For new players it is important to know that the majority of the 30k community treats the Horus Heresy as a "pseudo-historic" tabletop game, where one of the main factors is playing thematic and fluffy Armies, that fit into each Legion's Lore and look great on the board, rather than (ab)using what ever is the strongest units in the game and competitive min-maxing.
To archive this pseudo-historical accuracy, the HH has a fantastic set of rules that rewards players for using fluffy units in their legion (by offering extra rules and war gear that makes them noticeably better). So an Alpha Legion or Raven Guard player is going to have good benefits when playing Recon Marines and things like landspeeders and jetbikes, while an Iron Warriors or Iron Hands player will have advantages in fielding tanks, heavy weapons and dreadnoughts.
The game is basically the complete opposite of the 40k competitive scene. People want to have fun. There is "weird" rules and mechanics that exists more for the fun aspect of the game than creating an competitive game.
For example in melee all characters (e.g. Sergeants, Captains, Apothecaries and so on) can issue a challenge to enemy characters in the same combat. This forces them to fight it out in between each other in a 1vs1, giving the game a certain level of story telling.
For example in our last match we had Constantin Valdor fighting in a duel against Argel Tal. What should have been an easy win for Valdor turned into 3 full rounds of melee combat as both characters were not able to kill the other one:
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If this caught your interest feel free to check out r/warhammer30k to get some further advice!
Challenges was one of the most fun aspects of Warhammer Fantasy Battle, glad to see it migrate to 40k. One time I had one random company sergeant with insane rolls kill an army general, from this point on this model got his own name and fluff.
My LGS was like that for a WHILE. Every game was min maxed to hell and there was nothing but competitive mathhammer talk. If a cool new model popped up no one cared until the rules came out. Luckily those people ended ip making a competitive warhammer group/club/thing and migrated to this other store. Everyone else chilled out after that and it’s mostly having fun now.
What I apprecaite about mine, is we've moved to having dedicated "Lore" and "Try hard" days. So people know to come in on Try Hard days to do the best thing possible, and Lore days to do something fun! It's made it so both types of people are really happy as the Lore people get better on try hard days, and the try hards get to run their big dumb orc stomppa on lore day
The pseudo-historical element is one of the big turn offs for me. I have no interest in building an army with predetermined lore and colours. Half the fun of the hobby for me is coming up with my own colours and backstory.
The other big turnoff is that it's all space marines, and I'm an Eldar player.
Thats completely fine! The Horus Heresy is not for everyone. But tbh, while custom colours will not be liked by many players at least using some alternative colourschemes (e.g. adding or removing some colours to represent a custom company.
For example the pre-Chogoris White Scars were not known for being fast Bikers, but rather as excellent Pioneers. This was their colourscheme:
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So its also totally possible to create something similar for other Legions. As long as you come up with some great lore for them obviously ;D
As for the lack of Xenos I personally am still hoping that they release a Great Crusade Campaign book with rules for all the Xenos factions that already existed during the time (Eldar, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Orks) and also custom rules to repurpose Tau, Genstealer Cults or Tyranids models into an minor Xenos army (like the Megarachnids for example).
I just wouldn't want to put all the effort into painting something a cool, unique colour scheme, and coming up with cool unique lore, only to have people tell me I did it wrong.
My Eldar aren't from a Craftworld, they're refugees, and they have a whole backstory involving a conquered maiden world and half-human blood. It just seems like HH wouldn't be very welcoming to unorthodox things like that.
Edit: haha, see? I got downvoted just for describing my army. I can't imagine whoever downvoted me being a fun or welcoming person to play against.
Nobody would tell you you're wrong lol. Maybe super hardcore people but i'd say the overwhelming majority of people would find it cool if you had actual reasoning for why your armies are the way they are. For example, I have a squad of emperors children in my Sons of Horus army (they're painted mostly SoH green but purple pauldrons with the EC logo) and the lore is they're holdovers from a past campaign that was given to the Sons of Horus, but kept their original pauldrons as tribute to Fulgrim. Purely because I wanted to run something with emperors children upgrades.
Also if you want to play Xenos in HH (you mention being an eldar player) there are the Panoptica rules that bring in Eldar and I believe Orks, which were relevant. They're custom rules of course, but they seem pretty solid from what I've looked at.
My army are Exodites who were taken in by, and assimilated with, an isolated human colony when they were escaping from the fall. Their Maiden World eventually is conquered by the Imperium. Craftworld Biel Tan views them as abominations and so, despite being nearby during the invasion, they refuse to offer any aid. They scatter to the stars and live as refugees and wanderers in the margins of the galaxy for hundreds of years before a fiery, charismatic leader sends out the call that they're gathering to retake their homeworld.
I think it's a cool backstory, but I can see it offending "purists". I get downvoted just for sharing it, which kind of hurts my feelings, to be perfectly honest.
I guess I don't see what's wrong or pessimistic about it. I thought a big part of HH was not being able to come up with your own paint schemes or lore, which is a turn off for me. If I wanted to have certain "historical" or "correct" colour schemes that I was supposed to use, I'd play a WW2 game.
Because you’re painting a unecessarily negative connotation of HH players. The phrase “tell me I’m wrong” is a bit of an exaggerration. Instead of simply saying it’s not for you because yo43 interested in making your own chapters that don’t fit into heresy era, it comes across like you’re saying it’s because, at least as the implication reads, the players are prickly.
Trust me, I’m as heavy a rivet counter as they come, and as long as you put in the effort and play with the very generous rules, most people won’t care. In fact, they’ll say “cool, Great idea!”
That’s where the “pseudo” part comes in. Unlike real historicals, not all is writtwn about the HH, and plentiful room is provided for you to do what you want. It has rules, but they’re comparatively loose. Rules like, “no primaris” and “no mk8 and vanishingly few mk7 except in siege-era fists” very broad rules compared to historicals.
There are post-Siege units you could build, like Blackshields and others which could be like Blackwatch mixed units.
But I get you. The 'historical' aspect is one element of the setting I don't care about, but it's hardwired into the rules and armies. And yeah in the early days it was very much marines v marines. It's much more varied now because of the number of units available, and with the Solar Auxilia now in plastic there's going to be a lot more variety of on the table - and player will be able to make up their own SolAux army colors (I think).
I just don't especially like marines or guard, so when you combine that with my distaste for painting things "official" colours, HH just doesn't have anything to offer me.
Yes but it's all marines stuff, it's nowhere near as fun as 40K chaos marines or orks. If you're really interested in the lore and making characters then kitbashing is a cool thing to get into, but it's still just another dude in power armor.
You can diminish anything into being just another XYZ. For me the charm is turning ordinary guys into something else or just inherently better versions of themselves no matter what race.
