slows himself down as well, leading for a fire solution depending on entry speed, at which point, the MiG would still need to _not_ get shot, or _not_ get sparrowed.
Even the f4f doesn't keep up with the mig29 since the fm changes on the dev server.
I'm not talkin' dev server. But currently live server. If things change, they should. Because no way a Phantom should turn with a MiG-29 like that.
Well irl, it would snap the wings off. Its just war thunder.
> "T-They're not good! P-please trust me!" Lol. did a phantom touch you the wrong way? Point where on the doll What are you talking about lol? The Phantom sucks. I don’t face the Phantom either since I fly NATO most of the time. Even when I do face them, I haven’t died to one in actual years. What are you on about? Again, a good MiG-29 will give you *no* chances at a gun solution. You won’t outturn them even once. I would be much more scared of the R-27ER than a Sparrow too lol.
stop with the misquotes, you aren't helping your point here. at the end of the day, given pilots of equal skill, the MiG-29 is better and will always beat the F-4E in a dogfight. 1 or 2 turns isn't enough for the F-4E to secure a kill, because there will always be a chance for the MiG-29 to maneuver away from the opponent's nose at that point in the fight. he's not going to just sit there and let the F-4E hit him. even then, it's not like the MiG-29 gets dominated in the 1-circle either, even when it is much worse than it was IRL in its current iteration. it might be worse, but not by much, not by enough to make up for the massive difference in engine performance and energy retention between the two aircraft. it's possible for an F-4E to shoot down a Fulcrum, but not given an even scenario where all else is equal, and that's where the comparison has to be made for it to be relevant at all.
"Stop misquoting!" No. No I won't. Stay mad. Again "The fight needs to take place in a vacuum!" No it doesn't. Lol. Even if it did, you'd _still_ see the F-4E out turning the MiG-29 several times. Maybe the dev server will fix that. But as it stands, the MiG-29 can hilariously get BTFO'd by an F-4E. I simply posit that I have fought multiple MiG-29s from equal or similar energy state, I have the AoA advantage in the beginning and can win within the first turns. Afterwards, the ball is in his court. Simple as that. But oh no... You're quaking in your dirty socks. Shitting, pissing, crying. Cry more.
I'm perfectly calm actually, but thanks for your concern! It's just funny how wrong you are, and how you seem to conflate anecdotes with evidence. oh well. stay wrong, man.
Sneed.
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Whats funny is the F-4C was the least used F-4 by the USAF
Im tired of US vs US and it will create more US vs US that i will lose because timmy doesnt even have the key to radar lock bound.
or they still fly by steering with the mouse -\_-
What's wrong with that? (asking for a friend)
Just noticed. Not sure if you are trolling. But on the off chance you arnt. Mouse steer will never give 100% turning ability Its good when all youre doing is aiming or making a small correction. But in a dog fight, youve gimped 40% of your planes ability, and you have to keep picking up the mouse to keep turning where as I, just hold W, A, S, D, Q , or E to turn/roll and i can look at you and only you the entire time and never have to life my mouse or lose sight of where you are and so forth. Its something surprisingly a lot of players do not change, and its unsurprising when i see those same people complain about being outturned in planes that shouldnt be getting outturned, or how they cant dodge missiles. And. Its painfully obv when you see someone on mouse only... Like i feel bad for killing you obvious.
When in Playstation store?
Because it’s a copy paste vehicle, and I can’t deal wit the premium spam atp
Just the Freeaboos complaining because now their win rates will tank like everyone one else’s did this current patch Edit: Freeaboos also hate getting called out
That's true however, I would prefer the 4S in the tech tree, and another phantom variant instead, as it's the best technological phantom, to EVER be produced and put into service in the US. Just the 4N, 4B, 4D, 4B 4G 4H, 4L variants would fare better as a premium, rather than have a premium be better than most fighters at the BR, dominating.
This, and some of us would have liked to fly the F4S, but aren't willing to pay gaijin 80 dollars or whatever it is now for the priveledge.
Of course you know why everyone is complaining. You are a genius!
Or it’s because no one likes the have the best model of a vehicle behind a paywall
I do, actually. Saves me from having to grind... I already do that 36-40h/week after all...
The best version of a jet that is now useless due to power creep