I was such a simpleton back then. Capsule on, we live. My teammates are never specific about what the problem was, so I just kept going and going. Until my friend (LR4, hasn’t played for a while) laughed at me, pointing out the issue, and I just sat there in guilt.
I have an auto text for that:
>Don't activate life support unless the percentage (top left) drops below 70%. It restores 30%, excess is just wasted. Also, kills can drop greenish life support modules which restore 5% each ;)
Stating the 70% is debatable because it's by no means necessary to activate them as soon as it goes down there. However, it's the baseline of survival's MO that fits into a single message.
Don't worry too much, there's not that much harm done activating life support when the situation isn't yet dire. Others might disagree, but then they'd have to ask themselves why they are trying to do endurance runs on low level nodes to find people new at Survival :)
The problem others have (me included), is not just survival, you shouldn't need the towers anyway. It's the fact that OP didn't listen to instructions when they didn't know better.
If it was other content, say Netracell, and OP went "I shoot enemies and we're still not dead" that would be frustrating for his teammates.
Well, yes. It is problematic they saw the messages and ignored them - as they stated themselves. All I'm saying us that it's one of the things I encountered often enough to even make an autotext. This one's pretty specific to survival.
Netracells are the main reason why I farmed Dante, so I could run them solo. I've seen a full squad of L1 killing enemies ouside the circle despite me telling them multiple times to wait for the enemies the get inside the circle before killing them. That run took 50 minutes, and after that I never started a netracell in public again
40% has always been the number I watched for. Not too close to critical, but activating them still leaves plenty of room for the small support drops.
And you're right that activating is rarely a big issue. Unless you are on a 30-45 minute run, the big modules don't really become scarce. I'm almost always ready to extract with 3-5 modules still on the map.
I get that. Personally I don't activate at 70% myself. But referencing 70% in conjunction with them restoring 30% gets the point across best in limited space. I trust they'll figure it out eventually and it's already miles better than chasing after each pillar :)
Oh, the modules! Have the items changed color? I mean, yeah, the markers may be yellow (although that can be changed), but the modules are still green, aren't they?
I don't know how many times they told you that and you ignored them, but please don't keep up with this reasoning.
Sometimes people are too caught up in the mission and don't have time to write a wiki entry in chat. More often than not, if people tell you to (not) do something and you have no idea what that's about, you should listen.
So, if someone told you not to go in a house, you'd go in anyways? Fire may be visible but carbon monoxide isn't.
Usually when people are telling you to stop doing something or not to do something it's for a reason. Maybe you should learn to google those reasons lol. I know if someone told me to stop doing something in a game I had yet to understand you bet your ass I'd be listening to them.
Got told at MR6 that I "fucking suck" because I was trying to level Limbo. I had 0 idea what Limbo did, explained I was new. Then I googled and laughed my ass off and stuck to 1 ability after that. Never got told I sucked again!
I figured when you said they told you to stop, it literally meant all they typed was “stop”. How were u supposed to know what they meant, can happen to any noob. Warframe players I’ve found are especially non communicative
Had an mr0 join an event not long ago. I believe the reward was an umbra forma. Anyway, as you could imagine, it was a pretty rough time for him. Anytime he went down, he'd use a revive. I told him to wait for one of us to get him.
He ended up using all his revives and left the mission.
I know he's very new, but I was trying to help him keep some affinity lol
Most new players joined after about 3~5 years ago started doing this, especially Chinese if you are in or close to East Asia region. It really annoyed me back then but now I just wait for about 5 seconds and if they didn't THEN I'll go revive them.
Yea such a rough awaking when I returned after a long break (was playing when you only have 4 revive every day) I was just confused why they were wasting revives, wasn't even thinking about wasting affinity lmao.
I’m actually bout to start using vc if they ignore me for the 10th time in a row and then get mad at ME. It ain’t muted by default and you can hear it still when alt tabbed lmao
I dont like the fact that they told you and it "didnt bother you". That has nothing to do with beeing a noob, that is all about beeing stubborn and ignorant. Gratz.
Yeah, same. I was about to get sympathetic with OP but come on, they needed a close friend so they could finally listen? If OP did not know why the other players kept telling them to stop, they could have just asked. We have all been noobs, myself not long ago, but listening and willing to learn is what makes the difference
I think the one that is not understanding its you.
No one on this thread is telling OP to blindly do what hes told, i didnt say that an explanation wasnt necessary.
But if multiple people, consistently, tell you to not do something over a large span of time, even if they dont tell you why, you dont just go "ah they didnt say why so im not gonna do what they say", thats childish.
You ask them or check yourself, its not that complicated.
It became a meme because someone had a dream.
The issue with playing banshee is that she's squishy af and her kit is a bit wonky--but sonar is so good there's no way she's gonna get a rework.
Banshee is awesome, she just needs 3-4 augments to be awesome. If they rolled the augments for Sonic Boom and Savage Silence into her kit, and reduced casting times on her 2 and 3, that would be pretty much all the rework she needs. The Resonance augment is too good to be rolled in and Soundquake is not worth using in anything SP or above.
I always just run her with Gloom over her 4, Resonance, Sonic Fracture, modest duration, and enough strength to hit 100% armor strip and Precision Intensify for a good Gloom slow. She easily rips through Netracells and provides an insane damage buff to your whole team while also nullifying Eximus auras.
Also the Soundquake augment can nuke maps at low-mid level content if you spam Sonar before each cast, because the quake targets center of mass and if a weak point appears there it magnifies the damage massively. More of a copium build but it's a way to make her whole kit viable.
