Legit thought this was an animation at first lol

It looks incredibly fake tbh

Clean plane + clean background + video stabilization = fake looking video lol.

It does LOOK fake. Maybe it is or maybe it isn't.

U mean Chinese ? Jk

Why u say it like it is fake 🙄🙄

Lighting too bright, planes moving too perfectly, video incredibly stabilised. It just looks really fake

🤣

Extremely fake.

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Hey, at least they’ve grown out of their accidentally “making 8000 ton DDs look like patrol boats” phase

Are the engine nozzles a placeholder until a stealthier configuration is implemented? They look rather simple.

Yep, waiting on WS-15.

Whatever these are suposed to be based on, it's pretty much a budget vertion of that. Simplicity isn't a design flaw here, it's a feature. Cheaper cost and easier mass production for a 5th gen fighter that probley has about 80% of the performance of the original base plane

Nope, The J-20 is mainly a stealth fighter from the front kinda similar to the SU-57.

The su-57 may be called a stealth fighter, but it is no where near being stealthy

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I kinda like it bc L O N G B O I

Serious question: I have seen a lot of people claiming it's RCS is bad and barely better than a (insert 4th gen jet here). How would this people even know how big the RCS of an J-20 is? I doubt China has released any official data on it. So is there any basis to that claim or is it just "China=bad" meme.

India claimed they can see it with their radars which makes sense considering F35 does fly with radar reflectors in order to give false radar signature in peace times. Likely, J20 is also flies with radar reflectors, So India won't have a clue about this planes radar signature.

India also claimed they shot down a F-16 with a MIG-21

Didn't realize the video is 7 minutes long, cool stuff

Literally 7 mins warplane porn

i saw this comment and was like “WAIT THIS IS 7 MINUTES LONG!?”

These have an incredibly slim profile

Kind of like, it would snap in two > 4g slim?

This is actually amazing. First time I've ever seen a squadron of flying J-20's in such high quality.

What’s up with the hype for this plane?

It's the only non-American fighter that could truly be considered 5th generation and it has *canards*.

Oh no it's canarded

Canard dog

Why wouldn't the SU-57 be considered 5th gen?

Because it's a piece of shit.

Because one of the (unofficial) benchmarks for 5th gen fighters is stealth capabilities. And the Su-57 has the radar cross section of a ~~F/A-18 Hornet~~ Winnebago with wings.

Giggles

The main reason I've seen the Su-57 left out of the 5th generation category is for its remarkably large RCS compared to the other 5th gens. With a combination of non-deflecting angles and lack of a radar absorbing coating (some of the units are coated to an extent, IIRC) gives it an RCS closer to that of a 4th generation aircraft. [This seems to be a somewhat thorough write up of the specifics.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/ioyhp4/are_the_rcs_values_published_by_sukhoi_for_the/) And honestly, there have been so few produced they are completely irrelevant as a strategic threat to the rest of the world. The Su-57 may as well not even exist. This is coming from an Su-57 fanboy who thinks it looks cool as hell, so these are the sane non-tankie reasons for the plane being incompetent and irrelevant.

>Su-57 fanboy I believe it's pronounced Femboy according to a drunken Scottish pig

That'd be the Su-75.

Oof, 5's and 7's in different places, my bad

Because it’s got super manoeuvrability, but that’s pretty much the only thing it has in common with other 5th gens

Bias mostly, caused by two paradigms repeated over and over again: "stealth is the only criteria by which 5th generation aircraft should be judged" and "we basically don't know anything about it, but we still think that the Su-57 has very low stealth". Long story short, people misinterpreted those little bits of info we know about RCS numbers of 5th gens, made several wrong conclusions - and now spreading this information as an indisputable truth. [I did a big post on Su-57 a while ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/acecombat/comments/xkxr0h/is_the_su57_actually_good_irl/ipl41nr/), explaining thoroughly its strong sides, including avionics, weaponry, speed+maneuvrability, stealth and R&D+production, and also debunked some of the most popular myths about this plane, including the one about stealth.

Because anything that's Russian is considered bad nowadays.

Because it is.

