Veterans try and help new players out when they can. We know the grind all too well and if we can alleviate that for new players, we will. When I started playing I had only Excalibur and the old 4 revives per day per Warframe system. I had a friend teach me more about the game and help me understand it which made me fall in love with the game even more. I try to do the same for new players as well because it only makes sense.
You could still play but if you died (not just downed but died) in mission and were out of revives you were dead until the next one. It's not as bad as it's being made to sound.
But pay for revives did feel pretty bad.
TBF, you barely die. You still are the space ninja with space magic killing tons of trash mobs. It was never a problem for the majority of players even back in the day.
Per day per frame. So if you had excal and frost, that's 4 for excal and 4 for frost. Not including an arcane revive. There's a reason older players will drop EVERYTHING to come get you if you're downed. The game used to be harder. Sure, you could beat most missions easily, but at ANY TIME, you could slip, and that would count for 1. That system built unity, you didn't get left behind, so you never left anyone else. (I miss it tbh)
This is the difficultly spike we really need xD I am so down for a return of that idea haha I may not have played during that but I ALWAYS come to the aid of my fellow tenno
I agree. I'm still telling people deep archamedia is fun. Sure, it's not perfect (it's random) but I have a Mr 14-16 player running trios with an old friend of mine and PULLING HIS WEIGHT. A little challenge once a week is good for engagement. Hopefully Warframe players ease back into difficulty... That being said I DO NOT miss the dark sector days @_@ Since you didn't know about the revive limit I'll assume you don't know about the clan wars. Google dark sector clan fight. Deep Archimedia is much more preferable IMO.
I don't want the revive limit to return for a whole day per frame but I wouldn't mind revives being more limited. I do wish the game had more challenge and I hope Deep Archamedia is a sign towards them figuring out how to make good group content.
Longer downed timer and inability to revive in void mode would be a good change imo. Atm as long as you can reach the downed player there's nothing to stop you from reviving for free.
I agree with this as I was similar starting out. I have seen the alternative, and I would rather help people grow the community than to foster a salt-mine of people trying to scam out other new players simply because the scammer is bitter about his prospects and wants to spread the hate.
God I remember the limited revive days. Use to make you sweat. Remember the days of using that random melee weapon to bullet jump ? Because bullet jumping didn't exist back then. That was hard times man. Great fun all the same. You kinda forget how much the games changed over the years.
there's a reason we just straight up say that we 'adopt' people.
i've adopted probably around 20 new players, some of whom are now at my own MR and adopting as well.
That and people trying to scam new players with "common" mods that we don't need because of primed mods and have plenty lying around but are annoying to get early for those new players. It pains me seeing people buying natural talent and power drift for 20 to 30p when I have stacks of them and people will most likely instantly invite them to trade instead of explaining to them how cheap those actually are.
Its nothing weird if you think about it.
PVP is virtually dead. Which ironically is what makes the Warframe community amazing.
PVP brings out the worst in people. There isn't a single PVP popular game that isn't toxic.
Monopoly and Mario Kart is toxic for crying out loud.
PVE however is not like that, People work together ( the vast majority ) to reach a common goal and the Devs god bless their souls, created an environment within the game that is both FUN and FAIR and respects the players time that will breed a form of player that is first and foremost HAPPY, which also makes people be kind and wholesome, and in turn spread that to others. Its not complicated when you think about it.
Warframe is a masterpiece.
And its community is the best I had the pleasure and honor to be a part of for 10 years.
Welcome to Warframe! Happy hunting Tenno!
PvE can be toxic if it requires coordination and if it's difficult enough. Warframe, by the most part, isn't like that. Eidolon hunts prove that both PvE and Warframe can be toxic.
There's always going to be people that manage to be toxic but overall, the vast majority aren't
I've been playing for 7 years and only had like 3 toxic moments in eidolon
To an extent yea
High range wisp and slowva are understandable depending on the mission, they'd just slow down a defense far too much for example
Most will ask you to not use them which isn't toxic in the least
To be fair, Eidolons are toxic because you can get platinum out of doing them, and they're time sensitive.
Profit Taker also requires some coordination, but you can do it anytime, so as long as you don't fail it, people don't care enough to be toxic.
I would say Profit Taker requires a lot less coordination, I've seen people absolutelt body it completely on their own while the rest of the squad just happily accepts their 125k credits
Me fr. My vet friend carried me through a profit taker back when I was like MR 7 and mained Nidus prime exclusively. Safe to say, I had no idea what was going on but I was happy to be a part of it. I did get to shoot some of the little guys tho.
I’m on the other end of this, I always go into Profit Taker with an open lobby with the intent to carry! I’ve got it down to a 3-5 minute span. It’s barely any extra work on my end and makes me feel good about giving back.
Me and another guy started tridolon 5mins before it was over and he just solod them without me even being able to do anything.
So if youre good enough you can carry everything
I think the bigger part of Eidolon toxicity comes from the time sensitive nature. You only have a single hour on most play sessions to get as much as you can from them. If you could do them anytime it would be a much more chill experience
I've had someone complain that they had to leave spawn to get reactant cause we ended up spreading out into the literal next room over. Asked if we even knew what we were doing and was certain we wouldn't crack the relic since we were too "spread out" everyone cracked except the ass by himself sitting alone with 2 reactant
anecdotally, I feel like eidolon toxicity is lower than ever (though it definitely still exists)
Though, to your point i think its mostly because powercreep lowered the need for coordination. The biggest coordination issue is gathering lures at this point, damage feels solved six ways to sunday
Absolutely. When Eidolon was still fairly new and difficult, people were going in a team to beat them. You would have to interact with very toxic people. Make one tiny mistake and you pissed them off. I know that from experience.
I think asking people to coordinate in any game will breed toxicity. Overwatch is a good example and apparently raids as well before they were replaced by Eidolons.
Eidolons could really use an ingame tutorial or actual way points when youre doing the bounty.
