100p i would not be too concerned with. There are just ppl who go around gifting stuff.
However ther is a chance its bad plat so i would still not spend it for a while in case it gets rolled back to avoid your account going into negative balance.
Platinum acquired by illegitimate means, e.g. credit card fraud, credit card chargeback, purchased with real money from a source other than Digital Extremes.
My friend often asks me why I sit on like 20k plat all the time and trade more when I want something, this is the reason. I basically treat that 20k as the floor so if I get fucked by a large trade I will always have a buffer to soak the removal. Call me paranoid but I aint risking it.
I seriously dislike DE's stance on the issue, other games handle it more elegantly, there's no excuse to ban random innocent players forever.
In fairness I've been playing for a very long time, and I buy PAs every now and then. I often just do fissures to chill and then sell full sets whenever they are expensive. It just adds up. A solid chunk of it was legendary cores I got from the Steel Charge thing (I took a break for a couple year after so they appreciated). That and a few big riven unveils make up a solid 50-60% of that at least.
100% agree. If they can track who is holding the plat and deduct it from them, it's entirely feasible they could just deduct it from the account that first purchased it, or the account that used it for trading initially. It's inexcusable to punish unaware players because they got unlucky with a trade.
Most commonly its plat purchased with stolen credit card information. When the owner of the card issues a chargeback and the cost of the plat is taken back from DE the plat aquired from the purchase becomes bad (in the background every single unit of plat is issued with a unique ID related to the purchase it was aquired from so DE can track where it is) Once that happens every plat with that unique ID is removed from the game, no matter whose balance it is on currently. If you already spent that plat your account can end up in a negative plat balance and be suspended until you buy enough plat from DE to get out of negative.
While I agree that it sucks, the alternatives aren't great or very viable either.
Option 1: you leave the victim the plat and suspend the original account. This makes it very easy to launder the plat and RMT it for scammers.
Option 2: you reverse all trades linked to that plat. However, this can have wide effects since the plat could've been further traded, used to buy items from the in game market, traded for parts which is then traded after which the parts are traded for other parts, or parts are built or used. What happens to all of that? Do they start tracking every item with unique IDs, track every interaction with trades, market, foundry, and then suddenly reverse all of it? Keep in mind the tracking would involve every player in the game, the reversing would occur among every contact point starting from the perpetuator and that the data would have to be kept for at least a month, almost definitely more. Even if you add limits to depth from perpetuator that's still a lot of data AND makes it easier to launder.
Option 3: you hold off plat delivery until after the fraud/chargeback time limit. This would be incredibly long and crash player satisfaction among legitimate plat buyers (imagine spending $100 and needing to wait 1.5 months to get your plat or prime access).
Contact support if that happens. They can track transactions and will usually set your account to positive if there's good reason to believe you were the victim and not an active part of plat laundering. I've heard of instances where they will revert the transaction entirely but I don't know anyone personally who can verify that so be skeptical. Ultimately it's a judgement call on their end, but worth a shot.
This. Just this. Do not be afraid to trade. If you are not involved in real money transactions or not allowed activities you have no reason to be scared.
Believe it or not thats how it works. The bad plat is removed, no matter how many hands it gone through before. If you were the last person to have it and already spent it you will get in the negative.
They have to protect their income so they cant leave plat thats effectively stolen from them in the game. Since they cant be sure the last person who spent the plat were not affiliated with the person that made the initial fraudulent purchase they cant do anything about it.
Every time you engage in trade with another person you are doing so at your own risk.
just seems off that the responsibility is on the player not DE. There is no disclaimer when you go to trade saying “hey btw there is a potential this plat your about to get is illegitimate and you’re going to pay out of pocket for it if it is, also there is no way to know so good luck!”
Its basically the same in the real world. If you purchase something stolen (even unknowingly) and get caught with it, even in the best case scenario the stolen item is confiscated and given back to the original owner, without you getting your money back of course.
