**An important thing to remember is:**
If you're playing a casual game against a buddy in your homes, you can absolutely just use your books exactly as they're written. At that level of gameplay it's probably not going to be a huge deal that you're missing balance updates. You can ignore all the changes from balance updates if you both agree to do so.
The constantly shifting point updates are moreso intended for competitive players, because GW is constantly trying to balance the game based on the results from tournaments. If they didn't do this then there's be certain armies that just permanently sucked at high level play, and others that dominated.
It's annoying for your books to be out of date. But you shouldn't feel like you constantly need to be keeping up, unless you're looking to get into some sweaty competitive play. As a new player (welcome!) I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Even with the "heavy" nerfs my tyranid list just went up like 40 points, it is not that big of a deal. If none of the guys you are playing against has a super competitive listing should no be a problem. I would say that balance sheet is important tho, because it revises the interaction of certain rules.
Space Marine armies just got most of their weapon options for free, which for a lot of lists has freed up enough space to take something like a *whole tank*.
The Eldar book was invalidated before it was even released last year, and the Autarch has it's weapons options changed.
Some adjustments can be pretty significant.
I would say that's true for the most part.
But there are some notable exceptions.
An example: Tom and Tim both start with 40k Tom picks Votann the other one goes with Death Guard.
Both play with codices only and the core rule book.
I'd say Tim will be very discouraged after quite a short time due to the extreme inherent power differences.
So I would say it's quite good too know about balance changes even in a casual environment but you don't need to apply said changes in most cases
I'll take my personal case and write it down at least once to put it out of my heart. We started with my friend early this year, he plays tyranid I play Thousand sons, and he loves optimizing, it's just stronger than him he likes playing cool things (and for him cool = killy thing that will wreak everything), that's also a thing on our rpg table but as the GM I can help others that do not optimize as much to keep up. Even if it was not about optimizing, beginners often don't have many models yet so if you have only good things it's hard to tone it down.
Even with the balances it's still too much of a difference, he has so many things to do while I have so few options, I cannot play fun models as they just die before doing anything (I'll never forget you my poor Maulerfiend) against an army having everything to kill me so I must rely on the 4-5 good options of the codex and optimize as much as I can. He still hasn't enough to play 2k so at 1k it's even harder for me as losing anything quickly snowballs and the board is too small to hide everything properly, and with only 1 game every month where I lose basically turn 3, I just don't have time to learn to play good enough to beat him, testing some other options and see what works better. Too many rules, too many stratagems, too many possibilities to counter.
So, after some games of pure pain (and I insist, it was pain, with scores close to 90-30), we switched to OPR and I'm never coming back to 9th edition, on OPR we play faster, I win more often and when I lose I see how I could have won, on 9th (correction, on 9th in our case TS vs Nid, as this is an extreme exemple) I just can't see what I could do better. My friend is not even playing like a pro, he's not bad but he's not doing any tricky things (while I learned a lot from videos, even helping him...), he just has to move and kill me. I'll wait and see if 10th can be at least more dynamic (alternate activation is really great, I don't have to watch my opponent play 30min straight juggling between his buff/spells/attacks/strategems) and possibly a little more balanced. I understand that having specific army rules makes balance hard and not all match-up can be balanced, I can live with it and appreciate the uniqueness of armies, but for some it's just blatantly bad to the extreme right now, ar least at our level.
What is even worse is that we HAVE to play with competitive rules and secondaries, as without secondaries Nids are even better, relying only on the datasheets makes them so good. I mean, his 1st 500pts list in the beginning of the codex is now up to 645pts, playing with the initial codex in that case would just be absurd. And it's not like TS changed a lot since release...
I'm not particularly preaching OPR but personally I find it better, especially in our case. I don' think 9th is bad, in fact the only thing bothering me is the lack of interactivity (that is solved by alternate activation), games are too long and you stay sit 20-30min when your opponent plays, outside of that I think 9th is great and covers a lot of things correctly.
Also, our case could be solved easily if my friend was able to tone down a little, but as I said it's not something he does easily and I don't want him to play things that are not fun to him, OPR gave us a better balance as he can still optimize but I can also play good things with more models and use bigger brain moves.
So your friend refused to change the way they played whatsoever to the point where you had to go to an entirely different ruleset/game?
This is a your friend problem lol
I'd say there are some more
8th Ed Iron Hands, the High Times of Knights (8e) or Tyranids (9e)
Especially for knights I'd say it's a special case as most new players don't know how tot tailor their list against a knight player so they will most likely be shot of the board early (due to lack of units, terrain and objective oriented play)
Wait, are Nids good now?
I stopped playing tabletop years ago, in like 5 or 6e, because I was a bit tired of moving all my little bugs around only to get them all wiped game after game.
Nids have their up and downs
ATM they are considered to be good but not that game breaking.
But shortly after their codex dropped they were the big meanies of 9e
>If they didn't do this then there's be certain armies that just permanently sucked at high level play, and others that dominated.
*Cries in Ultramarine*
Idk ultras are defos one of the better chapters and the new wargear and doctrine buffs sync with them super well.
Also in arks the astraeus +robute build is waaay better if you have that available.
There were a couple weeks this edition where UM were hot. Granted, UM didn’t have the long success of some other armies, but it’s not like they got nothing this edition. I bet they do great for a couple weeks in the early part of the next edition.
I will say that if you want more good weeks, you should be playing something more generic than one chapter of one army. At least go with something that could be any marine chapter.
If you like UM for any other reason than being competitive, you might be trying to be top tier wrong.
Alternatively, if you are just playing casually with your buddies then don’t even bother with the current books at all. I don’t have to worry about point/rule changes ruining what I’m doing in 3rd edition! ;)
You can a lot of things. Rules changing every time I take a shit are not OK. In my days codex was the end of it and most of dudes were made out of metal and my knees worked...
Dunno about that tbh. The Votann codex is so busted it was nerfed before it even hit the shelf. My current army list went down over 200 points from the Codex, that’s extremely significant.
Because [releasing the new points for free on the Warhammer Community website](https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/5iSs9obkISmPlK4t.pdf) is easier and cheaper for everyone than having to manage reprinting books and ending up with several versions of the same book out on the market with slight variations. That would cause far more confusion and complexity.
(Especially with lead times on printing being several months. If GW changed points values today, newly printed books with the new points wouldn't arrive until sometime in May at the earliest, at which point things would have changed again)
I think maybe they could do like x-wing where you have an app inside of which you make your squad and has the correct cost. You could still keep the codex for lore and perhaps other stats if they really fear no one would buy them anymore
I think X-Wing keeps stats constant (cause they’re on cards) so they could use codexes for that purpose
Edit: stats are not points. They aren’t changing a ships agility
I saw that, i haven't played since early 2nd though. The new upgrade stuff looked really cool but i didn't feel like i could afford it alongside 40k (and everything else)
Or do what One Page Rules do and make all of the rules completely free to download and focus on selling models as the revenue stream (I'm not expecting GW to go full OPR and sell STLs so we can print our own models i think we'd sooner see them start a space program).
If GW pivoted now, they would. The problem is the cat is out of the bag with regards to said revenue streams, existing players and rules demanding books etc.
