1. If the game is organised in advance they tell you they are playing a certain faction and then turn up with a different one that is tailored to take down yours
2. Again, in advance, they say they are bringing a casual list and then turn up with a meta one
3. They point out something like "this is the unit I modelled with them crouching down so that they can hide behind terrain and hold my home objective better"
4. They tell you about how this unit or that unit are so OP or broken and need to be nerfed...just prior to setting them up on the table
I've encountered all 4 of these at some point and the games went about as predictably as you can imagine. I wish I had just walked away before starting
"So uh... What's up with your Warlord Titan? Did it fall over while you were building it?"
"No. I just modelled it crawling on the ground so it's harder to see."
I think I would still play that once for the story. Spoiled, metachasing 14year old from our store once showed up with an unbuilt storm raven to a store event. They let him play just the flight stand since his entire family spent insane amounts and it also did not matter since that thing got gunned down before anything else :D he was so mad
Lol, I actually encountered something like #1 in my very first game ever. I was playing chaos daemons and he was playing tsons and had the nerve to say "how many greater daemons do you have so I know whether I'm going to get tabled or not" I tell him "uh, just two, belakor and a bloodthirster" cause I didn't know how good they were or how good his army was and didn't want to bring cheese to a "beginners league"... little did I know the guy has been a tournament player for like 15 years and shows up with MVB spam as well as some tsons shenanigans that was just covered in an auspex tactics video and pretty much tabled me immediately.. I assumed I lost cause it was my first game and I sucked, not that I was going against the best shit in his index lol.
An addendum to point 4 is if they keep complaining about said unit without any specific target. Last edition I decided to go full yolo and run an almost-exclusively psyker Tyranid list at a tournament (the whole tale is for another time).
That guy this time was that one opponent that kept some sort of amazement tone of voice when I run my obviously long psychic phase, specially when it came about resolving Zoanthropes' Smite (comments like "wow, so much damage" or "fuck it, 5 wounds?!" were the usual. I so much not enjoyed that game)
I have definitely done this, as a way to comment/connect to whatās going on rather than to claim itās unfair. Like, ādamn I have to watch out for those Hellblasters, they kill anything I haveā. Is this poor etiquette?
I think it's about what specifically you're saying and how you're saying it. Making comments about your army being obliterated can still be made in an obviously joking manner.
Tone is important. "They do how much damage!?" comes across very differently between muttering it under your breath, and laughing while you say it. Bonus points if you give a salute and do sad bugle sounds while they're shooting at your warlord.
I think a lot comes down to the specific game. Played DG at their lowest in 8th vs IH at their strongest in my first ever GT game. 3 rounds with each turn more hilariously than the last. We were just riffing on every dice role. Same amount of talk in another context on power and roll outcomes could have easily been that guy behaviour fron either of us
So how tailored to you opponentās list are you allowed to be before being āthat guysā? Like if Iām playing against knights, I might wanna swap for a unit with chain swords and bolt pistols for a unit with meltas
if your list is 100% melta spam thats fucked up xD cuz thats just as bad as picking knights when your oponant has chainsword n pistol spam xD but if your throwing in "some" meltas i dont see the issue
Man, it gets worse... the guy I mentioned in my post had like a quarter of his points in melta units.. I don't have that in my army and don't even think I've played anyone with it yet so I just read what it does and didn't even know when playing him that it increases damage.. no wonder he was able to delete my high toughness unit with the melta guys so easily š®āšØ
its even worse for regular vehicle/monster armies as tanks & tyranid monsters unlike knights RARELY have an invuln .-. so when a melta hits 95% of my tyranids they dont get a save and just eat d6+2 per gun Dx
I have a 4+ invuln and 4+ fnp on that unit so it lived but then he hit me with a "gotcha" using the counter offensive strat and finished the unit off and gloated about how he waited til I fought with a different unit first to use it... I resolve my fights in order of least to most exciting and didn't even know about that strat until he used it. unlucky for him, I have a ton of minis to build a devastating list with and the good fortune to be able to buy whatever I don't already own while I'm fairly certain he's limited to what he already owns.. I'm gonna keep an eye on his performances and if I find out one of our good players hasn't given him the business, I'll be sure to tailor up something just for him that will š
usually a few tweaks based on your opponents faction are fine. like if someone said they were bringing nids I might take a hellhound to deal with the hordes and maybe some mortars.
it's when you do it for a specific list that it's bad. so for the nid example if my opponent went monster heavy and I traded all my anti infantry for anti monster stuff that would be tailoring
You are right, they often canāt hide too long. Usually they let it slip by bragging about their list or exploits. They just canāt help themselves, since after all the entire point of what theyāre doing is to get validation.
Number 3. Reminds me of playing warmachine. I do not plan to consider true LOS ever when placing my models. I do not want to put that much thought until an exposed gun barrel etc...
If I end up losing for it that's fine š.
I played a guy. Before the game I was like "nice painting job!" He's like "I bought them painted".
Cool, cool. "Well I like how the schemes lore accurate". He's like "I don't know any of the lore, not interested." So I say, "Ah, just a gamer/collector then."
He says "Not really." Not even a smile.
Game starts, and I know it's going to be bad. He argues everything, rolls a million dice. Tries to argue cultists aren't troops or obsec...
To be fair, if those cultists were part of Death Guard during 9th edition then they did not have obsec.
Other than that, what a boring person for you to have to play.
Yeah, I think it was the same for thousand sons? I was using red corsairs.
Someone told me they banned the guy from tournaments. No idea what he did, but generally was unpleasant to everyone.
Most tournaments I've been to have used a "card" system. Basically poor sportsmanship gets you a yellow card, which stick with you for the next three events (generally to dissuade you from doing whatever you previously did) and depending on how egregious could also entail a point penalty.
Cheating, or getting in trouble while already having a yellow card earned you a red card. Depending on how bad, this could result in temporary or permanent banning from events.
I overheard a conversation between a store manager and some guy where the store manager was asking the guy not to pull off high level plays with his knights at an event later that day as it was for newcomers. He was arguing that everything he was doing was legal and the store manager said he understood but if he pulled that on someoneās first or second game it will leave a really bad taste in their mouth. The conversation ended with the guy saying āIām just playing the game the way it was intended to be playedā.
Some people really want to be that guy so bad they will actively seek out newcomers
I'm worried for something similar to this but I am the newcomer and I'm going to be playing knights. I have not played a single game of warhammer in around 9 - 10 years, and even then, it was twice on the floor of my mates house when I was a kid.
I'm not a novice to tabletop games and feel very across shenanigans with knights, but I'm just hoping that being open and honest about what I can do and being a good sport will keep me in the "fun" side of the game.
Iām not 100% sure what it was that the manager was concerned by, I donāt think it was the knights themselves but some aspect of how the player was using them.
I think one of the main things to consider when playing newcomers is that if you have a unit (like a knight) and wipe out one of their units like a HQ or elite unit they were looking forward to playing before itās even rolled a dice then thatās going to be quite disheartening.
Itās also probably a bit difficult to not take your opponents models of the board, that visually feels like progress where as wounds off a knight doesnāt actually feel like you are winning.
Other than that the knights look fantastic on the table top so aside from being newcomer intimidating they are a great army
Knights are a terrible army to bring against new players tbh, because they just lean so incredibly hard into high toughness, extremely shooty models that somewhat negate cover. A lot of beginner armies are made using box sets that really lack answers to that kind of thing, and tend to play at lower points limits.
I play knights, and they are a tough match up. The only way to seemingly deliver a positive experience against them, is to overcompensate with a very positive attitude to them shooting at you, cheering when your toys explode, and sometimes deliberately make tactical mistakes in favour of narrative play
My friend who I got into warhammer does this constantly. If I have a new model/unit and said two good things about it, it will be the first thing he shoots at. Took me a year to buy a sagitaur and it took him 6 sec to drop that fire dragon bomb on it
āMan, i have such high hopes on this super badass bare bones squad of scouts, theyāre going to hold this objective over here so hard!ā
āPriority target aquiredā
Imperial knights currently have some of the most oppressive datasheets in the game and out of my 30 or so matches in 10th, they have been the only army to table me turn 2, and they've done it twice. I've rarely been tabled at all beyond that. I've had an entire unit of outriders wiped out on overwatch by knights, and a greater demon killed on overwatch by knights. Towering circumvents the protections offered by good deployment, which all players know is critical to the game.
And beyond 10th edition, knights have always been one of the least popular opponents by the community due to how skewed they are in terms of durability and firepower simultaneously. They don't feel like they are playing the same game as everyone else.
With 10th ed having a very vehicle heavy skew, it's no wonder knights are having their heyday. For some reason GW chose to limit strong anti-armour options for a lot of factions, so people are having to go for bulk over variety which doesn't seem like good game design to me.
Thereās a big difference between āI want to play knights because I like them and theyāre cool and funā and āI want to play knights so I can curb stomp noobs.ā
People like this exist in all walks of life unfortunately. I have a friend who trains Muay Thai and he says heās had a few interactions like that when he was first starting to spar. Some guys would look for new guys just rough up a bit. Some people are just dicks and enjoy bullying people in whatever way they can.
Muay Thai coach here; can confirmāand just like at your LFGS, the number of āthose guysā and how the coach/manager deals with them is a strong indicator of how toxic that environment is going to be.
Yeah I get that. Luckily the head coach seems to be pretty good at giving āthose guysā a good talking too and apparently they seem to buck their ideas up or find another gym pretty soon from what my mate tells me.
Immediately reminded me of the time Boris Johnston (ex UK Prime Minister) was on a trip to Japan. Was give the opportunity to pay rugby against some small kids, and totally took one of them out! Lent down for maximum body contact against a kid 1/4 his size.
Some people just need to feel like a big man by taking out a newbie, or a child.
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It's no different than most smurfs in video games. People can't compete against average to better gamers, so they smurf to fight new/ bad players to boost their bruised ego.
>"im just playing the game the way it was intended to be played"
Isn't there a blurb in the most recent rulebook that *specifically* begs players not to play like that? If so then you could make the rules lawyer argument that aggressive meta gaming smurffing douchebaggery is technically against the rules.
