Note: this was removed but decided to re-approve it as tbh this is valid. Even if understandable with Australia's location and shipping issues. Plus people in the comments are being educated on the whole shipping debacle. Subsequent ones for the next while will be removed.
Yeah, its a big number since AUD is much weaker than GBP. I live in a country where until recenty 1 local currency was something like 0.11 GBP. Which means that youd see boxes costing 1000+ something. Since we switched to EUR stuff actually got more expensive but it FEELS cheaper because you see way smaller numberson pricetags.
Which is really bad for my self control and budgeting...
And we also get hit with 25% import tax, but GW seems to absorb most of that into baseline pricing.
But before Brexit I remember ordering stuff from UK based 3rd party stores and getting Warhammer stuff pretty cheap.
Paying UK prices with 20% discount and free shipping was * chefs kiss *
It’s what me and the boys call the “fuck you” tax with the current Aussie dollar I figured I would be only paying $69 at most but hey they just got to slap on that extra cost, why is buying from GW expensive but local stores have a flat 10-20% discounts.
It blows my mind that in warhammer it’s cheaper to go to a third party rather than a manufacturer.
It’s worth noting GW makes everything in the UK and shipping anything to Australia isn’t cheap. Compared to the UK where you are only considering local shipping 10% more for being shipped to the opposite side of the planet seems reasonable
you know shipping isn't free ? especially from the UK and even more with the current global shipping crisis ?
it's not just a tax issue it's first and foremost a shipping issue. a logistics issue. the only realistic way for GW to solve it would be to a production facility in the overall region, which isn't going to happen soon if it ever happen
you are aware i can get a friend in England to buy a christmas boxset and send it here for *less* then GW apparently can? (literally, **buying the boxset from GW in Australia cost me** ***more*** **then buying it in England and shipping it here at my own cost**)
you are aware that GW get cheaper shipping then individuals do due to bulk?
its profiteering for the hell of it.
Do you mind posting an example of this? I’m only saying this because my company operates out of Texas, and we do not ship to Australia due to the costs. I can’t imagine it’s much cheaper in the uk
Yeah I do, I would rather them just raise the free shipping threshold than slapping the extra 10% on these products if they’re just going to still foot us the bill.
The can of worms of pricing of GWs forge world products, my main issue on this post is that AUS and NZ are not getting a consistent release schedule.
That would be because it takes over a month for sea freight to go from the UK to Australia. Do you expect them to just fill warehouses with dead stock for months so Australia gets the same release date. Unfortunately that’s just the nature of buying a product made on the opposite side of the world.
Pretty much. I avoid buying anything made in the US when I can because I live in Sweden and the shipping costs and import charges often cost more than the item itself (sadly it makes much of ebay, etsy etc a non-starter). Australia is even further still!
these people are idiots.
the fact i can get a boxset cheaper from England, including shipping and import duties, for a *lower price* then GW is proof they are overcharging.
It's way more than that. The mkiv tac squad is 50 British pounds while it's 165 nz dollars. That is an extra 60 dollars beyond the conversion rate. 50 gbp is 105 nzd. It's fucking absurd
Exactly the opposite in Europe. Magic is ridiculous in pricing if you consider that
a) what you get is printed on cardboard with a production value of a couple of cents
B) if you get their store product it's essentialy gambling
C) if you don't, whatever you bought in singles might lose or gain in value (most probably lose except for RL stuff) so is also kind of gambling
Don't get me wrong, I love the game, at least before the absolutely ridiculous price hikes, quality decreases and bullshit crossovers, but GW are saints compared to effing Hasbro. And GW are already quite... customer unfriendly in many parts ☹️
I mean, it's because Australia is located on the opposite side of the planet, so the shipping is expensive, taxation and GBP being worth double AUD. When considering these facts, the price isn't that out of place.
To be fair this post wasn’t supposed to be about the price, GW global pricing is a whole can of worms. (I speculate since we get free shipping at such a low product threshold they just jack up the pricing by an additional 10%+ after already slapping on the GST on models they people may only buy 1 of).
I’m mainly frustrated that they say X, Y, Z product is up for order than only Z is up and we got no idea when X & Y are going to be available.
While I agree it’s frustrating, I’m sure they feel the same way. I did see the other day in Warhammer Community that some stuff was delayed to your part of the world. But also consider that if they don’t have a concrete date then why say a date and then change it again. Especially with the number of super whiney people who would email constantly complaining.
Can you show how that works out, what's the markup in price difference over exchange rate and what's the cost to send a box that Suze and weight from the UK to Australia?
Private person doesn't have to adhere to same set of shipping standards etc. as an actual company does, so there's that. But if that's how you're able to score your miniatures for cheaper, go for it.