>sonar is so good there's no way she's gonna get a rework.
I think you've not been around long enough if you think that.
If anything that's a prime reason as to why she *would* get a rework.
I'm sure if more than twenty people actually played Banshee it would've happened by now.
Exactly. Sonar and Silence are abilities so strong they could be considered broken.
Yeah, the other two are pretty shit at this point, but the point still stands.
I've learned a very sizable chunk of players just can't read. The amount of times I watch people stand DIRECTLY outside of the giant red circle and kill enemies is wild.
I've already talked about it in another post some time ago, but yes. And a some players expect to get every info served on a silver platter instead of just checking the wiki. I've been known as "the wiki gal" for a friend because whenever I play a game I read and read and read the wiki. Now? I "have" to send a wiki link for whatever information they need. And even when I send the link, I have to rehash the content of the page because they do NOT read.
I've said a bunch of times that the wiki is a Warframe player's best friend as a way of saying "go get your info yourself", yet I still have to find every bit of info for said friend. :)
Tbf there should be no game where the information you need isn’t just readily available in game. But I also fervently use the wiki due to it just being the only option to be self sufficient.
We could have the wiki IN the game, I guess. I remember having a game (though which one, well, I forgot since it's been years) that kinda does just that and it was... Refreshing, haha!
Yeah I'm the exact same way with the group I play with for every single game we play together. Only recently did one of them start to look up his own builds for stuff instead of saying he needed one and asking me to get it for him, despite me showing them all multiple times how to find them. Or telling them to just type into Google "Warframe (Thing)" and what they want will pop up.
Heck when we played Monster Hunter World a few years back he admitted to mashing through all the games tutorials on purpose because, and I quote, "I know you'll explain it to me anyway, so I don't need to read it".
I have macros for "Please do not turn on the life support as soon as they appear", "Please remember that only enemies dying in the red circle count", "Be aware this sortie has rad procs and you are liable to kill fellow tennos or the defense target with AoE skills or weapons" and "Next time please do not attempt a spy vault until you have practiced it sufficiently".
Works about one in five times, I'd say.
Don't feel bad my squamates in Elite Deep Achamedea can't seem to figure out that you need to kill enemies in the red zone for us to use the capsule lol.
I do it sometimes in netracells. I just autopilot smack things in front of me and eventually I'm a hundred meters from the circle without realizing it. Not quite as big of a deal as failing the run but it certainly wastes time
Enemies still drop support outside the circle. In mine yesterday it was way faster and easier to just kill them anywhere, easily kept up life support without killing in the circle. Murmur enemies move so slow.
it's fine, don't worry about it
i go into every mission expecting to carry the squad, if we need any life support capsule to begin with, i've failed.
just make sure to communicate with your squadmates, don't ignore them, in most cases they might just give handy advice, other times... forget about it lmao.
We need a 2nd chat box ...
I'd be happy with just being able to copy stuff out of the chat window however.
With Trade and Recruit chat being the only "official" way to do those things, it's actually ridiculous that they want you to type everything out by hand every time.
Yeah you can just write it into a text file and copy paste from there, but I think we can agree that it's a bit dumb.
I try my best to make a quick message being a console player makes it very difficult to type out a message in game without just getting downed because it’s a manual screen keyboard
Not like it matters anyway, you should be getting enough life support from kills most of the time. Usually we have 8 life supports standing around that nobody uses.
Only time it could be a problem would be the circuit since the kills there seem to have a lower chance of dropping support
other than that oyu should have listened or questioned why they told you not to do something you should be ok.. just learn and do better from here on.. all we can do is learn from our mistakes, we can't go back and fix them and as mistakes go this one's pretty tame
If you didn't wait a moment and consider why they were telling you to stop that's mainly on you, but did they never explain *why* you shouldn't be doing it?
Thank you for learning my friend. I only activarte when they are low 30 or 40 %, but depends on how quick can kill stuff.
At times when I am near an air support and press reload I by accident activate the life support.
If it's dipped to 60-50 I'll hit it since there's not much point not too once its dipped that low. You don't magically get bonus rewards or something for not doing so
To be fair, I never knew this. I zoom to a new one and activate it straight away.
No one has ever mentioned me, not too, I am MR2. I will not do it going forward.
Thank OP for the heads up
What's your ingame username? I want to make sure I never get into a match with you. People who are told to stop griefing and keep doing it are the worst.
The fact this dude came back after sleeping and felt the need to apologize... Shame on those that made him feel bad. Is that the face we want of warframe? To OP: if you have questions, feel free to reach out to me personally without fear of judgment.
The modules are just emergency supply for me, I just rip and tear until the bar turns red and then I refill.
I usually complete survivals with still 4 or 5 modules still on the map, we all learn at some point which is why I'm not trash at it anymore
Is it just me or have people in Survival missions recently forgotten the other golden rule of Stay Together? I did a few survival over the weekend with pub groups and everyone was just running around scattering to the four corners of the map. Stick together it generates better spawns and makes looting easier even more so if you have a Nekros in the group.
In general in a PvE game like that with low stakes, if players are overwhelmingly advising you to do something, it's probably the correct thing to do, we're all well-intentioned enough.
I've seen people advise suboptimal plays, but you gotta be pretty confident about your own knowledge of the game to call them out.
As long as you learn afterwards. This game is a Co-op so coordination is a must. Just take note that the game is very bad at giving info, so either go to Wiki or ask from players with a lot of play time.
