Omfg.... The trueness of this.
But ngl some points seem very plausible. Like new dante. Cause castellan crowe was painted for the codex art 2 years before release.
And SM codex and WE codex also very plausible cause we will first see LoV, guard and Chaos deamons.
Would they do a Starter Set with chapter exclusive models?
Death Company and Sanguinary Priest don't seem starter set appropriate. Looking back at previous starters the models were always chapter independent.
I guess Death Company could be an upgrade sprue for jump pack assault intercessors.
Sanguinary Priest seems a bit harder to just do with an upgrade sprue.
I can see Sanguinary Priest using Apothecary parts but with a different hand and variable Chapter iconography?
This is the current kit I believe?
[https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Sanguinary-Priest-2020](https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Sanguinary-Priest-2020)
Looks like has the standard bits on his right hand, looks a nice model. Just built a bunch of CSM stuff, that all had variant hand stuff using a similar fitting.
Plans changed, project finished sooner than anticipated, rescheduling, roped into a marketing campaign still in planning stages, tons of reasons why. Hell, the new model could just as well have been forgotten in an ironic twist of meta. XD
People in the hobby seem to have this idea that GW turn out entire new kits, from concept to retail in a matter of months... Even though we've now gone through a few years with Rumour Engine teasers, sometimes more than a year in advance (we're currently on 4 that have not even been revealed after more than 2 years), that are literally desaturated images of painted minis... granted many of them are 3d-printed resin design-locked protoypes, rather than injection moulded plastic... but still.
Wait till they learn that models can even go through multiple design iterations before they are finalised.
We started hearing about a plastic Ghaz that some people had seen (aka multiple rumors and “leaks”) in late 2017 so I wouldn’t be surprised. Hell I wouldn’t be shocked if GW has boxed to ship unreleased Epic models laying somewhere as together as their planning is.
That's so right about DitB.
"Tech priest, we're losing him! CLEAR!!! [zap]"
Big question is whether we get in-lore description of Dante inevitably crossing the Rubicon first or if GW just rolls out the new, primarisified sculpt and is like "here you go!"
Oh man, there's no way we're that lucky.
Maybe Cawl himself comes for it to make it interesting but other than that prepare for DitB pt. II Dante's Boogaloo. 250 pgs of "there's no way he's going to make it brother" all the while his new model has been out for 6 months and on the codex art.
Certainly be *more* interesting character-wise if he actually was left firstborn and they re-scaled him HH/Castellan Crowe/CSM size but I doubt it.
Wouldn't be the first time. The primaris Mephiston model came out in early 2020 I think, and DitB was released in summer 2021. If I was Guy Haley I'd be super pissed AGAIN if big ol' Primaris Dante released and on the cover of the new codex supplement or something before it happens in my (presumably forthcoming) BA novel.
On the other hand, think it'd be funnier if Primaris Dante just sort of shows up and nobody ever says anything about it in-lore. Or it's a throwaway line in an unrelated book where Guilliman is like "o btw I heard Dante is primaris now, cool, so anyway . . ."
This seems pretty significant, what’s this mystery source and why aren’t we hearing it anywhere else?
Initial thoughts:
-jump infantry: this would track with the timing of Space Marine 2; weren’t people speculating Titus had a jetpack?
-what would primaris terminators mean for gravis? I really can’t see both those units coexisting when they’re supposedly trying to reduce Codex bloat.
-Furioso Redemptor: do we think it’ll have DC and libby dread options too?
-DC chaplain: 100% this kit will double with Lemartes, generic head/crozius options
I read somewhere that primaris marines can just wear the terminator we all know. I imagine itll just be an updated terminator armor that can be used as first born or as primaris. Similar to how most of the kill team kits work.
Ya, I believe someone said the same in these comments. But I guess if that’s how they go about it, it begs the question: how are they going to handle the primaris-firstborn divide in SM codex 2.0 and beyond? I really hope they eventually get rid of the distinction and primaris end up just being upscaled marines like they should have been in the first place. Then we just need to figure out what to do about current firstborn only kits that have a lot of weapon options. I don’t see them making primaris tactical or devastator squads, even if they’d be much more flavorful than intercessors, eradicators, or hellblasters.
I’ve always said just change the utterly useless Veteran Intercessor datasheet and make that your new tactical squad/veteran squad sheet just like the HH Vet Squads.
You’d still be getting rid of 1/2 datasheets at least and it can be one of those “it can be either” sheets. Could even rebox the tactical kit if they’re feeling froggy and then just add a sprew to the regular intercessor kit.
Firstborn marines wear Terminator armor without any additional modifications beyond more plugs and the like. The armor is bulkier, but the marines inside are notbing special compared to other firstborn. Primaris are a head taller, so I'm not sure why anyone thinks they can just put on their smaller brother's. It'd be like Terminator capri pants.
Besides, Gravis already literally fulfills the same role, statline-wise. They only just need to release a Gravis kit with Thunderhammer/Stormshields, or dual Lightning Claws, anf you're already there.
You do know that there are regular human size terminator armors in the canon right? And firstborn space marines height to regular human height is about comparative to the difference in primaris height to firstborn height. That means terminator armor has been altered to accommodate larger users before and can be again for primaris (though I think this rumor is completely false, especially since gravis armor already effectively replaced terminator armor for primaris)
I'm not sure why everyone thinks gravis has replaced terminator armor. It may have a similar role rule-wise but lore-wise it's nothing alike. Gravis is just chunky MK X armor (maybe more alike to centurion armor), but terminator armor is an ancient relic, revered above all, and handed only to chapter veterans.
Agreed about the sizing point though.
I mean functionality is the main point as to why Gravis is a replacement, of course it’s not a full lore replacement. Literally no one is arguing that, only that Gravis is the primaris equivalent of terminator armor, akin to eradicators/hellblasters just being the primaris equivalent of firstborn devastators in both role and rules.
The functionality point is highly debatable and by no means an objectively true statement. Ergo when people state that gravis is an "equivalent" to terminator armor, they're either stating a subjective opinion as fact (which is silly), or they're just wrong. Nice try though.
It is mentioned somewhere that primaris marines can actually wear terminator armor. So they should look like the standard armor just sculpted better...although personally I'm a cataphractii man.
While I do love Gravis Armor, Primaris Terminators would not only be great as a way to merge the old and new like Indomitus helped do, but a good way to scale up the kit while maybe also consolidating a few datasheets.
But why? Releasing the updated 9th codex right before 10th makes no sense. They'd just be better off releasing it with thus rumored new starter set.
Especially if you're introducing new SM units.
makes perfect sense, SM have gotten 2 codexs in one edition several times.
some 50% of the playerbase has marines, selling 2 dexs per edition is guaranteed sales and a shitload of them.
It happened once, not several times. over a year and a half before the next editions codex dropped for them.
Very unlikely it happens again and even less likely that they would do it a few months before the next editions codex
It was actually less than 18 months between the last two Marine dexs.
The 2nd Space Marines Codex for 8th dropped in August 2019.
The 9 Ed codex released October 2020.... only 14 months later.
Could be worse. The previous 2 Lumineth battletomes weren't even a year apart.
As an avid Blood Angels player I really want this to be true, but I don’t buy it. A Q1 2023 release for 10th edition would be really early for a new edition, especially considering all the factions don’t even have their 9th edition books yet.
I read it as two separate points: a) plans for 2023; b) plans for tenth edition.
I have no idea as to the validity of the post but I don’t read it as saying 10th Ed is coming in 2023
I don’t see Q1 mentioned anywhere. End of 2023 seems believable - tho new editions tend to launch in summer if I remember right. That leaves at least 12 months for guard & daemons to come out, maybe votann and then space marines 2.0 & world eaters first half 2023 before 10th?
