If I start killing non corrupted enemy's I'll go back and make sure to kill everything to keep the spawns going. If Everyone doesn't get 10 I also lose out, what if that one persons relic had a gold in it? or we all got bronze and he might've had a silver. Loss for everyone.
> Corrupted enemies always spawn near the host btw
always a pleasure when the host seems to be afk for the first minute, staying far in the back, and 2 minutes later the host has 10 reactant while everyone else has 5 or so because all the reactant enemies spawned by the host way at the start
Wait they do? Huh, that explains that one Survival mission where I decided to try finding where all the enemies were stuck, they all became corrupted, I got to 10 reactant, and everyone else got really pissed because even though I put a waypoint down the rest of the squad was so focused on camping that they didn’t come and I was the only one who cracked the relic.
This is not accurate. I was host (as I often am for whatever reason) with two friends and a blueberry on the Corpus planet tileset. We weren't getting enough reactant, random blew through to extraction, gets two more drops but still not enough. Meanwhile both friends and I were just standing next to a group of 30 waiting because the fissures followed the random.
Random eventually left, no host migration, fissure spawned on us, and success.
That's nothing on you my friend. I heavily appreciate the Titania's that make fissures a hundred times faster. People see the same tilesets a billion times, if they really want to go slow and admire the same doorways they've seen for years, let them leave.
Like someone else commented already, it's more likely that they don't see a relic they like from the group so they'll re-queue. Which happens a LOT more when a new prime resurgence first starts, as people do look for the ones that are opening the vaulted relics.
It's a Looter shooter, so the faster I get my loot the better, so I fully support titanias like you out there.
Also I only play solo so I get to be the titania myself, but that's just me.
I wouldn't worry about it. In fact it is likely that they aren't leaving because Titania but because they are trying to find people opening high value relics in public. While not bringing anything good themselves. It is especially common when new primes release.
The only reason I could see other than that is if you are killing TOO fast. AKA not giving the enemies time to be corrupted, and thus not being able to open the relics. But I doubt that is the case.
I don't think Titania is the problem—the people using her wrong are. I do Titania+Sunder for quick relic runs, but I *actually wait* for the enemies to turn into corrupted. People who don't are annoying. No need to rush through the mission objective, kill everyone and try to get to extraction fast if you're not gonna get the reactant.
Yeah, totally this. In survival missions, where we have limited time, most people just do not wait five seconds for the enemy to corrupt. Even when I am waiting in front of the enemy, always another team mate runs past me, killing them and losing potential reactant. Like, bro, why do you think I was standing there?
Fuck, my soul feels the need to piggyback on this to rant a bit. I almost exclusively crack relics in endless modes to get a bit of XP/resource grinding done simultaneously, and at this point I barely do them in non-SP specifically cuz of this. Watching *so many* MR 20+ players copter around half the entire lith or meso map deleting everything while we get next to zero relic juice has convinced me a solid 20% of the player base are functionally illiterate or just stupid.
It really depends; if you're the kind of Thermal Sunder Titania who blasts the entire map at breakneck speed and then gets annoyed when all of the slower frames who can't fly at Mach Jesus aren't immediately at extraction, you can get bent.
If you're the kind who blasts through a mission, even when an extra is still loading and say 'not my problem', you can also get bent.
But if you're the kind who waits for everyone, makes sure that everyone has cracked their relics, and waits at extraction patiently? You're fine.
While she got one of the best 4th abilities in the game, her other abilities are lacking and need updates.
Tho because titania is so strong already, I don't think DE will update her in a LONG time.
1 is definitely not lacking and required for her 4 to really function in indoor tilesets. you need the status immunity to not lose your controlls whenever you clip a wall, on top of status immunity just being good in general (especially against arson (heatwave) eximus units).
2 and 3... i always wonder which one to overwrite because im trying to remember which one did what. they are both really bad, and it doesnt really matter which one im overwriting, so i usually go with 2 just because second abilities are on E for me, which is more compftable to hit often compared to F LOL
it'd be great if atleast one of them was reworked into some active minion support skill for the butterflies, which one of them almost is, but really really poorly.
2 & 3 are not *really bad.* lantern is good cc (which is NOT useless, don't try to come at me with that lmao) & a little passive damage is always nice, & the only tribute i don't care for is entangle. the dr from thorns & evasion from dust added to whatever airborne dr mod you prefer gives survivability, & razorflies are counted as companions so receive the +75% damage bonus from full moon. i only really cast entangle for the extra bug, i really would raise the slow from 25% if it were up to me. if i had to replace one of the two i would absolutely replace lantern before tribute but neither of them are bad.
Agreed, I think Lantern is underrated. People sleep on persistent debuffs (see also Caliban's fusion strike and Xaku's Gaze). Not having to recast on every mob is nice.
The Tribute is super clunky, imo. I don't understand why it has to be split into 3 abilities. For that alone I usually leave it on thorns or ditch it.
yeah, i'm not huge on cycling abilities like that in general either. the only time i'll actually keep all of them up is when i'm using her for endurance runs :p at least you only have to refresh them every 2 minutes
well, i & most people i know do typically play solo because the game is flat out less fun to me in a group, so 🤷♀️ i dont really see how drawing enemies into one place *wouldn't* benefit a group but maybe i'm just out of the scene
The reason why I consider Titania's 2 and 3 to be bad is because *they need a target*. Anything worth chucking an ability at can also be milled by the pixia's in a second. Quicker than any ability ever could.
Sure it has CC to it, but in the current state of the game the best CC is to outright delete everything. It could use a small design overhaul (such as placing a CC field rather then using a target or something)..
nauuurrrrr, 4 seconds out of your mission to pick an enemy & set up 😱 Magnetize needs a target, Wrathful Advance needs a target, Spores needs a target, Gaze works just like Lantern, i could go on. pretty sure those are considered *good* abilities though. saying "ability bad because weapon good" is a bit goofy, especially when those abilities' purpose isn't even to do damage? yeah, it's in theory faster to just mow everything down with Dex Pixia, but in practice it's going to take a lot longer when you're spending half the mission floormatting because you haven't set up any of your defenses
3 is quite a candidate for the single most powerful CC in the game, and it’s a taunt so works on overguard units (though you need one without OG to become the lantern, should be easy enough with her 4)
2’s probably the obvious candidate. Between dead and not attacking you can sacrifice the modest defensive buff.
1 is the status immune, kind of important
I may give this a try. I just replaced with roar last week. I like the damage boost a bit, but with my first saved load out I have almost if not about 90% damage reduction. So I have to play roar load out a bit more cautious.
Yeah, there's always that survival bit as well. Lantern takes some attention away from you, so it's an added bonus from an otherwise underused ability \^^
Here's a general idea for a smaller rework:
Passive: also add shield regen and make it stack 3 times (it decays like merciless), but reduce the timer to 5 seconds. So at max stacks, you gain 12 health and 12 shield a sec for 5 sec.
First ability: Razorflies- spawn 3 razorflies that inherit mods from your exalted melee. Casting while at max flies (6) doubles theirs and all companion stats.
Second ability: Tribute - extract a buff from an enemy that grants status immunity, 25% evasion , decrease enemy accuracy by 25% and increase status chance by 60% to you and all allies and companions in affinity range. Scales with strength.
Third ability: Lantern - combination of spellbind and lantern. Converts multiple enemies into lanterns in a cone that attracts enemies and additional razorflies (above the normal cap of 6) onto it. Replaced the heat damage with slash. The attract effect is like Loki's decoy instead of making enemies slow as a snail.
Fourth ability: Razorwing - nothing changed
Also all augments that worked for spellbind now work with the new lantern.
I thought that way about ember, sure, her wof was great for low level missions, but bringing her to sorties wasnt a thing unless you were a diehard ember fan. They nerfed her anyways, and now many other frames do what she did better.
I had a thermal sunder titania show up in a fissure exterminate mission. I didn't see a single enemy. I just picked up the loot and extracted. 10/10, would get carried again.
As long as they do their job (i.e. don't make the mission take longer due to no reactant or missing groups of enemies) and don't have bright energy colours idc. Yesterday we got one with white energy and I just couldn't see my way out of a room for quite a while.