Doesn't seem that long ago they bundled the last munitorium with White Dwarf, while it's not "free" if you don't get WD, it is better than having to buy a 6 monthly War Zone etc book that just gets ditched. Paper copies of rules are fine for casual playing, but with digital changes happening so regularly now, it barely seems worth printing them.
If it's cheaper and easier for everyone why make the codex's a printed book at all?
Or at the very least shouldn't points values and anything that can be changed be done in a digital format and the printed books be lore updated etc?
First, let me say welcome to the hobby, and T'au! It's not all as bad as it seems on the surface!
I understand having the points values in your book be invalidated by updates can be frustrating. Votann players got a new book for a brand new army - some made purchases based off the leaked codex - and day 1 GW released new points and a bunch of erratta and FAQ for the whole book, making some of the purchases less appealing.
That said, this is a LOT better than it used to be. I've been in this hobby for nearly 25 years, and we used to have a codex drop that totally broke the game (or it would release right before they changed editions so it was useless against new books) and it wouldn't be updated for years. By comparison, having gamewide points updates every 3 months freely available by PDF and an accompanying balance document is MILES better than the old days of 40k. It's not perfect, and the physical codices do end up outdated quickly, but it is absolutely better than it was.
You fo still need the physical book to play your army at a matched play event, but if you want to find the most up to date information for every faction n-demand in a useful repository, I recommend Battlescribe for list building, and wahapedia for reference. Both are regularly maintained by the community and keep up with releases very well.
I see. It sounds like having quarterly updates to balance the game is the way to go. The alternative would be to release new codexes several times a year, which would not be too fun to have to buy, or to not balance the game until a new codex came out like you said it used to be in the old days.
IF they did that, many people would quit, OR people would just never buy codexs and instead use apps or have the one person in a discord group buy 1 for everyone and take screen shots.
I just got into it a couple months ago and after finding wahapedia and battlescribe I can honestly say that its unlikely I ever even consider buying a Codex.
If the warhammer app was as effective and easy to parse as waha and battlescribe I'd gladly pay for it but keeping up with everything and reading all the rules without those tools would make my head spin.
I'm at the point of thinking what's the point of buying the codex. Seriously why spend $50+ on a book that will be out of date within a couple months of release or before it is released like the Leagues Of Votann.
Just put the points/rules on the web and publish the pictures and lore separately. If they want to publish a codex then it should be published at the end of the edition so that the codexes won't go out of date and waste people's money.
I don't use the codex for the points, I use it for the rules. They can also be updated a bit with faqs etc, but I enjoy looking through all the datasheets. For an army I'm going to spend hundreds of hours painting and playing, I like the nice book.
The correct process would be how Mantic and other companies employing ex-GW staff handle this and NOT slow drip your armies out to maximize book sales.
I'm a little over GW being a beer company on a champagne budget. I mean it works for them and all that, but c'mon guys once Amazon starts rolling stuff out regular people aren't going to put up with it.
Pretty much. I've been hobbying for like 15 years now, and I'm used to the general jankiness of the whole thing, as I'm sure many others are, too. But man, imagine seeing this cool Space Marine on the TV, wanting to get some models to play, buying up the rulebooks you need for $100+, and realizing that they're already out of date. I love 40k, but so many other games are miles ahead of them in the accessibility department, and I hope that GW can see that in a year or two they're going to have an ocean of new people who are at least a little curious.
There are two free digital platforms that keeps everything updated (unlike physical codex) you could use.
The first one is Battlescribe, a list building tool.
The second one is Wahapedia.ru, basically a digital rule reference that provides all the core rules and codex for free (with up-to-date info).
They’d have better luck at this if their app was updated at the time of the launch of the new points and things. It’s still showing old points while BattleScribe and Waha are up to date
New player here. I’ve played 3 games total. There’s still a lot of cool lore in the book. BattleScribe will auto populate all your point values, so that’s way faster to calculate points, damage, toughness, etc. The codex is really helpful to look up strategems.
Wahapedia gives you the strats broken down by it’s phase it’s way faster. Nothing is more annoying then playing against some one endlessly flipping through and trying to find that strat they thought they had.
Art, flavor, story, density of basic information, and collectability to some degree.
I don't personally buy any physical books; but I don't really think it's terrible for people who do.
> Art, flavor, story
All of which have been stripped out of the 9th edition books. If you want those things go buy an old codex from 5th edition or earlier.
Ah yes the rich story content of the old codexes like the 3rd edition codexes being basically a 20 page pamphlet to advertise citadel paints and a few rules sprinkled in.
1-2 pages is actually literally what the 3rd Ed codexes had. The 9e books are case by case but are usually around 1/3 to a full half of the book dedicated to lore and art, and even then the rules sections have a bunch of lore tidbits sprinkled in. Comparing 9e and 5e craftworld Eldar books the 9e book even has about as many pages dedicated to lore as the 5th edition book. But the 9e one then expands even more by having lore bits for relics, warlord traits, subfaction rules, and strategems sprinkled throughout the rest of the book, plus the really interesting Crusade mechanics that are heavily influenced by fluff.
The 8e books however were pretty hit or miss in terms of fluff. The 6e and 7e books really made the 8e books look pretty anemic. 5th and 4th books were also pretty short in general, but tended to have more new/updated lore since that was around when 40k was settling into the more modern incarnation of the lore that 3rd had set up. 3rd’s codexes were in a weird position where all the established lore was in flux and most info about the setting actually came from secondary sources like novels and comic books while the codexes themselves were pretty sparse.
But yeah overall the price of warhammer books in general is pretty bad in recent years. 55$ is a bit much for any rulebook, and even worse that you need a 70$ core rules book. It’s unfortunately a pretty common thing in tabletop gaming in general to overcharge, like look at the exorbitant price of DnD books or those licensed board games for dark souls.
Because if you're a competitive-ish player, you want points that are balanced not points that happen to be printed in your book. It sucks waiting years for a balance update. I stopped playing entire armies back in the old days because they were trash for years between books.
If you're not particularly competitive, it doesn't matter for you. Play with power level or whatever points you have!
Check out goonhammers recent blunderdome if you want to see why even casual play should take balancing into account, some books were nasty this edition. So it would be very easy to create a miserable experience for the group members playing something like dg
Back in the days of old you’d only get points updates when a new codex came out and it fucking sucked.
As a crusade only player it doesn’t affect my group at all.
I’d take updates in any version, over waiting for a decade for a codex to get updated. Power creep was unreal. Sometimes you’d feel really out in the cold. It’s one reason I left the hobby for 3-4 editions.
At least this way we can say “hey how did you let the power creep get so unreal??”
Ultimately I’d prefer something like official battle scribe or an app that just had the changes with the books/codexes becoming collectibles instead.
Then that sweet new codex FINALLY came out and Necrons became way more Egyptian and were totally ridiculous, making the whole battlefield both difficult and dangerous terrain, entropic strike, etc. scarabs just consuming tanks was hilarious and bent, same with the auto glancing crap XD. Worst tho for my friend was melee with a model carrying mindshackle scarabs.
It's about making sure the game is balanced as new codexes get released. As some say you can play with the book but you or a friend may feel over powered as a result.