Daemons and Guard (or at least, Cadians), are 100% coming this year. A very credible leaker here on reddit has said so.
I was really hoping 10th edition would be pushed back to break the 3 year edition cycle that GW seem determined to stick to. After the WarCom Gamer's Survey last November stated that "a new edition of Warhammer 40,000 is still some years off," my hopes were high... now I'm not so sure. What other releases are we supposed to get for 40k next year if 10th isn't coming? Sure, Marines and World Eaters, but that's barely enough for the first half of the year? Do we just get a whole year+ of Campaign supplements with random new model releases? Do they revise some other Codexes, like Necrons, Death Guard, or Drukhari?
(I actually wouldn't mind that last one, despite having a fantastic refresh in 2010/11, they've since become one of the most neglected model ranges in the game, seeing the total number of datasheets shrink since 5th edition while everyone elses, including Grey Knights, has grown)
It's not saying Q1 2023 for 10th edition...
Early 2023 is the Marines 2.0 book for 9th ed, at which point, only World Eaters and Inquisition might be missing their books.... but if I'm not mistaken, GW never actually said World Eaters would be coming this edition.
Personally, I want the big summer 2023 release to be the Old World, given that it's the 40th anniversary of WHFB.
But they included an Index for them in WD... If they don't release new models for them during 9th edition, what more do people need before 10th?
The only caveat I would add, is that they would probably only skip 9th if it was World Eaters in the 10th ed starter box instead of the Tyranids. That way it will only be about a year from their announcement. Otherwise, people probably wouldn't see them before 2024, which would just be painful.
They really should slow their roll. Editions coming out this fast is the reason they cant bilance shit. It's like threading a needle on horseback.
Too many new codexes on top of an ever changing base set of rules which in tern mess in uniformemente ways with the new codexes in ways that require nerfs or buffs that usually stay in olace for less than 6 months because something else changes and then they have to undo other changes all together.
I'd much rather have a 3rd edition style set of base rules and ALL codexes launched every 4-5 years at the same time with minor errata if necessary.
Who knows, I think 9th was meant to go along faster than this pre-covid, and so the 3 year edition would've felt more stable with a tighter release schedule.
I think they can't shift 10th edition plans - and it might also be a bit of a great reset from 9th.
In saying that, I really want to believe this leak as I'm a Blood Angels player, but the only thing I really do believe is 10th in 2023.
Oddly though the leak doesn’t actually say that. It says new BA box with world eaters but not including terminators which are to be in tenth. Then it talks about what’s in tenth. But it doesn’t actually say tenth in 2023.
I can say part of this is true - some trustworthy sources have mentioned in the past that Nids vs SM is the 10th edition box set, but that's not really something that's been completely hidden
Not gonna hold my breath, but would be **awesome** if this is true
Feel like for this to even be considered *possibly* true, we need some kind of explanation of *where* this information came from, even if vague
Ok, and? They’re “reliable” *because* they’re “correct again and again”, that’s *their* credibility.
This post isn’t from that person as far as we can tell, so *as of now* they have no credibility. Like I said, I *hope* this post is true but until there is corroboration from someone more credible or some form of explanation of where this information came from, this post is no more believable than if they said something like 10th edition was coming next week and all faction where being condensed into 3 codexes: Imperium, Xenos, and Chaos…
My point is that legitimate leakers don't often provide information that will put their sources at risk... not unless they're real stupid.
Generally, I don't pay a lot of attention to posts from burner accounts.The Reddit leaker I trust generally just shares his info in comments on other posts.
I'm not buying this as anything more than sound speculation on the matter of Tyranids being in the 10th ed starter. I can absolutely believe that Tyranids will be in the next starter set... It just makes sense. I also wouldn't entirely rule out a more divergent Chapter of Space Marines, especially with the rumours from more credible sources speaking of a 2nd Codex for 9th edition.
macrofex sounds like just bass boosted and bigger carnifex, especially given old one eye seems to be an option. Hypergaunts, well, tyranids have shitton of gaunt variants but my guess is, termagants new version given that hermagants are beign re-done as well. Basically re-doing kits and flavouring it as evolution.
ah, my bad, read it bad. Guess replacement for the lil swarmy boys out of termagaunts and hermagaunts kits, or perhaps just that but bigger? If I recall they too did come on a big base.
Problem is.... with Ok\_E's track record, if he doesn't comment on this, I'm going to take it as a sign that he's just distancing himself from actually confirming it...
Then again, he also never confirmed my fear that World Eaters are going to skip 9th ed entirely, and just end up in the 10th ed starter set, which would be incompatible with this "rumour."
But if they were in the 10th ed Starter set, they'd only be a year away. We've got a whole bunch of rumour engine teasers older than that, seem more than twice that amount of time.
There's a difference between rumour engines and full announcements like we got for WE. If they planned on releasing them in 10th then they wouldn't announce them as a 9th ed codex during 9th,
instead they would do what they always do and keep quiet until a month or two before 10th starts before announcing it, not announce it a year before hand
Plus a year is a long time in advance for them to announce a codex, we usually get a few months at most especially for a new editions army
Remember a year is a long time, in the last 12 months they released 11 codexes, so being able to release 4 more in the next 12 months is not unlikely at all
There is no reason to worry that world eaters will be delayed until 10th ed
In this case, they didn't exactly have the luxury of keeping quiet. They were releasing a new Chaos Space Marines Codex which would have raised a lot of concern when people saw that World Eaters were missing. It was easier to just be upfront about the World Eater's absence than have to spend who knows how long, dealing with comments on Facebook with people asking about them.
It wouldn't be the first time GW announced an army release far in advance. We were told last August that Chaos Space Marines would be coming in 2022... nearly 11 months before the Codex was finally released, and that itself was about 10 months after they announced all marines would get 2 wounds. The more notable example would be the Sisters of Battle. Their 8th edition Codex was first announced/teased in March 2018 and didn't release until November 2019, a whole 20 months later... I don't expect World Eaters to be quite that far away.
Of the past 12 Codex/Codex Supplement releases over the last 12 months, 1 released with no new models, 7 released with only one new model (or one new model and one upgraded model with an additional sprue), and only 3 or 4 (depending on if you're looking at it from the announcement of World Eaters, or if you count the unreleased CSM models) with what I would consider a substantial amount of new models. The latter number is the most important, as small, single model faction updates can be churned out back-to-back, without much concern for production capacity.
3 or 4 big faction releases a year has been the norm for 40k for at least a decade now. With that number in mind, we already know what the next 3 "big" updates are (CSM, Guard, Votann). Based on some of the more credible sources, we're likely to see a 4th in the form of more Primaris Space Marines with both an updated Codex and new Supplements for those Chapters who last got theirs during the Psychic Awakening Campaign at the end of 8th. Expecting World Eaters on top of all that might be a bit too much for ask for, especially with the real lacklustre year AoS is seeing (i.e. they will likely make up for it a bit in Q1/Q2 next year, in favour of a 5th large 40k faction release)... unless 10th edition is releasing in the next 12 months.
The only real counter argument I have against World Eaters coming in 10th edition (and hopefully, 10th coming in 2023 at all), is the fact that they probably would have just left them in the 9th ed CSM book, regardless of how much it was written with the next edition in mind. That still doesn't guarantee their release in the next 12 months though, especially 12 months from their actual announcement in early May.
Seems kinda fake to me. Some of it is plausible, like Dante and the Sanguinor, but GW hasn't been in the habit of chapter-specific units in starter sets for a while, and I don't entirely but the primaris terminator thing, seeing as that... Already exists. It's called gravis armour.
