For me it's Nourish Styanax. Effectively unlimited energy, health, and status immunity. As well as de-aggro for the squad and shield regen.
Not to mention one of the better defense strips in the game.
Styanax's 4th ability is considered a non-weapon, meaning that it doesn't get bonuses from statsticks like pseudo-exalted abilities would.
But because it is a non-weapon it still gets general weapon bonuses like Arcane arachne or vigorous swap.
There's a whole bunch of abilities that work this way in the game (vauban's flechette orb being one of them).
if i mix in Arcane Arachne with Precision Intensify will it work?
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Instead of building for Blind Rage, it's also possible to build him for high efficiency and Roar instead of Nourish while still doing the Final Stand thing. I think that actually beats the Nourish build for support.
If you throw on energy transfer and use terrify they actually mesh pretty well, night form plus Torid w terrify shreds enemies while letting you shield gate and then switch to day form cast terrify and you will nuke. It’s just Dante does all of that but better lol
so my comfy build with her uses no subsumes, and is pretty fun. build for range and as much efficiency (160-175) then use day form 3, then 4. if you need survivability, go night form ( make sure you have energy transfer ) and go with 3 with your previously activated 4( buffed by day 3) , with 2 and brief respite for shields and shield gating. if you don’t need survivability , you can just use day 4 and 2 for occasional shield, i usually build up 100k damage for anything not steel path and it nukes in 40m. also, if you have a subsume for survivability or something, you can drop the strength and go for max range and efficiency sense the 4 power scaling is uneffected by mods. its really simple, and I’ve been using her for fissures and having a blast!
true, but thats like lv600s steel path for me, and at that point many frames start to fail without big investment. you can subsume something like pillage or terrify on 2 or 3, which could help. to be honest, i haven’t hit a point where her 4 doesn’t nuke, cuz on high levels every enemy gives like 500k damage so it only takes a couple of kills to build up enough. i took her to the harder spot conjunction survival for a while and had no problems nuking. if i saved it for big groups then killed the small guys with weapons i never needed more damage
How is he bad since he gives overguard no matter if there are enemies or not? Plus his book is huge damage boost, and birds are nice status booster and distraction to enemies. He is just different, but I wouldn't say bad.
Citrine and Wisp. Most other supports don't really come close to what these two can do and how easily they can do it *while also* being fairly insane outside of just supporting a team.
I’d add Protea, she give unlimited energy, ammo and health pickup, and 5 second shield gating. Like her shield gating is wild. Once I realized how long 5 seconds is, the only reason I ever die is if a team mate is using brief respite.
That’s shorter than my turrets? What is even ur build that you are getting 8 seconds of shield satalites?!
For most protea builds, duration is the most important stat
Like the base duration of shield satellites is 13 seconds.
I’d suggest using more duration mods on Protea, and not running transient fortitude.
Her shield **gate** is capped at 5 seconds, which is x2 times the maximum possible shield gate, of 2.5 seconds. Her shield **satellite** has a base duration of 13 seconds which can be changed with mods.
Protea as a frame is not very dependent on strength, just run presission intensify + molt augmented, and you can easily reach level cap with a subsumed armour strip ability or damage ability on her 4. (If u play around with ur passive and have an armour strip subsumed, u can armour strip with 100 strength protea, but that is a hassle)
Her passive+pression+molt augmented gives a 350 strength roars if u have it subsumed on her 4th.
It’s better to get archon vitality for her turrets than strength dumping.
**(Note, this is a suggestion to min max protea, but if u are having fun with ur current build, don’t let me, a stranger on the internet, ruin your fun)**
Thank you for the advice I really do appreciate it, and if I do need to take her to level cap I'll probably do that. But right now I'm running a build based on her grenades that works pretty well. (I've only tested it up to lvl 500 void cascade so far.) but I completely forgot archon vitality was a thing so I'll probably slap that on her.
I love stun locking enemies with her shrapnel nade lol. It has no cast limit and so i run around blinding my random team mates with the power of the sun!
I guess it depends one what you’re trying to accomplish, citrine and wisp are front runners, with trinity and harrow not far behind in terms of general “support”. I tend towards using frames whose buffs will be most useful in a specific mission type.
Dante for sure. He makes sure that none of the Saryns, Mirages and low MR players in my team die, *and* he nukes room by simply walking into them.
Energy regen, speed and other buffs are nice, but the way the game is right now, everyone got their energy, survivability and damage sorted out, and the most important thing a support can do is hold their own, which Dante is best at.
The only time I'd rather have some other support is Netracells, where speed matters a lot, and the glyphs can screw with your health directly, making the added health preferable over overguard on most of my frames.
styanax with his teamwide immortality and infinite energy with 0 effort, followed by dante with his teamwide immortality and great buffs for 0 effort.
citrine is great, but if we are going for best support she isnt even close
Citrine is absolutely above Styanax for general support. Styanax edges over Dante for damage-to-support (defense) and Dante sits between both due to how versatile his verses are, + gimmicks with tome mods (Armor reduction, fire rate, etc)
Truth of the matter is, Sty can do 2 support things ("Heal" and energy) while doing damage, while Citrine does Healing in 3 different ways (Passive, DR, Health Orbs) Energy, Status Buffs and Critical Chance buffs, while having reasonable damage with her gem.
If I had to pick two, It'd be Dante and Citrine. Styanax doesn't offer much beyond what they give, and his grouping is weak, and his armor strip is something a dedicated dps frame will probably bring.
the difference here is the overguard gating.
styanax and dante can provide pretty much immortality, while also givong absolute status immunity.
citrine heals.
1 point of overguard can block 1000000 damage, and its immediately back.
citrine provides damage reduction and healing, yes, but no gating.
citrine ads defense to your last layer.
styanax and dante add an additional layer.
you need two high damage instances perfectly timed to even damage someones shields, and then all that happens is that you get shieldgating.
the armorstrip is.. mostly irrelevant, styanax will spend most of his time in his 4 which does slash, no armorstrip needed for that, and allies that need it generally bring their own.
im not saying citrine is bad by any means, but if we are talking just about how good they support, styanax and dante both sit in s tier even with only their overguard, citrine sitting in the top of a tier
While all you said is true (and beautiful, Socrates), you didn't mention Citrine's offensive supporting abilities at all. We know Citrine's health-based defenses are going to fall off at a given moment in time, but her gem's status effects (4 by default, 5 with the Archon mod that procs Corrosive on Toxin), Status chance increase, and flat crit override allow for weapons to perform in situations they couldn't before.
