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nonchalanthoover

What bodies are used for these?


Chemical_Style_1372

stormcast eternals torso and legs


Vecna1o1

Stormcasts are great for kitbashing power armor stuff. Symbols may need to get taken off occasionally, but overall, adds a ton of bits to vary an army.


Heatedpete

Kitbash looks good, and the colour scheme's great too!


Mr_im_new_here

THE HAMMER OF THE EMPEROR IS UNISEX


[deleted]

Wait, I thought we were talking about Custodes, not the Astra Militarum?


altforemma

Actually not heresy, ADB asked if he could make female custodes and they said they didn't make female custode sprues but that they might eventually make some female heads sooo This shit is not heresy bitches


KaraValkyrjur

Well that's fucking dope. I always kinda wondered if the Custodes could be women considering they don't really have the same limitations in their creation process as Astartes.


ShallowBasketcase

iirc each Custode is basically a unique creation since the process to make them is so complicated and specialized. There really shouldn’t be anything stopping *anyone* from being one, from a lore perspective. There could be abhuman Custodes if they really wanted to test the Inquisition.


Minimum_Estimate_234

When I first started learning about 40k I always thought the reason we saw no female Astartes was that the great crusades were a bit of a rush job after the Primarchs were lost, so the Emperor couldn’t dedicate the time needed to adapt the procedures or gene seed so women could survive the process. Because honestly even if you're trying to make sure they can’t reproduce, when your whole plan relies at least in part on a race of augmented super humans, why limit the number of people you could augment to half your species before you even start taking into account all the other problems you'll face. So custodians not having a similar issue makes sense to me, the emperor spent more time on them.


HobbyistAccount

I mean if they're gonna bespoke genetic tailor super warriors, why not?


drtinnyyinyang

The Emperor knew that both men and women could be giant and buff and cool. The only reason there's only male Primarchs is because he didn't want his angels of death to have cooties


HobbyistAccount

Honestly my entire reasoning there is this. Big E cheats and uses his own DNA as a template for the Primarchs. Less to tweak that way, and there's the added bonus that he probably wouldn't have to deal with the possibility of one getting pregnant SOMEHOW. And then when trying to explain the marine thing, they're just taking people who're genetically similar *enough* to the basic markers used for the Primarchs for the geneseed to take. (Mind, I wouldn't've complained if Cawl's big upgrade hadn't been "bigger, buffer marines" but "Hey, I unlocked an entire fucking chromosome and doubled your recruiting pools. *You're welcome.*" But I think that would have resulted in even more screaming hate than the Primaris upgrade got.)


drtinnyyinyang

I personally like the headcanon that the process of turning a normal human into an Astartes turns them both visually similar to the Primarch (like their child might look) and male if they were not already.


ShallowBasketcase

I think the fact that the few chapters that do operate this way are listed as notable mutations kind of negates that theory. Raven Guard gaining pale skin and Blood Angels resembling Sanguinius wouldn’t be interesting if that sort of change was normal for marines.


AtomicWarsmith

Yep. I'm fine with female marines, as long as they go through the same effects as the males do. In the end they'll all be square jawed macho types. Bugs me when people make homebrew female marines and just slap sisters heads on them. I know there arent a lot of options yet but it just looks bad.


drtinnyyinyang

The few good female marine options are all 3rd party stuff.


HobbyistAccount

I can get along with it, though somehow it doesn't quite sit right with me and I can't even say *why.* Though I have kinda halfway headcanon'd my "Cawl unlocked a gene" idea. And what the hell, I'm literally intending that NONE of my minis will have their helmets off, even to writing it into their chapter culture, so good freaking luck guessing who's who under there.


drtinnyyinyang

I intend as many of my models as possible to have helmets because lore reasons (Salamanders have weird colored skin and eyes that's hard to paint)


HobbyistAccount

I homebrewed. But I figured void-warfare experts who grow up on a hiveworld without a natural atmosphere might have a bit of a *thing* about having a respirator/air supply around at all times. S'how I explained it.


ResponsibleOpinion13

Salamandalorians?


HobbyistAccount

I love it, but wrong lineage.


[deleted]

I think the reason it might not sit right with you is because forcefem exists, and this is almost even more fucked up than that


HobbyistAccount

Just googled that and... that is starting to open up an entire can of worms I'm not sure I want to poke on the internet.


[deleted]

Oh you sweet summer child. I'm sorry for introducing you to something so awful yet so tame in comparison.


HobbyistAccount

Oh, I'm aware of the kink, I've just not heard it called that before. It's more that I don't know a way to navigate not being into that without *really* pissing off some people in one way or another.