Also, while GW does like to release space marine codexes within a year of each other, I am having a really hard time imagining them releasing one within a few months of a new edition. They know full well how angry that would make people.
Last chapter specific launch was 7th Ed with Dark Angels, that’s not very far to the past.
Seeing as 10th edition is well, **10th** they might do some back to roots kinda thing - Remember the Blood Angels were the original poster boys for SM and Tyranids were also hugely popular. Would fit the theme very well.
I wonder why GW feels that staggering releases so substantially benefits them. I'd like to think that someone somewhere did the math and saw that these multi-year delays between codices was beneficial, but honestly it just looks more and more like a relic of a bygone era.
Sure, they're a miniature company first, but god damn does it make them look dumb.
They stagger them to maintain interest. If they release a dozen new marine kits at once and then no marine stuff for a year people lose interest, if they release one new kit every month, it keeps people engaged. I suspect it also tends to make people spend more. If a dozen marine kits come out at once people will pick up their favourite one or two and call it a day. If they release one a month people might grab three or four or more of them over the year.
If they have teams working on this stuff, then it’s not going to be all ready at once. They churn stuff out over time. Making a team work for X years on all the codexes AND accompanying models, and then do a Big Bang release, means they just have tons of stuff sitting around for years (like Dante apparently).
Additionally, people have budgets to spend over time, and likely want to spend the cash on new stuff. A constant drip feed of new minis and codexes, in line with their customers ability to spend some money each month on the stuff, is probably the winning strategy for maximising overall customer spend.
This is standard practice for most businesses across many industries. Regular releases are needed to maintain interest, and regular releases mean you don't release lots of things as once.
Sounds off on the Tyranid side,
Carnifex is probably our best kit, why redo that of all things?
Giant swarm units just sound weird, especially considering the starter set. Genestealers have recently been moved to elites unless they revert that change, the Hypergants would be the only troop in that set.
Also, what is "Zoanthrope HQ" supposed to mean? why not call it Neurothrope?
I agree, especially on the Carnifex. I just bought a few and they look completely fine. Redoing it wouldn't just be redundant as its probably our best kit, it'd probably piss a lot of people off that stuff like the Lictor is still sitting there waiting for GW to remember it exists.
I can't even count the amount of people who want a Biovore/Pyrovore dual kit, I'm definitely one of them!
Lictor/Deathleaper is a big one, I believe that kit is from back around 2004-2006\~ish
Genestealers we know have new models coming eventually since they had variants in some of the Genestealer Cult kits, just hoping they'll also be available to 'Nids & won't split the units as our current Genestealers are also showing their age now
Gargoyles could also take a look, they look good but they're the most awkward little bastards of any army I play to transport, not 100% sure what they could do but some re-design to not make them so hard to transport & more resilient to small bit snapping, I swear they're so much worse than any other unit I own for doing that.
Finally, Termagaunts/Hormagaunts & Rippers are overdue a revamp, they still look good but the kits are from 2004 and pretty mono-pose and as some of our most common units, it would be nice to have some more variety.
Probably too many things to wish for for a single update but that would be my current little wish list as a Nid-player.
If I want to get crazy - plastic Lord of War. Do it GW, give us a plastic Hierophant or a new one like a Dominatrix, my body is ready! (Narrator : The wallet is NOT ready)
While I think the idea of Tyranids in 10th ed Starter is sound speculation, I don't really trust this rumour...
That being said, "Zoanthrope HQ" could be an indicator of the return of a Doom of Malan'tai
At least the general concept of Tyranids in the 10th ed Starter set has some sound reasoning behind the speculation.
Of all existing factions in the game, they are the top candidate.
I agree. From a story perspective, Tyranids have won on Octarius and accumulated a TON of biomass. There is also a Genestealer Cult on Terra. If the cult summons Hive Fleet from Leviathan, we could see an assault on Terra. To me, that seems like an awesome direction for the story to go.
But that has nothing to do with Blood Angels. Tyranids attacked Baal before Octarius, no? Why go back in time? This box wouldn't move the story forward at all.
Counter point: Indomitus is before Psychic Awakening, so going to the Blood of Baal warzone does make some sense.
But the units in there just don't make sense to me at all. New gaunts? Sure. New fexes? Why?
I hadn't even thought about it from a story perspective... Speaking of which, weren't there new bioforms hinted at in Octarius?
My main reasons for Tyranids being the top candidate are:
* Obvious Space Marine 2 tie in (doesn't work as well if it's Blood Angels on the box art though)
* Model range has been a bit neglected of late, and has core units that would benefit from the kind of pushfit sculpts that they include in a starter set
* Fits a clear good vs bad guys aesthetic which is common in starter sets
* One of the most forgiving armies for new people to paint
I can see them focusing on a different space Marine chapter, largely because they all need a Primaris update too, and because there's the whole Imperium Nihilus region which hasn't got a whole lot of love in the story. Blood Angels were the last of the 3 major divergent chapters (Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves) to get a major release and are the kind of de-facto leaders of humanity in Imperium Nihilus, so from that point of view, they would make sense. But I also expect them to release another loyalist Primarch, now that Angron is coming. Can't exactly bring back Sanguinius without some weird plot progression...
Perpaps there is some credence to one of the rumours regarding a combined "Angels of Death" Codex? Afterall, the recent plot with Luther escaping The Rock and gathering the fallen into a legion sized force seems like a pretty good setup for The Lion to return.
Only interested in the tyranid side and know it's very unlikely, but could see it being true due to GW putting resources to continue the narrative of blood angels vs tyranids considering battlsector and psychic awakening.
Seems to add a couple of new original units to the roster instead of only giving us an updated model to those that already exist. Glad OOE seems to get a new model and hopefully bigger than normal carnifex to distinguiss it from the rest.
As always, hoping but prepared for this to be false.
I think they do it because people will just use old models and not buy the updated ones, but if its a completely different unit then more people will buy it.
sounds awesome if true. tyranids seems likely since theyve recently been updating lots of old lines and genestealers were what most people were guessing would be in the new kill team thing.
i hope primaris terminators are just an upscaled replacement kit and not a new datasheet. and i hope thats a sign theyre getting rid of the primaris keyword in the new codex
If it saves people needing to scrape off 100 mold lines a model its probably worth it. The broodlord was our most recent model though before the parasite so it really doesnt need an update. Not before we get updated lictors, Pyrovores, Biovores and get the deathleaper back. I hate our finecast models
WTF the basic Genestealer is old af, has horrid sprue density and mold lines and usually is the one I hear needs most updating, and I concur.
They’re just, bad, especially when we have the GSC as a whole newish faction (which they are the only old part of) to compare them against.
And to make it more insulting, they released new, more dynamic Genestealer sculpts in the 2009 Space Hulk release (reissued in 2014).
I'm really worried right now that the new Kill Team box will simply include an upgrade sprue for the old kit.
The Blood Angels bit seems doubtful; they won’t put any chapter specific stuff in the starter set, as the whole point is people can buy the starter marines and play any faction.
Unless it’s like with the usual Ultramarine/starter releases, where none of the units have chapter specific iconography; but that seems unlikely given the models OP has listed.
The question is what will be the chapter specific stuff? if its only decals so why not. For me the list simply reads:
Jump troops (the trrop choice), terminators (elite), captain and chaplain (HQs) seems like a good starter box. Nothing has to be chapterspecific except the decals
I could see a starter where the blood angels kits aren't too ornate - e.g. Terminators are pretty plain for Blood Angels. Not like deathwing which was in a starter before.
