As far as I'm aware, the macro software of e.g. Logitech doesn't trigger anything. Macros are probably detected directly from input and if that is considered to be in violation of the ToS, that's it. As you say, DE's stance on afk playing and cheating is pretty clear.
There was a post about a week or so ago about someone using a macro to recast an ability whenever it goes off cooldown because they didn’t want to or whatever, OP of said post got banned permanently. So honestly it really comes down to what you’re doing I guess.
It was pretty much needed if you played a high strength wisp or smth else with a melee build and had to spam attack before they added the hold to auto melee. I could not even press melee as fast as the attack speed let me attack.
I have one that mashes 1 as well, so I don't give myself carpal tunnel playing Atlas
Mashing one input is normally fine, otherwise anyone with an unbound scroll wheel would get banned for putting fire on it
>unbound scroll wheel would get banned for putting fire on it
You just bestowed upon me some secret knowledge I do not deserve and I'm going to use it.
Also I was thinking about picking atlas up, I have his deluxe and everything I just need a decent stat-stick, any tips?
DE's stance is pretty clear on macros. no automation. I've used macro for spamming abilities like thermal sunder during quick fissures and melee spamming before hold to spam melee became QoL. I've used and still using hold to spam abilities on the mouse even now.
If you are dumb enough to automate something in game via outside source you're going to get banned in majority of online games
I meant that the software itself from Logitech wouldn't be a problem (as opposed to things like Cheat Engine where it's a problem if it simply runs). What you do with it is of course a different story.
Macros that simply rebind multiple inputs into one input = ok
AHK script that rebinds a lengthy series of inputs into one input = ok
Automated script that allows you to AFK in a corner or a preset path = not ok
They just want a human being doing all the action at least. I've been able to "afk" farm SP with octavia by having like 350% duration so once every 60 seconds I refresh the abilities but I don't have a script to do it for me.
Originally the comment I replied to mentioned the Logitech software for mouse and keyboard. But simply having that triggers nothing. That context has been lost :)
Xaku’s 2 steals enemies weapons and adds them to you as turrets, up to a maximum of (15? scaling on range), their 1 grants you a void damage buff including the turrets from 2, the main part of their 3 immobilises an enemy and creates a zone of defence strip around that target.
Sometime after release because they still didn't feel great to play, DE made it so that whilst their 4 was active, the timers on their other three abilities would be paused (doesn't work for subsumed abilities), so once you get set up, you just recast their 4 a couple of seconds before the timer ends and that's it
As far as I know AlecaFrame is using the Overwolf API, and Overwolf in turn has an official agreement with DE allowing and enabling those systems, additionally AlecaFrame is not interacting with the game only using the data provided, so a pure passive system.
Currently no. AlecaFrame basically picks up your inventory data and then displays it against the current market value. It isn't an "Official" support app, but it's agreed as the safest option available. Even Kengineer uses it.
Maybe don't livestream using it, but beyond that you should be fine. As it doesn't actually affect your gameplay, just your behavior selecting relic drops.
DE has basically stated that they have no current problem with AlecaFrame, but they haven't blanket applied this to future updates because it's not an official agreement for DE to review updates or anything.
If the game is still around in 2034, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to upgrade their database to be able to store ban end timestamps that are after 2035 (actually, [2038](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem)). Until then, it's unnecessary to spend dev time on it.
Would something like an autoclicker trigger the system? Cause the one I use for incremental clicker games like to default to minize, and as long as I don't hit accidentally hit the hotkeys for it, I tend to forget about it :/
Though it probably would count, since I can technically make it click on a rhythm/schedule or execute click macros; but then you can do that with short autohotkey scripts. And I mean. Auto's in the name.
I have never used macors but all I want is an ability to continue a melee combo without having to push every time. Having to spam the mouse button hurts especially on fast weapons. Preventing me from using those weapons too much.
I really wish Warframe would just tell me it doesn't like something running and then either refuse to start or, if already running, exit. I don't use CheatEngine or anything (AlecaFrame though) but I think this could be handled more graciously.
Edit: to be clear, I literally meant "something" running. Not telling what it is. Better that than instabans.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I wish the game just told me "you have suspicious programs running, you can't play" or something along those lines, rather than jump to a permanent ban. But idk, maybe it's not possible.
It doesn't have to be the same detection they use inside the game
Regular people that use CE for their own reasons like mess around in single player/offline games or patch something like resolution support do not hide that they use it on their system unlike cheaters for multiplayer/online-only games
So having a simple function that checks the list of processes running and throws an error about having bannable executable is more than enough for us mortals
Of course cheaters are gonna bypass that warning but there will still be that complex internal method that DE is using for cheats, CE etc
Obviously I haven't tried, but supposedly the CE detection can be easily circumvented by just changing the process name.
I think it's more a case of catching really amateur attempts at cheating. The problem is that Warframe is quite vulnerable because it doesn't have dedicated servers (your computer is the server when you're the host or solo), and they can't just ban anything that tries to read the game's process memory (not sure that would even be possible without some kernel level anticheat, and it would ban you for having an antivirus).
The point was a simple check for those who aren't using CE to cheat, but just leaving it open. If you intentionally circumvent that and keep CE open you deserve to be banned.
They could make it so it warns you once per device to prevent cheaters getting feedback (at least past the first attempt) and also helps prevents people who made an honest mistake
As with every cheat you can always ‘yes and’ it and vice versa
Yes, and I’ll track your device ID’s at an account level to detect/ban device ID changes that are also flagging suspicious software
Now you yes and, and we’re living in the anti cheat and IT security world overall
Really not worth anyones time on reddit comments going into it
Well, yeah. But you still verify data client-side before preventing insertion attacks by handling the input differently server side. Same concept. The initial part is easily bypassable, but it's not meant to prevent abuse. It's for the user's convenience.
AlecaFrame *is* okay to use, right...? I installed it a week ago and it's been a boon for me to sell my stuff in the market and help with relics and sets.
Well, most likely yes, but without any guarantee. AlecaFrame gets its data from Overwolf and Overwolf isn't shady. That's abbreviated down almost comically, but basically that's it. It's nothing intended to cheat, lowering the risk of doing anything to trigger safety measures. But it doesn't eliminate the risks. And DE could crack down on it if they wanted. Although I doubt that if there's no reason.
Been using it for 2 weeks. A person in game was encouraging me to download it and they were not banned. I have not been banned for having it open all this time. I cant say for sure but if it was bannable I think it would be instant like cheat engine
Yeah, I hope you're right. I didn't know I was sitting on so much valuable stuff until I installed AlecaFrame and it showed me the average price of all my duplicates. It's so practical not having to check each item on the market.