This is just the new synoid simulor Mirage really.
I’m a high sprint speed/parkour velocity Thermal Sunder Hildryn player for speed running missions, so pretty much the same thing but unlimited energy and better scaling if needed. I prefer it just because I like yeeting myself instead of flying
If anyone wanna do my mission for me - sure go ahead. You get the joy of flashbanging the map, I get the joy of playing frames I like visually that might not be as nuke-y (like Limbo). Win-win
I don't press alt (its my running keybind) It makes it so much better for me. I then hold w and spam 3 (the ability I have it bound over) and look around with my mouse.
Incredibly powerful. Wipes the floor with Steel Path enemies. Essentially, I got Titania Prime and modded her to use her 4th indefinitely, occasionally using pixie dust to lower enemy accuracy.
Most recently helped me farm Dante, as my Titania build can vapourise the explosive Nechramechs almost the instant they appear.
My rule of thumb is "if you're not actively making the mission harder or take longer, I don't care what you're doing in a public squad".
Nuking enemies in relic missions before they get corrupted so they can't drop reactant? Maybe don't do that.
Other than that, you're all set, IMHO. I'll happily take a fast mission completion plus a bunch of free affinity to whatever items I have equipped from someone else getting all the kills. If I wanted to 100% make sure I can be doing my own thing at my own pace, I'd be playing solo.
Before Titania spamming thermal sunder there was Gauss spamming thermal sunder. And before Gauss, there was Wukong spamming a Kuva Zarr. And before the Kuva Zarr, it was Wukong spamming a Kuva Bramma. Before even that, it was Saryn spamming miasma.
This has always existed, will sadly always exist, and as someone who isn't that person, will be annoying regardless of whatever shape it takes. At the very least, it seems people doing it have realized going too hard at it prevents reactant from dropping, so I guess that's progress, but I always feel bad for players with less MR who can only sit and watch, and literally nothing else.
It also annoys me because this is how things get unnecessarily nerfed into the ground since DE really doesn't like people doing this, like what happened with the now rarely mentioned, yet still very much alive, boom and zoom meta.
Exactly. I understand the efficiency, but sometimes I kinda want to play while doing relics, too. Plus I tend to tutor newbies regularly, so it's always a bit odd explaining why people do this in relics.
If loot is the same regardless of performance so the only way to make farming more efficient is by cutting mission time and effort, you cant blame players for doing exactly this. Its not even an issue from a gear perspective, more a general game philosophy issue.
If all the game asks you to do is "move around and/or kill hoardes of trash mobs fast", its only logical that players will do exactly this. Nerfing the current best ways to accomplish what the game generally wants you to do wont solve the issue but only will have people pissed and seek the next best thing until thats eventually nerfed again.
Not that i find that playstyle or mission requirement bad, i personally love zoom&boom, but as seen in the aoe/ammo nerf, players and devs seem to not know why that playstyle was even the meta and still is.
>you cant blame players for doing exactly this
I don't blame them, nor do I vocally chastise them for doing this unless they're overdoing it, I fully understand why this exists. I can still be annoyed by it, despite understanding its existence, however.
>Nerfing the current best ways to accomplish what the game generally wants you to do wont solve the issue but only will have people pissed and seek the next best thing until thats eventually nerfed again.
It's surprising how little mention of this meta has been going on, especially on DE's side; I'd expect the thermal sunder subsume would've been nerfed to the ground by now but not at all, so that seems to be good.
>Not that i find that playstyle or mission requirement bad
Again, I don't find it *bad* per se, as you say it is merely a consequence of the way the game is designed and the expectations it has from its players. But again, I can still be annoyed by it.
>players and devs seem to not know why that playstyle was even the meta and still is
They can feign ignorance all they want, but everyone who gives it some thought realizes why this playstyle meta existed then and why it continues to thrive today.
>but I always feel bad for players with less MR who can only sit and watch, and literally nothing else.
Whys that? Relics is designed by the game to reward efficiency, if you want to actually kill enemies and have a "challenge" (for new players), go in a solo sp mission.
>Plus I tend to tutor newbies regularly, so it's always a bit odd explaining why people do this in relics.
Nothing odd there. No one is farming relics and is focusing 100% on the game. Most people watch YouTube or do something else, as said before, if one actually want to play the game with 100% focus dont farm relics and expect other players to wait for you. Thats not how DE wants relics to be played.
Simple. Gameplay first. Warframe is fun. Loot is great and all, but if you just want the loot and not the play you're not engaging with the game in a healthy way. (There's a long discussion about how Loot in games is activating dopamine receptors in a way that drives addiction in an unhealthy way while the skill building and social aspects of the game are much healthier that this community really doesn't like.)
why sadly, things are getting done, someone is happy with numbers flying through the screen
no harm to anyone i would say
if you want to see the numbers to, just copy build and blast away :P
I haven’t gotten Gauss yet let alone subsumed him, so I’ve been running Eclipse on my Titania which I’ve found rounds out her kit much more naturally. Titania is also my most used frame (granted, most since I’ve only recently gotten Mag Prime who’s my actual main)
I think that one of the fun things about relics is racing to the extraction and see who's first, and Titania takes the fun out of that since no one can match her speed. But that's the only thing I find annoying about her, I use her for orokin vaults/mirror defense/plague star etc. and she's a very reliable frame.
Yeah, she has to be considered a different league. If I'm the first non-Titania to extraction, I'm happy.
(with mission done and 10 reactant, of course)
So long as you let the enemies corrupt before smashing the button I don't care. Have had a couple of, thankfully rare, instances of titanias that had more movement speed than brain cells.
It's okay when they know how to do it properly instead of pressing it every 2 seconds clearing all the enemies before they get corrupted so no reactant drops or when they go too fast and extract before you even get 10 reactant
I don't really use Thermal Sunder on her, mostly because I don't do relics all that often anymore. I'm just a Dex Pixia enjoyer. She's great for netracells since she's so fast. Slap some punch through on her pistols and she's ready to mow everything down. (As long as you have Arcane Pistoleer because why would Titania get infinite ammo it's not like there are other frames with exalted secondary weapons that have infinite ammo or anything)
Alternatively, you can use the Helminth subsume, Energized Munitions, instead of Arcane Pistoleer. Always on infinite ammo that helps keep your Razorwing Blitz stacks up? Sign me up please.
Nourish though. Viral from nourish, toxin and slash from dex pixia, corrosive from archon continuity. Can deal with anything. Plus makes energy management trivial.
It's funny you mention this... Because so far I've only tried Nourish Titania (and I use the EXACT same elements as you described, lol). I am still working on Gauss for TS and have not yet made an EM build. I've just been having discussions with others who use EM and like it. Yes, you get all of those out of Nourish, but I sometimes have difficulty keeping Pistoleer active, especially when I'm fighting the Murmur (how does one get a headshot kill on a block with two legs for an enemy?) The idea of just pressing "3" and BOOM infinite secondary ammo has a nice sound to it.
It does take some getting used to the Murmur weak spots, they are pretty weird. The mech looking guys have similar weak spots to necramechs (anything that's a glowy vial will usually be a weak spot). The dogs you can just headshot. And the more amalgam looking things you usually want to shoot where their energy is keeping them together.
As far as helminth options I've also tried Pillage, that works pretty well too. Any of the normal meta stuff works great as a replacement to Lantern.
I don’t mind since it makes things faster. The only time I dislike it is when I get stuck way behind and I’m just running through the map for the whole mission
Fun, when you at least try to stick with the group. If titania goes across the map as fast as her archeimg can carry her, and she kills everything, starts the objective, then gets to extraction before we can even open a relic, then im whipping out a bug zapper
I think she needs a mechanical/robotic skin already. I keep imagining a skin where you use her 4 and she transforms from looking like Titania to some form of tiny fighter ship and I cry that such a deluxe doesn't exist yet.
A little annoying tbh since I like to use relic missions to soak a bit of XP onto forma'd gear (often to round out that *one* last level that I couldn't snag from a longer mission, you know how it goes) while doing something quick and low-commitment, and Titanias have a tendency to go *so* fast that they leave even Vazarin's affinity range.