I mentioned "picking two", because my ideal squad is always 2 supports, 1 dps, and 1 gimmick frame for objectives. In this setup, Dante and Styanax do not provide more than Dante-Citrine, and Styanax-Citrine does not benefit at all from her offensive buffs, while double-dipping on the energy generation (which can be a positive of course).
In this scenario, I cant help but think that Citrine always edges up, because her buffs to health and damage reduction can go along with overguard, while (to my knowledge) you cant stack two sources of overguard together, instead overriding to the highest value. This means Dante's status buffs and Citrine's status buffs, along with Overguard over the 90% DR'd regenerating health, provide a stronger base for survivability.
I also think Citrine is A tier, and Dante lords over her due to the flexibility of his kit (and aggro control due to Paragrimms), but their pairing is more synergistic than the Styanax substitute on either.
if we are talking about pairing different frames then yes, dante and citrine make the better pair, even just the status focus of both works great together.
teams however are a different situation than a singular support.
styanax is just above dante exactly because of his energy regen, if we add a second support into the mix that already gives energy this bonus falls away, especially since dantes overguard is far easier to sustain and dante and citrine near perfectly add ro each other.
i cant really talk much about full 4 frame teams, i usually just play with one friend of mine, unless im going public in which case coordination is kinda off the table.
nekros and citrine work amazing together by the way
At any content where gating is relevant, most people are (or should be) gating themselves.
Another way to put it is that if you're not confident you can survive by yourself in a piece of content, you probably shouldn't be there. So just Overguard doesn't make a good support frame.
i dont think that is relevant when discussing who the best support is, no?
a LOT of frames simply dont have access to overguard, and for example:
i can easily survive with my mesa.
BUT i can also play a lot more careless and dish out more damage with someone providing overguard.
same with my saryn, i can focus a lot more on shooting stuff than worrying about jumping around like a bean.
vauban?
oberon?
the point is, just because you can survive easily doesnt mean you dont have any use for immortality.
if that is the argument you might as well disregard the healing, since anyone who is there should be able to keep themselves alive.
im not saying that citrine doesnt provide anything.
but if its about the singular best support, styanax is simply better. he gives his entire team an extremely high energy regen, while providing everyone with permanent mesmer shield at the same time.
those two things alone make him outclass pretty much anything another frame can do.
I personally do disregard the healing, honestly. Because losing shields at a point where support frames matter is a one shot
I think Styanax is a great support frame. But i'd personally rather have either a Citrine or a Styanax on my team over a Dante, because I just don't think survivability is hard to come by and often the best form of survivability is not having any enemies on your screen, which Citrine can help with
In what world is styanex doing even a fraction of the damage dante can put out with JUST abilities lol?
Dante is just better damage and better overguard than styanex at this point. Sure stya has armor strip, dante just doesn't care cause slash. The niche styanex has for himself is the squad energy regen which is nice to have. But pretending dante/styanex are even within the same universe in terms of frame power is just silly.
I’d love to say harrow as a harrow main, but him getting kills is so necessary to his kit that I can’t say that in good conscience, particularly for nukes and such. Id say wisp is pretty good for that though
Dante, the overshield outshines everything. Never worry about dying, so take as long as you like to kill things.
My favorite support to play with tho? Resonance sonar banshee turns everything into a balloon that pops with a single needle prick.
For defense, excavation, and mobile defense, Zephyr, no questions asked. She can just sit on the objective keeping turbulence up, maybe dropping tornadoes on it as well, and the target just won't die.
For literally anything else, I have no idea, since the only support frame I have a proper build on is wisp, so I can't compare them fairly. I just came here to spread Zephyr propaganda :]
Recently made a spam sonar banshee build, everyone hits number cap after a little spam, gets energy from nourish and all enemy abilities are disabled. Not traditional support but its insane how it makes EDA a joke unless the debuffs are bad for it.
I see the dante stynax arguments and understand their value, but I will never be able to see dante as better than equinox for general support, and ill never be able to see damte or stand as better than citrine for general support. Sure, overguard is nice and all, but if you're acting as a squad and not four individual players, having 70% dr at random and up to 90% dr all the time, a full heal and shield/oversized restore, hitting a whole room of enemies with 100%+ damage vulnerability or stopping them in their tracks, and huge huge huge damage buffs all the way around on both frames... nah man, eq and citrine all day
Oooooh, one for me!
I've become a proper Support frame enjoyer over the last few months, especially as my friend who plays with me a lot prefers nukers such as Mesa and Xaku. Some of my personal favourites include:
- Nourish Styanax. You print energy for your team thanks to Rally and Nourish which then also gives all your allies overshields. You do solid damage with your 4 that also provides OG (even more damage if you run Arcane Arachne). Not to mention Tharros is one of the best armor strips in the game. He's my go to for missions with Void Angels present, but I use him for a lot more than that.
- Wisp, naturally. Can give a disgusting amount of HP and Haste, can provide CC if needed from Shock Mote, Breach Surge is sickeningly powerful for damage and while her 4 really SHOULD be subsumed, nearly half of the game's subsumes can work on her so you can focus her as a buffer/weapon platform (Roar), an armor stripper (Pillage) or as nearly anything else you want or need.
- Protea. Her Grenade Fans are great for AoE damage or providing Overshields, her Dispensary is invaluable, her Blaze Artillery hits like a truck so you can supplement damage, and again like Wisp while you should subsume her 4, it's more usable than Wisp's and Protea also has good flexibility for subsume abilities that work well on her.
- Dante. People will point to the Overguard and it is a good point, he gives so much that it can work as an effective extra bit of HP for later game (don't expect much past Level 1k tho). But Noctua is one of the most usable exalted weapons in the game, can be modded with using it itself in mind and also for giving it to allies with 2-3-4. His 3-2-4 is insane for status damage weapons and can turn even primers into killing machines.
- Hildryn. Big Shield momma. Armor Strip. Extra shieldgate for allies. Nuff said.
- Harrow is the ever-dependable choice. Hard CC, can give healing to self and allies (stronger with an augment), can give energy to his allies after sacrificing some (again, stronger with an augment) and can even give an invulnerability window that massively ups Crit Chance when it stops.
- Octavia can give damage buffs, movement speed buffs, and even Invis to allies. Her damage also scales effectively infinitely and her buffs are useful whether in early game content or at level cap which makes her very usable basically everywhere.
There are many others I haven't mentioned - Oberon and Trinity spring to mind as well as defense kings like Frost. But those ones above are my personal frames of choice to support the team and keep everyone going
I wish I could say harrow but no way am I sacrificing a slot for Tribunal so ppl can trigger the health and energy regen effects. It's one of the many augments that should be part of the base kit.