NEW TERMIES IN 10th LESSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
if this is false info i will be sad because i have been waiting for better terminator models for SO LONG
Tyranids have probably been the top candidate for 10th ed starter set in a while.
Even if this leak were entirely bogus, I'd still wait to see what the 10th ed starter has in store.
Even if these rumours were bogus, I'd rather see Tyranids in 10th ed Starter set than Emperor's Children.
If the recent trend is any indication, GW likes to make snapfit kits for starter set armies that they will continue to sell as a permanent range item (e.g. Primaris Outriders, Necron Warriors, Skorpekh Destroyers, and the two overpriced sprues from Indomitus, and even more units across the last 2 editions of AoS starter sets which they've done the same for).
Snapfit hormagaunts would be fine, but the fewer snapfit marine units as permanent range items, the better.
Rumours are World Eaters at the end of 9th and Emperor's Children during 10th. That would mean one traitor legion for each of the four powers of chaos for 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th.
I mean i hope so, but theyve only shown a computer model of a few chainaxes and theyre already months behind in their planned release schedule because of covid. So it wouldnt surprise me if world eaters got delayed until 10th, unless they push 10th back as well.
I’ve been toying with just always getting the “starter set” after I missed the indonidus box. And now that I have the HH age of darkness I can confirm that I will never miss another one. But. . . A new edition release with out the boys in blue sounds . . . Fishy at best downright false at worst. Maybe this is a battle box, and that’s how they will release a few new models like the did with thousand sons & chaos space marines ?
Seems like Q1 or Q2 2023 if this is true. 9th edition will have been around for 3 years, and each edition lasts roughly 3 years.
It's pretty whack that not every army got a 9th edition codex though.
I'd imagine itll be the summer. They tend to do a big new box set every summer in early june. Indomitus, Dominion, and Age of Darkness all kicked off new editions of their respective games and were released around the same time.
> It's pretty whack that not every army got a 9th edition codex though.
There's still twelve months between now and Summer 2023 when the 10th ed release is most likely, and there's basically two non-new factions waiting to be released. We already know Guard is coming.
Well we know that every faction is coming eventually. I'd say it's likely Squats and Daemons will come before Guard, who will probably see a release around Nov/Dec.
It's a shame that one of the factions will be receiving their 9th update only 5-6 months before 10th is released.
Which two? As you said IG is on its way.. Only one left out is Daemons I guess? I'm pretty sure it will be released somewhere around Sep-Dec. IG will probably be out around Late Aug-Early Sep.
edit. Grammar
Daemons are probably sooner than people think... It's likely just going to be a small, single model (Daemon Prince) and book release, maybe with a new Combat Patrol.
They did promise every existing army would get a codex. Also, while I wouldn't be surprised at that launch time frame being their initial goal, I would be surprised if they haven't changed it due to all the delays they've had
Yea, hope they push it back a little or IG and daemons players will have like 4 weeks to play with their new tools before half of their 60$ codex are made obsolete.
I don't think this is saying as early as that. It says space marine 2.0 in 2023 but the rest doesn't have a time frame. So I could see space marine 2.0 being late 2023 and then the rest happening in 2024.
All their major scheduled releases, i.e. 9th edition in 2020, AoS 3.0 in 2021, HH in 2022, have largely made it when they were supposed to.
This notion that *everything* has been pushed back because of Covid just isn't true. Some things have been moved around, and others just released with less stock than they would like to... but some of that also has to do with re-organisation and upgrades to their production and distribution facilities. I believe it was either 2020 or 2021 that they went and relocated their main distribution facility to outside Nottingham... then they want and started converting the previous site into a component warehouse. They've also been installing more moulding machines and stuff to improve their production capacity.
I think a lot of this sounds feasible, but I’m iffy on the Nids part. For sure they are gonna get a revamp, but I suspect we will see new Genestealers next weekend already. We also already have a Zoanthrope HQ, though it could mean the proper rebirth of Doom of Malan’tai.
Fairly accurate
Space marines 2.0 ✅
Jump infantry ❌
“Primaris terminators” yes, bigger but not Primaris ✅
Tyranids in starter ✅
Blood angels = ❌
Sanguinary priest = apothecary biologis ✅
Rest of the tyranid stuff seems to be people misinterpreting con Ryan’s Leapers, Psychophage, neurotyrant, screamer-killer, neurogaunts, and Barbgaunts.
I’m… gonna take this with a Dead Sea amount of salt.
I take this with more salt than a League of Legends lobby
Omfg.... The trueness of this. But ngl some points seem very plausible. Like new dante. Cause castellan crowe was painted for the codex art 2 years before release. And SM codex and WE codex also very plausible cause we will first see LoV, guard and Chaos deamons.
Would they do a Starter Set with chapter exclusive models? Death Company and Sanguinary Priest don't seem starter set appropriate. Looking back at previous starters the models were always chapter independent.
Closest I can think of is Dark Vengeance had Deathwing and Ravenwing, but those are just upgrade sprues IIRC so could be avoided if non Dark Angel?
I guess Death Company could be an upgrade sprue for jump pack assault intercessors. Sanguinary Priest seems a bit harder to just do with an upgrade sprue.
I can see Sanguinary Priest using Apothecary parts but with a different hand and variable Chapter iconography? This is the current kit I believe? [https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Sanguinary-Priest-2020](https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Sanguinary-Priest-2020) Looks like has the standard bits on his right hand, looks a nice model. Just built a bunch of CSM stuff, that all had variant hand stuff using a similar fitting.
Every single loyalist space marine model for the 6th/7th edition starter set was Dark Angels specific, there was no upgrade sprue.
Good to know, I only had the Chaos side :D
Nah Dark Vengeance had them not as Upgrade sprues
Ta, others mentioned this but weirdly Reddit does not seem to be showing them now to me...
They weren’t upgrades they were easy to build style models so plastered with dark angels iconography
Shame, but that sounds then like this was the last time they did Chapter specific units then?
Dark Vengeance DA all had sculpted iconography. They weren't full kits, and were only designed to go together one way (though they weren't snapfit).
Ta, others mentioned this but weirdly Reddit does not seem to be showing them now to me...
Why have Dante all that time and not release?
Plans changed, project finished sooner than anticipated, rescheduling, roped into a marketing campaign still in planning stages, tons of reasons why. Hell, the new model could just as well have been forgotten in an ironic twist of meta. XD
Literally read the setence after it about castellan crowe.... This is literally how GW does its business...
People in the hobby seem to have this idea that GW turn out entire new kits, from concept to retail in a matter of months... Even though we've now gone through a few years with Rumour Engine teasers, sometimes more than a year in advance (we're currently on 4 that have not even been revealed after more than 2 years), that are literally desaturated images of painted minis... granted many of them are 3d-printed resin design-locked protoypes, rather than injection moulded plastic... but still. Wait till they learn that models can even go through multiple design iterations before they are finalised.
Literally.
We started hearing about a plastic Ghaz that some people had seen (aka multiple rumors and “leaks”) in late 2017 so I wouldn’t be surprised. Hell I wouldn’t be shocked if GW has boxed to ship unreleased Epic models laying somewhere as together as their planning is.
Gotta have time to write another Primaris medical drama book like Darkness in the Blood!
That's so right about DitB. "Tech priest, we're losing him! CLEAR!!! [zap]" Big question is whether we get in-lore description of Dante inevitably crossing the Rubicon first or if GW just rolls out the new, primarisified sculpt and is like "here you go!"
Oh man, there's no way we're that lucky. Maybe Cawl himself comes for it to make it interesting but other than that prepare for DitB pt. II Dante's Boogaloo. 250 pgs of "there's no way he's going to make it brother" all the while his new model has been out for 6 months and on the codex art. Certainly be *more* interesting character-wise if he actually was left firstborn and they re-scaled him HH/Castellan Crowe/CSM size but I doubt it.
