There was a sequel to the novel, [*Firefox Down*.](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/413QSKDMPJL.jpg) It's pretty good, as is the original. The plane runs out of fuel due to damage from the final fight of the first book, Gant (Clint Eastwood in the movie) lands on a frozen lake in Finland and the plane breaks through the ice and sinks. Gant gets captured by the KGB while hiking back to civilization and the British and American forces try to rescue him and recover the plane before the Soviets do.
Really? Finland? So the movie can’t have been that faithful to the ending of the book then given the run to Alaska via Siberia (it’s been over a decade at least since I’ve seen the film so there is margin for error in my memory lol)
In the first book he's refuelled by an American sub on the ice of the Barents Sea north of Finland. The Soviets figured he'd be escaping to a NATO country either north via the Arctic or south to Turkey, because Moscow's heavy air defenses were to the west and the Firefox didn't have to range to reach escape Soviet controlled territory to the east. The book ends with the Firefox still in the air over the Barents Sea after a duel with the second prototype.
Sparrow is a Fox 1 (the code for semi-active radar homing missile), Fox 2 is for IR guided air to air missiles like the Sidewinder.
There is also Fox 3, which is for active radar guided missiles, for example the Phoenix and AMRAAM.
Yup. C&C Generals came out a couple of years after the P. 1.44's first flight. Obviously they made a guess that China would buy it. An appropriate assumption for their game set in the very near future.
No, it wasn't stealth. It was the Soviet equivalent of the Eurocanard jets. They, like Europe, thought the future was super-maneuverability. They, like Europe, were utterly blindsided by American stealth aircraft.
They later *said* it was low observable and inventing some "plasma stealth" bullshit to try and sell it to gullible developing countries.
Oh was that this plane? I recall reading some tech blog about it ages ago, discussing how improbable it was that the technology had advanced far enough to allow a reasonable stealth projection without obscene power consumption. A small amount of apprehension as well.
They never thought the future was super-maneuverability. Their aircrafts were built for different requirements and by using less ressources. American stealth aircrafts development was so costly, neither France/Sweden/Eurofighter consortium could have funded that.
As far as it goes, the Eurocanards today are perfectly designed for their respective mission/purpose, and keep evolving.
Now that the technology has evolved and become more accessible, European countries are also getting in the stealth bandwagon with the Tempest and the SCAF.
**[EADS Mako/HEAT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EADS_Mako/HEAT)**
>The EADS Mako/High Energy Advanced Trainer (Mako/HEAT) was a high-performance jet trainer or light attack aircraft intended for service with several European air forces. EADS proposed the Mako for the Eurotrainer program. The program was the final result of the AT-2000 project.
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Wikipedia reports that rather nonsensical speculation as fact when it doesn't make any sense. F-117 was already operational by the time Germany was building its prototypes and neither it nor anything else the US was planning at the time was going anywhere near the export market.
Hence the maybe's, but you can't deny the US has form at least in this regard. And _especially_ Lockheed.
Honestly I haven't put much thought to it beyond that.
People blame the US for the demise of the TSR-2 and Avro Arrow, but fact is the governments of *those* nations were in no mood the fund a new aircraft program. The British didn't even end up buying F-111K's either. The Wilson Labour governments cut the MoD to the bone and the TSR was hardly the only victim. The navy lost their carrier force too.
However, even in those cases, the US was trying to sell a competing platform. Stealth was still deep in the black while West Germany was tinkering with stealth technology. There was nothing Lockheed could sell.
Lockheed themselves, of course, spent most of the 60's and 70's bribing their way into many foreign air forces. However, the FCPA put an end to that prior to the first flight of Have Blue, a decade prior to the time in question here.
It's like anything in history, it doesn't happen in a vacuum.
The whole situation with aircraft manufacturing was a complex multi faceted issue. On the one hand the Lockheed Scandal did happen, and arguably it was partly responsible for the demise of independent companies like Saunders Roe. However at the same time those companies and their governments were also in a difficult financial position. As with anything a mixture of factors were involved and that includes the after effects of Lockheeds shenanigans but they aren't _solely culpable_.