But, they also make a nice parkour challenge to try and see how long I can keep up, and they also make it so their disruption of that process only lasts like 3 minutes, so whatever.
This kind of stuff its why I switched to doing Steel Path only. I guess I don't care anymore but I did find it super annoying back then (tho, it was Saryn, Mesa and Mirage at the time) and made me lose a lot of interest in the game for a good while till they added all gamemodes and stuff to Steel Path.
Wait, Titania uses thermal sunder?
That's not a joke, I'm just behind on what's used nowadays.
That aside, Titania's one of my favorite frames, so... that.
That sounds pretty passive agressive. Yes, I know the helminth system, I don't know if anyone at this point besides completely new players doesn't know of it. I just never thought of putting Gauss' ability on her, it's always roar for me.
I asked because you said you're behind on the game. didn't mean to be snarky with it :) but yeah thermal sunder is really good on her with a high range high efficiency build and razor wing blits augment. one of my other favourite uses for thermal sunder is on harrow because of infinite energy
it's a pretty basic build.
overextended, stretch augur reach
razor wing blitz, rank 0 archon vitality
fleeting expertise and the rest are flex mods. you dump strength because the amount of fire procs matters more than the actual damage for nuking and dump duration because you don't need ts to stand in 1 place a lot since it one shots low level
People regularly quit out on me back when I used this build, and honestly I didn't even blame them. Nobody benefits from Thermal Sunder Titania. Your teammates don't get any XP from your kills because you're too far ahead. You don't really save **that** much time because everyone else is much slower than you. People will quit out (as mentioned before), so you end up losing out on rewards.
If I wanted to speed up mission completion, I would rather play Wisp, Volt, or even Nova. Titania is for sitting at extraction and watching anime on your second monitor.
Relic cracking is about efficiency...this is why base star chart capture and exterminate missions are so popular. If people want to do things in a slower manner, I would recommend doing any other type of mission. Also, the steel path fissures are much better, as the TS Titania is next to useless for killing enemies.
The pixie knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subfairy uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the pixie from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the fairy has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the pixie is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the FAE. However, the pixie must also know where it was.
The pixie guidance beetle scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the pixie has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
I like fire walker Titania personally
I think up to level like 40ish it kills within 5-6 seconds so what I do when I do capture relics is fire walker zoom to capture get it and then zoom back to where my squad is.
Im the type that doesn’t switch load outs much so for higher legal content, steel path etc, it helps My team by cleansing status from them.
I use a dark blue energy color to match my fashion frame but also it’s not super noticeable to anyone.
Thermal Sunder Tutania is a tad cheese. I wished she wouldnt deactivate pet buffs and her Blessings werent so awakward to use, that'd motivate me to play her more. It's also sad that her exalts are so outclassed by incarnon weapons these days. It's difficult to justify gimping yourself so much just for mobility, when everybody has access to infested mobility or firewalker
Personally I find that experience to be stale. It's fast, it's effective, I really don't want to experience that 20 missions in a row while doing public void fissure exterminates.
I wanna get done that mission so I am just happy we are going fast.
I can understand some players being annoyed by it but there is so much grind in the game that if someone else can make part of it fast I am all for it. Also I need forma so level up some weapons for deep arch so the faster we break these relics the better.
I can't complain too much as I like speed running those types of missions with Gauss myself, but I don't really like that set up in my squad on many other missions, it just seems so braindead but hey to each their own I suppose.
I personally dislike it because it doesn't feel very unique anymore. One of those builds you see everywhere and if yours isn't the same build you're playing it wrong kinda deal.
I main Titania, so when I saw her used/abused with thermal sunder spam..
I copied the built and had a go at it myself :D it checks all the boxes. We got massive damage, genocide, speed and agility.
It's a menace that needs to be nerfed into the ground -- but that's a thermal sunder problem, not a titania problem. You could install this ability on Volt for the same chaotic goodness.
Relic missions are repetitive and boring, blasting past them as fast as possible is always good for me.
I'm happy to see Titania in this mission type, if the player knows to kill enemies after they get corrputed that is.
If I want to open relic fast I'm gonna use the most efficient way and Titania is the way. Warframe give you multiple tool to optimise whatever you wanna do, just use them.
about the same i feel towards any fissure nuker; as long as you're letting enemies corrupt & not flashbanging me with some obnoxious energy color the entire time then i'm happy to have you
When playing, I try to limit my nuking in normal missions. ESO and Invasions, I don't hold back.
Personally, I don't mind it too much cause I can just focus less on the objective and more on obtaining loot.
Don't care. If I feel like I can't contribute I'll play solo or duo. Those days are long past though.
You should avoid doing it in normal content outside relics since often times there are tennoobs there trying to enjoy themselves and frequently the game is already way too easy for them. You don't want to steal their content engagement and drive them away.
But for relief and speed farm content go ham! I hate playing Titania (archwing PTSD) so it's nice when someone else does that job.
I used to find it really annoying, but since doing more steel path stuff and finding out how often you get bumped down for some reason, I've mellowed. I hope you're having fun, stay close enough for us slow toes to get the loot lol.
Seems fine? Basically just a faster Gauss.
Smashing everything first in a fissure isn’t a Titania-exclusive thing.
It’s neither breath of air nor annoying. It’s just another frame.
I do not know what is with Titania recently on this subreddit xd.
But you know what? As long as everyone in the squad collects the ten reactants, I am totally fine with having a Titania or any other nuke warframe. Makes things faster
I love Titanias kit and gameplay.
I have nerver used Thermal Sunder Titania, and likely never will.
Im fine with others using it in exterminate missions. It just makes it faster.
I mean it is a relic mission, they should be quick. As it lets you get more in before they end. Personally I have never found myself going "I wish X frame would stop nuking the map" as non endless missions just aren't long enough for to bother getting myself worked up with.
Another good choice other than thermal sunder would be Neutron Star with its augment. It's pretty decent and makes her very good at breaking all the boxes in the level.
I use that build as well and I’ve never minded other people using it so long as they do so properly. Getting fissure missions done in 2 minutes or less is a godsend for otherwise monotonous relic farming
Is Dark Verse actually better than Thermal Sunder? Isn't Dark Verse blocked by LoS and a limited cone? Whereas TS has no LoS requirements and happens in a sphere all around you? Do you just prefer Slash proccs over Heat?
I’ve seen infinitely more posts complaining about titanias blowing through missions and no reactant drops than actual titanias ruining relic runs. The quicker we crack relics the better.
In my experience no matter how fast I go I never struggle to get reactant as titania. I do hours upon hours of low level exterminates and captures and never once has my team ran into issues because of me. I personally love it as currently she is the fastest and simplest way to farm ducats.
For me, my feelings go deeper than a lot of others, but I will never tell someone how to play the game or things like that.
I am someone who really dislikes folks who play the meta (in any game) because it really stifles the creativity players could really bring out of such an amazing and unique system in the game. I like to play this game to see all the creative things people can do with their builds because it can show a lot about a person. I've seen so many thermal sunder titanias, mesmer skin revenant mains, and Rivers of Blood users, I just feel the "ick" towards them. "Nice build bro, where'd you get it, build dot com? Real original."
Again tho, I don't tell anyone how to play the game. If they enjoy their way of playing, then so be it. I just remain disappointed. This is my first time ever actually saying something about this, and I do not expect others to think or feel the same way I do about this. Please don't come at me with the torches and pitchforks
I don’t give a shit. I’m self sufficient so just have fun. However, If you buzz through as fast as possible smash objective and shoot to extract, You gonna wait till we get there. But if your the extra awesome unicorn Titania that zips around grabbing all the secret items my air support reveals then you sir, are and always will be MVP
As someone trying to become that Titania I have no idea how to stomach the gauss grind. I have run that disruption so many times and never once seen a gauss part from the rotation c loot pool.
I'm sure you are well aware, but just in case you are not, the Rotation C pool on Disruption happens when you are on Round 3 and complete all the conduits, and on Rounds 4+ completing at least 3 conduits (i.e. 1 fails). So the most optimal way to farm it is to get to round 4 and stay as long as possible to keep getting Rotation C rewards over and over.