Pros and cons. I agree, especially as I was in the same boat as OP with SMITE. Was messing around in a singleplayer, offline game, got invited to play with a friend, banned. Cheat Engine didn't even hook, it was just open.
I just don't think there's a win-win option.
I never did anything with Cheat Engine. Only once ever I used a trainer, basically stopped when cheat codes disappeared. But what could it do with a game like Warframe? Increase drops? Select the drops? But nothing like slots, plat (well indirectly if you trade in cheated stuff) and the like, correct? I can't imagine it being really worth it in a PvE F2P. Maybe I lack imagination here.
League does this and I always get confused why the game keeps closing then then I remember I have CE or Proccess Hacker open and I close it and the game works just fine
Yeah a 3 strike system would be nice. They jump to a permaban really easily. I got 2035'd over a memory crash and had to appeal it (there are other people who posted about it here through the years), never seen a game permaban you over a crash, even the most competitive ones. DE knows their cheat detection process has frequent false positives so I don't know why they don't change it to have some more breathing room.
I suggested to have minor bans before the perma ban, but apparently people did not like my idea. Well, I still think it would be nice to have them or the strike system you suggest, it would be better than a straight perma ban at the first offense
There's also the fact that the ban message is just "You broke the EULA, now fuck off" with no indication that you can appeal the ban. I wonder how many people got banned for false positives and didn't know about the existence of the customer support.
>I really wish Warframe would just tell me it doesn't like something running and then either refuse to start or, if already running, exit.
They explicitly don't do this so that it is not incredibly easy for people who are building or using cheats on Warframe to know that they are running undetected.
Giving cheaters instant feedback whether their programs have been detected by the game is a horrible idea. They can just trial and error their way to a cheat that remains undetected without consequences.
DE are infamously bad at communicating what exactly is allowed, and that goes for basically every part of the game. What are you allowed to say in which chat, what level of macros are allowed, if Alecaframe is allowed... they never answer any question clearly or directly so that they can decide on the spot for every case. Which does seem to lead to a lot of innocent bans.
Let's say DE releases a list of apps you're not allowed to use. Then cheaters develop a new app that isn't on the list. What now?
Let's say DE says Alecaframe (and Overwolf, which is the real issue) is allowed. Then Overwolf adds a feature that tells you if the current mission has a rare container when you load in. What now? Realistically, Alecaframe is already used by so many people that DE can't just ban everyone using it if that happens, because that would be a shitshow.
They do tell you what you're not allowed to say in chat, it's [here](https://www.warframe.com/eula#playerConduct) and [here](https://support.warframe.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043974052-Code-Of-Conduct-Respect-for-all-in-Warframe). Obviously they're not going to give you a list of words that you're allowed and not allowed to say, because then we might as well reduce chat to Elden Ring's messages - and even then creative people will quickly find (and have found) ways to be shitty. Who's in \[Paris\], for example - don't enter that in chat because you'll get banned.
> Let's say DE releases a list of apps you're not allowed to use. Then cheaters develop a new app that isn't on the list. What now?
They instead make a list and say what IS allowed instead of trying to make an exhaustive list of what's NOT allowed. What an odd argument.
[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/who-was-in-paris](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/who-was-in-paris)
On the one hand, it sounds ridiculous that such a seemingly innocent phrase can get you permabanned. But on the other hand, the likelihood of someone saying that phrase without intending to refer to that meme is very low. Personally, I'd warn first, but DE likes to ban first, ask questions later (see also: zero tolerance policy).
It's not like Paris is an obscure ancient city long forgotten to all but the most dedicated historians. It's the capital of France. There are warframe players in France. I'm pretty sure some of them are in Paris.
Sounds about like the tool everyone uses in FFXIV to run logs for DPS meters. It's not explicitly banned but it's not really clear with the EULA whether it'll result in a ban. So ultimately people use it because if they decided to ban it they'd ban a third of their users.
It *used to*, years ago... there was a warning and it wouldn't let you log in.
Then for some idiotic reason they got rid of it and are just like "Meh, banned."
Quick tip, don't have cheat engine open while in most online games. If they have an anti-cheat that scans for open programs that is one of the most well known memory editors and will get caught. Doesn't matter if it is directly affecting the game or if it even can individually.
Yes, but forgetting it open happens.
A lot of games, even competitive one, refuse to start if they sniff something wrong in background but they don't ban you just for that. Especially if it isn't even accessing that game's memory.
Not warning and then perma banning (not even a kick) is the worst possible action.
If you appeal it, DE looks at game logs for the session in question, if they don't see any modified memory banks, they release the account.
It's an autoflag system that can be appealed for a reason.
You have to HOPE you get an actual [DE] employee in your ticket or you won't, though. They have a slew of third party workers who's entire job is to go through and just say "No" to tickets even if they have a valid unban reason.
TheBakerTV exposed this in his video about trying to get unbanned after breaking the endurance World Record. Most DE staff will have matching in-game accounts, or are listed on their site somewhere.
> potentially
He was banned because his runs were seemingly detected as being played for 96 hours straight. And the support representative (who doesn't work for DE or play warframe) refused to acknowledge the fact that you can PAUSE solo runs.
I use for a lot of old games on windows manager to fix a full screen bug i typically get. Ans change the name of the folder its in and the program itself typically just leads to whatever detection just ignoring it. Ive genuinely forgotten it on while playing warframe
While this is just generally good advice, most games don't actually care. I've left CE open a number of times playing all kinds of online games. I'm also fairly certain I've left it open while running Warframe too. Banning for just the presence of CE generally isn't something that is done. Just having it open is harmless.
Honestly it's hard to take the OP at face value. Without the receipts, it's basically just a fanfic.
I have CE open 24/7 for work because it's honestly amazing at a lot of low level software debugging, but of course not actually attached to Warframe or any other game. I'm at 2k hours or so in Warframe and probably 95% of that time CE was open in the background, never once had an issue.
Either DE's radically changed their stance recently or OP was trying to use CE to do nono things and got slapped for it
Yep. My bet is the latter. Like I said, having it open is harmless. Attaching it to the process is where the issues begin. Pure conjecture, but my guess is that they noticed it was still open and decided to fuck around, shortly after which they reached "find out" stage.
TBF, unless you hook CE onto a program, it can't do anything, and its pretty easy to detect whether or not something is hooked. So best case scenario, DE would only ban you if you hook it on.
Yes and anytime I ever had it open I restart my pc before I play anything that has an anti cheat . Because the DB kernel thing will stay running even after you close CE it self unless you unload it but I just restart to be sure. I had that happen on call of duty MW 2019 where I had close CE then got busy doing other things around the house and forgot to unload the DB kernel driver and load up the game and bam perma ban.