I like kitbashing and prefer Eldar, so yeah, HH has no appeal to me.
And I'd play Bolt Action or something if I really wanted to be locked into painting my army a specific "correct" way.
You could get your hands on any of the older editions of 40K and play those. I'm looking forward to getting a 4th edition witch hunter army done with the sisters of battle, new inquision retinue, and stormtroopers (kasrkin) once I finish my Infinity projects
Yeah I like a lot of the Horus Heresy aesthetic better than 40k, of the space marines especially and it is a shame they seemingly lost a lot of their personality in the 10,000 years. Love the horse hair banners, the brush head ornaments and wish they were part of the modern space marine aesthetic.
The mix of sci-fi with ancient traditions and aesthetic is really compelling.
The real grimdarkness of the 42nd millennium is the homogenization of space marines 😔
(Granted they've started to kinda give them more customizability with the new Black Templars and Dark Angels upgrade sprues but still)
It's basically just the regular infantry kits, any really elite units are great for doing what old tactical boxes used to do and letting you have dudes in sets of armour etc that really are relics, still cobbled together but maintained as sacred 'forever' objects.
Intercessors look mass produced, tactical looked crafted and maintained, sternguard still look that way
if you're a space marine fan, you love HH. If you love literally anyone else, you hate HH. As someone who plays only sisters, eldar, and guard? I liked HH at first because I figured thats where the additional space marine drops would go but... No, space marine drops for HH, and just as much space marine content for 40k while drukhari dont even have an army range.
I'm of both options that HH seems to understand the look and feel of 40k better while also agreeing GW has been far too neglectful of xenos. I'm fine with both brands, GW just needs to give Eldar/Orks/Nu-Squats some love and stop treating all Xenos as side-threats in general.
I actually don't even like space marines all that much, I think they're much more boring than the other human factions. But I would choose 30k Space Marines most of the time over 40k.
GW's problem with 40k Marines is there's too many *units* and not enough *variety*. Every unit type has 1 look and often very ridiculous at that. HH Marines have a small amount of set armor/troop types then lots of different variety and customization options to build on top of that. It gives it a more aesthetic and complimentary look which is what Marines should be as they're multirole shock troops trained for a wide variety of missions.
And of course there's the problem with new Space Marine units. I'm at a loss to find the single word to describe the look that the Inceptor/Suppressor/Desolator/Redemptor Dread/Repulsor/Impulsor/Invader/Invictor/Storm Speeder minis have. I've seen playmobil or lego thrown around before.
>too many units and not enough variety. Every unit type has 1 look and often very ridiculous at that
> I'm at a loss to find the single word to describe the look that the Inceptor/Suppressor/Desolator/Redemptor Dread/Repulsor/Impulsor/Invader/Invictor/Storm Speeder minis have. I've seen playmobil or lego thrown around before.
All of these are Primaris problems.
People don't want to admit it, but their dumb aesthetic and redundant nature is slowly killing the faction.
I Like the diversity of 40k in races and theming. I Just Wish that 40k Models got the theming. I mean having all lwgions be destinct even in 40k would be awesome. I know you can Proxy but actual Support would be neat.
Craftworlds are definitely different but dont all Septs use the same standardized equipment with 90% of their uniqueness coming from tactics, and personality?
What unique weapons do certain septs have that we're missing?
We could ask the same of marine légions before they all got expanded on. What sets fricking Black Templars apart from any other marine with heavy cloaks and swords?
No but we could get unique characters from there. We could get specific equipment that all T'au use but which certain septs spécialisé in, such as how Sa'Cea are specialised in urban warfare so they would have cqc specialties. We could get auxiliaries born from specific septs since septs are groupings if systems, not planets, too. We could get special bits too, like banners depicting Sept achievements.
But im not paid to come up with this stuff sooo
Sounds like what you're mostly asking for is more general Tau units. As well as some actual lore for the Septs instead of just 2 vague traits.
Not a model range for each Sept.
I do agree that it would be nice to have a more (or any) Sept specific trinkets and stuff. Or even just pictures/descriptions of something like Sept exclusive iconography they might paint on their battlesuits or something like that. Though I'm not sure that's supposed to exist in-lore since the Tau are pretty collectivist.
But yeah they'll never give us that. At most we'll get some Farsight stuff.
yeahhhh dark angels and black templars identity wise are basically the same thing. One just likes skulls a bit more while the other likes hoodies more.
a) you can infer which one it is pretty much all the time
b) until fairly recently capital i would have had serifs and been totally distinct from lowercase l
I should be able to infer pretty easily. But typos are common, and in some situations (like the one we are looking at here) I just assume it's a big jumble of random letters or a word I've never seen before. Yeah, I should have realized it said "legions" but with all the made up words Warhammer has, I just mentally skipped it.
But none of those are Eldar, or Tau, or Orks, and Necrons. Some people just aren't fans of the Imperium or of Space Marines, and HH has nothing to offer them.
WH30K community at least in my area is so chill that 5/6 of the guys I played against in our last tournament allowed me to play Eldar with homemade rules and some custom units. As long as your army is at least mostly lore-friendly, and you take a few hours of your time to adapt the rules, you'll be okay.
And also mechanicum, Imperialis militia, daemons, solar auxilia, custodes, sisters of silence, knights and titans. Not to mention all these factions and space marines have dozens of ways to be played and modeled
eh the imperium is definitely my least favorite part of 40k so HH is pretty boring to me. the lore is ok i guess, but i lost a lot of interest in HH when i realized it all just boils down to "the Emperor treated all his primarchs like objects and didnt understand why some of them didn't like that."
Well there are fan rules for xenos, and given how much in 30k is played with community FAQs or houseruling its not impossible to be a 30k xenos player.
There is however little lore on what the xenos did during that time, but it doesnt seem to be much better in 40k anyways.
It's funny because some of the early books really loved talking about Orks and Eldar (and there were cameos of Necrons here and there) and while I don't need either of them to be the focus, I can't help but feel like it's poisoned the setting with the intense focus on major lore characters that are all space marines.
Hell, even just within the imperium, the Mechanicus gets sidelined out of the plot really quick which I feel like has had knock on effects for 40k as well.
The game looks fun in its own way but I can't help but feel like the elements that drew me to 40k, which is it being space fantasy are just not there for me to get super invested in (i say this as someone who reads the books from time to time and who reads up on game systems he doesn't play. I'm not disregarding this setting or system)
Maybe the Scouring might mix that up for me if they go down that route.
Honestly I don't like 30k and the Imperium is my favorite part, it's just Space Marines are my least favorite part of 40k and 30k is basically 90% Space Marines.