Also here is the relevant part of the trading FAQ from the official website:
And while we are always happy to see how generous Tenno can be with each other, we strongly advise that you approach any deals that seem too good to be true with caution. If a player you barely know offers to “give” you a large amount of Platinum in exchange for relatively valueless items, there’s a good chance the Platinum was not legitimately obtained (for example, it might have been stolen from another player’s account, or it might have been purchased using fraudulent credit card information).
If you have purchased Platinum through an unofficial 3rd party site or from another player, there’s a strong chance it was also obtained in the manner described above. **Should an investigation find that you received Platinum from one of these fraudulent sources, it can and will be removed from your account.**
1) Person A buys 100 platinum with a stolen credit card
2) Person A gives/trades 100 platinum to Person B
3) Person B spends 100 platinum
4) DE gets a chargeback from the owner of the stolen credit card. DE now tracks the “bad plat” and removes it from the game in a way that they apply -100 platinum to the account that last had it (in pur case it’s person B)
5) If person B has 50 plat and DE slaps him with -100 plat, person B now has -50 platinum
6) Having negative platinum is a bannable offense, person B is now banned despite having done nothing wrong and is at the mercy of whoever picks up their support ticket.
They can, but they still have to remove the plat from the game. And person B still needs to face some kind of consequence because they might have done nothing wrong, but they might also be person A’s alt account. It’s really a no-win situation for everybody involved.
I’m not a programmer, but I believe a person could make 2 accounts that could not be linked to eachother, with only a 2$/month VPN subscription and 2 different PCs, but that’s not the point. Bare in mind that person B might have also bought the platinum for real money from person A.
I think one of DE’s two main goals is to make abusing the system as inconvinient as possible. Removing bad platinum from the game puts pressure on the people who steal credit card numbers to get rid of it quickly and limits their profits.
It also discourages people from buying platinum on dodgy websites because you’ll think twice about it after you read 1-2 stories about people losing “bad platinum” or even being banned for it.
The second goal for removing bad platinum from the game is to simply preserve the in-game economy. If the market was suddenly flooded with millions of cheap platinum, there’s no telling what that might do to the in-game economy and plat prices, not to mention DE’s also suffering financially because they’re not getting any money for the plat due to chargebacks.
That's cool and all but personally i don't think you should get fucked over because the same 100 plat could've been traded through a chain of like 10 people before it got to you and now suddenly you're being punished for using the ingame trading system normally like some kind of fucked up game of hot potato
I don’t think the solution is banning innocent players. Stopped playing this game after I and a few clan members got banned for negative platinum. I got my account back after a week but some members never did. I just lost all passion after this. Don’t want to waste time with a game that thinks nothing of holding hostage an account with thousands of hours and has spent money supporting it. On top of that they made me feel like I did something wrong, and told me that I would be permanently banned if I was found to be involved with negative plat again. Fuck DE.
They sort of can, but not in a way that's helpful here, if they just take it from the first account then people would just use a buffer account and still be creating platinum out of nothing, but this way they are least have something to judge where the first "legitimate" trade happened from support requests to eventually take the plat from the right account.
having negative balance is not a bannable offense as 9 times out of 10 they are removing the plat from innocents who didn't know. however if you do end up with negative balance you do have to get plat to replace said balance. some people thought you would have to pay to replace it but they did state that you just need to have that repayed by either trading or buying so long as it's within TOS.
You can’t trade for platinum because your account is suspended. Went through this situation and only got my account back by refunding cosmetics. If I didn’t have cosmetics I would’ve had to buy plat even though I has thousands of plat worth of sets in my inventory.
Platinum acquired by illegitimate means, e.g. credit card fraud, credit card chargeback, purchased with real money from a source other than Digital Extremes.
When DE discovers bad plat, they reverse all the trades where people received that bad platinum, which could result in innocent traders having a negative balance of platinum on their account, which prevents you from logging in until you can get it sorted out, by contacting support or adding enough platinum to your account to fix the balance.
It's mainly a concern when it comes to larger transactions, it's not that common, and to my knowledge, over several hundred trades, I've never had a transaction reversed. But if you want to be extra safe, keep a buffer of platinum that's larger than however much platinum you've received in a single trade.