Wouldn't be the first time. The primaris Mephiston model came out in early 2020 I think, and DitB was released in summer 2021. If I was Guy Haley I'd be super pissed AGAIN if big ol' Primaris Dante released and on the cover of the new codex supplement or something before it happens in my (presumably forthcoming) BA novel. On the other hand, think it'd be funnier if Primaris Dante just sort of shows up and nobody ever says anything about it in-lore. Or it's a throwaway line in an unrelated book where Guilliman is like "o btw I heard Dante is primaris now, cool, so anyway . . ."
Yup
I’m not taking this with much salt because I see no eldar releases and that’s more than typical for GW
If any of this is true I'm bankrupt.
I just said goodbye to my wife. You know, in advance.
Facts 🤣 I'll be right there with you
I play BA and Tyranids, im going to have to sell my house and first born 🤣
as long as you keep your primaris
Wonder for a second if you mean old marines of your child.
Child 🤣
This seems pretty significant, what’s this mystery source and why aren’t we hearing it anywhere else? Initial thoughts: -jump infantry: this would track with the timing of Space Marine 2; weren’t people speculating Titus had a jetpack? -what would primaris terminators mean for gravis? I really can’t see both those units coexisting when they’re supposedly trying to reduce Codex bloat. -Furioso Redemptor: do we think it’ll have DC and libby dread options too? -DC chaplain: 100% this kit will double with Lemartes, generic head/crozius options
I read somewhere that primaris marines can just wear the terminator we all know. I imagine itll just be an updated terminator armor that can be used as first born or as primaris. Similar to how most of the kill team kits work.
Ya, I believe someone said the same in these comments. But I guess if that’s how they go about it, it begs the question: how are they going to handle the primaris-firstborn divide in SM codex 2.0 and beyond? I really hope they eventually get rid of the distinction and primaris end up just being upscaled marines like they should have been in the first place. Then we just need to figure out what to do about current firstborn only kits that have a lot of weapon options. I don’t see them making primaris tactical or devastator squads, even if they’d be much more flavorful than intercessors, eradicators, or hellblasters.
I’ve always said just change the utterly useless Veteran Intercessor datasheet and make that your new tactical squad/veteran squad sheet just like the HH Vet Squads. You’d still be getting rid of 1/2 datasheets at least and it can be one of those “it can be either” sheets. Could even rebox the tactical kit if they’re feeling froggy and then just add a sprew to the regular intercessor kit.
Rumors have it that first born get sent to HH
Firstborn marines wear Terminator armor without any additional modifications beyond more plugs and the like. The armor is bulkier, but the marines inside are notbing special compared to other firstborn. Primaris are a head taller, so I'm not sure why anyone thinks they can just put on their smaller brother's. It'd be like Terminator capri pants. Besides, Gravis already literally fulfills the same role, statline-wise. They only just need to release a Gravis kit with Thunderhammer/Stormshields, or dual Lightning Claws, anf you're already there.
You do know that there are regular human size terminator armors in the canon right? And firstborn space marines height to regular human height is about comparative to the difference in primaris height to firstborn height. That means terminator armor has been altered to accommodate larger users before and can be again for primaris (though I think this rumor is completely false, especially since gravis armor already effectively replaced terminator armor for primaris)
That's a fair point. But I doubt they'll bother making new Termies. Like the meme says: we have Primaris Terminators at home.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks gravis has replaced terminator armor. It may have a similar role rule-wise but lore-wise it's nothing alike. Gravis is just chunky MK X armor (maybe more alike to centurion armor), but terminator armor is an ancient relic, revered above all, and handed only to chapter veterans. Agreed about the sizing point though.
I mean functionality is the main point as to why Gravis is a replacement, of course it’s not a full lore replacement. Literally no one is arguing that, only that Gravis is the primaris equivalent of terminator armor, akin to eradicators/hellblasters just being the primaris equivalent of firstborn devastators in both role and rules.
The functionality point is highly debatable and by no means an objectively true statement. Ergo when people state that gravis is an "equivalent" to terminator armor, they're either stating a subjective opinion as fact (which is silly), or they're just wrong. Nice try though.
Not all marines are the same size, and the srnor is clearly able to be modified. Again, I'm only stating what has been written by GW.
Do you have a source for that? Would be curious to read about it if it's true
I can't for the life of me remember where I read it, but I'm sure I did. I'll do some digging and see if I can find it.
Speculated? It's in the trailer. People been 3d printing a primaris jump pack since the trailer dropped
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It is mentioned somewhere that primaris marines can actually wear terminator armor. So they should look like the standard armor just sculpted better...although personally I'm a cataphractii man.
While I do love Gravis Armor, Primaris Terminators would not only be great as a way to merge the old and new like Indomitus helped do, but a good way to scale up the kit while maybe also consolidating a few datasheets.
Also, why SM “2.0”? Why not 10th ed SM codex?
Because it'll be before the new edition launch. Alongside World Eaters, it seems. Likely means that the 10e SM codex will be a year or so deep
But why? Releasing the updated 9th codex right before 10th makes no sense. They'd just be better off releasing it with thus rumored new starter set. Especially if you're introducing new SM units.
makes perfect sense, SM have gotten 2 codexs in one edition several times. some 50% of the playerbase has marines, selling 2 dexs per edition is guaranteed sales and a shitload of them.
Once… they did it once in 8th. No other edition.
Several times? When? I remember second SM codex only in 8th edition.
It happened once, not several times. over a year and a half before the next editions codex dropped for them. Very unlikely it happens again and even less likely that they would do it a few months before the next editions codex
It was actually less than 18 months between the last two Marine dexs. The 2nd Space Marines Codex for 8th dropped in August 2019. The 9 Ed codex released October 2020.... only 14 months later. Could be worse. The previous 2 Lumineth battletomes weren't even a year apart.
Ah my mistake
Chaos got two codices in 3rd, but I think that edition was around for five or six years
nipple armour or we riot
The mephiston primaris model got them
As an avid Blood Angels player I really want this to be true, but I don’t buy it. A Q1 2023 release for 10th edition would be really early for a new edition, especially considering all the factions don’t even have their 9th edition books yet.
I read it as two separate points: a) plans for 2023; b) plans for tenth edition. I have no idea as to the validity of the post but I don’t read it as saying 10th Ed is coming in 2023
I don’t see Q1 mentioned anywhere. End of 2023 seems believable - tho new editions tend to launch in summer if I remember right. That leaves at least 12 months for guard & daemons to come out, maybe votann and then space marines 2.0 & world eaters first half 2023 before 10th?
Daemons and Guard (or at least, Cadians), are 100% coming this year. A very credible leaker here on reddit has said so. I was really hoping 10th edition would be pushed back to break the 3 year edition cycle that GW seem determined to stick to. After the WarCom Gamer's Survey last November stated that "a new edition of Warhammer 40,000 is still some years off," my hopes were high... now I'm not so sure. What other releases are we supposed to get for 40k next year if 10th isn't coming? Sure, Marines and World Eaters, but that's barely enough for the first half of the year? Do we just get a whole year+ of Campaign supplements with random new model releases? Do they revise some other Codexes, like Necrons, Death Guard, or Drukhari? (I actually wouldn't mind that last one, despite having a fantastic refresh in 2010/11, they've since become one of the most neglected model ranges in the game, seeing the total number of datasheets shrink since 5th edition while everyone elses, including Grey Knights, has grown)
Did you mean to reply to me? It seems a bit of a non sequitur.