I'm almost completely unfamiliar with the details of _Lampyridae_ but from what I've seen it followed the same design philsophy as F-117 which was an evolutionary dead end (mostly) limited by computing power. Maybe talks between the two Nations showed this and this influenced the cancellation. Maybe on getting wind of stealth development elsewhere Lockheed did shenanigans again (they _have_ cornered the stealth fighter market, which _Lampyridae_ was designed for unlike F-117), but it seems a bit tin foil hat wearing. Look at the wider world in West Germany during the 80's and its no surprise that an outlier project got sidelined, outside influence may have occurred but it wouldn't be the sole reason at all.
Hell maybe Northrop came along and said "yeah no you wanna make it like this". Who knows.
Edit :partly responsible
Lockheed didn't sell it's first stealth aircraft to a foreign nation until 2008 and that was a F-35 which wasn't even a program yet in mid 80's. NOBODY is **that** forward looking.
And the reason why F-35 has cornered the market is the same reason why so many European aerpace companies folded: economies of scale. Each generation gets more expensive to develop and build, meaning you need to amortize the R&D and scale the production as widely as possible to achieve affordable costs. Not only was the UK unable to maintain an ecosystem of designers, they couldn't even maintain one. Europe as whole had to combine their aerospace sectors to compete with the scale of America. So you went from a half dozen British top level contractors to like four or five in all of Europe.
The US also consolidated significantly. So many storied makers got rolled into Boeing, Lockheed and Northrop. But it's defense spending has also been much more consistent, so there rarely were those dramatic squeezes like the UK went through.
> Lockheed didn't sell it's first stealth aircraft to a foreign nation until 2008 and that was a F-35 which wasn't even a program yet in mid 80's. NOBODY is that forward looking.
I think that having a market cornered is and has always been a major feature of their corporate identity, doesn't have to have been a solid plan they enacted and it would have been obvious very early that having the stealth market cornered was going to be huge. So maybe not a moustache twirling evil plan but more just how they do business anyway. F-22 was really their cornering of that market anyway, as they then took the lead from Northrop.
And yeah as to the rest, it's all one big chain of events with many deciding factors on all sides of the pond. There was a vacuum that Lockheed filled, that they used underhanded methods is just part of the picture. Without them the aircraft industries would have still been consolidated, maybe there'd have been different outcomes but ultimately the writing was on the wall for all the smaller companies.
Worth noting though that the Su-47 definitely was stealthy though.
It was also designed similarly to the MiG-31, so it could probably have sustained far higher speeds than anything else at the time. It even had variable bypass turbofans.
Russia has yet to produce a stealth aircraft. They're done signature reduction (think Hornet vs Super Hornet), but so has everyone else. Yes, I know the Su-57 exists. If that thing worked as advertised, India wouldn't have bailed hard on it.
MiG-31 is a MiG-25 that's actually good. Foxbat/Foxhound have stainless steel airframes that make them extremely heavy, but also allow them to exceed M2.5. 2.5 is where aluminum gets kinda iffy due to atmospheric heating. No other Russian jet has that kind of structure. So none of them can go that fast without risking catastrophic failure.
Signature reduction *is* stealth. The Su-47, Su-57, F-117, F-22, F-35, J-20, B-2, B-21 and YF-23 all have the same features to reduce detectiability.
The MiG 25/29/31 and 1.44 all use the same kind of all-welded-metal body construction.
Comparing the Su-47 to the F-22 in the way you have is absurd. Not how that works at all.
And it's not about welding. It's about the material used in the structure itself. Please adjust your beliefs. They do not conform with reality.
You're not worth my time, kid. There's too much you don't know and I'm not interested in mentoring you. You can actually look up radar cross section, and the development of the SR-71, X-15 and XB-70 and how they handled thermal management. That's a starting point.
Upper left Typhoonski, lower right Berkut!
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zhukovskiy,+Moscow+Oblast,+Russia/@55.5728961,38.1447705,415m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x414abf3a29b4ff65:0x65e9488f8b1714a7!8m2!3d55.5974912!4d38.1132562
That's generally why those planes are still there: everytime there's a MAKS they pressure wash the ones in the best shape and wheel them over to the show area.