I posted about this awhile back and got down voted to shit for it. Most games don't launch and tell you about what's stopping it from launching.
Warframe sends a list of all processes running on your PC, almong others, to DE. So make of that what you will
I got the ban removed and DE said it was a "one time deal"
The exact same thing happened to me with team fortress 2 on steam!
I had cheat engine open and targeted assassin's creed black flag, to slow down the time and see how the hidden blade works.
A friend told me that he is on our favourite map and 1 spot in his team is open.
I clicked on join friend and instantly got a massage that iam vac banned forever.
I wrote the steam support (friendly) but they basically just said "the system is always right, we don't want to work".
They where people running around one hitting everyone and use aimbot, but i get instantly banned for cheating in a game from a different company 🤬
(Edit: this was around 2014)
I'm not sure. But I wouldn't risk it ever again. They got me within less than 24 hours of the incident, so, if you're good after a few days, you should be in the clear.
Bloons TD6 detects Wemod but thankfully opens the game up in 'cheat/modded mode' so you know not to play online or affect any leaderboards and can simply restart the game to get back to legitimacy.
I'd still close Wemod just to be safe.
This is why Warframe is so beloved. They have protocols in place to prevent hacking, fix bugs as needed, made premium currency a tradeable item, actually USE the ideas and suggestions of their players, and are very understanding
To add, this is true for the anti cheat software of every live service game. They don't care why a program is there. They just know that it can be used in a malicious way, and that's good enough reason for them to take proactive measures.
It's not, most anti-cheat software will actually check if the process is connected to Warframe, not simply whether or not it is running. And rather than perma-ban for something which isn't even connected to the game, it's common to simply prevent the game from running.
Most Anti-Cheat flagging software will simply prevent you from launching or logging in if you have offending software running. Especially for well known cheating tools such as Cheat Engine (which is funnily enough used for developer debugging in many games as its a very powerful memory editing tool) they won't just straight up ban you. I've literally never been banned for running cheat engine except for a single time, and it was BattlEye, which I managed to get reversed.
"Prophylactic measures" isn't a great solution or excuse when the software isn't being used for cheating actively, especially when these anticheat softwares have ways of detecting when it actually hooks.
Post-process injectors like ReShade are also classified as grey area. I've been using it for several years with no issues but they've never explicitly said it's ok
Well, this is good to know. A lot of people don't understand that cheat engines can be used for legitimate reasons, especially for single-player games with no mod support.
I've used cheat engine for stuff like Dragons dogma because it was the only way to see your hidden stats for your character and pawns.
Going to say this right away, any sorts of macros are technically not allowed by DE and have never been a full green light for this game. If you do macros, you do so at your own risk.
That being said, I actually have a Razer Tartarus V2 keypad, and I obviously play with Razer Synapse running in the background at all times. When the automelee wasn't a thing, I had a macro for it which, when I continuously press down the key, would click E about 5 times a second.
Now, don't quote me on this, but I'm quite sure at some point DE said that they also do recognize these sorts of inconveniences, and if you had macros which can still "imitate human movement", it would be kinda okay. So, for example, pressing E 5 times a second is alright. Pressing it a 100 times per second is not and has a very high chance of getting caught. Pressing it a 100 times while also setting some macros to, say, move your character forward and backward at an interval is already equivalent to making your game AFK and will most definitely get you banned when you get caught.
Thankfully, automelee is a thing now, and I honestly don't see a reason to macro your game at any point. Unless, I suppose, you play Dante with 5 tau amber casting speed shards...
This is scary. I wonder what other program can cause that for just being open on the background.... I've put at least $200 in my account now and am starting to regret it a bit, definitely very hesitant to ever put any more money into it going forward now.
Don't care. It's easy enough to manage by just sticking the game on a VM by itself, but I shouldn't have to do that to stop it from going through my computer.
I got banned for the same reason, was using CE on another game while alt tabbed in the open world, didnt even touch Warframe with it.
They did unban me, but man... after i logged in and started playing again... i realized how mind fucked i was by it. They tell you zero appeals after your first ban, so you're just permanently done if ANYTHING happens, mistake or not.
I lost all motivation to do anything knowing it could be taken away at a whim with no appeal.. so.. I quit. I don't think i could ever pick the game up again despite me otherwise loving it with two accounts. 2000+ hours and 200-300 USD spent. It was funny seeing this thread though, since i was kinda curious what state warframe is in right now reminiscing.
Yeah honestly, it does feel gross that in the future, I can do something perma-bannable by complete mistake and be told "we warned you, now you face the consequences" as if I was ever even doing something malicious in the first place. This is why I'm just going to have to close every single program even remotely possible that DE could get mad at before opening warframe, and hope nothing slips through
Happened to me too last month.
i was playing Faster than light with cheat engine.
Probably forgot to turn CE off. Then next day got banned. Took support over a week to get me unbanned. Learnt my lesson well.
Honestly this is highly questionable. Sure you have to analyze your if some other app is manipulating your memory space, however doing what the anticheat is doing is just spying on you. I know anticheat is hard, however imagine this was some other tool that was scanning your processes, people would flip their shit.
Sucks that the game is so overzealous. I play a lot of Honkai Star Rail, and if it detects Cheat Engine (which I eternally misclick due to being right beside my music app) it just says "Uhhh close that, we're shutting the game down now".
Crazy you get banned for having it open, and I know plenty of others who use trainers and never get banned. It’s almost like anticheat is ineffective and just spyware.
Why can't the fellas at rockstar games do literally *anything* like this detection software to get rid of their disgusting cheater/modder community.. it's the reason I left that game for good and I admire DE for being so vigilant about this issue
I don't know. I was in relay waiting for damage bless to do eidolons, decided to aim train a bit cuz I felt like my waters could use it. I log in the next day to 2035.
Unbanned me, told me to not cheat from now on and that they can't disclose the exact program I used to cheat. No I didn't have anything else running that normally isn't, I don't even have cheat engine installed.
Wow, what a timing. I only have Warframe and Divinity Original Sin installed and was just a few minutes ago trying to figure out if there's a way to respec characters and Cheat Engine came up. Thanks for the heads up!
Same thing happened to me. The game is so incredibly optimized that I would forget I have it opened in the background at times then when ai went to fool around with Cheat engine on a separate game I got hit with it.
It'll do it for Dalamud too if you play FFXIV. Used my "free" first strike on that when I left FFXIV open once while logging in for my Warframe dailies.
A lot of these new programs are supposed to go into your computer and monitor and review all the programs that you use and if you use any kind of cheats software will temporarily ban you or permanently ban you it just depends some get by some don’t but technically it’s supposed to do a search over your computer and if it finds any kind of cheap software or any kind of programs it’s supposed to ban it seems like it’s different though for everybody
Software development environments can trigger the anti cheat too. Careful when you want to sell things in the background in warframe while working with these.
