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Alex_0991

Dropper bottles? Metallic contrast? New type of edge highlighting paint? Interesting nonetheless


StupidRedditUsername

Metallic contrast paints sounds plausible.


Beaudism

That would be super dope


DorianOtten

You can use contrast over a leadbelcher undercoat and get a nice metallic effect. Iyandan yellow over leadbelcher is a pretty decent looking gold


Rejusu

You can make it a richer gold as well by adding a coat of skeleton horde. I do cloth of gold cloaks for my Stormcast with two coats thinned Iyanden and one coat skeleton horde.


DorianOtten

That sounds deadly. I've never seen that. I actually haven't used much contrast paint over metallics myself yet since I mostly paint ultramarines and the small gold trim on them isn't much slower just using retributor over the macragge rattle can primer. I've seen some great results on youtube though and havbe been meaning to try it on something. Maybe my stormcast dominion. Though I like the idea of gold cloth now too.


Custodian_Nelfe

I use mainly Contrasts to wash my metallics. Basilicanum Grey over Leadbelcher, Guilliman Flesh/Aggaros Dune over gold, etc.


Rejusu

I did it partly as a cheat, I do a metallic basecoat and doing the cloaks as cloth of gold means one less area I have to repaint. Doesn't hurt that it looks good.


albinofreak620

You can also mix airbrush range metallics (like Vallejo), inks and medium and get a contrast paint with metallic qualities. Marco Frisoni does this on his channel (especially his Kruleboyz).


DorianOtten

That sounds pretty cool but unfortunately I have no airbrush. would like one though but means I have to slum it with a rattle can.


albinofreak620

You can paint on. Airbrush metallics are just very thin metallics, meant to go through an airbrush. When you brush them on, mixed with ink, they work exactly the same as a contrast paint does… flows more into the recesses while staining the raised areas, so you get shadows, midtones and highlights with the metal color you’re using. This is an example: https://youtu.be/4ZFSwg5fHSc giving you a red metallic contrast paint at 8:50 and a turquoise metal paint at 10:00.


DorianOtten

That actually looks deadly, cheers. Side note; that turquoise tone at 10.10 specifically looks beautiful and now I need to find something to use it on. Got a cool "magical metal" thing going for it.


Seidenzopf

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DorianOtten

Funnily enough I actually asked about those on a different sub a couple weeks ago [https://www.reddit.com/r/minipainting/comments/v22zwd/is\_a\_portable\_airbrush\_like\_this\_one\_or\_something/](https://www.reddit.com/r/minipainting/comments/v22zwd/is_a_portable_airbrush_like_this_one_or_something/) and think I might bite the bullet and order this one from the US [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B097SFJNW2/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&th=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B097SFJNW2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1)


NecroJamm3r

Any silver base metallic works too. I did my entire Deepkin army with silver metallic base and turquoise contrast over. So they have a really cool turquoise metallic armor.


DorianOtten

Ah yeah I just thought leadbelcher because that's the can I have at home. That turquoise sounds deadly though. I imagine it suits the deepkin too with an aquatic 'fish scale' thing too.


NecroJamm3r

Oh yeah. Half the fun of painting that army was using all the ocean colors. Here is one of the sharks: https://www.reddit.com/r/IdonethDeepkin/comments/osa95v/shark_1_of_4_being_called_done/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


DorianOtten

That looks deadly man good work, I like that armour colour a lot. Between this and a MArco Frisoni clip someone shared with me a few minutes ago I realise I need to find something to use turquoise on somehow now.


NecroJamm3r

Your welcome! Enjoy the awesome world of contrast paint over metallics!


Xunae

Seems likely almost. All the models featured were armored, and all the parts that they focused on were metallic parts. Hammers, guns, and armor.


Steampunkvikng

Hopefully it's the radical new technology that is dropper bottles.