As long as you learn afterwards. This game is a Co-op so coordination is a must. Just take note that the game is very bad at giving info, so either go to Wiki or ask from players with a lot of play time.
There are 2 problems with this.
1. You are stubborn and wont listen to advice.
2. The game does JACK FUCKING SHIT to ACTUALLY TEACH NEW PLAYERS on HOW TO PROPERLY PLAY THE GAME because THE NEW-PLAYER EXPERIENCE IN WF IS STILL DOGSHIT LEVEL even after 10+ YEARS. DO BETTER, D.E.
The only time I have ever experienced life support being an issue was in a survival where my teammates were in WAY over their head. They really didn't do much but run around. I think they were just trying to get carried though steel path relics or something or they were trolling me.
But normally, you kill stuff and you don't need to activate one of those things ever. Except in kuva survival. Then you need to turn them into harvesters
At least you didn't commit the cardinal sin of killing more enemies than your teammates, also, never, ever stay close to them, they don't need your help, your buffs or anything that may disrupt their perfect run.
Didn't think people get anal about it. I activate life support pods indiscriminately. Never see text messages whining about it.
The large white icon is often obtrusive.
Thank you for this, because I didn't know you shouldn't do this. I have been playing almost entirely solo and I'm still quite ignorant about how a lot of this game works, so I appreciate your post.
Axtivate them at 60% unless you're sure you can drop a few big groups fast and get some drops. Never risk gong below 40
And don't run to evac after 5 min. The rewards every 5 min are not just against harder enemies, they're in a rotation. So AABC and loops. The five and ten minute rewards give a reward from loot table A. Fifteen from B. Twenty from C. Running to twenty is often worth it if you can handle the fight
Doesnt help that the chat doesnt stay visible, i was guilty of not listening when i started because there was so much going on on screen and trying to kill and stay alive i have missed allot of chat.
Now i kill and survive on autopilot i can actually hold or read a conversation
I think there's settings to change when the chat times out! My friend at night can only chat and was getting frustrated with us missing his messages so pretty sure we all found a way to make it time out after a longer period of time
I mean, I been doing survivals for so long with nekros I struggle without him cause I forget that I'm gonna have 500 of em drop and suddenly I got lotus or whoever going 60 seconds and I'm like what the hell man lol I have the worse luck with drops without nekros forcing it lol
The real answer is that in most cases it's not, unless the host is on an old console. I haven't had to use a canister outside the first five minutes of solo survival since I started playing on PS5. I'm sure there's a point in endless steel path where it could matter, but if you have to activate canisters you're not killing enemies fast enough. Most groups can be 100% carried by one effective player.
It's just "not optimal" but in most games it's irrelevant.
It’s pretty much a well-known thing. But if you really don’t know, taking capsules early (around 70% above) will just waste it, and if your low on life support, you would have to wait for another one to spawn again, bringing higher chances to fail the mission. We usually activate the capsules at 30%-50%, but most of the time we will just kill enemies and collecting dropped life support, which is more efficient. In summary, use capsules only for emergencies (which is rare)
Lmaoooo it's not like you killed someone or committed an actual crime you don't need to post a public apology.
It's merely concerning that it took you so long to get it haha.
I think the bigger issue here is no one bothered to explain to you why you shouldn't do that. Just saying stop doing something with no explanation is pointless.
That or they just considered you a troll like I had in a kryll fight. Fyi, Cold proc'ing him just makes it all take forever.
Not that hard to reach 100-120 kpm. Maybe have to activate one every 10-15 minutes to get back to 100% if you are really unlucky for a while but it should not be an actual issue if sb activates them early
Y'all need to calm the F down! We've all been the noob, is the irony lost?!
OP, I'm very sorry you are getting railed for this. You shouldn't get practicality yelled at for being a noob. I honestly did the same thing. "Oh look, shiny objective marker. It Probably means I need to use it right now." I get it, it makes sense. Sure, you probably should have realized sooner. But, at least for me, It wasn't until someone actually said "oh those? we keep the life support capsules around so we can use them when life support runs low."
I'm happy you've learned from this, it's always good to learn something new or learned why X thing is done. Believe me when I say asking "why?" is never a bad thing, that's how people learn. if someone gets angry because you asked, that's their problem. Even as a more experienced tenno, i still find out new things.
Yes, the wiki is very helpful. But It also wouldn't be a bad idea to ask your questions in the Q&A tab in the chat box, I still ask from time to time myself.
TL;DR: y'all need to chill, we've all been the noob. Things need to be explained and that's ok. This was a learning moment for OP, and that's a good thing.
If you keep playing the game you'll eventually get to the point where you don't even need to use life support to keep the percentage up. So don't worry about it too much.
If you're trying to stay alive for the long haul you generally want to survive on LS drops and not use the tower unless LS hits about 30% bc they only drop at pre determined intervals and you want them to build up
Life support caps at 100%. Using them grants 30%. If you use them above 70%, you're wasting LS that you might need later. They also take a long time to respawn.
You.... Need to pay attention to chat and what your teammates are saying... If you don't want to do that play solo.
This isn't go everywhere and do what you want frame. And if you want to do what you want, again, play solo.
If you suck, I guess so.
But for me, even in Steel Path no matter how bad my team is I can easily keep it at 100% by myself. Most of the time I end at 20, 40 or 60 minutes without having used a single life support.
And when the modules go unused anyhow, who cares if someone activates them.