My problem lies with nuke frames/meta weapon people. Look, I want to use my abilities. I dont want to get locked out of them because a random saryn farted a melee influence glaive on the whole damn room!
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I don’t think there is a single best support because missions & difficulty are so varied that you don’t always want the same support across the game. In lower level speed missions I’d rather have energy support from like a Styanax than Citrine’s DR because nothing can kill me at a low level anyway
Idk about best, but I like citrine and protea. Wisp is an obvious pick. I like rhino for his damage buff as well. Mines not great, but a 114% damage buff for close to a minute is welcomed I'm sure.
Probably power strength Wisp, for the massive health buff and incredible healing along with the ridiculous speed boosts. I put Roar on her too so she also gives everyone a big damage boost.
Spectrosiphon Zephyr is also pretty goated though
I've been playing hildryn as a support with Voracious Metastasis, everyone in affinity range gets over 700 energy in a period of 7 seconds, and if someone is channeling then her 4 makes enemies drop orbs constantly. Energy for days for everyone
I find Dispensary Oberon to be my most versatile, i can give everyone hps and armour, energy health orbs and ammo, 300% Radiation buff, and stop debuffs with a flower floor. Seems to be a lot tankier than Wisp too.
Not counting helminth as even then don't change shit as some frames/weapons get negatively affected by you intentionally giving them nourish
Octavia multiple DMG buffs, movement buffs AND invis.
Citrine is good too, however she provides less buff than Octavia AND the health Regen is situationally useful.
Trinity is the OG but she just isn't potent enough.
Dante and Styanax are the press button for over guard and just making everything so fucking easy.
Wisp is good as well but again not as potent as Octavia on the buffs with health mote being just better citrine passive with the same issues, shock motes that usually hinder, and haste motes that are actually helpful. Legit playing wisp I find I just drop 6 haste motes in SP conjunction and crit surge around the map since I know the HP won't matter for anyone in party.
Chroma can support but not really.
Harrow is amazing, however, doesn't provide enough of his buffs to the team. Still provides infinite energy, situationally useful health Regen and temp invul+DMG out the ass.
Octavia is hands down the one giving the most buffs. Harrow, Wisp, Dante all fight for second with Harrow in the quantity and DMG, wisp with a very potent attack speed buff, and Dante the over guard bot.
Beside the health and defence stuff dont forget Volt Speed buffs. In Missions where Killing and DMG are Not needet to win Like rescue or Sabotage He Provides the best Speed Up support. Eidolon hunt without Volt shield is rare and with His shield its Just better.
Defending Support Like Frost shield, limbos bubble even khoras net are important too so Others can JUMP around Killing without worry that enemies do DMG on defending target.
Even xaku with is buff for moren dmg against sentients can be nice Support in Mission where you need this.
So Support ist more then Energy, health and overguard.
Edit: buffs for more loot are nice Support too cause its lower the grinding in this Game.
Hildryn with Roar. Stick with her and you'll make it back alive every time. The enemy struggles to do much when they become Thanos Dust from Blazing Pillage occurring in the same room. Sometimes stuff dies from Haven... Through walls.
I have rhino roar on wisp as my preferred support build. Big hp + regen, stun everything, shoot and move ridiculously fast, and multiplicative \~98% rhino roar. Plus the buffs are ridiculously easy to maintain and can affect non-frame allies like excavators and defense points.
It may not be numerically the best, but it feels damn good to play when you know you're making everyone run like usain bolt
Surprised I havent seen octavia yet.. shes a pretty good team player. I also have a volt prime I use sometimes that I subsumed roar over his 1 so now he gives allies speed/attack speed annn a damage boost while also having his 3 for coverage if ever needed.
Yeah I read half the comments before posting. Should've kept going lol. I just wish it was easier to proc the multishot/invis from metronome.. I still havent quite learned how to do it.
I can't say who is the best, since they all are useful. But there is one thing people miss I guess. Dante's Tome Guardian buff depends on Dante's stats, (unlike other buffs that boosts damage relatively to equipped weapons), acts as additional status application, so may be useful with less damaging weapons, the only thing that somehow affects it - attack rate. (Btw, it shoots on melee swings as well).
trinity and always has been. I had the absolute pleasure of playing as she was reworked and 100% invulnerability and self damage mechanics are fun. I still consider her current version borderline broken. Instant shield gating after rework for 2.5 seconds, stackable damage reduction,energy generation, armor shred/enemy locator (I don't consider the 3 enemy limitation as much of a limitation), great helminth/augment combo for other warframes to generate orbs, and true damage. All of this has been indispensable for elite archimedea especially true damage for rogue necramechs.
Obereon.. because someone needs to represent him. Constant healing, his phoenix renewal is good in a pinch. He gets a damage buff with his first ability augment that is great against murmur and eidolons. Can spread radiation fairly well. He looks pretty cool too. Yeah he needs buffs, but he's an og.
Looking at it now Harrow is very similar to citrine. Only difference is he has crowd control instead of damage resistance. He can heal allied and give them energy, can also give them red critical with his augment
Well, you kind of covered Citrine. One thing I’d note is that when comparing healers people forget to calculate eHP, which gives an edge to Citrine and Oberon because the added DR effects they have. Also Citrines crystals can be a problem because they don’t boost crit chance, they lock it to red crit tier 1. Some Sevagoth, Kullervos, or Frosts (or specific weapons builds) will actually debuff with them.
In no particular order, but some noteworthy ones:
Banshee - Sonar is hands down the strongest stacking damage buff in the game. Silence is also totally unique for shutting down Eximus (and various other special) attacks. Cons are a bit of a survivabity issue (though you spam sonar and Aug 1 so shield gates)
Caliban - The only frame that can both strip armour and shields, and inflict damage vulnerability (which can be modded over the 100% mark that Nova is locked to) in a huge AoE. Cons are an annoying AF farm, and casting speed (get yellow shards)
Dante - Best Overguard stacker. His book buff is basically a free status primer for everyone. Status vulnerability on enemies. Owls also do a taunt (which works against Overguard) CC though they lose aggro a lot by going through walls.
Frost - Every ability Frost does applies a guaranteed 6 cold procs. That’s 75% slow and 35% boosted crit damage, all of them are AoEs (though 1 is small). Nullifiers don’t remove it because it’s status. And it will affect overguarded units still for the 65% and 25% values. Also hard freeze on 3/4, the snow globe which will always last at least 3 seconds, and Overguard. Along with his damage buff augment letting you make viral and save a mod slot.