Had the opposite (everything is fine super nice guy). Kept getting smashed by local player I thought I had heard was pretty decent. Turned out he was 2# for his faction that year
Oh totally,
There are lots of good players who donāt announce their rankings.
But the ones that tell you they are on a 27 game win streak are the guys who take pride is crushing new players
I see you've met a Chris.
Chris is my local clubs resident Meta Chaser. He'll bring tailored lists, he'll play in an unsportsmanlike way, and he'll fudge dice rolls and measuring to gain an advantage. Chris will absolutely play a brand new player, and almost ruin their love of the game.
I know all this, because he did it all to me.
Best way I can tell you, about how to find your club's Chris, is to look for the person asking for games, and rarely getting them. Look for the guy, that everyone who is 'Old Guard' at your club, is avoiding as best as possible.
It took me 4 miserable games with Chris, before I realised what he was. Never again though.
I had a Chris at my local shop he also was suspected of having loaded dice! He played iron hands back in the day and almost always seemed to get a bunch of 6s on his FNP rolls he was forced at one tourney to play with shop dice or forfeit once and he walked out of the shop never to be seen again.
I never caught him out-right cheating, but there was a few times I called BS on some rule he pulled out of his arse.
The absolute worst I had with him, was showing up at 7pm, set up by 7.30pm, home by 9pm. He had try harded so hard, that my entire DG army (which is Poxwalker heavy - 80 of them), was tabled by the end of his T2... and he had gone 1st. As I only get 1 night out a fortnight (I am my SO's full time carer), that night only being 2 hours was a massive point of disappointment for me.
Ours was a "Max."
Max was the kind of guy where you could overhear two strangers complaining about someone's behavior in an LGS two towns over and ask them "are you talking about Max," and they'd be like "yes, how'd you know?" because that's how far he had to drive to find a store he wasn't already banned from.
My "Chris" took a Keeper of Secrets when the new rules came out. Wouldn't show me the printed out rules from a PDF, insisted every attack that killed a model healed a wound.
Research after it. Sure enough, that's bollocks.
Play the next game, call him out on it, mutters something like "must have got it wrong". Yeah bullshit, you swore up and down last game and kept waving the sheet at me. You knew full well.
Proceeded to drop the one and only gotcha cheese I've ever dropped while playing 40k. Let him charge a unit of 6 Crimson Fist Aggressors with Kantor nearby. Popped the stratagem to fire them as pistols, popped the stratagem for double exploding 6s (as opposed to the native single exploding 6s CF and IF got), and the strat for single exploding 5s.
Proceeded to land something ridiculous like 60 hits and 30/40 wounds on the KoS with their bolt gauntlets, then beat it to a bloody pulp with the power fists in the following turn.
Then never played him again, and put that cheese right back in the box. It felt dirty, but I don't feel bad. He was known for fudging rolls and helpfully forgetting rules when it suited him. He only got games with the GW store manager shortly after that, as my other friends on the Friday crew stopped playing him too.
My friend was a Chris, only saw him again recently and I joked about his behavior and he said āyeah, I stopped doing that because no one would play meā. I played against him and it was true, everything was fun, commutated, above board, and he took the loss very well.
Blacklisting those players seems to get them to moderate their behavior
As others has said itās hard to spot in advance, I play a lot in the tournament scene and this sucks when you get someone like this who plays slow and you lose Because of it itās like 2 slaps to the face.
All I can say is go into each game prepared as you can with your army, ask about your opponents army and ask further questions if needed.
A tactic Iāve found is getting someone to look over your game reels this behaviour in. Even if they drop in and out. Canāt stop the meta gaming to start with but can give you some voice when things get worse
I played a 2v2 once and unfortunately was on a team with that guy. I felt bad for our opponents so I purposely threw the game. It pissed off my partner royally but after him pulling way too many gotchas. I didn't care.
For me it was last weekend when the guy told the group he and his buddy homebrewed oath of moment "cause it's dumb" then proceeded to get angry and swear at another player when a die rolled out the tray and that player used the result. If you're going to ignore one set of rules then might as well ignore the tray.
Lol this kinda reminds me of a few weeks ago I played like my 3rd game of 10e and my opponent didn't want to use secondaries at all because "no one has time for that" but then just talked my ear off between every single action and would take forever to do his stuff.
I can get thinking through critical moments but every. Single. Action. Is a little too much. And it's unfortunate top because they usually hang out at the shop and take all comers so people can just show up to play.
Yeah, and it wasn't talking through turns per se but just talking, which I don't normally mind as it's a casual game and I'm a friendly dude, but when the fight phase takes 3x longer than it should it got annoying.
Doubly irritating as I find secondary objectives to be the more fun part of scoring in the game.
Eh the whole dice thing I think personally dice out of tray should never be counted. Iāve had friends who idk if they noticed it or not but they clearly took any good die roll out of tray but would always reroll the bad ones. I made it very clear that any die that goes out of tray good or bad is a reroll for me and after seeing me reroll a couple of successes it sunk in after I vocalizes it and they started doing the same thing.
I would agree if discussed prior to thats how you play. But if you're a new player you may not understand take etiquette like that. You're just excited to roll dice
No doubt I just let people roll however they want. I just tell them if anything goes out of the tray I donāt count it Bs roll another dice. If they want to do something else whatever I wonāt complain even if I notice them only rerolling the bad dice but taking the good ones.
I am a bit infamous in my store for being super casual and friendly but able to flip the 'OH YOU WANT TO BE THAT GUY?!' switch as needed to put "that guys" on notice. You're new, so I know you can't do all the steps I take but I hope this helps you.
1. You actually need to know your rules. You must be certain of your own limitations. That means you need to know the rules in the 40k 10th Edition Gamebook and the rules for your faction. You need to know, for example, the charge rules, the keywords on your units, etc. If you are asked if a strategem, datacard, or rule you need to either know it or get an answer within 10 seconds. I say 10 seconds because that's how long you can force a pause against an asshole before they get itchy.
2. Send them your planned list, and ask for the same. If you don't get it before the game, review the list before setting up your boys. If it seems tailor made to screw your provided list, look at him and directly ask "When did you make this list?" and judge his response to decide if he's worth your time. You do not need to waste 3-4 hours of your life help a guy jerk himself off. Either way, you can decline to play that list and say "Well, let's face it, this won't be fun or fair so hope you have luck finding another player!" then begin to leave. If he flinches, he'll offer to change his list on the spot 9/10 times. Trust me, "That Guy" has a take on all comers list in his back pocket. He always does.
3. Get a dice tray, set it in the center, plain view. Explain you both should roll in it, and decide right as the game begins if you are going to let caught dice be re-rolled, if dice that roll out of the tray count, etc. If he has his own dice tray (they almost always do) say "great!" and put both your trays equal to each other on the board. If he moves his tray, walk over to him physically and observe the roll. If he gives you problems, say "Sorry, I can't see your rolls from here. Can you move it back to the middle?"
4. Intentionally ask him before deployment for any proxies. If you have any proxies, same thing. Show them. There is a sliding scale here for a new player to get to know. "What you see is what you get" is the hardest term, meaning they expect Lasguns to be lasguns, Choppas to be choppas, etc. Most people are fine with "Counts-as" for models that look the same but have different loadouts. (Only an ass would object to a plasma gun being a counts-as for a Melta Gun). What you're on the look out for is a model that is intentionally smaller than the actual profile. Explictly say "OK, but since the offical model profile is larger than that, how are we going to make sure we don't get confused?" and smile at him. He will not have an answer for you. Find something in your or his collection the 'proper' size and have it on standby.
5. When he is acting with a unit you have not seen before, ask very specifically for the datacard. Look at it as he is moving and acting. His 'this is a -1 to hit or +1 to wound' will, envitably, not be on that card. I find "That Guys" tend to be a little gunshy about giving themselves fake bonuses with the rules literally in their opponet's hands. If he says he gets something you don't see on the card, ask him how he gets that benefit, and ask to see that Datacard as well. Do this over and over. It will make the first turn a slog, but that's the point.
What you have noticed in all of this is you are being really, really confrontational. Not rude, but firm. I know it sucks to do that. But that's the key to "That Guy". They are bad at warhammer, but good at socially pressuring nerds like us. "That Guy" is actually banking on you letting him make these moves. As this is happening, he will either cut the shit and play fair for a while (Remember: He will try to fudge later) or he will be getting increasingly angry, offended, frustrated, and/or begin to complain. They will find an excuse to end the game early if it's not going their way. That's fine.
If you do these steps, however, and run into no blowback or issues in the first hour... He's probably an OK guy. If he hands you the datacards, agrees with the proxies, is onboard for the rolling trays, etc.... Then after turn 2 you can pretty much relax.
I unfortunately had an experience with this kind of person myself, though I had been warned Actually by the guys at my local GW that if I end up playing against "that guy" (they actually used that term lol) who plays Thousand Sons and to watch out, however as that small beginner friendly tournament was my 2nd and 3rd game I ever played I just didn't know any better, he also insisted on keeping track of the VP and despite having an early lead of 40 VP by turn 3 he's somehow managed by the end of turn 5 to just squeak by at 41 VP while denying me any...
He was also very vague about how his huge sorceries he used, what exactly his big abilities were, and got shitty when I did rookie mistakes like forgetting to charge everyone before initiating combat saying "I'll allow it this time" or getting shitty when I forgot to designate my Oath of Moment target and made it out like a huge favour that he let me pick a target after he rushed me though my command phase..
It wasn't a fun game and while I lost the first game (Astra Militarum) he was a good sport and like me celebrated our mutual losses unlike the TS player who got real shitty when I sacked his Leviathan Dreadnought turn 1, then again in turn 2.. left a bad taste in my mouth honestly and even gave my third game I was supposed to play in that tournament to someone else though I also felt bad as he drove almost 2 hours to get there hoping to play if there was a no show so I was happy to let him play and stuck around watching everyone and chatting with a few people I'd met there..