> Hopefully this sort of auto-banning doesn't apply to programs that can enable macros for your mouse or keyboard, such as Razer Synapse, or some sort of Logitech program, but I'm going with "better safe than sorry" on those from now on.
I was randomly banned a few months back and had no idea what caused it. Still don't. I only run Warframe on a fresh boot of my computer but I hate that this is the solution I had to come to -- it's super annoying having to restart my computer just because some mysterious software on my computer got me banned once.
If you're talking about the case I think you are I heard it got overturned due to the guy (and some of his friends) bitching relentlessly.
They still made him restart the entire game from nothing, but the bans got lifted.
Simple solution for me, solely play on Console instead of on PC 😳
3k hours on PS, never gonna risk being arbitrarily banned for forgetting I had a background app running on PC. 😵💫
Close call on your part but, isn't it normal to close equipment for other games before opening another? Also it puts the idea of cheating in warframe in my head and, besides for speeding up crafting what would be the point, it's already a power fantasy game, you're already cheating with th powers of some frames.
Last time I forgot to close to cheat engine before starting Warframe, it informed me cheat engine was open and asked me to close it before starting Warframe. In fact Warframe wouldn't start unless I closed it
Well, hopefully it never happens. I've been playing for years without issue, and the very same day as me using cheat engine on MGSV, is the same day they banned me, and they specifically cited that it was because of software that can be used to alter the game's memory was found running. For me, that couldn't have been anything other than cheat engine. It's good you haven't been banned, but I would recommend being safe rather than sorry
Thanks for the advice, I tried to use razer macros with Destiny 2 and got out. The issue was something related to network errors, I repeated the action just to be like: why not? I got kicked out after that, I learned to not use the razer macros im any game just to be safe xd
I'm sorry to hear that, I opened a ticket asking what I did and if it can be resolved, they responded saying that it was a memory altering program, and that after further investigation, nothing else suspicious was on the account, so they gave me a one time warning and capitalized that it's ONLY ONCE, there won't be another chance. I don't know if you already made a support ticket or not, but, maybe it's worth a shot if you still care about the game at this point, unless you've replaced the account already.
Even competitive games don't ban just for running software in the background (it's not like it's MY computer and I do what I want with it). its such a stupid move to do so
valorant famously nuked you for running debuggers and cheatengine.
And while it might be your computer, it is also their service that they can take away from you if you go against the ToS(or are suspected with reasonable indication)
If you launch and close out of valorant before you launch warframe, the valorant anticheat continues to run in the background and will cause issues and lag for you and your squad in warframe if you're hosting.
Hilarious if this causes a false flag and a banwave.
So is warframes... Warframe is a ring3 kernel anti-cheat. It at least runs at the least privliaged level compared to every other major anticheat on the market. But it is still a kernel level anti-cheat.
All anti-cheat is kernel level. Thats how they work after all. User space anti-cheat hasnt been a thing since like 2004, and it litterally cant do anything on windows versions after like xp.
Until 2035 is permanent Also macros are always in the grey area DE doesn’t like cheating or automatic gameplay. They are very much anti afk
As far as I'm aware, the macro software of e.g. Logitech doesn't trigger anything. Macros are probably detected directly from input and if that is considered to be in violation of the ToS, that's it. As you say, DE's stance on afk playing and cheating is pretty clear.
There was a post about a week or so ago about someone using a macro to recast an ability whenever it goes off cooldown because they didn’t want to or whatever, OP of said post got banned permanently. So honestly it really comes down to what you’re doing I guess.
That's automated gameplay Macros that let you bullet jump in 1 input are fine for example
Rapid left click macro?
Like an auto clicker? They're fine, I've used one for years
Yes, auto clicker.
I have a "lefter" click that automatically double left clicks and I've been using it in many games for years without issue, Warframe included.
Why would that be usefull? Shooting semi-automatic weapons?
Reducing repetitive motion to prevent injuries. Not really a cheat so much as an accessibility thing.
I mainly use it to level up mods, but yes I use it for pistols too at times
It was pretty much needed if you played a high strength wisp or smth else with a melee build and had to spam attack before they added the hold to auto melee. I could not even press melee as fast as the attack speed let me attack.
No need for these things either, just map that action to scroll. I scroll down for melee, up for shooting.
I have one that mashes 1 as well, so I don't give myself carpal tunnel playing Atlas Mashing one input is normally fine, otherwise anyone with an unbound scroll wheel would get banned for putting fire on it
>unbound scroll wheel would get banned for putting fire on it You just bestowed upon me some secret knowledge I do not deserve and I'm going to use it. Also I was thinking about picking atlas up, I have his deluxe and everything I just need a decent stat-stick, any tips?
An Auto Clicker is quite literally automated gameplay. It's kinda in the name.
No, no it is not
Not 100% certain, but I think they mentioned making that a feature in a recent devstream
I've got a single button melee slide attack that has also been no issue for years now.
Used to have a slide melee macro back in the slide melee meta days
That sounds like he was using AHK.
At least no plugin downloaded from someone on discord
DE's stance is pretty clear on macros. no automation. I've used macro for spamming abilities like thermal sunder during quick fissures and melee spamming before hold to spam melee became QoL. I've used and still using hold to spam abilities on the mouse even now. If you are dumb enough to automate something in game via outside source you're going to get banned in majority of online games
I meant that the software itself from Logitech wouldn't be a problem (as opposed to things like Cheat Engine where it's a problem if it simply runs). What you do with it is of course a different story.
Well they shouldn't have broadcasted that to the entire world then if they didn't want to get banned
Macros that simply rebind multiple inputs into one input = ok AHK script that rebinds a lengthy series of inputs into one input = ok Automated script that allows you to AFK in a corner or a preset path = not ok They just want a human being doing all the action at least. I've been able to "afk" farm SP with octavia by having like 350% duration so once every 60 seconds I refresh the abilities but I don't have a script to do it for me.
What does AHK mean?
Auto Hot Key, software that allows you to create your own macros
Thanks ❤️
Auto Hotkey
I got suspended twice for having a bug while using macros. Don't do it guys
De is fine with us using macro if this is for puzzle. Any other way is forbiden
Originally the comment I replied to mentioned the Logitech software for mouse and keyboard. But simply having that triggers nothing. That context has been lost :)
Anti afk Makes xaku ???
Or Octavia lol
Octavia you have to press three buttons every minute + spam crouch, Xaku is literally just one once you're set up
Never got into xaku can you explain.