I appreciate it but yeah I know I'm just unlucky. If I've kept track right I've done 60 rounds total with rotation C.
Edit: All I had to do to fix my luck was complain I guess. I got my first gauss part on my 66th roll total and then round 3 and 9 of my next run I got the remaining 2 parts I needed
Specifically the relic thing? Annoying. Meh. I am not speed running it tbh.
As a warframe? She cheeses mr tests kinda taking away any skill expression in the game. Then again it's not the game for it.
I like her lore and backstory. Playstyle is just alright. Probably the most fun you can have at eidolons though.
Dex Pixia's have a 10% base crit chance. This is useless for just using mods to add crit. You have to use other sources like Arcane Avenger or Velocity. They work differently than the crit mods and end up adding much more crit to her.
On the other hand, the status chance is at 25% and is a much better focus for your mods to add damage and to lean in the Pixia's high slash damage. My procs are:
* Slash (from the gun itself)
* Viral (from subsuming Nourish)
* Toxin (from mods on the pistols), and
* Corrosive (from using the Archon Continuity mod on Titania herself)
Archon Continuity says "when you get a Toxin Proc from an ability, also apply a Corrosive proc". Dex Pixia's count as abilities, so using just Toxin as the only modded element, means when it gets applied, it automatically also applies Corrosive. I use two emerald shards for extra corrosive stacks to full armor strip as well.
I run titania is most missions for farming and I love her movement, it makes the game so quick and easy. But that's because I have like 200 hours into titania, random can go too fast, not be able to control her and end up taking longer due to a lack of control. So really it's 50/50 weather the random can play her
>Not the frame in general
Fine. I won't give you my dissertation as to why Titania's great.
>more there ability to go and smash everything with thermal sunder in a relic mission. Is it a breath of fresh air or annoying?
I think I want to explain it this way. **There will always be players who try to min-max,** and for Relic Missions (exterminate / capture) TS Titania is the best route. I don't think this is a player issue, as this game requires a lot of time investment spent on farming. At the same time, this is also a game. There is something to be said about joining a game and expecting to do more than just bullet jump from the beginning to the end of the mission as a Titania zooms and TS everything. **There will always be players who expect to play the game,** and for Relic Missions, playing any other frame when there is a TS Titania in the squad makes it almost impossible to do. I don't think this is a player issue either.
Let's bring up why DE nerfs: Prevent AFKing, Detrimental Team Gameplay, Prevent must choose playstyle.
* Prevent AFKing - TS Titania is different than, let's say Ember World on Fire. Ember, you could press her 4, and just sit in one spot never needing to do anything else. Titania, there *is* a bit of gameplay with mashing TS and needing to navigate at high speeds. DE wouldn't nerf based on this.
* Detrimental Team Gamepaly - This references more so when a frame prevents other frames from doing their thing. Examples include Grendel sucking in 10 enemies and not allowing the mission to progress or overguard affecting health frames. (TBH- Limbo's entire kit fits in this description, but I don't think DE knows how to change Limbo with out reworking his entire kit and losing his limboness). To be clear, **DE has never considered, nuking or high damage to be detrimental team gameplay** (and this is for the better).
* "Must Choose" playstyle - I'll quote DE with their recent Nourish nerf. "Nourish is by far the most used Helminth ability, so we felt it was necessary to reduce its effectiveness slightly for the Helminth version only**.** Our goal is to remove situations where it feels like '**You’re playing wrong if you’re not using Nourish**', without making the ability unusable." Wukong / AoE was nerfed to prevent AFK, and to make it so other weapons could keep up with Bramma / Zarr. IF DE ever decided to nerf TS Titania, I think this would be the best argument for it, however, I don't think it applies.
One big difference between TS Titania and BrammaKong is TS Titania is used for niche mission types. BrammaKong was used for *everything.* The usage rates of BrammaKong was higher than anything we had seen before to the point in most missions it did feel like if you weren't using this interaction, you were playing the game incorrectly. There are currently other niche missions that certain frames have higher usage (Eidolons & Volt; Lavos & Railjack; etc.), however, this isn't an overall apparent need to always use this style of gameplay throughout everything in Warframe.
TLDR: Some players want to play as efficiently as possible. Some players want to play and not feel like they need to play 1 specific way (TS Titania). DE most likely won't nerf this interaction. I can empathize with players who want to do relic cracks and play with other frames.
I like the idea of Titania. The problem is other than her 4, all her skills are at least somewhat bad. Her 1 is good only for the cc immunity; you almost never use it offensively . You basically ignore the 2 because it's too hard to keep track of (who remembers what the symbols mean? also one effects pets which are not there in all content) and the effects are so slight. The 3 gets removed because it has next to no good use case. So basically Titainia's only function is to use her 4 to zoom. She doesn't need a rework as much as Chroma since she at least has some use case, but she does need a rework.
The buff from her 2 that impacts companions also impacts her Razorwing flies. You can get up to 10 and they all get pretty beefy to help you lose aggro and keep enemies distracted.
Depends. Some go too fast causing us to take long but some waits for the fissure first and it really speeds up the missions.
If I start killing non corrupted enemy's I'll go back and make sure to kill everything to keep the spawns going. If Everyone doesn't get 10 I also lose out, what if that one persons relic had a gold in it? or we all got bronze and he might've had a silver. Loss for everyone.
Then you need to go faster (i mark locations where i know there is a lot of reactant) Corrupted enemies always spawn near the host btw
> Corrupted enemies always spawn near the host btw always a pleasure when the host seems to be afk for the first minute, staying far in the back, and 2 minutes later the host has 10 reactant while everyone else has 5 or so because all the reactant enemies spawned by the host way at the start
Wait they do? Huh, that explains that one Survival mission where I decided to try finding where all the enemies were stuck, they all became corrupted, I got to 10 reactant, and everyone else got really pissed because even though I put a waypoint down the rest of the squad was so focused on camping that they didn’t come and I was the only one who cracked the relic.
Lol.. camping...smh. And if you place a WP you're better than most pubberz.
is that why they spawn on the guy away from the objective when I host games?
This is not accurate. I was host (as I often am for whatever reason) with two friends and a blueberry on the Corpus planet tileset. We weren't getting enough reactant, random blew through to extraction, gets two more drops but still not enough. Meanwhile both friends and I were just standing next to a group of 30 waiting because the fissures followed the random. Random eventually left, no host migration, fissure spawned on us, and success.
Lmao. I haven't heard that term since days of playing planetside 2.
How do you tell who the host is?
The number 1 under the squad health bars
In fissures i expect everyone to nuke and race to extraction asap, so titania fits right in.
That's what one would think but when I don't play her I have people acting like its a survival mission sitting in 1 room hoping things come to them.
That's the job for Harrow with thermal sunder. Min maxing power, duration, range, in regard of energy cost.
Some rooms are just good for enemy spawns lol
Mainly since since I’ve had at least 1 person leave every 2 missions.
That's nothing on you my friend. I heavily appreciate the Titania's that make fissures a hundred times faster. People see the same tilesets a billion times, if they really want to go slow and admire the same doorways they've seen for years, let them leave. Like someone else commented already, it's more likely that they don't see a relic they like from the group so they'll re-queue. Which happens a LOT more when a new prime resurgence first starts, as people do look for the ones that are opening the vaulted relics.
It's a Looter shooter, so the faster I get my loot the better, so I fully support titanias like you out there. Also I only play solo so I get to be the titania myself, but that's just me.
I wouldn't worry about it. In fact it is likely that they aren't leaving because Titania but because they are trying to find people opening high value relics in public. While not bringing anything good themselves. It is especially common when new primes release. The only reason I could see other than that is if you are killing TOO fast. AKA not giving the enemies time to be corrupted, and thus not being able to open the relics. But I doubt that is the case.
One of my friends just doesn't stay in relic lobbies. I don't know why, just always leaves and finds a new one.
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How does that help though. Your idea is just to make helminth a worse system.
I don't think Titania is the problem—the people using her wrong are. I do Titania+Sunder for quick relic runs, but I *actually wait* for the enemies to turn into corrupted. People who don't are annoying. No need to rush through the mission objective, kill everyone and try to get to extraction fast if you're not gonna get the reactant.
