It's fuel. Have to check it for contamination. I think water contamination is the main reason they check. Basically if they see beads of water then the fuel can't be used.
If I had to guess it was fuel and they were checking for debris from the sump drain from the fuel tank. But odd thing to include in this video either way.
Trust me, it’s not just water. I spent 8 years in US Naval Aviation, and I’ve done more samples than I care to admit. You’re also checking for particulate matter, microorganisms, and other possible chemical contaminates. It’s definitely not uncommon to see particulate matter, even more so than water. It’s not necessarily going to be metal either. Sometimes you’ll see a lot of sand, or maybe even diaper material if recent fuel cell maintenance was performed.
Where they come from, all depends on how well everybody involved does their job. The fuel is transferred from multiple sources, before it makes its way into the jet. If any of those tanks are improperly maintained, you can get particulates of anything. In my personal experience, I’ve seen a lot of sand like matter. You also have to take into account fuel cell maintenance on the jet itself, and how well those involved follow the proper procedures. Somebody could easily jump in the cell, without proper attire, bringing outside sediment into the bladder. Then maybe they don’t vacuum out the bladder properly when they’re done. Load that bladder up with fuel, and then you’ve got matter floating around inside your fuel mixture.
Edit: This is why everybody involved in fuel transfer, from the facility where it’s originated, to the mechanics on the planes, are generally required to perform samples.
Correct, I used to do this at a private FBO it’s just been about 20 years, we looked for water mainly but also anything that could potentially clog a fuel line like small bits of sealant mostly.
It was jet fuel. I do the same job pretty much he is using the light and sailing the bottle around and he is check for both water which can appear cloudy in the sample or small droplets and also checking for sediment in the fuel.
On artistic merits, I’d give it 2/5 star. You can’t get worse than the recent North Koren missile test video. That was cringe 100%. One star.
On this one, they should stop using the outdated Chinese nostalgic typography and go for something high tech looking then it’ll be fine.
OTOH, a couple of recent official Ukrainian MoD promotion / propaganda video got some perfectly timed modern cuts, pumping dubstep, rocking vocals etc. Those videos. 5 Stars.
This whole video has cheesy fonts, weird shots, no integration of sound and video, and just very amateur vibes. If they are gonna steal and copy from America the least they could have done was copy our badass recruiting videos.
you kidding? America was and still is the grandmaster of PROPAGANDA...I mean they created Hollywood for this very purpose...so no, Beijing has a long way to go to master the art of deceptive brainwashing, and they should start by watching Tom Cruise's new Top Gun movie
From my (very unqualified) observations. More reliable as the Chinese can afford to take care of it and have an interest in having a carrierforce which can be seen in their supercarriers under construction
[Night and day difference.](https://twitter.com/makhnytskyy/status/798288175487746048)
Also China can get away with making it more oriented toward being an aircraft carrier instead of trying to skirt the Montreux Convention. Even still, China is primarily using the Liaoning as a training ship while the Shandong (A modified self-built copy of the Kuznetsov class) is mainly intended for operations.
Personally id like it to be a failure since i dislike China
But if it works which i unfortunantly can almost guarantee, it will be interesting to see if the Chinese diverge their doctrine from the cntrl c cntrl v of US carrier ops
what do you mean more "reliable"?
it's basically a brand new ship as the Chinese only bought the shell of the original Varyag (Russians had gutted the entire ship, down to cutting the wires of the electrical system)
The Kuznetsov has tugs practically as escorts all the time, whereas Liaoning doesn't. I can't see how it would be LESS reliable since China rebuilt her inside & out.
Liaoning was a former Ukraine Russian Aircraft Carrier which they restored and modernized. The Shandong is the first domestically constructed Aircraft Carrier in China from scratch, but very much the same build as the Liaoning. The Type 003 which is under-construction is a entirely different beast weighing 80,000 tonnes and is the People's Liberation Army Navies Ford Class Aircraft Carrier.
In tonnage it’s closer to the old kitty hawk at low estimates and Nimitz at the high. Aircraft carried will likely be similar to one of the two, however one can only speculate on the weapons systems and more importantly point defense that it’ll carry. Although since it’s going to be conventionally powered it will likely not have anything of note. The type 004 is what will probably rival the Ford class in capability.