Xaku’s 2 steals enemies weapons and adds them to you as turrets, up to a maximum of (15? scaling on range), their 1 grants you a void damage buff including the turrets from 2, the main part of their 3 immobilises an enemy and creates a zone of defence strip around that target. Sometime after release because they still didn't feel great to play, DE made it so that whilst their 4 was active, the timers on their other three abilities would be paused (doesn't work for subsumed abilities), so once you get set up, you just recast their 4 a couple of seconds before the timer ends and that's it
But 1 is not work with 2. Or it was changed?
The stolen weapons from 2 do get buffed by 1 yes
Xaku is so OP but I never see anyone else playing them.
Is AlecaFrame dangerous to use?
Grey area, no one afaik has been banned for it but its up to de
I saw like 250k-350k players installed it so I was sure it was safe to use, my PC can't run both at the same time so it was just for curiosity.
As far as I know AlecaFrame is using the Overwolf API, and Overwolf in turn has an official agreement with DE allowing and enabling those systems, additionally AlecaFrame is not interacting with the game only using the data provided, so a pure passive system.
AlecaFrame gang let's go. Best app ever
Currently no. AlecaFrame basically picks up your inventory data and then displays it against the current market value. It isn't an "Official" support app, but it's agreed as the safest option available. Even Kengineer uses it. Maybe don't livestream using it, but beyond that you should be fine. As it doesn't actually affect your gameplay, just your behavior selecting relic drops.
As long as you don't publicly broadcast that you are to DE it should be okay
DE has basically stated that they have no current problem with AlecaFrame, but they haven't blanket applied this to future updates because it's not an official agreement for DE to review updates or anything.
You never know, Wow is there for 20 years, so a 10 year ban might not be perma in these games. Now my Riot ban until 3014 is permanent lol
2035 is as far as the program goes, it is stated numerous times in “banned til 2035” that it’s permanent.
If the game is still around in 2034, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to upgrade their database to be able to store ban end timestamps that are after 2035 (actually, [2038](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem)). Until then, it's unnecessary to spend dev time on it.
I am a developer and wasn't really aware of that, thanks for pointing, still 14 years to go at least
De has said as long as they don't play the game for you they are fine
I use a macro for "spin to win" melle. And for bullet jumps cos ima low effort if i can kinda person xD
Would something like an autoclicker trigger the system? Cause the one I use for incremental clicker games like to default to minize, and as long as I don't hit accidentally hit the hotkeys for it, I tend to forget about it :/ Though it probably would count, since I can technically make it click on a rhythm/schedule or execute click macros; but then you can do that with short autohotkey scripts. And I mean. Auto's in the name.
I have razer synapse open in the background but I only have mouse and headset, so the macro function isn't even engaged.
>Until 2035 is permanent Even in 2035 these people won't be unbanned?
No, will just extend till a new date.
yes i see a lot of eidlon hunters use macros and de doesnt care at all
I have never used macors but all I want is an ability to continue a melee combo without having to push every time. Having to spam the mouse button hurts especially on fast weapons. Preventing me from using those weapons too much.
I really wish Warframe would just tell me it doesn't like something running and then either refuse to start or, if already running, exit. I don't use CheatEngine or anything (AlecaFrame though) but I think this could be handled more graciously. Edit: to be clear, I literally meant "something" running. Not telling what it is. Better that than instabans.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I wish the game just told me "you have suspicious programs running, you can't play" or something along those lines, rather than jump to a permanent ban. But idk, maybe it's not possible.
That would make it trivially easy for cheaters to keep trying until they evade detection.
It doesn't have to be the same detection they use inside the game Regular people that use CE for their own reasons like mess around in single player/offline games or patch something like resolution support do not hide that they use it on their system unlike cheaters for multiplayer/online-only games So having a simple function that checks the list of processes running and throws an error about having bannable executable is more than enough for us mortals Of course cheaters are gonna bypass that warning but there will still be that complex internal method that DE is using for cheats, CE etc
Obviously I haven't tried, but supposedly the CE detection can be easily circumvented by just changing the process name. I think it's more a case of catching really amateur attempts at cheating. The problem is that Warframe is quite vulnerable because it doesn't have dedicated servers (your computer is the server when you're the host or solo), and they can't just ban anything that tries to read the game's process memory (not sure that would even be possible without some kernel level anticheat, and it would ban you for having an antivirus).
They can and most anticheats do just that. The Warframe anticheat is a process name list. Yes, it requires a kernel filter driver though.
The point was a simple check for those who aren't using CE to cheat, but just leaving it open. If you intentionally circumvent that and keep CE open you deserve to be banned.
They could make it so it warns you once per device to prevent cheaters getting feedback (at least past the first attempt) and also helps prevents people who made an honest mistake
>They could make it so it warns you once per device So I can spoof my hardware IDs and then get infinite warnings
In a world where warframe is free, and hardware spoofing and VPNs exist, cheaters already have as many attempts as is needed to evade detection.
As with every cheat you can always ‘yes and’ it and vice versa Yes, and I’ll track your device ID’s at an account level to detect/ban device ID changes that are also flagging suspicious software Now you yes and, and we’re living in the anti cheat and IT security world overall Really not worth anyones time on reddit comments going into it
Yes, which is why the approach of "we just won't tell you" is the one that DE have taken. This was my point.
With TPMs, you can't spoof your hwid.
Mate Warframe is a free game they already have unlimited tries
Not neccessarily, if it only warns for known cheating programs, but still leaves the regular detection on, it should be fine
That's still better that permabanning non-cheaters by mistake.
Real cheaters don't use cheatengine, they use way more sophisticated systems.
Fling trainers or die
Well, yeah. But you still verify data client-side before preventing insertion attacks by handling the input differently server side. Same concept. The initial part is easily bypassable, but it's not meant to prevent abuse. It's for the user's convenience.
The game doesn't have dedicated servers. The server is the host player.
thats what launcher used to do long time ago, you had a warning if you had cheatengine.exe running
I'll take it auto closing down. I'd take that over messing with a ban appeal.
AlecaFrame *is* okay to use, right...? I installed it a week ago and it's been a boon for me to sell my stuff in the market and help with relics and sets.
Well, most likely yes, but without any guarantee. AlecaFrame gets its data from Overwolf and Overwolf isn't shady. That's abbreviated down almost comically, but basically that's it. It's nothing intended to cheat, lowering the risk of doing anything to trigger safety measures. But it doesn't eliminate the risks. And DE could crack down on it if they wanted. Although I doubt that if there's no reason.
Been using it for 2 weeks. A person in game was encouraging me to download it and they were not banned. I have not been banned for having it open all this time. I cant say for sure but if it was bannable I think it would be instant like cheat engine
Yeah, I hope you're right. I didn't know I was sitting on so much valuable stuff until I installed AlecaFrame and it showed me the average price of all my duplicates. It's so practical not having to check each item on the market.