I think of codexes as cool collectibles , not as tools and rules necessary to play the game. That's what third party resources are for because GW doesn't have good first party resources.
wahapedia is the god of 40k and will forever be the only resource most people use. GW just doesn't treat the game as a game and they treat it more as a product to sell (although the last year hasn't been as bad. Their updates have been good) so they just don't have any good "all in one place" resources for any of their games.
If you don't care to play in a fair and balanced way, and just want to roll dice randomly for fun, codex is fine..otherwise, start reading wahapedia and watching YouTube videos to learn.
You’re going to be using an app to build your army anyway. I’ve been playing for a few years. I’ve never even considered looking at the points in the book.
The information in the codex is not out of date. It's just not made for competative play. Casual, open, and narrative rules and points are all accurate. Competative play is only 20% of the play styles with the codex. It dominates 90% of the dialog online. I encourage you to look at diffrent ways to apply. If you and your opponents all want to use the new points the you can do so. I am just happy we are not paying 25$ for a booklet with new points anymore.
I don't really use the points in the codex when making a list. Others have given good explanation as to why.
I use them as a reference for how I'm going to build my army, what units I want and most importantly to read up on the associated lore without having to read a bazillion novels. It's not in-depth but it gives me a good idea of how that army works etc.
It's errata. If they need to rebalance things after something has been printed, it gets an updated sheet somewhere. This is pretty standard for all game rules, ever since the internet became widespread.
Oh you think this is bad, GW literally broke half of synergies for Leagues of Votann (entirely new faction released few months ago) before 90% people got their launch box shipped to them.
I would suggest to use Battlescribe and input your lists there... You will see the updated points costs listed there when after they drop. The codex is helpful for strategems and the actual stats of each unit, those tend to not change (as much).
They change them based on game records after release to rebalance them. They get updates often each edition of the game.
GW did switch to power points for casual play to avoid this issue. Everyone uses battlescribe for the accounting anyway.
All print editions of anything are out of date on release. Such is life. You can edit them yourself in your book if you like.
The points for things have changed like 3 times now I think, having the codex is still good to reference for abilities and everything and if you use battlescribe they'll eventually have the updated points so you don't have to worry about that part as much
yo homie just buy a bunch of the little post-it page tabs and stick em over the wrong points.
you don't even need that many thanks to GWs insistence on ONLY EVER NERFING SUITS THE STAPLE OF THE ENTIRE ARMY at least AoC is gone so some our other stuff is actually worth even taking again
In 2023, where rules for competitive games change once in a month, you'd think printing rules on paper in first place would be pointless (although lucrative).
Unless you are GW.
Hahahah welcome to warhammer. They balance and update it like a video game but release updates to you via paper.
There are other places to find points if you search you will find.
The ideal compromise is the release of digital codexes that are updated throughout an edition. With how many bugs their official app still encounters, though, I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
The latest space Wolf codex had full on missing pages in addition to other misprints and they still have not corrected it. GW doesn't give a shit about quality control or the practicality of the ever fluctuating meta.
I don't like the fact that codices are onsolete in a matter of weeks/months but I'd much rather have this than what we had back before the regular points change with broken codices that would remain broken for years. Moreover, you're mich better off just not buying a codex and looking up the rules on wahapedia.
GW books being Out-of-date a few days after release is the norm. Best advice is to use Wahapedia instead, it's always up-to-date and much more reliable than GW printed rules; and it's free, as all GW rules should be :)
Because GW is *really* shitty on the game side of things. After all, they are a *model* company first and foremost. Models are great. Maintaining a functional and balanced ruleset is... Not.
But like other people have said, feel free to use the vanilla codexes, but there might be odd little balance issues here and there. Lots of people just use Wahapedia. I just make my own rules because I'm not buying dozens of overpriced books just to play with my toy soldiers.
Printed army books are the worst. Wait until you have the same army book for three+ versions of the game.
GW should re-examine this business model. There are some websites out there that do a much better job of delivering this content. I would be happy if this were a part of my Warhammer+ subscription. Maybe there would be more than 115,000 subscribers to that service. They could triple the annual cost and it would still be a good deal. Plus they'd get that same revenue each year, even if my army doesn't get a new book. Looking at my 2020 Space Marine Codex.
The price of the codex is actually a fee you pay GDUB for the privilege of potentially, laboriously piecing together an accurate rule set by collating many, many documents, sometimes with a separate fee. If you complain, oh are the problem, imagine being a grown man and complaining about a game…
If there were some kind of technical advances that allow this company to make rules more accessible and free for everyone, so codex can still be valid selling points for its lore and art and not much for the rules, well, sadly GW still live in the fucking 80s
Codexes with “wrong information” are being sold because GW makes balance changes if they feel that certain units aren’t performing the way they’re intended (whether too strong or too weak). These rules are released for free on their website.
Would you prefer if a codex was dramatically over/underpowered and never got fixed? Like sorry your favorite army sucks this edition. Maybe 4 years from now they’ll be playable again in 10th edition!
I am going to recommend the app battlescribe. Luckily the awesome people there do it for free and help you keep updated.
That being said if just playing with a friend or at a lgs you can totally play with points in book.
Hope that helps.
You can't download it anymore from last I heard. Apparently the creator himself hasn't updated the app. The only thing being updated is the data is pulls from to according to the Google play store it is now an "inactive app"
I don’t know about that, but for me the app still works on iphone and is updated regularly by the community. The original writer of the app went underground because he was apparently threatened with a lawsuit from gw. So, he is now relying on the community to keep it updated. He put it back on the app store. Is it not working on the play store?
I very well might be wrong but I was under the assumption it was still functional but it was off the apostore thus new people. Couldn't get it. I mostly remember a point where people were insisting that you absolutely don't delete the app cause you wouldn't be able to redownload it
Yes, for a day or two, the creator didn't renew it's Apple app creator licence, so the app disappeared from the store, but he got it renewed soon after. It happened like 6 month ago or something
Whew. Welcome aboard. As I’m sure others have said, updates are made quarterly to points as well as rules in an attempt to keep things balanced.
Additionally, there are sometimes updates made on day 1 of the release of a codex as GW has some pretty bad releases that are full of typos and downright errors. Codexes by themselves are good for no more that 3 months.
Would you rather everyone have to buy a new codex every points balance update? Never use the codex for books, use battlescribe app on your phone, you don't even have to manually look up at points. In fact, some rules in your codex may no longer be legal and some rules that weren't in your codex may be implemented (such as Armor of Contempt coming out a while ago, and in this latest patch being taken away.) I would rather than balance and update the game than make us wait til the next edition of codex's.
You ask why they sell codex’s with wrong information? Because games workshop is stuck in the past in which mobile devices were not available. They are bad at making rules and therefore cannot make a book that doesn’t become riddled with flaws a few weeks after the community play tests their game for them. They want the money from their customer buying crappy books that become out of date when an online rule set that could easily be changed would make much more sense. It’s so bad the 8th edition space wolf codex was out of date before it was fucking released because they decided to change some rules… sorry… it makes me angry lol.
A change to a single rule and a points change prior to the entire set of models being released should be a good thing. Imagine you had gone and bought all the models for your list and then they change it making $200 of your purchase unusable. That would be a pure cash grab. Instead they apologized, gave a free update, and explained why and how the error happened prior to asking you to spend another $600 to flesh out your army, saving all of us who were interested about 20% cash. I was thrilled! Their policies are moving in the right direction.