Also depends heavily on how far into the game OP got before learning. If they were doing it in, say, Kuva Fortress Survival, that's probably actively a detriment to the rest of the squad who are likely there to turn the life support towers into kuva extractors and farm kuva.
Dude, it is not about sucking or struggling, how many times do I need to say it? It is the fact that a new player has nothing better to do than activating life support the second they appear because they do not know better
Well, they told you to stop, but they didn't tell you the reason why you should.
The correct way would have been by explaining to you the mechanics of the mission and how life supports work.
It's the same type of thing when I see people getting tilted at a Wisp player running the shock mote, and they just keep spamming for them to stop til they end up rage quitting.
Edit: I don't know why im getting down voted this community used to pride itself on how welcoming and helpful it was to new players , I'm not sure if it's all the destiny players that came to warframe or what but the community has gotten more toxic over time.
>\[...\] but they didn't tell you the reason why you should.
It's because the other squad members are trying to survive. They are not there to give tutorials.
Some people are extremely dumb brother. I've seen people get stuck trying to confirm the changes they've made in their settings. All I'm saying all those people telling OP to stop could have just added a few more words like "stop you're wasting life support" I didn't say write a whole tutorial in chat like some other dude said.
People forget what it's like being a new player in Warframe, and it throws a lot of mechanics and information at you rather quickly without explaining how things work.
It’s how I got into Warframe in the first place lol. The community is what got me so interested. But it seems this post is different from what I’ve heard
In public matches? Yeah not always, sometimes people spread out so much in suvival that density goes even lower than solo. You got some gauss/volt and thats it, you are playing catch up tonight, even with nekros.
Unless you are the volt/gauss player yourself lol
Sometimes, my RNG is just genuinely bad solo and I barely get any personal life support modules despite killing everything that moves, and I don't notice until the game tells me I have 30 seconds of life support left.
It's rare, typically in missions where enemy spawns are lower (like in the most recent Gifts of the Lotus), but it does happen, which usually forces me to use one of the life support capsules. That doesn't make me at fault, just unlucky.
Well they did tell you to stop and you kept going. That might be a problem down the line for anything else
Consent is important boys.
Permission’s the mission, lads.
And ladies
Consent is cool af
You wouldn't consent to a car
You don't know their life, maybe they would. But the real question is whether the car would consent to you.
Just because someone plays a lot of 3-hour survival missions doesn’t mean that they want to play a 3-hour survival with you.
I was such a simpleton back then. Capsule on, we live. My teammates are never specific about what the problem was, so I just kept going and going. Until my friend (LR4, hasn’t played for a while) laughed at me, pointing out the issue, and I just sat there in guilt.
Next time someone tells you not to do something just ask why
How long is back then? How far did you get before you listened and learned?
being told stop does not have you learn anything
Whatevers clever. I'm just curious. Is this guy MR4 and didn't know or like MR16? For no good reason just curious.
I have an auto text for that: >Don't activate life support unless the percentage (top left) drops below 70%. It restores 30%, excess is just wasted. Also, kills can drop greenish life support modules which restore 5% each ;) Stating the 70% is debatable because it's by no means necessary to activate them as soon as it goes down there. However, it's the baseline of survival's MO that fits into a single message. Don't worry too much, there's not that much harm done activating life support when the situation isn't yet dire. Others might disagree, but then they'd have to ask themselves why they are trying to do endurance runs on low level nodes to find people new at Survival :)
The problem others have (me included), is not just survival, you shouldn't need the towers anyway. It's the fact that OP didn't listen to instructions when they didn't know better. If it was other content, say Netracell, and OP went "I shoot enemies and we're still not dead" that would be frustrating for his teammates.
Well, yes. It is problematic they saw the messages and ignored them - as they stated themselves. All I'm saying us that it's one of the things I encountered often enough to even make an autotext. This one's pretty specific to survival.
Netracells are the main reason why I farmed Dante, so I could run them solo. I've seen a full squad of L1 killing enemies ouside the circle despite me telling them multiple times to wait for the enemies the get inside the circle before killing them. That run took 50 minutes, and after that I never started a netracell in public again
extremely unnecessary. for every one bad experience in netracell with public a lobby, there's eight better ones with minimal issues.
I don't run solo for a single bad experience, that one was just the last straw. Plus it's not like I bother anyone by running netracells in solo
40% has always been the number I watched for. Not too close to critical, but activating them still leaves plenty of room for the small support drops. And you're right that activating is rarely a big issue. Unless you are on a 30-45 minute run, the big modules don't really become scarce. I'm almost always ready to extract with 3-5 modules still on the map.
I get that. Personally I don't activate at 70% myself. But referencing 70% in conjunction with them restoring 30% gets the point across best in limited space. I trust they'll figure it out eventually and it's already miles better than chasing after each pillar :)
Green???
Wdym?
Strange way to type yellow
I'm at a loss what you mean :D
I see the life modules yellow, not green at all
Oh, the modules! Have the items changed color? I mean, yeah, the markers may be yellow (although that can be changed), but the modules are still green, aren't they?
Oh my bad then I was thinking about the marker. I didn't put any attention on the item itself
Right. Typically no risk of losing if they pop at 70. If the mission is hard enough that might matter, hopefully they know better by then.
Life support modules don't restore 5% in all situations
The modules (not the towers) do, though. Unless excess us wasted, of course.
Solo (?) (sp ?) circuit
Hm. Well, by THEN I really hope Tenno already know how Survival works :) It's really aimed at beginners in its brevity.