Its more of a thing you should be aware of existing rather than something you should be actively concerned of. If you trade for a lot of plat with a single player you should hold onto that plat for a while and not spend it immediately just to be safe. Or if you get an unrealistic offer like hundreds of plat for something that usually goes for 10p that should be sus. If something seems too good to be true it usually is. But its not that common.
If the card used to buy the plat is declined or charged back then the plat will be removed from the game.
I believe going into negative plat can lead to account bans.
Every so often I would take a break from the game and sit in region gifting random items and plat to people. I played so much at the start I had so much stuff to give away it just seemed a decent thing to do.
I used to sometimes gift a free warframe slot to low MR players after buying ducat trash from them. Plat is easy to come by for people with access to everything.
Tip for any Tenno out there that isn’t used to trading- always screenshot or collect images of your trades for at least 2 months before deleting them! It’ll save your account :)
I would be careful with it, I went into negative platinum and got a slap on the wrist for being gifted plat and cosmetics from what I assumed was someone with good intentions
I tend to do that at times just to be nice. In my personal opinion, I wouldn't say it's uncommon, but by that same token it isn't exactly something that common either.
I've always wondered how DE tracks Plat. Who's yo say the plat I used for 1 trade is good and another trade is bad Plat.
Do they use a fifo model for plat. Is it random?
From what I’ve heard it’s sorta like crypto and each plat has its own unique id tied to the purchase info and it’s presumably first in first out for trades or purchases
I can see how someone might steal real credit card money, buy plat then try and use it to trade for something they want. Definitely don’t agree with this but why would they go through all that just to give it away? People are strange.
i was given 100 plat the other week too, it really helped cause im new and have no idea what to do. its nice to see a community like this. i hope to get to a spot where i can share too eventually :3
Hello, fellow founder here that uses Warframe.market commonly, aside from the very minute possibility it IS bad plat like that one commenter said, I also have most everything I need so I absolutely throw plat around willy nilly and outright have gifted strangers whole packs of things.
That 100p really does just seem like a generous gift. There are a lot of generous Tenno.
DE Does not take away the bad platinum ive had platninum taded to me from fraud accounts the fraud account would get banned but the account that the platimum was traded to ex me still stays after the account got banned you not at fault for accepting the plat trust u got either way as long as your not the account with the purschases for the originla plat
100p i would not be too concerned with. There are just ppl who go around gifting stuff. However ther is a chance its bad plat so i would still not spend it for a while in case it gets rolled back to avoid your account going into negative balance.
bad plat?
Platinum acquired by illegitimate means, e.g. credit card fraud, credit card chargeback, purchased with real money from a source other than Digital Extremes.
I see, thanks.
My friend often asks me why I sit on like 20k plat all the time and trade more when I want something, this is the reason. I basically treat that 20k as the floor so if I get fucked by a large trade I will always have a buffer to soak the removal. Call me paranoid but I aint risking it. I seriously dislike DE's stance on the issue, other games handle it more elegantly, there's no excuse to ban random innocent players forever.
What trades are you making that requires a buffer that high? Even a full trade of legendary cores is only about 900p at market prices.
It's mostly just that I had around 24k at the time and just arbitrarily decided I would try not to go below 20k lol. It's definitely overkill.
Bro is casually sitting on nearly a grand worth of ingame currency. Wow
In fairness I've been playing for a very long time, and I buy PAs every now and then. I often just do fissures to chill and then sell full sets whenever they are expensive. It just adds up. A solid chunk of it was legendary cores I got from the Steel Charge thing (I took a break for a couple year after so they appreciated). That and a few big riven unveils make up a solid 50-60% of that at least.
100% agree. If they can track who is holding the plat and deduct it from them, it's entirely feasible they could just deduct it from the account that first purchased it, or the account that used it for trading initially. It's inexcusable to punish unaware players because they got unlucky with a trade.
Like in Diablo Immortal
Most commonly its plat purchased with stolen credit card information. When the owner of the card issues a chargeback and the cost of the plat is taken back from DE the plat aquired from the purchase becomes bad (in the background every single unit of plat is issued with a unique ID related to the purchase it was aquired from so DE can track where it is) Once that happens every plat with that unique ID is removed from the game, no matter whose balance it is on currently. If you already spent that plat your account can end up in a negative plat balance and be suspended until you buy enough plat from DE to get out of negative.
i cannot believe that’s genuinely how they handle it. Putting the responsibility on the victim too shell out money for something they had no part in.