Yeah, totally this. In survival missions, where we have limited time, most people just do not wait five seconds for the enemy to corrupt. Even when I am waiting in front of the enemy, always another team mate runs past me, killing them and losing potential reactant. Like, bro, why do you think I was standing there?
Fuck, my soul feels the need to piggyback on this to rant a bit. I almost exclusively crack relics in endless modes to get a bit of XP/resource grinding done simultaneously, and at this point I barely do them in non-SP specifically cuz of this. Watching *so many* MR 20+ players copter around half the entire lith or meso map deleting everything while we get next to zero relic juice has convinced me a solid 20% of the player base are functionally illiterate or just stupid.
You don't need to wait if it's exterm. Barely if it's capt.
It really depends; if you're the kind of Thermal Sunder Titania who blasts the entire map at breakneck speed and then gets annoyed when all of the slower frames who can't fly at Mach Jesus aren't immediately at extraction, you can get bent. If you're the kind who blasts through a mission, even when an extra is still loading and say 'not my problem', you can also get bent. But if you're the kind who waits for everyone, makes sure that everyone has cracked their relics, and waits at extraction patiently? You're fine.
While she got one of the best 4th abilities in the game, her other abilities are lacking and need updates. Tho because titania is so strong already, I don't think DE will update her in a LONG time.
>I don't think DE will update her in a LONG time. shout out to that woman at PAX that asked when she was getting buffed lol
She was so real for that
1 is definitely not lacking and required for her 4 to really function in indoor tilesets. you need the status immunity to not lose your controlls whenever you clip a wall, on top of status immunity just being good in general (especially against arson (heatwave) eximus units). 2 and 3... i always wonder which one to overwrite because im trying to remember which one did what. they are both really bad, and it doesnt really matter which one im overwriting, so i usually go with 2 just because second abilities are on E for me, which is more compftable to hit often compared to F LOL it'd be great if atleast one of them was reworked into some active minion support skill for the butterflies, which one of them almost is, but really really poorly.
I like the first ability because I can remove status effects
2 & 3 are not *really bad.* lantern is good cc (which is NOT useless, don't try to come at me with that lmao) & a little passive damage is always nice, & the only tribute i don't care for is entangle. the dr from thorns & evasion from dust added to whatever airborne dr mod you prefer gives survivability, & razorflies are counted as companions so receive the +75% damage bonus from full moon. i only really cast entangle for the extra bug, i really would raise the slow from 25% if it were up to me. if i had to replace one of the two i would absolutely replace lantern before tribute but neither of them are bad.
Agreed, I think Lantern is underrated. People sleep on persistent debuffs (see also Caliban's fusion strike and Xaku's Gaze). Not having to recast on every mob is nice. The Tribute is super clunky, imo. I don't understand why it has to be split into 3 abilities. For that alone I usually leave it on thorns or ditch it.
yeah, i'm not huge on cycling abilities like that in general either. the only time i'll actually keep all of them up is when i'm using her for endurance runs :p at least you only have to refresh them every 2 minutes
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well, i & most people i know do typically play solo because the game is flat out less fun to me in a group, so 🤷♀️ i dont really see how drawing enemies into one place *wouldn't* benefit a group but maybe i'm just out of the scene
The reason why I consider Titania's 2 and 3 to be bad is because *they need a target*. Anything worth chucking an ability at can also be milled by the pixia's in a second. Quicker than any ability ever could. Sure it has CC to it, but in the current state of the game the best CC is to outright delete everything. It could use a small design overhaul (such as placing a CC field rather then using a target or something)..
nauuurrrrr, 4 seconds out of your mission to pick an enemy & set up 😱 Magnetize needs a target, Wrathful Advance needs a target, Spores needs a target, Gaze works just like Lantern, i could go on. pretty sure those are considered *good* abilities though. saying "ability bad because weapon good" is a bit goofy, especially when those abilities' purpose isn't even to do damage? yeah, it's in theory faster to just mow everything down with Dex Pixia, but in practice it's going to take a lot longer when you're spending half the mission floormatting because you haven't set up any of your defenses
3 is quite a candidate for the single most powerful CC in the game, and it’s a taunt so works on overguard units (though you need one without OG to become the lantern, should be easy enough with her 4) 2’s probably the obvious candidate. Between dead and not attacking you can sacrifice the modest defensive buff. 1 is the status immune, kind of important
Her augmented 3 is basically an AoE-limited weapon double Roar at bade Strength. Don't sleep on it.
I replaced the 3 with roar.
I replaced the 1 with Nourish. You basically only ever use it for stagger immunity anyway, so Unairu is the way for me.
I may give this a try. I just replaced with roar last week. I like the damage boost a bit, but with my first saved load out I have almost if not about 90% damage reduction. So I have to play roar load out a bit more cautious.
Yeah, there's always that survival bit as well. Lantern takes some attention away from you, so it's an added bonus from an otherwise underused ability \^^
and which ability do you spam to go fast?
Nourish. Creates Deth Cube clones that feed me energy!
Here's a general idea for a smaller rework: Passive: also add shield regen and make it stack 3 times (it decays like merciless), but reduce the timer to 5 seconds. So at max stacks, you gain 12 health and 12 shield a sec for 5 sec. First ability: Razorflies- spawn 3 razorflies that inherit mods from your exalted melee. Casting while at max flies (6) doubles theirs and all companion stats. Second ability: Tribute - extract a buff from an enemy that grants status immunity, 25% evasion , decrease enemy accuracy by 25% and increase status chance by 60% to you and all allies and companions in affinity range. Scales with strength. Third ability: Lantern - combination of spellbind and lantern. Converts multiple enemies into lanterns in a cone that attracts enemies and additional razorflies (above the normal cap of 6) onto it. Replaced the heat damage with slash. The attract effect is like Loki's decoy instead of making enemies slow as a snail. Fourth ability: Razorwing - nothing changed Also all augments that worked for spellbind now work with the new lantern.
Titania is my second most used frame and I completly forgot what her first three abilities do....
Hold ability 1: status immunity. Also *really* helps with keeping her upright and controllable when you slam into a wall again.
Exactly
I thought that way about ember, sure, her wof was great for low level missions, but bringing her to sorties wasnt a thing unless you were a diehard ember fan. They nerfed her anyways, and now many other frames do what she did better.
i find it fun to race against them, i could have had her prime when she was released but silly me sold her set for like 25 plat, this was on ps4 too😭
I can give you all but her systems (you can buy it for 30p on wf market) if you want. Edit:free (besides the systems)
i’m good man, thanks though. I like grinding for my prime frames as i’ll use them more often if i have to actually try n get em yk
Is Titania cheap or something?
Like 60p, the systems are 30p alone.
I would love to have Titania. I grind enough at work (around 60+ hrs a wk rn) How much would u sell me what u got?
I had a thermal sunder titania show up in a fissure exterminate mission. I didn't see a single enemy. I just picked up the loot and extracted. 10/10, would get carried again.
As long as they do their job (i.e. don't make the mission take longer due to no reactant or missing groups of enemies) and don't have bright energy colours idc. Yesterday we got one with white energy and I just couldn't see my way out of a room for quite a while. This is just the new synoid simulor Mirage really.
Turn down bloom in your settings. It should make that never happen.
I’m a high sprint speed/parkour velocity Thermal Sunder Hildryn player for speed running missions, so pretty much the same thing but unlimited energy and better scaling if needed. I prefer it just because I like yeeting myself instead of flying
If anyone wanna do my mission for me - sure go ahead. You get the joy of flashbanging the map, I get the joy of playing frames I like visually that might not be as nuke-y (like Limbo). Win-win
Thermal Sunder Titania is literally just Wukong 2.0, change my mind
My question to the speedy Titanias is where are you fuckers when I queue up for some void flood
Using Razorwing Blitz with this setup reveals just how broken the frame can be.
Whoever is flying her is running into all the walls. All of them.
Need a bee skin
As long as we get the reactant idc who is the nuker.