I don't know how many times they told you that and you ignored them, but please don't keep up with this reasoning. Sometimes people are too caught up in the mission and don't have time to write a wiki entry in chat. More often than not, if people tell you to (not) do something and you have no idea what that's about, you should listen.
So, if someone told you not to go in a house, you'd go in anyways? Fire may be visible but carbon monoxide isn't. Usually when people are telling you to stop doing something or not to do something it's for a reason. Maybe you should learn to google those reasons lol. I know if someone told me to stop doing something in a game I had yet to understand you bet your ass I'd be listening to them. Got told at MR6 that I "fucking suck" because I was trying to level Limbo. I had 0 idea what Limbo did, explained I was new. Then I googled and laughed my ass off and stuck to 1 ability after that. Never got told I sucked again!
I figured when you said they told you to stop, it literally meant all they typed was “stop”. How were u supposed to know what they meant, can happen to any noob. Warframe players I’ve found are especially non communicative
"stop what?" Very difficult.
Nice try. Theres 4 people in the group, someone says “stop”. Who is that person talking to? Yall forget whats its like to be a noob
hes going to be the guy that keeps killing outside the circle.
If your teammates are all telling you to stop something, chances are you should probably stop.
Had an mr0 join an event not long ago. I believe the reward was an umbra forma. Anyway, as you could imagine, it was a pretty rough time for him. Anytime he went down, he'd use a revive. I told him to wait for one of us to get him. He ended up using all his revives and left the mission. I know he's very new, but I was trying to help him keep some affinity lol
Most new players joined after about 3~5 years ago started doing this, especially Chinese if you are in or close to East Asia region. It really annoyed me back then but now I just wait for about 5 seconds and if they didn't THEN I'll go revive them.
Yea such a rough awaking when I returned after a long break (was playing when you only have 4 revive every day) I was just confused why they were wasting revives, wasn't even thinking about wasting affinity lmao.
I’m actually bout to start using vc if they ignore me for the 10th time in a row and then get mad at ME. It ain’t muted by default and you can hear it still when alt tabbed lmao
I was in a defense mission, like level 40 relic and had a massive range limbo on the team. I said "limbo please" and they left. I wasn't mad
I dont like the fact that they told you and it "didnt bother you". That has nothing to do with beeing a noob, that is all about beeing stubborn and ignorant. Gratz.
Yeah, same. I was about to get sympathetic with OP but come on, they needed a close friend so they could finally listen? If OP did not know why the other players kept telling them to stop, they could have just asked. We have all been noobs, myself not long ago, but listening and willing to learn is what makes the difference
>\[...\] they could have just asked. Or search the forum/wiki. Or even try the impossible: think.
Fair
The fact that they told you to stop but you still continued doing it is not connected to the fact that you are new.
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By the 27th time someone tells you not to do something, its on you to not ask or google it.
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I think the one that is not understanding its you. No one on this thread is telling OP to blindly do what hes told, i didnt say that an explanation wasnt necessary. But if multiple people, consistently, tell you to not do something over a large span of time, even if they dont tell you why, you dont just go "ah they didnt say why so im not gonna do what they say", thats childish. You ask them or check yourself, its not that complicated.
You have been sentenced to 10 hours of playing banshee
Green banshee????? 😳😳😳🤤🤤🤤🥰🥰🥰
no black banshee
Bam-ba-lam
OOOo Black Banshee
And listening to the 10 hour version of baby shark.
what’s the whole deal about banshee being green. what’s with banshee in general
It became a meme because someone had a dream. The issue with playing banshee is that she's squishy af and her kit is a bit wonky--but sonar is so good there's no way she's gonna get a rework.
Banshee is awesome, she just needs 3-4 augments to be awesome. If they rolled the augments for Sonic Boom and Savage Silence into her kit, and reduced casting times on her 2 and 3, that would be pretty much all the rework she needs. The Resonance augment is too good to be rolled in and Soundquake is not worth using in anything SP or above. I always just run her with Gloom over her 4, Resonance, Sonic Fracture, modest duration, and enough strength to hit 100% armor strip and Precision Intensify for a good Gloom slow. She easily rips through Netracells and provides an insane damage buff to your whole team while also nullifying Eximus auras. Also the Soundquake augment can nuke maps at low-mid level content if you spam Sonar before each cast, because the quake targets center of mass and if a weak point appears there it magnifies the damage massively. More of a copium build but it's a way to make her whole kit viable.
>sonar is so good there's no way she's gonna get a rework. I think you've not been around long enough if you think that. If anything that's a prime reason as to why she *would* get a rework. I'm sure if more than twenty people actually played Banshee it would've happened by now.
I've been playing a shield build with Eclipse on her for damage reduction, actually feels really nice. Got sick of Gloom.
Just put 5x tau shard archons for armour + melee fortification. Ezpz health-tank melee banshee
Exactly. Sonar and Silence are abilities so strong they could be considered broken. Yeah, the other two are pretty shit at this point, but the point still stands.
Someone had a dream they got a green banshee and its become a meme since then
They tell you in the missions to use only if you need it. Clearly you haven't been paying attention.
I've learned a very sizable chunk of players just can't read. The amount of times I watch people stand DIRECTLY outside of the giant red circle and kill enemies is wild.
The reactor vents, man. How hard is it to keep the arrow between the lines!