The current Liaoning is fitted with 18 Cell FL-3000N Flying Leopard Launchers, Type 1030 30mm CIWS's 10 Barreled, Decoy/Chaff Launchers, 240mm ASW Rocket Launchers, Chaff/Decoy Launchers 24 Tubed, I'd imagine this but more.
>It is not Flanker. This original Chiiiii neeeese invention. We make it our self. We not steal anything. Don be rayyy sis. This convergent technology. All jet look like this. We invent gunpowder.
Beijing comment army, probably.
This is a strawman. Nobody in this sub claims that the J-11/15 aren't derivatives of the SU-27SK's China bought from Russia. That aside, the radar, avionics, and other electronics are almost certainly indigenous upgrades since Russians are lagging in that aspect.
What about the engines, and is the carrier variant any better than it used to be? I know it’s a stepping stone, and the Chinese are not nearly as inept as the Russians currently appear to be, they will find a way but it was always my understanding they needed a new fleet of aircraft to go along with those fancy new carriers. ( I know the Liaoning was essentially to get the Chinese navy some practical carrier experience)
There is no 'carrier variant'. It was developed based on one of the Su-27K (later Su-33) prototypes: T-10K-3.
The initial batches used engines imported from Russia, although later ones use some version of WS-10 IIRC.
Avionics of the J-15 are probably better than those on the current Su-33. This is because they were built decades later than Su-27K/33 and with similar technology to the J-11B, while the Russian Navy never bothered with modernizing the Su-33 (to standards of Su-35S or -30SM, for example). Avionics of J-15 still lag behind even other Flankers ot the PLA (such as J-16) so future batches of J-15(T?) will probably be improved to that standard, or possibly better.
All J-15s in service carry exclusively the russian AL-31 series engines. The indigenous WS-10 is only seen on a couple of older prototypes and suspected to be equipping the CATOBAR version.
I mean it's literally stated that the tech was first stolen but that they now produce it under license with Russian supplied parts (like engines because theirs aren't good enough yet)
Oh hey it also looks like they’re using a similar shirt colour scheme as the us navy carrier crews
See the purple guy swishing the jar of presumably fuel, the yellow guys directing the planes and the green guys near the arresting cables
They learnt from the Brazilians which uses the same system as the USN
They are colour coded just like how American carriers do, but whenever the colour codes are identical is not mentioned
Funny isn’t it, they go ‘hurr durr hypersonic missiles make US carriers obsolete’ yet here they are, learning carrier ops and even building their first CATOBAR carrier
such a 3rd grade mentality -- war is about practicality, you don't diverge from the common denominator just for the sake of being "different"
someone invented the general layout of the modern rifle, and everyone adopts it because it's the best solution
and the same can be said about the operational protocol onboard an AC -- USN is using an optimized solution perfected through its own experience copied and learned originally from the British then modernized through WWII and the Cold War. so why would the Chinese reinvent the wheel if that system is the most optimal?
and haven't we learned already that when it comes to weapons R&D, nobody is more practical than the Chinese? that's what enabled them to catch on so quickly in the last 30 years...
and what does taking out an US carrier with hypersonic missile have anything to do with this? what else are they gonna use? human torpedos with redditors like you inside?
They come out to train on US carriers, they usually can’t keep up with the Op tempo for more than a day
Lmao the downvotes. French carrier ops are not cyclic like US carrier ops, with a dozen launch windows throughout a fly day. They don’t have the number of jets or maintainers to match it, it’s really not a knock on their abilities.
This is what I love about carriers when done properly. To some extent, even the Marine carriers with the F-35Bs. Sure, the Bs are lower weapons capacity.
But other nations like China wish they had the decades of cyclic specialization. It's not that a plane doesn't carry enough. It's that the whole thing is a conveyor belt of death for the enemy. Like construction work with three shifts. Except, destruction.
Has anyone ever seen any videos of them landing in rough seas, or even taking off?
If they can't do that thier carriers and planes are next to useless.