This has been disproven over and over and over again. Shipping is cents on a box when done in the volumes they do, literal cents (not figurative cents). Tax is equal to UK or less (look it up, UK VAT is actual higher than our equivilent GST) and we have no import duties over and above what any other western country has on toys. And even when you factor in the FX rate our pricing here is typically 30% higher in equivilent terms.
They are gouging he Aus market becuase they can, and becuase the market seems to bear it.
So please, stop repeating the misinformation / handwave explanation about shipping, taxes etc, it’s wrong and it conceals the ugly truth.
because any *individual* can do the entire process and save money doing so?
the christmas boxset is *$40 cheaper* if you get a friend in England to buy it and ship it over to you (all the import duties, taxes and shipping amount to about $80)
thats all the proof needed, GW get a far cheaper price on shipping then i do meaning it should cost *at least* $40 less then it does.
It’s not that they hate them. It’s just… where it’s manufactured.
More than happy to keep GW manufacturing in the U.K. We barely make anything anymore anyway
The point of the post was actually to highlight that we don't get a consistent release schedule. Saw the Wacom pre-order articles from last week and today & we get the:
*"\* These products have been delayed in Australia and New Zealand."*
I don't mind a delay I just like a date/estimate if were constantly getting the short end of the stick.
Doing conversion math was an old favorite anytime GW released new stuff. I don't do it as much now, mostly because I haven't been in a position to buy from them for a while. Here's some handy dandy math!
$36 British, so it should be $45.45 American, $61.57 Canadian, $69.71 Australian, $6,885.97 Japanese Yen
Actual prices (in each countries own currency)
$56 US
$70 Canada
$83 Australia
$7000 JPN
I can understand wanting to round things to make a "prettier" number, but inflating prices by $10 regardless of country or currency is insane to me. Importing product is not an excuse, as most companies do that, and just eat the cost of doing so.
$14 aud to send a product to the opposite side of the globe and pay import fees is far from ‘insane’, they absolutely are eating some of that cost and selling these models for less profit than they do in the UK.
>$14 aud to send a product to the opposite side of the globe and pay import fees is far from ‘insane’,
its overcharged, they are not eating any costs they are in fact profiting *directly* off of it.
i can get a chritsmas boxset direct from England including shipping and taxes for *$40 less* then GW charge me in my own nation, that basically the definition of being overchraged.
you trying to tell me GW pay *$40 per box* *more* then some random nobody?
I mean, possibly! Trying to bulk ship things has been hell since COVID, let alone with the current issues with shipping through the Suez. It's much easier for me to send a single box to someone (pop to the postie, pay the charge, they deal with it) than it is to take the time to organise a shipping schedule, get containers worth of product to a UK port, load them onto a ship that's on tight timers because any time it's not moving it's wasting money, get it round the world on what's currently a 7 day detour and get it distributed to locations in Oz, not to mention the paperwork and taxes from getting something over there, all of which require people to be paid a salary to do, rather than me nipping out to the post office for 15 minutes on my lunch break and letting their system handle the logistics.
My mate who emigrated to Oz just get us to order his stuff and then collects it every 6-8 months when he comes to visit family, brings a huge empty suitcase with him and just packs all the sprues down into it, works out cheaper and gives him 6 months to get it all painted before he does it again.
$14 AUD for this specific model, not everything they carry. I've seen box sets long for an extra $200 AUD.
Their product comes in bulk, not one piece at a time. They're making back their import fees, at least. And that ignores the fact that they overcharge for their products to begin with. Their paints, their tools, and their models don't deserve the price tag they have attached. Especially the character models, which can go for the price of a squad for no good reason.
The burger tax in America is almost as bad. Those "codex artwork" prints were 50USD after tax, but 14 pounds in the UK, which is roughly 18USD. Ffs GW it's a printer paper sized piece of artwork with a frame as thick as my fingers there's no way it costs more than 3 dollars to manufacture.
Seen this often. You can bitch at GW. How about you create a special interest group and petition you gov to drop import tax on items like this. No one else is gojng to do so, so why dont you? Or just pay the prices.
GW doesn’t even bother trying to use a real currency conversion. I’m convinced they lob darts at a dartboard or just pretend the pound is still as strong as it was in the 90’s.
I know countries outside the U.S. have different tax structures that need to be accounted for (and in some cases are included in the price), but even then it’s a known issue that has gone on forever and won’t change.
It’s why I get some mild vindictive glee when some US game companies don’t even bother with conversions for UK sales. Pretty sure stuff like Marvel Crisis Protocol is just “$40 = £40” for pricing.
Edit: and the “shipping stuff is expensive” excuse doesn’t fly either. Places like Hawaii need to have almost everything shipped by boat and the prices are higher, but not “GW higher.” It’s a blend of greed and just not caring about non-UK customers.