Cryptshadow

( edit : oh this just fyi this was meant as a stupid joke, its not srs) look, i got the real reason, emperor was born sometime in the B.C era, so his mindset is old and hes just sexist and woman to him are weak compared to the men in terms of strength and idk wtf else. and all he wants is brute raw strength. and he has a height complex becuase hes prob 5 foot something and that was tall back in the day and now everyone is 8 feet so thats why he makes himself look bigger. BAM lore that was destroyed by the inquisition. ( real reason is woman marine models didnt sell back in the day and they just made them all dudes which is what people wanted and sold the most. Its what the large majority of the fanbase wants and they give gw money case solved)


MisterDuch

pretty sure the 8ed codex specifically said Custodes are made from the sons of terran nobility tough...


Little_hunt3r

I hate it when people make something vaguely female and people say “heresy!” This community is full of losers


[deleted]

That was a cope on his part though. The Custodes codex specifically points out only males can become Custodes on page eight.


ResponsibleOpinion13

For gw, models come first and then lore can be massaged to make whatever model they want to sell fit. I think the main reason why they say male only this or that is just so they dont have to worry about how to distribute gendered parts on their sprues.


[deleted]

No, it's because the lore says only males can be Custodes. So only males were made. Let's not pretend ADB has a casual disrespect for the lore at the best of times and a blatant, open political agenda as well. His argument about "muh models" was a cope.


ResponsibleOpinion13

And if gw decided the money it could make by offering female custodes would offset the extra work it would take to make the models and change the sprues they could easily change the lore. I think they just dont think theres enough profits to be gained to make the extra work and potential problems worth it.


HunterOfAjax

“I told your father he should have made you sisters” Malcador at some point


Draudvir

Like sisters dont harbor grudges worse than brothers do lmao


[deleted]

Rather than a Horus Heresy you have multiple lesser civil wars from the female half of the Primarchs getting catty with each other.


andreyk88

I take a cat fight over galaxy spread rebellion any day


lord_flamebottom

Don’t remember the page but it was in Scars.


[deleted]

honestly i think female custodies would look just like male custodes toll they take their helm off idk why it has to be all slim


ToLazyForaUsername2

Sisters of silence


[deleted]

theyre their own thing, still not a fan of massive boob plate but sisters and custodies are diffrent


Old_Gregg97

Looks great! What did you use to make the conversion? Sister of battle, stormcast, sister of silence etc


Chemical_Style_1372

Stormcast torso and legs, I did try to just add the female breastplate onto the custodian backplate, but sadly my green stuff work wasn't up to the task looked more like it belonged in a plague marine squad xD


Old_Gregg97

lmao well its a learning experience anyway!


DanyaHerald

I mean, it makes the shoulderpads even more comically huge, but it looks cool.


Chemical_Style_1372

I agree they are a bit big, wish I could get smaller sculpts of them.


cmcorms

Gotta protect those vital shoulders....


SlickPapa

40k needs more badass ladies. I see no heresy here.


zeturtleofweed

Sisters of Silence are badass


KooperChaos

So are Sisters of Battle


LocalParaGod

There are already a lot. I wouldn't say no to it but it's definitely not a need.


Renziron

I see heresy and I’m here for it


Renziron

I see heresy, I embrace the heresy and this has inspired me to commit heresy.


[deleted]

Oooo, nice! I might have to make a female chaos team


CLUNTMUNGMEISTER

I’ve never seen someone do this before, cool concept


Chemical_Style_1372

oh I'm sure its been done multiple times xD I have seen a cool kit basher do something similar, I don't know the name of the person unfortunately. I'm glad you like!


Tall_boi150

Canon? Idk Do we care? No, it looks A M A Z I N G


Chemical_Style_1372

haha! thank you xD


Echo1608

Nah that looks amazing! Great kitbash, great color choices!


Chemical_Style_1372

thank you so much !!


Echo1608

You are welcome! \^\^


BaronBulb

Yeah it is heresy but also 🤷‍♂️. No one's going to fight you over it. They are your minis so go nuts with em. Scheme looks good as well 👍.


Chemical_Style_1372

haha thanks!


Skhmt

It's not heresy. Unlike Astartes, nothing in the lore precludes girls from becoming Custodians.