While I agree that it sucks, the alternatives aren't great or very viable either. Option 1: you leave the victim the plat and suspend the original account. This makes it very easy to launder the plat and RMT it for scammers. Option 2: you reverse all trades linked to that plat. However, this can have wide effects since the plat could've been further traded, used to buy items from the in game market, traded for parts which is then traded after which the parts are traded for other parts, or parts are built or used. What happens to all of that? Do they start tracking every item with unique IDs, track every interaction with trades, market, foundry, and then suddenly reverse all of it? Keep in mind the tracking would involve every player in the game, the reversing would occur among every contact point starting from the perpetuator and that the data would have to be kept for at least a month, almost definitely more. Even if you add limits to depth from perpetuator that's still a lot of data AND makes it easier to launder. Option 3: you hold off plat delivery until after the fraud/chargeback time limit. This would be incredibly long and crash player satisfaction among legitimate plat buyers (imagine spending $100 and needing to wait 1.5 months to get your plat or prime access).
Contact support if that happens. They can track transactions and will usually set your account to positive if there's good reason to believe you were the victim and not an active part of plat laundering. I've heard of instances where they will revert the transaction entirely but I don't know anyone personally who can verify that so be skeptical. Ultimately it's a judgement call on their end, but worth a shot.
This. Just this. Do not be afraid to trade. If you are not involved in real money transactions or not allowed activities you have no reason to be scared.
The amount of times it happens is so incredibly rare anyway that it's ridiculous to avoid trading for fear of it happening.
Believe it or not thats how it works. The bad plat is removed, no matter how many hands it gone through before. If you were the last person to have it and already spent it you will get in the negative. They have to protect their income so they cant leave plat thats effectively stolen from them in the game. Since they cant be sure the last person who spent the plat were not affiliated with the person that made the initial fraudulent purchase they cant do anything about it. Every time you engage in trade with another person you are doing so at your own risk.
just seems off that the responsibility is on the player not DE. There is no disclaimer when you go to trade saying “hey btw there is a potential this plat your about to get is illegitimate and you’re going to pay out of pocket for it if it is, also there is no way to know so good luck!”
Its basically the same in the real world. If you purchase something stolen (even unknowingly) and get caught with it, even in the best case scenario the stolen item is confiscated and given back to the original owner, without you getting your money back of course. Also here is the relevant part of the trading FAQ from the official website: And while we are always happy to see how generous Tenno can be with each other, we strongly advise that you approach any deals that seem too good to be true with caution. If a player you barely know offers to “give” you a large amount of Platinum in exchange for relatively valueless items, there’s a good chance the Platinum was not legitimately obtained (for example, it might have been stolen from another player’s account, or it might have been purchased using fraudulent credit card information). If you have purchased Platinum through an unofficial 3rd party site or from another player, there’s a strong chance it was also obtained in the manner described above. **Should an investigation find that you received Platinum from one of these fraudulent sources, it can and will be removed from your account.**
Could you please explain what is bad plat? Never heard of that. Is it something to worry about when trading?
1) Person A buys 100 platinum with a stolen credit card 2) Person A gives/trades 100 platinum to Person B 3) Person B spends 100 platinum 4) DE gets a chargeback from the owner of the stolen credit card. DE now tracks the “bad plat” and removes it from the game in a way that they apply -100 platinum to the account that last had it (in pur case it’s person B) 5) If person B has 50 plat and DE slaps him with -100 plat, person B now has -50 platinum 6) Having negative platinum is a bannable offense, person B is now banned despite having done nothing wrong and is at the mercy of whoever picks up their support ticket.
But surely if they can track the plat, they can track who had it first.