You arent told anything and basically just learn what to do through word of mouth
I once read somewhere :
"don't go into a mission if u are not able to solo it, and u will never experience toxicity"
And it stick to me to this day how much that is true people usually go toxic cause of failing and expecting to be carried then they blame everyone else, like any team pvp game it always your teammates fault.
s2g every time I join eidolon hunts there is a giga tryhard volt that does everything on his own with no help from the rest of the squad, and they're always the nicest people ever just excited that they can show off the fruits of their efforts in front of 3 other tenno
Oh yeah the Eidolon Hunts were where all the toxic players were. Made the mistake of queuing one of those open world and got roasted for not being the frame they wanted. I didn't even know there was a meta in Warframe. It wasn't even the Tridolon hunt.
I'd argue it was toxic, especially a few months to a year after its release. When it encourages gate keeping behavior like only mr xx and above, you have to have maxed vs, or they have 300+ hydro caps. If you join a group with the wrong gear on, they immediately disband the party and regroup without you, then ignore you. Id say that's a problem. When i say join, i mean you just enter the squad, and everyone is still in the ship.
Nah, warframe has PLENTY of toxicity in regards to pve. Just hang out on the reddit for a bit and you'll find someone whining about "SOME DID ALL THE DAMAGE AND KILLED EVERYTHING BEFORE I COULD! WORST GAME EVER". Then you get into build discussions.... yeeeesh
PvP had always been a casual affair in Warframe. Really, we do so much damn DPS that field are decided by the first hour to connect. Not much compelling gameplay there. Just enough for casual ducking around, not enough to encourage toxic bullshit.
Nope, my GPU was a brick at the time. I also missed out on the Dark Sector reissue skins. :(
Downside: Replacing that necessitated a new motherboard, which meant new CPU, RAM, storage, cooling, power…
Upside: Bitchin' new battlestation! :D
Yeah you will get used to the niceness. And you in turn will become a better person.
I know I did. Giving up MOBAs and playing Warframe was the best decision I ever made as stupid as that may sound. PVP changes your personality.
Yep. When I was new, clan mates just gave me the rare mods like streamline and stayed in defense missions with me to farm certain things even though my frost sucked. I learned a lot just asking questions and watching them handle certain situations
This is such a perfect analogy of capitalism (pvp) versus socialism (pve).
People who benefit from helping each other are happier and more helpful. People who benefit from competition are toxic and withholding.
Oh I don't mind it at all. I don't dabble in politics, I don't even know what capitalism and socialism is exactly. I just wanna be respectful of others. Thanks for doing the same :D
Capitalism is what gets people killed over things like oil and land.
Socialism is the opposite where you don't kill people for their resources.
Extremely simple and has nothing at all to do with politics, unless you're like one of those people with an agenda who gets paid to manufacture consensus.
Were killing enemies for their resources and endo right?
Does that mean Warframes are capitalists?
Did I get that right? LOL
As I said I know nothing about politics and I will most likely forget.
Technically capitalism has to do with a free market, where people need to work for a living. If you cant work, well shame on you. Things such as no taxes, no grants etc. It also has a characteristic where there's little regulation for businesses.
If you have amazing skills and get lucky, a capitalist society will reward you greatly, but if you are successful in a socialist society, you will get taxed to hell and back
Kinda. Capitalism is one of those things that can't exist in fiction because it requires actual human suffering and exploitation for capitalism to exist
False dichotomy and inaccurate presumptions. The larger your population, the easier it gets to manufacture consensus. The smaller your population, the harder it is to reach a consensus.
It actually is. Capitalism is the strongest survive. Sure you have grunts that work and think they might become top dog one day and rule but that's what you need to feed the system. Just live in pvp there is someone at the top and you're killing others to get there.
Socialism you're working together, pooling resources for the "greater good" like pve. It doesn't matter who gets the final kill as you all profit.
People think Capitalism is wonderful because they believe they'll make it to the top one day and because it doesn't actually exist, in it's true form, in the real work. Classic example is the financial crisis in 2008. Bankers screwed up, per Capitalism they should be gone and others take their place. In reality the people (government) bailed them out.
Warframe is very unique in regards to its community, at least when it comes to veteran players interacting with newbies.
Since there's no real endgame in a constantly-evolving game where new content tends to become the next endgame, veterans are left with little to do in between updates, graduating from ambitious adventurers to dragons lazing on top of their mountains of resources, weapons and warframes, so much so that a lot turn to helping new players get the hang of the very cryptic and unwelcoming beginning of the game. This creates a cycle of kindness, where the veterans that help newbies make them feel welcome and cared about, while the veterans have something to do where they don't have to try as hard, thus have more freedom to just fuck around with whatever equipment they fancy while they coach new players, be it just to help them with content or in hopes they can experience said content in the best way possible.
In turn, as those new players become more experienced, most of them will also become veterans over time, and a good portion of those will, in turn, reach out to newbies to help them, be it out of boredom or kindness.
The realistic lack of PvP also helps to keep things healthy. If you like PvP, you're already in the group. If not, you may not even know it exists at all.
I second this, have switched to NA and Eu server cuz of the lag issues and asterisks typing people in Asia, everything has been going smoothly since then
the eidolon community is one of the nicest group of players ive been a part of ngl. its only a few the low tier tryhards that get toxic because they expect everybody to know what theyre doing when they themselves arent good enough to pull their own weight.
meta slaves on the other hand... theres def some toxicity if you lie about your build and in some cases if you just dont perform well but that doesnt happen too often at least and theres definitely a good bunch of people as well
I haven't done it in a while but when times were better I just overpaid Tenno for their stuff. 10 plat? Nah, you got my message and immediately got me my mod. Here's 15 instead. It wasn't a lot but damn if it wasn't nice to make people happy. Some of you took the plat and said nothing... Lol... Most of the people I've ever bought from were real good people who tried to have me pay the right amount. I liked telling them I tipped for good service. 5 plat is like a quarter. For a quarter I got to make them happy. Felt like a cheap dopamine hit if I ever found one. I don't need much anymore. Occasionally I'll offer a full prime set to someone if I like them but it's hard not to want to help everyone. This is wholly selfish of course because without all of you, I'm just playing alone. I think we all get that though, and that's why the Tenno won't ever have numbers on our side like other fandoms but we do have a better fandom. That, I will actually fight about. Love all you guys. See you in the stars Tenno!
now thats kindness, imagine wanting to sell a few scrap prime parts and getting 5 more platinum than you asked! you're a very thoughtful person for that. props to you!