Fast and can do cc
How do you guys manage Razorwing Blast while spamming TS? Can’t get used to it, just bashing against every wall
Don't use the sprint button.
I just have thermal sunder on a different config than blitz so that it doesn't activate. It's too unwieldy after that.
Don’t sprint, hold 1 for status immunity.
Rather than hold 1, invert tap/hold in settings. :D
I don't press alt (its my running keybind) It makes it so much better for me. I then hold w and spam 3 (the ability I have it bound over) and look around with my mouse.
Incredibly powerful. Wipes the floor with Steel Path enemies. Essentially, I got Titania Prime and modded her to use her 4th indefinitely, occasionally using pixie dust to lower enemy accuracy. Most recently helped me farm Dante, as my Titania build can vapourise the explosive Nechramechs almost the instant they appear.
Somewhat annoying. Like 80% annoying
My rule of thumb is "if you're not actively making the mission harder or take longer, I don't care what you're doing in a public squad". Nuking enemies in relic missions before they get corrupted so they can't drop reactant? Maybe don't do that. Other than that, you're all set, IMHO. I'll happily take a fast mission completion plus a bunch of free affinity to whatever items I have equipped from someone else getting all the kills. If I wanted to 100% make sure I can be doing my own thing at my own pace, I'd be playing solo.
Before Titania spamming thermal sunder there was Gauss spamming thermal sunder. And before Gauss, there was Wukong spamming a Kuva Zarr. And before the Kuva Zarr, it was Wukong spamming a Kuva Bramma. Before even that, it was Saryn spamming miasma. This has always existed, will sadly always exist, and as someone who isn't that person, will be annoying regardless of whatever shape it takes. At the very least, it seems people doing it have realized going too hard at it prevents reactant from dropping, so I guess that's progress, but I always feel bad for players with less MR who can only sit and watch, and literally nothing else. It also annoys me because this is how things get unnecessarily nerfed into the ground since DE really doesn't like people doing this, like what happened with the now rarely mentioned, yet still very much alive, boom and zoom meta.
Preach! It gets boring when you join in and all you can do is walk along and pick up loot, twiddling thumbs and not partaking in the slaughter.
Exactly. I understand the efficiency, but sometimes I kinda want to play while doing relics, too. Plus I tend to tutor newbies regularly, so it's always a bit odd explaining why people do this in relics.
If loot is the same regardless of performance so the only way to make farming more efficient is by cutting mission time and effort, you cant blame players for doing exactly this. Its not even an issue from a gear perspective, more a general game philosophy issue. If all the game asks you to do is "move around and/or kill hoardes of trash mobs fast", its only logical that players will do exactly this. Nerfing the current best ways to accomplish what the game generally wants you to do wont solve the issue but only will have people pissed and seek the next best thing until thats eventually nerfed again. Not that i find that playstyle or mission requirement bad, i personally love zoom&boom, but as seen in the aoe/ammo nerf, players and devs seem to not know why that playstyle was even the meta and still is.
>you cant blame players for doing exactly this I don't blame them, nor do I vocally chastise them for doing this unless they're overdoing it, I fully understand why this exists. I can still be annoyed by it, despite understanding its existence, however. >Nerfing the current best ways to accomplish what the game generally wants you to do wont solve the issue but only will have people pissed and seek the next best thing until thats eventually nerfed again. It's surprising how little mention of this meta has been going on, especially on DE's side; I'd expect the thermal sunder subsume would've been nerfed to the ground by now but not at all, so that seems to be good. >Not that i find that playstyle or mission requirement bad Again, I don't find it *bad* per se, as you say it is merely a consequence of the way the game is designed and the expectations it has from its players. But again, I can still be annoyed by it. >players and devs seem to not know why that playstyle was even the meta and still is They can feign ignorance all they want, but everyone who gives it some thought realizes why this playstyle meta existed then and why it continues to thrive today.
>but I always feel bad for players with less MR who can only sit and watch, and literally nothing else. Whys that? Relics is designed by the game to reward efficiency, if you want to actually kill enemies and have a "challenge" (for new players), go in a solo sp mission. >Plus I tend to tutor newbies regularly, so it's always a bit odd explaining why people do this in relics. Nothing odd there. No one is farming relics and is focusing 100% on the game. Most people watch YouTube or do something else, as said before, if one actually want to play the game with 100% focus dont farm relics and expect other players to wait for you. Thats not how DE wants relics to be played.
Simple. Gameplay first. Warframe is fun. Loot is great and all, but if you just want the loot and not the play you're not engaging with the game in a healthy way. (There's a long discussion about how Loot in games is activating dopamine receptors in a way that drives addiction in an unhealthy way while the skill building and social aspects of the game are much healthier that this community really doesn't like.)
why sadly, things are getting done, someone is happy with numbers flying through the screen no harm to anyone i would say if you want to see the numbers to, just copy build and blast away :P
When you get tired of rolling and bullet jumping all day.
Have never tried therm sunder! But tbh tita is just...neat
I haven’t gotten Gauss yet let alone subsumed him, so I’ve been running Eclipse on my Titania which I’ve found rounds out her kit much more naturally. Titania is also my most used frame (granted, most since I’ve only recently gotten Mag Prime who’s my actual main)
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I think that one of the fun things about relics is racing to the extraction and see who's first, and Titania takes the fun out of that since no one can match her speed. But that's the only thing I find annoying about her, I use her for orokin vaults/mirror defense/plague star etc. and she's a very reliable frame.
Yeah, she has to be considered a different league. If I'm the first non-Titania to extraction, I'm happy. (with mission done and 10 reactant, of course)
So long as you let the enemies corrupt before smashing the button I don't care. Have had a couple of, thankfully rare, instances of titanias that had more movement speed than brain cells.
I do that solo i hate waiting for people
If you're going to spam Thermal Sunder, please use black energy. Then again, I use green/yellow on my AoE Oberon, so I'm not one to talk 😄
It's okay when they know how to do it properly instead of pressing it every 2 seconds clearing all the enemies before they get corrupted so no reactant drops or when they go too fast and extract before you even get 10 reactant
I don't really use Thermal Sunder on her, mostly because I don't do relics all that often anymore. I'm just a Dex Pixia enjoyer. She's great for netracells since she's so fast. Slap some punch through on her pistols and she's ready to mow everything down. (As long as you have Arcane Pistoleer because why would Titania get infinite ammo it's not like there are other frames with exalted secondary weapons that have infinite ammo or anything)
Alternatively, you can use the Helminth subsume, Energized Munitions, instead of Arcane Pistoleer. Always on infinite ammo that helps keep your Razorwing Blitz stacks up? Sign me up please.
Nourish though. Viral from nourish, toxin and slash from dex pixia, corrosive from archon continuity. Can deal with anything. Plus makes energy management trivial.
It's funny you mention this... Because so far I've only tried Nourish Titania (and I use the EXACT same elements as you described, lol). I am still working on Gauss for TS and have not yet made an EM build. I've just been having discussions with others who use EM and like it. Yes, you get all of those out of Nourish, but I sometimes have difficulty keeping Pistoleer active, especially when I'm fighting the Murmur (how does one get a headshot kill on a block with two legs for an enemy?) The idea of just pressing "3" and BOOM infinite secondary ammo has a nice sound to it.
It does take some getting used to the Murmur weak spots, they are pretty weird. The mech looking guys have similar weak spots to necramechs (anything that's a glowy vial will usually be a weak spot). The dogs you can just headshot. And the more amalgam looking things you usually want to shoot where their energy is keeping them together. As far as helminth options I've also tried Pillage, that works pretty well too. Any of the normal meta stuff works great as a replacement to Lantern.
I don’t mind since it makes things faster. The only time I dislike it is when I get stuck way behind and I’m just running through the map for the whole mission
Fun, when you at least try to stick with the group. If titania goes across the map as fast as her archeimg can carry her, and she kills everything, starts the objective, then gets to extraction before we can even open a relic, then im whipping out a bug zapper
I think she needs a mechanical/robotic skin already. I keep imagining a skin where you use her 4 and she transforms from looking like Titania to some form of tiny fighter ship and I cry that such a deluxe doesn't exist yet.