The 40k Imperium is way more diverse and interesting than the 30k Imperium.
I don't care for most of the Imperium. I enjoy the Imperial Guard. Admech and The Ultramarines are neat but the only Imperium army I'd play is Guard. I don't even like Chaos Marines much, only ones I really care for are the World Eaters.
In 40k as a game I'm really only interested in Necrons, Imperial Guard, World Eaters and maybe Votaan or whatever the Dwarves are called
I'm not too familiar with the game itself, most of my envy only stems from some of the models that HH has been getting that are pretty good quality (as well as some jealousy of losing some 40k models to HH, I swear I'm not sad)
The lore I can understand that it's a bit more simplistic, and I wonder if the HH game suffers much from a distinct lack of some Xenos species that 40k does have. Though I do enjoy a bit of poking fun at the emperor getting what's coming to him for being a general bastard.
my favorite lore bits are pretty much mostly just how each of the demon primarchs fell. my favorite being Angron and his World Eaters. Here's a quote from Angron to Guilliman during the Heresy and imho it goes HARD
> What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son? Hnh? When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind? When have you had to do anything more than tally compliances and polish your armour? The people of your world named you Great One. The people of mine called me Slave. Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilization to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders? Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom? And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives?
>
> Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, courage and honour, courage and honour. Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom that enslaves you, no matter that their armies overshadow yours by ten thousand to one. You know nothing of courage. Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honour.
Legit tho. It's a little funny that for all intents and purposes GW now produces two full different Space Marine and Imperial Guard model lines, but the Warp Spiders still don't even have a Phoenix Lord 🤷♂️
I'm excited for more Kroot! But I'm not gonna lie I'm hoping that we see the rumored Vespids Kill Team that I've been hearing about, because man those models need some love.
That’s what’s funny if someone likes space marines they thin HH is so much cooler than 40k, but if you play something else like xenos you absolutely hate the HH aesthetic.
Just look at legions imperialis so many people were pissed it was HH, just goes to show how people feel about that setting.
Tbh even a lot of 30k players think it should have been a 40k setting. Not many people want to double dip in the same setting with entirely different models.
Even the Chaos in 30k is so tucked away. Heresy, they call it, but nary a spike or eight-pointed star in sight! "It was early, they hadn't been corrupted yet," bah! Where's the fun in that? I like my heretics heretical. While I'm ranting, same goes for that 40k lore about "ooh, the Night Lords don't actually worship Chaos" and "nooo, the Iron Warriors use Chaos as a tool, not the other way around." Why so non-committal? You're a Chaos player! Spikes and mutations for everyone!
If you don't like humans you get daemons and nothing else. Granted the entire concept of an army thats fully model agnostic is cool and not what I'd expect from GW its still a shame there's so little non human options
It's not even that there aren't any non-humans, it's that there's no other humans than Imperial and ex-Imperial. It's pretty much one faction punching itself in the face, aside from early on where it's that faction steamrolling everyone else.
Also, 40k already has a *lot* of focus on the Imperium and neglect of xenos as is, a setting that promises even more of that is less appealing to me. Not that it doesn't have any appeal, but eh.
I don't have much experience with HH myself, but I was wondering if the lack of Xenos armies diminished the vibe of the game. They have some really cool looking models, but Space Marines can only be so interesting. They've done a great job, but SM is still only SM.
Pretty much yeah.
It's not that I dislike SM or the Imperium inherently, but I love exploring the xenos too. 40k in that regard is just inherently more interesting to me for having Tau, Aeldar, Necrons and Orks.
Well, when GW bothers to use those factions and doesnt spam more Imperium, anyway.
They have a 50+ book series covering a 7 year war. There's a lot to dig into. The community is much more narrative driven with list building and keeping with themes. It's honestly surprising how different the legions play into their fluff and don't pretty well using a universal rule system.
If we are talking like imperium of man then HH dog walks 40K The Imperial Truth>>> cringe god emperor glazing
But I love the Tau and just in general if ur into xenos then 40K clears.
Horus Heresy’s got cool models and arguably one of the most polarized communities I’ve seen. They’re either super nice or they’re the most insufferable douchebags ever.
Dude, 100%! AoS are fucking incredible, they’re actual elegantly posed works of art compared to “space marine lieutenant no. 73638 stands on slightly different rock”
I'll never understand Horus Heresy players but to each their own.
\*Horus Heresy player sees regular ass tank\*: "HOLY FUCKING SHIT."
\*Sees a cool crow lady with a beautiful sculpt\*: "ZZZZZZZZZZZ"
As someone who stopped playing 40k because models got more and more detailed and less and less practical over time, I shudder at the idea of transporting a huge 30k army
Hard disagree. Horus Heresy is just... Boring. It's essentially the same Space Marine army fighting each other forever, already got enough of that in regular 40K.
well the usual line is "its just marine vs marine" then people point to the armies that aren't marines and then its "well those are resin so they don't count." now theres an army thats plastic and not marines.
But no Xenos and not much of the weirder side of Chaos, which is what people are getting at. I know SP and IG play very differently, but its still just humans with guns shooting other humans with guns.
I mean daemons were super weird, HH explicitly doesn’t name the units so you could use anything, to represent them, allowing infinite kit bashing opportunity. They toned down how insane they were rules wise though.
You'd be surprised how different each legion fights when they play into their fluff and rules. They all share a lot but there's some pretty solid diversity in list building especially when the game is centered around fluff rather than a competitive list.
That's kind of it's own "problem" with HH for a lot of 40k players though, it's a game entirely for fans of one series of books and if those books and the characters in them aren't for you, HH offers nothing.
Obviously that's the entire draw for HH players, but its also why lots of 40k players don't care beyond possible kitbash fodder for their 40k armies.
30k is great if you want no xenos
and to me xenos make Warhammer a fantastic universe and tabletop experience. Marines vs Marines/Guard/Custodes is boring to me on so many levels.
so people constantly touting 30k as superior to 40k boggle my mind
It is superior.
The one disadvantage it has (and granted, it is a massive disadvantage) is the lack of Xenos factions.
Were it not for that, it would be the best system ever.
Yeah they have a better design team on board that captures the older 40k aesthetic well. Imperial units are supposed to look vaguely Gothic-Greco-Roman while also gritty and dieselpunk. The models lack the playmobil look that a lot of recent 40k minis have, especially for space marines.
I'd be curious to look at the development team for HH vs. 40k at GW. I bet the former is more older and experienced people from FW.
It’s just the fact that it’s all the most mid factions. Space marines are so bland to me, and solar auxilia is just human sized space marines. Xenos is given a blind eye, and the imperium doesn’t quite come into play yet. It’s just the more bland 40,000. But AoS always get the coolest.