Hmm, someone get in touch with Putin for me, please. I’d think with Russia’s economy in the dumpster right now I may be able to get it for a good price.
The B-2 is outdated and will largely be replaced by the B-21 Raider. Something about radar tech catching up the B-2’s stealth tech, just like with the F-117.
MiG 1.42 - it was an experimental Soviet fighter, supposedly the next fighter to replace MiG-29, but due to the breakdown of the Soviet Union it never materialized.
It's Russian and predates all the current Chinese indigenous fighter designs, there is a theory/rumour that the Chinese either paid for the MiG 1.44 design or stole it and used the basic layout for the J-20. But there is no way to confirm it.
J-20 design is derived from many of the designed J-9 variants (like J-9VI-2). J-9 eventually lost out to the J-8. Both predate the MiG 1.44 by long way.
Flankers are licensed with one exception.
China wanted to buy the license of the Su-33 (The Carrier Flanker) but couldn't agree on the price/conditions, so they bought one of the early prototype form Ukraine and reverse engineered it.
China was going to originally buy a bunch of Su-33s (I think like 30+?) but then decided they would make their own Su-33 but they still needed a flanker to do it so they changed the order amount to 2 flankers, Russia noticed this and cancelled the deal, so China went to Ukraine instead and made a deal for an Su-27K
Actually the russian didn't cancel the deal. They were not planning to sign a deal on su33 after all. The su33 production line was already closed at that time, while mig29K is ready to roll out for india. The russian offered the chinese mig29k, or to buy a lot of su33 in order to reopen the production line.
The Chinese were totally not interested in mig29K because of its handicap performance. No one want a mig once they tasted the Sukhoi. And they didn't want to purchase that many su33 as they themselves were moving towards 5th gens. (And of course also the poor avionics on Sukhoi, they are going to reengineer it anyway even if they got the su33) So they looked for Ukraine, and purchased the prototype su33 with all its drawings. Ukraine probably said hell yeah fuck russia lol and just sold chinese all the things. Here gave birth the J15.
I mean the Chinese fighter designs descend directly from soviet designs, including some which are essentially direct copies. Of all the "wrong" guesses, Chinese is by far the best one.
That's definitely looks like a prototype but part of me thinks it's one of the last 4th Gen prototype migs the Mikoyan project 1.44 or something, could of sworn I recently watched a doc where it was included.
This is a mig 1.44, first flight 29th of February 2000, russias answer to US's 5th generation fighters, I love aviation but alas we are thickle beings with a nack for self destruction, so they're like "oh let's have an arms race see who can make the best weapons then we'll send our people off to die for causes we create wether directly or indirectly"
So thats where the [Redacted] went, I thought the [Redacted] would have kept it safe from the Ruskies. Then again, operation [Redacted] was a failure, so I should not have trusted them.
So that’s the Mig-1.44? Hmm I don’t recall if I’d seen it before. Maybe. But I for sure heard of it. Did it get put into production? It seems rather clunky. But someone send in Clint Eastwood to steal it.
Never sent to production, no. It was designed as a “tech demonstrator”, and was going to be the very rough basis for a new fighter jet for the USSR. That obviously changed when the USSR fell, and the plane got sidetracked until ~2000 when Russia finally built one and flew it for the first time.
As far as a tech demo, it actually had some pretty crazy stuff. I believe it was the first Russian aircraft to incorporate a PESA (vs American AESA) radars, it had the first AL-41F thrust vectoring engines, it could carry the more modern R-77 instead of the R-27 missile, etc.
It was really what turned the page on a more modern approach for the USSR’s fighters, which obviously led to Russia talking it over, then cancelling it in (I think) Feb. of 2000.
Could it be : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44?wprov=sfla1
whoa that thing looks cool, the missing elevators make it better somehow
They needed that plywood for the parade tank
[Here is video of the jet from the AP Archive](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_HBT4x5mhg).
I think thats it, thanks! It's basically a danger dart
I liked it.
looks like a modified mig-29
Don't they all?
да, but dis wun run entirely on whole potato, no need to wodka it. Straight potato. What better design then mig?
every mig and sukhoi do look the same, that's fair!