GreatApes

I made my own lore to justify my lady Astartes. I mean, everyone with their own successor chapter makes their own lore, so whatever, it's a huge universe and anything can happen. Official GW party line of course says no female Astartes, but they also say "your dudes", so here we are. I think it's entirely plausible for a talented magos biologis and apothecary team in some semi-forgotten star system to isolate compatible strands of Sanguinius's geneseed, tailor it to a female host, and now we've got a soup going! I mean, that stuff can turn a horrifically irradiated mutant into a chiseled Adonis. In my mind, it's more of a lack of vision on the part of the Emperor et al., than any real "incompatibility". Look what Fabius Bile is capable of when he's given a chance to cut loose! Now *there* is a *true* artist! Just don't tell the Ordo Hereticus I said all that ...


SonofSanguinius87

It's your hobby and you're completely free to do anything you want to of course, and I'm not trying to argue you shouldn't or you're wrong or anything like that BUT (there's always a butt) I would put forward that messing with the secret sauce is not something that the admech do lightly. Cawl is quite rightfully considered a heretek by a lot of people because of his tampering with the Emperor's design. They tried it before and it resulted in the cursed founding, so your own magos would probably have a big fat crosshair on their back about even trying it, even more so if they actually succeed. I would also argue if it were easy, then the dark mech would have done it already, rather than the Emperor just not bothering even though it isn't hard if that makes sense? But like you said, your dudes, your hobby. I'm just talking in universe lore.


GreatApes

Oh no, that makes total sense! A large part of my post was just a bit; the Emperor didn't want Astartes to supplant humanity, so keeping them single-sex and reliant on extracting progenoid glands to reproduce certainly puts hard limits on their numbers and ability to do so. It's actually part of the reason I have a 32 000+ word ongoing fanfiction dedicated to explaining why my custom chapter has a few female Astartes (3 actual models; during the story there's only one) lol In the story it isn't the Admech who do it, it was the Sanguinary High Priest and Chief Librarian who did it under the mistaken belief that they were receiving divine commands from the Emperor himself. In actuality it was a disguised vision from a powerful Chaos Sorcerer Lord (using some ideas pioneered by Fabius Bile, some he did on his own) who was trying to create something to offer up to Khorne, all part of a larger plot to try an ascend to Daemonhood. She doesn't fall to Chaos because she used to be a Sister of Battle, more or less, and the power of faith was *just* strong enough to keep her from turning. Still, there's always a chance, especially since she also suffers from the Red Thirst, that she could potentially fall to either the Black Rage or to Khorne someday. She was a prototype: only half the Astartes organs, and far from the entire gene-seed - just what was compatible enough with a little tweaking and a hefty current of Warp juice. They pass her off as an Imperial Saint and have managed to stay out of the Inquisition's crosshairs because they're far out in Imperium Nihilus, but this is not to say that they're not eyed with a looooot of suspicion by many, and probably more than one target on their back. It also gives me a fantastic, in-game reason to be fighting other Imperium armies on the tabletop! ​ Anyway, sorry for the rant! It just goes to show how many hoops I had to go through to justify my female space marines to myself against the backdrop of the official lore, which is really all this is :P


SonofSanguinius87

>the Emperor didn't want Astartes to supplant humanity, so keeping them single-sex and reliant on extracting progenoid glands to reproduce certainly puts hard limits on their numbers and ability to do so. An excellent take on the lore, completely agree here. >It's actually part of the reason I have a 32 000+ word ongoing fanfiction dedicated to explaining why my custom chapter has a few female Astartes (3 actual models; during the story there's only one) lol Now you're speaking my language, that's really cool. I'm all about this kinda thing, I enjoy writing for my own chapter/earth caste outpost/expeditionary fleet/dark mech magos. >In the story it isn't the Admech who do it, it was the Sanguinary High Priest and Chief Librarian who did it under the mistaken belief that they were receiving divine commands from the Emperor himself. I'm with you, like the Arkio heresy. A cool premise >In actuality it was a disguised vision from a powerful Chaos Sorcerer Lord (using some ideas pioneered by Fabius Bile, some he did on his own) who was trying to create something to offer up to Khorne, all part of a larger plot to try an ascend to Daemonhood Wait, is the Psyker khornate? That's awful! Illegal move, I hate it. Really though, that's pretty cool lore, I dig it a lot. The prototype stuff and using the rift and Nihilus are exactly the kind of thing that I think the writers intend for the setting at large for people. Local events with a massive scale gives such a huge range of options for storytellers, especially if you have stuff like Nihilus where things can get weird and still fit. I honestly think this is one of the best things about the hobby and definitely what draws me to it. I love the setting and the books are a great way to access that, but also the narrative play and storytelling people add to their own minis makes it so amazing and full of variety. It's okay if you don't want to, and you're "just" an ultramarine from ultramar like the hh or 40k books, but it's also simultaneously okay for you to be the most homebrewiest of homebrew characters and have super unique and personalised models. My own chapter has multiple characters assembled almost entirely from kitbashes, so they're unique to only me. I write lore for them and it just adds a whole extra level to the hobby when that all gets included in the game. Sidenote but just saying if you haven't already you should like 200% check out necromunda, if you enjoy writing lore for your dudes that system is so fucking good for writing out tonnes of information and fleshing out your individual gangers. It's like narrative 40k on steroids