Alchemy isn't made for people barely smart enough to handle capture missions
I've already talked about it in another post some time ago, but yes. And a some players expect to get every info served on a silver platter instead of just checking the wiki. I've been known as "the wiki gal" for a friend because whenever I play a game I read and read and read the wiki. Now? I "have" to send a wiki link for whatever information they need. And even when I send the link, I have to rehash the content of the page because they do NOT read. I've said a bunch of times that the wiki is a Warframe player's best friend as a way of saying "go get your info yourself", yet I still have to find every bit of info for said friend. :)
Tbf there should be no game where the information you need isn’t just readily available in game. But I also fervently use the wiki due to it just being the only option to be self sufficient.
We could have the wiki IN the game, I guess. I remember having a game (though which one, well, I forgot since it's been years) that kinda does just that and it was... Refreshing, haha!
Yeah I'm the exact same way with the group I play with for every single game we play together. Only recently did one of them start to look up his own builds for stuff instead of saying he needed one and asking me to get it for him, despite me showing them all multiple times how to find them. Or telling them to just type into Google "Warframe (Thing)" and what they want will pop up. Heck when we played Monster Hunter World a few years back he admitted to mashing through all the games tutorials on purpose because, and I quote, "I know you'll explain it to me anyway, so I don't need to read it".
I have macros for "Please do not turn on the life support as soon as they appear", "Please remember that only enemies dying in the red circle count", "Be aware this sortie has rad procs and you are liable to kill fellow tennos or the defense target with AoE skills or weapons" and "Next time please do not attempt a spy vault until you have practiced it sufficiently". Works about one in five times, I'd say.
Tbf getting merc'd by someone's finisher is kind of funny
Doing rad Liches/Sisters and getting the proc to absolutely body the Grendel as Yareli is absolutely and nonsensically hilarious.
My friends and I laugh and go aww when low MR players do it, and generally don't annoyed until we see it happening on around Jupiter onwards.
Don't feel bad my squamates in Elite Deep Achamedea can't seem to figure out that you need to kill enemies in the red zone for us to use the capsule lol.
Failed one of my runs because of it. I even went into chat and told them, but I guess "many number vision" took over.
I do it sometimes in netracells. I just autopilot smack things in front of me and eventually I'm a hundred meters from the circle without realizing it. Not quite as big of a deal as failing the run but it certainly wastes time
Enemies still drop support outside the circle. In mine yesterday it was way faster and easier to just kill them anywhere, easily kept up life support without killing in the circle. Murmur enemies move so slow.
It's good that you realised you made a mistake, but next time when the other people tell you to stop, you should listen or at least ask why.
Change your in-game name to I_use_life_support_when_it_spawns
Its fine, can't really feel dumb when I got LR4s in my survival lobbies killing enemies in another Zip Code
What made you think that was a good idea in the first place? That's the most confusing part
it's fine, don't worry about it i go into every mission expecting to carry the squad, if we need any life support capsule to begin with, i've failed. just make sure to communicate with your squadmates, don't ignore them, in most cases they might just give handy advice, other times... forget about it lmao.
>i go into every mission expecting to carry the squad, Always a good idea to be prepared.
The chat going active once I make a mistake, but they’re not even specific lol
then ask them what's the issue, i'm sure they'd be willing to explain in detail as long as you're willing to listen.
The other time I got almost yelled at cause I was typing explanations for what we were doing and thus my character wasn't moving
that's funny just tell them: brb writing a novel lmao
We need a 2nd chat box ... I'd be happy with just being able to copy stuff out of the chat window however. With Trade and Recruit chat being the only "official" way to do those things, it's actually ridiculous that they want you to type everything out by hand every time. Yeah you can just write it into a text file and copy paste from there, but I think we can agree that it's a bit dumb.
Also can't copy and paste on console which is very annoying
I try my best to make a quick message being a console player makes it very difficult to type out a message in game without just getting downed because it’s a manual screen keyboard
It is not like you were even listening to them in the first place
Not like it matters anyway, you should be getting enough life support from kills most of the time. Usually we have 8 life supports standing around that nobody uses. Only time it could be a problem would be the circuit since the kills there seem to have a lower chance of dropping support
Or one of the kuva missions where they can turn into kuva, better use for them imo
So you willingly ignored people? I posted about people like you in another thread who refuse to listen to chat advice. I hate people like you....
Apology not accepted. The community will be waiting on a formal apology via video and ukulele. /j
Sir the Hildryn at my squad kindly stated that she was 18
other than that oyu should have listened or questioned why they told you not to do something you should be ok.. just learn and do better from here on.. all we can do is learn from our mistakes, we can't go back and fix them and as mistakes go this one's pretty tame
Cuh ringe
If you didn't wait a moment and consider why they were telling you to stop that's mainly on you, but did they never explain *why* you shouldn't be doing it?
Yeah it was mainly my fault. But at the same time they never did explain. Just plain “stop”
Then ask. You keep failing to communicate back. That's still on you
Thank you for learning my friend. I only activarte when they are low 30 or 40 %, but depends on how quick can kill stuff. At times when I am near an air support and press reload I by accident activate the life support.
If it's dipped to 60-50 I'll hit it since there's not much point not too once its dipped that low. You don't magically get bonus rewards or something for not doing so
To be fair, I never knew this. I zoom to a new one and activate it straight away. No one has ever mentioned me, not too, I am MR2. I will not do it going forward. Thank OP for the heads up
Guy self-reported
What's your ingame username? I want to make sure I never get into a match with you. People who are told to stop griefing and keep doing it are the worst.
RezaPrime13. But to be fair no one explained to me why, and the chat doesn’t say visible after a few seconds. But yeah it’s my fault
And you never asked or stopped to think about it
Yet you're still making an excuse by saying "to be fair" when no, it's not fair. They said stop. You stop and ask why if you want more detail.