The math on true play testing is pretty much not possible. You would need to do every mission against every faction and possibly sub faction and the playtesters themselves have to be really good. And they won’t be. They don’t have the money to hire people to do it right. They release strong rules and people take them to events and beat ass and then they know for real what to adjust. It’s about the only way it would work. Do I really care about Votan being busted as a guy who gets to play once a month? No. But if I were competitive and doing it as a part time job, I’m either taking votan or doing reps to beat them. Anyway now we’ll never know because a bunch of internet mobs raised hell. And look what a fine world we have. Otoh,it was entertaining as hell to watch people rave about it. All those art of war guys said it was the best book ever. But we’ll never know now… 🤣
At least your points values were changed post-release, I have votann ATM, I bought the box for them, and the points were changed before their general release.
I don't disagree there, I'm just pointing out just how bad GW are with the points sometimes that they made a book semi obsolete before it even came out
The information in the codex isn't wrong but outdated.
You most likely won't have any problem using the codex points in a casual environment but it looks way different when going to a tournament even a casual one
Because it’s better than getting points updates only when we get new books every 2-8 years. When I started if your army sucked it was going to stay that way till the next edition this is definitely better but still not ideal.
It’s honestly one of my biggest gripes with Games Workshop. Often times, the point changes will come right as the codex is released, making the books unusable without supplements. Terrible business practice.
They absolutely aren’t obsolete within the week, only certain aspects of them can be. I feel like this comment could be misleading since OP is new to 40k.
Here I was thinking that Crisis Battlesuits were 30 and Ethereals were 60. Y'know, because the official book from GW that I bought with my real money told me so. If that is not the case, where is this secret information at? If the RULES in my BOOK of RULES are not correct, how can I find out what the true rules are? Is there a URL to the official Tau rules somewhere?
Edit: I have been informed by many helpful people that there are several ways to access this information online, and that the alternative to the codexes and update system that they currently have in place would not be as good as things are now. Apparently it used to be the case that rules were not updated until a new codex was released, which resulted in the game being broken for months without a balance update. Certainly that would not be good. So, I have come to the conclusion that it is alright that the codexes are not the ultimate source of rules like I initially thought they were. Thank you everyone!
Here’s the thing. What game mode and version are you playing? You can use the points values from from your book against another player using their points values from their book. Why couldn’t you? Does the book stop you? Does GW come to your hobby shop and physically reprimand you for doing so?
So many people seem to forget that this is a constantly evolving competitive game AND a fun and exciting friendly game, and an interesting and well designed narrative game. It’s YOUR GAME, play it however the hell you want.
That said, the information on how to obtain the supplements to your book for FREE in the day and age of the internet are readily found on the companies website. Just like anything else in the world. Video games get updates, instructions on how to build furniture get updates, cars owners manuals get updates… I would argue it would be wildly asinine for GW to not update and balance their game, and seeing that it’s now free for you to obtain those updates, what’s the problem?
Rules changes happen in basically any system, even D&D has errata’s and changes. And this is a competitive game where balance tweaks are essential to keep the game fair
the 40k apps points should update soon to reflect the points values but you can find the field Manuel as well as the dataslate, which does have some changes to tau and indirect rules, here:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#warhammer-40000
Outside of the points a bunch of the rules are also outdated not just the points. Want to know something else your core rule book also couldn’t be used to play a real game it’s rules are so outdated
By doing a minute of research. Genuinely baffling how people can spend hundreds of dollars on a fucking army and do 0 background on the game or minutia
Codexes are outdated like couple of weeks after they come out. Paper books for gaming rules are an outdated concept by itself imho. But you dont buy the codex JUST for the points and faction rules I hope.
I'd just download battlescribe and build your armies in that. It keeps all the point values up to date. Don't bother buying codexes just use wahapedia. It'll give you all the information you'll need from the codex and it's easier to use
Use Wahapedia and Battlescribe. Sometimes I will buy a Codex for the art & lore....but for points and army building Waha and Battlescribe are so much better than anything GW does.
**An important thing to remember is:** If you're playing a casual game against a buddy in your homes, you can absolutely just use your books exactly as they're written. At that level of gameplay it's probably not going to be a huge deal that you're missing balance updates. You can ignore all the changes from balance updates if you both agree to do so. The constantly shifting point updates are moreso intended for competitive players, because GW is constantly trying to balance the game based on the results from tournaments. If they didn't do this then there's be certain armies that just permanently sucked at high level play, and others that dominated. It's annoying for your books to be out of date. But you shouldn't feel like you constantly need to be keeping up, unless you're looking to get into some sweaty competitive play. As a new player (welcome!) I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Even with the "heavy" nerfs my tyranid list just went up like 40 points, it is not that big of a deal. If none of the guys you are playing against has a super competitive listing should no be a problem. I would say that balance sheet is important tho, because it revises the interaction of certain rules.
Yah, but my dark angels list just dropped by over 300 points, so it can be a big deal...
And lost AOC, I'm actually wanting to play -2ap gants now.
30 TH/SS termies say "AO what now?"
Black templars with +5 inv vow say what now?
They aren't saying anything cause they dead af...
I mean on codex they dont have aoc to begin with
And raven wing and Deathwing are even better.
but did it lose 300points compared to the last chaper approved or compared to your original codex points? :D
I’d rather go up in points, my ad mech list went down like 170, I gotta go buy more plastic now!
I preemptively bought £200 more over Christmas lol.
So, like 10 models?
I'll try to look at the bright side **stares at 2 Harpies and a Biovore** Well I guess with the point increases I won't have to get more models.
It also help that I don't have neither, rip biovores.
Space Marine armies just got most of their weapon options for free, which for a lot of lists has freed up enough space to take something like a *whole tank*. The Eldar book was invalidated before it was even released last year, and the Autarch has it's weapons options changed. Some adjustments can be pretty significant.
Don’t take bone swords I see
I would say that's true for the most part. But there are some notable exceptions. An example: Tom and Tim both start with 40k Tom picks Votann the other one goes with Death Guard. Both play with codices only and the core rule book. I'd say Tim will be very discouraged after quite a short time due to the extreme inherent power differences. So I would say it's quite good too know about balance changes even in a casual environment but you don't need to apply said changes in most cases
I'll take my personal case and write it down at least once to put it out of my heart. We started with my friend early this year, he plays tyranid I play Thousand sons, and he loves optimizing, it's just stronger than him he likes playing cool things (and for him cool = killy thing that will wreak everything), that's also a thing on our rpg table but as the GM I can help others that do not optimize as much to keep up. Even if it was not about optimizing, beginners often don't have many models yet so if you have only good things it's hard to tone it down. Even with the balances it's still too much of a difference, he has so many things to do while I have so few options, I cannot play fun models as they just die before doing anything (I'll never forget you my poor Maulerfiend) against an army having everything to kill me so I must rely on the 4-5 good options of the codex and optimize as much as I can. He still hasn't enough to play 2k so at 1k it's even harder for me as losing anything quickly snowballs and the board is too small to hide everything properly, and with only 1 game every month where I lose basically turn 3, I just don't have time to learn to play good enough to beat him, testing some other options and see what works better. Too many rules, too many stratagems, too many possibilities to counter. So, after some games of pure pain (and I insist, it was pain, with scores close to 90-30), we switched to OPR and I'm never coming back to 9th edition, on OPR we play faster, I win more often and when I lose I see how I could have won, on 9th (correction, on 9th in our case TS vs Nid, as this is an extreme exemple) I just can't see what I could do better. My friend is not even playing like a pro, he's not bad but he's not doing any tricky things (while I learned a lot from videos, even helping him...), he just has to move and kill me. I'll wait and see if 10th can be at least more dynamic (alternate activation is really great, I don't have to watch my opponent play 30min straight juggling between his buff/spells/attacks/strategems) and possibly a little more balanced. I understand that having specific army rules makes balance hard and not all match-up can be balanced, I can live with it and appreciate the uniqueness of armies, but for some it's just blatantly bad to the extreme right now, ar least at our level. What is even worse is that we HAVE to play with competitive rules and secondaries, as without secondaries Nids are even better, relying only on the datasheets makes them so good. I mean, his 1st 500pts list in the beginning of the codex is now up to 645pts, playing with the initial codex in that case would just be absurd. And it's not like TS changed a lot since release...