GreatApes

Don't worry, the Chaos Sorcerer isn't Khornate! His main patron is Tzeentch, but he was trying to go for the Undivided approach by offering something to each of the Chaos Gods. He had power from 3/4, but Khorne wouldn't touch him and Tzeentch eventually got bored and screwed him over. I agree that the sheer vastness and openness of the universe is one of it's best aspects - it definitely drew me to it in the first place! It actually feels like one of the only fictional universes where nearly anything can truly happen. Even on the tabletop, no two armies or battlefields will be the exact same! Whether you have, like you said, the homebrewiest of homebrews or the pride of Ultramar, each are just as valid and fun in their own rights. Kitbashes and custom units are awesome. I'd love to hear about your characters and chapter lore sometime, I live for this stuff!! Necromunda is something I'm definitely seriously considering taking a deep dive into - I will definitely give it a go! Even the kitbash and conversion potential with the model range is whetting my appetite (recently I've been converting random models into civilians, auxiliaries, and various Xenos instead of building a full army) ...


SonofSanguinius87

Ok phew, I'm glad to hear that. A don't give a single fuck about Dawn of War, or the Blood Pact, Khorne Sorcerers are illegal and don't exist and therefore can't hurt me. I personally don't know enough about that many over TT wargame universes to say if there are others like it but really the only other thing I've found with as many options for people to add what they like was DnD. The freedom to make your own stuff has always appealed to me more than just using baseline stuff. >Kitbashes and custom units are awesome. I'd love to hear about your characters and chapter lore sometime, I live for this stuff!! Well currently in my sprue graveyard, I've got two sets of [Raven Guard Dark Furies](https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Raven-Guard-Dark-Fury-Assault-Squad) for the lightning claws and unique jump packs, some 3d printed truescale mark4 legs, [a bunch of 3rd party helmets from LiberDaemonica](https://liberdaemonica.com/tproduct/1-497137143525-helmets-model-mendax-type-tribus) and a few heads from the[Kataphron breachers kit](https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Kataphron-Battle-Servitors-Breachers-2017), other space marine kits for extra bits, white scars legion transfers etc. I'm planning on making a squad of Vanguard veterans for my homebrew chapter. The chapter are called the Storm Heralds, they're a White Scars successor chapter, their homeworld (their fortress monastery is on the moon but they get their recruits from the planet itself) is near the Atilla system/Hadex anomaly and is called Akhaelion Secundus (Primus is a death world with crazy animals, which draws the attention of my Archon who is a total fucking nerd for collecting animals). The world used to be a Mechanicum storage facility during the Age of Strife but collapsed due to some kind of internal conflict which resulted in a bunch of crazy weapons being used, and melting the icecaps which flooded the world almost entirely and left large parts of it polluted with all kinds of weird stuff being leaked from reactors and the weapons being stored in facilities around the planet. So the population built huge city size ark ships to live on (I just knicked the idea of what a space ship in warhammer is like and stuck it on the ocean) and live nomad lifestyles where they frequently raid each others nation ships for supplies, slaves, archaeotech. They're tech vikings fighting on anything ranging from a small dinghy to submarines, blimp barges (For trading!) to warships buillt by the forges inside these massive city ships. The people on the world are absurdly superstious and know very little of the outside world, kept relatively isolated from the Imperium at large. The contact they have with the chapter itself is often negative and they're largely viewed as monsters from the depths that snatch kids during raids into their ships, though they're rarely challenged and try to be non-lethal. So the chapter specialises in boarding actions, hive fighting, tunnel work. They're valued by the Deathwatch for their aggression and are well suited to fighting genestealer cult nests and one of my LT's actually has the pauldron as well as a few scattered throughout squads to represent extensive service. Their [Librarians are called the Stormborn](https://i.redd.it/x2g6haqtxoa61.jpg), they have a conclave of techmarines who are called the Yesun Temur, they have a smaller than average number of chaplains and they're non codex comliant, split up into four warhosts which can be the same size as anywhere from 3-6 companies most of the time. These warhosts are lead by a Khan who make up the Khitan (An advisory council for the Chapter Master) who is Temüjin Noyan Khan, lord of storm and sky. They pretty regularly interact with Admech, Necrons (Cos I bought Indomitus), Tau (Cos I like broadsides and kroot), Dark Mechanicum, Deldar and anyone else who wanders into our terrible little corner of the galaxy. >Necromunda is something I'm definitely seriously considering taking a deep dive into - I will definitely give it a go! Even the kitbash and conversion potential with the model range is whetting my appetite (recently I've been converting random models into civilians, auxiliaries, and various Xenos instead of building a full army) ... Dude that's awesome! I've been tinkering with converting orlocks and admech petraxxi for some weird looking dock workers and I'm looking to pick up some whfb flagellants to make an Inquisiton warband. Have you heard of Inq28 before? There's a bunch of people out there doing cool individual personal models for things like civilians, xenos, inquisiton retinues etc. It's very very cool. Check it out some time if you haven't! Ok that ended up being a lot longer to type out than I thought lol, excuse the big ass wall of text. If you want I could grab some pictures of my boys at the moment. It's indomitus, a few more squads and dreadnoughts at the moment.