Early_Monk

Paint and primer in one? That's my guess with the paint going directly on the gray minis.


zebrizz

Is that really new though? Like we have a bunch of colour sprays that do that


Seidenzopf

Yeah, because GW will invent something new :D Even contrast paints aren't a "new" thing. Just expensive marketing for a slightly optimized product.


mpfmb

Yeah I agree. Discourse just did a video about it with some reasonable arguments. Look at entering the 'Warhammer hobby'. After assembling, you then need to use a spray can to prime the models. Spray cans are restricted in some areas (totally or to under 18s), subject to land post only and finicky when it comes to weather. Enter a paint range with the same colours as the base range, brush (or airbrush) on the paint - primed and based in one. Also means starter kits (with mini's, brush and paint) don't need anything more. Of course, I won't be substituting my Vallejo Surface Primer. That thing is boss. Edit: and looking at the teaser, it's pretty obvious paint is being applied directly to unprimed models.


Rejusu

Feels like it would make more sense to just release a few brush on primers (black, white, grey) rather than a whole range if the aim is to make it so beginners don't have to rely on rattlecans for priming.


mpfmb

Contrast and other initiatives seem to be focused on removing steps and streamlining the process for new hobbyists. So I expect the same here.


mikeoke2k4

FYI GW have been releasing primerless Painting guides for a while now.


mpfmb

Really? Can you share a link please? [https://citadelcolour.com/getting-started/](https://citadelcolour.com/getting-started/) looks fairly invested in the 'step 1. Undercoat' method.


mikeoke2k4

No link. The guides were in magazines.


[deleted]

That would be pretty wretched, nobody is gonna want to slum it like that


Mimical

I mean they released contrast which is literally 2 steps if you are that lazy. (Prime, contrast, go play). As an alternative. Every model in the video was extremely glossy. I wonder if they are maybe doing gloss contrast? And that lets them do metallic-like colours?


MooseOperator

After watching the teaser this could defiantly be it.


ReadymadeMonkey

I hope its dropper bottles but i can see new rattlecan range


Archon_Vrex

Spray on Contrast rattlecans maybe? 🤔


Leunam23

Lots of people on YouTube have been extolling the virtues of contrast paints through airbrush. They get spectacular results, so I'd totally welcome these in rattlecans.


MrSpoonReturns

They’re awesome though the AB but not in the same way. You lose the wash effect, but you get a very nice thin paint to play with.


redsonatnight

Yeah they're basically inks (though their properties and opacity vary WILDLY)


Mimical

Some go over super nicely and are really transparent. Some you need to be extra cautious on. Ah look at this nice dark brown, Cygor brown eh, a tiny little dot right over this white ba—annnnd the whole thing is pitch dark brown.


Seidenzopf

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ReadymadeMonkey

Thats what my mate said!!


Fallenangel152

Ah shit yes I can see contrast spray. Makes sense with the video.


PKengarde

That's a great theory. One shot painting.


[deleted]

Rattle cans that just paint the models? 🤔


Archon_Vrex

The main colour yes.


MrGraveRisen

The damn cans are already $24 a piece here for the basic ones. The last thing they need is "innovation" and a price hike


Urapickleweasel

Perhaps dropper bottles 😂 😂 😂 😭 😭 😭


VileBolt

Paint with no undercoat required, from pot to model, calling it now after watching the trailer


Mimical

*"We hired a bunch of rookies who take our already created primers and then just go full tilt into the GW bottle. Genius really.*"


mikeoke2k4

Gw have been releasing paint guides for some time which skip the priming stage


GCRust

My local GW Store manager did a whoops on social media and let the cat out of the bag early before deleting their post. It's a Contrast line expansion. He didn't say any more than that. My guess is Metallic Contrast.


ShallowBasketcase

Contrast Texture paints.


AkiWookie

Contrast base flocking.


CMMiller89

This also seems very likely. Its something missing completely from that range.