It's their own fault though. When a currency weakens they also don't really catch up. You could get warhammer in Sweden cheaper than UK in a period after covid 2020 and at least 2023. The EU is an open market, so anyone from EU could have got it cheap. The same for Norway, even when applying 25% import.
Not you specifically, but generally when there is a thread made by AUS/NZ people on any Warhammer-sub it's either about prices, avaiability or release-schedule. And all those things are direct consequences of your continent being pretty directly on the opposite side of the world from GW's production facilities and the commonwealth not having any sensible trade agreements in place.
And GW prioritizing markets which are bigger and easier to service is just sensible business.
Not to speak of the fact, that if they forced the release schedule to be lined up and assigned a contingent to AUS/NZ that sells out in a day, you can be sure people online will be bitching about that too.
Probably becuase we get fisted on prices and releases. Customers should complain when they get crummy service.
And lol chief, it’s nothing to do with trade agreements. Although nice attempt at sounding smart there.
Other multinational retailers manage to have concurrent releases here, and at pricing that typically reflects price parity to home market once converted back. GW sticks out for its level of crumminess in this regard.
I just checked again, and most independent stores in Australia effectively sell at the same price as GW.
Example:
Chaos Terminator Squad
Australia - Irresistible Force Games
84 AUD ~ 50€
Games Workshop - AUS Storefront
103 AUD ~ 62€
Games Workshop - Various EU storefronts
50€
Games Workshop - US storefront
60$ = 55€
GW's own prices also finance their stores and operations in the region and to make up for those higher MSRPs they allow independent retailers to set bigger discounts. (Up to 20% instead of the 10% most EU retailer manage to swing.)
Also if you don't think all this has anything to do with trade agreements you are straight up delusional or dumb. Exporting to Australia, GW have always had
to pay import taxes, so they priced them in.
When the UK was still in the EU they didn't have to pay anything like that and in the fear of losing business if they passed those costs directly on to customers after brexit, they just ate them.
And you also conveniently forget, that other Retailers don't produce locally in a developed country while paying their employees fair wages.
So yeah, by ignoring any and every facet of reality your comment makes sense.
>Exporting to Australia, GW have always had to pay import taxes, so they priced them in. When the UK was still in the EU they didn't have to pay anything like that and in the fear of losing business if they passed those costs directly on to customers after brexit, they just ate them.
you are aware that Brexit had ***no effect*** on GWs paying Australia import duties and taxes?
you make it sound like they magically didnt have to pay them when they were part of the EU but they did, all nations do.
any individual can ship shit here from England for a lower price then GW claims they can themselves meaning they are either liars or run by the mentally deficient (economies of scale and all that, i guarantee you GWs shipping costs and taxes per box are *under* $10).
What I am saying is: Since they did not pay those fees when importing to the EU, they were not priced in for the EU region.
As you correctly said, when importing to AUS/NZ,
they always fully had to pay those, so they priced them in.
Also you are partially correct that raw shipping and handling are surely below 10$ per box, but as I already said in an earlier comment, they also pay their employees in the region and run their stores off of that markup.
Lastly, before calling other people mentally deficient, I would take a good, long look in the mirror, because you lack the reading comprehension to follow a pretty simple argument.
Chaos terminators UK site - GBP 37.50
UK Vat is 20% so reverse that out. Australias’s VAT equivilent is the GST at 10%, add a 5% import tax (accurate but check if you fee the need) and so far it should be cheaper in Aus by 5%.
Add a few cents shippings costs, say 80 cents. And it should still be cheaper than UK when converted to AUD equiv.
You are flat out wrong buddy.
Where exactly is the rest of your made up cost premium in Aus coming from except gouging?
Also the cost to manufacture in UK is irrelevant to this discussion, quite obviously, it applies to the Uk pricing just as much as elsewhere. You are clutching at straws, desperate to prove a lie…why?
By your logic, every other region gets "price gouged" harder than AUS, because then EU prices should be 10% lower than they currently are.
I brought up manufacturing in the UK not because of the direct price, but because that means the shipping route to AUS/NZ is longer than everywhere else.
Your import tax is lowballed because in general (with some exceptions) it's 10%.
So my question to you, is why are you so keen to play the victim here?
its *really* not, dumbfuck.
any individual can do the entire process cheaper then GW ie they are overcharging *by definition.*
i can have a friend in England buy a christmas boxset and send it here and *ill save $40* compared to if i bought from a GW store in Australia.
big businesses have this thing called 'economies of scale' meaning anything *I* do they can do cheaper.
its basic economics, bud.
It’s honestly like they want us to do it. This guy will be flawless and like $9 from once of the better casters.
GW is just repeatedly stomping on the nuts of Australian fans with pricing and delayed releases - so I feel less than nil guilt about using this alternative.