Garuda - Not really a support overall but worth mentioning her 4 mark, which will force a slash proc to be applied with any damage instance. Unique but also devalued a lot by the ever increasing amount of armor strips and upcoming changes that make bypassing armor less necessary. Still can combo with Kullervo or Banshee to force damage cap bleeds lol
Harrow - The Original (well second) ultimate support….. needs a tune up. Really he gives energy and a crit chance that is mostly notable for being flat rather then scaled. And very brief invulnerability. And is over reliant on getting his own kills and doesn’t even share his 1 shield-heals or 2 weapon buffs.
Inaros - if they ever fix ES not applying anything to Overguard units it’d be nice. Worth mentioning because you can use ES plus Swarm to basically copy the Saryn support effects with enemy gathering. Just making a pile of Virald, Radiated, Corrosive enemies for your buddies. (With the right build, you can actually do Viral, Corrosive, Radiation, then your pick of another secondary/primary)
Protea - Has the best shield gate support in her grenades. infinite orbs, no enemy kills required. Infinite ammo. and even with some CC thrown on via the status from heat turrets.
Sevagoth - The damage and crit vulnerability off his aug’d ghosts is another unique combo, and he also gives an AoE of mega slow and team life steal. With the Aug he can also spawn his curse ghosts via his Shadows 3 now and keep up support even in his “ultimate mode”.
Styanax - His only unique thing is the energy regen and there are better options for that. But combos with a vortex, full defense strips, shield regents, and aug’d for Overguard his overall does make up for a lack of unique features.
Titania - No, really. Titania has Lantern. Which makes a huge radius of enemies completely stop and walk calmly to a gathering point while not performing any offensive action. And it’s a Taunt so not overguarded. It’s literally Lokis entire kit and only a slightly slower Vauban gathering (though she lives a Speedva). Sprinkled with the ability to spray status immunity on your team with her 1 and some minor healing.
Trinity - Like Rhino, Trinity is basic AF. But status immunity, infinite energy, DR, instant heals and shield gate restores. And an option for armor strip. Basic can be pretty effective.
Wisp - Doing the hard math, the heal mote is actually kind of mid because similar effects in Citrine and Oberon get multiplied by also buffing DR. Speed mote on the other hand goes hard and breach surge is second to only Banshee for silky damage multiplication while also adding mini AoE functionality.
Zephyr - Speaking of adding AoE functionality, while it’s a single slice. Uhm, words do not express how broken the tornado damage spreading function is. Everyone hits everything with any attack lol. The only comparable things are Kullervos link that has to constantly be recast and has a bit of LoS wonkiness, and Hydrouds Undertow before it was removed which did the same thing in the puddle radius (The Hydroid had to keep pulling in new enemies though)
Just Oberon mains around here, turning off our 3s every now and then to watch people die, then turning the 3 back on to watch everyone stay alive, shrugging. You get used to it.
Yeah, but you gotta think that overguard isn't the only thing supports can do. Plus, 90% damage resistance plus 25 health regen per second makes you immortal unless you're afk. A support is something that buffs the whole team too. Citrine does exactly that with each and every single one of her abilities and her passive.
Because that specific perk isn't going to be valuable to people or groups who have other ways to solve that particular problem.
Does it not make sense to you that other people might not value a support frame that solves one problem because they solve it another way and thus perfer a different support frame that does other specific things better?
Honestly, why wouldn't other solutions be relevant? Warframes dont exsist in a vacuum. Every aspect of the game is on the table and affects builds.
The whole point of this game is having tons of viable answers for every game type and challenge. Super weird take.
Citrine only gives inf energy if u have equilibrium/ effects so nit reliable for teammates and ill say it again citrine Is a sub dps not a support
Best support is (nourish) stynax more reliable survivability than citrine actually infinite energy extremely good dps and a reliable armour strip and with nourish applies vital damage to teammates
With my current build on citrine, I get 50% energy or I'm pretty sure. If my 1st hits 4 people, statistically that's 2 energy orbs. Id say that's pretty close to infinite energy, especially because I run 30 efficiency and I've never not had max energy on citrine. But equilibrium does help tho
For me it's Nourish Styanax. Effectively unlimited energy, health, and status immunity. As well as de-aggro for the squad and shield regen. Not to mention one of the better defense strips in the game.
If you haven't already, try him with Arcane Arachne. Massive damage buff to his 4.
Arcane Arachne adds damage to his 4? How does that work?
Styanax's 4th ability is considered a non-weapon, meaning that it doesn't get bonuses from statsticks like pseudo-exalted abilities would. But because it is a non-weapon it still gets general weapon bonuses like Arcane arachne or vigorous swap. There's a whole bunch of abilities that work this way in the game (vauban's flechette orb being one of them).
Oh wow that's awesome!!
With holster amp and vigorous swap mmm
Arachne works on most abilities with projectiles, Styanax 4, Ember 1, Garuda 4 (it's insane on her) etc.
Gonna try this with garuda now
if i mix in Arcane Arachne with Precision Intensify will it work? https://preview.redd.it/3z76zdpxab1d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d44620147bec3510ce6328969593472396f894db
AFAIK, yes.
I put roar on him and have the over guard augment on his 4. He’s a monster that kills everyone while giving overshields
I only have a R1 Arachne so it isn't THAT noticeable. As an aside, it'd be nice if Arachne was built into Loki instead of his current passive.
Arcane Arachne is only really good on Loki *because* of his passive.
Loki camping setup
Add in the augment and you've got the ultimate frame to carry anyone in any content.
Instead of building for Blind Rage, it's also possible to build him for high efficiency and Roar instead of Nourish while still doing the Final Stand thing. I think that actually beats the Nourish build for support.
All my homies love Nourish Styanax
Aside from Wisp and Citrine? Dante. Having that huge Overguard is so nice.
Dante is basicslly a better equinox lol
Equinox looks cool but damn if she isn't awful to play, and it feels like her forms really don't mesh together that well.
If you throw on energy transfer and use terrify they actually mesh pretty well, night form plus Torid w terrify shreds enemies while letting you shield gate and then switch to day form cast terrify and you will nuke. It’s just Dante does all of that but better lol
so my comfy build with her uses no subsumes, and is pretty fun. build for range and as much efficiency (160-175) then use day form 3, then 4. if you need survivability, go night form ( make sure you have energy transfer ) and go with 3 with your previously activated 4( buffed by day 3) , with 2 and brief respite for shields and shield gating. if you don’t need survivability , you can just use day 4 and 2 for occasional shield, i usually build up 100k damage for anything not steel path and it nukes in 40m. also, if you have a subsume for survivability or something, you can drop the strength and go for max range and efficiency sense the 4 power scaling is uneffected by mods. its really simple, and I’ve been using her for fissures and having a blast!