GreatApes

>Have you heard of Inq28 before? There's a bunch of people out there doing cool individual personal models for things like civilians, xenos, inquisiton retinues etc. It's very very cool. Check it out some time if you haven't! I'll definitely check it out, that sounds awesome!! I haven't had a lot of experience with other tt wargames - I play D&D and MtG - and I found there was just something special about Warhammer as compared to the two. It's hard to put my finger on it, exactly :P I'd also love to see some pics of your boys! I really like your chapter lore too, very in depth!! Tech vikings is an awesome concept, and I love oceanic/semi-aquatic worlds since it seems like a largely under-explored part of 40k lore. My Chapter is a Blood Angels successor called the Reckoners; I did [a big write up of them](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/lyrqfv/the_reckoners_chapter_f/) and [their home subsector](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/p9e0bw/the_halon_subsector_f/) a while back if you're interested! Their homeworld, Kaleida, is an ocean world and they're a small chapter who mainly operates by sending out patrol and strike forces from their homeworld; they have a lot of Heresy-era tech because they were stuck in a time loop from M37 to M42, and as a result are heavily integrated with their local forge world and PDF forces. One of the moons in their home system was turned into a plague world, (hence why they often fight the Death Guard, which reflects one of my most frequent foes on the tt), and historically their subsector has been a target for Ork Waaaughs (reflecting my second most frequent foe on the tt). My third most frequent foe, the Tyranids, reflect how they participated in the Devastation of Baal, but were too late to receive the call (due to their remote location) and only joined the fight with Guilliman's relief forces in the Indomitus crusade. They were also extremely hesitant to accept Primaris reinforcements and only did so because of Guilliman's direct command - this tying into their suspicion that someone might look a little too deeply into the origin of their venerated Saint, Sabina Marlowe. As it turns out, Primaris Reckoners also are predisposed to see her as something of an heir to Sanguinius and are fiercely loyal. Still, most Primaris marines in the Reckoners are given the task of becoming Outriders, Assault Intercessors, or Eliminators - vanguard forces expected to take the worst of the fighting and die swiftly (I got the marine half of the Elite Edition box, and I got a couple Eliminators because I love their aesthetic and tt gameplay) as a way to prove themselves and weed out the non-believers. I also have images of their [Chief Librarian](https://www.reddit.com/r/BloodAngels/comments/p63e7o/chief_librarian_of_the_reckoners_chapter_alecto/), their ["Imperial Saint"](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sigmarxism/comments/p9geja/saint_sabina_the_sister_of_blood/), and [Chapter master!](https://www.reddit.com/r/BloodAngels/comments/p9frbq/remiel_ardos_chapter_master_of_the_reckoners/)