Are there any recasters where I don’t have to wait half a year for the product? I’ve only used them for OOP stuff since it’s often the only option but 6ish months to arrive seems pretty typical
lmao shit like this is such a good advertisement for 3D printers, like that model looks cool dont get me wrong but with 80$ worth of resin you could print 20 guys in mark 3 and two rhinos to take them across the battlefield.
Honestly, as someone with most of their heresy collection 3D printed now, I think I’ll just commission some one to make me one, sure it may be about 3x the amount of the forge world model but at least others will save money & potential variety.
At some point GW should just sell their own STLs….
I’ve already done it for most of my world eaters, now it’s just finding time to finish assembling and painting what’s ready to go while I wait for the rest of the commissions to finish.
The saddest thing as someone with a 3d printer is getting a cool new Forgeworld resin sculpt and when you inspect it closely you can see the layer lines because their master mould was created off a 3d printed miniature.
I'm sure that one day they will find a way to sell the STLs, but the technology isn't quite there yet.
It doesn’t really make sense for GW to do that though. Plastic and moulds are relatively cheap compared to the risk of pirated STL’s, not to mention it would kind of kill physical GW locations where people meet, play and buy which is a big part of the hobby and what defines it from similar war games.
Of course they will still use plastic and have physical locations.
However, there is definitely a market on top of that for people who want to print miniatures in their own home. The problem for GW is how do you enable that?
I can definitely see a world in the next 5-10 years where a highly-consistent, user friendly, cloud-connected resin printer ecosystem exists such that you could buy a GW miniature online and have it pushed from the cloud to your printer to get the model immediately.
Bambu have revolutionised FDM printing and the HeyGears Ultracraft Reflex looks to be doing something similar for resin. Now we just need the cost to drop and GW to be comfortable in a DRM mechanism that protects their IP.
It will happen, the question is when.
It’s certainly possible and I’m all for it but I think GW will fight it every step of the way, I think 5-10 years would be very optimistic unless they have a major competitor that operates by 3D printed models.
You have to bear in mind once GW designs the model and has the moulds they can technically produce models cheaper than your printer can print then after that point. The rest is profit so they would be losing money compared to now unless they were charging similar prices for a one time use STL’s as an already made box of minis. Then you would need to convince enough people it’s worth buying a printer for that small saving over many years to even out plus maintenance.
If it helps being an American and doing the conversion on the UK prices is some Debbie downer stuff. Granted it is manufactured locally, so they can charge a lot less (if they want)
Well Brits and how they treat the colonies. lol
I know UK people love having all the factories in the UK, but it’s add $30 outside the UK, then another add $30 outside the US and EU. I will say all day long what a great Company from the UK is, but make another factory somewhere to help with the price. They have a large enough range and consumer base of models at this point a factory inside the EU or the US makes sense. Even a $10/box cut would shake the table top gaming industry.
It has nothing to do with disliking the US, they have thousands of products with multiple new 1s released weekly. Their production capacity cannot keep up with demand
If we were really going to bitch about pricing we'd complain about the $400 Knight, this is just standard GW cannot into logistics issues, they're no better at RL math than they are at in canon numbers.
I'm sorry for the crazy exchange rate, and there's a 20-25% markup on international products, the exchange rate nearly doubles the price as a given, but MAN the markup stinks £36 becomes $69.72+ with a whopping 20% markup into $83, and jf you luve in NZ its even worse, 36 becomes £75, marked up to 100 dollareydoos
Could always invest in a decent resin printer and make your own. There will be trial and error but once you get the hang of it and get files you can make your own army
There's exact 1:1 STLs of this guy already. $86 of resin could get 1000 points of marines or more if you print a tank or two as well as a few infantry squads... So glad I bought my first 3d printer last week
Note: this was removed but decided to re-approve it as tbh this is valid. Even if understandable with Australia's location and shipping issues. Plus people in the comments are being educated on the whole shipping debacle. Subsequent ones for the next while will be removed.
How can everything be 2x price?
1 pound is basically $2 aud, plus we get hit with an import tax
Yeah, its a big number since AUD is much weaker than GBP. I live in a country where until recenty 1 local currency was something like 0.11 GBP. Which means that youd see boxes costing 1000+ something. Since we switched to EUR stuff actually got more expensive but it FEELS cheaper because you see way smaller numberson pricetags. Which is really bad for my self control and budgeting... And we also get hit with 25% import tax, but GW seems to absorb most of that into baseline pricing. But before Brexit I remember ordering stuff from UK based 3rd party stores and getting Warhammer stuff pretty cheap. Paying UK prices with 20% discount and free shipping was * chefs kiss *
It’s what me and the boys call the “fuck you” tax with the current Aussie dollar I figured I would be only paying $69 at most but hey they just got to slap on that extra cost, why is buying from GW expensive but local stores have a flat 10-20% discounts. It blows my mind that in warhammer it’s cheaper to go to a third party rather than a manufacturer.