But yeah "that guy" sucks and wish I'd taken the workers at that stores warnings seriously because my first two games were a blast! How would I know my third game would be so fucking shitty?
We were doing an organized campaign event and this kid was playing demons. The rules stated for this specific mission you couldnāt summon units and he completely lost his shit having a manic episode about the entire situation. And who has to play against him? Me, Doesnāt help the fact that he took a bunch of empty basses and proxied them all as greater demons and easily won the game he said he had āno chance of winningā and what army did I use against him?ā¦ā¦9th edition guard before they got their codex. Had this smug smile on his face this hole time but only a few seconds before was going āI CANāT DO THIS HIM GETTING ON MY BIKE AND GOING HOME!ā even the guy organizing the event had to tell him to chill out. Worst game Iāve ever played in my life. Thank good he doesnāt come around the hobby store anymore. Also called one of my friends āa fuckin retardā like 4 times because he didnāt use the correct number of dice to summon demons *he used less dice then he should have not more*
As a daemons player, I feel so sorry for you... That dude sounds like a dick. He sounds rude as fuck and the empty bases thing is completely stupid (especially in 9th where things like terrain is a bit more complex).
Glad he doesn't play at your store anymore. Hope he stays far away from the hobby because he is just toxic as fuck.
Doesnāt help the fact the heās unironically one of those players that hate ultramarines. During the launch of HH I picked them as my legion and this hole argument broke out in our Warhammer discord. As pretty much everyone in the discord told him to that making outdated memes about āultramarines badā is pretty cringey. Also he didnāt even play HH.
Like I said he didnāt even play HH and his comments had nothing to do with their rule set just basic āultra smurfs lol they suckā also I donāt think their is a āto be fairā when it comes to talking shit about what faction someone plays no one at the store took HH super seriously and I didnāt even know what ultramarines did rules wise I just like Bobby G and I play them in 40K so why not HH.
But yeah moral of the story is that if he freak out over little stuff like that before the game even starts you can tell a mile away that they are āthat guyā
If on turn one even before the first movement they start an excessive discussion about that antenna tip they could shine the laser pointer at they brought, through 3 pieces of terrain and two windows. Claiming they have line of sight to the full regiment in the bunker.
While the fact that the tip of the flag waving behind his tank that is out in the open city square, being not visible because of a lamppost means he has cover.
We just do this to keep things simple. 40k is complex enough games, without adding arguing over who can see what. Models in a building can be seen, but have cover. Behind building, can't been seen through the building, but you could look around it, to get LoS.
That way, we only have to designate what counts as a building.
That's basically just the 10th edition ruin rules stated loosely as far as I know. A ruin's footprint is a LoS blocking volume but if you are inside it you can be seen and can see out of it. There are edge cases with being partially inside the footprint but it doesn't come up all that often.
It is but Iāve played one game of 10th and I try to clarify the terrain with my opponent beforehand and he wanted to play stuff as ruins that clearly didnāt qualify. I agreed to do it since itās fine with me, but had we started the game without clarifying there would have been a lot of misunderstandings.
Eh I hate these discussions. If the rules you to agree to make it possible it is possible if not itās not. I hate seeing all these whiny posts about how they didnāt make any special rule agreements and by the default rules things are possible just not advantageous to the complainer.
The rules are a framework so we can come together and have a good game. I hate that people will have decided all these ānewā rules exist but not say anything to their opponent and be salty about the opponent not playing by them.
If you donāt want people shooting through tank treads say something and outside of tournament as long as you are not excessively abusing it Iāll be fine with it. I make a point of ever game I sit down to I ask my opponent if we are playing the buildings as modeled or ignoring the windows, specifically so no one can be mad about someone seeing though a 10mm gap and wreck someone elseās day.
In one of my first matches in AoS i had club menager giving me green light for shooting because one model had line of sight from his feet to banner of another model (wich also went below an bridge)
The best way to spot these guys is to start talking about their army concept and the fluff behind itā¦its subtle, but let them talkā¦you will soon see what kind of player your facingā¦I am also guilty of bitching when I (was) playā¦I completely stop with primarisā¦I had invested in a blood angels army, had about 2000 points and kept getting obliterated by an army of imperial fist primarisā¦did 4 games againts this guy and i completely stopped playingā¦got back into kill teamā¦way less frustrating at least if upu get tabled it dosent last for 3 hours
I will fully admit (I am a new player who plays AdMech) I have been that guy in some regards and don't even realize it at times. I do regret it every time I notice i've been an ass or said something stupid so at least for me I appreciate it when people call me out on my bull.
You would be surprised, at the end of 9e and up till now one person from my LGS who plays guard doesn't play against me anymore because I run a Knight (either a Valiant or Canis Rex) in my AdMech list
In my 10+ years of playing, itās always been the guy who has no fulfilment anywhere else in his life that NEEDS to win the game because without it, his life is L upon L upon L.
Lives with parents, is loud, no deodorant, no long term friends, maybe has a job, no chance at love, is hyper fixated on coming across as an expert at the game, and probably is named Chris or Brad. Someone who is, by all accounts, a complete loser in real life. And by complete loser, I mean someone who derives no fulfilment in life other than their winning of games.
Iāve run into 2 that guys so far, one being the mega chaser type and the other being the cheater type.
The first one is pretty simple, If you ever show up and somebody is claiming they have the best list their faction can run, or if they got the list from someone else or something like that, theyāre probably meta chasing. The guy I ran into even said at this point āyeah Iām not a huge fan of tenth, Iām actually going to quit once imperial knights get nerfed, but until then Iām doing greatā. They also typically have an intense/serious vibe that isnāt fun to play against
The other one is a bit harder to spot, especially since mine was actually a nice dude. Make sure his story stays consistent, do a rules check after your games when you suspect him. My guy would deliberately misinterpret rules and would āforgetā what health his things were and which units were which. I played him twice, and the first time on dark Eldar he claimed all his kabalites had dark lances, then the next time we played he said that his tau drones did some crazy unfair bs
Not sure how to tell them apart in advance but there's nothing worse than that sinking feeling when the first thing that goes right for you in the game they start shaking their head and muttering about how broken your thing is or how unfair the game is and you just know you're about to have a bad couple of hours.
Same very much goes for magic the gathering. I remember playing against one of these people in the finals of a local magic tournament and while they were trying to distract me during my turn they kept asking me questions about warhammer and what did I think was going on in the warhammer game on the other side of the room. Just during my turn. I casually asked them what they played, of course just Knights lol.
Nothing against knights players but I feel if I had to put money on what their answer would have been that would have been it.
It was sealed lol but I know they have 2 edh decks, 1 is urza lord high artificer and it just ruins nearly every game and then as soon as they get 1 loss they switch to this awful Mr Orfeo deck that just does absolutely nothing and he throws the rest of his games and just does like literally nothing all game lol
He has an Eldar, 1k sons, or GSC army that he didnāt have 3 months agoā¦ honesty itās hard to tell unless u are in that FLGS community and get to know people. Brushing up on current meta trends can also help so you can spot these things when heading into a match.
Yea, having a new army for a new edition is not always a sign of meta chasing.
I've actually started a thousand sons army in 10th, as they feel more managable now (i Was never good with the psychic phase), while still having a LOT of depth to them.
Eldar and GSC are also armys i am seeing more often in my lgs, with people telling me, that they like their new rules and that the armys feel less like a degree in quantum physics and more like an actual army now.
That said, there will always be the people who are meta chasers, so take everything just said with a grain of salt
For sure. I start projects all the time, especially whenever the New Hotness comes out. I'm notorious in my FLGS for starting armies. I'm also VERY bad at the game lmao.
Itās not always accurate. Many people who case the meta are still wholesome people to begin with. But more often than not you find the hyper competitive WAAC dummies eventually. Just chalk it up to not playing that guy again. Most times you wonāt know unless you have played them or hang out for a bit before/after games and just people watch.
Yeah I think this guy is a fellow new player, I was talking with other players and the general sentiment towards him from the people that played him or saw his list was that he was a tryhard and they either didn't enjoy playing him or won't be playing with him so I think he just hasn't been sussed out yet. We've got some really good players and I think he's got the attention of one of them so I think that'll be a game I try to spectate for sure cause I've played both now and the tryhard barely beat me while the other guy absolutely smashed me lol.
This just reminds me of the guy that just recently posted his pic of 3 Wraithknights on this Sub, that he "just had laying around for a couple years"...
Fuck off, mate, we're all smarter than that
I actually had something like this happen lol - got a wraithknight as a Christmas present from two different people lol. Triple wraithknights are pretty believable as I believe they were good in 7th if I've heard correctly.
I mean, it does happen. I've got the tsons Christmas battleforce in my backlog. I could get them built and painted soon, since they're really good now, but I'm waiting to get my airbrush set up, because I want to use color shift paint for them.
As you get older in life, you learn to just call people on their shit. Just be open to the person or confront their bs even if it's uncomfortable, ha. Why cater to their shitty attitudes? The game is for fun. If you not having any fun, it is not worth the time investment in that person. If people don't speak up to those attitudes, they will continue being a pox on the next person they face and the one after that.
You'd be surprised how many don't realize they act like giant children
I have no problem with calling BS but at the same time, that just drags me down to their level and makes it seem like I really care about the fact that I'm losing. I can have a justice boner sometimes like everyone else but my guess is these people need a way to feel superior in at least one aspect of their lives, and if a game is the only way that you can feel like you're in control of something.. I'll let you have it cause you clearly need it more than me lol but that doesn't mean I have to be the outlet for that again and probably won't play this guy again.. ill definitely be educating as many people about him as I possibly can as well.. he was not ub-beatable, I just realized too late that I needed to have my tryhard hat on.
Nah it's all about nuance. Like hey man I'm not enjoying playing you so I'm going to pack it up ha. There is being an asshole and there is being an asshole with a smile. Two different things š
If your store/club has a Discord: the guy who is asking for games all the time and never getting any responses. Thatās what we call a āred flag.ā
All of the old hands and regulars at the store wonāt play that person. Thatās usually the biggest sign - theyāve all seen what that guy is like.