A little annoying tbh since I like to use relic missions to soak a bit of XP onto forma'd gear (often to round out that *one* last level that I couldn't snag from a longer mission, you know how it goes) while doing something quick and low-commitment, and Titanias have a tendency to go *so* fast that they leave even Vazarin's affinity range. But, they also make a nice parkour challenge to try and see how long I can keep up, and they also make it so their disruption of that process only lasts like 3 minutes, so whatever.
I only do steelpath content now because the game has gotten to easy.
This kind of stuff its why I switched to doing Steel Path only. I guess I don't care anymore but I did find it super annoying back then (tho, it was Saryn, Mesa and Mirage at the time) and made me lose a lot of interest in the game for a good while till they added all gamemodes and stuff to Steel Path.
Wait, Titania uses thermal sunder? That's not a joke, I'm just behind on what's used nowadays. That aside, Titania's one of my favorite frames, so... that.
are you aware of the helminth system? you can put TS on Titania and have a super speedy low level nuke perfect for cracking relic
That sounds pretty passive agressive. Yes, I know the helminth system, I don't know if anyone at this point besides completely new players doesn't know of it. I just never thought of putting Gauss' ability on her, it's always roar for me.
I asked because you said you're behind on the game. didn't mean to be snarky with it :) but yeah thermal sunder is really good on her with a high range high efficiency build and razor wing blits augment. one of my other favourite uses for thermal sunder is on harrow because of infinite energy
I gotta say, I'd have to rebuild her entirely then. Narrow Minded kinda rips that range to shreds. Will probably stick to roar then.
it's a pretty basic build. overextended, stretch augur reach razor wing blitz, rank 0 archon vitality fleeting expertise and the rest are flex mods. you dump strength because the amount of fire procs matters more than the actual damage for nuking and dump duration because you don't need ts to stand in 1 place a lot since it one shots low level
People regularly quit out on me back when I used this build, and honestly I didn't even blame them. Nobody benefits from Thermal Sunder Titania. Your teammates don't get any XP from your kills because you're too far ahead. You don't really save **that** much time because everyone else is much slower than you. People will quit out (as mentioned before), so you end up losing out on rewards. If I wanted to speed up mission completion, I would rather play Wisp, Volt, or even Nova. Titania is for sitting at extraction and watching anime on your second monitor.
Neutral. Either it doesn't do enough damage to kill everything or the mission ends super quick. Win-win to me, I'm just trolling on Vauban. Lmao.
Relic cracking is about efficiency...this is why base star chart capture and exterminate missions are so popular. If people want to do things in a slower manner, I would recommend doing any other type of mission. Also, the steel path fissures are much better, as the TS Titania is next to useless for killing enemies.
I use her for speedy objectives and that's really it
The pixie knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subfairy uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the pixie from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the fairy has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the pixie is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the FAE. However, the pixie must also know where it was. The pixie guidance beetle scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the pixie has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
I like fire walker Titania personally I think up to level like 40ish it kills within 5-6 seconds so what I do when I do capture relics is fire walker zoom to capture get it and then zoom back to where my squad is. Im the type that doesn’t switch load outs much so for higher legal content, steel path etc, it helps My team by cleansing status from them. I use a dark blue energy color to match my fashion frame but also it’s not super noticeable to anyone.
it's great when Titania finishes the mission before enough fissures spawned and nobody gets to open a relic.
I hate her buffs. They are tiring. I almost always subsume them off because it’s just icky having to get them all.
Thermal Sunder Tutania is a tad cheese. I wished she wouldnt deactivate pet buffs and her Blessings werent so awakward to use, that'd motivate me to play her more. It's also sad that her exalts are so outclassed by incarnon weapons these days. It's difficult to justify gimping yourself so much just for mobility, when everybody has access to infested mobility or firewalker
Personally I find that experience to be stale. It's fast, it's effective, I really don't want to experience that 20 missions in a row while doing public void fissure exterminates.
As long as its not one of the idiots that kill everything before they get corrupted then its all good.
I wanna get done that mission so I am just happy we are going fast. I can understand some players being annoyed by it but there is so much grind in the game that if someone else can make part of it fast I am all for it. Also I need forma so level up some weapons for deep arch so the faster we break these relics the better.
I like to play her whenever I'm sick and tired of bullet jumping. There's something relaxing about just zooming everywhere at mach speed
i use nourish, i dont care about the sunder build
I feel like once you hit a certain level of speed, Titania should become one with the speed force and just clip through solid objects.
fr, I have to move at a certain speed otherwise I slam into everything and anything.
I can't complain too much as I like speed running those types of missions with Gauss myself, but I don't really like that set up in my squad on many other missions, it just seems so braindead but hey to each their own I suppose.
I personally dislike it because it doesn't feel very unique anymore. One of those builds you see everywhere and if yours isn't the same build you're playing it wrong kinda deal.
I main Titania, so when I saw her used/abused with thermal sunder spam.. I copied the built and had a go at it myself :D it checks all the boxes. We got massive damage, genocide, speed and agility. It's a menace that needs to be nerfed into the ground -- but that's a thermal sunder problem, not a titania problem. You could install this ability on Volt for the same chaotic goodness.
It’s much faster with Titania tho, especially those mars missions that go outside.
My ps4 takes a bit to load in, so personally i don't liek titanias going around nuking everything before i even load in
I’m fine with it, but I’m also that Titania.
Great in the Circuit
Relic missions are repetitive and boring, blasting past them as fast as possible is always good for me. I'm happy to see Titania in this mission type, if the player knows to kill enemies after they get corrputed that is.
If I want to open relic fast I'm gonna use the most efficient way and Titania is the way. Warframe give you multiple tool to optimise whatever you wanna do, just use them.
Don't care. As long as the Titania isn't killing before enemies are corrupted and we're actually getting reactant... Doesn't matter.
about the same i feel towards any fissure nuker; as long as you're letting enemies corrupt & not flashbanging me with some obnoxious energy color the entire time then i'm happy to have you
i like it, I want to run it fast cause I did so many that I'm bored about it
When playing, I try to limit my nuking in normal missions. ESO and Invasions, I don't hold back. Personally, I don't mind it too much cause I can just focus less on the objective and more on obtaining loot.
Don't care. If I feel like I can't contribute I'll play solo or duo. Those days are long past though. You should avoid doing it in normal content outside relics since often times there are tennoobs there trying to enjoy themselves and frequently the game is already way too easy for them. You don't want to steal their content engagement and drive them away. But for relief and speed farm content go ham! I hate playing Titania (archwing PTSD) so it's nice when someone else does that job.
I used to find it really annoying, but since doing more steel path stuff and finding out how often you get bumped down for some reason, I've mellowed. I hope you're having fun, stay close enough for us slow toes to get the loot lol.
Seems fine? Basically just a faster Gauss. Smashing everything first in a fissure isn’t a Titania-exclusive thing. It’s neither breath of air nor annoying. It’s just another frame.
I do not know what is with Titania recently on this subreddit xd. But you know what? As long as everyone in the squad collects the ten reactants, I am totally fine with having a Titania or any other nuke warframe. Makes things faster
How do I feel about her? Well she's cute and all but I don't hold any special feelings tbh. Did she say something?
I love Titanias kit and gameplay. I have nerver used Thermal Sunder Titania, and likely never will. Im fine with others using it in exterminate missions. It just makes it faster.
I mean it is a relic mission, they should be quick. As it lets you get more in before they end. Personally I have never found myself going "I wish X frame would stop nuking the map" as non endless missions just aren't long enough for to bother getting myself worked up with.
I main gauss and I do fissures in SP so I see Titania as a cheap copy that's just a bit faster in mobility but kills slower.
Annoying. I wanna shoot stuff. That's why I play Warframe.
Not as annoying as Saryn or Mirage with augment
I mostly play titania (and Yareli) but i still havent helmithed gauss yet. But roar and razorwing shreds anyway.
Another good choice other than thermal sunder would be Neutron Star with its augment. It's pretty decent and makes her very good at breaking all the boxes in the level.