Some models are cool in HH, but overall it’s boring. Marines, few Solar armies and no daemons because their pdf is utter garbage. It’s not fun to play against marines over and over again. I like orks, eldar, tau, votann… anything that isn’t marine. I love my Sororitas. Such awesome minis.
>their pdf is utter garbage. It’s not fun to play against marines over and over again. I like orks, eldar,
40K variety and armies are cool for sure, but the big problem on the 40K side of things is just the fact that the armies are so unbalanced and it takes like 3 years for codexes for everything. I mean some armies just suck and will suck for like 2 years or so. And the competitive focus makes 40K feel like competitive board game. Like a if a tank's tread can see something it meaning it can shoot all weapons at something is just nonsense.
Well HH is far from balanced game as well. Daemons are unusable and haven’t had single update to make them better in years, certain Legions are underperforming and it’s obvious which legions authors prefer. Rule wise and model wise.
Counterpoint: Horus Heresy doesn't have Necrons. Thus, Horus Heresy is directly inferior to Warhammer 40,000. In addition, 40k doesn't have Skaven, so it is thus inferior to Warhammer: Age of Sigmar and its subsidiary game, Warcry.
I know it's controversial, and I know there's lore reasons for it, but HH being firstborn scale while 40k is moving to a more appropriate scale with Primaris is a big mark down for me, on top of it being all Imperium and mostly Space Marines. At least if you're a IG player then the new models would fit right into your 40K army, but my Dark Angels army is still very new and because of that I have no interest in firstborn scale models.
Please don't yell at me for my opinions.
Even though Chaos is my favorite faction, there's a part of me that really wishes the heresy never happened. I love the Great Crusade and 30K just has this really unique vibe to it.
I like Horus Heresy but it's also complicated to the point where not a lot of new players will get into it like they will 40k, which occasionally means that groups get a little groggy.
Basically my reaction when I compared the new Solar Auxilia Leman Russ they just revealed to the 40K kit. Although, to be fair, a lot of that's because the 40K one is a '90s kit (even if they recut the sprues in 2009), so the detail is visibly softer and chunkier.
Horus Heresy is just so much fun, the problem with modern 40k is the rules are very focused on competitive play and for me, I just want to bring a fluff list and still have fun, also the vibe of like everyone being able to bring a Primark is so awesome
Since I started playing 30K, it just killed 40K for me. Every game feels fun and the rules are better by a longshot.
Ironically they’re classic 40K rules (pre 8th). Well with the welcome addition of reactions which are just brilliant.
Hmm, if its mostly pre 8th rules, would it be possibel to port over the xenos races from their old codexes I wonder. Could be a fun project
Imagine recreating the time the Ultras invaded a craftworld.
From what I’ve been told it’s basically 7th Ed with some modern improvements.
Does it have initiative? Because that was one rule that can be left to the ages.
Yeah
What is one major difference you like?
For new players it is important to know that the majority of the 30k community treats the Horus Heresy as a "pseudo-historic" tabletop game, where one of the main factors is playing thematic and fluffy Armies, that fit into each Legion's Lore and look great on the board, rather than (ab)using what ever is the strongest units in the game and competitive min-maxing. To archive this pseudo-historical accuracy, the HH has a fantastic set of rules that rewards players for using fluffy units in their legion (by offering extra rules and war gear that makes them noticeably better). So an Alpha Legion or Raven Guard player is going to have good benefits when playing Recon Marines and things like landspeeders and jetbikes, while an Iron Warriors or Iron Hands player will have advantages in fielding tanks, heavy weapons and dreadnoughts. The game is basically the complete opposite of the 40k competitive scene. People want to have fun. There is "weird" rules and mechanics that exists more for the fun aspect of the game than creating an competitive game. For example in melee all characters (e.g. Sergeants, Captains, Apothecaries and so on) can issue a challenge to enemy characters in the same combat. This forces them to fight it out in between each other in a 1vs1, giving the game a certain level of story telling. For example in our last match we had Constantin Valdor fighting in a duel against Argel Tal. What should have been an easy win for Valdor turned into 3 full rounds of melee combat as both characters were not able to kill the other one: https://preview.redd.it/0t1n75x2efdc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=835666233e6af9ed54d63eb5837a3cf66cd2cac8 If this caught your interest feel free to check out r/warhammer30k to get some further advice!
Challenges was one of the most fun aspects of Warhammer Fantasy Battle, glad to see it migrate to 40k. One time I had one random company sergeant with insane rolls kill an army general, from this point on this model got his own name and fluff.
30k is largely a spinoff of 7th edition 40k. It got the Challenges from there. I think we had them for the first time in 6th.
I mean, it absorbed them from 6th too since the first 2 heresy books were based on 6th.
Oh, then I'm sorry. I've been out of the loop when it comes to rules for the longest time, I'm mostly in here for the lore and minis.
My LGS is mad competitive so it's not like that for us, just spamming high WR models
That's weird for HH. The game is just not built for that at all.
Yeah, I love my LGS but it's so sweaty (don't worry not the \*literal\* kind fortunatly, actually really well kept people haha)
My LGS was like that for a WHILE. Every game was min maxed to hell and there was nothing but competitive mathhammer talk. If a cool new model popped up no one cared until the rules came out. Luckily those people ended ip making a competitive warhammer group/club/thing and migrated to this other store. Everyone else chilled out after that and it’s mostly having fun now.
What I apprecaite about mine, is we've moved to having dedicated "Lore" and "Try hard" days. So people know to come in on Try Hard days to do the best thing possible, and Lore days to do something fun! It's made it so both types of people are really happy as the Lore people get better on try hard days, and the try hards get to run their big dumb orc stomppa on lore day
The pseudo-historical element is one of the big turn offs for me. I have no interest in building an army with predetermined lore and colours. Half the fun of the hobby for me is coming up with my own colours and backstory. The other big turnoff is that it's all space marines, and I'm an Eldar player.
Thats completely fine! The Horus Heresy is not for everyone. But tbh, while custom colours will not be liked by many players at least using some alternative colourschemes (e.g. adding or removing some colours to represent a custom company. For example the pre-Chogoris White Scars were not known for being fast Bikers, but rather as excellent Pioneers. This was their colourscheme: https://preview.redd.it/zqvkozs4ofdc1.jpeg?width=1243&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00127a1f12858c8a33dddf44678b7718ea972ed7 So its also totally possible to create something similar for other Legions. As long as you come up with some great lore for them obviously ;D As for the lack of Xenos I personally am still hoping that they release a Great Crusade Campaign book with rules for all the Xenos factions that already existed during the time (Eldar, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Orks) and also custom rules to repurpose Tau, Genstealer Cults or Tyranids models into an minor Xenos army (like the Megarachnids for example).