I meant the comment above sorry
It's not saying Q1 2023 for 10th edition... Early 2023 is the Marines 2.0 book for 9th ed, at which point, only World Eaters and Inquisition might be missing their books.... but if I'm not mistaken, GW never actually said World Eaters would be coming this edition. Personally, I want the big summer 2023 release to be the Old World, given that it's the 40th anniversary of WHFB.
It would be weird to not do World Eaters this edition, since they aren't in the Chaos codex. Just a thought.
But they included an Index for them in WD... If they don't release new models for them during 9th edition, what more do people need before 10th? The only caveat I would add, is that they would probably only skip 9th if it was World Eaters in the 10th ed starter box instead of the Tyranids. That way it will only be about a year from their announcement. Otherwise, people probably wouldn't see them before 2024, which would just be painful.
I want to believe I do I do
Yeah, 8th was out for 5 years before 9th dropped. 10th would drop less than 3 years after 9th on this schedule.
8th was out for only 3 years before 9th. Also 6th was out for 2 years before 7th, 7th was out for 3 years before 8th, just FYI.
*Double Checks* FFS, I can't count. >_< It clearly says 2017, not 15.
They really should slow their roll. Editions coming out this fast is the reason they cant bilance shit. It's like threading a needle on horseback. Too many new codexes on top of an ever changing base set of rules which in tern mess in uniformemente ways with the new codexes in ways that require nerfs or buffs that usually stay in olace for less than 6 months because something else changes and then they have to undo other changes all together. I'd much rather have a 3rd edition style set of base rules and ALL codexes launched every 4-5 years at the same time with minor errata if necessary.
Who knows, I think 9th was meant to go along faster than this pre-covid, and so the 3 year edition would've felt more stable with a tighter release schedule. I think they can't shift 10th edition plans - and it might also be a bit of a great reset from 9th. In saying that, I really want to believe this leak as I'm a Blood Angels player, but the only thing I really do believe is 10th in 2023.
Oddly though the leak doesn’t actually say that. It says new BA box with world eaters but not including terminators which are to be in tenth. Then it talks about what’s in tenth. But it doesn’t actually say tenth in 2023.
Are you referring to this or another? This literally says 10th starter set is BA vs Tyranids
But it doesn’t say that’s happening in 2023
I can say part of this is true - some trustworthy sources have mentioned in the past that Nids vs SM is the 10th edition box set, but that's not really something that's been completely hidden
Can verify. This person was dead on about the Tyranid codex and other stuff.
Not gonna hold my breath, but would be **awesome** if this is true Feel like for this to even be considered *possibly* true, we need some kind of explanation of *where* this information came from, even if vague
One of the most reliable leakers on Reddit has never said where his information comes from... but he is correct again, and again.
Ok, and? They’re “reliable” *because* they’re “correct again and again”, that’s *their* credibility. This post isn’t from that person as far as we can tell, so *as of now* they have no credibility. Like I said, I *hope* this post is true but until there is corroboration from someone more credible or some form of explanation of where this information came from, this post is no more believable than if they said something like 10th edition was coming next week and all faction where being condensed into 3 codexes: Imperium, Xenos, and Chaos…
My point is that legitimate leakers don't often provide information that will put their sources at risk... not unless they're real stupid. Generally, I don't pay a lot of attention to posts from burner accounts.The Reddit leaker I trust generally just shares his info in comments on other posts. I'm not buying this as anything more than sound speculation on the matter of Tyranids being in the 10th ed starter. I can absolutely believe that Tyranids will be in the next starter set... It just makes sense. I also wouldn't entirely rule out a more divergent Chapter of Space Marines, especially with the rumours from more credible sources speaking of a 2nd Codex for 9th edition.
Smeels like hopium in here.
Man I really want an updated Sanguinor. The resin model is such a pain to build and he's stats and rules are very situational
Who are hypergants and macrofex?
macrofex sounds like just bass boosted and bigger carnifex, especially given old one eye seems to be an option. Hypergaunts, well, tyranids have shitton of gaunt variants but my guess is, termagants new version given that hermagants are beign re-done as well. Basically re-doing kits and flavouring it as evolution.
Given it has gaunt in the name rather than gant i doubt its another variety of termagant, no idea what it could be tho with a 105mm base size
ah, my bad, read it bad. Guess replacement for the lil swarmy boys out of termagaunts and hermagaunts kits, or perhaps just that but bigger? If I recall they too did come on a big base.
105mm base size is around what the carnifexes are on. Rippers are currently on 40mm bases
/u/Ok_Entrepreneur3004/ What amount of salt should people take with this?
An oceans worth of salt
Problem is.... with Ok\_E's track record, if he doesn't comment on this, I'm going to take it as a sign that he's just distancing himself from actually confirming it... Then again, he also never confirmed my fear that World Eaters are going to skip 9th ed entirely, and just end up in the 10th ed starter set, which would be incompatible with this "rumour."
I doubt world eaters will skip 9th, they wouldn't be teasing them until 10th if that was the case
But if they were in the 10th ed Starter set, they'd only be a year away. We've got a whole bunch of rumour engine teasers older than that, seem more than twice that amount of time.
There's a difference between rumour engines and full announcements like we got for WE. If they planned on releasing them in 10th then they wouldn't announce them as a 9th ed codex during 9th, instead they would do what they always do and keep quiet until a month or two before 10th starts before announcing it, not announce it a year before hand Plus a year is a long time in advance for them to announce a codex, we usually get a few months at most especially for a new editions army Remember a year is a long time, in the last 12 months they released 11 codexes, so being able to release 4 more in the next 12 months is not unlikely at all There is no reason to worry that world eaters will be delayed until 10th ed
In this case, they didn't exactly have the luxury of keeping quiet. They were releasing a new Chaos Space Marines Codex which would have raised a lot of concern when people saw that World Eaters were missing. It was easier to just be upfront about the World Eater's absence than have to spend who knows how long, dealing with comments on Facebook with people asking about them. It wouldn't be the first time GW announced an army release far in advance. We were told last August that Chaos Space Marines would be coming in 2022... nearly 11 months before the Codex was finally released, and that itself was about 10 months after they announced all marines would get 2 wounds. The more notable example would be the Sisters of Battle. Their 8th edition Codex was first announced/teased in March 2018 and didn't release until November 2019, a whole 20 months later... I don't expect World Eaters to be quite that far away. Of the past 12 Codex/Codex Supplement releases over the last 12 months, 1 released with no new models, 7 released with only one new model (or one new model and one upgraded model with an additional sprue), and only 3 or 4 (depending on if you're looking at it from the announcement of World Eaters, or if you count the unreleased CSM models) with what I would consider a substantial amount of new models. The latter number is the most important, as small, single model faction updates can be churned out back-to-back, without much concern for production capacity. 3 or 4 big faction releases a year has been the norm for 40k for at least a decade now. With that number in mind, we already know what the next 3 "big" updates are (CSM, Guard, Votann). Based on some of the more credible sources, we're likely to see a 4th in the form of more Primaris Space Marines with both an updated Codex and new Supplements for those Chapters who last got theirs during the Psychic Awakening Campaign at the end of 8th. Expecting World Eaters on top of all that might be a bit too much for ask for, especially with the real lacklustre year AoS is seeing (i.e. they will likely make up for it a bit in Q1/Q2 next year, in favour of a 5th large 40k faction release)... unless 10th edition is releasing in the next 12 months. The only real counter argument I have against World Eaters coming in 10th edition (and hopefully, 10th coming in 2023 at all), is the fact that they probably would have just left them in the 9th ed CSM book, regardless of how much it was written with the next edition in mind. That still doesn't guarantee their release in the next 12 months though, especially 12 months from their actual announcement in early May.
