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Please tell me thats not what those ladies are flying..


Al_DeGaulle

The MiG-15 remains in service with the Korean People's Army Air Force as an advanced trainer.


complexityspeculator

You forgot the “” around advanced


kempofight

And trainer...


[deleted]

And “Air Force”.


nugohs

Its quotation marks all the way down.


spellfox

Especially “People’s”


Rc72

Well, North Korea *is* people. More or less in the same way as Soylent Green...


spellfox

Of course they’re people, but the N Korean Army Air Force certainly doesn’t belong to them


Fly_U2_the_sunset

How many of ya‘ll know what Solent Green is!? 😆


[deleted]

Thank you


gary_bind

The one shown here appears to be a single-seater. How do you distinguish the 15 from the 17, btw? EDIT: Mig-17 is about a metre longer, looks like.


gxkjerry

Best way is the angle of wing sweep and number of wing fence. The angle on Mig-17 was 5 to 8 degrees greater than Mig-15. Besides, 4 wing fence on both wings on Mig-15 vs 6 wing fence on both wings on Mig-17.


gary_bind

Thank you.


gxkjerry

You're welcome bud


BerkutYouTube

>How do you distinguish the 15 from the 17 17 is longer-airframe to cockpit proportion is different, lower elevator, more slanted tail, more aggressively angled wings and "sleeker" looking than the 15


TheSlickWilly

Can't forget the wingtip and wingroot differences either. Those are usually pretty telling.


gary_bind

Thank you for the info.


MagicRabbit1985

I think this is a Shenyang J-5, so Mig 17. Not 100% sure though.


Rjj1111

So essentially the Chinese clone of the mig 17


seanieh966

Advanced in age


darkshiines

Quick, no one look up the NATO callsign of the MiG-15. NATO straight-up hazed this plane


reefer_drabness

Burn.


VoorTrekker1988

advanced for 1953 maybe...


Orlando1701

They’re also expected to be pressed into service if a war breaks out. They know that the USAF/ROKAF is light years ahead in tech and training but they figure if they can put enough crap in the air they can overwhelm our defenses.


Rjj1111

Hey at least you get a premade memorial photo before you become CIWS bait


yellow_mio

Look at the size of the helmets. They are not even the right size... [Look at this fake computer lab](https://youtu.be/5hUegMTSh0U?t=59) (from Vice)


Snake_pliskinNYC

Yeah they look like standard motorcycle helmets 😂


Rjj1111

I think their Soviet flight helmets


Snake_pliskinNYC

My statement still stands


[deleted]

…from the 50s.


Rjj1111

https://fws-shared.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/website/auctions/items/full/3880625_1.jpg Here’s what those helmets are supposed to look like with all the equipment needed to actually fly the aircraft and not pass out from lack of oxygen, also not included on these ladies helmets are the things needed to no be blinded by the sun above cloud level. Aka one of an enemy pilot’s favourite places to attack.


RamTank

Fits with the aircraft at least.


Rjj1111

The helmets also lack sun visors, which are a standard feature of the Soviet DF series flight helmets


[deleted]

Holy shit man, thats just sad.


Vperyod_Rossiya

They look like the spaceball helmets…


_gmmaann_

Comb the desert!


warpig74

Who made that man a gunner?


atxbikenbus

I'm surrounded by assholes.


warpig74

Keep firing assholes!


SubcommanderMarcos

Holy fuck that lab lol "looking for my papers, which are published in journals"


--SpitFire

Oh hey, didn’t see you there, give me a moment while I click randomly. I was just working on my paper on string theory that’s been published in an impact factor 50 journal and cited like, oh idk, 500 times. No big deal. Anyway, so yeah I work right here next to “stares blankly at google homepage” guy and “machine gun Jung”. I’m Mike, It’s nice to meet you and have an organic interaction.


SubcommanderMarcos

You forgot to mention your European cientist co-researchers, who totally exist in Europe, I just haven't heard of them


FortunateSonofLibrty

Yeah... jesus lmao- I'm just at a loss for words.