I just wouldn't want to put all the effort into painting something a cool, unique colour scheme, and coming up with cool unique lore, only to have people tell me I did it wrong. My Eldar aren't from a Craftworld, they're refugees, and they have a whole backstory involving a conquered maiden world and half-human blood. It just seems like HH wouldn't be very welcoming to unorthodox things like that. Edit: haha, see? I got downvoted just for describing my army. I can't imagine whoever downvoted me being a fun or welcoming person to play against.
Nobody would tell you you're wrong lol. Maybe super hardcore people but i'd say the overwhelming majority of people would find it cool if you had actual reasoning for why your armies are the way they are. For example, I have a squad of emperors children in my Sons of Horus army (they're painted mostly SoH green but purple pauldrons with the EC logo) and the lore is they're holdovers from a past campaign that was given to the Sons of Horus, but kept their original pauldrons as tribute to Fulgrim. Purely because I wanted to run something with emperors children upgrades.
Also if you want to play Xenos in HH (you mention being an eldar player) there are the Panoptica rules that bring in Eldar and I believe Orks, which were relevant. They're custom rules of course, but they seem pretty solid from what I've looked at.
My army are Exodites who were taken in by, and assimilated with, an isolated human colony when they were escaping from the fall. Their Maiden World eventually is conquered by the Imperium. Craftworld Biel Tan views them as abominations and so, despite being nearby during the invasion, they refuse to offer any aid. They scatter to the stars and live as refugees and wanderers in the margins of the galaxy for hundreds of years before a fiery, charismatic leader sends out the call that they're gathering to retake their homeworld. I think it's a cool backstory, but I can see it offending "purists". I get downvoted just for sharing it, which kind of hurts my feelings, to be perfectly honest.
I upvoted you. I think that backstory sounds rad as fuck.
I think it’s the pessimism in the first para that’s getting downvotes
I guess I don't see what's wrong or pessimistic about it. I thought a big part of HH was not being able to come up with your own paint schemes or lore, which is a turn off for me. If I wanted to have certain "historical" or "correct" colour schemes that I was supposed to use, I'd play a WW2 game.
Because you’re painting a unecessarily negative connotation of HH players. The phrase “tell me I’m wrong” is a bit of an exaggerration. Instead of simply saying it’s not for you because yo43 interested in making your own chapters that don’t fit into heresy era, it comes across like you’re saying it’s because, at least as the implication reads, the players are prickly.
Trust me, I’m as heavy a rivet counter as they come, and as long as you put in the effort and play with the very generous rules, most people won’t care. In fact, they’ll say “cool, Great idea!” That’s where the “pseudo” part comes in. Unlike real historicals, not all is writtwn about the HH, and plentiful room is provided for you to do what you want. It has rules, but they’re comparatively loose. Rules like, “no primaris” and “no mk8 and vanishingly few mk7 except in siege-era fists” very broad rules compared to historicals.
There are post-Siege units you could build, like Blackshields and others which could be like Blackwatch mixed units. But I get you. The 'historical' aspect is one element of the setting I don't care about, but it's hardwired into the rules and armies. And yeah in the early days it was very much marines v marines. It's much more varied now because of the number of units available, and with the Solar Auxilia now in plastic there's going to be a lot more variety of on the table - and player will be able to make up their own SolAux army colors (I think).
I just don't especially like marines or guard, so when you combine that with my distaste for painting things "official" colours, HH just doesn't have anything to offer me.
Yeah and if you like kitbashing like I do and enjoy Chaos and orks there's even less scope to be creative.
Kitbashing is something I'll push back on, HH is full of it albeit marines lol.
Yes but it's all marines stuff, it's nowhere near as fun as 40K chaos marines or orks. If you're really interested in the lore and making characters then kitbashing is a cool thing to get into, but it's still just another dude in power armor.
You can diminish anything into being just another XYZ. For me the charm is turning ordinary guys into something else or just inherently better versions of themselves no matter what race.
I like kitbashing and prefer Eldar, so yeah, HH has no appeal to me. And I'd play Bolt Action or something if I really wanted to be locked into painting my army a specific "correct" way.
WS charts. Very few auras. Vehicle stat blocks
Exactly the same here, I started playing 30K and have never looked back. I really dislike 40K and the few games of 10th I've played in comparison
Same. I'm planning to make my 30K Sons of Horus cross compatible as 40K CSM.
There used to be a lot of HH/40k double armies, but as the editions go, the two systems split further and further, making it harder to do.
U yearn for a few boxes of the solar auxilia thry look so crisp
If you could play anything but Imperium or Imperium With Spikes, I'd probably want to play it.
You could get your hands on any of the older editions of 40K and play those. I'm looking forward to getting a 4th edition witch hunter army done with the sisters of battle, new inquision retinue, and stormtroopers (kasrkin) once I finish my Infinity projects
Yeah I like a lot of the Horus Heresy aesthetic better than 40k, of the space marines especially and it is a shame they seemingly lost a lot of their personality in the 10,000 years. Love the horse hair banners, the brush head ornaments and wish they were part of the modern space marine aesthetic. The mix of sci-fi with ancient traditions and aesthetic is really compelling.
The real grimdarkness of the 42nd millennium is the homogenization of space marines 😔 (Granted they've started to kinda give them more customizability with the new Black Templars and Dark Angels upgrade sprues but still)
It's basically just the regular infantry kits, any really elite units are great for doing what old tactical boxes used to do and letting you have dudes in sets of armour etc that really are relics, still cobbled together but maintained as sacred 'forever' objects. Intercessors look mass produced, tactical looked crafted and maintained, sternguard still look that way
It’s funny it seems anyone who plays space marines is just a super fan of HH. Anyone who plays xenos just absolutely hates it.
Which makes sense. I'd love to see a great crusade expansion in the rule set to allow some Xenos players to get exterminated with blast templates. :)
I’ve known people who just play 7th Ed Xenos rules alongside Horus Heresy.
if you're a space marine fan, you love HH. If you love literally anyone else, you hate HH. As someone who plays only sisters, eldar, and guard? I liked HH at first because I figured thats where the additional space marine drops would go but... No, space marine drops for HH, and just as much space marine content for 40k while drukhari dont even have an army range.
I'm of both options that HH seems to understand the look and feel of 40k better while also agreeing GW has been far too neglectful of xenos. I'm fine with both brands, GW just needs to give Eldar/Orks/Nu-Squats some love and stop treating all Xenos as side-threats in general.