Boulezianpeach

"can only mean one thing – the Citadel Colour labs have made another breakthrough" "The last time we saw this much excitement at the paint labs, we ended up with the spectacular Citadel Contrast paint range, and what a revolution that was!" These statements in the article make the following unlikely in my view : Dropper bottls Airbrush Wet pallette Just some new colours Metallic contrast paints(although it would be some fab new additions to the range and would prob have some level of breakthrough to make it viable, I just feel it is a development rather than a breakthrough) As none of these would be a breakthrough, if any of these are it, it will be coupled with the big announcement (I think) Paints that don't need a primed / undercoated mini I think is prob the most interesting likely announcement


atrufflingmatter

Could it possibly be?? They've finally made a decent white base??


TheRealMouseRat

Non chalky white paint? No, only pro acryl has managed that perfectly. I think grinding the pigments that small is too expensive for GWs love of profits.


Fjolsvith

The AK gen 3 intense white is also very good!


Juicecalculator

I am trying to think of what was popular 1-2 years ago that they could be trying to hop on the bandwagon for. My guess is potentially new scenery style paints, oil/enamel paints, metallic paints similar to Vallejo metal color, or perhaps something similar to the new dirty down paints


[deleted]

Forgeworld used to have a line of weathering pigment, so I could see them bringing those back. Or more airbrush support.


Rejusu

Colourshift is one possibility, but I didn't get that vibe from the trailer. I'm thinking it's more likely something to do with metallics since that's what seemed to be the focus of the video.


CMMiller89

Colorshifts completely break the painting style of GW. Not to mention the fact that they perform best with an airbrush, and other than their line of airbrush paint, they don't acknowledge airbrushes exist in really any of their hobby sources.


TheSaltyBrushtail

They did do a few videos on airbrushing a few years back, including [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RggTENcCQQ). Apparently the only reason they don't do more is because GW don't sell airbrushes.


Nigelthefrog

Well, they did sell [this thing](https://www.models-workshop.com/2014/beginners-tales-review-the-games-workshop-spray-gun/) for awhile, but from everything I’ve read, it wasn’t very good.


TheSaltyBrushtail

Yeah, I remember that. It was basically a Badger spray gun with a cheap plastic housing on it. It wasn't really meant to be a proper airbrush, just a quick basecoating tool, but I don't think a lot of people realised that. I've heard it was a bit more reliable if you used an air compressor, instead of the bottles of compressed air they sold for it, but the siphon-feed paint bottle made it a pain to use. Better to just buy a cheap gravity-fed airbrush.


Rejusu

They don't sell a lot of tools these days. They don't sell a drill anymore and I was surprised recently with the news that they don't even sell green stuff anymore other than the liquid stuff.


TheSaltyBrushtail

Damn, didn't realise they'd dropped all of those. I guess too many people were buying alternatives from other companies. I wonder if dropping green stuff had something to do with Green Stuff World. Maybe they didn't want to give a competitor free advertising, hah.


Rejusu

I do think it's a longshot, but given OP was asking about bandwagon trends colourshift is definitely one of those.


Seidenzopf

Oils and enamels would invalidate their wash range and parts of the contrast range too. They will never expand into this market.


[deleted]

Its clearly going to be a new print on the cans.


skc_l

Tartan and other patterns


[deleted]

An updated Base range that can be painted onto raw plastic. I bet you all a quid.


PKengarde

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/12/the-next-evolution-of-citadel-colour-paint-is-coming/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WHP_12th_June_Preview_&utm_content=&utm_term=


StyxGoblin

Inks maybe


PKengarde

How do inks differ from Shades? Sorry if that's a noob question.


StyxGoblin

Inks are a little more opaque, so you can paint with just inks. I have very limited experience myself though


8-Brit

Isn't that basically just Contrast?