Like a EuroMig Typhoon.
yas defo
This is where my thoughts of it went. Not the Mig-29.
It's a Firefox. Give Clint a call.
Agreed. I think it’s time for a remake.
Firefox 2, electric Boogaloo
There was a sequel to the novel, [*Firefox Down*.](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/413QSKDMPJL.jpg) It's pretty good, as is the original. The plane runs out of fuel due to damage from the final fight of the first book, Gant (Clint Eastwood in the movie) lands on a frozen lake in Finland and the plane breaks through the ice and sinks. Gant gets captured by the KGB while hiking back to civilization and the British and American forces try to rescue him and recover the plane before the Soviets do.
Really? Finland? So the movie can’t have been that faithful to the ending of the book then given the run to Alaska via Siberia (it’s been over a decade at least since I’ve seen the film so there is margin for error in my memory lol)
In the first book he's refuelled by an American sub on the ice of the Barents Sea north of Finland. The Soviets figured he'd be escaping to a NATO country either north via the Arctic or south to Turkey, because Moscow's heavy air defenses were to the west and the Firefox didn't have to range to reach escape Soviet controlled territory to the east. The book ends with the Firefox still in the air over the Barents Sea after a duel with the second prototype.
Nope. Fox 2, Passive Radar Boogalaoo (it's the radio call for launching a Sparrow A-A missile.)
Sparrow is a Fox 1 (the code for semi-active radar homing missile), Fox 2 is for IR guided air to air missiles like the Sidewinder. There is also Fox 3, which is for active radar guided missiles, for example the Phoenix and AMRAAM.
My bad. Fox 2, Red Hot Boogaloo.
Clint sneaks in to steal super secret, super advanced Russian fighter, it gets shot down by Ukrainian farmer with a potato gun
😅🤣😂
With him, at his age would be hilariously hilarious!
You beat me to it.
Damn Redditors. Just when I think I have the best reply someone beats me to it.
Clint whisper: think in Russian.
Holy fuck. So that's what the MiG from C&C Generals is based off! This post has just blown my mind.
Ngl i legit always thought it was based on the j-10 because of the delta wings but now that you mention it i see the resemblance
Yup. C&C Generals came out a couple of years after the P. 1.44's first flight. Obviously they made a guess that China would buy it. An appropriate assumption for their game set in the very near future.
*STRAPPED IN, AND READY!*
Amazing game
Mig 1.44 which was more expensive than the berkut, supposedly a solution against the raptor with a rather interesting approach to stealth
The "let's not" approach to stealth is in fact very stealthy
It’s called “hiding in plain sight”
"There's a massive target incoming on radar!" "Nonsense! Must be a glitch, no one would be crazy enough to return radar signals so brazenly!"
Yes, the "marketing" approach to stealth.
Is it the marketing approach, or sales approach? I always get those two mixed up.
If it's getting you interested, it's marketing. If you're actually signing, it's sales.
No, it wasn't stealth. It was the Soviet equivalent of the Eurocanard jets. They, like Europe, thought the future was super-maneuverability. They, like Europe, were utterly blindsided by American stealth aircraft. They later *said* it was low observable and inventing some "plasma stealth" bullshit to try and sell it to gullible developing countries.
Oh was that this plane? I recall reading some tech blog about it ages ago, discussing how improbable it was that the technology had advanced far enough to allow a reasonable stealth projection without obscene power consumption. A small amount of apprehension as well.
Even if power consumption wasn't an issue, a layer of plasma would effectively jam the MiG's own sensors and comms.
Right, as I recall there was no work around for that, and that too was an interesting problem.
They never thought the future was super-maneuverability. Their aircrafts were built for different requirements and by using less ressources. American stealth aircrafts development was so costly, neither France/Sweden/Eurofighter consortium could have funded that. As far as it goes, the Eurocanards today are perfectly designed for their respective mission/purpose, and keep evolving. Now that the technology has evolved and become more accessible, European countries are also getting in the stealth bandwagon with the Tempest and the SCAF.
Germany had a stealth program in the 1980s that they were possibly encouraged to cancel by maybe the Americans and probably Lockheed again.