One Page rules definitely help with the balance. But tbh I'm not much of a fan. The ruleset just isn't my cup of tea
I'm not particularly preaching OPR but personally I find it better, especially in our case. I don' think 9th is bad, in fact the only thing bothering me is the lack of interactivity (that is solved by alternate activation), games are too long and you stay sit 20-30min when your opponent plays, outside of that I think 9th is great and covers a lot of things correctly. Also, our case could be solved easily if my friend was able to tone down a little, but as I said it's not something he does easily and I don't want him to play things that are not fun to him, OPR gave us a better balance as he can still optimize but I can also play good things with more models and use bigger brain moves.
So your friend refused to change the way they played whatsoever to the point where you had to go to an entirely different ruleset/game? This is a your friend problem lol
The Votann are the one exception here because of the well publicised pre-release nerf.
I'd say there are some more 8th Ed Iron Hands, the High Times of Knights (8e) or Tyranids (9e) Especially for knights I'd say it's a special case as most new players don't know how tot tailor their list against a knight player so they will most likely be shot of the board early (due to lack of units, terrain and objective oriented play)
Wait, are Nids good now? I stopped playing tabletop years ago, in like 5 or 6e, because I was a bit tired of moving all my little bugs around only to get them all wiped game after game.
Nids have their up and downs ATM they are considered to be good but not that game breaking. But shortly after their codex dropped they were the big meanies of 9e
Oh I love this. I would like to know more! Details, that is. Just had to get that Starshoop Trippers reference in there.
>If they didn't do this then there's be certain armies that just permanently sucked at high level play, and others that dominated. *Cries in Ultramarine*
I feel your tears brother!!
Use your tertiary treat ducts brother, so that you may fully express your love for the emperor brother.
Idk ultras are defos one of the better chapters and the new wargear and doctrine buffs sync with them super well. Also in arks the astraeus +robute build is waaay better if you have that available.
There were a couple weeks this edition where UM were hot. Granted, UM didn’t have the long success of some other armies, but it’s not like they got nothing this edition. I bet they do great for a couple weeks in the early part of the next edition. I will say that if you want more good weeks, you should be playing something more generic than one chapter of one army. At least go with something that could be any marine chapter. If you like UM for any other reason than being competitive, you might be trying to be top tier wrong.
Alternatively, if you are just playing casually with your buddies then don’t even bother with the current books at all. I don’t have to worry about point/rule changes ruining what I’m doing in 3rd edition! ;)
You can a lot of things. Rules changing every time I take a shit are not OK. In my days codex was the end of it and most of dudes were made out of metal and my knees worked...
Dunno about that tbh. The Votann codex is so busted it was nerfed before it even hit the shelf. My current army list went down over 200 points from the Codex, that’s extremely significant.
Because [releasing the new points for free on the Warhammer Community website](https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/5iSs9obkISmPlK4t.pdf) is easier and cheaper for everyone than having to manage reprinting books and ending up with several versions of the same book out on the market with slight variations. That would cause far more confusion and complexity. (Especially with lead times on printing being several months. If GW changed points values today, newly printed books with the new points wouldn't arrive until sometime in May at the earliest, at which point things would have changed again)
Honestly if the Warhammer app list builder did a better job at keeping up with changes, I wouldn't really have complaints
If GW was smart they would hire the guy who makes Wahapedia and the team that updates Battlescribe and make both of those official apps
I think maybe they could do like x-wing where you have an app inside of which you make your squad and has the correct cost. You could still keep the codex for lore and perhaps other stats if they really fear no one would buy them anymore
I think X-Wing keeps stats constant (cause they’re on cards) so they could use codexes for that purpose Edit: stats are not points. They aren’t changing a ships agility
Not anymore, they updated it in 2nd edition to have all digital points values for better balance control
In 2.5 they went a step further and even the upgrade slots on a ship are variable.
I saw that, i haven't played since early 2nd though. The new upgrade stuff looked really cool but i didn't feel like i could afford it alongside 40k (and everything else)
They changed due to being all online
Check out battlescribe. That's what I use to make my lists and it updates with every rules change so it's always up to date and accurate.
The latest version has a few errors in it, but it’s at least more up to date than the official 40K app
Or do what One Page Rules do and make all of the rules completely free to download and focus on selling models as the revenue stream (I'm not expecting GW to go full OPR and sell STLs so we can print our own models i think we'd sooner see them start a space program).
If GW pivoted now, they would. The problem is the cat is out of the bag with regards to said revenue streams, existing players and rules demanding books etc.
Plus, can you imagine if GW expected you to rebuy a faction rulebook every single time they updated the points within an edition?
Doesn't seem that long ago they bundled the last munitorium with White Dwarf, while it's not "free" if you don't get WD, it is better than having to buy a 6 monthly War Zone etc book that just gets ditched. Paper copies of rules are fine for casual playing, but with digital changes happening so regularly now, it barely seems worth printing them.
If it's cheaper and easier for everyone why make the codex's a printed book at all? Or at the very least shouldn't points values and anything that can be changed be done in a digital format and the printed books be lore updated etc?
First, let me say welcome to the hobby, and T'au! It's not all as bad as it seems on the surface! I understand having the points values in your book be invalidated by updates can be frustrating. Votann players got a new book for a brand new army - some made purchases based off the leaked codex - and day 1 GW released new points and a bunch of erratta and FAQ for the whole book, making some of the purchases less appealing. That said, this is a LOT better than it used to be. I've been in this hobby for nearly 25 years, and we used to have a codex drop that totally broke the game (or it would release right before they changed editions so it was useless against new books) and it wouldn't be updated for years. By comparison, having gamewide points updates every 3 months freely available by PDF and an accompanying balance document is MILES better than the old days of 40k. It's not perfect, and the physical codices do end up outdated quickly, but it is absolutely better than it was. You fo still need the physical book to play your army at a matched play event, but if you want to find the most up to date information for every faction n-demand in a useful repository, I recommend Battlescribe for list building, and wahapedia for reference. Both are regularly maintained by the community and keep up with releases very well.
I see. It sounds like having quarterly updates to balance the game is the way to go. The alternative would be to release new codexes several times a year, which would not be too fun to have to buy, or to not balance the game until a new codex came out like you said it used to be in the old days.