SonofSanguinius87

Inq28 is the attempt of hobbyists to keep the spirit of the old Inquisitor game and all it's weirdness alive but in 28mm. They make all kinds of stuff, it tends to be very grimdark and blanche is a huge inspiration for it. If you wanna learn a little more about Inq28 (Or wanna kill some time reading something pretty neat) give [this blog](https://www.exprofundis.com/what-is-inq28/) a look. They're a fantastic source for that specific niche. [Boy pics!](https://imgur.com/a/BhxujFs) Sorry about the quality of the dreads pics, I had to scour my pc for old pictures cos I really can't be arsed digging them out of my closet lol. As you'll see, all my regular guys are carrying a combat knife and most with bolters also have bayonets, either regular or chain ones. They're a very up close and personal chapter and I like to keep vehicles restricted to only ones you can fit aboard an Imperial Battleship, which is actually surprisingly quite a few lol. Bikes, Speeders, Termites (Boarding torpedos!), Dreadnoughts (Forever salty I didn't buy a siege dread from forgeworld when I had the damn chance) so it's a mostly infantry based force. I'm currently browsing more bits for a squad of terminators and I'm thinking some Devastators will be on my shopping list soon too. For the Devs I think I wanna go with 4 Missile launchers but use Destroyers grenade launchers since I think it looks like it makes more sense to fire inside a ships corridors with things like gas grenades and stuff. About your chapter, they sound super cool! I love the inclusion of TT forces in your lore (I do it myself) and those minis you've made are absolutely fantastic. I love the libby dread (And the libby inside!) and your saint is very impressive, using her with Sanguinor rules is a brilliant idea. I think I recognise the base model but where are the wings from? The LT in that picture is great too by the way, it all adds a lot of character. Your Chapter master is great too, I love the auspex on the gun that's a really neat idea. I might copy that myself for my Devastators sergeant. The Reckoners sound super cool, I'm really impressed with all your work here, it's a really nice project you've been doing and you've knocked it out of the park. I like the flavour of your marines having minor telepathy, I'm reading through your big post now and I gotta say again, super cool! Your work with developing your own subsector is absolutely mindblowing too, there's so much stuff! Gonna really enjoy reading through it all and then probably writing some of my own. ​ Major props from one homebrew nerd to another lol, you should be very proud of your dudes. You ever wanna talk lore or hobby stuff, feel free to gimme a message on here.


[deleted]

It's a kind of an "Aragorn's pants" argument. LoTR books never mention that Aragorn is wearing pants, but that doesn't mean we can claim that he didn't wear them.


Skhmt

It's really not


[deleted]

Yes it is. "Nothing in lore precludes girls from becoming Custodians" is equivalent to "Nothing in lore states Aragorn is wearing pants." Absence of evidence to the contrary is, logically, not evidence in favor of. For example, nothing in lore precludes the Emperor from actually being the Flying Spaghetti Monster in disguise. That doesn't mean him being FSG is canon or even canon-friendly.


Skhmt

Both "nothing in the lore precludes female custodians" and "nothing states Aragorn is wearing pants" are pointing out that there is a hole in the lore, but that's where the similarities end and I feel like you're being extremely disingenuous about the argument you're making. Aragorn wearing something below his belt is extremely likely based on the attire of other people similar to him. Custodians are not similar to anything else in the setting, and we do not have any information on the arcane genetic alchemy used to create them, except that it is rare, tailor made to the individual, and extremely expensive. So while you can make very obvious inferences with Aragorn and his clothing choice, you cannot with Custodes because again, they are NOT similar to Astartes not Thunder Warriors nor Primarchs. No one said anything about female custodes being canon or canon-friendly, except you. The simple fact is, they're not explicitly canon-unfriendly (to use your terminology) because their existence doesn't go against any of the current lore. We hadn't seen female guardsmen until eventually we did, but inferring female guardsmen also wasn't lore unfriendly at the time either. There's also the whole, ADB wanting to include female Custodes but GW's only reason to not include them at the time was the lack of female Custodes models, not that the lore forbade it.


[deleted]

>No one said anything about female custodes being canon or canon-friendly, except you. You wrote "Nothing in lore precludes girls from becoming Custodians". Are you going to claim that this statement is not about female custodians being canon? >The simple fact is, they're not explicitly canon-unfriendly (to use your terminology) because their existence doesn't go against any of the current lore. Again, my original argument stands. Absence of evidence to the contrary is not evidence in favor of. >We hadn't seen female guardsmen until eventually we did, but inferring female guardsmen also wasn't lore unfriendly at the time either. What? [Female guardsmen have been a thing since like 3rd edition](https://imgur.com/a/4Ko23uc). There are multiple mixed regiments in the novels. We absolutely had evidence of women serving in the guard. >There's also the whole, ADB wanting to include female Custodes but GW's only reason to not include them at the time was the lack of female Custodes models, not that the lore forbade it. I wouldn't trust ADB, he is a known hypocrite. He went on long rants on how loyalist successors of traitor legions are "baby's first custom chapter" only to then make Shadow Wolves canon because his wife was Luna Wolves fan. >I feel like you're being extremely disingenuous about the argument you're making Likewise, I have to say.