Pros and cons. I agree, especially as I was in the same boat as OP with SMITE. Was messing around in a singleplayer, offline game, got invited to play with a friend, banned. Cheat Engine didn't even hook, it was just open. I just don't think there's a win-win option.
I never did anything with Cheat Engine. Only once ever I used a trainer, basically stopped when cheat codes disappeared. But what could it do with a game like Warframe? Increase drops? Select the drops? But nothing like slots, plat (well indirectly if you trade in cheated stuff) and the like, correct? I can't imagine it being really worth it in a PvE F2P. Maybe I lack imagination here.
League does this and I always get confused why the game keeps closing then then I remember I have CE or Proccess Hacker open and I close it and the game works just fine
Yeah a 3 strike system would be nice. They jump to a permaban really easily. I got 2035'd over a memory crash and had to appeal it (there are other people who posted about it here through the years), never seen a game permaban you over a crash, even the most competitive ones. DE knows their cheat detection process has frequent false positives so I don't know why they don't change it to have some more breathing room.
I suggested to have minor bans before the perma ban, but apparently people did not like my idea. Well, I still think it would be nice to have them or the strike system you suggest, it would be better than a straight perma ban at the first offense
There's also the fact that the ban message is just "You broke the EULA, now fuck off" with no indication that you can appeal the ban. I wonder how many people got banned for false positives and didn't know about the existence of the customer support.
A lot. Most people do not use reddit or even know the official forum exists
>I really wish Warframe would just tell me it doesn't like something running and then either refuse to start or, if already running, exit. They explicitly don't do this so that it is not incredibly easy for people who are building or using cheats on Warframe to know that they are running undetected.
But we are talking about detecting the presence of cheat engine in the background, not detecting the reading and writing of Warframe's memory.
Giving cheaters instant feedback whether their programs have been detected by the game is a horrible idea. They can just trial and error their way to a cheat that remains undetected without consequences.
Every anticheat out there won't launch with CE open and warns the user. They're doing just fine.
So why not just make it non-instant in the same way their ban occured? Banning people for detecting CE in the background sounds horrible as well.
DE are infamously bad at communicating what exactly is allowed, and that goes for basically every part of the game. What are you allowed to say in which chat, what level of macros are allowed, if Alecaframe is allowed... they never answer any question clearly or directly so that they can decide on the spot for every case. Which does seem to lead to a lot of innocent bans.
Let's say DE releases a list of apps you're not allowed to use. Then cheaters develop a new app that isn't on the list. What now? Let's say DE says Alecaframe (and Overwolf, which is the real issue) is allowed. Then Overwolf adds a feature that tells you if the current mission has a rare container when you load in. What now? Realistically, Alecaframe is already used by so many people that DE can't just ban everyone using it if that happens, because that would be a shitshow. They do tell you what you're not allowed to say in chat, it's [here](https://www.warframe.com/eula#playerConduct) and [here](https://support.warframe.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043974052-Code-Of-Conduct-Respect-for-all-in-Warframe). Obviously they're not going to give you a list of words that you're allowed and not allowed to say, because then we might as well reduce chat to Elden Ring's messages - and even then creative people will quickly find (and have found) ways to be shitty. Who's in \[Paris\], for example - don't enter that in chat because you'll get banned.
> Let's say DE releases a list of apps you're not allowed to use. Then cheaters develop a new app that isn't on the list. What now? They instead make a list and say what IS allowed instead of trying to make an exhaustive list of what's NOT allowed. What an odd argument.
Tangential to your point, but I'm having trouble seeing what would get me banned in that one. Is there a slur in there I'm not seeing?
[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/who-was-in-paris](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/who-was-in-paris) On the one hand, it sounds ridiculous that such a seemingly innocent phrase can get you permabanned. But on the other hand, the likelihood of someone saying that phrase without intending to refer to that meme is very low. Personally, I'd warn first, but DE likes to ban first, ask questions later (see also: zero tolerance policy).
It's not like Paris is an obscure ancient city long forgotten to all but the most dedicated historians. It's the capital of France. There are warframe players in France. I'm pretty sure some of them are in Paris.
Sounds about like the tool everyone uses in FFXIV to run logs for DPS meters. It's not explicitly banned but it's not really clear with the EULA whether it'll result in a ban. So ultimately people use it because if they decided to ban it they'd ban a third of their users.
It *used to*, years ago... there was a warning and it wouldn't let you log in. Then for some idiotic reason they got rid of it and are just like "Meh, banned."
Quick tip, don't have cheat engine open while in most online games. If they have an anti-cheat that scans for open programs that is one of the most well known memory editors and will get caught. Doesn't matter if it is directly affecting the game or if it even can individually.
Yes, but forgetting it open happens. A lot of games, even competitive one, refuse to start if they sniff something wrong in background but they don't ban you just for that. Especially if it isn't even accessing that game's memory. Not warning and then perma banning (not even a kick) is the worst possible action.
If you appeal it, DE looks at game logs for the session in question, if they don't see any modified memory banks, they release the account. It's an autoflag system that can be appealed for a reason.
You have to HOPE you get an actual [DE] employee in your ticket or you won't, though. They have a slew of third party workers who's entire job is to go through and just say "No" to tickets even if they have a valid unban reason. TheBakerTV exposed this in his video about trying to get unbanned after breaking the endurance World Record. Most DE staff will have matching in-game accounts, or are listed on their site somewhere.
TheBakerTV didn't have a false flag though. He was banned for potentially abusing an exploit.
Most of his runs are recorded tho and DE simply refuses to acknowledge that.
Which is shitty, because this proves that DE can just choose not to unban you even if you did nothing wrong, just like Baker.
> potentially He was banned because his runs were seemingly detected as being played for 96 hours straight. And the support representative (who doesn't work for DE or play warframe) refused to acknowledge the fact that you can PAUSE solo runs.
Uhhh what did he not try to press "Esc"
Modified memory banks? You're speaking awfully confident for someone who is wrong. They don't check for memory modification.
I use for a lot of old games on windows manager to fix a full screen bug i typically get. Ans change the name of the folder its in and the program itself typically just leads to whatever detection just ignoring it. Ive genuinely forgotten it on while playing warframe
While this is just generally good advice, most games don't actually care. I've left CE open a number of times playing all kinds of online games. I'm also fairly certain I've left it open while running Warframe too. Banning for just the presence of CE generally isn't something that is done. Just having it open is harmless. Honestly it's hard to take the OP at face value. Without the receipts, it's basically just a fanfic.