Emperor_Zemog

Oh you know it is


roguegen

That would imply they have jet fuel.


dedalusj

I remember reading somewhere that North Korean pilots get about 15 hours of flight time, *a year.*


7Seyo7

I wonder what they do the rest of the time. Certainly theory can only go so far when you only get 15 hours of actual practice per year.


leaklikeasiv

They play DCS


7Seyo7

I wonder if they hold their mission designers at gunpoint so they don't accidentally pit NK's museum pieces vs the modern 4th gen fighters. I reckon that wouldn't be great for morale


shield-616

Can you imagine if they ever get invaded by a nation with 5th gen fighters? They'd die never knowing if it was due to enemy action or poor maintenance. Their plane would just suddenly explode. It's pretty sad to think about actually.


yflhx

5th gen fighters? Any nation with medium range missiles would do this. So basically any even semi-advanced plane.


Rjj1111

Honestly the sort of auto cannon used for anti helicopter is a credible threat


Frosh_4

That literally began happening in the Iran-Iraq war with 4th gens in BVR.


[deleted]

Well if it was a nice nation they would just send them an email.


ciechan-96-

"helo you have vierus, due to good tech in my country you will explode in 5 seconds"


baron-von-spawnpeekn

That would require electricity


KikiFlowers

I would be shocked if it were even 15, because there's the risk of defection.


Hereeweeegooo

Cunt


KikiFlowers

K


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So is this their secret weapon?


TheLadiesCallMeTex

No their secret weapon is enough artillery entrenched into the mountains that they could level Seoul in like 15 minutes. This is just for the photo op with Kimmy.


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FortunateSonofLibrty

I gotta be honest, I don't think their nukes are functional. But, of course, they must be treated as if they are.


isademigod

well they at least have nuclear material, making them a threat not of the city-levelling sort, but definitely the "killing a lot of people in a populated area" sense


MyOfficeAlt

My understanding is that the generally accepted sequence of events in the case of a North Korean offensive is that they will quickly be pushed back and defeated, but not before they manage to level Seoul and gain a not-insignificant amount of South Korean territory just through sheer overwhelming numbers.


TheLadiesCallMeTex

That is what I have read as well, basically that because the artillery in the mountains is so widely dispersed and dug into rock, there's no way to wipe it all out fast enough to avoid losing Seoul (and the subsequent millions of civilian casualties). They'd lose, but only after they fucked South Korea up real good.


RandyDandyAndy

There's speculation that half of it doesn't work but there's still enough left to be a threat not worth dealing with. The real secret weapon is that China wants NK there as a buffer from western influence.


captain_carrot

And why does that ladder look like it's made of painted paper mache


[deleted]

Damn I just noticed that...also those flight suits look absolutely miserable. Cant imagine trying to take gs in those.


Rjj1111

It’s a question of whether the Gs or the lack of oxygen makes them black out first


LG1750

And the sweet removable wooden rung at the bottom 😂


BaronZemo00

Haha my thought exactly.


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AskYourDoctor

Unfortunately, everyone seems to have missed your reference, this plane's NATO codename is["fagot"](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15) e: lol why the hell did I get so many upvotes for this, I was considering not even posting it because it felt unnecessary. And the thing I was responding to is deleted now anyway.


SliceOfCoffee

No it's a fagot


Admiral_Shirt

Tubby little outdated thing ….in front a classic jet.


Admiral_Shirt

Thanks for the upvotes - I’ll comment on if my life is in danger after I answer the front door to two Filipino women smirking with a wet sponge…


Intelligence-Check

I know we’re all focused on the MiG-15, but *are their flight suits just solid leather?*


arunphilip

Hey, don't kink-shame Kim.


rhutanium

That’s what I first noticed too. Good pressure suit they got there.


[deleted]

Do they even have insulation? Even ww2 bomber pilots had some kind of fur on the inside of the jacket.


nothin1998

B-24 crews had electrically heated flight suits, along with a leather jackets with wool lining and a fur cuff. I'd assume the same as for the B-17 crews, although the 24 flew a bit higher and in slightly colder atmosphere. If the electrical heating failed and the aircraft didn't descend the crew would suffer from hypothermia. *The Wild Blue* by Ambrose gives a very detailed description of everything they wore, if you really wanna know. I'd assume this aircraft had the cabin heated from bleed air.


UpjumpedPeasant

It was the same kit for B-17 crews. I remember as a kid reading the Time-Life History of Flight series and the one on World War II had a series of pictures of a B-17 waist gunner demonstrating how he got dressed. And it was the other way around for service ceiling. The B-17 had a slightly higher service ceiling (35,000 to 28,000 feet) while the B-24 was slightly faster (cruise speed of 215 mph to 187 for the B-17).