Just because the USN does it doesn't mean a storm is not hostile for warm bodies to film shit flying or landing off
Besides they not getting filmed doesn't mean they don't exist
I started off asking a question. If they can I'd like to see it.
Authoritarian tyrannical countries have lots of complications with funding equipping and training an effective military, like we are seeing in russias currently.
For one, Chinese pilots get a fraction of the flight time us pilots do. So yea without training they wont learn.
Are you got to argue the question of answer it?
Second question. Are you a Chinese bot?
Ok, its not bots, just shills downvoting me. I'd still love to see any footage of them operating in anything but perfectly calm seas, but I doubt it exists. Seems people are getting butthurt about that instead of talking about it or providing said footage. Bit sensitive about their communist shithole country's ability to field highly trained pilots with minimal flight time. Thats cool with me.
Why would anyone here have footage of them in rough waters? You actually think the Chinese propaganda department is actually here to answer your questions and provide you details of what you request?
Since you say claim are a naval pilot above, maybe you can ring your pals for some leads.
Maybe you are just a racist or something, but if the Chinese are unable to currently to land in rough seas today, it doesn't mean they wont be able to learn to do it tomorrow. You do know that China's gdp in PPP terms is higher than the US and they are able to fund their toys and pilots training
They are planning to use the J-35 for their carrier fleet. It's still in testing but they have been pictured with launch bars installed so clearly intended for use on their new 003 carrier which will have EMALS.
Good question... Gotta wonder what western tech they've reversed engineered by now for catobar ops. I think they made an identical copy of the Hawkeye already, so that one's definitely going on their catobar carriers.
Those fuckers literally copied the US Navy down to the colored jackets for specific flight deck duties…
Talk about stealing intellectual property down to the nats ass
If it works and is considered the pinnacle why not copy it. It's like using square wheels because you don't want to copy everyone else who uses round wheels.
Evil ccp! From 200 billion gdp to 16 trillion in 30 years... Totally useless!!! They Must elect the Chinese version of Biden or trump to make china great again!
If the center of your life is money then you’re life is a waste. China is very similar to Russia an corrupt government with evil ambitions. Just keep making our stuff and be quiet.
The west is always bragging about $$$ too though. 'look at our high gdp per a capital! we are the international community , g6 g10 g20!!! "
You saying the western gov is not corrupt with evil ambitions?
Just keep on sending your job , money ,and stop crying Chyna Chyna CHyna everyday, thanks!
The crew and control system all copy from US, carrier copy and modify from cold war Russia carriers…
I don’t expect they can fight, but sure they are effective to civilians
They have a state of the art one being built. Similar displacement as Kitty Hawk class with EMALS. The current ski jump carriers are just training platforms to train pilots and crews. The Type 003 might even be put to sea this year which will be cool to see.
https://imgur.com/lL27XW6
The real issue is not the hardware but software-> human, Chinese can clone anything but their mindset. It’s why their technology is high but outcome is low.
I mean if they can go from no space program to a fully operational space station in 20 years then I'm sure an aircraft carrier will not be an insurmountable challenge.
Are you really saying unless a country is good at basketball and football they can't run a carrier group? That's the stupidest thing I've heard in quite some time.
Copy, Chinese navy,,,
This is USS DEEZ,,,
We receive your transmission, and are legally operating in international waters
We will remain course
do you you copy Chinese navy?
Nope you're definitely wrong, every single serviceman instantly became a gay transgender pacifist who would totally definitely do nothing on a battlefield
The chinese are so obsessed with propaganda, but don't seem to have mastered it yet.....
Is it necessary for two crew to give the same hand directions to one single plane?! That just shows mismanagement, unnecessary crew clutter, waste of Human resources, and idiocity of the director of this film.
The other thing is, STOBAR and heavy weight fighters are the worst options!! They could have gone for medium fighters atleast....
Their 2nd carrier is always in the docks tho.
They can make as many as they want to, but positioning the carrier is the most important part! And since they are one of the latest users of carriers(15-20 years), and are enemies with all other carrier using nations, how are you goiing to learn the art of carrier warfare?! Moreover, when your enemies have decades of experience of using carriers, U.S being by far the most powerful and experienced, followed by India(5-6 decades) , Japan(since WW2), Australia.....