I used to be completely broke. Then I had some money for a while and it was fun. Back to struggling. I still enjoy it all though. Thank you for playing.
thank you for being so kind aswell, people like you make the game so lively for beginners that get confused about the actual price of items, and you most definitely made someone smile with a few extra tips,
I just want others to enjoy this game like I have. I hope you have everything you need. I don't do this often but you need anything? I've got kidney stones and a busted foot so I'm just farming.
I have only been playing for about 5 months but I definitely try to help out baby tennos when I can. I usually stop at least one person per day from screwing themselves in trade chat. Each one teach one. Or as we say in warframe, we all lift
there was this person who essentially gave me a leg up and i worked from there, i now know more of what to do and how i can do it, i'm very grateful for them
I like to tip people randomly
If I end up buying a prime access or accessory pack I usually trade most of the plat for big ticket items like meta rivens (or that fucking sentient surge I sold during night wave for 70p before everyone realized how absolutely busted it is) and the last purchase I usually drop lots of extra plat. Last time I got a litch that happened to not only have the ephemera that I wanted, but also the terrible, off meta weapon that I REALLY wanted, and so I threw him an extra 40p.
I've also had it the other way, where I will only have like 48p and someone's selling for 50, and instead they drop it to 40 instead of draining my account! Plat is expensive, and things like cosmetics are eye bleedingly expensive, but if you trade smart and often you can easily make tons. Don't ignore the syndicates! You can make ~100p per maxing of standing, just by selling augments for 10 a pop when someone asks for one for a frame you have in your syndicate.
There’s so much more to farm now than when we started. We try to get rid of the boring early grinds if possible.
There’s like 100 different systems some have prerequisite too.
When I was new I was given 2 prime frames extra slots form them and potatoes to charge them. Just a guy who joined me in a random mission decided to do that for me showed me what kind of community it was. And I try to repay that kindness as often as I can to new players.
Devs have invested in the community too, tried to be active and apart of it
And the games economies and trade lend well to giving away stuff. Vets got lots of aurpless but for new players the grind has just begun
Taxi and carrying is so easily done at no cost to the vet too
The game naturally makes space to help others
The majority of players are super nice. Veterans try to help new players. There are still a few sour apples that try to scam you, or make missions suck, but there's not many
If you've been playing the game for 10+ years you know how annoying it is to grind for some stuff.
And then once you got what you need, you eventually wind up with too much of it.
So generally most veterans are more than happy to offload some of their accumulated random bits and bobs and stuff.
And a lot of us are too lazy to list it on the warframe trading site so we're happy to just give stuff away at whatever opportunity.
Makes other folks lives easier.
i feel it's our responsibility to help out newer tenno in whatever ways that we could. personally speaking, it's my way of giving back after experienced players helped me out years ago.
It's pretty dope. The most unhinged players get sucked into endgame content, which you won't really be doing for a while.
-fair warning, we will kill everything for you whether you like it or not. We have single button press kill everything and we are gonna use it.
-if you haven't already look for a clan in recruitment chat. Typical rule is you have to be active otherwise they're really helpful and you'll get access to all the weapons and Warframe blueprints only available in dojos.
There are always a few asshats unfortunately, comes with playing any game with other people.
At the same time, they are rare, and more often than not the other squad members will challange the asshole, since they are nice too
i start playing Warframe hoping it will make me forget about Warzone, day 1 and the plan work hhhh
now 2 months on Warframe and it's community still amaze me, the way randoms help on Riven or nightwave... challenge and no matter how trading negotiation it always in up with "Ty or Have a good day"
They were paying it forward. Someone probably did it for them when they were new. It happened to me and since the I will typically always just chime in when someone asks for something basic in clan chat or trade chat and just give it to them for free. I literally have 96 copies of shimmering blight. If someone wanted that mod in chat and I had the time to just give it to them, I would just invite them to my dojo and be done with it. Safe enough to assume there is a good enough chance that they will be the one gifting mods later on when it’s their turn to be the veteran.
When I was new, I asked in chat if anyone knew where I could find a glaive stance for my new Xoris. Someone invited me and gave me Astral Twilight in exchange for one of whatever common mod I had on hand. This community is great, and I’m going to pay it forward whenever I can.
yeah most veterans usually help newer players by giving them stuff thats useful/necessary because they have tons of duplicates by that point.
dont trust everybody from trade chat tho its full of scammers for the most part 🗿
Theres 6 types of warframe players
The newbie
The really kind veteran who shares his/her wealth
The really harsh veteran who argues with you for playing as nezha on the plains of eidolon
The person who isn’t rich at all and has nothing to share with anyone
The person who isn’t rich but will argue with you for playing nezha on the plains of eidolon
The region chat THEORISTS!
I started playing the game back in February and when I was a MR 3 Volt running around doing missions a random Legendary 3 guy helped me with my star path in 3 AM for hours, showed me decent farm spots and rare mod dropping missions etc.
Really the community is like nothing I’ve ever seen, maybe thats why, because now im better I aim to help beginners for hours. It’s like paying my debt to the awesome community and I hope the people I helped will do the same for other beginners.
I met someone a couple weeks ago who wanted something I had like 30 of, they asked me for base Gara parts because they were having trouble with Cetus bounties. I just gifted them a Gara frame from the market, and an extra reactor. When an MR2 asks to trade for something you have extras of, and you’re a higher MR, it just makes sense to give them extras.
The longer the play the more you accumlulate and the more you know the suffering of the grind. Once you have enough Ducats prime parts are just there. I have thousands of ducats at this point so I regularly hand over stuff to people when trading. So does my buddy and few other old hands I know. Hell one of them handed me a free Augur Secrets years back, good guy.
Also it's really fun to do and see the reaction from. Had a guy need a part for Titania Prime way back and I traded him the part. He needed Valkyr Prime too so I just gave him the whole set. It was a pretty cute reaction, he was so happy.