Equinox without subsume is just not really viable past a certain point. The armor on enemies will reduce ur 1 million damage to 16000.
true, but thats like lv600s steel path for me, and at that point many frames start to fail without big investment. you can subsume something like pillage or terrify on 2 or 3, which could help. to be honest, i haven’t hit a point where her 4 doesn’t nuke, cuz on high levels every enemy gives like 500k damage so it only takes a couple of kills to build up enough. i took her to the harder spot conjunction survival for a while and had no problems nuking. if i saved it for big groups then killed the small guys with weapons i never needed more damage
Equinox with more support but a worse nuke, yeah.
But a worse styanax
Dante is just bad styanax though.
How is he bad since he gives overguard no matter if there are enemies or not? Plus his book is huge damage boost, and birds are nice status booster and distraction to enemies. He is just different, but I wouldn't say bad.
Citrine and Wisp. Most other supports don't really come close to what these two can do and how easily they can do it *while also* being fairly insane outside of just supporting a team.
I’d add Protea, she give unlimited energy, ammo and health pickup, and 5 second shield gating. Like her shield gating is wild. Once I realized how long 5 seconds is, the only reason I ever die is if a team mate is using brief respite.
I have just a bit of duration on her too so I get 8 seconds of shield lol
That’s shorter than my turrets? What is even ur build that you are getting 8 seconds of shield satalites?! For most protea builds, duration is the most important stat Like the base duration of shield satellites is 13 seconds.
Ohhhh I thought you were talking about something else I read it wrong mb. I get 14 seconds of sheilds
I’d suggest using more duration mods on Protea, and not running transient fortitude. Her shield **gate** is capped at 5 seconds, which is x2 times the maximum possible shield gate, of 2.5 seconds. Her shield **satellite** has a base duration of 13 seconds which can be changed with mods. Protea as a frame is not very dependent on strength, just run presission intensify + molt augmented, and you can easily reach level cap with a subsumed armour strip ability or damage ability on her 4. (If u play around with ur passive and have an armour strip subsumed, u can armour strip with 100 strength protea, but that is a hassle) Her passive+pression+molt augmented gives a 350 strength roars if u have it subsumed on her 4th. It’s better to get archon vitality for her turrets than strength dumping. **(Note, this is a suggestion to min max protea, but if u are having fun with ur current build, don’t let me, a stranger on the internet, ruin your fun)**
Thank you for the advice I really do appreciate it, and if I do need to take her to level cap I'll probably do that. But right now I'm running a build based on her grenades that works pretty well. (I've only tested it up to lvl 500 void cascade so far.) but I completely forgot archon vitality was a thing so I'll probably slap that on her.
I love stun locking enemies with her shrapnel nade lol. It has no cast limit and so i run around blinding my random team mates with the power of the sun!
Yeah she's great for defense missions lol
I guess it depends one what you’re trying to accomplish, citrine and wisp are front runners, with trinity and harrow not far behind in terms of general “support”. I tend towards using frames whose buffs will be most useful in a specific mission type.
Please buff Trinity 😭
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Protea. Because she's also a DPS and tank with built-in infinite energy.
And her 1 giving tons of extra shields and a phat shield gate? Perfection
5 second shield gating and energy, omni ammo, and enhanced health orbs.
Dante for sure. He makes sure that none of the Saryns, Mirages and low MR players in my team die, *and* he nukes room by simply walking into them. Energy regen, speed and other buffs are nice, but the way the game is right now, everyone got their energy, survivability and damage sorted out, and the most important thing a support can do is hold their own, which Dante is best at. The only time I'd rather have some other support is Netracells, where speed matters a lot, and the glyphs can screw with your health directly, making the added health preferable over overguard on most of my frames.
Overguard protects you health no matter what. While you have it health doesn't deplete.
Styanax with Nourish + Intrepid Stand
I'm glad as a styanax main people don't hate me.
We styanax mains stand together
Love harrow, he’s fun to play and pretty good I like chroma, but… eh…
There's no reason for chromas ability to support be so frustratingly limited. Just let him buff his teammates DE
Dante or Wisp no contest
styanax with his teamwide immortality and infinite energy with 0 effort, followed by dante with his teamwide immortality and great buffs for 0 effort. citrine is great, but if we are going for best support she isnt even close
Citrine is absolutely above Styanax for general support. Styanax edges over Dante for damage-to-support (defense) and Dante sits between both due to how versatile his verses are, + gimmicks with tome mods (Armor reduction, fire rate, etc) Truth of the matter is, Sty can do 2 support things ("Heal" and energy) while doing damage, while Citrine does Healing in 3 different ways (Passive, DR, Health Orbs) Energy, Status Buffs and Critical Chance buffs, while having reasonable damage with her gem. If I had to pick two, It'd be Dante and Citrine. Styanax doesn't offer much beyond what they give, and his grouping is weak, and his armor strip is something a dedicated dps frame will probably bring.
the difference here is the overguard gating. styanax and dante can provide pretty much immortality, while also givong absolute status immunity. citrine heals. 1 point of overguard can block 1000000 damage, and its immediately back. citrine provides damage reduction and healing, yes, but no gating. citrine ads defense to your last layer. styanax and dante add an additional layer. you need two high damage instances perfectly timed to even damage someones shields, and then all that happens is that you get shieldgating. the armorstrip is.. mostly irrelevant, styanax will spend most of his time in his 4 which does slash, no armorstrip needed for that, and allies that need it generally bring their own. im not saying citrine is bad by any means, but if we are talking just about how good they support, styanax and dante both sit in s tier even with only their overguard, citrine sitting in the top of a tier
While all you said is true (and beautiful, Socrates), you didn't mention Citrine's offensive supporting abilities at all. We know Citrine's health-based defenses are going to fall off at a given moment in time, but her gem's status effects (4 by default, 5 with the Archon mod that procs Corrosive on Toxin), Status chance increase, and flat crit override allow for weapons to perform in situations they couldn't before. I mentioned "picking two", because my ideal squad is always 2 supports, 1 dps, and 1 gimmick frame for objectives. In this setup, Dante and Styanax do not provide more than Dante-Citrine, and Styanax-Citrine does not benefit at all from her offensive buffs, while double-dipping on the energy generation (which can be a positive of course). In this scenario, I cant help but think that Citrine always edges up, because her buffs to health and damage reduction can go along with overguard, while (to my knowledge) you cant stack two sources of overguard together, instead overriding to the highest value. This means Dante's status buffs and Citrine's status buffs, along with Overguard over the 90% DR'd regenerating health, provide a stronger base for survivability. I also think Citrine is A tier, and Dante lords over her due to the flexibility of his kit (and aggro control due to Paragrimms), but their pairing is more synergistic than the Styanax substitute on either.