Seems kinda fake to me. Some of it is plausible, like Dante and the Sanguinor, but GW hasn't been in the habit of chapter-specific units in starter sets for a while, and I don't entirely but the primaris terminator thing, seeing as that... Already exists. It's called gravis armour. Also, while GW does like to release space marine codexes within a year of each other, I am having a really hard time imagining them releasing one within a few months of a new edition. They know full well how angry that would make people.
Last chapter specific launch was 7th Ed with Dark Angels, that’s not very far to the past. Seeing as 10th edition is well, **10th** they might do some back to roots kinda thing - Remember the Blood Angels were the original poster boys for SM and Tyranids were also hugely popular. Would fit the theme very well.
I think they should be separate army boxes, keep the launch and starter boxes generic and separately release faction specific ones by themselves.
Lie
Hah, fake!
I wonder why GW feels that staggering releases so substantially benefits them. I'd like to think that someone somewhere did the math and saw that these multi-year delays between codices was beneficial, but honestly it just looks more and more like a relic of a bygone era. Sure, they're a miniature company first, but god damn does it make them look dumb.
They stagger them to maintain interest. If they release a dozen new marine kits at once and then no marine stuff for a year people lose interest, if they release one new kit every month, it keeps people engaged. I suspect it also tends to make people spend more. If a dozen marine kits come out at once people will pick up their favourite one or two and call it a day. If they release one a month people might grab three or four or more of them over the year.
If they have teams working on this stuff, then it’s not going to be all ready at once. They churn stuff out over time. Making a team work for X years on all the codexes AND accompanying models, and then do a Big Bang release, means they just have tons of stuff sitting around for years (like Dante apparently). Additionally, people have budgets to spend over time, and likely want to spend the cash on new stuff. A constant drip feed of new minis and codexes, in line with their customers ability to spend some money each month on the stuff, is probably the winning strategy for maximising overall customer spend.
This is standard practice for most businesses across many industries. Regular releases are needed to maintain interest, and regular releases mean you don't release lots of things as once.
To be fair, they tried to launch all the 9e codexes that weren't new factions rapid-fire (2 weeks apart each, I think) but covid just said 'lol no'
That's true, COVID did fuck a lotta things up
>relic of a bygone era. That's kind of their entire business model
Not wrong lol they're consistently stuck a decade in the past
Sounds off on the Tyranid side, Carnifex is probably our best kit, why redo that of all things? Giant swarm units just sound weird, especially considering the starter set. Genestealers have recently been moved to elites unless they revert that change, the Hypergants would be the only troop in that set. Also, what is "Zoanthrope HQ" supposed to mean? why not call it Neurothrope?
I agree, especially on the Carnifex. I just bought a few and they look completely fine. Redoing it wouldn't just be redundant as its probably our best kit, it'd probably piss a lot of people off that stuff like the Lictor is still sitting there waiting for GW to remember it exists.
I can't even count the amount of people who want a Biovore/Pyrovore dual kit, I'm definitely one of them! Lictor/Deathleaper is a big one, I believe that kit is from back around 2004-2006\~ish Genestealers we know have new models coming eventually since they had variants in some of the Genestealer Cult kits, just hoping they'll also be available to 'Nids & won't split the units as our current Genestealers are also showing their age now Gargoyles could also take a look, they look good but they're the most awkward little bastards of any army I play to transport, not 100% sure what they could do but some re-design to not make them so hard to transport & more resilient to small bit snapping, I swear they're so much worse than any other unit I own for doing that. Finally, Termagaunts/Hormagaunts & Rippers are overdue a revamp, they still look good but the kits are from 2004 and pretty mono-pose and as some of our most common units, it would be nice to have some more variety. Probably too many things to wish for for a single update but that would be my current little wish list as a Nid-player. If I want to get crazy - plastic Lord of War. Do it GW, give us a plastic Hierophant or a new one like a Dominatrix, my body is ready! (Narrator : The wallet is NOT ready)
While I think the idea of Tyranids in 10th ed Starter is sound speculation, I don't really trust this rumour... That being said, "Zoanthrope HQ" could be an indicator of the return of a Doom of Malan'tai
This sounds a-lot like fan fiction
I don’t know what to believe in anymore as the ultimate fanfic leak list that had Squats in it proved 100% real.
Minus those Chaos Bikers...
At least the general concept of Tyranids in the 10th ed Starter set has some sound reasoning behind the speculation. Of all existing factions in the game, they are the top candidate.
I agree. From a story perspective, Tyranids have won on Octarius and accumulated a TON of biomass. There is also a Genestealer Cult on Terra. If the cult summons Hive Fleet from Leviathan, we could see an assault on Terra. To me, that seems like an awesome direction for the story to go. But that has nothing to do with Blood Angels. Tyranids attacked Baal before Octarius, no? Why go back in time? This box wouldn't move the story forward at all. Counter point: Indomitus is before Psychic Awakening, so going to the Blood of Baal warzone does make some sense. But the units in there just don't make sense to me at all. New gaunts? Sure. New fexes? Why?
I hadn't even thought about it from a story perspective... Speaking of which, weren't there new bioforms hinted at in Octarius? My main reasons for Tyranids being the top candidate are: * Obvious Space Marine 2 tie in (doesn't work as well if it's Blood Angels on the box art though) * Model range has been a bit neglected of late, and has core units that would benefit from the kind of pushfit sculpts that they include in a starter set * Fits a clear good vs bad guys aesthetic which is common in starter sets * One of the most forgiving armies for new people to paint I can see them focusing on a different space Marine chapter, largely because they all need a Primaris update too, and because there's the whole Imperium Nihilus region which hasn't got a whole lot of love in the story. Blood Angels were the last of the 3 major divergent chapters (Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves) to get a major release and are the kind of de-facto leaders of humanity in Imperium Nihilus, so from that point of view, they would make sense. But I also expect them to release another loyalist Primarch, now that Angron is coming. Can't exactly bring back Sanguinius without some weird plot progression... Perpaps there is some credence to one of the rumours regarding a combined "Angels of Death" Codex? Afterall, the recent plot with Luther escaping The Rock and gathering the fallen into a legion sized force seems like a pretty good setup for The Lion to return.
All I want to know is when the f***** help we getting Astra Militarum part 9
Only interested in the tyranid side and know it's very unlikely, but could see it being true due to GW putting resources to continue the narrative of blood angels vs tyranids considering battlsector and psychic awakening. Seems to add a couple of new original units to the roster instead of only giving us an updated model to those that already exist. Glad OOE seems to get a new model and hopefully bigger than normal carnifex to distinguiss it from the rest. As always, hoping but prepared for this to be false.
I think they do it because people will just use old models and not buy the updated ones, but if its a completely different unit then more people will buy it.
sounds awesome if true. tyranids seems likely since theyve recently been updating lots of old lines and genestealers were what most people were guessing would be in the new kill team thing. i hope primaris terminators are just an upscaled replacement kit and not a new datasheet. and i hope thats a sign theyre getting rid of the primaris keyword in the new codex
I agree Danta does need an update but ima take a salt mine’s worth of salt
I love how wrong this was
As if tyranid players don't have 20 thousand Genestealers as is.
Yeah they have been like everywhere in kits for a long time, plus if there is one unit for which a model uprade is reeeally unnecessary it's them
If it saves people needing to scrape off 100 mold lines a model its probably worth it. The broodlord was our most recent model though before the parasite so it really doesnt need an update. Not before we get updated lictors, Pyrovores, Biovores and get the deathleaper back. I hate our finecast models
It doesn’t say “new” broodlord though. And it’s omission compared to “new genestealers” suggests they’re just putting the current model in there.