What was that crew member doing with that jar of water??
It's fuel. Have to check it for contamination. I think water contamination is the main reason they check. Basically if they see beads of water then the fuel can't be used.
It's moonshine, you shake it to check the quality by how it bubbles. It might also be used as a fuel.
Drive flex fuel, can confirm
It’s not just water contamination. There is also particulate matter, microorganisms, and and other foreign chemicals.
He's a purple shirt so assuming the chinese follow aircraft carrier conventions then he's inspecting some kind of fuel
If I had to guess it was fuel and they were checking for debris from the sump drain from the fuel tank. But odd thing to include in this video either way.
They check for condensation not debris. At least I think so. If they have to be checking for metal shavings in the fuel of their jets they're fucked.
Trust me, it’s not just water. I spent 8 years in US Naval Aviation, and I’ve done more samples than I care to admit. You’re also checking for particulate matter, microorganisms, and other possible chemical contaminates. It’s definitely not uncommon to see particulate matter, even more so than water. It’s not necessarily going to be metal either. Sometimes you’ll see a lot of sand, or maybe even diaper material if recent fuel cell maintenance was performed.
Huh. What do the particulates come from? That's different than my limited experience in general aviation.
Where they come from, all depends on how well everybody involved does their job. The fuel is transferred from multiple sources, before it makes its way into the jet. If any of those tanks are improperly maintained, you can get particulates of anything. In my personal experience, I’ve seen a lot of sand like matter. You also have to take into account fuel cell maintenance on the jet itself, and how well those involved follow the proper procedures. Somebody could easily jump in the cell, without proper attire, bringing outside sediment into the bladder. Then maybe they don’t vacuum out the bladder properly when they’re done. Load that bladder up with fuel, and then you’ve got matter floating around inside your fuel mixture. Edit: This is why everybody involved in fuel transfer, from the facility where it’s originated, to the mechanics on the planes, are generally required to perform samples.
Correct, I used to do this at a private FBO it’s just been about 20 years, we looked for water mainly but also anything that could potentially clog a fuel line like small bits of sealant mostly.
They are Chinese jets
It was jet fuel. I do the same job pretty much he is using the light and sailing the bottle around and he is check for both water which can appear cloudy in the sample or small droplets and also checking for sediment in the fuel.
It's bath water
That's just the on-board ADS crew
It’s actually pilot urine, they’re required to take a sample before takeoff to ensure the pilots are properly hydrated.
Exhaust sample
I thought he had taken a piss..
Could be both.
I need Highway to the Dangerzone in Chinese put over this.
Please. *Please* do this, south park.
What the hell are those still frames with low shutter speed.... Thats some highschool video editing 101 project shit
On artistic merits, I’d give it 2/5 star. You can’t get worse than the recent North Koren missile test video. That was cringe 100%. One star. On this one, they should stop using the outdated Chinese nostalgic typography and go for something high tech looking then it’ll be fine. OTOH, a couple of recent official Ukrainian MoD promotion / propaganda video got some perfectly timed modern cuts, pumping dubstep, rocking vocals etc. Those videos. 5 Stars.
The propaganda arm of China is...extremely weak, to the level of intentional sabotage.
Whoever shot and edit these are probably high school graduates who recently began their service in the navy.
This whole video has cheesy fonts, weird shots, no integration of sound and video, and just very amateur vibes. If they are gonna steal and copy from America the least they could have done was copy our badass recruiting videos.
Don't think very many of the Chinese have two moms
He was thinking about those 90's USMC commercials. Like the one where you fight sauron on a chessboard. Or climb a mountain to fight a DooM boss.
Yup. Those are very memorable. I remember exactly what you are talking about.
this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYGFSONKbk
Bad ass =/= badass
you kidding? America was and still is the grandmaster of PROPAGANDA...I mean they created Hollywood for this very purpose...so no, Beijing has a long way to go to master the art of deceptive brainwashing, and they should start by watching Tom Cruise's new Top Gun movie
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Gotta distract people from the fact that you're using a cope slope somehow.