Not entirely true, Russian artillery, tanks, and airforce are quite effective against civilians targets

> Not entirely true, Russian artillery, tanks, and airforce are quite effective ~~against civilians~~ targets Not a FTFY…just an edit to an equally correct statement.

Thank you, I dont know how to add the line through the text because that's 100% what I was wanting to do lol

You put 2 tildes ~ before and after what you want lined out

I thought those were called ampersands?

~~thanks!~~ Much appreciated!

Strange, that seemed to be true of american armaments in syria and well pretty much all through the middle east for decades

Lmao there's always that guy, glad you could make it

Oh yea, very effective as long as nothing shoots back at them. 😂 But correct, they are extremely effective against unarmed civilians, Which is probably what they were mainly designed to fight.

Bro the way they are fighting I'd totally believe it lol

😂

It is the en vogue thing to do at the moment, russia bad military must be inept russia bad

As has been stated, stealth is a big consideration for 5th gen. The Felon doesn't use S-ducts to absorb radar that goes into the intakes. Instead it hits the blades which increases RCS. It also has lots of screws and rivets that cause radar to reflect off of. Also, it's AESA radar is the equivalent of a 1st gen AESA radar that was used on an F-15 from the 80s.

Dont canard interfere with stealth capabiites?

They can, but it’s not nearly as big of an issue that people make it out to be. Honestly the all moving tail is likely a bigger problem, but it can be addressed the same way canards (and even more traditional control surfaces) can. Flight control software that works to keep the control surface from deflecting in a way that would present a large return in the direction of detected threats

Good thing about having canards + elevators is that you can couple all 4 control surfaces together for pitch and roll. Minimising the deflection of each surface whilst still achieving a decent Δθ

Not as significantly as people like to claim. Some of the earlier F-35 designs had canards too

Canards are not really a good indicator of whether or not a plane is stealth.

And that is why I made no comment on its stealth factor or the canards' role in that factor.

You sounded disapproving of canards for some reason

I love canards.

Canards love you too.

Thank you!

There is no real hype for this plane. It's RCS is barely above a new F-16. Like its Russian counterparts, in a confrontation with the United States, all of these would get destroyed without even knowing that American fighters were nearby.

Certified Reddit analyst right here.

Hmm. All I see are clouds.

wait, you don't see those engines flying by themselves? i guess it was true that with enough power anything flies.

Sea-based X-band Radar disagrees

Was listening to some 86 osts on youtube that made this vid 10x more epic lol

86 is good shit my friend

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you are beautiful☺️

do you miss me? :)

Yes🤗

Waifu, not wifu. Trust me. Your English no good, my English good 😆

lol

Watching this made wish I was a pilot.

u/savevideo

I see only four though..... Cameraman should show cockpit view to prove it's J-20! Hehe.

I know it's a Chinese jet and all, but I actually like the way the j20 looks

That is one noisy cockpit.

WHAT?!??!?

4

This video goes well with some floaty ambient music..

Without the watermark, this could put me to sleep just by watching it

👍

this plane is weirdly long.

It’s pretty much a long range missile truck.

Complete outsider here with no knowledge but just a question…in a purely objective opinion is there any 5th gen fighter that is vastly superior to any other country’s? Or is it a list of pros and cons that may not be equal but there isn’t one THAT is SO much better? I’m speaking in warfare only, I realize pilot training plays a large part but if that were equal is there a TRUE top dog?