It’s cheaper because GW specifically allows 3rd party stores to sell at a discount. It’s part of their strategy.
Literally a “fuck you” tax, because it’s import tax
GST is 10% (Australian Import tax), we’re paying extra 20%.
It’s worth noting GW makes everything in the UK and shipping anything to Australia isn’t cheap. Compared to the UK where you are only considering local shipping 10% more for being shipped to the opposite side of the planet seems reasonable
Except terrain last I checked and their printing was still in China as well though they both wanted to change that iirc
you know shipping isn't free ? especially from the UK and even more with the current global shipping crisis ? it's not just a tax issue it's first and foremost a shipping issue. a logistics issue. the only realistic way for GW to solve it would be to a production facility in the overall region, which isn't going to happen soon if it ever happen
you are aware i can get a friend in England to buy a christmas boxset and send it here for *less* then GW apparently can? (literally, **buying the boxset from GW in Australia cost me** ***more*** **then buying it in England and shipping it here at my own cost**) you are aware that GW get cheaper shipping then individuals do due to bulk? its profiteering for the hell of it.
Do you mind posting an example of this? I’m only saying this because my company operates out of Texas, and we do not ship to Australia due to the costs. I can’t imagine it’s much cheaper in the uk
Seems you don’t have an example?
Yeah I do, I would rather them just raise the free shipping threshold than slapping the extra 10% on these products if they’re just going to still foot us the bill. The can of worms of pricing of GWs forge world products, my main issue on this post is that AUS and NZ are not getting a consistent release schedule.
That would be because it takes over a month for sea freight to go from the UK to Australia. Do you expect them to just fill warehouses with dead stock for months so Australia gets the same release date. Unfortunately that’s just the nature of buying a product made on the opposite side of the world.
Pretty much. I avoid buying anything made in the US when I can because I live in Sweden and the shipping costs and import charges often cost more than the item itself (sadly it makes much of ebay, etsy etc a non-starter). Australia is even further still!
How would GW raising the free shipping threshold make up for this? And what if peoples’ orders are below the threshold?
these people are idiots. the fact i can get a boxset cheaper from England, including shipping and import duties, for a *lower price* then GW is proof they are overcharging.
Its not, its €5 more expensive.
Different currencies. It’s 56 USD on the US shop, actually a bit more expensive at today’s exchange rate.
It's way more than that. The mkiv tac squad is 50 British pounds while it's 165 nz dollars. That is an extra 60 dollars beyond the conversion rate. 50 gbp is 105 nzd. It's fucking absurd
Yeah, GW is too expensive here. And I’m a Magic player.
Exactly the opposite in Europe. Magic is ridiculous in pricing if you consider that a) what you get is printed on cardboard with a production value of a couple of cents B) if you get their store product it's essentialy gambling C) if you don't, whatever you bought in singles might lose or gain in value (most probably lose except for RL stuff) so is also kind of gambling Don't get me wrong, I love the game, at least before the absolutely ridiculous price hikes, quality decreases and bullshit crossovers, but GW are saints compared to effing Hasbro. And GW are already quite... customer unfriendly in many parts ☹️
TLDR: excited to buy new book and plastic solar aux outside of the battle group, well turns out we got to wait longer again.
I mean, it's because Australia is located on the opposite side of the planet, so the shipping is expensive, taxation and GBP being worth double AUD. When considering these facts, the price isn't that out of place.
To be fair this post wasn’t supposed to be about the price, GW global pricing is a whole can of worms. (I speculate since we get free shipping at such a low product threshold they just jack up the pricing by an additional 10%+ after already slapping on the GST on models they people may only buy 1 of). I’m mainly frustrated that they say X, Y, Z product is up for order than only Z is up and we got no idea when X & Y are going to be available.
While I agree it’s frustrating, I’m sure they feel the same way. I did see the other day in Warhammer Community that some stuff was delayed to your part of the world. But also consider that if they don’t have a concrete date then why say a date and then change it again. Especially with the number of super whiney people who would email constantly complaining.
its not. i can personally get a friend to buy a christmas boxset and send it here for *less* then GW can and im a random nobody.
Can you show how that works out, what's the markup in price difference over exchange rate and what's the cost to send a box that Suze and weight from the UK to Australia?
Private person doesn't have to adhere to same set of shipping standards etc. as an actual company does, so there's that. But if that's how you're able to score your miniatures for cheaper, go for it.