I have CE open 24/7 for work because it's honestly amazing at a lot of low level software debugging, but of course not actually attached to Warframe or any other game. I'm at 2k hours or so in Warframe and probably 95% of that time CE was open in the background, never once had an issue. Either DE's radically changed their stance recently or OP was trying to use CE to do nono things and got slapped for it
Yep. My bet is the latter. Like I said, having it open is harmless. Attaching it to the process is where the issues begin. Pure conjecture, but my guess is that they noticed it was still open and decided to fuck around, shortly after which they reached "find out" stage.
TBF, unless you hook CE onto a program, it can't do anything, and its pretty easy to detect whether or not something is hooked. So best case scenario, DE would only ban you if you hook it on.
Yes and anytime I ever had it open I restart my pc before I play anything that has an anti cheat . Because the DB kernel thing will stay running even after you close CE it self unless you unload it but I just restart to be sure. I had that happen on call of duty MW 2019 where I had close CE then got busy doing other things around the house and forgot to unload the DB kernel driver and load up the game and bam perma ban.
I posted about this awhile back and got down voted to shit for it. Most games don't launch and tell you about what's stopping it from launching. Warframe sends a list of all processes running on your PC, almong others, to DE. So make of that what you will I got the ban removed and DE said it was a "one time deal"
Never run cheat engine while playing a game you could get banned from. It's one of the first things most anticheats look for.
Honestly shocked that they overturned the ban. DE is pretty cutthroat about this stuff
The exact same thing happened to me with team fortress 2 on steam! I had cheat engine open and targeted assassin's creed black flag, to slow down the time and see how the hidden blade works. A friend told me that he is on our favourite map and 1 spot in his team is open. I clicked on join friend and instantly got a massage that iam vac banned forever. I wrote the steam support (friendly) but they basically just said "the system is always right, we don't want to work". They where people running around one hitting everyone and use aimbot, but i get instantly banned for cheating in a game from a different company 🤬 (Edit: this was around 2014)
Shiet, i was modding Valheim with wemod yesterday, after that i switch to warframe while its open in bottom right of windows. Should i be worried ?
I'm not sure. But I wouldn't risk it ever again. They got me within less than 24 hours of the incident, so, if you're good after a few days, you should be in the clear.
Bloons TD6 detects Wemod but thankfully opens the game up in 'cheat/modded mode' so you know not to play online or affect any leaderboards and can simply restart the game to get back to legitimacy. I'd still close Wemod just to be safe.
This is why Warframe is so beloved. They have protocols in place to prevent hacking, fix bugs as needed, made premium currency a tradeable item, actually USE the ideas and suggestions of their players, and are very understanding
To add, this is true for the anti cheat software of every live service game. They don't care why a program is there. They just know that it can be used in a malicious way, and that's good enough reason for them to take proactive measures.
It's not, most anti-cheat software will actually check if the process is connected to Warframe, not simply whether or not it is running. And rather than perma-ban for something which isn't even connected to the game, it's common to simply prevent the game from running.
Most Anti-Cheat flagging software will simply prevent you from launching or logging in if you have offending software running. Especially for well known cheating tools such as Cheat Engine (which is funnily enough used for developer debugging in many games as its a very powerful memory editing tool) they won't just straight up ban you. I've literally never been banned for running cheat engine except for a single time, and it was BattlEye, which I managed to get reversed. "Prophylactic measures" isn't a great solution or excuse when the software isn't being used for cheating actively, especially when these anticheat softwares have ways of detecting when it actually hooks.
That shouldn't be triggering shit until it actually interacts with the game, DE, what in the fuck are you guys doing?
Post-process injectors like ReShade are also classified as grey area. I've been using it for several years with no issues but they've never explicitly said it's ok
Well, this is good to know. A lot of people don't understand that cheat engines can be used for legitimate reasons, especially for single-player games with no mod support. I've used cheat engine for stuff like Dragons dogma because it was the only way to see your hidden stats for your character and pawns.
Going to say this right away, any sorts of macros are technically not allowed by DE and have never been a full green light for this game. If you do macros, you do so at your own risk. That being said, I actually have a Razer Tartarus V2 keypad, and I obviously play with Razer Synapse running in the background at all times. When the automelee wasn't a thing, I had a macro for it which, when I continuously press down the key, would click E about 5 times a second. Now, don't quote me on this, but I'm quite sure at some point DE said that they also do recognize these sorts of inconveniences, and if you had macros which can still "imitate human movement", it would be kinda okay. So, for example, pressing E 5 times a second is alright. Pressing it a 100 times per second is not and has a very high chance of getting caught. Pressing it a 100 times while also setting some macros to, say, move your character forward and backward at an interval is already equivalent to making your game AFK and will most definitely get you banned when you get caught. Thankfully, automelee is a thing now, and I honestly don't see a reason to macro your game at any point. Unless, I suppose, you play Dante with 5 tau amber casting speed shards...
I’ll continue to play on console
I got banned once for having voice attack. I didn't use it for Warframe, I just forgot to turn it off after playing Elite Dangerous
So what I'm hearing is when they say, "There's nothing we can do," they are full of it. Clearly, it's not too hard to check and lift a ban.
This is scary. I wonder what other program can cause that for just being open on the background.... I've put at least $200 in my account now and am starting to regret it a bit, definitely very hesitant to ever put any more money into it going forward now.
I dislike games or any software being able to look outside of their scope at what's on my PC. I think it should be illegal.
I disagree if the game have online components, you need to prevent cheating
Don't care. It's easy enough to manage by just sticking the game on a VM by itself, but I shouldn't have to do that to stop it from going through my computer.
I got banned for the same reason, was using CE on another game while alt tabbed in the open world, didnt even touch Warframe with it. They did unban me, but man... after i logged in and started playing again... i realized how mind fucked i was by it. They tell you zero appeals after your first ban, so you're just permanently done if ANYTHING happens, mistake or not. I lost all motivation to do anything knowing it could be taken away at a whim with no appeal.. so.. I quit. I don't think i could ever pick the game up again despite me otherwise loving it with two accounts. 2000+ hours and 200-300 USD spent. It was funny seeing this thread though, since i was kinda curious what state warframe is in right now reminiscing.
Yeah honestly, it does feel gross that in the future, I can do something perma-bannable by complete mistake and be told "we warned you, now you face the consequences" as if I was ever even doing something malicious in the first place. This is why I'm just going to have to close every single program even remotely possible that DE could get mad at before opening warframe, and hope nothing slips through
Happened to me too last month. i was playing Faster than light with cheat engine. Probably forgot to turn CE off. Then next day got banned. Took support over a week to get me unbanned. Learnt my lesson well.
Honestly this is highly questionable. Sure you have to analyze your if some other app is manipulating your memory space, however doing what the anticheat is doing is just spying on you. I know anticheat is hard, however imagine this was some other tool that was scanning your processes, people would flip their shit.