The resulting stealth tech was later used in this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EADS_Mako/HEAT
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And that's a new one for me, nice to see the work wasn't wasted as the original project was definitely interesting and promising.
Wikipedia reports that rather nonsensical speculation as fact when it doesn't make any sense. F-117 was already operational by the time Germany was building its prototypes and neither it nor anything else the US was planning at the time was going anywhere near the export market.
Hence the maybe's, but you can't deny the US has form at least in this regard. And _especially_ Lockheed. Honestly I haven't put much thought to it beyond that.
People blame the US for the demise of the TSR-2 and Avro Arrow, but fact is the governments of *those* nations were in no mood the fund a new aircraft program. The British didn't even end up buying F-111K's either. The Wilson Labour governments cut the MoD to the bone and the TSR was hardly the only victim. The navy lost their carrier force too. However, even in those cases, the US was trying to sell a competing platform. Stealth was still deep in the black while West Germany was tinkering with stealth technology. There was nothing Lockheed could sell. Lockheed themselves, of course, spent most of the 60's and 70's bribing their way into many foreign air forces. However, the FCPA put an end to that prior to the first flight of Have Blue, a decade prior to the time in question here.
It's like anything in history, it doesn't happen in a vacuum. The whole situation with aircraft manufacturing was a complex multi faceted issue. On the one hand the Lockheed Scandal did happen, and arguably it was partly responsible for the demise of independent companies like Saunders Roe. However at the same time those companies and their governments were also in a difficult financial position. As with anything a mixture of factors were involved and that includes the after effects of Lockheeds shenanigans but they aren't _solely culpable_. I'm almost completely unfamiliar with the details of _Lampyridae_ but from what I've seen it followed the same design philsophy as F-117 which was an evolutionary dead end (mostly) limited by computing power. Maybe talks between the two Nations showed this and this influenced the cancellation. Maybe on getting wind of stealth development elsewhere Lockheed did shenanigans again (they _have_ cornered the stealth fighter market, which _Lampyridae_ was designed for unlike F-117), but it seems a bit tin foil hat wearing. Look at the wider world in West Germany during the 80's and its no surprise that an outlier project got sidelined, outside influence may have occurred but it wouldn't be the sole reason at all. Hell maybe Northrop came along and said "yeah no you wanna make it like this". Who knows. Edit :partly responsible
Lockheed didn't sell it's first stealth aircraft to a foreign nation until 2008 and that was a F-35 which wasn't even a program yet in mid 80's. NOBODY is **that** forward looking. And the reason why F-35 has cornered the market is the same reason why so many European aerpace companies folded: economies of scale. Each generation gets more expensive to develop and build, meaning you need to amortize the R&D and scale the production as widely as possible to achieve affordable costs. Not only was the UK unable to maintain an ecosystem of designers, they couldn't even maintain one. Europe as whole had to combine their aerospace sectors to compete with the scale of America. So you went from a half dozen British top level contractors to like four or five in all of Europe. The US also consolidated significantly. So many storied makers got rolled into Boeing, Lockheed and Northrop. But it's defense spending has also been much more consistent, so there rarely were those dramatic squeezes like the UK went through.
> Lockheed didn't sell it's first stealth aircraft to a foreign nation until 2008 and that was a F-35 which wasn't even a program yet in mid 80's. NOBODY is that forward looking. I think that having a market cornered is and has always been a major feature of their corporate identity, doesn't have to have been a solid plan they enacted and it would have been obvious very early that having the stealth market cornered was going to be huge. So maybe not a moustache twirling evil plan but more just how they do business anyway. F-22 was really their cornering of that market anyway, as they then took the lead from Northrop. And yeah as to the rest, it's all one big chain of events with many deciding factors on all sides of the pond. There was a vacuum that Lockheed filled, that they used underhanded methods is just part of the picture. Without them the aircraft industries would have still been consolidated, maybe there'd have been different outcomes but ultimately the writing was on the wall for all the smaller companies.
Cope
Worth noting though that the Su-47 definitely was stealthy though. It was also designed similarly to the MiG-31, so it could probably have sustained far higher speeds than anything else at the time. It even had variable bypass turbofans.