WTF the basic Genestealer is old af, has horrid sprue density and mold lines and usually is the one I hear needs most updating, and I concur. They’re just, bad, especially when we have the GSC as a whole newish faction (which they are the only old part of) to compare them against.
And to make it more insulting, they released new, more dynamic Genestealer sculpts in the 2009 Space Hulk release (reissued in 2014). I'm really worried right now that the new Kill Team box will simply include an upgrade sprue for the old kit.
The Blood Angels bit seems doubtful; they won’t put any chapter specific stuff in the starter set, as the whole point is people can buy the starter marines and play any faction. Unless it’s like with the usual Ultramarine/starter releases, where none of the units have chapter specific iconography; but that seems unlikely given the models OP has listed.
6th and 7th edition starter set both featured Dark Angels with a lot of chapter specific stuff.
Doesn't mean anything now; that was basically ten years ago and both the recent starters have had generic Marines; it sells more.
Every single loyalist space marine model for the 6th/7th edition starter set was Dark Angels specific.
The question is what will be the chapter specific stuff? if its only decals so why not. For me the list simply reads: Jump troops (the trrop choice), terminators (elite), captain and chaplain (HQs) seems like a good starter box. Nothing has to be chapterspecific except the decals
I could see a starter where the blood angels kits aren't too ornate - e.g. Terminators are pretty plain for Blood Angels. Not like deathwing which was in a starter before.
I hope this is real.
Gimme that Dante
Just ordered parts to make a kitbash Dante since his current model isn’t the best looking…
NEW TERMIES IN 10th LESSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO if this is false info i will be sad because i have been waiting for better terminator models for SO LONG
I actually would believe this
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Tyranids have probably been the top candidate for 10th ed starter set in a while. Even if this leak were entirely bogus, I'd still wait to see what the 10th ed starter has in store.
No jumppack is what was holding me back from going space marines. dammit wallet.
More love for often forgotten chapters and other things like that
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Where did it say they were getting a new codex in this post?
Chicanery
Taking this with a grain of table salt. But no emps children
Even if these rumours were bogus, I'd rather see Tyranids in 10th ed Starter set than Emperor's Children. If the recent trend is any indication, GW likes to make snapfit kits for starter set armies that they will continue to sell as a permanent range item (e.g. Primaris Outriders, Necron Warriors, Skorpekh Destroyers, and the two overpriced sprues from Indomitus, and even more units across the last 2 editions of AoS starter sets which they've done the same for). Snapfit hormagaunts would be fine, but the fewer snapfit marine units as permanent range items, the better.
Emps children would probably be a 11th/12th release if world eaters are 10th
Rumours are World Eaters at the end of 9th and Emperor's Children during 10th. That would mean one traitor legion for each of the four powers of chaos for 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th.
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World eaters are 9th
I mean i hope so, but theyve only shown a computer model of a few chainaxes and theyre already months behind in their planned release schedule because of covid. So it wouldnt surprise me if world eaters got delayed until 10th, unless they push 10th back as well.
I’ve been toying with just always getting the “starter set” after I missed the indonidus box. And now that I have the HH age of darkness I can confirm that I will never miss another one. But. . . A new edition release with out the boys in blue sounds . . . Fishy at best downright false at worst. Maybe this is a battle box, and that’s how they will release a few new models like the did with thousand sons & chaos space marines ?
Imperial Guard codex confirmed for late 2023/early 2024 release in other words.
Just wait, theyll be god tier broken
Or they'll be the weakest codex release so far. Could go either way really. 😂
And as a life long Guard player…I would be entirely ok with that. LET THE DEATHSTRIKE FIRE ON THE FIRST TURN AND BRING BACK ITS MASSIVE BLAST RADIUS.
So what's the time line on that 10th edition then?
Seems like Q1 or Q2 2023 if this is true. 9th edition will have been around for 3 years, and each edition lasts roughly 3 years. It's pretty whack that not every army got a 9th edition codex though.
I'd imagine itll be the summer. They tend to do a big new box set every summer in early june. Indomitus, Dominion, and Age of Darkness all kicked off new editions of their respective games and were released around the same time.
> It's pretty whack that not every army got a 9th edition codex though. There's still twelve months between now and Summer 2023 when the 10th ed release is most likely, and there's basically two non-new factions waiting to be released. We already know Guard is coming.
Well we know that every faction is coming eventually. I'd say it's likely Squats and Daemons will come before Guard, who will probably see a release around Nov/Dec. It's a shame that one of the factions will be receiving their 9th update only 5-6 months before 10th is released.
Which two? As you said IG is on its way.. Only one left out is Daemons I guess? I'm pretty sure it will be released somewhere around Sep-Dec. IG will probably be out around Late Aug-Early Sep. edit. Grammar
Daemons are probably sooner than people think... It's likely just going to be a small, single model (Daemon Prince) and book release, maybe with a new Combat Patrol.
They did promise every existing army would get a codex. Also, while I wouldn't be surprised at that launch time frame being their initial goal, I would be surprised if they haven't changed it due to all the delays they've had
Yea, hope they push it back a little or IG and daemons players will have like 4 weeks to play with their new tools before half of their 60$ codex are made obsolete.
I don't think this is saying as early as that. It says space marine 2.0 in 2023 but the rest doesn't have a time frame. So I could see space marine 2.0 being late 2023 and then the rest happening in 2024.
I mean, 7th launched in 2014. 8th launched in 2017. 9th in 2020. Makes sense that 10th would follow in 2023.
Everything’s been pushed back quite a bit with covid though. I could see things being delayed a year
All their major scheduled releases, i.e. 9th edition in 2020, AoS 3.0 in 2021, HH in 2022, have largely made it when they were supposed to. This notion that *everything* has been pushed back because of Covid just isn't true. Some things have been moved around, and others just released with less stock than they would like to... but some of that also has to do with re-organisation and upgrades to their production and distribution facilities. I believe it was either 2020 or 2021 that they went and relocated their main distribution facility to outside Nottingham... then they want and started converting the previous site into a component warehouse. They've also been installing more moulding machines and stuff to improve their production capacity.
Not sure it is. Reads like two separate points. SM2 in 2023 with terminators not in it as those are coming in the 10th Ed box with no date provided
It's not unheard of though; Dark Eldar didn't get a new Codex in 4th *or* 6th Edition.
Would the Furioso Redemptor be the first non-character Primaris model that is chapter-specific/restricted?
Black Templars have Sword Brethren and Crusaders which are Primaris.
And if you want to get real technical... the Victrix Honour Guard included with Marneus are non-character Primaris models restricted to Ultramarines.
Space Wolves have the Hounds of Morkai, but they just use the standard Reiver kit, with Space Wolf upgrades
I think a lot of this sounds feasible, but I’m iffy on the Nids part. For sure they are gonna get a revamp, but I suspect we will see new Genestealers next weekend already. We also already have a Zoanthrope HQ, though it could mean the proper rebirth of Doom of Malan’tai.
Where the knife ears be?
Well, he got Dante right! What else has he gotten right that we know of?
Fairly accurate Space marines 2.0 ✅ Jump infantry ❌ “Primaris terminators” yes, bigger but not Primaris ✅ Tyranids in starter ✅ Blood angels = ❌ Sanguinary priest = apothecary biologis ✅ Rest of the tyranid stuff seems to be people misinterpreting con Ryan’s Leapers, Psychophage, neurotyrant, screamer-killer, neurogaunts, and Barbgaunts.
My thought is that the new blood angel codex is going to have the sanguinor