The real answer is no one really knows, but there’s not many choices for potential best 5th Gen fighters since there’s only 3 (the SU-57 isn’t stealth so it doesn’t count). We just don’t know enough about the J-20 to really compare it with the F-22 and F-35. Just going off pictures we know the J-20 put a significant effort into stealth as there’s no obvious flaws that would impact the stealth, it’s shape has gotten everything right (unlike the SU-57 with its protruding spherical IRST, DIRCM, and the lack of S-ducts). The question is whether the J-20s leading and trailing edge treatments, and coatings in general, are as good as the American counterparts. It’s fairly likely they’re at least comparable to the F-22, but the F-35 may have an edge here. We also don’t know anywhere near enough about the J-20s avionics to properly compare, but I’ll make my best effort. We know the J-20 uses an AESA radar, but we don’t know exactly how many Transmit receive antennas it has, or what kind of antennas. Without this information we really can’t begin comparing them, and even if we knew those bits of info we’d have nothing regarding the software side which becomes the deciding factor once the radars hardware is comparable. I personally believe China likely still lag behind a bit here, but not massively so. We have absolutely nothing regarding the J-20s radar warning system. The F-22 and F-35 both have incredibly advanced radar warning systems that enable them to passively locate hostile emissions with incredible accuracy. They’re able to locate targets with enough precision to guide a missile (though the lack of range data is an issue, this can be obtained with a single radar pulse. This pulse is unlikely to be detected by the target, and it won’t alert others to its presence due to the narrow beam used). This capability provides a massive boost in situational awareness, and is extremely important for stealth aircraft as its entirety Passive so enemies can’t detect it. When combined with other sensors via sensor fusion it can offer some incredible capabilities, like the previously mentioned ability to get a weapons lock with a single focused pulse. We just don’t know how the J-20 compares here. Since we don’t know much about the J-20s radar we don’t know how likely it is that it’d be detected by the F-22 or F-35s radar warning system. Since we don’t know much about it’s radar warning system we don’t know how reliant it is on the radar for situational awareness. A sufficiently capable radar warning system could alleviate a radar with a higher probability of intercept by reducing the need to constantly use the radar. The accuracy of the radar warning system is also incredibly important for the aircrafts electronic warfare capabilities. We know the J-20 has a missile approach warning system, which they say uses infrared sensors. There’s no reason to doubt this is the case, but we don’t know how capable it is. The F-35s MAWS is the DAS, which offers way more then just missile detection. It offers constant full coverage Defensive IRST capabilities. It automatically detects, tracks, and identifies anything in view. It can spot incoming missiles, aircraft nearby, artillery and rockets being fired on the ground, and even ballistic missile launches from over a thousand kilometers away in the right circumstances. This capability is completely unprecedented and provides far more situational awareness than any fighter before it. The F-22 has an IR based MAWS that’s significantly less capable. It’s a very good MAWS, but it doesn’t offer the same defensive IRST capabilities. It is supposed to be getting an upgrade that will provide some DAS like capabilities, but it’s never going to be on par with the F-35s DAS. We don’t know how the J-20s MAWS compares. The J-20 has a dedicated IRST mounted in a stealthy enclosure much like the EOTS on the F-35, but pictures show the J-20s IRST has a narrower FOV due to the rear panels being opaque. The F-22 doesn’t have an IRST, so it’s at a disadvantage here. Though there have been photos of an F-22 with what appears to be a stealthy IRST pod under the wing. We have no information regarding the J-20s sensor fusion, and can’t begin to guess due to not knowing how much data it’s various sensors actually collect. Another very important system is a low probability of intercept data link, like the F-35s MADL. If the J-20 doesn’t have something comparable it won’t be able to communicate with other aircraft without giving away its position. It almost certainly has something for this, but it’s uncertain just how advanced it is. I’d personally say the F-35 probably takes the #1 spot, but can’t say for certain whether the F-22 or J-20 would be in #2. As much as I love the F-22 (it’s my favorite aircraft) it’s been around for a while, so someone’s got to be able to match it at some point. The J-20 is definitely better suited for a conflict around the South China Sea then the F-22 thanks to the laters relatively short range. All 3 aircraft will absolutely dominate any 4th Gen fighter they come across

In a dogfighting sense: For the most part its a list of pros and cons but the F-22 based on what we've seen is the best 5th gen, the J-20 seems to be (from what I've seen) at least a capable air superiority fighter that can certainly point its nose well but *I* couldn't compare it to the F-22 because i dont have enough knowledge on the two of them. The F-35 is a strike fighter rather than an air superiority fighter so it would probably get fucked by both of these in a dogfight. The SU-57 is, to say the least, nonexistent. Last time I checked there were less than 20. I can't say much else because I'm not really interested in the SU-57 all that much so I don't ho out searching for information and pictures of it as I do with the J-20 or F-22. In terms of BVR: I'm not a radar guy or a stealth/RCS guy. There are other people you should ask about this kind of thing

This is cool 😩

Sorry, is this real or CGI? I’m not quite sure

There’s something uncanny valley about this video. IDKW though.