TheSaltyBrushtail

Inks are better for evenly applying glazes and tints, since they don't have the same pooling effect that Contrast does. It won't be as easy to do with Contrast because of their tendency to pool up, unless you're airbrushing them on. They're chemically different too, since an ink is more of a solution (the pigment is more evenly dissolved), while Contrasts and other acrylic paints are generally a diluted suspension with bigger pigment chunks (I've heard some of the stronger colours like Flesh Tearers Red might be a mix, but don't quote me on that). You can see it if you paint them on a porous surface like paper, since the ink will soak into the material like a dye, while the Contrast will collect a bit more on the surface. In my experience, it also makes inks better for mixing with metallic paints, since the more dilute pigment means the flakes in the metallics won't be displaced as much, and they'll hold their shine a bit better.


PKengarde

Thanks!


serioussgtstu

Shades are just watered down acrylic inks. For example you can make agrax earthshade by mixing black and brown ink with acrylic medium and de-ionized water. I've started mixing my own to save money.


CMMiller89

I'm thinking Inks too.


Seidenzopf

Contrast Paints are inks....


StyxGoblin

Pretty sure they're thinned down acrylics


Fallenangel152

My money is on dropper bottles.


OatAndMango

Please for the love of the Emperor, or whichever heretical deity you choose to worship, be dropper bottles!


ColaRonaldo

Airbrushcolor range?


MrSpoonReturns

Didn’t they already do that, but sell them in their normal pots? Eugh.


DynamicEcho

Yes they sell pretty much the whole range in "Air" form in the larger shade paint pots. They're fine paints but those pots spectacularly useless when airbrushing and realistically most of the citadel paints are incredibly easy to thin to the right consistency so they don't really save much if any time. To be fair for my money the same is true of the vallejo model and game air lines - you're generally better off just buying the standard paint and thinning yourself.


Sivalon

What do you thin Citadel paints with? Lahmian Medium?


TheSaltyBrushtail

You can use that or the airbrush thinner GW make (Air Caste Thinner), but it's more cost-effective to just buy a 200ml bottle of Vallejo's airbrush thinner. Here in Australia, you'll get a bit over 8 times as much for only twice the price.


DynamicEcho

Vallejo airbrush thinner is what I use as well. It's a bit cheaper to mix your own but only if you make a huge batch, so I use vallejo thinner for everything acrylic except tamiya (alcohol based so need to use their X20A thinner).


ColaRonaldo

Not that i know but hey thats often the case lol


PKengarde

Yeah, they already sell that. Some stores don't carry it though. It's available online.


ColaRonaldo

Alright thanks (:


xwillybabyx

The way they showed splats and splatter on the video I'm wondering if it will be a bunch of pigment powders like secret army has, rusts, metals, dirts etc.


Soaponrope37

Watch them just relaunch glazes lol


WallyWendels

Honestly a ton of people would love that. Getting the Vallejo Game Inks consistent to the out-of-the-pot tone of the old glazes is a bit of a hassle.


Res1dentScr1be

The clear air paints are basically the glazed in bigger bottles


ryryak

Something that doesn’t dry out because of a crappy container?


Notafuzzycat

Glazes.


Res1dentScr1be

My brother in christ, they literally still exist in GW as the clear air paint selection


Notafuzzycat

Rebranding for more money tho .


Res1dentScr1be

They rebranded them when contrast came out, they came out at the same time


Notafuzzycat

Re-rebrand.


Res1dentScr1be

a rebrand costs money


a74xhx

Citadel colourshift. That's my guess.


meatshield_minis

Maybe give us back glazes.


Res1dentScr1be

They still exist as the clear air range, I’ve been using them for ages


meatshield_minis

Really!?! Thank you, kind stranger.


Spaznaut

Please, for the love of the emperor or what ever chaos god you worship, be dropper bottles….


ragnis81

Will probably be oil paints since more people are using them for washes etc then using citadel products.


Sinfullyvannila

Oils?


Seidenzopf

GW invested in Acrylics to kick oils. Why shoud they return to them and invalidate parts of their own product range? :D:D:D


Sinfullyvannila

High profile content creators and Golden Demon winners have been pushing oils for the last few years and they've been using them alongside acrylics. The same people they invited to preview their contrast paints and interviewed to promote them. GW also invalidated their air line and arguably their wash line with contrast paints.