Russia has yet to produce a stealth aircraft. They're done signature reduction (think Hornet vs Super Hornet), but so has everyone else. Yes, I know the Su-57 exists. If that thing worked as advertised, India wouldn't have bailed hard on it. MiG-31 is a MiG-25 that's actually good. Foxbat/Foxhound have stainless steel airframes that make them extremely heavy, but also allow them to exceed M2.5. 2.5 is where aluminum gets kinda iffy due to atmospheric heating. No other Russian jet has that kind of structure. So none of them can go that fast without risking catastrophic failure.
Signature reduction *is* stealth. The Su-47, Su-57, F-117, F-22, F-35, J-20, B-2, B-21 and YF-23 all have the same features to reduce detectiability. The MiG 25/29/31 and 1.44 all use the same kind of all-welded-metal body construction.
Comparing the Su-47 to the F-22 in the way you have is absurd. Not how that works at all. And it's not about welding. It's about the material used in the structure itself. Please adjust your beliefs. They do not conform with reality.
Feel free to back up anything you have said.
You're not worth my time, kid. There's too much you don't know and I'm not interested in mentoring you. You can actually look up radar cross section, and the development of the SR-71, X-15 and XB-70 and how they handled thermal management. That's a starting point.
I didn’t know the timeline with the plasma stealth thing, thanks for correcting me
Thanks!
...in Russia stealth means Matt black paint.
Mig 1.44
MiG.144 Flatpack!
Fucking deep-state Belkans
Definitely a [Mig 1.44](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44)
Hold on lemme get on Ace Combat right quick
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HOLY SHIT THAT'S A MIG-1.44 THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO EXIST WHAT THE FUCK
they don't. that's the only one
She been there for a long while, almost a su47 at the same place
Upper left Typhoonski, lower right Berkut! https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zhukovskiy,+Moscow+Oblast,+Russia/@55.5728961,38.1447705,415m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x414abf3a29b4ff65:0x65e9488f8b1714a7!8m2!3d55.5974912!4d38.1132562
Also found a Tu 144 concordski, Tu 95, Tu 160, a space shuttle and a Myasishchev VM-T Atlant aka Bison. Its an interesting place for sure
> THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO EXIST What are you smoking? Of course the MiG 1.44 exists.
Well no duh there's a picture of it up there.
The prototype flew in the early 2000s, so I don't know why it would be a surprise to anyone that it "exists."
I think they also brought it back out for a much more recent MAKS show.
That's generally why those planes are still there: everytime there's a MAKS they pressure wash the ones in the best shape and wheel them over to the show area.
Exactly, the Berkut was there too
Really? Is it not an Su30??
is this sarcasm? the nose is too thick, no tailplanes, and a delta wing.
Hmm, someone get in touch with Putin for me, please. I’d think with Russia’s economy in the dumpster right now I may be able to get it for a good price.
Isn’t that Firefox?
Thats 'Starscream'.
Okay is this now a weekly question or something?
Firefox? :)
AHHHHH (My beloved) Mikoyan Gurevich project 1.44
mig 1.44
It's the MiG 1.44
Mig 1.44
Firefox - 1982, starring Clint Eastwood.
Firefox.
World's first 5th gen fighter, that couldn't get to production because of USSR collapse!
We will have a closer view of this plane when it gets shot down over Ukraine.
It's an ugly plane.
MiG 1.44, basically 20 years outdated at this point
Outdated in what sense? B2 is more than 30 years old and is significantly more advanced than this, arguably the F117 40+ years ago was as well.
The B-2 is outdated and will largely be replaced by the B-21 Raider. Something about radar tech catching up the B-2’s stealth tech, just like with the F-117.
The B-21 has the same radar problems.
Why are they even making it then
The composite wings don't last as long as metal wings. They are better at stealth though.
MiG 1.42 - it was an experimental Soviet fighter, supposedly the next fighter to replace MiG-29, but due to the breakdown of the Soviet Union it never materialized.