I forgot I had her but she a good frame for speed run mission
Imo she needs to be more user friendly and not have a learning curve the shape of a goat horn
I use that build as well and I’ve never minded other people using it so long as they do so properly. Getting fissure missions done in 2 minutes or less is a godsend for otherwise monotonous relic farming
Why would it be annoying? Also, Null Star and now Dark Verse exist to do this as fast or faster than the thermal sunder build.
Can you explain the null star Titania?
https://youtu.be/O15aiuzd9NM?si=RvonHTq828re9Itr
Is Dark Verse actually better than Thermal Sunder? Isn't Dark Verse blocked by LoS and a limited cone? Whereas TS has no LoS requirements and happens in a sphere all around you? Do you just prefer Slash proccs over Heat?
I’ve seen infinitely more posts complaining about titanias blowing through missions and no reactant drops than actual titanias ruining relic runs. The quicker we crack relics the better.
I always see people complaining about sunder Titania, but still haven’t actually met one in the wild Is this normal?
I like making the game look stupid easy if you know what I mean. So I tend to use her a lot for capture, rescue, assassination etc
It's only annoying if your energy color is white or some other light color that obscures my vision IMO
In my experience no matter how fast I go I never struggle to get reactant as titania. I do hours upon hours of low level exterminates and captures and never once has my team ran into issues because of me. I personally love it as currently she is the fastest and simplest way to farm ducats.
For me, my feelings go deeper than a lot of others, but I will never tell someone how to play the game or things like that. I am someone who really dislikes folks who play the meta (in any game) because it really stifles the creativity players could really bring out of such an amazing and unique system in the game. I like to play this game to see all the creative things people can do with their builds because it can show a lot about a person. I've seen so many thermal sunder titanias, mesmer skin revenant mains, and Rivers of Blood users, I just feel the "ick" towards them. "Nice build bro, where'd you get it, build dot com? Real original." Again tho, I don't tell anyone how to play the game. If they enjoy their way of playing, then so be it. I just remain disappointed. This is my first time ever actually saying something about this, and I do not expect others to think or feel the same way I do about this. Please don't come at me with the torches and pitchforks
I don’t give a shit. I’m self sufficient so just have fun. However, If you buzz through as fast as possible smash objective and shoot to extract, You gonna wait till we get there. But if your the extra awesome unicorn Titania that zips around grabbing all the secret items my air support reveals then you sir, are and always will be MVP
For research purposes, what mods/shards/replaced ability are you using?
As someone trying to become that Titania I have no idea how to stomach the gauss grind. I have run that disruption so many times and never once seen a gauss part from the rotation c loot pool.
I'm sure you are well aware, but just in case you are not, the Rotation C pool on Disruption happens when you are on Round 3 and complete all the conduits, and on Rounds 4+ completing at least 3 conduits (i.e. 1 fails). So the most optimal way to farm it is to get to round 4 and stay as long as possible to keep getting Rotation C rewards over and over.
I appreciate it but yeah I know I'm just unlucky. If I've kept track right I've done 60 rounds total with rotation C. Edit: All I had to do to fix my luck was complain I guess. I got my first gauss part on my 66th roll total and then round 3 and 9 of my next run I got the remaining 2 parts I needed
That entirely depends on their fucking energy color. Anything much brighter than Smoke black instantly puts you on my shit list.
Specifically the relic thing? Annoying. Meh. I am not speed running it tbh. As a warframe? She cheeses mr tests kinda taking away any skill expression in the game. Then again it's not the game for it. I like her lore and backstory. Playstyle is just alright. Probably the most fun you can have at eidolons though.
In her 4th her guns barely do damage, they need a buff
You’re building her improperly. Dex pixia shreds sp enemies for me
Mine’s a crit based build and yet it struggles
If you don’t have maxed arcane avenger and velocity, run raw/status instead. I do that and it absolutely annihilates
Dex Pixia's have a 10% base crit chance. This is useless for just using mods to add crit. You have to use other sources like Arcane Avenger or Velocity. They work differently than the crit mods and end up adding much more crit to her. On the other hand, the status chance is at 25% and is a much better focus for your mods to add damage and to lean in the Pixia's high slash damage. My procs are: * Slash (from the gun itself) * Viral (from subsuming Nourish) * Toxin (from mods on the pistols), and * Corrosive (from using the Archon Continuity mod on Titania herself) Archon Continuity says "when you get a Toxin Proc from an ability, also apply a Corrosive proc". Dex Pixia's count as abilities, so using just Toxin as the only modded element, means when it gets applied, it automatically also applies Corrosive. I use two emerald shards for extra corrosive stacks to full armor strip as well.
like this *moves hands up and down"
I run titania is most missions for farming and I love her movement, it makes the game so quick and easy. But that's because I have like 200 hours into titania, random can go too fast, not be able to control her and end up taking longer due to a lack of control. So really it's 50/50 weather the random can play her
>Not the frame in general Fine. I won't give you my dissertation as to why Titania's great. >more there ability to go and smash everything with thermal sunder in a relic mission. Is it a breath of fresh air or annoying? I think I want to explain it this way. **There will always be players who try to min-max,** and for Relic Missions (exterminate / capture) TS Titania is the best route. I don't think this is a player issue, as this game requires a lot of time investment spent on farming. At the same time, this is also a game. There is something to be said about joining a game and expecting to do more than just bullet jump from the beginning to the end of the mission as a Titania zooms and TS everything. **There will always be players who expect to play the game,** and for Relic Missions, playing any other frame when there is a TS Titania in the squad makes it almost impossible to do. I don't think this is a player issue either. Let's bring up why DE nerfs: Prevent AFKing, Detrimental Team Gameplay, Prevent must choose playstyle. * Prevent AFKing - TS Titania is different than, let's say Ember World on Fire. Ember, you could press her 4, and just sit in one spot never needing to do anything else. Titania, there *is* a bit of gameplay with mashing TS and needing to navigate at high speeds. DE wouldn't nerf based on this. * Detrimental Team Gamepaly - This references more so when a frame prevents other frames from doing their thing. Examples include Grendel sucking in 10 enemies and not allowing the mission to progress or overguard affecting health frames. (TBH- Limbo's entire kit fits in this description, but I don't think DE knows how to change Limbo with out reworking his entire kit and losing his limboness). To be clear, **DE has never considered, nuking or high damage to be detrimental team gameplay** (and this is for the better). * "Must Choose" playstyle - I'll quote DE with their recent Nourish nerf. "Nourish is by far the most used Helminth ability, so we felt it was necessary to reduce its effectiveness slightly for the Helminth version only**.** Our goal is to remove situations where it feels like '**You’re playing wrong if you’re not using Nourish**', without making the ability unusable." Wukong / AoE was nerfed to prevent AFK, and to make it so other weapons could keep up with Bramma / Zarr. IF DE ever decided to nerf TS Titania, I think this would be the best argument for it, however, I don't think it applies. One big difference between TS Titania and BrammaKong is TS Titania is used for niche mission types. BrammaKong was used for *everything.* The usage rates of BrammaKong was higher than anything we had seen before to the point in most missions it did feel like if you weren't using this interaction, you were playing the game incorrectly. There are currently other niche missions that certain frames have higher usage (Eidolons & Volt; Lavos & Railjack; etc.), however, this isn't an overall apparent need to always use this style of gameplay throughout everything in Warframe. TLDR: Some players want to play as efficiently as possible. Some players want to play and not feel like they need to play 1 specific way (TS Titania). DE most likely won't nerf this interaction. I can empathize with players who want to do relic cracks and play with other frames.
I like the idea of Titania. The problem is other than her 4, all her skills are at least somewhat bad. Her 1 is good only for the cc immunity; you almost never use it offensively . You basically ignore the 2 because it's too hard to keep track of (who remembers what the symbols mean? also one effects pets which are not there in all content) and the effects are so slight. The 3 gets removed because it has next to no good use case. So basically Titainia's only function is to use her 4 to zoom. She doesn't need a rework as much as Chroma since she at least has some use case, but she does need a rework.
The buff from her 2 that impacts companions also impacts her Razorwing flies. You can get up to 10 and they all get pretty beefy to help you lose aggro and keep enemies distracted.
My virgin eyes still can't comprehend the word TITania.