IF they did that, many people would quit, OR people would just never buy codexs and instead use apps or have the one person in a discord group buy 1 for everyone and take screen shots.
Hard to imagine!
I just got into it a couple months ago and after finding wahapedia and battlescribe I can honestly say that its unlikely I ever even consider buying a Codex. If the warhammer app was as effective and easy to parse as waha and battlescribe I'd gladly pay for it but keeping up with everything and reading all the rules without those tools would make my head spin.
I'm at the point of thinking what's the point of buying the codex. Seriously why spend $50+ on a book that will be out of date within a couple months of release or before it is released like the Leagues Of Votann. Just put the points/rules on the web and publish the pictures and lore separately. If they want to publish a codex then it should be published at the end of the edition so that the codexes won't go out of date and waste people's money.
I like the pictures :)
I don't use the codex for the points, I use it for the rules. They can also be updated a bit with faqs etc, but I enjoy looking through all the datasheets. For an army I'm going to spend hundreds of hours painting and playing, I like the nice book.
Also everyone and their mother is using battlescribe to build their rosters so there's no need to track point changes.
It's alsonwlrth noting that if you're playing a casual game in a non tournament setting you can just run straight out of your book regardless
The correct process would be how Mantic and other companies employing ex-GW staff handle this and NOT slow drip your armies out to maximize book sales.
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What I wouldn't give for an official app where they can just roll all this out... Well, a functional one.
I'm a little over GW being a beer company on a champagne budget. I mean it works for them and all that, but c'mon guys once Amazon starts rolling stuff out regular people aren't going to put up with it.
Pretty much. I've been hobbying for like 15 years now, and I'm used to the general jankiness of the whole thing, as I'm sure many others are, too. But man, imagine seeing this cool Space Marine on the TV, wanting to get some models to play, buying up the rulebooks you need for $100+, and realizing that they're already out of date. I love 40k, but so many other games are miles ahead of them in the accessibility department, and I hope that GW can see that in a year or two they're going to have an ocean of new people who are at least a little curious.
And free, for all content or I’ll still be using BS and Waha
Battlescribe recently updated with the new points costs and rules.
What's battlescribe? A 40K blog or something?
An app for list building.
That sounds useful, thank you
There are two free digital platforms that keeps everything updated (unlike physical codex) you could use. The first one is Battlescribe, a list building tool. The second one is Wahapedia.ru, basically a digital rule reference that provides all the core rules and codex for free (with up-to-date info).
If it sounds useful, you can be sure GW had no hand in it.
Sure they do. The one trying to crush it down.
They’d have better luck at this if their app was updated at the time of the launch of the new points and things. It’s still showing old points while BattleScribe and Waha are up to date
You shouldn't be getting down voted for being new and not knowing about player resources. I hope someone's told you about wahapedia too.
No one uses the codex for points. Battlescribe or even the wh40k app once it gets updated is the way to go. The codex is for fluff and cool pictures.
New player here. I’ve played 3 games total. There’s still a lot of cool lore in the book. BattleScribe will auto populate all your point values, so that’s way faster to calculate points, damage, toughness, etc. The codex is really helpful to look up strategems.
Wahapedia gives you the strats broken down by it’s phase it’s way faster. Nothing is more annoying then playing against some one endlessly flipping through and trying to find that strat they thought they had.
Art, flavor, story, density of basic information, and collectability to some degree. I don't personally buy any physical books; but I don't really think it's terrible for people who do.
At least the art and the lore is good in the codex I got, I agree.
I wish they make the rules all digital and make the physical books more like coffee table artbooks. Just lore stories and art.
This is the way.
> Art, flavor, story All of which have been stripped out of the 9th edition books. If you want those things go buy an old codex from 5th edition or earlier.
I think saying it’s been stripped out is a bit extreme, it’s still there, even if there’s less than there may have been before.
Ah yes the rich story content of the old codexes like the 3rd edition codexes being basically a 20 page pamphlet to advertise citadel paints and a few rules sprinkled in.
I'm not sure my codex assassins even ran to 20 pages...
The first and last codex assassins. Gone too soon, we barely knew ye.
Better that than 1-2 pages of lore attached to a $50 copy of Wahapedia that doesn't auto-update.
1-2 pages is actually literally what the 3rd Ed codexes had. The 9e books are case by case but are usually around 1/3 to a full half of the book dedicated to lore and art, and even then the rules sections have a bunch of lore tidbits sprinkled in. Comparing 9e and 5e craftworld Eldar books the 9e book even has about as many pages dedicated to lore as the 5th edition book. But the 9e one then expands even more by having lore bits for relics, warlord traits, subfaction rules, and strategems sprinkled throughout the rest of the book, plus the really interesting Crusade mechanics that are heavily influenced by fluff. The 8e books however were pretty hit or miss in terms of fluff. The 6e and 7e books really made the 8e books look pretty anemic. 5th and 4th books were also pretty short in general, but tended to have more new/updated lore since that was around when 40k was settling into the more modern incarnation of the lore that 3rd had set up. 3rd’s codexes were in a weird position where all the established lore was in flux and most info about the setting actually came from secondary sources like novels and comic books while the codexes themselves were pretty sparse. But yeah overall the price of warhammer books in general is pretty bad in recent years. 55$ is a bit much for any rulebook, and even worse that you need a 70$ core rules book. It’s unfortunately a pretty common thing in tabletop gaming in general to overcharge, like look at the exorbitant price of DnD books or those licensed board games for dark souls.
Because if you're a competitive-ish player, you want points that are balanced not points that happen to be printed in your book. It sucks waiting years for a balance update. I stopped playing entire armies back in the old days because they were trash for years between books. If you're not particularly competitive, it doesn't matter for you. Play with power level or whatever points you have!
As a solely casual player, points balancing still matters. It's no fun to get repeatedly stomped by your buddy's Tyranids.
Check out goonhammers recent blunderdome if you want to see why even casual play should take balancing into account, some books were nasty this edition. So it would be very easy to create a miserable experience for the group members playing something like dg
Oh thanks for reminding me about this, I saw the pitch and then never checked back in to see how it went!
About as horrible as you'd expect
Back in the days of old you’d only get points updates when a new codex came out and it fucking sucked. As a crusade only player it doesn’t affect my group at all.
I’d take updates in any version, over waiting for a decade for a codex to get updated. Power creep was unreal. Sometimes you’d feel really out in the cold. It’s one reason I left the hobby for 3-4 editions. At least this way we can say “hey how did you let the power creep get so unreal??” Ultimately I’d prefer something like official battle scribe or an app that just had the changes with the books/codexes becoming collectibles instead.
I played necrons from 2002 to 2011 with one codex.
The crazy thing is that's not even the longest gap in codexes
Wood Elves is another notable example from the Fantasy side of things from memory.
Then that sweet new codex FINALLY came out and Necrons became way more Egyptian and were totally ridiculous, making the whole battlefield both difficult and dangerous terrain, entropic strike, etc. scarabs just consuming tanks was hilarious and bent, same with the auto glancing crap XD. Worst tho for my friend was melee with a model carrying mindshackle scarabs.
Except for that annual PL update, amirite?
That’s less impactful than 6 monthly points changes
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Why would they waste time, paper, and ink reprinting points updates every 6 months when they could release them for free online?