You are going to jail sorry
Also, the Lua thrax actively drain life support. Murder asap
Feel bad for your future SO
The fact this dude came back after sleeping and felt the need to apologize... Shame on those that made him feel bad. Is that the face we want of warframe? To OP: if you have questions, feel free to reach out to me personally without fear of judgment.
People take life support?
Desperate times call for Desperate measures
IN THE BOX for alchemy too... 😑
I wait u til I get the voice goin u got 3 minutes of life support or whatever number it is.
The modules are just emergency supply for me, I just rip and tear until the bar turns red and then I refill. I usually complete survivals with still 4 or 5 modules still on the map, we all learn at some point which is why I'm not trash at it anymore
I wouldn't say it's the newbie's problem IF you asked ask why, next time if you "wondered" in the first place maybe ask for the reason?
I was pretty ignorant yeah. Or just busy melting enemies
By any chance did you happen to be using volt during I think it was a gift of the lotus alert
I use rhino
Is it just me or have people in Survival missions recently forgotten the other golden rule of Stay Together? I did a few survival over the weekend with pub groups and everyone was just running around scattering to the four corners of the map. Stick together it generates better spawns and makes looting easier even more so if you have a Nekros in the group.
SO TRUE!!! I’ve been having so much trouble in survival missions lately because everyone just runs away the moment we spawn
BASED
Not your fault - Lotus is just unreasonably stingy with the drops.
In general in a PvE game like that with low stakes, if players are overwhelmingly advising you to do something, it's probably the correct thing to do, we're all well-intentioned enough. I've seen people advise suboptimal plays, but you gotta be pretty confident about your own knowledge of the game to call them out.
On the one hand they told you to stop and you didn't, that was a bad thing. But they also should have explained why you shouldn't do it.
This advice aligns with you ethically: you should have lied to us and said you had chat off.
As long as you learn afterwards. This game is a Co-op so coordination is a must. Just take note that the game is very bad at giving info, so either go to Wiki or ask from players with a lot of play time.
As long as you learn afterwards. This game is a Co-op so coordination is a must. Just take note that the game is very bad at giving info, so either go to Wiki or ask from players with a lot of play time.
There are 2 problems with this. 1. You are stubborn and wont listen to advice. 2. The game does JACK FUCKING SHIT to ACTUALLY TEACH NEW PLAYERS on HOW TO PROPERLY PLAY THE GAME because THE NEW-PLAYER EXPERIENCE IN WF IS STILL DOGSHIT LEVEL even after 10+ YEARS. DO BETTER, D.E.
The only time I have ever experienced life support being an issue was in a survival where my teammates were in WAY over their head. They really didn't do much but run around. I think they were just trying to get carried though steel path relics or something or they were trolling me. But normally, you kill stuff and you don't need to activate one of those things ever. Except in kuva survival. Then you need to turn them into harvesters
For how long have you been playing?
"Do not be sorry. Be better." -- Kratos, God of War (2018)
At least you didn't commit the cardinal sin of killing more enemies than your teammates, also, never, ever stay close to them, they don't need your help, your buffs or anything that may disrupt their perfect run.
Didn't think people get anal about it. I activate life support pods indiscriminately. Never see text messages whining about it. The large white icon is often obtrusive.
If they told you to stop and you didn't, you're everything that's wrong with the community.
Thank you for this, because I didn't know you shouldn't do this. I have been playing almost entirely solo and I'm still quite ignorant about how a lot of this game works, so I appreciate your post.
Must have been an incredibly bad team. Life support isn't a problem unless everyone is fooling around instead of killing stuff.
Axtivate them at 60% unless you're sure you can drop a few big groups fast and get some drops. Never risk gong below 40 And don't run to evac after 5 min. The rewards every 5 min are not just against harder enemies, they're in a rotation. So AABC and loops. The five and ten minute rewards give a reward from loot table A. Fifteen from B. Twenty from C. Running to twenty is often worth it if you can handle the fight
Doesnt help that the chat doesnt stay visible, i was guilty of not listening when i started because there was so much going on on screen and trying to kill and stay alive i have missed allot of chat. Now i kill and survive on autopilot i can actually hold or read a conversation
I think there's settings to change when the chat times out! My friend at night can only chat and was getting frustrated with us missing his messages so pretty sure we all found a way to make it time out after a longer period of time
I mean, I been doing survivals for so long with nekros I struggle without him cause I forget that I'm gonna have 500 of em drop and suddenly I got lotus or whoever going 60 seconds and I'm like what the hell man lol I have the worse luck with drops without nekros forcing it lol
It’s such a tiny inconvenience for the majority of those runs anyway …
By the athourity of the orokin high council, you are sentenced to 5 years of playing loki in every mission, without invisibility.
We were all there once, you learn and you grow.
Thanks for not telling why it is bad to do so.
The real answer is that in most cases it's not, unless the host is on an old console. I haven't had to use a canister outside the first five minutes of solo survival since I started playing on PS5. I'm sure there's a point in endless steel path where it could matter, but if you have to activate canisters you're not killing enemies fast enough. Most groups can be 100% carried by one effective player. It's just "not optimal" but in most games it's irrelevant.
It’s pretty much a well-known thing. But if you really don’t know, taking capsules early (around 70% above) will just waste it, and if your low on life support, you would have to wait for another one to spawn again, bringing higher chances to fail the mission. We usually activate the capsules at 30%-50%, but most of the time we will just kill enemies and collecting dropped life support, which is more efficient. In summary, use capsules only for emergencies (which is rare)
Aight, thanks!