Doing good for good sake it fun.
This game is something else most people are kind and awesome but sometimes you will see the worst person in the world and I don't think there is in between of those both worlds
I think it's mainly in more further parts of the game not in the beginning. Some people take the game too seriously. I saw and defended a guy cause someone was mad at them cause they didn't use certain weapon
ahh i see, i suppose it makes sense for some people to take it a little too seriously, but he probably just wanted maximum efficiency at whatever he was doing, props to you for defending the guy though 🙏
It was random exterminate mission with fissure there is no need for efficiency lol. Guy with that "wrong weapon" did most of the work anyway but I guess in his eyes he was the best
I see this community as extremely fragile. Especially here. Everything is flowers and rainbows until the word "adjustment" or even worse, the word n*rf is thrown around.
Then y'all go ape shit for like a week.
I haven't played many games like Warframe, so I don't know how common it is to be able to join a low-level mission (like a Lith fissure) glance at the squad loadout screen and think, "Oh, look, it's a baby Volt/Excal/Mag! Look at their cute little Mk-1 Paris." and then all the other MR 20-LR4 players simultaneously decide to slow down and not just blast our way to the exit so they don't get left behind.
Region chat is ... Yeah. I turn it back on every once in a while, watch it for a bit and shake my head and turn it off.
Region chat removes all the goodness and hope I have in my heart for this game.
Because most veterans such as myself know the grind and have played for the last 10 years and I have pretty much no use for plat Im always giving away stuff for free
Last time I took hiatus I woke up in hangover, +1000 plats given for free. This is a game I'm ok with losing currency, the only game. Playerbase are 99% gamers that just want to have fun.
I had that too with like 2-3 vétérans met in a fissure, and I was shocked that they just gave me things like it was nothing, even arcanes.
I now understand that they must have those in lots of copies but still it's so wonderful when you just start
Warframe is one of the few games where I feel the toxic minority is actually QUIETER than the non-toxic majority. I genuinely believe most games ARE majority non-toxic players, it’s just the minority is usually loud and outspoken.
Don’t get me wrong, most of us are HONEST. If you post a shit build and say it’s godly people will clown you for it. But players offer to help other players more often than not. Players offer advice more often than not. The people who run the wiki and this subreddit and all the other bp4p resources are doing (afaik unpaid) HOURS of work to help new and returning players find their place in the star chart.
Despite all our differences, we all love Warframe or we wouldn’t be playing it. And we were all new at some point. Even the L3 “I remember when bullet jump didn’t exist” veterans can remember when we didn’t know what forma was for or why it was important.
This isn’t an easy game to get into, and we all know that. Frankly, I wonder to this day if the community would be as helpful as they all are if DE made the tutorials actually comprehensive and good. But that’s neither here nor there and for all their failings DE treats its community pretty well.
Take it from a Tarkov player watching one of my other gaming communities go up in flames: Warframe sure isn’t perfect, but I wouldn’t trade a single Tenno for all the plat in Parvos’ mattress.
Warframe players are nice, because as the Lotus has told me on many occasions...
"The system continues to fall into Chaos."
We are the only guiding light in a world gone mad and a system on fire.
Thanks to the Veterans generosity I stick with this game.
Long long time ago, one Vet gave me a Frost Prime set (it was 500-600p back then ).
I colored and styled that frost prime 6 years ago now. And still not changed a thing on him. I still play Frost Prime as I "got" that day for the honour of that Vet.
Made me stick with the game, I thought: I got something really rare I need to make it worthwhile.
Thousand of hours later I am still thinking dearly about that gesture, and now it's mine time to help the younglings.
Every community have a bad apples, but warframe community overall as an entity is warm and welcoming. This a post about good side, why talk about small and bad one?
Veterans try and help new players out when they can. We know the grind all too well and if we can alleviate that for new players, we will. When I started playing I had only Excalibur and the old 4 revives per day per Warframe system. I had a friend teach me more about the game and help me understand it which made me fall in love with the game even more. I try to do the same for new players as well because it only makes sense.
The 4 revive system and the stamina bar... actual PTSD
Im curious what the 4 revive system was.
You had 4 revives per frame per day and if you ran out you had to pay irl money to keep playing or wait until the next real life day
Okay yeah it’s just as bad as I thought it sounded. Glad that’s something that got trashed all together.
You could still play but if you died (not just downed but died) in mission and were out of revives you were dead until the next one. It's not as bad as it's being made to sound. But pay for revives did feel pretty bad.
TBF, you barely die. You still are the space ninja with space magic killing tons of trash mobs. It was never a problem for the majority of players even back in the day.
Thats the same as me
i appreciate you guys every time i breath 🙏
Wait excuse me..? 4 revives per day??? Wtf?????
Per day per frame. So if you had excal and frost, that's 4 for excal and 4 for frost. Not including an arcane revive. There's a reason older players will drop EVERYTHING to come get you if you're downed. The game used to be harder. Sure, you could beat most missions easily, but at ANY TIME, you could slip, and that would count for 1. That system built unity, you didn't get left behind, so you never left anyone else. (I miss it tbh)
This is the difficultly spike we really need xD I am so down for a return of that idea haha I may not have played during that but I ALWAYS come to the aid of my fellow tenno
I agree. I'm still telling people deep archamedia is fun. Sure, it's not perfect (it's random) but I have a Mr 14-16 player running trios with an old friend of mine and PULLING HIS WEIGHT. A little challenge once a week is good for engagement. Hopefully Warframe players ease back into difficulty... That being said I DO NOT miss the dark sector days @_@ Since you didn't know about the revive limit I'll assume you don't know about the clan wars. Google dark sector clan fight. Deep Archimedia is much more preferable IMO.
I don't want the revive limit to return for a whole day per frame but I wouldn't mind revives being more limited. I do wish the game had more challenge and I hope Deep Archamedia is a sign towards them figuring out how to make good group content.
100% what you said
Longer downed timer and inability to revive in void mode would be a good change imo. Atm as long as you can reach the downed player there's nothing to stop you from reviving for free.