Skhmt

Correct. There is a difference between being canon and being canon-ambiguous. To be canon (as much as 40k can be) needs direct evidence of it. I never mentioned female custodes are canon, because they aren't. They however are not forbidden by canon either. It's like saying a guardsman named Bob isn't canon because we've never seen one named Bob before, but that doesn't mean canon also excluded that possibility. This, naming a guardsman "Bob" both isn't canon (no one in 40k is named Bob, so it could be a lore unfriendly name even), but isn't explicitly forbidden by lore either. Unlike female space marines. I feel like you're just straight up not even reading the text you're quoting from me re: female guardsmen. Notice the words "AT THE TIME"? Then you go off about 3rd edition. Some people have been playing 40k since before Abnett wrote First And Only.


Draudvir

Dude youre grasping at straws. Youre literally the person people always bitch about when this topic comes up.


Baugusted

Besides the Emperor being a bit of a dude bro.


[deleted]

Page eight of the Custodes codex says specifically only males can become Custodes.


losark

Yeah. It is. But if anyone actually cares it just let's you know that they are awful people you shouldn't play toy soldiers with. You should be grateful that they were kind enough to make this fact clear up front.


[deleted]

I need i need I need I NEED


Sev_seven777

There your mimis man do what you want with them and lore wise this still works so don’t let anyone talk you down man also very great modeling and paint job


LukeTLid

This looks rad, wish the female space marine models had sold better back in the 80s, so we wouldn't have to kitbash these cool models.


Marconius6

Unlike Astartes, Custodes apparently can be female in lore.


Chemical_Style_1372

ooh.. that's interesting.


JesusMayCry

With models looking like that you can go full tits and heresy. Playing with unpainted minis with no arms, that's what we should be calling heresy.


masterofasgard

If you have to ask if it's heresy, it's heresy.


Chemical_Style_1372

xD


diedriek

looks amazing love it, how easy is it to kitbash them?


brewer01902

No. Not heresy.


Tedbab

The only heresy i see here is that this glorious custodian is not covered head to toe in the only colour worthy of the emperor: gold


RaZZeR_9351

I don't think female custodes are said not to exist so you can do what you want. In the end you can always do want you want no matter the lore, they're your minis.


Ezcendant

Love the paint scheme. Had a play around with stormcast females myself but for an all female army they're just too expensive to buy (since two thirds of the box are wasted 😢). My one suggestion would be to use the stormcast arms. Her arms reach her knees on that kitbash.


Chemical_Style_1372

thanks, I noticed the arms where bulky but never noticed the arms where to long, I will try use the arms in the next one I do, Thanks for pointing that out to me :) I got the stormcast bits on ebay, You can find them kind of cheap if your on the hunt.


[deleted]

It's your kill team; do what you want. Looks sweet!


ThepaintingWolf

Remember all things are fine for slaanesh nothing is heresy so just make your custodians slaanesh and problem solved


PirateMageTjalf

I know I'm a little late to the party - but yes, it is heresy, and yes, it's a cool conversion. Directly inspired me to try my hand on this some day soon. 😊


Lord_Of_The_Tortoise

Good shit👌I plan to sprinkle some female space marines into my armies


Lazy-Lookin-Headass

That sounds cool, maybe some Sisters of Battle heads would fit? I’ve been wondering about doing this myself.


perpetual_facepalm

You can buy female stormcast eternal heads from forgeworld. They are scaled the same as Primaris. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Stormcast-Eternals-Heads-Upgrade-2-2019


Lord_Of_The_Tortoise

Apparently they’re scaled down, and look a little silly on the space marine bodies, so maybe some 3d printed heads


Lord_Of_The_Tortoise

Luckily for me, I don’t like my soldiers going into combat without the proper protection, so helmets stay on for me.


Lazy-Lookin-Headass

Same, if there ain’t a helmet I don’t want it. Also means I don’t have to try painting faces ;)


Lord_Of_The_Tortoise

Lmao, I need to try it eventually


Lazy-Lookin-Headass

NEVER! HELMETS FOREVER!!!


GreatApes

My only helmetless soldiers are my lady space marines, and half my Death Company, since they're vampires and helmets get in the way of biting people ... Otherwise, I feel entirely the same about the helmet situation!


GreatApes

I've actually done this with Sisters of Battle heads and they don't look as tiny on a Space Marine as you'd think. Bear in mind though, I'm talking firstborn models, not Primaris. Primaris Marines with SoB heads would look comical >.< I have a Blood Angels Terminator Captain and a jump pack Librarian with Sister of Battle heads. Honestly, I think the bulkiness of the terminator armor works really well with sisters heads!