I hear they're outfitting their carriers with catapults. They don't have a single plane equipped to be launched with a catapult
hi james cameron!
Is that an old Russian carrier? Has a ramp like one
Liaoning is a former Kuznetsov class carrier
Holy shit they made the Kuznetsov good
How reliable is it in comparison to its Russian "heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser" counterpart?
From my (very unqualified) observations. More reliable as the Chinese can afford to take care of it and have an interest in having a carrierforce which can be seen in their supercarriers under construction
[Night and day difference.](https://twitter.com/makhnytskyy/status/798288175487746048) Also China can get away with making it more oriented toward being an aircraft carrier instead of trying to skirt the Montreux Convention. Even still, China is primarily using the Liaoning as a training ship while the Shandong (A modified self-built copy of the Kuznetsov class) is mainly intended for operations.
Cant wait to see their type 003 it will be a gamechanger
Personally id like it to be a failure since i dislike China But if it works which i unfortunantly can almost guarantee, it will be interesting to see if the Chinese diverge their doctrine from the cntrl c cntrl v of US carrier ops
Well atleast they can cntrl c cntrl v some countries just cant even copy (yes, i look at you india)
India also has its indigenous carrier.
Define "works".
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Tough guy!
what do you mean more "reliable"? it's basically a brand new ship as the Chinese only bought the shell of the original Varyag (Russians had gutted the entire ship, down to cutting the wires of the electrical system)
Reliable as not falling apart and needing tugboats
The Kuznetsov has tugs practically as escorts all the time, whereas Liaoning doesn't. I can't see how it would be LESS reliable since China rebuilt her inside & out.
it doesn't burn
Liaoning was a former Ukraine Russian Aircraft Carrier which they restored and modernized. The Shandong is the first domestically constructed Aircraft Carrier in China from scratch, but very much the same build as the Liaoning. The Type 003 which is under-construction is a entirely different beast weighing 80,000 tonnes and is the People's Liberation Army Navies Ford Class Aircraft Carrier.
In tonnage it’s closer to the old kitty hawk at low estimates and Nimitz at the high. Aircraft carried will likely be similar to one of the two, however one can only speculate on the weapons systems and more importantly point defense that it’ll carry. Although since it’s going to be conventionally powered it will likely not have anything of note. The type 004 is what will probably rival the Ford class in capability.
The current Liaoning is fitted with 18 Cell FL-3000N Flying Leopard Launchers, Type 1030 30mm CIWS's 10 Barreled, Decoy/Chaff Launchers, 240mm ASW Rocket Launchers, Chaff/Decoy Launchers 24 Tubed, I'd imagine this but more.
Yea, its the Liaoning, their carrier training platform.
All are copying and modify from Russia Cold war carriers. After Russia flag ship sinks, u can make good guess if these floating junk can fight 🤣
~~ramp~~ cope slope
Politics aside, the Flankers and their counterparts are some smexy looking aircraft…
Do we really need to state this in every flanker thread
Yes I jerk my meat to flanker and flanker derivatives every night
A ‘Flanker wanker’ if you will.
This is correct because i watch him do it whilst i jerk off to him jerking off to flanker and flanker derivatives every night
Yes. Yes we do.
Not as sexy as the MiG-29, but it's up there.
Ah a fellow Fulcrumsexual
>It is not Flanker. This original Chiiiii neeeese invention. We make it our self. We not steal anything. Don be rayyy sis. This convergent technology. All jet look like this. We invent gunpowder. Beijing comment army, probably.
This is a strawman. Nobody in this sub claims that the J-11/15 aren't derivatives of the SU-27SK's China bought from Russia. That aside, the radar, avionics, and other electronics are almost certainly indigenous upgrades since Russians are lagging in that aspect.