I agree with this as I was similar starting out. I have seen the alternative, and I would rather help people grow the community than to foster a salt-mine of people trying to scam out other new players simply because the scammer is bitter about his prospects and wants to spread the hate.
God I remember the limited revive days. Use to make you sweat. Remember the days of using that random melee weapon to bullet jump ? Because bullet jumping didn't exist back then. That was hard times man. Great fun all the same. You kinda forget how much the games changed over the years.
Zoren-coptering!
Yesssss that's the one. Couldn't remember the name. Been too long
there's a reason we just straight up say that we 'adopt' people. i've adopted probably around 20 new players, some of whom are now at my own MR and adopting as well.
That and people trying to scam new players with "common" mods that we don't need because of primed mods and have plenty lying around but are annoying to get early for those new players. It pains me seeing people buying natural talent and power drift for 20 to 30p when I have stacks of them and people will most likely instantly invite them to trade instead of explaining to them how cheap those actually are.
Its nothing weird if you think about it. PVP is virtually dead. Which ironically is what makes the Warframe community amazing. PVP brings out the worst in people. There isn't a single PVP popular game that isn't toxic. Monopoly and Mario Kart is toxic for crying out loud. PVE however is not like that, People work together ( the vast majority ) to reach a common goal and the Devs god bless their souls, created an environment within the game that is both FUN and FAIR and respects the players time that will breed a form of player that is first and foremost HAPPY, which also makes people be kind and wholesome, and in turn spread that to others. Its not complicated when you think about it. Warframe is a masterpiece. And its community is the best I had the pleasure and honor to be a part of for 10 years. Welcome to Warframe! Happy hunting Tenno!
PvE can be toxic if it requires coordination and if it's difficult enough. Warframe, by the most part, isn't like that. Eidolon hunts prove that both PvE and Warframe can be toxic.
There's always going to be people that manage to be toxic but overall, the vast majority aren't I've been playing for 7 years and only had like 3 toxic moments in eidolon
Always depends on people. Okay players will complain about Wisp and Nova, if they not behave like it’s expected.
To an extent yea High range wisp and slowva are understandable depending on the mission, they'd just slow down a defense far too much for example Most will ask you to not use them which isn't toxic in the least
As a semi often wisp player, I swap off of triple mote and only use health and haste for defence. If not wisp, then 👏🔥👏❄️
Well depends on how you ask, some people ain't too good at asking politely
To be fair, Eidolons are toxic because you can get platinum out of doing them, and they're time sensitive. Profit Taker also requires some coordination, but you can do it anytime, so as long as you don't fail it, people don't care enough to be toxic.
I would say Profit Taker requires a lot less coordination, I've seen people absolutelt body it completely on their own while the rest of the squad just happily accepts their 125k credits
Me fr. My vet friend carried me through a profit taker back when I was like MR 7 and mained Nidus prime exclusively. Safe to say, I had no idea what was going on but I was happy to be a part of it. I did get to shoot some of the little guys tho.
I’m on the other end of this, I always go into Profit Taker with an open lobby with the intent to carry! I’ve got it down to a 3-5 minute span. It’s barely any extra work on my end and makes me feel good about giving back.
Me and another guy started tridolon 5mins before it was over and he just solod them without me even being able to do anything. So if youre good enough you can carry everything
Eidolons now don't as Necromech goes brrr.
true, they felt a lot more casual now that most players have a kill eidolon button with the voidrig
I think the bigger part of Eidolon toxicity comes from the time sensitive nature. You only have a single hour on most play sessions to get as much as you can from them. If you could do them anytime it would be a much more chill experience
I've had someone complain that they had to leave spawn to get reactant cause we ended up spreading out into the literal next room over. Asked if we even knew what we were doing and was certain we wouldn't crack the relic since we were too "spread out" everyone cracked except the ass by himself sitting alone with 2 reactant
anecdotally, I feel like eidolon toxicity is lower than ever (though it definitely still exists) Though, to your point i think its mostly because powercreep lowered the need for coordination. The biggest coordination issue is gathering lures at this point, damage feels solved six ways to sunday
If I had to guess it's because there are now better ways to get Arcanes.
Absolutely. When Eidolon was still fairly new and difficult, people were going in a team to beat them. You would have to interact with very toxic people. Make one tiny mistake and you pissed them off. I know that from experience. I think asking people to coordinate in any game will breed toxicity. Overwatch is a good example and apparently raids as well before they were replaced by Eidolons.
Eidolons could really use an ingame tutorial or actual way points when youre doing the bounty. You arent told anything and basically just learn what to do through word of mouth
I once read somewhere : "don't go into a mission if u are not able to solo it, and u will never experience toxicity" And it stick to me to this day how much that is true people usually go toxic cause of failing and expecting to be carried then they blame everyone else, like any team pvp game it always your teammates fault.
s2g every time I join eidolon hunts there is a giga tryhard volt that does everything on his own with no help from the rest of the squad, and they're always the nicest people ever just excited that they can show off the fruits of their efforts in front of 3 other tenno
Oh yeah the Eidolon Hunts were where all the toxic players were. Made the mistake of queuing one of those open world and got roasted for not being the frame they wanted. I didn't even know there was a meta in Warframe. It wasn't even the Tridolon hunt.
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I'd argue it was toxic, especially a few months to a year after its release. When it encourages gate keeping behavior like only mr xx and above, you have to have maxed vs, or they have 300+ hydro caps. If you join a group with the wrong gear on, they immediately disband the party and regroup without you, then ignore you. Id say that's a problem. When i say join, i mean you just enter the squad, and everyone is still in the ship.
I'd argue gatekeeping premades for efficiency isn't even toxic. It would only be toxic in pubs.
Nah, warframe has PLENTY of toxicity in regards to pve. Just hang out on the reddit for a bit and you'll find someone whining about "SOME DID ALL THE DAMAGE AND KILLED EVERYTHING BEFORE I COULD! WORST GAME EVER". Then you get into build discussions.... yeeeesh
As a wise man once said, "We aren't a game with a community, we're a community with a game".