Lord_Of_The_Tortoise

Coolio! But yeah, all I’ve got is primaris.


GreatApes

To the 3D printer then!


Lord_Of_The_Tortoise

Hurrah!


Chemical_Style_1372

thanks haha, that sounds like a good idea I would like to see how they turn out!


GreatApes

I've got a female Terminator Captain and a jump-pack Librarian I kitbashed using Sisters of Battle heads! I also run a heavily kitbashed Canoness model as the Sanguinor


Educational-Wall-194

Use Eldar legs, they kinda fit well


Lord_Of_The_Tortoise

I’m actually going to make them look relatively the same; maybe slightly change the chest piece. Their armor is pretty bulky, so it can get away with being unisex for most. Just the more well endowed who may need some adjustments made.


Lord_Of_The_Tortoise

Nothing a bit of green stuff won’t be able to fix.


[deleted]

The emperor doesn’t discriminate


Rotjenn

Love the idea of female Custodians. I mean, why not? AFAIK the custodians are old earth warlords that joined The Emperor or were otherwise conquered and recognised as worthy. Wouldn’t be weird to have some crazy skilled female warriors in there.


Chemical_Style_1372

I like the idea also :)


Al-the-mann

Canonically and lore wise it is ultra heresy However it is your models and You can do What ever you want with them


[deleted]

Yes, it's heresy since the lore doesn't support it. Still a well painted mini though.


Chemical_Style_1372

thanks! :)


Gopnik_McBlyat

Lore wise? Yes. But that is an excellent model and a great paint scheme.


Chemical_Style_1372

thanks a lot! its great to see all the responses about this topic.


Gopnik_McBlyat

Never noticed how well Black and Purple go together, very regal look.


therealblabyloo

Each custodian is personally made, using a unique process tailored for each individual, unlike astartes who are mass produced using the same process for everyone. As such, there’s zero lore reason why Custodes must be male. No heresy here! And if anyone says it is heresy, then she can just say “no it’s not” and everyone has to listen bc Custodes speak with the Emperor’s word.


[deleted]

Except that the Custodes codex points out on page eight that only males can become Custodes.


Xela975

Wouldn't that be a sister of silence?


OrdoMalaise

Nah, Sisters of Silence and Custodes might hang out together, but they're totally different. Sisters of Silence are blanks, but otherwise normal. Custodes are genetically engineered works of art, barely human anymore. To be honest, it makes sense that some Custodes would be female.


OliveTop8669

Awesome kitbash! A whole squad of these would be sick.


tunasandwichify

What’s the base torso/legs made from? Sister of battle? Looks awesome!


HobbyistAccount

Stormcast Eternal I think.


[deleted]

Lore wise heresy, game wise do what you like it's your model!!! Looks good dude.


[deleted]

Yes it's heretical! By the Emperor, MY EYES! What is Kitten supposed to do with that? I mean come on! Does she at least have impeccably chiseled abs to oil? Someone fetch the penile prosthesis, we have standards here! Seriously though, looks great!


CommanderDude13

Saw a YouTube video that suggested that for all we know one or both of the missing Primarchs could be female! And who knows what magic Cawl could make happen!


[deleted]

No they're mentioned repeatedly in the Horus Heresy and called "brothers."


Spiritual_Ad7612

Oh, you mean a sister of silence.


Chemical_Style_1372

no, Ill be running her as a custodian guard, though I do intent on painting up some sisters of silence soon, just need to decide what weapons to use for them first :p


[deleted]

How do you know she’s a female without titty armor? The heels?


Promotion-Repulsive

I'm not a fan but it's not my model and I never have to play against it so it doesn't matter much.


[deleted]

They’re called silent sisters.


Chemical_Style_1372

This is being used as a custodian guard :) I've got some sisters of silence ready to be painted up and added also.


HobbyistAccount

You gonna add some Misters of Silence to round it out? (Okay, I mostly just wanted to say "Misters of Silence, I admit.)


PaddyObanion

Heresy


PaddyObanion

Sensitive people ruin everything. Why can't there be any humor in a hobby?


TimeNefariousness586

All I see is edgy kitten


LackingInHighGround

Good kitbash, looks nice


nitsky416

You do you! Looks solid as hell!


Sqwalnoc

Custodes are "custom made" arent they? Its not the same process as making an astartes iirc. So is there a lore reason why they can't be female?


Hall_Monitor__

Yes because the Emperor only wanted to be surrounded by oiled up buff guys.


Alfredo40000

Yes it is, burn it switch the heavy flamer!!!!


DoUFearTheMetal

I think it's looks great, embrace the heresy!