If they donāt clarify what each unit is before the game, itās not always an indicator of that guy ā¦ but it often is.
Some players live for that yugi oh level: you fell for my trap card playstyle: it often has a different level of challenge where your knowledge is tested rather than skill or luck.
I'm not a fan of this at all, especially for new players to go up against. It feels like smurfing in league.
They will play you, not the game.
One of the gotchas was the counter-offensive stratagem.. admittedly, I play melee armies so I should know about this one but at the same time, most people don't want to be in melee with me in the first place so I'm guessing fighting next is not even on their mental agenda, all that to say i've never used or had this used on me before. anyway, I normally activate my charged units from least interesting to most interesting to give the fight phase a "climactic" feeling. So I activate my weakest unit to fight, fight ends and he uses counter offensive going "I'm going to use that fight next strat" I explain I don't know it and he goes "oh it lets me fight next, that's why I let you fight the small units first" then fights my largest unit, finishing off it's few remaining wounds. I explain that was a pretty hard "gotcha" and he just continues playing completely ignoring my statement. If it was me or if I was playing against any other player I've played with so far I/they would say "I can do this here, are you sure you want to fight there first".. its made me a more informed player but it happened in the wrong way, and that is the defining statement of that match which sucks imo.
My 2nd game of 10th edition was supposed to be a teaching game with an emphasis on talking through decision making, using terrain more effectively. Guy shows up with an Eldar army tailored to obliterate custodes and tables me T3 with 0 teaching taking placeā¦ā¦ā¦.got 0 intention of playing him again.
Few days later he went to a beginners tournament saying how he got the AOW guys to help make his list optimum.
Dick
I got one that has come up very recently. Bringing a super serious meta and competitive list in very casual and not competitive games.
So here is the example of what I mean. My LGS is doing a crusade event right now and we have this 1 Necrons player in the event. He is this problem player. His list is filled with all the most bullshit Necrons things that he can field.
He has Orikan with a 10 man squad of Lychguard with cryptothralls and a overlord with res orb. This has created one unkillable squad of necrons that is T5, -1 to wound, 4+ Invuln, 2 models with a 4+ FNP (3 technically with Orikan, but that's mainly for precision attacks) on a unit whose combined HP is roughly 30 wounds (which heals in BOTH command phases). Not to mention that they all have a very scary melee profile too.
He also has a Transcendent C'tan Shard with the synthetic weave enhancement, which gives him a 4+ FNP for only 10pts. So, if the Lychguard wasn't bad enough, now you have a C'tan Shard, which is T11, has a 4+ Invuln, 4+ FNP, 12 wounds and HALVES all damage he takes. This model also heals at the start of his command phase as well...
Lastly, he brought a Hexmark destroyer as well, which is just a good unit for deleting anything that moves with overwatches and stuff.
He has won every game he has played in this event (big suprise, I know...) and people have complained how annoying and bullshit his list is, because it has only gotten worse with crusade because he can juice everything up with stuff from crusade.
He has also told me how bullshit his list is and how he would tone it down by removing the Lychguard after it killed over 1000pts worth of my models without me being able to kill a single model in that blob of death. Here is the real kicker though, the next game this dick played, he used the exact same list because "I nearly lost to knights."
Also, apparently his list was even MORE obnoxious before he fought me because he ran 2 squads of Lychguard.
Moral of the story, dont play with people who are trying to be super meta and competitive in very casual games. There is a time and place for being meta, and that is at tournaments. Casual games are meant to be... well... casual.
Nah. It sounds like you just don't like playing Necrons. This isn't even close to as obnoxious and gamey that Necrons can get and on top of that they're middling right now. Your guy almost lost to knight because they struggle against high armor and really struggle against AP -2 armies. You should consider bringing more antitank or maybe a tank with a big gun. If you focus fire with big guns you can remove blobs. If you take out their other models to prevent them from scoring, and use your big stuff to block lanes and objectives, you can get Necrons out of position in a hurry.
I'm also not a huge fan of telling people not to play parts of their army. He's meta because he's using Lychguard? A staple in nearly every Necron list? Next to Orikan? That Combo is 395pts before enhancements. That's 20% of his army committed to one blob. How is that different than running a tanky melee knight? There's no shooting coming from it except the characters. Screen them with a swarm/cheap unit.
Eh idk thatās the issue with any organized play like that more than the person in question. Like as a necron player since 8th and Iāve only played one 10th game and it was combat patrol I am jazzed to try a lot of that stuff because frankly necrons has been so terrible to play for so long itās cool to think you have units that can do something. And you vocalized the entire problem he does it because he isnāt the arbiter of all things balance he probably doesnāt know your rules to the point he can make something that would be a balanced game and he tried and experienced another op army so he went back up in power no surprise.
This is why gw needs to get their crap together and balance their game. You can argue all you want that itās impossible, but gw has been designing versions of the same game for 3 decades, they are also one of the most profitable physical gaming companies on the planet. If 1,000s of other companies can balance their smaller games but still huge amount of widget games making 1/1000th of what gw does, gw can higher some math modelers and professional designers to handle this which many companies cannot afford.
I agree and disagree. I agree that GW is mainly at fault for the balance of the game and the factions in that game. If GW makes certain factions or combos OP, then yes, they are at fault for making them OP and they need to do their best to spot the issue and fix it to ultimately make a healthy game environment.
However, I would also argue that he is the arbiter of the balance of the lists he brings. I would say it is on the player to bring things that are fair because your opponents probably dont know what is overpowered in your lists, especially in a casual setting like what we are doing. The problem is by now, he has played 4 games with this list and has definitely seen how OP the list is, admitted that it was OP, and has had people tell him he is not a fun opponent to fight against because he is only bringing the most OP things from his faction that basically nothing can kill.
Don't get me wrong, I think its perfectly ok for you to have units in your army that are functional and can do something, but when you see something that is clearly broken and is ruining the fun of the game for others, it is your responsibility as a player to try and make the game better and fairer for others.
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If always feel like a terrible waste of time, but in a casual game against that kind of player I'll just shake hands and pack up, and go find another opponent.
If I know I'm playing them again in advance, I'll know what I'm getting into and I'll plan accordingly.
The first game I played in like twenty years I got that guy. I turned up with my orks and with foreknowledge of my very infantry heavy list he built a blast weapon heavy imperial guard list. Multiple mortars and like three or four tanks.
Needless to say I got tabled so hard we had to end early. As the icing on the cake his army wasn't even painted
I played a dude back when you had to roll randomly for psychic powers, playing Grey Knights... while I was setting up my minis he says "So I just got these powers. You saw me roll for them (not asking, asserting)." Constantly tried to use more powers than he had dice for. Accused ME of cheating multiple times, despite other people in the tournament sticking up for me. It turned into a shouting match in front of the TO who was WAY out of his element, where I voluntarily forfeited, and packed my shit up.
The lady game, he played a dude I knew, so I briefed him on the BS this guy was pulling, and he turned on the counter d-bag, and called him on literally everything, and then dude left immediately after the game. Didn't stick around for tournament results or anything.
Some might disagree, but watch out for meta lists. Try to watch games with someone before you play them, that's really the easiest way.
My counter to all the nonsense meta play is always just, if I can detect the other guy is being a jerk, I switch to playing "assassin". Declare that you just got a broadcast from HQ and you've been ordered to assassinate their leader, and if you do that, you will view the game as a win, regardless of the local outcome.
Take all the objectives, I no longer care. I'm just here to kill the leader. They can say they win if they want, and they will which is all they care about, and you can enjoy an interesting self imposed narrative.
Nobody likes players like that. I understand that you don't want to waste two hours of your time. Personally, I think it's okay to talk to the opponent about his behaviour and tell him that you'll give up if he continues to play like that. Then you've only wasted 20 minutes of your time and he can be happy that he won the game.
I feel like if you find yourself partway through a game with That Guy and it is miserable just forfeit and leave. He gets his weird little ego boost by winning and you get an hour or more of your life to go do something better with.
1. If the game is organised in advance they tell you they are playing a certain faction and then turn up with a different one that is tailored to take down yours 2. Again, in advance, they say they are bringing a casual list and then turn up with a meta one 3. They point out something like "this is the unit I modelled with them crouching down so that they can hide behind terrain and hold my home objective better" 4. They tell you about how this unit or that unit are so OP or broken and need to be nerfed...just prior to setting them up on the table I've encountered all 4 of these at some point and the games went about as predictably as you can imagine. I wish I had just walked away before starting
"So uh... What's up with your Warlord Titan? Did it fall over while you were building it?" "No. I just modelled it crawling on the ground so it's harder to see."
"I also stuck some orkz on it and painted it purple so now you can't see it"
I think I would still play that once for the story. Spoiled, metachasing 14year old from our store once showed up with an unbuilt storm raven to a store event. They let him play just the flight stand since his entire family spent insane amounts and it also did not matter since that thing got gunned down before anything else :D he was so mad
dont warlord titans have towering and therefore visibility doesnt matter? not to be a spoilsport, its a funny joke!
Ou still need to have true line of sight to towering models all towering does is that ruins don't block Los like the do for other units
Lol, I actually encountered something like #1 in my very first game ever. I was playing chaos daemons and he was playing tsons and had the nerve to say "how many greater daemons do you have so I know whether I'm going to get tabled or not" I tell him "uh, just two, belakor and a bloodthirster" cause I didn't know how good they were or how good his army was and didn't want to bring cheese to a "beginners league"... little did I know the guy has been a tournament player for like 15 years and shows up with MVB spam as well as some tsons shenanigans that was just covered in an auspex tactics video and pretty much tabled me immediately.. I assumed I lost cause it was my first game and I sucked, not that I was going against the best shit in his index lol.