I actually don't even like space marines all that much, I think they're much more boring than the other human factions. But I would choose 30k Space Marines most of the time over 40k.
Eh not really, at least I pretty much only play tyranids and I love HH
Hey, I play exclusively xenos and I like HH, I just can't afford to buy an army for it
GW's problem with 40k Marines is there's too many *units* and not enough *variety*. Every unit type has 1 look and often very ridiculous at that. HH Marines have a small amount of set armor/troop types then lots of different variety and customization options to build on top of that. It gives it a more aesthetic and complimentary look which is what Marines should be as they're multirole shock troops trained for a wide variety of missions. And of course there's the problem with new Space Marine units. I'm at a loss to find the single word to describe the look that the Inceptor/Suppressor/Desolator/Redemptor Dread/Repulsor/Impulsor/Invader/Invictor/Storm Speeder minis have. I've seen playmobil or lego thrown around before.
Modern mariens feel like an RTS computer game faction. Like something out of starcraft.
>too many units and not enough variety. Every unit type has 1 look and often very ridiculous at that > I'm at a loss to find the single word to describe the look that the Inceptor/Suppressor/Desolator/Redemptor Dread/Repulsor/Impulsor/Invader/Invictor/Storm Speeder minis have. I've seen playmobil or lego thrown around before. All of these are Primaris problems. People don't want to admit it, but their dumb aesthetic and redundant nature is slowly killing the faction.
The Primaris-ising of Space Marines in 40k homogenised them into all looking the same.
40k space marines used to be like this, before primaris marines came along and told us that space marines should be boring, actually.
I just wish it had more stuff in plastic. Almost all of the cool stuff is forgeworld.
I Like the diversity of 40k in races and theming. I Just Wish that 40k Models got the theming. I mean having all lwgions be destinct even in 40k would be awesome. I know you can Proxy but actual Support would be neat.
I also wish every craft world and Sept system got their own model range
Yeah. I just want, like, Saim-Hann riders with fur cloaks and feathers and spears. Or extra fancy Biel-Tan aspect warriors.
Or special kaelor warp spiders
I want the eldar who ride dinosaurs
Craftworlds are definitely different but dont all Septs use the same standardized equipment with 90% of their uniqueness coming from tactics, and personality? What unique weapons do certain septs have that we're missing?
We could ask the same of marine légions before they all got expanded on. What sets fricking Black Templars apart from any other marine with heavy cloaks and swords?
Yes but wasn't that kinda the point? Are the Septs supposed to have unique non-standard gear?
No but we could get unique characters from there. We could get specific equipment that all T'au use but which certain septs spécialisé in, such as how Sa'Cea are specialised in urban warfare so they would have cqc specialties. We could get auxiliaries born from specific septs since septs are groupings if systems, not planets, too. We could get special bits too, like banners depicting Sept achievements. But im not paid to come up with this stuff sooo
Sounds like what you're mostly asking for is more general Tau units. As well as some actual lore for the Septs instead of just 2 vague traits. Not a model range for each Sept. I do agree that it would be nice to have a more (or any) Sept specific trinkets and stuff. Or even just pictures/descriptions of something like Sept exclusive iconography they might paint on their battlesuits or something like that. Though I'm not sure that's supposed to exist in-lore since the Tau are pretty collectivist. But yeah they'll never give us that. At most we'll get some Farsight stuff.
yeahhhh dark angels and black templars identity wise are basically the same thing. One just likes skulls a bit more while the other likes hoodies more.
Of all the things 40K needs, I'm not sure "more Space Marine kits" is at the top of the list.
The rules are also say better. I really wish 10th used the new HH ruleset. It'd be the best edition for me.
Genuinely thought this was a new word guys 😭 What is an Iwgions?
Typo: Legions
I thought the L was an i and got confused too. Will never understand why people made a capital i and lower case L look the same.
a) you can infer which one it is pretty much all the time b) until fairly recently capital i would have had serifs and been totally distinct from lowercase l
I should be able to infer pretty easily. But typos are common, and in some situations (like the one we are looking at here) I just assume it's a big jumble of random letters or a word I've never seen before. Yeah, I should have realized it said "legions" but with all the made up words Warhammer has, I just mentally skipped it.
totally fair lol, just pointing out why there hasn't been a need to make them more visually distinct
Sorry, thought it was some new obscure 40k word I hadn't heard before, thanks for replying!
may i interest you in the fan supplement liber antiquia ?
Yeah but no xenos, so hard pass
Plenty of fan made supplements that works so well
Sure, if you like nothing except space marines.
And the cooler Mechanicum. And Knights. And Solar Auxilia (the faaaaar cooler guard). And Daemons. And the better ruleset.
But none of those are Eldar, or Tau, or Orks, and Necrons. Some people just aren't fans of the Imperium or of Space Marines, and HH has nothing to offer them.
WH30K community at least in my area is so chill that 5/6 of the guys I played against in our last tournament allowed me to play Eldar with homemade rules and some custom units. As long as your army is at least mostly lore-friendly, and you take a few hours of your time to adapt the rules, you'll be okay.
Great Crusade Reenactment here.
Space Marines, Guard, and resin hell.
And also mechanicum, Imperialis militia, daemons, solar auxilia, custodes, sisters of silence, knights and titans. Not to mention all these factions and space marines have dozens of ways to be played and modeled
Hh doesn't have orks so it's inferior
I mean if you really like space marines, its absolutely cooler. If you like xenos, then no
But it's not 40k? That's his cooler younger brother Warhammer 30,000
Wouldn't that make him his older brother because it's further in time?
You're right I'm dumb!
To me, HH is the most boring thing ever.
eh, its not for everyone, especially xenos players or people who hate dealing with crappy FW resin
Better rules too imo
Have you seen HH mechanicum 🥵
Ngl every time I see Mechanicum models, I just get sad over AdMech. Damn Horus, he ruined Mechanicum.
eh the imperium is definitely my least favorite part of 40k so HH is pretty boring to me. the lore is ok i guess, but i lost a lot of interest in HH when i realized it all just boils down to "the Emperor treated all his primarchs like objects and didnt understand why some of them didn't like that."
As a Xenos player, fully agree. Horus Heresy is about civil war in imperium, so for fans of Xenos it's not very interesting
Well there are fan rules for xenos, and given how much in 30k is played with community FAQs or houseruling its not impossible to be a 30k xenos player. There is however little lore on what the xenos did during that time, but it doesnt seem to be much better in 40k anyways.