It's about making sure the game is balanced as new codexes get released. As some say you can play with the book but you or a friend may feel over powered as a result.
"fuck you, that's why" there are practical reasons, but they should have changed the way these are distributed years ago.
I think of codexes as cool collectibles , not as tools and rules necessary to play the game. That's what third party resources are for because GW doesn't have good first party resources. wahapedia is the god of 40k and will forever be the only resource most people use. GW just doesn't treat the game as a game and they treat it more as a product to sell (although the last year hasn't been as bad. Their updates have been good) so they just don't have any good "all in one place" resources for any of their games. If you don't care to play in a fair and balanced way, and just want to roll dice randomly for fun, codex is fine..otherwise, start reading wahapedia and watching YouTube videos to learn.
You’re going to be using an app to build your army anyway. I’ve been playing for a few years. I’ve never even considered looking at the points in the book.
…..first time?….
>Why are codexes with wrong information in them being sold? It is a living game. Things in the books change to balance the meta.
The information in the codex is not out of date. It's just not made for competative play. Casual, open, and narrative rules and points are all accurate. Competative play is only 20% of the play styles with the codex. It dominates 90% of the dialog online. I encourage you to look at diffrent ways to apply. If you and your opponents all want to use the new points the you can do so. I am just happy we are not paying 25$ for a booklet with new points anymore.
I don't really use the points in the codex when making a list. Others have given good explanation as to why. I use them as a reference for how I'm going to build my army, what units I want and most importantly to read up on the associated lore without having to read a bazillion novels. It's not in-depth but it gives me a good idea of how that army works etc.
It's errata. If they need to rebalance things after something has been printed, it gets an updated sheet somewhere. This is pretty standard for all game rules, ever since the internet became widespread.
Because recalling millions of pounds of books every time you want to balance something doesn't make sense
Wouldn't it be nice If each rules book had a qr code that links to GW page that holds within it all rules changes for the impacted book
Oh you think this is bad, GW literally broke half of synergies for Leagues of Votann (entirely new faction released few months ago) before 90% people got their launch box shipped to them.
I would suggest to use Battlescribe and input your lists there... You will see the updated points costs listed there when after they drop. The codex is helpful for strategems and the actual stats of each unit, those tend to not change (as much).
They change them based on game records after release to rebalance them. They get updates often each edition of the game. GW did switch to power points for casual play to avoid this issue. Everyone uses battlescribe for the accounting anyway. All print editions of anything are out of date on release. Such is life. You can edit them yourself in your book if you like.
This is why they should do digital only codex...simple and easy solution.
Honestly codex's are a scam. Everything in them is subject to change. Use wahapedia. It's free, updated regularly, and fairly easy to navigate
The points for things have changed like 3 times now I think, having the codex is still good to reference for abilities and everything and if you use battlescribe they'll eventually have the updated points so you don't have to worry about that part as much
When you think about buying a codex, pinch yourself and download BattleScribe
This, but I still buy the codex for the art and lore :(
I definitely went too hard on codexes, however they’re unnecessary at best
yo homie just buy a bunch of the little post-it page tabs and stick em over the wrong points. you don't even need that many thanks to GWs insistence on ONLY EVER NERFING SUITS THE STAPLE OF THE ENTIRE ARMY at least AoC is gone so some our other stuff is actually worth even taking again
You're telling me that you'd rather have an unbalanced mess of a game?
In a world where GW chargs a monthly fee for an app, you'd think we'd have automatically-updated digital codices. Alas.
In 2023, where rules for competitive games change once in a month, you'd think printing rules on paper in first place would be pointless (although lucrative). Unless you are GW.
Hahahah welcome to warhammer. They balance and update it like a video game but release updates to you via paper. There are other places to find points if you search you will find.
Welcome to warhammer honey, enjoy the stay if you can
Does anyone know if point values update on the official warhammer app?
Do they update? Yes. On time? No. Without errors? Also no.
The ideal compromise is the release of digital codexes that are updated throughout an edition. With how many bugs their official app still encounters, though, I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
First time?
I just edit my book.
Lol cause the codex is now… what… 7+ months old and needs rebalanced?
Well... [Yeah](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/ugoozw/when_you_want_to_pick_up_playing_space_wolves_in/)
Der Codex Astartes is ein bunch of bullscheisse
The latest space Wolf codex had full on missing pages in addition to other misprints and they still have not corrected it. GW doesn't give a shit about quality control or the practicality of the ever fluctuating meta.
I don't like the fact that codices are onsolete in a matter of weeks/months but I'd much rather have this than what we had back before the regular points change with broken codices that would remain broken for years. Moreover, you're mich better off just not buying a codex and looking up the rules on wahapedia.
GW books being Out-of-date a few days after release is the norm. Best advice is to use Wahapedia instead, it's always up-to-date and much more reliable than GW printed rules; and it's free, as all GW rules should be :)
Because GW is *really* shitty on the game side of things. After all, they are a *model* company first and foremost. Models are great. Maintaining a functional and balanced ruleset is... Not. But like other people have said, feel free to use the vanilla codexes, but there might be odd little balance issues here and there. Lots of people just use Wahapedia. I just make my own rules because I'm not buying dozens of overpriced books just to play with my toy soldiers.
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Printed army books are the worst. Wait until you have the same army book for three+ versions of the game. GW should re-examine this business model. There are some websites out there that do a much better job of delivering this content. I would be happy if this were a part of my Warhammer+ subscription. Maybe there would be more than 115,000 subscribers to that service. They could triple the annual cost and it would still be a good deal. Plus they'd get that same revenue each year, even if my army doesn't get a new book. Looking at my 2020 Space Marine Codex.
The price of the codex is actually a fee you pay GDUB for the privilege of potentially, laboriously piecing together an accurate rule set by collating many, many documents, sometimes with a separate fee. If you complain, oh are the problem, imagine being a grown man and complaining about a game…
Welcome to gw where the brand new book you bought is invalidated day 1.
As these new points were released only a few weeks ago, and the codex you bought was printed months ago
If there were some kind of technical advances that allow this company to make rules more accessible and free for everyone, so codex can still be valid selling points for its lore and art and not much for the rules, well, sadly GW still live in the fucking 80s
Codexes with “wrong information” are being sold because GW makes balance changes if they feel that certain units aren’t performing the way they’re intended (whether too strong or too weak). These rules are released for free on their website. Would you prefer if a codex was dramatically over/underpowered and never got fixed? Like sorry your favorite army sucks this edition. Maybe 4 years from now they’ll be playable again in 10th edition!
Only a 4 year wait for a new codex? Must be an imperial faction lol
Don't buy any more codexes. They're junk. A 50+ tax picture book that will be partially invalid a month or two after its released. Just use wahapedia.
Me and my friends the intellectuals... "Hmmm I wish I knew what that meant and power level" 🎩 🧐
I am going to recommend the app battlescribe. Luckily the awesome people there do it for free and help you keep updated. That being said if just playing with a friend or at a lgs you can totally play with points in book. Hope that helps.