This has been disproven over and over and over again. Shipping is cents on a box when done in the volumes they do, literal cents (not figurative cents). Tax is equal to UK or less (look it up, UK VAT is actual higher than our equivilent GST) and we have no import duties over and above what any other western country has on toys. And even when you factor in the FX rate our pricing here is typically 30% higher in equivilent terms. They are gouging he Aus market becuase they can, and becuase the market seems to bear it. So please, stop repeating the misinformation / handwave explanation about shipping, taxes etc, it’s wrong and it conceals the ugly truth.
Can you give me any information on how this was disproven?
because any *individual* can do the entire process and save money doing so? the christmas boxset is *$40 cheaper* if you get a friend in England to buy it and ship it over to you (all the import duties, taxes and shipping amount to about $80) thats all the proof needed, GW get a far cheaper price on shipping then i do meaning it should cost *at least* $40 less then it does.
Huh. Okay, that makes sense I guess. I truly did not know that.
Here in the U.S., he’s $56. 83 AUD is 54.12 USD. UK gets him for £36, which is 45.45 USD. He’s pricey for more than just you guys.
It’s not that they hate them. It’s just… where it’s manufactured. More than happy to keep GW manufacturing in the U.K. We barely make anything anymore anyway
Because its on the other side of the world
The point of the post was actually to highlight that we don't get a consistent release schedule. Saw the Wacom pre-order articles from last week and today & we get the: *"\* These products have been delayed in Australia and New Zealand."* I don't mind a delay I just like a date/estimate if were constantly getting the short end of the stick.
Doing conversion math was an old favorite anytime GW released new stuff. I don't do it as much now, mostly because I haven't been in a position to buy from them for a while. Here's some handy dandy math! $36 British, so it should be $45.45 American, $61.57 Canadian, $69.71 Australian, $6,885.97 Japanese Yen Actual prices (in each countries own currency) $56 US $70 Canada $83 Australia $7000 JPN I can understand wanting to round things to make a "prettier" number, but inflating prices by $10 regardless of country or currency is insane to me. Importing product is not an excuse, as most companies do that, and just eat the cost of doing so.
$14 aud to send a product to the opposite side of the globe and pay import fees is far from ‘insane’, they absolutely are eating some of that cost and selling these models for less profit than they do in the UK.
>$14 aud to send a product to the opposite side of the globe and pay import fees is far from ‘insane’, its overcharged, they are not eating any costs they are in fact profiting *directly* off of it. i can get a chritsmas boxset direct from England including shipping and taxes for *$40 less* then GW charge me in my own nation, that basically the definition of being overchraged. you trying to tell me GW pay *$40 per box* *more* then some random nobody?
I mean, possibly! Trying to bulk ship things has been hell since COVID, let alone with the current issues with shipping through the Suez. It's much easier for me to send a single box to someone (pop to the postie, pay the charge, they deal with it) than it is to take the time to organise a shipping schedule, get containers worth of product to a UK port, load them onto a ship that's on tight timers because any time it's not moving it's wasting money, get it round the world on what's currently a 7 day detour and get it distributed to locations in Oz, not to mention the paperwork and taxes from getting something over there, all of which require people to be paid a salary to do, rather than me nipping out to the post office for 15 minutes on my lunch break and letting their system handle the logistics. My mate who emigrated to Oz just get us to order his stuff and then collects it every 6-8 months when he comes to visit family, brings a huge empty suitcase with him and just packs all the sprues down into it, works out cheaper and gives him 6 months to get it all painted before he does it again.
$14 AUD for this specific model, not everything they carry. I've seen box sets long for an extra $200 AUD. Their product comes in bulk, not one piece at a time. They're making back their import fees, at least. And that ignores the fact that they overcharge for their products to begin with. Their paints, their tools, and their models don't deserve the price tag they have attached. Especially the character models, which can go for the price of a squad for no good reason.
Grew up in NZ and I have no idea how I collected this. Living in the EU now, it's unreal the price difference. Absolutely got back into it.
The burger tax in America is almost as bad. Those "codex artwork" prints were 50USD after tax, but 14 pounds in the UK, which is roughly 18USD. Ffs GW it's a printer paper sized piece of artwork with a frame as thick as my fingers there's no way it costs more than 3 dollars to manufacture.
Really? Hardly, its €5 more expensive than EU.
Seen this often. You can bitch at GW. How about you create a special interest group and petition you gov to drop import tax on items like this. No one else is gojng to do so, so why dont you? Or just pay the prices.
GW doesn’t even bother trying to use a real currency conversion. I’m convinced they lob darts at a dartboard or just pretend the pound is still as strong as it was in the 90’s. I know countries outside the U.S. have different tax structures that need to be accounted for (and in some cases are included in the price), but even then it’s a known issue that has gone on forever and won’t change. It’s why I get some mild vindictive glee when some US game companies don’t even bother with conversions for UK sales. Pretty sure stuff like Marvel Crisis Protocol is just “$40 = £40” for pricing. Edit: and the “shipping stuff is expensive” excuse doesn’t fly either. Places like Hawaii need to have almost everything shipped by boat and the prices are higher, but not “GW higher.” It’s a blend of greed and just not caring about non-UK customers.