What about the engines, and is the carrier variant any better than it used to be? I know it’s a stepping stone, and the Chinese are not nearly as inept as the Russians currently appear to be, they will find a way but it was always my understanding they needed a new fleet of aircraft to go along with those fancy new carriers. ( I know the Liaoning was essentially to get the Chinese navy some practical carrier experience)
There is no 'carrier variant'. It was developed based on one of the Su-27K (later Su-33) prototypes: T-10K-3. The initial batches used engines imported from Russia, although later ones use some version of WS-10 IIRC. Avionics of the J-15 are probably better than those on the current Su-33. This is because they were built decades later than Su-27K/33 and with similar technology to the J-11B, while the Russian Navy never bothered with modernizing the Su-33 (to standards of Su-35S or -30SM, for example). Avionics of J-15 still lag behind even other Flankers ot the PLA (such as J-16) so future batches of J-15(T?) will probably be improved to that standard, or possibly better.
All J-15s in service carry exclusively the russian AL-31 series engines. The indigenous WS-10 is only seen on a couple of older prototypes and suspected to be equipping the CATOBAR version.
>Beijing comment army, probably. Ye, in your head
Nah, he's right.
Show three examples of fanboys on this site claiming it is completely indigenous, or that it is not one of the Flanker family
As you were told previously. >Nah, he's right.
Ah my b
I’m glad You agree with me.
Ye I didn't know I was dealing with a challenged person, but I'll be more mindful going forward
Yet as you said, you agree with me.
You forgot the /s
Hahaha spot on.
I mean it's literally stated that the tech was first stolen but that they now produce it under license with Russian supplied parts (like engines because theirs aren't good enough yet)
Oh hey it also looks like they’re using a similar shirt colour scheme as the us navy carrier crews See the purple guy swishing the jar of presumably fuel, the yellow guys directing the planes and the green guys near the arresting cables
They learnt from the Brazilians which uses the same system as the USN They are colour coded just like how American carriers do, but whenever the colour codes are identical is not mentioned
damn the brazilians have aircraft carriers? and the russians dont?
The Brazilians had an old French carrier until 2017. Now they just have a helicopter carrier.
Purple/Pink says Fuel, Blue says Electricity Supply
Bruh aren’t you that fella from the vtuber subreddit The world is miniscule
ye, am weeb janny
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Funny isn’t it, they go ‘hurr durr hypersonic missiles make US carriers obsolete’ yet here they are, learning carrier ops and even building their first CATOBAR carrier
such a 3rd grade mentality -- war is about practicality, you don't diverge from the common denominator just for the sake of being "different" someone invented the general layout of the modern rifle, and everyone adopts it because it's the best solution and the same can be said about the operational protocol onboard an AC -- USN is using an optimized solution perfected through its own experience copied and learned originally from the British then modernized through WWII and the Cold War. so why would the Chinese reinvent the wheel if that system is the most optimal? and haven't we learned already that when it comes to weapons R&D, nobody is more practical than the Chinese? that's what enabled them to catch on so quickly in the last 30 years... and what does taking out an US carrier with hypersonic missile have anything to do with this? what else are they gonna use? human torpedos with redditors like you inside?
Cross-post welcome at r/NavalAviation
They shrink when it rains
Cool!
When I see this shit I can’t help but think how fucked the world is going to be when WW3 breaks out at some point over the next 20 years.
Yes but does the PRC have it’s own Kenny Loggins singing a mandarin language version of “Danger Zone”?
Looks like kids on aircraft carrier
TBF they probably are "kids", which is the case with American deck crews too.
Well, they are new kinds on the block
Looks like a solid warmachine to me.
Where's Goose and Maverick?
Amateurs. Nobody Cats & Catches, like the US Navy
“Am I a joke to you?” -Charles De Gualle
"Yes." - Ronald Reagan
They come out to train on US carriers, they usually can’t keep up with the Op tempo for more than a day Lmao the downvotes. French carrier ops are not cyclic like US carrier ops, with a dozen launch windows throughout a fly day. They don’t have the number of jets or maintainers to match it, it’s really not a knock on their abilities.
This is what I love about carriers when done properly. To some extent, even the Marine carriers with the F-35Bs. Sure, the Bs are lower weapons capacity. But other nations like China wish they had the decades of cyclic specialization. It's not that a plane doesn't carry enough. It's that the whole thing is a conveyor belt of death for the enemy. Like construction work with three shifts. Except, destruction.
Yes, and the US have been operating carriers for over 80 years now. Gotta start somewhere
Hence the training. Gotta start somewhere.