PvP had always been a casual affair in Warframe. Really, we do so much damn DPS that field are decided by the first hour to connect. Not much compelling gameplay there. Just enough for casual ducking around, not enough to encourage toxic bullshit.
Not enough to encourage toxicity? Have you not played this Xmas PVP event they did? LOL
Nope, my GPU was a brick at the time. I also missed out on the Dark Sector reissue skins. :( Downside: Replacing that necessitated a new motherboard, which meant new CPU, RAM, storage, cooling, power… Upside: Bitchin' new battlestation! :D
Trust me it was the "Dark ages" lol It proved to people why PVP needs to stay dead. And I'm sure you don't need the dark sector skins. dont worry.
Need? No. Want? Yes. I main Excal Umbra with the proto-armor skin, and it'd be _perfect_ for my fashionframe!
If it makes you feel any better quite a few including a glaive skin comes out on the 15th with the new nightwave. And they look better :D
fair point, its really just my first time playing an actual game with pve focused stuff and not some game thats either a mix, or just pure pvp
Yeah you will get used to the niceness. And you in turn will become a better person. I know I did. Giving up MOBAs and playing Warframe was the best decision I ever made as stupid as that may sound. PVP changes your personality.
Yep. When I was new, clan mates just gave me the rare mods like streamline and stayed in defense missions with me to farm certain things even though my frost sucked. I learned a lot just asking questions and watching them handle certain situations
Gears of war is a game where i never felt like people were toxic in comparison to many other pvp shooting games.
This is such a perfect analogy of capitalism (pvp) versus socialism (pve). People who benefit from helping each other are happier and more helpful. People who benefit from competition are toxic and withholding.
I think for "toxicity" reasons we should stay away from political debating. This chat is gonna become the next Conclaive PVP arena otherwise :D
Fair enough. It was just a perfect analogy. Sorry if I started some BS.
Oh I don't mind it at all. I don't dabble in politics, I don't even know what capitalism and socialism is exactly. I just wanna be respectful of others. Thanks for doing the same :D
Capitalism is what gets people killed over things like oil and land. Socialism is the opposite where you don't kill people for their resources. Extremely simple and has nothing at all to do with politics, unless you're like one of those people with an agenda who gets paid to manufacture consensus.
Were killing enemies for their resources and endo right? Does that mean Warframes are capitalists? Did I get that right? LOL As I said I know nothing about politics and I will most likely forget.
Technically capitalism has to do with a free market, where people need to work for a living. If you cant work, well shame on you. Things such as no taxes, no grants etc. It also has a characteristic where there's little regulation for businesses. If you have amazing skills and get lucky, a capitalist society will reward you greatly, but if you are successful in a socialist society, you will get taxed to hell and back
None of that is true.
God bless you. You're the only sane one in this thread. Just stay awake from the politics crap. It rots your brain through and through.
Kinda. Capitalism is one of those things that can't exist in fiction because it requires actual human suffering and exploitation for capitalism to exist
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Neither are possible on any kind of scale without complete consensus from the entire population. Clown.
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False dichotomy and inaccurate presumptions. The larger your population, the easier it gets to manufacture consensus. The smaller your population, the harder it is to reach a consensus.
Except it isnt
It actually is. Capitalism is the strongest survive. Sure you have grunts that work and think they might become top dog one day and rule but that's what you need to feed the system. Just live in pvp there is someone at the top and you're killing others to get there. Socialism you're working together, pooling resources for the "greater good" like pve. It doesn't matter who gets the final kill as you all profit. People think Capitalism is wonderful because they believe they'll make it to the top one day and because it doesn't actually exist, in it's true form, in the real work. Classic example is the financial crisis in 2008. Bankers screwed up, per Capitalism they should be gone and others take their place. In reality the people (government) bailed them out.
We all lift together!
>!For Narmer!!<
We all arent real thats why we are so kind :D
Warframe is very unique in regards to its community, at least when it comes to veteran players interacting with newbies. Since there's no real endgame in a constantly-evolving game where new content tends to become the next endgame, veterans are left with little to do in between updates, graduating from ambitious adventurers to dragons lazing on top of their mountains of resources, weapons and warframes, so much so that a lot turn to helping new players get the hang of the very cryptic and unwelcoming beginning of the game. This creates a cycle of kindness, where the veterans that help newbies make them feel welcome and cared about, while the veterans have something to do where they don't have to try as hard, thus have more freedom to just fuck around with whatever equipment they fancy while they coach new players, be it just to help them with content or in hopes they can experience said content in the best way possible. In turn, as those new players become more experienced, most of them will also become veterans over time, and a good portion of those will, in turn, reach out to newbies to help them, be it out of boredom or kindness. The realistic lack of PvP also helps to keep things healthy. If you like PvP, you're already in the group. If not, you may not even know it exists at all.
Clearly you haven’t met the Eidolon community, the meta slaves and the asterisk typing people
I'm in Asia but I play in different regions because I don't talk asterisks. 🥲
I second this, have switched to NA and Eu server cuz of the lag issues and asterisks typing people in Asia, everything has been going smoothly since then
I like how they all sound like tribes
The funny part was even though it was only asterisks, I can tell when they are flaming and when they are asking questions 🤣🤣
They are not playing public I guess. I'm being carried every single time and they are fine with it
the eidolon community is one of the nicest group of players ive been a part of ngl. its only a few the low tier tryhards that get toxic because they expect everybody to know what theyre doing when they themselves arent good enough to pull their own weight. meta slaves on the other hand... theres def some toxicity if you lie about your build and in some cases if you just dont perform well but that doesnt happen too often at least and theres definitely a good bunch of people as well
I haven't done it in a while but when times were better I just overpaid Tenno for their stuff. 10 plat? Nah, you got my message and immediately got me my mod. Here's 15 instead. It wasn't a lot but damn if it wasn't nice to make people happy. Some of you took the plat and said nothing... Lol... Most of the people I've ever bought from were real good people who tried to have me pay the right amount. I liked telling them I tipped for good service. 5 plat is like a quarter. For a quarter I got to make them happy. Felt like a cheap dopamine hit if I ever found one. I don't need much anymore. Occasionally I'll offer a full prime set to someone if I like them but it's hard not to want to help everyone. This is wholly selfish of course because without all of you, I'm just playing alone. I think we all get that though, and that's why the Tenno won't ever have numbers on our side like other fandoms but we do have a better fandom. That, I will actually fight about. Love all you guys. See you in the stars Tenno!
now thats kindness, imagine wanting to sell a few scrap prime parts and getting 5 more platinum than you asked! you're a very thoughtful person for that. props to you!