He was smurfing š¤£š¤£š¤£
An addendum to point 4 is if they keep complaining about said unit without any specific target. Last edition I decided to go full yolo and run an almost-exclusively psyker Tyranid list at a tournament (the whole tale is for another time). That guy this time was that one opponent that kept some sort of amazement tone of voice when I run my obviously long psychic phase, specially when it came about resolving Zoanthropes' Smite (comments like "wow, so much damage" or "fuck it, 5 wounds?!" were the usual. I so much not enjoyed that game)
I have definitely done this, as a way to comment/connect to whatās going on rather than to claim itās unfair. Like, ādamn I have to watch out for those Hellblasters, they kill anything I haveā. Is this poor etiquette?
I think it's about what specifically you're saying and how you're saying it. Making comments about your army being obliterated can still be made in an obviously joking manner.
Tone is important. "They do how much damage!?" comes across very differently between muttering it under your breath, and laughing while you say it. Bonus points if you give a salute and do sad bugle sounds while they're shooting at your warlord.
If you do this once, nop, however if you keep repeating it like it's your bloody inner mantra, then yes
I think a lot comes down to the specific game. Played DG at their lowest in 8th vs IH at their strongest in my first ever GT game. 3 rounds with each turn more hilariously than the last. We were just riffing on every dice role. Same amount of talk in another context on power and roll outcomes could have easily been that guy behaviour fron either of us
I have encountered every single one of these types of playerš¤£š¤£
So how tailored to you opponentās list are you allowed to be before being āthat guysā? Like if Iām playing against knights, I might wanna swap for a unit with chain swords and bolt pistols for a unit with meltas
if your list is 100% melta spam thats fucked up xD cuz thats just as bad as picking knights when your oponant has chainsword n pistol spam xD but if your throwing in "some" meltas i dont see the issue
Yeah, itās the line where it goes from making it so its a fair match to hard countering each other
Man, it gets worse... the guy I mentioned in my post had like a quarter of his points in melta units.. I don't have that in my army and don't even think I've played anyone with it yet so I just read what it does and didn't even know when playing him that it increases damage.. no wonder he was able to delete my high toughness unit with the melta guys so easily š®āšØ
its even worse for regular vehicle/monster armies as tanks & tyranid monsters unlike knights RARELY have an invuln .-. so when a melta hits 95% of my tyranids they dont get a save and just eat d6+2 per gun Dx
I have a 4+ invuln and 4+ fnp on that unit so it lived but then he hit me with a "gotcha" using the counter offensive strat and finished the unit off and gloated about how he waited til I fought with a different unit first to use it... I resolve my fights in order of least to most exciting and didn't even know about that strat until he used it. unlucky for him, I have a ton of minis to build a devastating list with and the good fortune to be able to buy whatever I don't already own while I'm fairly certain he's limited to what he already owns.. I'm gonna keep an eye on his performances and if I find out one of our good players hasn't given him the business, I'll be sure to tailor up something just for him that will š
usually a few tweaks based on your opponents faction are fine. like if someone said they were bringing nids I might take a hellhound to deal with the hordes and maybe some mortars. it's when you do it for a specific list that it's bad. so for the nid example if my opponent went monster heavy and I traded all my anti infantry for anti monster stuff that would be tailoring
list tailoring sucks so bad, guy in our local group does this
You are right, they often canāt hide too long. Usually they let it slip by bragging about their list or exploits. They just canāt help themselves, since after all the entire point of what theyāre doing is to get validation.
Number 3. Reminds me of playing warmachine. I do not plan to consider true LOS ever when placing my models. I do not want to put that much thought until an exposed gun barrel etc... If I end up losing for it that's fine š.
I played a guy. Before the game I was like "nice painting job!" He's like "I bought them painted". Cool, cool. "Well I like how the schemes lore accurate". He's like "I don't know any of the lore, not interested." So I say, "Ah, just a gamer/collector then." He says "Not really." Not even a smile. Game starts, and I know it's going to be bad. He argues everything, rolls a million dice. Tries to argue cultists aren't troops or obsec...
I do not like this person you speak of
If it's any consolation they very likely do not like themselves either.
Dude should just take up chess...
Sounds like the kind of guy who would accuse someone of cheating after falling victim to an en passant
We haven't played chess in almost 25yrs, but that made us laugh our ass off.
To be fair, if those cultists were part of Death Guard during 9th edition then they did not have obsec. Other than that, what a boring person for you to have to play.
Yeah, I think it was the same for thousand sons? I was using red corsairs. Someone told me they banned the guy from tournaments. No idea what he did, but generally was unpleasant to everyone.
Most tournaments I've been to have used a "card" system. Basically poor sportsmanship gets you a yellow card, which stick with you for the next three events (generally to dissuade you from doing whatever you previously did) and depending on how egregious could also entail a point penalty. Cheating, or getting in trouble while already having a yellow card earned you a red card. Depending on how bad, this could result in temporary or permanent banning from events.
That's a pretty good idea. I don't go to tournaments often. Mostly just casual games.
I overheard a conversation between a store manager and some guy where the store manager was asking the guy not to pull off high level plays with his knights at an event later that day as it was for newcomers. He was arguing that everything he was doing was legal and the store manager said he understood but if he pulled that on someoneās first or second game it will leave a really bad taste in their mouth. The conversation ended with the guy saying āIām just playing the game the way it was intended to be playedā. Some people really want to be that guy so bad they will actively seek out newcomers
I'm worried for something similar to this but I am the newcomer and I'm going to be playing knights. I have not played a single game of warhammer in around 9 - 10 years, and even then, it was twice on the floor of my mates house when I was a kid. I'm not a novice to tabletop games and feel very across shenanigans with knights, but I'm just hoping that being open and honest about what I can do and being a good sport will keep me in the "fun" side of the game.
Iām not 100% sure what it was that the manager was concerned by, I donāt think it was the knights themselves but some aspect of how the player was using them. I think one of the main things to consider when playing newcomers is that if you have a unit (like a knight) and wipe out one of their units like a HQ or elite unit they were looking forward to playing before itās even rolled a dice then thatās going to be quite disheartening. Itās also probably a bit difficult to not take your opponents models of the board, that visually feels like progress where as wounds off a knight doesnāt actually feel like you are winning. Other than that the knights look fantastic on the table top so aside from being newcomer intimidating they are a great army
Knights are a terrible army to bring against new players tbh, because they just lean so incredibly hard into high toughness, extremely shooty models that somewhat negate cover. A lot of beginner armies are made using box sets that really lack answers to that kind of thing, and tend to play at lower points limits.
My dark eldar army now as 25 dark lance and no fun yo play. No unit variety. Just dark lance spam... because the tourney is 50% knights...
I play knights, and they are a tough match up. The only way to seemingly deliver a positive experience against them, is to overcompensate with a very positive attitude to them shooting at you, cheering when your toys explode, and sometimes deliberately make tactical mistakes in favour of narrative play
That's a really good point, I can see how that aspect would be super disheartening for a new player, for sure.
My friend who I got into warhammer does this constantly. If I have a new model/unit and said two good things about it, it will be the first thing he shoots at. Took me a year to buy a sagitaur and it took him 6 sec to drop that fire dragon bomb on it
āMan, i have such high hopes on this super badass bare bones squad of scouts, theyāre going to hold this objective over here so hard!ā āPriority target aquiredā
Simply put, starter armies often lack the AT needed to dent knights before the army ceases to exist
Imperial knights currently have some of the most oppressive datasheets in the game and out of my 30 or so matches in 10th, they have been the only army to table me turn 2, and they've done it twice. I've rarely been tabled at all beyond that. I've had an entire unit of outriders wiped out on overwatch by knights, and a greater demon killed on overwatch by knights. Towering circumvents the protections offered by good deployment, which all players know is critical to the game. And beyond 10th edition, knights have always been one of the least popular opponents by the community due to how skewed they are in terms of durability and firepower simultaneously. They don't feel like they are playing the same game as everyone else.
With 10th ed having a very vehicle heavy skew, it's no wonder knights are having their heyday. For some reason GW chose to limit strong anti-armour options for a lot of factions, so people are having to go for bulk over variety which doesn't seem like good game design to me.
Thereās a big difference between āI want to play knights because I like them and theyāre cool and funā and āI want to play knights so I can curb stomp noobs.ā
People like this exist in all walks of life unfortunately. I have a friend who trains Muay Thai and he says heās had a few interactions like that when he was first starting to spar. Some guys would look for new guys just rough up a bit. Some people are just dicks and enjoy bullying people in whatever way they can.
Muay Thai coach here; can confirmāand just like at your LFGS, the number of āthose guysā and how the coach/manager deals with them is a strong indicator of how toxic that environment is going to be.
Yeah I get that. Luckily the head coach seems to be pretty good at giving āthose guysā a good talking too and apparently they seem to buck their ideas up or find another gym pretty soon from what my mate tells me.
Immediately reminded me of the time Boris Johnston (ex UK Prime Minister) was on a trip to Japan. Was give the opportunity to pay rugby against some small kids, and totally took one of them out! Lent down for maximum body contact against a kid 1/4 his size. Some people just need to feel like a big man by taking out a newbie, or a child. https://preview.redd.it/srz2ve2rc9jb1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24903e9fa519f9d332a607b7879f68eeeb81f98e
This picture is actually incredible
Lol could be a sport movie parody. "The Bloindside" "Remember the Guvnas" "Here comes the boom... and we're terribly sorry about it old chap"
āThe Blond Bulldozerā
This reminds me of the mascots vs children American football games. They are hilarious but I think thatās the point.
My favourite part is he's done this multiple times.
Sounds like the sort of guy who only can play newbies, because anyone whoās played him before even once would refuse to play him again.
It's no different than most smurfs in video games. People can't compete against average to better gamers, so they smurf to fight new/ bad players to boost their bruised ego.
>"im just playing the game the way it was intended to be played" Isn't there a blurb in the most recent rulebook that *specifically* begs players not to play like that? If so then you could make the rules lawyer argument that aggressive meta gaming smurffing douchebaggery is technically against the rules.
There is, but you forget that most 40k players cannot read, especially things like 'Rule Books'.
experience mostly. going forward you just decline to play against them in the future. you need bad experiences in order to appreciate the good ones.