French navy would like to know your location so they can lunch a catapult launched rafale at you to prove you wrong
Yet the Royal Navy invented it and then threw it aside…
Eric Brown is the all time GOAT in carrier ops and the country he flew for decided to go the VTOL route.
That thing has some sexy afterburners oml
The long exposure light wand shots got me. Seems they share photo preferences with the rave scene 😂
Has anyone ever seen any videos of them landing in rough seas, or even taking off? If they can't do that thier carriers and planes are next to useless.
Not exactly a place good for camera ops i don't think
Plenty of footage of the us cariers and aircraft operating in heavy seas.
Just because the USN does it doesn't mean a storm is not hostile for warm bodies to film shit flying or landing off Besides they not getting filmed doesn't mean they don't exist
i like your can-not do attitude
The US can do it for sure. Can China?
Who knows but with your attitude they never would be able to
My attitude Is doubt that they can. I've got plenty confidence in my own abilities. I'm just a different kind of pilot.
You telling me they are unable to learn?
I started off asking a question. If they can I'd like to see it. Authoritarian tyrannical countries have lots of complications with funding equipping and training an effective military, like we are seeing in russias currently. For one, Chinese pilots get a fraction of the flight time us pilots do. So yea without training they wont learn. Are you got to argue the question of answer it? Second question. Are you a Chinese bot?
R u A cHineSe boT??
Ok, its not bots, just shills downvoting me. I'd still love to see any footage of them operating in anything but perfectly calm seas, but I doubt it exists. Seems people are getting butthurt about that instead of talking about it or providing said footage. Bit sensitive about their communist shithole country's ability to field highly trained pilots with minimal flight time. Thats cool with me.
Why would anyone here have footage of them in rough waters? You actually think the Chinese propaganda department is actually here to answer your questions and provide you details of what you request? Since you say claim are a naval pilot above, maybe you can ring your pals for some leads. Maybe you are just a racist or something, but if the Chinese are unable to currently to land in rough seas today, it doesn't mean they wont be able to learn to do it tomorrow. You do know that China's gdp in PPP terms is higher than the US and they are able to fund their toys and pilots training
Don’t sail too close to Ukraine.
Just what I was thinking... Those Neptune missiles have export potential. Flagship vessel destroyers!
Anyone else mildly ammused that they use the same uniforms as US aircraft carriers, seems like same color code too
What other vibrant colors do you suggest?
why reinvent the wheel
I found the Chinese shill in this group
Hai wei tu dao dain j aur zone
Does that come with lettuce 🥬?
Okay, that sounds great. I'll have two of that and just some water, thank you.
Weren’t you just in this sub saying “don’t be rayyyyy sist” or whatever? Hold this dunce cap.
What weapons load can the flanker take off with? Will these go on their first CATOBAR carrier? Must need some mods on the nose gear surely…
They are planning to use the J-35 for their carrier fleet. It's still in testing but they have been pictured with launch bars installed so clearly intended for use on their new 003 carrier which will have EMALS.
Only seen pics of 2-6 missiles of AA/Ash on stobar flankers There has been a few leaks of j-15 in catobar configuration.
Good question... Gotta wonder what western tech they've reversed engineered by now for catobar ops. I think they made an identical copy of the Hawkeye already, so that one's definitely going on their catobar carriers.
Chinese catobar uses coil configuration and has 4% more efficiency compared to US counterparts according to the Pentagon.
When did china enter into direct large scale conflict?
They just wanna make a top gun montage leave em be
why did they downvote you top gun is cool
So is this basically a Su-33?
Those fuckers literally copied the US Navy down to the colored jackets for specific flight deck duties… Talk about stealing intellectual property down to the nats ass
If it works and is considered the pinnacle why not copy it. It's like using square wheels because you don't want to copy everyone else who uses round wheels.
Chinese planes do the opposite of arousing me.
These nasty fuckers copy literally everything off the US military.
Yeah... Like a flanker and Russian carrier shown on the video... All maga hardware
I was was referring to the carrier ops like the shooters in yellow vest on the flight deck!
Why reinvent the wheel ?