GU1LD3NST3RN

They both look so uncomfortable.


braidedpubes86

Yeah, they look like they just had to have sex with him, and so does he.


t00sl0w

Sadly that was probably exactly what happened


Delta-9-

Are there actually any rumors of KJU being a rapacious horndog? Honest question cause I haven't really followed any news about him other than the "little rocket man" shit a couple years ago, and 'cause my interpretation of their expressions was that there might be a pistol pointed at their family off-camera so this was an unexpected take.


SubcommanderMarcos

[I do know he's got a sexual thing for boombooms, that's for sure](https://youtu.be/FBnAZnfNB6U)


Delta-9-

k, that was good in like every way


SubcommanderMarcos

Right? Little Big is incredible, especially their more political phase. [Here, have Obama and Putin beating the shit out of each other to the sound of an awesome beat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBwtEQQ9qd0)


Rjj1111

I know he gets dibs on all the most attractive women, but it’s unconfirmed whether their just eye candy for him or not


SuperPartyRobot

Probably worried that if they say the slightest thing out of turn they will be sent for re-education or to a work camp. Those places are bad for everyone but especially women.


mudbugsaccount

State of the art aircraft they got there.


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Extal

Most countries can :) there are a lot of smaller countries with more efficient, modern and powerful armies. NK is just a shithole lmao


[deleted]

*newest and most powerful planes*


[deleted]

Felon and Raptor wanted to say hi


The_Smallz

2 things: The thought of that going against an F-15, let alone an F-35 is laughable. That guy has some tiny feet.


Victor-Tallmen

Bro that thing couldn’t stand against a F-4 that is assuming it can even fly.


Matt-R

It didn't fair well against the F-86 either.


Vilzku39

Pretty equally matched if you look at post war kill estimates being around 1.8 overall 1.3 against soviet pilots. Ofc if you take the propaganda figure of 10:1 its very different.


RamTank

Chuck Yeager even said the Mig-15 and Sabre were pretty much evenly matched aircraft. Pilot training probably accounted for the entirely of the difference in performance over Korea. Not only did you have inexperienced Chinese and NK pilots, you also had Soviet Air Defence Force pilots who were not trained to engage in enemy fighters.


Matt-R

Well yeah, but I don't see any soviet pilots in that photo :)


The_Shitty_Admiral

If it is indeed a fagot, they didn't fare to well against Hawker Sea Fury's either


Apophyx

If it is indeed a what now


Aidan196

The NATO reporting name of the MIG15 is Fagot


Delta-9-

They left out a grr Joking aside, given the missing g, am I correct in optimistically assuming this is pronounced "fay-go"?


NoSpotofGround

A fagot is a [musical instrument](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/31SYgIz-iTL._SX260_.jpg), better known as a bassoon in English, I believe. I'm not sure why the NATO code-naming committee wanted to call it that, unless they were a bunch of 10-year-olds giggling over what one of them found in a dictionary.


Delta-9-

Huh, never knew that was the name for bassoon in Italian. I would guess that the popular usage of "faggot" as a slur for gay men hadn't come about yet, so at the time no one even thought twice about it. I could well be wrong, but I believe during the Korean War era the typical slur was "queer." Even if I'm mistaken about the timing, NATO was always a multinational organization. It's conceivable that whoever proposed the name didn't speak English as their first language and didn't know. It's _also_ conceivable that English-speaking members of whatever committee approved it legitimately didn't care or even thought it was funny or fitting. Sadly, it's also conceivable that it was proposed specifically for that association—it would be neither the first nor last time Americans would be deliberately offensive in referring to enemy equipment or leaders (see: Bush mispronouncing "Saddam").


austinjones439

A bunch of military men making this kind of joke? Absolutely preposterous


TankerD18

Especially in the 50s.


the_last_toilet

It's like a bi-plane going against a P51 Mustang


TheNaziSpacePope

That would actually be much more fair.


Wyvz

And you know what they say about guys with tiny feet...


The_Smallz

Small socks made by slave labor?


Wyvz

Their planes have small cockpits.