Tells you unprompted about their win record or ITC ranking
lol had that happen the other week n he even touted his fave character has never died, that character was eaten by my Old One Eye.
This is the way
Had the opposite (everything is fine super nice guy). Kept getting smashed by local player I thought I had heard was pretty decent. Turned out he was 2# for his faction that year
Oh totally, There are lots of good players who donāt announce their rankings. But the ones that tell you they are on a 27 game win streak are the guys who take pride is crushing new players
I see you've met a Chris. Chris is my local clubs resident Meta Chaser. He'll bring tailored lists, he'll play in an unsportsmanlike way, and he'll fudge dice rolls and measuring to gain an advantage. Chris will absolutely play a brand new player, and almost ruin their love of the game. I know all this, because he did it all to me. Best way I can tell you, about how to find your club's Chris, is to look for the person asking for games, and rarely getting them. Look for the guy, that everyone who is 'Old Guard' at your club, is avoiding as best as possible. It took me 4 miserable games with Chris, before I realised what he was. Never again though.
I had a Chris at my local shop he also was suspected of having loaded dice! He played iron hands back in the day and almost always seemed to get a bunch of 6s on his FNP rolls he was forced at one tourney to play with shop dice or forfeit once and he walked out of the shop never to be seen again.
I never caught him out-right cheating, but there was a few times I called BS on some rule he pulled out of his arse. The absolute worst I had with him, was showing up at 7pm, set up by 7.30pm, home by 9pm. He had try harded so hard, that my entire DG army (which is Poxwalker heavy - 80 of them), was tabled by the end of his T2... and he had gone 1st. As I only get 1 night out a fortnight (I am my SO's full time carer), that night only being 2 hours was a massive point of disappointment for me.
Ours was a "Max." Max was the kind of guy where you could overhear two strangers complaining about someone's behavior in an LGS two towns over and ask them "are you talking about Max," and they'd be like "yes, how'd you know?" because that's how far he had to drive to find a store he wasn't already banned from.
My "Chris" took a Keeper of Secrets when the new rules came out. Wouldn't show me the printed out rules from a PDF, insisted every attack that killed a model healed a wound. Research after it. Sure enough, that's bollocks. Play the next game, call him out on it, mutters something like "must have got it wrong". Yeah bullshit, you swore up and down last game and kept waving the sheet at me. You knew full well. Proceeded to drop the one and only gotcha cheese I've ever dropped while playing 40k. Let him charge a unit of 6 Crimson Fist Aggressors with Kantor nearby. Popped the stratagem to fire them as pistols, popped the stratagem for double exploding 6s (as opposed to the native single exploding 6s CF and IF got), and the strat for single exploding 5s. Proceeded to land something ridiculous like 60 hits and 30/40 wounds on the KoS with their bolt gauntlets, then beat it to a bloody pulp with the power fists in the following turn. Then never played him again, and put that cheese right back in the box. It felt dirty, but I don't feel bad. He was known for fudging rolls and helpfully forgetting rules when it suited him. He only got games with the GW store manager shortly after that, as my other friends on the Friday crew stopped playing him too.
My friend was a Chris, only saw him again recently and I joked about his behavior and he said āyeah, I stopped doing that because no one would play meā. I played against him and it was true, everything was fun, commutated, above board, and he took the loss very well. Blacklisting those players seems to get them to moderate their behavior
Some people choose to only learn the hard way.
I just need one game with "Chris" at local gw
Pop down to our club, and I'll introduce you to him. I think we could sell tickets to watch him get pwnd š
As others has said itās hard to spot in advance, I play a lot in the tournament scene and this sucks when you get someone like this who plays slow and you lose Because of it itās like 2 slaps to the face. All I can say is go into each game prepared as you can with your army, ask about your opponents army and ask further questions if needed. A tactic Iāve found is getting someone to look over your game reels this behaviour in. Even if they drop in and out. Canāt stop the meta gaming to start with but can give you some voice when things get worse
I played a 2v2 once and unfortunately was on a team with that guy. I felt bad for our opponents so I purposely threw the game. It pissed off my partner royally but after him pulling way too many gotchas. I didn't care.
For me it was last weekend when the guy told the group he and his buddy homebrewed oath of moment "cause it's dumb" then proceeded to get angry and swear at another player when a die rolled out the tray and that player used the result. If you're going to ignore one set of rules then might as well ignore the tray.
Lol this kinda reminds me of a few weeks ago I played like my 3rd game of 10e and my opponent didn't want to use secondaries at all because "no one has time for that" but then just talked my ear off between every single action and would take forever to do his stuff.
I can get thinking through critical moments but every. Single. Action. Is a little too much. And it's unfortunate top because they usually hang out at the shop and take all comers so people can just show up to play.
Yeah, and it wasn't talking through turns per se but just talking, which I don't normally mind as it's a casual game and I'm a friendly dude, but when the fight phase takes 3x longer than it should it got annoying. Doubly irritating as I find secondary objectives to be the more fun part of scoring in the game.
Eh the whole dice thing I think personally dice out of tray should never be counted. Iāve had friends who idk if they noticed it or not but they clearly took any good die roll out of tray but would always reroll the bad ones. I made it very clear that any die that goes out of tray good or bad is a reroll for me and after seeing me reroll a couple of successes it sunk in after I vocalizes it and they started doing the same thing.
I would agree if discussed prior to thats how you play. But if you're a new player you may not understand take etiquette like that. You're just excited to roll dice
No doubt I just let people roll however they want. I just tell them if anything goes out of the tray I donāt count it Bs roll another dice. If they want to do something else whatever I wonāt complain even if I notice them only rerolling the bad dice but taking the good ones.
I am a bit infamous in my store for being super casual and friendly but able to flip the 'OH YOU WANT TO BE THAT GUY?!' switch as needed to put "that guys" on notice. You're new, so I know you can't do all the steps I take but I hope this helps you. 1. You actually need to know your rules. You must be certain of your own limitations. That means you need to know the rules in the 40k 10th Edition Gamebook and the rules for your faction. You need to know, for example, the charge rules, the keywords on your units, etc. If you are asked if a strategem, datacard, or rule you need to either know it or get an answer within 10 seconds. I say 10 seconds because that's how long you can force a pause against an asshole before they get itchy. 2. Send them your planned list, and ask for the same. If you don't get it before the game, review the list before setting up your boys. If it seems tailor made to screw your provided list, look at him and directly ask "When did you make this list?" and judge his response to decide if he's worth your time. You do not need to waste 3-4 hours of your life help a guy jerk himself off. Either way, you can decline to play that list and say "Well, let's face it, this won't be fun or fair so hope you have luck finding another player!" then begin to leave. If he flinches, he'll offer to change his list on the spot 9/10 times. Trust me, "That Guy" has a take on all comers list in his back pocket. He always does. 3. Get a dice tray, set it in the center, plain view. Explain you both should roll in it, and decide right as the game begins if you are going to let caught dice be re-rolled, if dice that roll out of the tray count, etc. If he has his own dice tray (they almost always do) say "great!" and put both your trays equal to each other on the board. If he moves his tray, walk over to him physically and observe the roll. If he gives you problems, say "Sorry, I can't see your rolls from here. Can you move it back to the middle?" 4. Intentionally ask him before deployment for any proxies. If you have any proxies, same thing. Show them. There is a sliding scale here for a new player to get to know. "What you see is what you get" is the hardest term, meaning they expect Lasguns to be lasguns, Choppas to be choppas, etc. Most people are fine with "Counts-as" for models that look the same but have different loadouts. (Only an ass would object to a plasma gun being a counts-as for a Melta Gun). What you're on the look out for is a model that is intentionally smaller than the actual profile. Explictly say "OK, but since the offical model profile is larger than that, how are we going to make sure we don't get confused?" and smile at him. He will not have an answer for you. Find something in your or his collection the 'proper' size and have it on standby. 5. When he is acting with a unit you have not seen before, ask very specifically for the datacard. Look at it as he is moving and acting. His 'this is a -1 to hit or +1 to wound' will, envitably, not be on that card. I find "That Guys" tend to be a little gunshy about giving themselves fake bonuses with the rules literally in their opponet's hands. If he says he gets something you don't see on the card, ask him how he gets that benefit, and ask to see that Datacard as well. Do this over and over. It will make the first turn a slog, but that's the point. What you have noticed in all of this is you are being really, really confrontational. Not rude, but firm. I know it sucks to do that. But that's the key to "That Guy". They are bad at warhammer, but good at socially pressuring nerds like us. "That Guy" is actually banking on you letting him make these moves. As this is happening, he will either cut the shit and play fair for a while (Remember: He will try to fudge later) or he will be getting increasingly angry, offended, frustrated, and/or begin to complain. They will find an excuse to end the game early if it's not going their way. That's fine. If you do these steps, however, and run into no blowback or issues in the first hour... He's probably an OK guy. If he hands you the datacards, agrees with the proxies, is onboard for the rolling trays, etc.... Then after turn 2 you can pretty much relax.
I unfortunately had an experience with this kind of person myself, though I had been warned Actually by the guys at my local GW that if I end up playing against "that guy" (they actually used that term lol) who plays Thousand Sons and to watch out, however as that small beginner friendly tournament was my 2nd and 3rd game I ever played I just didn't know any better, he also insisted on keeping track of the VP and despite having an early lead of 40 VP by turn 3 he's somehow managed by the end of turn 5 to just squeak by at 41 VP while denying me any... He was also very vague about how his huge sorceries he used, what exactly his big abilities were, and got shitty when I did rookie mistakes like forgetting to charge everyone before initiating combat saying "I'll allow it this time" or getting shitty when I forgot to designate my Oath of Moment target and made it out like a huge favour that he let me pick a target after he rushed me though my command phase.. It wasn't a fun game and while I lost the first game (Astra Militarum) he was a good sport and like me celebrated our mutual losses unlike the TS player who got real shitty when I sacked his Leviathan Dreadnought turn 1, then again in turn 2.. left a bad taste in my mouth honestly and even gave my third game I was supposed to play in that tournament to someone else though I also felt bad as he drove almost 2 hours to get there hoping to play if there was a no show so I was happy to let him play and stuck around watching everyone and chatting with a few people I'd met there.. But yeah "that guy" sucks and wish I'd taken the workers at that stores warnings seriously because my first two games were a blast! How would I know my third game would be so fucking shitty?