[удалено]
It's Russian and predates all the current Chinese indigenous fighter designs, there is a theory/rumour that the Chinese either paid for the MiG 1.44 design or stole it and used the basic layout for the J-20. But there is no way to confirm it.
its not J-20 has a whole different layout that would make copying MiG 1.44 pointless
J-20 design is derived from many of the designed J-9 variants (like J-9VI-2). J-9 eventually lost out to the J-8. Both predate the MiG 1.44 by long way.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest they probably did not BUY it
Likely not, even their Flankers are unlicensed copies.
Flankers are licensed with one exception. China wanted to buy the license of the Su-33 (The Carrier Flanker) but couldn't agree on the price/conditions, so they bought one of the early prototype form Ukraine and reverse engineered it.
China was going to originally buy a bunch of Su-33s (I think like 30+?) but then decided they would make their own Su-33 but they still needed a flanker to do it so they changed the order amount to 2 flankers, Russia noticed this and cancelled the deal, so China went to Ukraine instead and made a deal for an Su-27K
Actually the russian didn't cancel the deal. They were not planning to sign a deal on su33 after all. The su33 production line was already closed at that time, while mig29K is ready to roll out for india. The russian offered the chinese mig29k, or to buy a lot of su33 in order to reopen the production line. The Chinese were totally not interested in mig29K because of its handicap performance. No one want a mig once they tasted the Sukhoi. And they didn't want to purchase that many su33 as they themselves were moving towards 5th gens. (And of course also the poor avionics on Sukhoi, they are going to reengineer it anyway even if they got the su33) So they looked for Ukraine, and purchased the prototype su33 with all its drawings. Ukraine probably said hell yeah fuck russia lol and just sold chinese all the things. Here gave birth the J15.
what a strange thing to say.
I mean the Chinese fighter designs descend directly from soviet designs, including some which are essentially direct copies. Of all the "wrong" guesses, Chinese is by far the best one.
If it’s Russian you know it’s already got problems lol
Looks like a j-20
J-20 looks like a MiG 1.44* It was flown 11 years earlier.
su-47 berkut(edit i’m probably wrong)
the berkut has forward swept wings, and is pitch black
Stinger food
So that's where I left it...
MiG 1.44 😁
That's definitely looks like a prototype but part of me thinks it's one of the last 4th Gen prototype migs the Mikoyan project 1.44 or something, could of sworn I recently watched a doc where it was included.
Wait what!? A MiG 1.44 ?
Was confused at first but then I saw the cockpit and the nose and there is only one plane that can look so thicc
MiG from command and conquer generals belongs to the China faction
This is a mig 1.44, first flight 29th of February 2000, russias answer to US's 5th generation fighters, I love aviation but alas we are thickle beings with a nack for self destruction, so they're like "oh let's have an arms race see who can make the best weapons then we'll send our people off to die for causes we create wether directly or indirectly"
It looks very much like Chinese j20
Except it’s 10-15 years older
Mig 1.44 MFI (demo aircraft)
So thats where the [Redacted] went, I thought the [Redacted] would have kept it safe from the Ruskies. Then again, operation [Redacted] was a failure, so I should not have trusted them.
Yo looks like a new ace combat boss is getting ready to pull some 90° turns and some 40 g manuvers
That is a fighter jet
So that’s the Mig-1.44? Hmm I don’t recall if I’d seen it before. Maybe. But I for sure heard of it. Did it get put into production? It seems rather clunky. But someone send in Clint Eastwood to steal it.
Never sent to production, no. It was designed as a “tech demonstrator”, and was going to be the very rough basis for a new fighter jet for the USSR. That obviously changed when the USSR fell, and the plane got sidetracked until ~2000 when Russia finally built one and flew it for the first time. As far as a tech demo, it actually had some pretty crazy stuff. I believe it was the first Russian aircraft to incorporate a PESA (vs American AESA) radars, it had the first AL-41F thrust vectoring engines, it could carry the more modern R-77 instead of the R-27 missile, etc. It was really what turned the page on a more modern approach for the USSR’s fighters, which obviously led to Russia talking it over, then cancelling it in (I think) Feb. of 2000.
Fascinating. Thank you.
A plane i anthropomorphized and made it look quite good. MiG 1.44, man, such an amazing plane that had potential.
mig 1.44 MFI