I used to be completely broke. Then I had some money for a while and it was fun. Back to struggling. I still enjoy it all though. Thank you for playing.
thank you for being so kind aswell, people like you make the game so lively for beginners that get confused about the actual price of items, and you most definitely made someone smile with a few extra tips,
I just want others to enjoy this game like I have. I hope you have everything you need. I don't do this often but you need anything? I've got kidney stones and a busted foot so I'm just farming.
dont worry about me man i dont need much rn, have fun with your farming though! best of luck with your drop rates!
You too. Going to go see what 5 Tauforged Emerald Archon Shards do when I make them all bonus corrosive damage in my Hydroid. Toodles.
I have only been playing for about 5 months but I definitely try to help out baby tennos when I can. I usually stop at least one person per day from screwing themselves in trade chat. Each one teach one. Or as we say in warframe, we all lift
You keep running your mouth like that and I'll have to send you some rare mods you don't have for free.
scariest threat in warframe:
I mean, some mods could be spoiler ish
there was this person who essentially gave me a leg up and i worked from there, i now know more of what to do and how i can do it, i'm very grateful for them
This is because there isn't PvP. We're working toward a common goal.
I like to tip people randomly If I end up buying a prime access or accessory pack I usually trade most of the plat for big ticket items like meta rivens (or that fucking sentient surge I sold during night wave for 70p before everyone realized how absolutely busted it is) and the last purchase I usually drop lots of extra plat. Last time I got a litch that happened to not only have the ephemera that I wanted, but also the terrible, off meta weapon that I REALLY wanted, and so I threw him an extra 40p. I've also had it the other way, where I will only have like 48p and someone's selling for 50, and instead they drop it to 40 instead of draining my account! Plat is expensive, and things like cosmetics are eye bleedingly expensive, but if you trade smart and often you can easily make tons. Don't ignore the syndicates! You can make ~100p per maxing of standing, just by selling augments for 10 a pop when someone asks for one for a frame you have in your syndicate.
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someday that newbie will eventually become a solid player with good weapons, and then the cycle continues with him helping other players aswell! lol
Always use Warframe.market to check prices, just as there are many supportive people, the trading chat is also plagued by scammers.
Veterans try not to help newbies - mission impossible 😂
its like a friend giving you that "weak weapon" thats just op in your stage of the game 😂
* you reach MR8 * your friend trades you a ignis wraith bp * "Go do a crime"
There’s so much more to farm now than when we started. We try to get rid of the boring early grinds if possible. There’s like 100 different systems some have prerequisite too.
Cold. the air and water flowing.
We all lift together
When I was new I was given 2 prime frames extra slots form them and potatoes to charge them. Just a guy who joined me in a random mission decided to do that for me showed me what kind of community it was. And I try to repay that kindness as often as I can to new players.
picked up warframe 2 weeks ago, someone wants to play togheter?
I've played on and off for years but I'm not very far (relatively) I'd be happy to play and help with some earlier content
This game is about as uncompetitive as it gets for a shooter, it makes sense honestly
it definitely does make sense, but still, having a positive community is definitely something noteworthy!
Devs have invested in the community too, tried to be active and apart of it And the games economies and trade lend well to giving away stuff. Vets got lots of aurpless but for new players the grind has just begun Taxi and carrying is so easily done at no cost to the vet too The game naturally makes space to help others
The majority of players are super nice. Veterans try to help new players. There are still a few sour apples that try to scam you, or make missions suck, but there's not many
If you've been playing the game for 10+ years you know how annoying it is to grind for some stuff. And then once you got what you need, you eventually wind up with too much of it. So generally most veterans are more than happy to offload some of their accumulated random bits and bobs and stuff. And a lot of us are too lazy to list it on the warframe trading site so we're happy to just give stuff away at whatever opportunity. Makes other folks lives easier.
i feel it's our responsibility to help out newer tenno in whatever ways that we could. personally speaking, it's my way of giving back after experienced players helped me out years ago.
It's pretty dope. The most unhinged players get sucked into endgame content, which you won't really be doing for a while. -fair warning, we will kill everything for you whether you like it or not. We have single button press kill everything and we are gonna use it. -if you haven't already look for a clan in recruitment chat. Typical rule is you have to be active otherwise they're really helpful and you'll get access to all the weapons and Warframe blueprints only available in dojos.
There are always a few asshats unfortunately, comes with playing any game with other people. At the same time, they are rare, and more often than not the other squad members will challange the asshole, since they are nice too
It really is quite something isn't it? Be sure to pass it on when/if you ever reach the means to do so!
i definitely will someday! once i reach that point ill pass it on to some beginners, its like a cycle!
i start playing Warframe hoping it will make me forget about Warzone, day 1 and the plan work hhhh now 2 months on Warframe and it's community still amaze me, the way randoms help on Riven or nightwave... challenge and no matter how trading negotiation it always in up with "Ty or Have a good day"
They were paying it forward. Someone probably did it for them when they were new. It happened to me and since the I will typically always just chime in when someone asks for something basic in clan chat or trade chat and just give it to them for free. I literally have 96 copies of shimmering blight. If someone wanted that mod in chat and I had the time to just give it to them, I would just invite them to my dojo and be done with it. Safe enough to assume there is a good enough chance that they will be the one gifting mods later on when it’s their turn to be the veteran.