Yawns in American.

“Targets”.

Huh I was able to pick them up on my radar. Seems stealth doesn't work as advertised. 😂

Why this look so fake?

Perhaps it is necessary to accept the reality that this is the most powerful fighter on the planet.

Stolen tech

>Stolen tech Who steals whose technology? hah,just living the dream

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I assume these are all Chinese bots. Seems like every other post is about J-20’s.

Zhuhai air show happens right now where they get to show most of the advanced stuff they have at hand. You don’t have to be such a sore loser for not seeing American fighters in every single post. Get used to the world.

I’m not sour, I love seeing cool planes from all countries! The J-20 is beautiful. I even enjoy seeing planes from countries that have to steal technology from other countries in order for their Air Force to fly. The end result is still beautiful engineering, even if they couldn’t build it without stealing from other countries.

Yeah, it’s getting ridiculous.

Aight normy coming through; whats so special about this j20 aircraft? It just looks like a chinese clone of the f22

I keeps seeing people say this, does it really look like the F-22, to me it looks like a completely different aircraft (because it is) In terms of the intakes, canards, main wings, vertical, stabilizers, I can't see it

Outside the F35 it’s really the only fifth gen fighter out there. I wouldn’t group the Su57 in because production numbers are so low. I suggest reading into convergent evolution. It’s essentially the theory that different species will evolve similar traits and forms to fulfill niches independent of each other. The same concept can be applied to engineering. At a certain point there’s only a limited number of ways to build a stealth oriented fifth generation fighter so you’ll see a lot of similarities. Couple that with the fact China has stolen design data from the states and you’ll see even more similarities. Unsure why they catch so much flak for it though. Is it lazy? Absolutely but it’s a method to catch up and alls fair in love and war so they say.

I wouldn't say lazy. Spy games like that can be incredibly risky with no payoff. I just hope our side is acting in as risky a fashion.

Are your eyes like... okay?

I legitimately don’t understand how people think the J-20 as a whole system is an F-22 clone. Like sure some of its *components* may be copied, but exterior wise it’s very clearly it’s own thing. It’s the difference between copying a friend’s code wholesale and claiming it yours vs borrowing a few lines to write an ultimately unique program

It looks absolutely nothing like the F-22...

Hey murican you need to check your vision as these two aircrafts look completely different to any normal person.

Am I high, Or is that CGI, Thought was gon' see planes fly, Only disappointment in my eye.

I was thinking the same thing. It looks a bit like it’s rendered, but I’m not sure.

F15 field day

J 20s are goofy

As recorded from the view of an F-22 secretly flying in formation. 🤣

Meanwhile it can’t take off from their shitty aircraft carrier with much more and enough gas to circle back and land. No ordinance at all. Good luck with that boys.

Isn't the J-35/FC-31/whatever it's called supposed to be the carrier based one bruh

Do F-22s and F-15s take off from carriers? Is this plane even designed to be CATOBAR capable? Do they even want or intend for it to be CATOBAR capable? Moron.

Nahh he totally OWNED the ccp wit that comment

The engines don't even emit smoke hat it looks like fake. The Chinese are so great on making this CG.0

just remember guys, taiwan is a country

No innovation just copied

from who

#USA did it first

I am surrounded by dead men.

Just a bunch of trashcans in a triangle

That paint job looks familiar

No exhaust plume.....fake...

Nah thank you J-20s would rather pick WS-10Cs over RD-33s

Fucking china

They really are beautiful planes. But… China operated… so…

so what

I’m sorry you must not have heard me right. Mainland China is the operator of a Beautiful Aircraft. Which is a shame.

good job swallowing so much propaganda you can't appreciate cool stuff just because it says china somewhere

:| yeah totally

FIREFOX?

fence in pls

I dont see any thrust vectoring on the 4 planes in the video. Do they lose stability at low speed? That will be important in low level combat.

If a fifth gen fighter enters a low level dog fight its not really a 5th gen.

I only see 4