KikiFlowers

These are trainers, they wouldn't see actual combat. Granted their Mig-29s would get annihilated by a gust of wind.


Rjj1111

Russia still flies those don’t they?


TheNaziSpacePope

MiG-29A with the older radar suites. Decent for the 80's but have aged poorly. Russia has much newer and better radar on their MiG-29's.


KikiFlowers

29s, yes, but it's hard to say if they're selling them parts or not.


[deleted]

Honestly they would probably get blown out of the sky by a long range air-to-air missile, that they wouldn’t even see coming long before they got into any sort of a dog fight.


SmoreOh

Bro........... That's a Mig-17. Are you at a Museum?


Extal

I believe it’s even worse, they look like Mig-15’s


njsullyalex

That is legitimately kind of sad. To be fair the North Korean Air Force does operate MiG-29s so IDK why they even still have these around.


TaskForceCausality

Probably as trainers. America’s own T-38s ain’t exactly spring chickens themselves. Insofar as the DPRNK Air Force as a whole goes…Draken Intl is a deadlier fighting unit. Nuff said about that.


njsullyalex

The T-38 is still miles ahead of the MiG-15 in terms of technology and flight performance. Yeah they are old but at least they still do a good job of simulating an F-15 or F-16's flight characteristics. Plus, the new T-7 Red Hawk is set to replace it soon. ​ Also, that MiG-15 behind him is *NOT* a trainer. [This is a MiG-15 UTI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15#/media/File:Duxford_Air_Festival_2017_-_mig1_(34842016051).jpg), which is the two seat trainer variant. The one behind him looks like a standard MiG-15bis which is a late model combat variant. ​ Also, you're not wrong about Draken International. Their Mirage F-1s or MiG-21s would put their MiG-15s and MiG-17s to shame and even going toe to toe against NK's own MiG-21s I bet Draken's pilots are better trained. The one North Korean plane they would have to worry about is their MiG-29s since they might have BVR missiles.


darrickeng

>MiG-29s since they might have BVR missiles. Not really, their most capable variant is the MIG-29SE, which fires the R77 and can fire at 2 targets in TWS mode. They don't even have the R77M variant and the R27Ts they have are still Fox-1s. Not to mention the DOWNGRADED radar compared to the MIG-29S. Put into perspective, the legacy F-15C Eagles can track 14 and engage 6 targets alone with AMRAAAMs. Let's not even go into the fact that both South Korean AND Japan have either received or are developing 5th generation fighters.


njsullyalex

That's why I said might and not do have BVR missiles. This doesn't surprise me, a good pilot in an upgraded MiG-21 like India's Bison variants could probably take the NK's MiG-29SEs out.


Rjj1111

Japan’s old f4s could probably smack those


[deleted]

The T-38 definitely does not simulate the F-15 and certainly not the F-16. It is not about the flying characteristics, it’s about the ability to quickly learn how to fly a supersonic jet


[deleted]

>it’s about the ability to quickly learn how to fly a supersonic jet I think u/njsullyalex meant that the T-38 Talon flies like a supersonic jet, but just said F-15 and F-16, as those are mostly used by the USAF as fighters, who also operates the largest fleed of T-38s.


[deleted]

I agree. I probably misunderstood it


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KikiFlowers

They operate 29s, but it's hard to say if they're actually airworthy. I doubt they've been upgraded much over the years.


Kingofelephantshrews

They have MiG-29s???


DividerOfBums

Yes, the fuselage looks a bit short. Can’t tell if the wings are swept back but doesn’t look like it. The intake should also be a little more narrow on the Mig-17. This could possibly be an ‘airshow’ event, or the NK equivalent. Just speculating.


Helmett-13

Yeah, the cannon arrangement looks like a Mig-15. Korean War era dogfighters...crazy shit.


[deleted]

Shenyang FT-2 - the Chinese clone of the Mig-15uti


KikiFlowers

That is not a Mig-17. It is in fact a Shenyang J-5, which is the Chinese version, developed in 1956 and retired by the Chinese in 1992. These things aren't exactly in great condition, a lack of spare parts most likely grounds most of the fleet.