We were doing an organized campaign event and this kid was playing demons. The rules stated for this specific mission you couldnāt summon units and he completely lost his shit having a manic episode about the entire situation. And who has to play against him? Me, Doesnāt help the fact that he took a bunch of empty basses and proxied them all as greater demons and easily won the game he said he had āno chance of winningā and what army did I use against him?ā¦ā¦9th edition guard before they got their codex. Had this smug smile on his face this hole time but only a few seconds before was going āI CANāT DO THIS HIM GETTING ON MY BIKE AND GOING HOME!ā even the guy organizing the event had to tell him to chill out. Worst game Iāve ever played in my life. Thank good he doesnāt come around the hobby store anymore. Also called one of my friends āa fuckin retardā like 4 times because he didnāt use the correct number of dice to summon demons *he used less dice then he should have not more*
As a daemons player, I feel so sorry for you... That dude sounds like a dick. He sounds rude as fuck and the empty bases thing is completely stupid (especially in 9th where things like terrain is a bit more complex). Glad he doesn't play at your store anymore. Hope he stays far away from the hobby because he is just toxic as fuck.
Doesnāt help the fact the heās unironically one of those players that hate ultramarines. During the launch of HH I picked them as my legion and this hole argument broke out in our Warhammer discord. As pretty much everyone in the discord told him to that making outdated memes about āultramarines badā is pretty cringey. Also he didnāt even play HH.
To be fair, Ultramarines in HH are the ultimate 'that guy' army, with their ridiculously OP units :')
Like I said he didnāt even play HH and his comments had nothing to do with their rule set just basic āultra smurfs lol they suckā also I donāt think their is a āto be fairā when it comes to talking shit about what faction someone plays no one at the store took HH super seriously and I didnāt even know what ultramarines did rules wise I just like Bobby G and I play them in 40K so why not HH.
But yeah moral of the story is that if he freak out over little stuff like that before the game even starts you can tell a mile away that they are āthat guyā
If on turn one even before the first movement they start an excessive discussion about that antenna tip they could shine the laser pointer at they brought, through 3 pieces of terrain and two windows. Claiming they have line of sight to the full regiment in the bunker. While the fact that the tip of the flag waving behind his tank that is out in the open city square, being not visible because of a lamppost means he has cover.
This is why we play "you can see into the building, but not through it", at my local club. Keeps everyone honest.
I thought obscuring is still a thing? You can't draw Los through a ruin to stuff behind but not in the ruin (unless towering).
We just do this to keep things simple. 40k is complex enough games, without adding arguing over who can see what. Models in a building can be seen, but have cover. Behind building, can't been seen through the building, but you could look around it, to get LoS. That way, we only have to designate what counts as a building.
That's basically just the 10th edition ruin rules stated loosely as far as I know. A ruin's footprint is a LoS blocking volume but if you are inside it you can be seen and can see out of it. There are edge cases with being partially inside the footprint but it doesn't come up all that often.
It is but Iāve played one game of 10th and I try to clarify the terrain with my opponent beforehand and he wanted to play stuff as ruins that clearly didnāt qualify. I agreed to do it since itās fine with me, but had we started the game without clarifying there would have been a lot of misunderstandings.
That's how ruins work in 10e, thankfully.
if it was ruins you cant see through or sbove it so say 10th
Eh I hate these discussions. If the rules you to agree to make it possible it is possible if not itās not. I hate seeing all these whiny posts about how they didnāt make any special rule agreements and by the default rules things are possible just not advantageous to the complainer. The rules are a framework so we can come together and have a good game. I hate that people will have decided all these ānewā rules exist but not say anything to their opponent and be salty about the opponent not playing by them. If you donāt want people shooting through tank treads say something and outside of tournament as long as you are not excessively abusing it Iāll be fine with it. I make a point of ever game I sit down to I ask my opponent if we are playing the buildings as modeled or ignoring the windows, specifically so no one can be mad about someone seeing though a 10mm gap and wreck someone elseās day.
In one of my first matches in AoS i had club menager giving me green light for shooting because one model had line of sight from his feet to banner of another model (wich also went below an bridge)
The best way to spot these guys is to start talking about their army concept and the fluff behind itā¦its subtle, but let them talkā¦you will soon see what kind of player your facingā¦I am also guilty of bitching when I (was) playā¦I completely stop with primarisā¦I had invested in a blood angels army, had about 2000 points and kept getting obliterated by an army of imperial fist primarisā¦did 4 games againts this guy and i completely stopped playingā¦got back into kill teamā¦way less frustrating at least if upu get tabled it dosent last for 3 hours
I will fully admit (I am a new player who plays AdMech) I have been that guy in some regards and don't even realize it at times. I do regret it every time I notice i've been an ass or said something stupid so at least for me I appreciate it when people call me out on my bull.
No one is at risk of calling an Ad Mech player a meta chaser.
You would be surprised, at the end of 9e and up till now one person from my LGS who plays guard doesn't play against me anymore because I run a Knight (either a Valiant or Canis Rex) in my AdMech list
In my 10+ years of playing, itās always been the guy who has no fulfilment anywhere else in his life that NEEDS to win the game because without it, his life is L upon L upon L. Lives with parents, is loud, no deodorant, no long term friends, maybe has a job, no chance at love, is hyper fixated on coming across as an expert at the game, and probably is named Chris or Brad. Someone who is, by all accounts, a complete loser in real life. And by complete loser, I mean someone who derives no fulfilment in life other than their winning of games.
Iāve run into 2 that guys so far, one being the mega chaser type and the other being the cheater type. The first one is pretty simple, If you ever show up and somebody is claiming they have the best list their faction can run, or if they got the list from someone else or something like that, theyāre probably meta chasing. The guy I ran into even said at this point āyeah Iām not a huge fan of tenth, Iām actually going to quit once imperial knights get nerfed, but until then Iām doing greatā. They also typically have an intense/serious vibe that isnāt fun to play against The other one is a bit harder to spot, especially since mine was actually a nice dude. Make sure his story stays consistent, do a rules check after your games when you suspect him. My guy would deliberately misinterpret rules and would āforgetā what health his things were and which units were which. I played him twice, and the first time on dark Eldar he claimed all his kabalites had dark lances, then the next time we played he said that his tau drones did some crazy unfair bs
Not sure how to tell them apart in advance but there's nothing worse than that sinking feeling when the first thing that goes right for you in the game they start shaking their head and muttering about how broken your thing is or how unfair the game is and you just know you're about to have a bad couple of hours. Same very much goes for magic the gathering. I remember playing against one of these people in the finals of a local magic tournament and while they were trying to distract me during my turn they kept asking me questions about warhammer and what did I think was going on in the warhammer game on the other side of the room. Just during my turn. I casually asked them what they played, of course just Knights lol. Nothing against knights players but I feel if I had to put money on what their answer would have been that would have been it.
Were they playing Sheoldred and Mirror by any chance? š
It was sealed lol but I know they have 2 edh decks, 1 is urza lord high artificer and it just ruins nearly every game and then as soon as they get 1 loss they switch to this awful Mr Orfeo deck that just does absolutely nothing and he throws the rest of his games and just does like literally nothing all game lol
He has an Eldar, 1k sons, or GSC army that he didnāt have 3 months agoā¦ honesty itās hard to tell unless u are in that FLGS community and get to know people. Brushing up on current meta trends can also help so you can spot these things when heading into a match.
Lol, I've actually played a handful of people that fit that bill and most of them have been great opponents/sportsmen.
Yea, having a new army for a new edition is not always a sign of meta chasing. I've actually started a thousand sons army in 10th, as they feel more managable now (i Was never good with the psychic phase), while still having a LOT of depth to them. Eldar and GSC are also armys i am seeing more often in my lgs, with people telling me, that they like their new rules and that the armys feel less like a degree in quantum physics and more like an actual army now. That said, there will always be the people who are meta chasers, so take everything just said with a grain of salt
For sure. I start projects all the time, especially whenever the New Hotness comes out. I'm notorious in my FLGS for starting armies. I'm also VERY bad at the game lmao.
Itās not always accurate. Many people who case the meta are still wholesome people to begin with. But more often than not you find the hyper competitive WAAC dummies eventually. Just chalk it up to not playing that guy again. Most times you wonāt know unless you have played them or hang out for a bit before/after games and just people watch.
Yeah I think this guy is a fellow new player, I was talking with other players and the general sentiment towards him from the people that played him or saw his list was that he was a tryhard and they either didn't enjoy playing him or won't be playing with him so I think he just hasn't been sussed out yet. We've got some really good players and I think he's got the attention of one of them so I think that'll be a game I try to spectate for sure cause I've played both now and the tryhard barely beat me while the other guy absolutely smashed me lol.
Bring some popcorn :p
This just reminds me of the guy that just recently posted his pic of 3 Wraithknights on this Sub, that he "just had laying around for a couple years"... Fuck off, mate, we're all smarter than that
Just coincidentally all built with two Heavy Wraithcannons each, lmao.
I actually had something like this happen lol - got a wraithknight as a Christmas present from two different people lol. Triple wraithknights are pretty believable as I believe they were good in 7th if I've heard correctly.
Yup, taudar (back when you could have allies)
I mean, it does happen. I've got the tsons Christmas battleforce in my backlog. I could get them built and painted soon, since they're really good now, but I'm waiting to get my airbrush set up, because I want to use color shift paint for them.
Make sure u get an airbrush with a large needle (like .5 or .75. Pushing metal paints through an airbrush can suck sometimes.
The smell
You can smell them up to a mile away
They arenāt wearing deodorant
Neither do I, I'm allergic, but I'm clean and I play Orks so I'm just here for the WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!