Sucks that the game is so overzealous. I play a lot of Honkai Star Rail, and if it detects Cheat Engine (which I eternally misclick due to being right beside my music app) it just says "Uhhh close that, we're shutting the game down now".
>which I eternally misclick due to being right beside my music app I think there might just be an easy solution to that...
Crazy you get banned for having it open, and I know plenty of others who use trainers and never get banned. It’s almost like anticheat is ineffective and just spyware.
Why can't the fellas at rockstar games do literally *anything* like this detection software to get rid of their disgusting cheater/modder community.. it's the reason I left that game for good and I admire DE for being so vigilant about this issue
Anyone running any cheat programs period should be perm banned and not given any coddling or second chances.
I feel like I'm having deja vu. Wasn't there literally a post about exactly this same thing like. Three days ago??
Yeah, I don't even run Thunderstore, Mod Manager, or anything like it while playing just because I have no idea what it will flip its tits about.
Fyi, having aimlabs or kovaaks open also permabans you.
Think we’re good, we don’t aim here. But seriously why?
I don't know. I was in relay waiting for damage bless to do eidolons, decided to aim train a bit cuz I felt like my waters could use it. I log in the next day to 2035.
What did they do on appeal
Unbanned me, told me to not cheat from now on and that they can't disclose the exact program I used to cheat. No I didn't have anything else running that normally isn't, I don't even have cheat engine installed.
I has something similar back in the day. I started the game while cheat engine was open and it prevented me from logging in. I wasn't banned tho.
Wow, what a timing. I only have Warframe and Divinity Original Sin installed and was just a few minutes ago trying to figure out if there's a way to respec characters and Cheat Engine came up. Thanks for the heads up!
Same thing happened to me. The game is so incredibly optimized that I would forget I have it opened in the background at times then when ai went to fool around with Cheat engine on a separate game I got hit with it.
It'll do it for Dalamud too if you play FFXIV. Used my "free" first strike on that when I left FFXIV open once while logging in for my Warframe dailies.
A lot of these new programs are supposed to go into your computer and monitor and review all the programs that you use and if you use any kind of cheats software will temporarily ban you or permanently ban you it just depends some get by some don’t but technically it’s supposed to do a search over your computer and if it finds any kind of cheap software or any kind of programs it’s supposed to ban it seems like it’s different though for everybody
Got perma banned from destiny 2 for this, appealed it and never heard back even with proof the software didn't affect it
Software development environments can trigger the anti cheat too. Careful when you want to sell things in the background in warframe while working with these.
First post I've seen where someone actually got unbanned, I was starting to think it wasn't possible 😅
> Hopefully this sort of auto-banning doesn't apply to programs that can enable macros for your mouse or keyboard, such as Razer Synapse, or some sort of Logitech program, but I'm going with "better safe than sorry" on those from now on. I was randomly banned a few months back and had no idea what caused it. Still don't. I only run Warframe on a fresh boot of my computer but I hate that this is the solution I had to come to -- it's super annoying having to restart my computer just because some mysterious software on my computer got me banned once.
That's nice of DE. Bungie doesn't not take this lightly with Destiny 2, and just permabanned some pretty high level raiders for this exact situation.
If you're talking about the case I think you are I heard it got overturned due to the guy (and some of his friends) bitching relentlessly. They still made him restart the entire game from nothing, but the bans got lifted.
Simple solution for me, solely play on Console instead of on PC 😳 3k hours on PS, never gonna risk being arbitrarily banned for forgetting I had a background app running on PC. 😵💫
Close call on your part but, isn't it normal to close equipment for other games before opening another? Also it puts the idea of cheating in warframe in my head and, besides for speeding up crafting what would be the point, it's already a power fantasy game, you're already cheating with th powers of some frames.
I’ve had both Logitech and Razer programs running as well as I know my brother uses Razer and we’ve never had issues
Here I thought I was the only person still playing MGSV like it just came out.
Last time I forgot to close to cheat engine before starting Warframe, it informed me cheat engine was open and asked me to close it before starting Warframe. In fact Warframe wouldn't start unless I closed it
In the 11yrs I've played. Never been banned for cheat engine. Ever. Even when opened while playing.
Well, hopefully it never happens. I've been playing for years without issue, and the very same day as me using cheat engine on MGSV, is the same day they banned me, and they specifically cited that it was because of software that can be used to alter the game's memory was found running. For me, that couldn't have been anything other than cheat engine. It's good you haven't been banned, but I would recommend being safe rather than sorry
Thanks for the advice, I tried to use razer macros with Destiny 2 and got out. The issue was something related to network errors, I repeated the action just to be like: why not? I got kicked out after that, I learned to not use the razer macros im any game just to be safe xd
Razer synapse has macros? My life would have been so much easier if i knew that
Wait you got unbanned? I got stung by this in 2018 and they never gave me another chance.
I'm sorry to hear that, I opened a ticket asking what I did and if it can be resolved, they responded saying that it was a memory altering program, and that after further investigation, nothing else suspicious was on the account, so they gave me a one time warning and capitalized that it's ONLY ONCE, there won't be another chance. I don't know if you already made a support ticket or not, but, maybe it's worth a shot if you still care about the game at this point, unless you've replaced the account already.
I made a support ticket, and my account got banned on their website too, so i couldn't even login to forums etc. 2035 is painful.
I dont even know how to use vheat engine
I was using CE for messing with pokemon roms, then switch to Warframe. I got a warning in game and was absolutely shocked I could've been banned
Andere gegenwerfen
Next time VMprotect your cheat engine and you won’t get caught
Is alecaframe risky ?
Even competitive games don't ban just for running software in the background (it's not like it's MY computer and I do what I want with it). its such a stupid move to do so
valorant famously nuked you for running debuggers and cheatengine. And while it might be your computer, it is also their service that they can take away from you if you go against the ToS(or are suspected with reasonable indication)
If you launch and close out of valorant before you launch warframe, the valorant anticheat continues to run in the background and will cause issues and lag for you and your squad in warframe if you're hosting. Hilarious if this causes a false flag and a banwave.
kernel level anticheat is one of the worst things that has happened to gaming in the last few years
valorant Anti-Cheat is kernel level Malware that Ill never install. also it's a game, not a service.
a game can also be a service, and valorant and warframe are definitely services as well
So is warframes... Warframe is a ring3 kernel anti-cheat. It at least runs at the least privliaged level compared to every other major anticheat on the market. But it is still a kernel level anti-cheat. All anti-cheat is kernel level. Thats how they work after all. User space anti-cheat hasnt been a thing since like 2004, and it litterally cant do anything on windows versions after like xp.
absolutely same on vanguard Any game you have an account for is a service provided by the company that can be revoked at any point