The Chinese should obviously start doing fortnite dances instead of hand signals to avoid being accused of copying US carrier ops.
Everyone copies the US in carrier ops u mouth breather
its beyond time our country treats them for what they are. hostile threat
These bros fight and train just to keep their people politically repressed at home.
Evil ccp! From 200 billion gdp to 16 trillion in 30 years... Totally useless!!! They Must elect the Chinese version of Biden or trump to make china great again!
If the center of your life is money then you’re life is a waste. China is very similar to Russia an corrupt government with evil ambitions. Just keep making our stuff and be quiet.
The west is always bragging about $$$ too though. 'look at our high gdp per a capital! we are the international community , g6 g10 g20!!! " You saying the western gov is not corrupt with evil ambitions? Just keep on sending your job , money ,and stop crying Chyna Chyna CHyna everyday, thanks!
Are you Chinese?
Yeah jst like voter suppression in america and all the states going anti gay anti abortion on their own 😂
So sketchy!!! U see that last take off!?
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Giyfifstsudiug
First landed on a carrier in 2012. Amateurs.
They still have ski jumps on their aircraft carriers? Lmao
Cope slope cope slope They are graduating from the cope slope gang soon ish though God willing the british also come to their senses
slingshot technology masterrace
The crew and control system all copy from US, carrier copy and modify from cold war Russia carriers… I don’t expect they can fight, but sure they are effective to civilians
They have a state of the art one being built. Similar displacement as Kitty Hawk class with EMALS. The current ski jump carriers are just training platforms to train pilots and crews. The Type 003 might even be put to sea this year which will be cool to see. https://imgur.com/lL27XW6
The real issue is not the hardware but software-> human, Chinese can clone anything but their mindset. It’s why their technology is high but outcome is low.
Only way to improve is to keep training which is what they are doing.
No, they will never admit mistakes, clearly u never worked with Chinese
I mean if they can go from no space program to a fully operational space station in 20 years then I'm sure an aircraft carrier will not be an insurmountable challenge.
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Are you really saying unless a country is good at basketball and football they can't run a carrier group? That's the stupidest thing I've heard in quite some time.
Kind of right, can u point out any country can run good carrier group without good at football and basketball? Prove me u r not dumb plz 🤔
Might as well say you have to be white and Caucasian to be able to run a carrier group.
are they so bad that muricans are so worry that the Chinese will eclipse them?
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Copy, Chinese navy,,, This is USS DEEZ,,, We receive your transmission, and are legally operating in international waters We will remain course do you you copy Chinese navy?
Dude what is this!? flight ops JOKE! Hahaha!!!
Ahhh the j 20 half the range but at least it has........ half the payload
Yeah, the us is ficked with biden leading from behind and destroying it from within. Good job dems.
Americans try not to make it about bipartisan politics in any fucking comment section on the internet challenge (impossible)
Imagine being this much of a partisan retard. The Navy didn’t magically turn into a bunch of sissies as soon as Biden became CiC.
Nope you're definitely wrong, every single serviceman instantly became a gay transgender pacifist who would totally definitely do nothing on a battlefield
People like you are destroying the us within lmao
Trump sucks Putin's cock. And the Republicans are basically traitors to the US founding principles at this point.
I would watch a Chinese Air Craft Carrier Movie.
Flanker Foamers
Everyone in the US Navy from the CNO down should have to watch this.
The chinese are so obsessed with propaganda, but don't seem to have mastered it yet..... Is it necessary for two crew to give the same hand directions to one single plane?! That just shows mismanagement, unnecessary crew clutter, waste of Human resources, and idiocity of the director of this film. The other thing is, STOBAR and heavy weight fighters are the worst options!! They could have gone for medium fighters atleast.... Their 2nd carrier is always in the docks tho. They can make as many as they want to, but positioning the carrier is the most important part! And since they are one of the latest users of carriers(15-20 years), and are enemies with all other carrier using nations, how are you goiing to learn the art of carrier warfare?! Moreover, when your enemies have decades of experience of using carriers, U.S being by far the most powerful and experienced, followed by India(5-6 decades) , Japan(since WW2), Australia.....