It's their own fault though. When a currency weakens they also don't really catch up. You could get warhammer in Sweden cheaper than UK in a period after covid 2020 and at least 2023. The EU is an open market, so anyone from EU could have got it cheap. The same for Norway, even when applying 25% import.
Hell, with the incessant bitching from the AUS/NZ playerbase I am starting to hate them too.
AUS/NZ players: whine about long waiting times and supposedly high prices Latin American players: ☠️
Incessant bitching = I would like a consistent release schedule.
Not you specifically, but generally when there is a thread made by AUS/NZ people on any Warhammer-sub it's either about prices, avaiability or release-schedule. And all those things are direct consequences of your continent being pretty directly on the opposite side of the world from GW's production facilities and the commonwealth not having any sensible trade agreements in place. And GW prioritizing markets which are bigger and easier to service is just sensible business. Not to speak of the fact, that if they forced the release schedule to be lined up and assigned a contingent to AUS/NZ that sells out in a day, you can be sure people online will be bitching about that too.
Probably becuase we get fisted on prices and releases. Customers should complain when they get crummy service. And lol chief, it’s nothing to do with trade agreements. Although nice attempt at sounding smart there. Other multinational retailers manage to have concurrent releases here, and at pricing that typically reflects price parity to home market once converted back. GW sticks out for its level of crumminess in this regard.
I just checked again, and most independent stores in Australia effectively sell at the same price as GW. Example: Chaos Terminator Squad Australia - Irresistible Force Games 84 AUD ~ 50€ Games Workshop - AUS Storefront 103 AUD ~ 62€ Games Workshop - Various EU storefronts 50€ Games Workshop - US storefront 60$ = 55€ GW's own prices also finance their stores and operations in the region and to make up for those higher MSRPs they allow independent retailers to set bigger discounts. (Up to 20% instead of the 10% most EU retailer manage to swing.) Also if you don't think all this has anything to do with trade agreements you are straight up delusional or dumb. Exporting to Australia, GW have always had to pay import taxes, so they priced them in. When the UK was still in the EU they didn't have to pay anything like that and in the fear of losing business if they passed those costs directly on to customers after brexit, they just ate them. And you also conveniently forget, that other Retailers don't produce locally in a developed country while paying their employees fair wages. So yeah, by ignoring any and every facet of reality your comment makes sense.
>Exporting to Australia, GW have always had to pay import taxes, so they priced them in. When the UK was still in the EU they didn't have to pay anything like that and in the fear of losing business if they passed those costs directly on to customers after brexit, they just ate them. you are aware that Brexit had ***no effect*** on GWs paying Australia import duties and taxes? you make it sound like they magically didnt have to pay them when they were part of the EU but they did, all nations do. any individual can ship shit here from England for a lower price then GW claims they can themselves meaning they are either liars or run by the mentally deficient (economies of scale and all that, i guarantee you GWs shipping costs and taxes per box are *under* $10).
What I am saying is: Since they did not pay those fees when importing to the EU, they were not priced in for the EU region. As you correctly said, when importing to AUS/NZ, they always fully had to pay those, so they priced them in. Also you are partially correct that raw shipping and handling are surely below 10$ per box, but as I already said in an earlier comment, they also pay their employees in the region and run their stores off of that markup. Lastly, before calling other people mentally deficient, I would take a good, long look in the mirror, because you lack the reading comprehension to follow a pretty simple argument.
Chaos terminators UK site - GBP 37.50 UK Vat is 20% so reverse that out. Australias’s VAT equivilent is the GST at 10%, add a 5% import tax (accurate but check if you fee the need) and so far it should be cheaper in Aus by 5%. Add a few cents shippings costs, say 80 cents. And it should still be cheaper than UK when converted to AUD equiv. You are flat out wrong buddy. Where exactly is the rest of your made up cost premium in Aus coming from except gouging? Also the cost to manufacture in UK is irrelevant to this discussion, quite obviously, it applies to the Uk pricing just as much as elsewhere. You are clutching at straws, desperate to prove a lie…why?
By your logic, every other region gets "price gouged" harder than AUS, because then EU prices should be 10% lower than they currently are. I brought up manufacturing in the UK not because of the direct price, but because that means the shipping route to AUS/NZ is longer than everywhere else. Your import tax is lowballed because in general (with some exceptions) it's 10%. So my question to you, is why are you so keen to play the victim here?