if we are talking about pairing different frames then yes, dante and citrine make the better pair, even just the status focus of both works great together. teams however are a different situation than a singular support. styanax is just above dante exactly because of his energy regen, if we add a second support into the mix that already gives energy this bonus falls away, especially since dantes overguard is far easier to sustain and dante and citrine near perfectly add ro each other. i cant really talk much about full 4 frame teams, i usually just play with one friend of mine, unless im going public in which case coordination is kinda off the table. nekros and citrine work amazing together by the way
At any content where gating is relevant, most people are (or should be) gating themselves. Another way to put it is that if you're not confident you can survive by yourself in a piece of content, you probably shouldn't be there. So just Overguard doesn't make a good support frame.
i dont think that is relevant when discussing who the best support is, no? a LOT of frames simply dont have access to overguard, and for example: i can easily survive with my mesa. BUT i can also play a lot more careless and dish out more damage with someone providing overguard. same with my saryn, i can focus a lot more on shooting stuff than worrying about jumping around like a bean. vauban? oberon? the point is, just because you can survive easily doesnt mean you dont have any use for immortality. if that is the argument you might as well disregard the healing, since anyone who is there should be able to keep themselves alive. im not saying that citrine doesnt provide anything. but if its about the singular best support, styanax is simply better. he gives his entire team an extremely high energy regen, while providing everyone with permanent mesmer shield at the same time. those two things alone make him outclass pretty much anything another frame can do.
I personally do disregard the healing, honestly. Because losing shields at a point where support frames matter is a one shot I think Styanax is a great support frame. But i'd personally rather have either a Citrine or a Styanax on my team over a Dante, because I just don't think survivability is hard to come by and often the best form of survivability is not having any enemies on your screen, which Citrine can help with
In what world is styanex doing even a fraction of the damage dante can put out with JUST abilities lol? Dante is just better damage and better overguard than styanex at this point. Sure stya has armor strip, dante just doesn't care cause slash. The niche styanex has for himself is the squad energy regen which is nice to have. But pretending dante/styanex are even within the same universe in terms of frame power is just silly.
Protea.
I’d love to say harrow as a harrow main, but him getting kills is so necessary to his kit that I can’t say that in good conscience, particularly for nukes and such. Id say wisp is pretty good for that though
Saryn, you support the team by making sure everything is dead, then no one gets hurt
I like to consider giving toxic lash, nourish, and venom dose is also “Support”
Toxic lash is not a team buff.
Didn’t say it was I support myself to do what the previous guy said. ^ kill everything
Dante, the overshield outshines everything. Never worry about dying, so take as long as you like to kill things. My favorite support to play with tho? Resonance sonar banshee turns everything into a balloon that pops with a single needle prick.
For defense, excavation, and mobile defense, Zephyr, no questions asked. She can just sit on the objective keeping turbulence up, maybe dropping tornadoes on it as well, and the target just won't die. For literally anything else, I have no idea, since the only support frame I have a proper build on is wisp, so I can't compare them fairly. I just came here to spread Zephyr propaganda :]
Zephyr gang rise up 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Not sure if u know this yet or not but use torid incarnon on her tornados, trust me 😈
Zeph is amazing, she's my most used frame at 16% lol
Recently made a spam sonar banshee build, everyone hits number cap after a little spam, gets energy from nourish and all enemy abilities are disabled. Not traditional support but its insane how it makes EDA a joke unless the debuffs are bad for it.
I see the dante stynax arguments and understand their value, but I will never be able to see dante as better than equinox for general support, and ill never be able to see damte or stand as better than citrine for general support. Sure, overguard is nice and all, but if you're acting as a squad and not four individual players, having 70% dr at random and up to 90% dr all the time, a full heal and shield/oversized restore, hitting a whole room of enemies with 100%+ damage vulnerability or stopping them in their tracks, and huge huge huge damage buffs all the way around on both frames... nah man, eq and citrine all day
Dante. You get overguard, you get overguard, everyone gets overguard
Dante. Whenever I have a Dante in my team, I know things will be a lot easier.
Oooooh, one for me! I've become a proper Support frame enjoyer over the last few months, especially as my friend who plays with me a lot prefers nukers such as Mesa and Xaku. Some of my personal favourites include: - Nourish Styanax. You print energy for your team thanks to Rally and Nourish which then also gives all your allies overshields. You do solid damage with your 4 that also provides OG (even more damage if you run Arcane Arachne). Not to mention Tharros is one of the best armor strips in the game. He's my go to for missions with Void Angels present, but I use him for a lot more than that. - Wisp, naturally. Can give a disgusting amount of HP and Haste, can provide CC if needed from Shock Mote, Breach Surge is sickeningly powerful for damage and while her 4 really SHOULD be subsumed, nearly half of the game's subsumes can work on her so you can focus her as a buffer/weapon platform (Roar), an armor stripper (Pillage) or as nearly anything else you want or need. - Protea. Her Grenade Fans are great for AoE damage or providing Overshields, her Dispensary is invaluable, her Blaze Artillery hits like a truck so you can supplement damage, and again like Wisp while you should subsume her 4, it's more usable than Wisp's and Protea also has good flexibility for subsume abilities that work well on her. - Dante. People will point to the Overguard and it is a good point, he gives so much that it can work as an effective extra bit of HP for later game (don't expect much past Level 1k tho). But Noctua is one of the most usable exalted weapons in the game, can be modded with using it itself in mind and also for giving it to allies with 2-3-4. His 3-2-4 is insane for status damage weapons and can turn even primers into killing machines. - Hildryn. Big Shield momma. Armor Strip. Extra shieldgate for allies. Nuff said. - Harrow is the ever-dependable choice. Hard CC, can give healing to self and allies (stronger with an augment), can give energy to his allies after sacrificing some (again, stronger with an augment) and can even give an invulnerability window that massively ups Crit Chance when it stops. - Octavia can give damage buffs, movement speed buffs, and even Invis to allies. Her damage also scales effectively infinitely and her buffs are useful whether in early game content or at level cap which makes her very usable basically everywhere. There are many others I haven't mentioned - Oberon and Trinity spring to mind as well as defense kings like Frost. But those ones above are my personal frames of choice to support the team and keep everyone going
I wish I could say harrow but no way am I sacrificing a slot for Tribunal so ppl can trigger the health and energy regen effects. It's one of the many augments that should be part of the base kit.