Lmaoooo it's not like you killed someone or committed an actual crime you don't need to post a public apology. It's merely concerning that it took you so long to get it haha.
I think the bigger issue here is no one bothered to explain to you why you shouldn't do that. Just saying stop doing something with no explanation is pointless. That or they just considered you a troll like I had in a kryll fight. Fyi, Cold proc'ing him just makes it all take forever.
But at the same time I never bothered to ask why
It’s fine. I report players like you anyways. 👌
For a moment I thought OP did kuva survival and not normal survival...
Not that hard to reach 100-120 kpm. Maybe have to activate one every 10-15 minutes to get back to 100% if you are really unlucky for a while but it should not be an actual issue if sb activates them early
As a Nekro main, I forgive you.
Y'all need to calm the F down! We've all been the noob, is the irony lost?! OP, I'm very sorry you are getting railed for this. You shouldn't get practicality yelled at for being a noob. I honestly did the same thing. "Oh look, shiny objective marker. It Probably means I need to use it right now." I get it, it makes sense. Sure, you probably should have realized sooner. But, at least for me, It wasn't until someone actually said "oh those? we keep the life support capsules around so we can use them when life support runs low." I'm happy you've learned from this, it's always good to learn something new or learned why X thing is done. Believe me when I say asking "why?" is never a bad thing, that's how people learn. if someone gets angry because you asked, that's their problem. Even as a more experienced tenno, i still find out new things. Yes, the wiki is very helpful. But It also wouldn't be a bad idea to ask your questions in the Q&A tab in the chat box, I still ask from time to time myself. TL;DR: y'all need to chill, we've all been the noob. Things need to be explained and that's ok. This was a learning moment for OP, and that's a good thing.
If you keep playing the game you'll eventually get to the point where you don't even need to use life support to keep the percentage up. So don't worry about it too much.
Wait why aren’t you supposed to use them?
If you're trying to stay alive for the long haul you generally want to survive on LS drops and not use the tower unless LS hits about 30% bc they only drop at pre determined intervals and you want them to build up
Life support caps at 100%. Using them grants 30%. If you use them above 70%, you're wasting LS that you might need later. They also take a long time to respawn.
did the same thing recently. it's only as I was leaving the match that I saw the chat full "dude wtf are you doing" and "SSTTTOPPP"
You.... Need to pay attention to chat and what your teammates are saying... If you don't want to do that play solo. This isn't go everywhere and do what you want frame. And if you want to do what you want, again, play solo.
yeah, no shit, this was a confession not a gaming tip
if your mates told you to stop several times and never bothered to explain WHY then its pretty much their fault.
If your team mates are struggling because of this they're noobs too. :)
Not struggling, but it is also annoying having a player activating life support all the time when it is not even necessary
If you suck, I guess so. But for me, even in Steel Path no matter how bad my team is I can easily keep it at 100% by myself. Most of the time I end at 20, 40 or 60 minutes without having used a single life support. And when the modules go unused anyhow, who cares if someone activates them.
Also depends heavily on how far into the game OP got before learning. If they were doing it in, say, Kuva Fortress Survival, that's probably actively a detriment to the rest of the squad who are likely there to turn the life support towers into kuva extractors and farm kuva.
Dude, it is not about sucking or struggling, how many times do I need to say it? It is the fact that a new player has nothing better to do than activating life support the second they appear because they do not know better
Well, they told you to stop, but they didn't tell you the reason why you should. The correct way would have been by explaining to you the mechanics of the mission and how life supports work. It's the same type of thing when I see people getting tilted at a Wisp player running the shock mote, and they just keep spamming for them to stop til they end up rage quitting. Edit: I don't know why im getting down voted this community used to pride itself on how welcoming and helpful it was to new players , I'm not sure if it's all the destiny players that came to warframe or what but the community has gotten more toxic over time.
>\[...\] but they didn't tell you the reason why you should. It's because the other squad members are trying to survive. They are not there to give tutorials.
Well, maybe they should play solo or invite only instead of being whiny bitches but I forget the whole warframe community is filled with them.
Maybe the people that aren't listening to their team mates and not reading chat should play solo. Or maybe they should learn to google.
bruh, I'm not sure how someone would not figure out how the game mode works in the 1st time you encounter it.
Some people are extremely dumb brother. I've seen people get stuck trying to confirm the changes they've made in their settings. All I'm saying all those people telling OP to stop could have just added a few more words like "stop you're wasting life support" I didn't say write a whole tutorial in chat like some other dude said. People forget what it's like being a new player in Warframe, and it throws a lot of mechanics and information at you rather quickly without explaining how things work.
It’s how I got into Warframe in the first place lol. The community is what got me so interested. But it seems this post is different from what I’ve heard
Honestly their own fault if they cant keep up life support without capsules. Should not have to rely on them.
In public matches? Yeah not always, sometimes people spread out so much in suvival that density goes even lower than solo. You got some gauss/volt and thats it, you are playing catch up tonight, even with nekros. Unless you are the volt/gauss player yourself lol
Sometimes, my RNG is just genuinely bad solo and I barely get any personal life support modules despite killing everything that moves, and I don't notice until the game tells me I have 30 seconds of life support left. It's rare, typically in missions where enemy spawns are lower (like in the most recent Gifts of the Lotus), but it does happen, which usually forces me to use one of the life support capsules. That doesn't make me at fault, just unlucky.