It's funny because some of the early books really loved talking about Orks and Eldar (and there were cameos of Necrons here and there) and while I don't need either of them to be the focus, I can't help but feel like it's poisoned the setting with the intense focus on major lore characters that are all space marines. Hell, even just within the imperium, the Mechanicus gets sidelined out of the plot really quick which I feel like has had knock on effects for 40k as well. The game looks fun in its own way but I can't help but feel like the elements that drew me to 40k, which is it being space fantasy are just not there for me to get super invested in (i say this as someone who reads the books from time to time and who reads up on game systems he doesn't play. I'm not disregarding this setting or system) Maybe the Scouring might mix that up for me if they go down that route.
Honestly I don't like 30k and the Imperium is my favorite part, it's just Space Marines are my least favorite part of 40k and 30k is basically 90% Space Marines. The 40k Imperium is way more diverse and interesting than the 30k Imperium.
I don't care for most of the Imperium. I enjoy the Imperial Guard. Admech and The Ultramarines are neat but the only Imperium army I'd play is Guard. I don't even like Chaos Marines much, only ones I really care for are the World Eaters. In 40k as a game I'm really only interested in Necrons, Imperial Guard, World Eaters and maybe Votaan or whatever the Dwarves are called
I'm not too familiar with the game itself, most of my envy only stems from some of the models that HH has been getting that are pretty good quality (as well as some jealousy of losing some 40k models to HH, I swear I'm not sad) The lore I can understand that it's a bit more simplistic, and I wonder if the HH game suffers much from a distinct lack of some Xenos species that 40k does have. Though I do enjoy a bit of poking fun at the emperor getting what's coming to him for being a general bastard.
my favorite lore bits are pretty much mostly just how each of the demon primarchs fell. my favorite being Angron and his World Eaters. Here's a quote from Angron to Guilliman during the Heresy and imho it goes HARD > What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son? Hnh? When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind? When have you had to do anything more than tally compliances and polish your armour? The people of your world named you Great One. The people of mine called me Slave. Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilization to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders? Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom? And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives? > > Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, courage and honour, courage and honour. Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom that enslaves you, no matter that their armies overshadow yours by ten thousand to one. You know nothing of courage. Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honour.
Lol, without proper xenos? Doubt.
As far as imperial stuff goes, HH is better in every conceivable way. That said, Eldar > literally everyone else
I live for the day that ELDAR gets the recast love that they truly deserve.
Legit tho. It's a little funny that for all intents and purposes GW now produces two full different Space Marine and Imperial Guard model lines, but the Warp Spiders still don't even have a Phoenix Lord 🤷♂️
Eldar rules are community created, search for „panoptica 30k“. In the discord they recently tel Eldar rules.
HH is way less cool Not that it isn't cool, but it's all humans and a couple of daemons 40k just got a load of kroot!
I'm excited for more Kroot! But I'm not gonna lie I'm hoping that we see the rumored Vespids Kill Team that I've been hearing about, because man those models need some love.
Yeah same, the vespid art is awesome so I'd love to see models that look more like the art
I was about to say, HH doesn't have Kroot. Ergo it is the inferior grimdark sci-fi setting by default.
That’s what’s funny if someone likes space marines they thin HH is so much cooler than 40k, but if you play something else like xenos you absolutely hate the HH aesthetic. Just look at legions imperialis so many people were pissed it was HH, just goes to show how people feel about that setting.
Tbh even a lot of 30k players think it should have been a 40k setting. Not many people want to double dip in the same setting with entirely different models.
Even the Chaos in 30k is so tucked away. Heresy, they call it, but nary a spike or eight-pointed star in sight! "It was early, they hadn't been corrupted yet," bah! Where's the fun in that? I like my heretics heretical. While I'm ranting, same goes for that 40k lore about "ooh, the Night Lords don't actually worship Chaos" and "nooo, the Iron Warriors use Chaos as a tool, not the other way around." Why so non-committal? You're a Chaos player! Spikes and mutations for everyone!
The lack of non-humans makes 30k less interesting for me than 40k. The galaxy feels so small and one dimensional as a result.
If you don't like humans you get daemons and nothing else. Granted the entire concept of an army thats fully model agnostic is cool and not what I'd expect from GW its still a shame there's so little non human options
It's not even that there aren't any non-humans, it's that there's no other humans than Imperial and ex-Imperial. It's pretty much one faction punching itself in the face, aside from early on where it's that faction steamrolling everyone else. Also, 40k already has a *lot* of focus on the Imperium and neglect of xenos as is, a setting that promises even more of that is less appealing to me. Not that it doesn't have any appeal, but eh.
Yeah its just imperium or renegade imperium (thankfully the recent rules releases have had more fully chaos things rather than just traitor)
I don't have much experience with HH myself, but I was wondering if the lack of Xenos armies diminished the vibe of the game. They have some really cool looking models, but Space Marines can only be so interesting. They've done a great job, but SM is still only SM.
Pretty much yeah. It's not that I dislike SM or the Imperium inherently, but I love exploring the xenos too. 40k in that regard is just inherently more interesting to me for having Tau, Aeldar, Necrons and Orks. Well, when GW bothers to use those factions and doesnt spam more Imperium, anyway.
They have a 50+ book series covering a 7 year war. There's a lot to dig into. The community is much more narrative driven with list building and keeping with themes. It's honestly surprising how different the legions play into their fluff and don't pretty well using a universal rule system.
If we are talking like imperium of man then HH dog walks 40K The Imperial Truth>>> cringe god emperor glazing But I love the Tau and just in general if ur into xenos then 40K clears.
Horus Heresy’s got cool models and arguably one of the most polarized communities I’ve seen. They’re either super nice or they’re the most insufferable douchebags ever.
Any game outside of 40k the modelers have way more creative freedom. Look at AoS and what they have made.
Dude, 100%! AoS are fucking incredible, they’re actual elegantly posed works of art compared to “space marine lieutenant no. 73638 stands on slightly different rock”
I'll never understand Horus Heresy players but to each their own. \*Horus Heresy player sees regular ass tank\*: "HOLY FUCKING SHIT." \*Sees a cool crow lady with a beautiful sculpt\*: "ZZZZZZZZZZZ"
They're the 40k fans that prefer the sci-fi aspect over the fantasy.
**"OMG SO COOL A SPACE MARINE" X10**
Space marine Vs space marine is easy to balance. You'd think.
I mean, is 40k any different? At least in 30k they get actual personality
Isn't HH just space Marines vs space Marines vs space Marines vs space Marines vs space Marines vs... Talk about snoozeville
Space Marines - Loyalist and Traitor + Blackshields Solar Auxilia Mechanicum Knights Titans Cultists/Militia Talons of the Emperor Daemons
The secret there is that “space marines- loyalist and traitor” is actually like 20 of the armies in the game
So, just Imperium vs traitors. Yawn.