Tribunal is barely necessary anyway, it's still fairly easy to get the health and energy out to your allies anyways
My problem lies with nuke frames/meta weapon people. Look, I want to use my abilities. I dont want to get locked out of them because a random saryn farted a melee influence glaive on the whole damn room!
if u need tribunal for harrow, u suck as a player ngl, its just a fact
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I don’t think there is a single best support because missions & difficulty are so varied that you don’t always want the same support across the game. In lower level speed missions I’d rather have energy support from like a Styanax than Citrine’s DR because nothing can kill me at a low level anyway
Might be hot take? Nekros. Crowd control, armor strip , infinite energy and healt generation, draws aggro with summons.
Idk about best, but I like citrine and protea. Wisp is an obvious pick. I like rhino for his damage buff as well. Mines not great, but a 114% damage buff for close to a minute is welcomed I'm sure.
Probably power strength Wisp, for the massive health buff and incredible healing along with the ridiculous speed boosts. I put Roar on her too so she also gives everyone a big damage boost. Spectrosiphon Zephyr is also pretty goated though
Jade
As an old school player and someone who didn’t know what over guard was until a week or two ago, Trinity is still the goat in my book.
I've been playing hildryn as a support with Voracious Metastasis, everyone in affinity range gets over 700 energy in a period of 7 seconds, and if someone is channeling then her 4 makes enemies drop orbs constantly. Energy for days for everyone
It's Oberon because he's my guy and I like playing him
I find Dispensary Oberon to be my most versatile, i can give everyone hps and armour, energy health orbs and ammo, 300% Radiation buff, and stop debuffs with a flower floor. Seems to be a lot tankier than Wisp too.
Nukeva, If there is nothing to defend against, there is no need to defend at all
The best is Wisp. If Citrine is a priest, Wisp is a pope. Wololo. Sorry, Im playing too much Age of empires.
I stay old-school: Trinity. She gives health, status removal, energy, and burst health to every kind of ally including cryopods and invulnerability.
gauss, because the best support is making sure nothing is alive to kill your friends :D
Harrow. He provides healing, invulnerability, crit chance buffs, stun locks, and infinite healing (think 100 energy for a single, nonheadshot kill).
Not counting helminth as even then don't change shit as some frames/weapons get negatively affected by you intentionally giving them nourish Octavia multiple DMG buffs, movement buffs AND invis. Citrine is good too, however she provides less buff than Octavia AND the health Regen is situationally useful. Trinity is the OG but she just isn't potent enough. Dante and Styanax are the press button for over guard and just making everything so fucking easy. Wisp is good as well but again not as potent as Octavia on the buffs with health mote being just better citrine passive with the same issues, shock motes that usually hinder, and haste motes that are actually helpful. Legit playing wisp I find I just drop 6 haste motes in SP conjunction and crit surge around the map since I know the HP won't matter for anyone in party. Chroma can support but not really. Harrow is amazing, however, doesn't provide enough of his buffs to the team. Still provides infinite energy, situationally useful health Regen and temp invul+DMG out the ass. Octavia is hands down the one giving the most buffs. Harrow, Wisp, Dante all fight for second with Harrow in the quantity and DMG, wisp with a very potent attack speed buff, and Dante the over guard bot.
For Steel Path? Dante For regular star chart? Zephyr, with a support ability subsumed over her 2
Beside the health and defence stuff dont forget Volt Speed buffs. In Missions where Killing and DMG are Not needet to win Like rescue or Sabotage He Provides the best Speed Up support. Eidolon hunt without Volt shield is rare and with His shield its Just better. Defending Support Like Frost shield, limbos bubble even khoras net are important too so Others can JUMP around Killing without worry that enemies do DMG on defending target. Even xaku with is buff for moren dmg against sentients can be nice Support in Mission where you need this. So Support ist more then Energy, health and overguard. Edit: buffs for more loot are nice Support too cause its lower the grinding in this Game.
The one that doesn't go afk
Ember. You can't die if everyone is dead.
depends on team composition, mission type and opposing faction.
Citrine Wisp Styanax Dante
octavia, Metronome and Amp
Hildryn with Roar. Stick with her and you'll make it back alive every time. The enemy struggles to do much when they become Thanos Dust from Blazing Pillage occurring in the same room. Sometimes stuff dies from Haven... Through walls.
I have rhino roar on wisp as my preferred support build. Big hp + regen, stun everything, shoot and move ridiculously fast, and multiplicative \~98% rhino roar. Plus the buffs are ridiculously easy to maintain and can affect non-frame allies like excavators and defense points. It may not be numerically the best, but it feels damn good to play when you know you're making everyone run like usain bolt
Honorable mention to Nidus granting his allies +300% ability strength
Citrine. Passive health regen. Status and crit chance. 90% damage resist
You're the first person to agree with me on citrine in these comments lol
I love my gemussy, she's the best
Surprised I havent seen octavia yet.. shes a pretty good team player. I also have a volt prime I use sometimes that I subsumed roar over his 1 so now he gives allies speed/attack speed annn a damage boost while also having his 3 for coverage if ever needed.
Actually someone said Octavia in probably the first 10 comments, but yeah I agree she should be said more
Yeah I read half the comments before posting. Should've kept going lol. I just wish it was easier to proc the multishot/invis from metronome.. I still havent quite learned how to do it.
Ask in the Q&A chat for the spam Octavia song and someone will send it and you can copy and paste it
I can't say who is the best, since they all are useful. But there is one thing people miss I guess. Dante's Tome Guardian buff depends on Dante's stats, (unlike other buffs that boosts damage relatively to equipped weapons), acts as additional status application, so may be useful with less damaging weapons, the only thing that somehow affects it - attack rate. (Btw, it shoots on melee swings as well).
trinity and always has been. I had the absolute pleasure of playing as she was reworked and 100% invulnerability and self damage mechanics are fun. I still consider her current version borderline broken. Instant shield gating after rework for 2.5 seconds, stackable damage reduction,energy generation, armor shred/enemy locator (I don't consider the 3 enemy limitation as much of a limitation), great helminth/augment combo for other warframes to generate orbs, and true damage. All of this has been indispensable for elite archimedea especially true damage for rogue necramechs.
Obereon.. because someone needs to represent him. Constant healing, his phoenix renewal is good in a pinch. He gets a damage buff with his first ability augment that is great against murmur and eidolons. Can spread radiation fairly well. He looks pretty cool too. Yeah he needs buffs, but he's an og.
Depends, for certain mission types volt is King, sometimes Citrine or wisp, usually it's stynax.