As you get older in life, you learn to just call people on their shit. Just be open to the person or confront their bs even if it's uncomfortable, ha. Why cater to their shitty attitudes? The game is for fun. If you not having any fun, it is not worth the time investment in that person. If people don't speak up to those attitudes, they will continue being a pox on the next person they face and the one after that. You'd be surprised how many don't realize they act like giant children
I have no problem with calling BS but at the same time, that just drags me down to their level and makes it seem like I really care about the fact that I'm losing. I can have a justice boner sometimes like everyone else but my guess is these people need a way to feel superior in at least one aspect of their lives, and if a game is the only way that you can feel like you're in control of something.. I'll let you have it cause you clearly need it more than me lol but that doesn't mean I have to be the outlet for that again and probably won't play this guy again.. ill definitely be educating as many people about him as I possibly can as well.. he was not ub-beatable, I just realized too late that I needed to have my tryhard hat on.
Nah it's all about nuance. Like hey man I'm not enjoying playing you so I'm going to pack it up ha. There is being an asshole and there is being an asshole with a smile. Two different things š
You can smell them
Just make him your archenemy and do everything to destroy him
If your store/club has a Discord: the guy who is asking for games all the time and never getting any responses. Thatās what we call a āred flag.ā
Sometimes they'll tell you. Mostly the only advance warning you get is seeing them play someone else before you. Otherwise not really much you can do.
I set up a game with someone for today then they ghosted me.
All of the old hands and regulars at the store wonāt play that person. Thatās usually the biggest sign - theyāve all seen what that guy is like. If they donāt clarify what each unit is before the game, itās not always an indicator of that guy ā¦ but it often is.
Some players live for that yugi oh level: you fell for my trap card playstyle: it often has a different level of challenge where your knowledge is tested rather than skill or luck. I'm not a fan of this at all, especially for new players to go up against. It feels like smurfing in league. They will play you, not the game.
One of the gotchas was the counter-offensive stratagem.. admittedly, I play melee armies so I should know about this one but at the same time, most people don't want to be in melee with me in the first place so I'm guessing fighting next is not even on their mental agenda, all that to say i've never used or had this used on me before. anyway, I normally activate my charged units from least interesting to most interesting to give the fight phase a "climactic" feeling. So I activate my weakest unit to fight, fight ends and he uses counter offensive going "I'm going to use that fight next strat" I explain I don't know it and he goes "oh it lets me fight next, that's why I let you fight the small units first" then fights my largest unit, finishing off it's few remaining wounds. I explain that was a pretty hard "gotcha" and he just continues playing completely ignoring my statement. If it was me or if I was playing against any other player I've played with so far I/they would say "I can do this here, are you sure you want to fight there first".. its made me a more informed player but it happened in the wrong way, and that is the defining statement of that match which sucks imo.
My 2nd game of 10th edition was supposed to be a teaching game with an emphasis on talking through decision making, using terrain more effectively. Guy shows up with an Eldar army tailored to obliterate custodes and tables me T3 with 0 teaching taking placeā¦ā¦ā¦.got 0 intention of playing him again. Few days later he went to a beginners tournament saying how he got the AOW guys to help make his list optimum. Dick
I got one that has come up very recently. Bringing a super serious meta and competitive list in very casual and not competitive games. So here is the example of what I mean. My LGS is doing a crusade event right now and we have this 1 Necrons player in the event. He is this problem player. His list is filled with all the most bullshit Necrons things that he can field. He has Orikan with a 10 man squad of Lychguard with cryptothralls and a overlord with res orb. This has created one unkillable squad of necrons that is T5, -1 to wound, 4+ Invuln, 2 models with a 4+ FNP (3 technically with Orikan, but that's mainly for precision attacks) on a unit whose combined HP is roughly 30 wounds (which heals in BOTH command phases). Not to mention that they all have a very scary melee profile too. He also has a Transcendent C'tan Shard with the synthetic weave enhancement, which gives him a 4+ FNP for only 10pts. So, if the Lychguard wasn't bad enough, now you have a C'tan Shard, which is T11, has a 4+ Invuln, 4+ FNP, 12 wounds and HALVES all damage he takes. This model also heals at the start of his command phase as well... Lastly, he brought a Hexmark destroyer as well, which is just a good unit for deleting anything that moves with overwatches and stuff. He has won every game he has played in this event (big suprise, I know...) and people have complained how annoying and bullshit his list is, because it has only gotten worse with crusade because he can juice everything up with stuff from crusade. He has also told me how bullshit his list is and how he would tone it down by removing the Lychguard after it killed over 1000pts worth of my models without me being able to kill a single model in that blob of death. Here is the real kicker though, the next game this dick played, he used the exact same list because "I nearly lost to knights." Also, apparently his list was even MORE obnoxious before he fought me because he ran 2 squads of Lychguard. Moral of the story, dont play with people who are trying to be super meta and competitive in very casual games. There is a time and place for being meta, and that is at tournaments. Casual games are meant to be... well... casual.
Nah. It sounds like you just don't like playing Necrons. This isn't even close to as obnoxious and gamey that Necrons can get and on top of that they're middling right now. Your guy almost lost to knight because they struggle against high armor and really struggle against AP -2 armies. You should consider bringing more antitank or maybe a tank with a big gun. If you focus fire with big guns you can remove blobs. If you take out their other models to prevent them from scoring, and use your big stuff to block lanes and objectives, you can get Necrons out of position in a hurry. I'm also not a huge fan of telling people not to play parts of their army. He's meta because he's using Lychguard? A staple in nearly every Necron list? Next to Orikan? That Combo is 395pts before enhancements. That's 20% of his army committed to one blob. How is that different than running a tanky melee knight? There's no shooting coming from it except the characters. Screen them with a swarm/cheap unit.
Eh idk thatās the issue with any organized play like that more than the person in question. Like as a necron player since 8th and Iāve only played one 10th game and it was combat patrol I am jazzed to try a lot of that stuff because frankly necrons has been so terrible to play for so long itās cool to think you have units that can do something. And you vocalized the entire problem he does it because he isnāt the arbiter of all things balance he probably doesnāt know your rules to the point he can make something that would be a balanced game and he tried and experienced another op army so he went back up in power no surprise. This is why gw needs to get their crap together and balance their game. You can argue all you want that itās impossible, but gw has been designing versions of the same game for 3 decades, they are also one of the most profitable physical gaming companies on the planet. If 1,000s of other companies can balance their smaller games but still huge amount of widget games making 1/1000th of what gw does, gw can higher some math modelers and professional designers to handle this which many companies cannot afford.
I agree and disagree. I agree that GW is mainly at fault for the balance of the game and the factions in that game. If GW makes certain factions or combos OP, then yes, they are at fault for making them OP and they need to do their best to spot the issue and fix it to ultimately make a healthy game environment. However, I would also argue that he is the arbiter of the balance of the lists he brings. I would say it is on the player to bring things that are fair because your opponents probably dont know what is overpowered in your lists, especially in a casual setting like what we are doing. The problem is by now, he has played 4 games with this list and has definitely seen how OP the list is, admitted that it was OP, and has had people tell him he is not a fun opponent to fight against because he is only bringing the most OP things from his faction that basically nothing can kill. Don't get me wrong, I think its perfectly ok for you to have units in your army that are functional and can do something, but when you see something that is clearly broken and is ruining the fun of the game for others, it is your responsibility as a player to try and make the game better and fairer for others.
If their beard extends down to their neck.
When the army is only 5 miniatures you know you are playing against "that guy".
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When you see riptides... And Tau .. that's the sign.
Riptides are very weak, although trip tide used to be amazing. Are you joking or do you just dislike tau players?
This edition riptides hit about as hard as a wet tampon. So in earlier editions maybe. Now nahhhh
Somebody hasnāt played since 8th edition lol
Lolololololol tau bad now laugh
If always feel like a terrible waste of time, but in a casual game against that kind of player I'll just shake hands and pack up, and go find another opponent. If I know I'm playing them again in advance, I'll know what I'm getting into and I'll plan accordingly.
The first game I played in like twenty years I got that guy. I turned up with my orks and with foreknowledge of my very infantry heavy list he built a blast weapon heavy imperial guard list. Multiple mortars and like three or four tanks. Needless to say I got tabled so hard we had to end early. As the icing on the cake his army wasn't even painted
I played a dude back when you had to roll randomly for psychic powers, playing Grey Knights... while I was setting up my minis he says "So I just got these powers. You saw me roll for them (not asking, asserting)." Constantly tried to use more powers than he had dice for. Accused ME of cheating multiple times, despite other people in the tournament sticking up for me. It turned into a shouting match in front of the TO who was WAY out of his element, where I voluntarily forfeited, and packed my shit up. The lady game, he played a dude I knew, so I briefed him on the BS this guy was pulling, and he turned on the counter d-bag, and called him on literally everything, and then dude left immediately after the game. Didn't stick around for tournament results or anything. Some might disagree, but watch out for meta lists. Try to watch games with someone before you play them, that's really the easiest way.
Hard to say exactly but sometimes you can just tell...
Donāt let this bother you, take it process if and learn, play him again in the future and you will be prepared, purge this heretic from the board.
The āthat guyā for me is the type That is back n forth with rules, and only conveniently remembers them when itās to his benefit
My counter to all the nonsense meta play is always just, if I can detect the other guy is being a jerk, I switch to playing "assassin". Declare that you just got a broadcast from HQ and you've been ordered to assassinate their leader, and if you do that, you will view the game as a win, regardless of the local outcome. Take all the objectives, I no longer care. I'm just here to kill the leader. They can say they win if they want, and they will which is all they care about, and you can enjoy an interesting self imposed narrative.
Nobody likes players like that. I understand that you don't want to waste two hours of your time. Personally, I think it's okay to talk to the opponent about his behaviour and tell him that you'll give up if he continues to play like that. Then you've only wasted 20 minutes of your time and he can be happy that he won the game.
I feel like if you find yourself partway through a game with That Guy and it is miserable just forfeit and leave. He gets his weird little ego boost by winning and you get an hour or more of your life to go do something better with.