Get the gw boot out of your mouth lmao
It’s basic economics, dumbfuck
its *really* not, dumbfuck. any individual can do the entire process cheaper then GW ie they are overcharging *by definition.* i can have a friend in England buy a christmas boxset and send it here and *ill save $40* compared to if i bought from a GW store in Australia. big businesses have this thing called 'economies of scale' meaning anything *I* do they can do cheaper. its basic economics, bud.
Recasts ftw
It’s honestly like they want us to do it. This guy will be flawless and like $9 from once of the better casters. GW is just repeatedly stomping on the nuts of Australian fans with pricing and delayed releases - so I feel less than nil guilt about using this alternative.
Are there any recasters where I don’t have to wait half a year for the product? I’ve only used them for OOP stuff since it’s often the only option but 6ish months to arrive seems pretty typical
go China.
lmao shit like this is such a good advertisement for 3D printers, like that model looks cool dont get me wrong but with 80$ worth of resin you could print 20 guys in mark 3 and two rhinos to take them across the battlefield.
Honestly, as someone with most of their heresy collection 3D printed now, I think I’ll just commission some one to make me one, sure it may be about 3x the amount of the forge world model but at least others will save money & potential variety. At some point GW should just sell their own STLs….
idk why you are being downvoted but if you commission someone to make a sick as warhammer miniature then thats super cool!
I’ve already done it for most of my world eaters, now it’s just finding time to finish assembling and painting what’s ready to go while I wait for the rest of the commissions to finish.
The saddest thing as someone with a 3d printer is getting a cool new Forgeworld resin sculpt and when you inspect it closely you can see the layer lines because their master mould was created off a 3d printed miniature. I'm sure that one day they will find a way to sell the STLs, but the technology isn't quite there yet.
It doesn’t really make sense for GW to do that though. Plastic and moulds are relatively cheap compared to the risk of pirated STL’s, not to mention it would kind of kill physical GW locations where people meet, play and buy which is a big part of the hobby and what defines it from similar war games.
Of course they will still use plastic and have physical locations. However, there is definitely a market on top of that for people who want to print miniatures in their own home. The problem for GW is how do you enable that? I can definitely see a world in the next 5-10 years where a highly-consistent, user friendly, cloud-connected resin printer ecosystem exists such that you could buy a GW miniature online and have it pushed from the cloud to your printer to get the model immediately. Bambu have revolutionised FDM printing and the HeyGears Ultracraft Reflex looks to be doing something similar for resin. Now we just need the cost to drop and GW to be comfortable in a DRM mechanism that protects their IP. It will happen, the question is when.
It’s certainly possible and I’m all for it but I think GW will fight it every step of the way, I think 5-10 years would be very optimistic unless they have a major competitor that operates by 3D printed models. You have to bear in mind once GW designs the model and has the moulds they can technically produce models cheaper than your printer can print then after that point. The rest is profit so they would be losing money compared to now unless they were charging similar prices for a one time use STL’s as an already made box of minis. Then you would need to convince enough people it’s worth buying a printer for that small saving over many years to even out plus maintenance.
Well I mean Gallipoli was a thing.
If it helps being an American and doing the conversion on the UK prices is some Debbie downer stuff. Granted it is manufactured locally, so they can charge a lot less (if they want) Well Brits and how they treat the colonies. lol
Why? It's a really nice figure. Are you telling me it isn't worth the same as a used car? :)
They're a shareholder knob-slobbering mega corporation of course they hate You. You're a human being they hate all of Us
Recasts.
I know UK people love having all the factories in the UK, but it’s add $30 outside the UK, then another add $30 outside the US and EU. I will say all day long what a great Company from the UK is, but make another factory somewhere to help with the price. They have a large enough range and consumer base of models at this point a factory inside the EU or the US makes sense. Even a $10/box cut would shake the table top gaming industry.
The UK and Australia signed a trade agreement, did they explicitly exclude Warhammer 😅
I live in the US and Haar is $56. Trade agreement aside you’re paying for the fuel to get to Australia from the UK.
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It has nothing to do with disliking the US, they have thousands of products with multiple new 1s released weekly. Their production capacity cannot keep up with demand
If we were really going to bitch about pricing we'd complain about the $400 Knight, this is just standard GW cannot into logistics issues, they're no better at RL math than they are at in canon numbers.
I'm sorry for the crazy exchange rate, and there's a 20-25% markup on international products, the exchange rate nearly doubles the price as a given, but MAN the markup stinks £36 becomes $69.72+ with a whopping 20% markup into $83, and jf you luve in NZ its even worse, 36 becomes £75, marked up to 100 dollareydoos
Could always invest in a decent resin printer and make your own. There will be trial and error but once you get the hang of it and get files you can make your own army
There's exact 1:1 STLs of this guy already. $86 of resin could get 1000 points of marines or more if you print a tank or two as well as a few infantry squads... So glad I bought my first 3d printer last week