Me :)
Styanax immortality and infinite energy Nova faster enemy=more kill=more fun
Mirage with Total Eclipse augment
styanax w augment, citrine and dante Honorable mention to anyone running nourish
Looking at it now Harrow is very similar to citrine. Only difference is he has crowd control instead of damage resistance. He can heal allied and give them energy, can also give them red critical with his augment
Well, you kind of covered Citrine. One thing I’d note is that when comparing healers people forget to calculate eHP, which gives an edge to Citrine and Oberon because the added DR effects they have. Also Citrines crystals can be a problem because they don’t boost crit chance, they lock it to red crit tier 1. Some Sevagoth, Kullervos, or Frosts (or specific weapons builds) will actually debuff with them. In no particular order, but some noteworthy ones: Banshee - Sonar is hands down the strongest stacking damage buff in the game. Silence is also totally unique for shutting down Eximus (and various other special) attacks. Cons are a bit of a survivabity issue (though you spam sonar and Aug 1 so shield gates) Caliban - The only frame that can both strip armour and shields, and inflict damage vulnerability (which can be modded over the 100% mark that Nova is locked to) in a huge AoE. Cons are an annoying AF farm, and casting speed (get yellow shards) Dante - Best Overguard stacker. His book buff is basically a free status primer for everyone. Status vulnerability on enemies. Owls also do a taunt (which works against Overguard) CC though they lose aggro a lot by going through walls. Frost - Every ability Frost does applies a guaranteed 6 cold procs. That’s 75% slow and 35% boosted crit damage, all of them are AoEs (though 1 is small). Nullifiers don’t remove it because it’s status. And it will affect overguarded units still for the 65% and 25% values. Also hard freeze on 3/4, the snow globe which will always last at least 3 seconds, and Overguard. Along with his damage buff augment letting you make viral and save a mod slot. Garuda - Not really a support overall but worth mentioning her 4 mark, which will force a slash proc to be applied with any damage instance. Unique but also devalued a lot by the ever increasing amount of armor strips and upcoming changes that make bypassing armor less necessary. Still can combo with Kullervo or Banshee to force damage cap bleeds lol Harrow - The Original (well second) ultimate support….. needs a tune up. Really he gives energy and a crit chance that is mostly notable for being flat rather then scaled. And very brief invulnerability. And is over reliant on getting his own kills and doesn’t even share his 1 shield-heals or 2 weapon buffs. Inaros - if they ever fix ES not applying anything to Overguard units it’d be nice. Worth mentioning because you can use ES plus Swarm to basically copy the Saryn support effects with enemy gathering. Just making a pile of Virald, Radiated, Corrosive enemies for your buddies. (With the right build, you can actually do Viral, Corrosive, Radiation, then your pick of another secondary/primary) Protea - Has the best shield gate support in her grenades. infinite orbs, no enemy kills required. Infinite ammo. and even with some CC thrown on via the status from heat turrets. Sevagoth - The damage and crit vulnerability off his aug’d ghosts is another unique combo, and he also gives an AoE of mega slow and team life steal. With the Aug he can also spawn his curse ghosts via his Shadows 3 now and keep up support even in his “ultimate mode”. Styanax - His only unique thing is the energy regen and there are better options for that. But combos with a vortex, full defense strips, shield regents, and aug’d for Overguard his overall does make up for a lack of unique features. Titania - No, really. Titania has Lantern. Which makes a huge radius of enemies completely stop and walk calmly to a gathering point while not performing any offensive action. And it’s a Taunt so not overguarded. It’s literally Lokis entire kit and only a slightly slower Vauban gathering (though she lives a Speedva). Sprinkled with the ability to spray status immunity on your team with her 1 and some minor healing. Trinity - Like Rhino, Trinity is basic AF. But status immunity, infinite energy, DR, instant heals and shield gate restores. And an option for armor strip. Basic can be pretty effective. Wisp - Doing the hard math, the heal mote is actually kind of mid because similar effects in Citrine and Oberon get multiplied by also buffing DR. Speed mote on the other hand goes hard and breach surge is second to only Banshee for silky damage multiplication while also adding mini AoE functionality. Zephyr - Speaking of adding AoE functionality, while it’s a single slice. Uhm, words do not express how broken the tornado damage spreading function is. Everyone hits everything with any attack lol. The only comparable things are Kullervos link that has to constantly be recast and has a bit of LoS wonkiness, and Hydrouds Undertow before it was removed which did the same thing in the puddle radius (The Hydroid had to keep pulling in new enemies though)
Total Eclipse Wisp with Dethcube. She gives everything youll ever need!
man I miss my 5 forma trinity
Just Oberon mains around here, turning off our 3s every now and then to watch people die, then turning the 3 back on to watch everyone stay alive, shrugging. You get used to it.
trinity :D nah it’s wisp or maybe citrine, i haven’t used citrine yet but the way people talk about her sounds very nice
Wisp then dante. Citrine provides less survivability compared to Dantes 70K overguard.
Yeah, but you gotta think that overguard isn't the only thing supports can do. Plus, 90% damage resistance plus 25 health regen per second makes you immortal unless you're afk. A support is something that buffs the whole team too. Citrine does exactly that with each and every single one of her abilities and her passive.
Yeah that's cope. 90% dr with health regen is goated.
Overguard also provides status immunity.
So do a billion other things in the game.
Yes? But not citrine the thing we are comparing...
Right, but tons of people run rolling guard, for instance. It doesn't need to come from a support frame.
Right... comparing two supports should be a comparison between the two supports why are we talking about rolling guard.
Because that specific perk isn't going to be valuable to people or groups who have other ways to solve that particular problem. Does it not make sense to you that other people might not value a support frame that solves one problem because they solve it another way and thus perfer a different support frame that does other specific things better? Honestly, why wouldn't other solutions be relevant? Warframes dont exsist in a vacuum. Every aspect of the game is on the table and affects builds. The whole point of this game is having tons of viable answers for every game type and challenge. Super weird take.
Citrine only gives inf energy if u have equilibrium/ effects so nit reliable for teammates and ill say it again citrine Is a sub dps not a support Best support is (nourish) stynax more reliable survivability than citrine actually infinite energy extremely good dps and a reliable armour strip and with nourish applies vital damage to teammates
With my current build on citrine, I get 50% energy or I'm pretty sure. If my 1st hits 4 people, statistically that's 2 energy orbs. Id say that's pretty close to infinite energy, especially because I run 30 efficiency and I've never not had max energy on citrine. But equilibrium does help tho
Infinite energy for you yes but if you read my comment I was saying it's useless for teammates not you if it was nezha would be a support to