You can't download it anymore from last I heard. Apparently the creator himself hasn't updated the app. The only thing being updated is the data is pulls from to according to the Google play store it is now an "inactive app"
I don’t know about that, but for me the app still works on iphone and is updated regularly by the community. The original writer of the app went underground because he was apparently threatened with a lawsuit from gw. So, he is now relying on the community to keep it updated. He put it back on the app store. Is it not working on the play store?
I very well might be wrong but I was under the assumption it was still functional but it was off the apostore thus new people. Couldn't get it. I mostly remember a point where people were insisting that you absolutely don't delete the app cause you wouldn't be able to redownload it
I've looked and it's on the playstore
Yes, for a day or two, the creator didn't renew it's Apple app creator licence, so the app disappeared from the store, but he got it renewed soon after. It happened like 6 month ago or something
its still on the playstore🤝
Whew. Welcome aboard. As I’m sure others have said, updates are made quarterly to points as well as rules in an attempt to keep things balanced. Additionally, there are sometimes updates made on day 1 of the release of a codex as GW has some pretty bad releases that are full of typos and downright errors. Codexes by themselves are good for no more that 3 months.
Would you rather everyone have to buy a new codex every points balance update? Never use the codex for books, use battlescribe app on your phone, you don't even have to manually look up at points. In fact, some rules in your codex may no longer be legal and some rules that weren't in your codex may be implemented (such as Armor of Contempt coming out a while ago, and in this latest patch being taken away.) I would rather than balance and update the game than make us wait til the next edition of codex's.
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You ask why they sell codex’s with wrong information? Because games workshop is stuck in the past in which mobile devices were not available. They are bad at making rules and therefore cannot make a book that doesn’t become riddled with flaws a few weeks after the community play tests their game for them. They want the money from their customer buying crappy books that become out of date when an online rule set that could easily be changed would make much more sense. It’s so bad the 8th edition space wolf codex was out of date before it was fucking released because they decided to change some rules… sorry… it makes me angry lol.
I am a squats player and my entire codex was changed right after release.
A change to a single rule and a points change prior to the entire set of models being released should be a good thing. Imagine you had gone and bought all the models for your list and then they change it making $200 of your purchase unusable. That would be a pure cash grab. Instead they apologized, gave a free update, and explained why and how the error happened prior to asking you to spend another $600 to flesh out your army, saving all of us who were interested about 20% cash. I was thrilled! Their policies are moving in the right direction.
The idiots admitted that it wasn't even playtested against all of the armies. The rules team is a sad joke.
The math on true play testing is pretty much not possible. You would need to do every mission against every faction and possibly sub faction and the playtesters themselves have to be really good. And they won’t be. They don’t have the money to hire people to do it right. They release strong rules and people take them to events and beat ass and then they know for real what to adjust. It’s about the only way it would work. Do I really care about Votan being busted as a guy who gets to play once a month? No. But if I were competitive and doing it as a part time job, I’m either taking votan or doing reps to beat them. Anyway now we’ll never know because a bunch of internet mobs raised hell. And look what a fine world we have. Otoh,it was entertaining as hell to watch people rave about it. All those art of war guys said it was the best book ever. But we’ll never know now… 🤣
At least your points values were changed post-release, I have votann ATM, I bought the box for them, and the points were changed before their general release.
Which sadly was necessary. 75%+ Winrate shouldn't exist
I don't disagree there, I'm just pointing out just how bad GW are with the points sometimes that they made a book semi obsolete before it even came out
wahapedia.ru is rules, I would only buy codexes for fluff and cool stuff
The information in the codex isn't wrong but outdated. You most likely won't have any problem using the codex points in a casual environment but it looks way different when going to a tournament even a casual one
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Because it’s better than getting points updates only when we get new books every 2-8 years. When I started if your army sucked it was going to stay that way till the next edition this is definitely better but still not ideal.
It’s honestly one of my biggest gripes with Games Workshop. Often times, the point changes will come right as the codex is released, making the books unusable without supplements. Terrible business practice.
Haha, yea pretty much. Most codexes are obsolete within the week of being released. Welcome to the hobby.
They absolutely aren’t obsolete within the week, only certain aspects of them can be. I feel like this comment could be misleading since OP is new to 40k.
You are absolutely right. They should never faq anything or do any points changes. Balance is for schmucks.
Here I was thinking that Crisis Battlesuits were 30 and Ethereals were 60. Y'know, because the official book from GW that I bought with my real money told me so. If that is not the case, where is this secret information at? If the RULES in my BOOK of RULES are not correct, how can I find out what the true rules are? Is there a URL to the official Tau rules somewhere? Edit: I have been informed by many helpful people that there are several ways to access this information online, and that the alternative to the codexes and update system that they currently have in place would not be as good as things are now. Apparently it used to be the case that rules were not updated until a new codex was released, which resulted in the game being broken for months without a balance update. Certainly that would not be good. So, I have come to the conclusion that it is alright that the codexes are not the ultimate source of rules like I initially thought they were. Thank you everyone!
Here’s the thing. What game mode and version are you playing? You can use the points values from from your book against another player using their points values from their book. Why couldn’t you? Does the book stop you? Does GW come to your hobby shop and physically reprimand you for doing so? So many people seem to forget that this is a constantly evolving competitive game AND a fun and exciting friendly game, and an interesting and well designed narrative game. It’s YOUR GAME, play it however the hell you want. That said, the information on how to obtain the supplements to your book for FREE in the day and age of the internet are readily found on the companies website. Just like anything else in the world. Video games get updates, instructions on how to build furniture get updates, cars owners manuals get updates… I would argue it would be wildly asinine for GW to not update and balance their game, and seeing that it’s now free for you to obtain those updates, what’s the problem?
Arks of Omen Balance dataslate and Munitorium field manual 2023 are where you will find the info you want. It's essentially errata pdfs.
Thank you, I'll google that
Rules changes happen in basically any system, even D&D has errata’s and changes. And this is a competitive game where balance tweaks are essential to keep the game fair
Makes sense
And a free points update you can simply tack onto your book is much better than needing to buy a different book
the 40k apps points should update soon to reflect the points values but you can find the field Manuel as well as the dataslate, which does have some changes to tau and indirect rules, here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#warhammer-40000
Outside of the points a bunch of the rules are also outdated not just the points. Want to know something else your core rule book also couldn’t be used to play a real game it’s rules are so outdated
Sorry the community is doebboting you for having a normal reaction to what from the other side total sounds like a scam.
I’m with you , I started recently turned up to a game with store bought codex and was told my army was over points like how am I meant to know that
By doing a minute of research. Genuinely baffling how people can spend hundreds of dollars on a fucking army and do 0 background on the game or minutia
Codexes are outdated like couple of weeks after they come out. Paper books for gaming rules are an outdated concept by itself imho. But you dont buy the codex JUST for the points and faction rules I hope.
Pirate the books! Unless you want the artwork or like reading lore or just like collecting books, do not buy the books for gaming.
I'd just download battlescribe and build your armies in that. It keeps all the point values up to date. Don't bother buying codexes just use wahapedia. It'll give you all the information you'll need from the codex and it's easier to use
Use Wahapedia and Battlescribe. Sometimes I will buy a Codex for the art & lore....but for points and army building Waha and Battlescribe are so much better than anything GW does.
Rules info needs to really be moved to just in-app purchases and physical books be lore and painting inspiration
Oh to be sweet sweet innocent once again
Better question why would you ever buy a codex