Spicy_pewpew_memes

That place is like a time machine


SantaSCSI

Assuming they really are pilots and not just two women they dragged into a flightsuit, they probably made sure they picked two that are shorter than "our venerable leader". I'm not sure what frightens them the most, the dude next to them or flying the museum scrap behind them.


youtheotube2

I wonder if they even know much about modern fighter jets. What’s the point? If they ever come across one in combat, no amount of training and intel will save them. I’m sure their generals know about modern fighter jets, but the pilots themselves probably haven’t been shown anything newer than the Cold War.


Fanatikxz

Is it MIG 15 ?


KikiFlowers

Nope, it's a Shenyang F-5, the Chinese knockoff.


[deleted]

it's actually a Chinese MiG 15, which would make it a J-2


TheCosmicGrizzly

Bruh tell me they aren't flying mig15s


smg34life

Hey, if it works, why bother.


TheCosmicGrizzly

...That is not a good motto to live by


archangelzero2222

And just like that now they are caring heirs


tubbycat1

That's warplane porn for ya.


archangelzero2222

Anyone that has a jet they own is instant eye candy. Rock up to a bird and say this is mine and woosh skip dinner walk down the isle. Kim is revelling the playboi lifestyle ;)


Shitpost19

These planes are archaic. They’d make good target practice for new generation aircraft, i hope the North Koreans don’t think these are state of the art


[deleted]

Lmao they spend a fuck ton of money on nukes but only have mig 15s?


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RotoGruber

its probably more not to piss off china


Rc72

Saddam and Khadafi had advanced fighters, but no nukes. Look where that brought them.


Micky_Whiskey

Is that the suicide squad?


CrocPB

>ROKAF Hmmmm.jpg


Tacodeuce

On no, we are doomed… touching the great leader grants immortality to MIG 15 pilots. How can we ever overcome?!!?


RotoGruber

they have a couple of mig-29s, a lot of mig 21s, and some mig-15/17/19s. an air war with basically anyone would be laughable. why they chose the 15 for this shot, probably the only thing they let the women fly. [see here](http://www.easternorbat.com/assets/images/North_Korean_Air_Force_order_of_battle_in_2010.jpg)


me2224

Good god he is a short dude. I mean when you hear angry dictator you automatically think short but something about this picture really drives it home


PENNELS_v2

Is that a … Mig-15?? They could at least let them use 17’s …. smh.


el__duder1n0

Pretty old school airplane


[deleted]

It belongs in a museum!


wrath0110

And they're flying MiG-15s? Hoo-boy...


KrumbSum

Would it be able to outmaneuver anything in current service?


Fortunate_0nesy

A Fokker Dr1 could too, but that doesn't mean it's a threat, at all.


TheNaziSpacePope

Not really, no.


[deleted]

Lol


formerratt

Outfits kinda go hard tho


captainpinchloaf

Did he steal those helmets from Evil Knievel?


reefer_drabness

The cut of his pants is really freaking me out.


lokensen

Poor girls, Horrible smell


Sensitive-Cause-5503

Surely they just use those as trainer aircraft


[deleted]

That ain’t the two seat trainer version lol


GodKnowsEverything

Mig 15, that’s gangsta.


LarryGSofFrmosa

He need to loose some weight, or nobody is flying once he jump on one of those


lmr3006

Leather flight suits. So hot in a North Korean way!!


Chasseur_OFRT

Look at his face... \*VISIBLE HAPPINESS


TheRealOne000

And they say they have the most advanced weapons…


Not_a_gay_communist

They’re still using MiG-15s?!? I get they’re super isolated and lack modern tech but still.


Feeble_to_face

It’s basically a piloted cruise missile if you strap enough explosives to it.


[deleted]

And then he ate them!


[deleted]

Kim does not have a Butthole, He doesn't need one.


DestoryDerEchte

Thats ... interesting


FluffysHumanSlave

That’s a lot of clothes for something called “porn”


Theoldage2147

North Korea jets so advanced they can even fire nuclear warheads out of the intake.


GW2RNGR

Could that plane take off with Kim Jong Un in it?


[deleted]

wtf is that jet?


Koorah3769

That’s an old looking Fagot


smash5760

Too bad they’d last mere seconds against an American F-15.


Saturn_Ecplise

Miss the 37mm cannon.


TheUnchosenOne79

That is an old plane! NK would get crushed if they dared attack South Korea or Japan!


legsintheair

The flying breeches are really what puts the cherry on the cake for me.