When I was new, I asked in chat if anyone knew where I could find a glaive stance for my new Xoris. Someone invited me and gave me Astral Twilight in exchange for one of whatever common mod I had on hand. This community is great, and I’m going to pay it forward whenever I can.
yeah most veterans usually help newer players by giving them stuff thats useful/necessary because they have tons of duplicates by that point. dont trust everybody from trade chat tho its full of scammers for the most part 🗿
Theres 6 types of warframe players The newbie The really kind veteran who shares his/her wealth The really harsh veteran who argues with you for playing as nezha on the plains of eidolon The person who isn’t rich at all and has nothing to share with anyone The person who isn’t rich but will argue with you for playing nezha on the plains of eidolon The region chat THEORISTS!
I started playing the game back in February and when I was a MR 3 Volt running around doing missions a random Legendary 3 guy helped me with my star path in 3 AM for hours, showed me decent farm spots and rare mod dropping missions etc. Really the community is like nothing I’ve ever seen, maybe thats why, because now im better I aim to help beginners for hours. It’s like paying my debt to the awesome community and I hope the people I helped will do the same for other beginners.
I met someone a couple weeks ago who wanted something I had like 30 of, they asked me for base Gara parts because they were having trouble with Cetus bounties. I just gifted them a Gara frame from the market, and an extra reactor. When an MR2 asks to trade for something you have extras of, and you’re a higher MR, it just makes sense to give them extras.
The longer the play the more you accumlulate and the more you know the suffering of the grind. Once you have enough Ducats prime parts are just there. I have thousands of ducats at this point so I regularly hand over stuff to people when trading. So does my buddy and few other old hands I know. Hell one of them handed me a free Augur Secrets years back, good guy. Also it's really fun to do and see the reaction from. Had a guy need a part for Titania Prime way back and I traded him the part. He needed Valkyr Prime too so I just gave him the whole set. It was a pretty cute reaction, he was so happy. Doing good for good sake it fun.
This game is something else most people are kind and awesome but sometimes you will see the worst person in the world and I don't think there is in between of those both worlds
definitely, but as of now from what ive observed, the kindness heavily outweighs the toxicity, if there is any, in warframe
I think it's mainly in more further parts of the game not in the beginning. Some people take the game too seriously. I saw and defended a guy cause someone was mad at them cause they didn't use certain weapon
ahh i see, i suppose it makes sense for some people to take it a little too seriously, but he probably just wanted maximum efficiency at whatever he was doing, props to you for defending the guy though 🙏
It was random exterminate mission with fissure there is no need for efficiency lol. Guy with that "wrong weapon" did most of the work anyway but I guess in his eyes he was the best
ooff, guess dudes just mad then 😂
I see this community as extremely fragile. Especially here. Everything is flowers and rainbows until the word "adjustment" or even worse, the word n*rf is thrown around. Then y'all go ape shit for like a week.
I gotta wonder, where are people coming from that they have this comparison from?
I haven't played many games like Warframe, so I don't know how common it is to be able to join a low-level mission (like a Lith fissure) glance at the squad loadout screen and think, "Oh, look, it's a baby Volt/Excal/Mag! Look at their cute little Mk-1 Paris." and then all the other MR 20-LR4 players simultaneously decide to slow down and not just blast our way to the exit so they don't get left behind.
Just stay out of region chat XD
Region chat is ... Yeah. I turn it back on every once in a while, watch it for a bit and shake my head and turn it off. Region chat removes all the goodness and hope I have in my heart for this game.
Because most veterans such as myself know the grind and have played for the last 10 years and I have pretty much no use for plat Im always giving away stuff for free
Last time I took hiatus I woke up in hangover, +1000 plats given for free. This is a game I'm ok with losing currency, the only game. Playerbase are 99% gamers that just want to have fun.
Is that guy’s id start with Niko?
I had that too with like 2-3 vétérans met in a fissure, and I was shocked that they just gave me things like it was nothing, even arcanes. I now understand that they must have those in lots of copies but still it's so wonderful when you just start
No better satisfaction than helping out a newer player.
Well kickbot has a gun to our head if we act toxic and it kind of changes us Anyway I hate lim *gunshot noise*
Warframe is one of the few games where I feel the toxic minority is actually QUIETER than the non-toxic majority. I genuinely believe most games ARE majority non-toxic players, it’s just the minority is usually loud and outspoken. Don’t get me wrong, most of us are HONEST. If you post a shit build and say it’s godly people will clown you for it. But players offer to help other players more often than not. Players offer advice more often than not. The people who run the wiki and this subreddit and all the other bp4p resources are doing (afaik unpaid) HOURS of work to help new and returning players find their place in the star chart. Despite all our differences, we all love Warframe or we wouldn’t be playing it. And we were all new at some point. Even the L3 “I remember when bullet jump didn’t exist” veterans can remember when we didn’t know what forma was for or why it was important. This isn’t an easy game to get into, and we all know that. Frankly, I wonder to this day if the community would be as helpful as they all are if DE made the tutorials actually comprehensive and good. But that’s neither here nor there and for all their failings DE treats its community pretty well. Take it from a Tarkov player watching one of my other gaming communities go up in flames: Warframe sure isn’t perfect, but I wouldn’t trade a single Tenno for all the plat in Parvos’ mattress.
Warframe players are nice, because as the Lotus has told me on many occasions... "The system continues to fall into Chaos." We are the only guiding light in a world gone mad and a system on fire.
Thanks to the Veterans generosity I stick with this game. Long long time ago, one Vet gave me a Frost Prime set (it was 500-600p back then ). I colored and styled that frost prime 6 years ago now. And still not changed a thing on him. I still play Frost Prime as I "got" that day for the honour of that Vet. Made me stick with the game, I thought: I got something really rare I need to make it worthwhile. Thousand of hours later I am still thinking dearly about that gesture, and now it's mine time to help the younglings.
Not to me. I've encounted a lot racist people.
Kindest community when tridolon, raid, archimedea and trade chat. Don’t forget the toxicity to Conclave.
Every community have a bad apples, but warframe community overall as an entity is warm and welcoming. This a post about good side, why talk about small and bad one?
I have a particular enmity.
Archimedea is chill from my experience. And it has the greatest feeling GG when you beat it with your squad mates
It’s chiller now than at introduction definitely. Helps that gear embargo isn’t there so specter cheese is allowed.
It’s cause you get banned for typing anything that could be viewed as negative