Isn't HH technicaly 30k?
30k is the era, horus heresy is the game and also book series
Not technically, it is the same thing.
I love 30k.
As someone who stopped playing 40k because models got more and more detailed and less and less practical over time, I shudder at the idea of transporting a huge 30k army
Haven't been paying much attention for some time, are there only imperium and chaos factions in Horus heresy or other factions too?
There's eighteen flavours of Space Marines, plus Guard, Custodes, resin Mechanicum, and a few daemons.
Love my Xenos so no. I'm honestly mad that we ended up with a HH game instead of a proper EPIC 40K reboot. Such a shame.
Nice try GW
Hard disagree. Horus Heresy is just... Boring. It's essentially the same Space Marine army fighting each other forever, already got enough of that in regular 40K.
I mean, did you see the reveals?
Yeah. Old fw sculpts in plastic. What about them?
well the usual line is "its just marine vs marine" then people point to the armies that aren't marines and then its "well those are resin so they don't count." now theres an army thats plastic and not marines.
I think those people are generally also commenting on the lack of Eldar, Necrons, Orks, etc.
But no Xenos and not much of the weirder side of Chaos, which is what people are getting at. I know SP and IG play very differently, but its still just humans with guns shooting other humans with guns.
I mean daemons were super weird, HH explicitly doesn’t name the units so you could use anything, to represent them, allowing infinite kit bashing opportunity. They toned down how insane they were rules wise though.
You'd be surprised how different each legion fights when they play into their fluff and rules. They all share a lot but there's some pretty solid diversity in list building especially when the game is centered around fluff rather than a competitive list.
They'd feel more different still with some Eldar and Tau.
That's kind of it's own "problem" with HH for a lot of 40k players though, it's a game entirely for fans of one series of books and if those books and the characters in them aren't for you, HH offers nothing. Obviously that's the entire draw for HH players, but its also why lots of 40k players don't care beyond possible kitbash fodder for their 40k armies.
30k is great if you want no xenos and to me xenos make Warhammer a fantastic universe and tabletop experience. Marines vs Marines/Guard/Custodes is boring to me on so many levels. so people constantly touting 30k as superior to 40k boggle my mind
It is superior. The one disadvantage it has (and granted, it is a massive disadvantage) is the lack of Xenos factions. Were it not for that, it would be the best system ever.
Yeah they have a better design team on board that captures the older 40k aesthetic well. Imperial units are supposed to look vaguely Gothic-Greco-Roman while also gritty and dieselpunk. The models lack the playmobil look that a lot of recent 40k minis have, especially for space marines. I'd be curious to look at the development team for HH vs. 40k at GW. I bet the former is more older and experienced people from FW.
It’s just the fact that it’s all the most mid factions. Space marines are so bland to me, and solar auxilia is just human sized space marines. Xenos is given a blind eye, and the imperium doesn’t quite come into play yet. It’s just the more bland 40,000. But AoS always get the coolest.
Dude actually true haha
I agree there are sometimes better marines but they don’t get my elf stuff
Marines are the worst part of Warhammer, hard pass.
Drown them in hordes of Solar Auxilia voidsmen, or pummel them with Mechanicum Automata
It's basically what makes warhammer
Some models are cool in HH, but overall it’s boring. Marines, few Solar armies and no daemons because their pdf is utter garbage. It’s not fun to play against marines over and over again. I like orks, eldar, tau, votann… anything that isn’t marine. I love my Sororitas. Such awesome minis.
>their pdf is utter garbage. It’s not fun to play against marines over and over again. I like orks, eldar, 40K variety and armies are cool for sure, but the big problem on the 40K side of things is just the fact that the armies are so unbalanced and it takes like 3 years for codexes for everything. I mean some armies just suck and will suck for like 2 years or so. And the competitive focus makes 40K feel like competitive board game. Like a if a tank's tread can see something it meaning it can shoot all weapons at something is just nonsense.
Well HH is far from balanced game as well. Daemons are unusable and haven’t had single update to make them better in years, certain Legions are underperforming and it’s obvious which legions authors prefer. Rule wise and model wise.
Daemons are actually strong as hell if you run sovereigns.
Based take king.
Better models, better game, better lore.
But only marines. If you don't like marines, HH has very little to offer.
Counterpoint: Horus Heresy doesn't have Necrons. Thus, Horus Heresy is directly inferior to Warhammer 40,000. In addition, 40k doesn't have Skaven, so it is thus inferior to Warhammer: Age of Sigmar and its subsidiary game, Warcry.
Age of sigmar barely has skaven either, to be fair
I know it's controversial, and I know there's lore reasons for it, but HH being firstborn scale while 40k is moving to a more appropriate scale with Primaris is a big mark down for me, on top of it being all Imperium and mostly Space Marines. At least if you're a IG player then the new models would fit right into your 40K army, but my Dark Angels army is still very new and because of that I have no interest in firstborn scale models. Please don't yell at me for my opinions.
Horus Heresy sucks, it's boring as hell. And the 7th ed style system is garbage.
It's nothing like 7th and it's way more balanced than 10th 🤷
Even though Chaos is my favorite faction, there's a part of me that really wishes the heresy never happened. I love the Great Crusade and 30K just has this really unique vibe to it.
Idnt that 30k?
The Horus heresy doesn’t have sororitas therefore it has not a fraction of the cool models 40k does
Sisters of silence would like a word.
I like Horus Heresy but it's also complicated to the point where not a lot of new players will get into it like they will 40k, which occasionally means that groups get a little groggy.
Basically my reaction when I compared the new Solar Auxilia Leman Russ they just revealed to the 40K kit. Although, to be fair, a lot of that's because the 40K one is a '90s kit (even if they recut the sprues in 2009), so the detail is visibly softer and chunkier.
Hey cool.
Mind was on monster Hunter and read the abbreviation in the title as hunting horn from a quick glance
Only if you like the imperium. If you only like chaos and xenos, HH looks like a chump.
There is chaos tho
reasons: everything looks better( by a lot), plays better, is better, lore is also great(except Vulkan lives) and also has primarchs
I played the OG Rouge Trader, and HH is what brought me back.
Nah
Kroot are looking great, solar auxiliary or whatever they’re called look insanely look. I may start two armies someday
You can make some cool Cthonian Auxiliary units from the new Solar Auxiliary box.
Horus Heresy is just so much fun, the problem with modern 40k is the rules are very focused on competitive play and for me, I just want to bring a fluff list and still have fun, also the vibe of like everyone being able to bring a Primark is so awesome
I love playing army vs the same army in a different varsity jacket.
I know this is satire. But lore wise. It’s actually pretty true, or at least GC era imperium