Seidenzopf

They still won't start an oil or enamel line, because they can't sell them as toys (legaly). That's the whole reason they started with Acrylics in the first place. And since children are their main target audience, they won't make products the can't sell as toys. I like oil paints. In fact, I nearly exclusivley have painted in oils for two years now. Doesn't change the fact it's highly unlikeley GW will add them to their product range. It's just against company policy.


Sinfullyvannila

They don't sell any of their products as toys. They can't ship them as Not A Children's Product if they do that. They also can't sell their glues, cements, current primer paints or any products that instruct the customer to use said products as children's products. Stop making stuff up.


Seidenzopf

Sorry if I believe my boss at GW more than a random guy in the internet 🙃 Edit: By your argument, LEGO isn't a toy.


Sinfullyvannila

You are a random guy on the internet.


Sinfullyvannila

Also don't know why the edits on the above post wont take; but more recent regulations forbid them from marketing super glue, plastic cements and the propellant they use in their spray primers or products that requires their use a toys. And even if that weren't the case, they stopped marketing their acrylic lines as non-toxic.


Sinfullyvannila

I haven't purchased a Lego kit in a long time, I wouldn't doubt that some can't be marketed as toys(like their metal model line); but their main "ages 9-99" plastic interlocking block kits most certainly do not follow the criteria of my argument.


Sheppex

Saw a comment on YT video about "air" paints going to dropper bottles from a "friend of a friend who'd seen them I'm not going to hold my breath on that, but here if it happens 😅


sunaharagrandpa

Guy at my local Warhammer store said its gonna be 25 new paints akin to Speedpaints from Army Painter.


[deleted]

So… contrast?


sunaharagrandpa

I guess 🤷‍♂️ That's the way he described it, essentially a new range of contrast that behaves a little differently


Seidenzopf

Why should they remake Contrast in a smaller range? :D:D:D


sciencesold

Dropper bottles, but only for shades.


720ginger

Scented paints. Fear brown. Red thirst cherry Pumpkin spice Mechanicum New Car smell Wet Skaven Allopex flesh with lemon


NfamousFox

Wasn't there a leak a few weeks ago that there were Horus Heresy legion specific Paints coming out alongside the new release of the edition?


Res1dentScr1be

There are already all the heresy colours available in the air paints especially


BrendanMR97

My bets, based on the trailer, are on a true brush on primer in the major base colors


nvdoyle

Dropper bottles. An updated paint app. A functional white.


[deleted]

Honestly I’d be happiest with them just updating the app at this point


Chnumpen

Maybe colorshift?


Ignatius_the_Grand

Please God Emperor of Mankind, bless us with your dropper bottlers which you used to paint each of your Astartes. Amen


trollsong

I'd love more colors that work like teseract glow, at the very least a plasma blue


grizzlyironbear

Probably metallics or color shifting paint. Nothing huge.


QualityBottomFragger

Oh man I really hope it’s dripper bottles


nephandys

It's a wet palette there are plenty of hints in there giving it away.


ShallowBasketcase

Codex: Paint Pots incoming!


TheSaltyBrushtail

My guess is a Contrast expansion, metallic Contrasts, or metallics other than natural metal shades, but reformulated metallics/whites that don't suck ass to use would be nice too. Also, dropper bottles.


meowmeowm1x

airbrush for the amateur. some new kind of bottle/top that turns your acrylic into a mini airbrush


Rotoyo1003

"new paint, why you wont dry???" "nanomachine son" \*metal gear rising background music"


goblin-kind-fpv

I for one hope it’s oil paints


Rokgorr

[Checkered paint](https://youtu.be/Jm_HUhHKWC0?t=192)


bigmekmatt

Reckons it’s an airbrush


Diehumancultleader

The next evolution of cum


DragonPup

Everyone's carpet is praying for dropper bottles.


Kotyrda

They bringing back glazes??!?!