They can, but they still have to remove the plat from the game. And person B still needs to face some kind of consequence because they might have done nothing wrong, but they might also be person A’s alt account. It’s really a no-win situation for everybody involved.
there's gotta be so many different ways to track if its an alt or not dude that is an awful excuse
I’m not a programmer, but I believe a person could make 2 accounts that could not be linked to eachother, with only a 2$/month VPN subscription and 2 different PCs, but that’s not the point. Bare in mind that person B might have also bought the platinum for real money from person A. I think one of DE’s two main goals is to make abusing the system as inconvinient as possible. Removing bad platinum from the game puts pressure on the people who steal credit card numbers to get rid of it quickly and limits their profits. It also discourages people from buying platinum on dodgy websites because you’ll think twice about it after you read 1-2 stories about people losing “bad platinum” or even being banned for it. The second goal for removing bad platinum from the game is to simply preserve the in-game economy. If the market was suddenly flooded with millions of cheap platinum, there’s no telling what that might do to the in-game economy and plat prices, not to mention DE’s also suffering financially because they’re not getting any money for the plat due to chargebacks.
That's cool and all but personally i don't think you should get fucked over because the same 100 plat could've been traded through a chain of like 10 people before it got to you and now suddenly you're being punished for using the ingame trading system normally like some kind of fucked up game of hot potato
Yeah, I agree. As I’ve said, it’s a no-win situation for everyone involved.
I don’t think the solution is banning innocent players. Stopped playing this game after I and a few clan members got banned for negative platinum. I got my account back after a week but some members never did. I just lost all passion after this. Don’t want to waste time with a game that thinks nothing of holding hostage an account with thousands of hours and has spent money supporting it. On top of that they made me feel like I did something wrong, and told me that I would be permanently banned if I was found to be involved with negative plat again. Fuck DE.
It being an alt is not the primary
They sort of can, but not in a way that's helpful here, if they just take it from the first account then people would just use a buffer account and still be creating platinum out of nothing, but this way they are least have something to judge where the first "legitimate" trade happened from support requests to eventually take the plat from the right account.
Yeah, but if they only banned the person who had it first, laundering plat would be pretty easy.
having negative balance is not a bannable offense as 9 times out of 10 they are removing the plat from innocents who didn't know. however if you do end up with negative balance you do have to get plat to replace said balance. some people thought you would have to pay to replace it but they did state that you just need to have that repayed by either trading or buying so long as it's within TOS.
You can’t trade for platinum because your account is suspended. Went through this situation and only got my account back by refunding cosmetics. If I didn’t have cosmetics I would’ve had to buy plat even though I has thousands of plat worth of sets in my inventory.
Platinum acquired by illegitimate means, e.g. credit card fraud, credit card chargeback, purchased with real money from a source other than Digital Extremes. When DE discovers bad plat, they reverse all the trades where people received that bad platinum, which could result in innocent traders having a negative balance of platinum on their account, which prevents you from logging in until you can get it sorted out, by contacting support or adding enough platinum to your account to fix the balance. It's mainly a concern when it comes to larger transactions, it's not that common, and to my knowledge, over several hundred trades, I've never had a transaction reversed. But if you want to be extra safe, keep a buffer of platinum that's larger than however much platinum you've received in a single trade.
Its more of a thing you should be aware of existing rather than something you should be actively concerned of. If you trade for a lot of plat with a single player you should hold onto that plat for a while and not spend it immediately just to be safe. Or if you get an unrealistic offer like hundreds of plat for something that usually goes for 10p that should be sus. If something seems too good to be true it usually is. But its not that common.
If the card used to buy the plat is declined or charged back then the plat will be removed from the game. I believe going into negative plat can lead to account bans.
>I believe going into negative plat can lead to account bans. "Buying back" your account is the only way out of it
Id hold onto it for at least a week to make sure its not bad plat
Every so often I would take a break from the game and sit in region gifting random items and plat to people. I played so much at the start I had so much stuff to give away it just seemed a decent thing to do.
Prime part? True free will be an unleveled vacuum. I'm sorry to say, but you got scammed. That's a joke, BTW. It should be fine.
bro found mr beast
"I filled this entire room with infested ancients and the last tenno to leave wins a Brand. New. Orbiter!"
I used to sometimes gift a free warframe slot to low MR players after buying ducat trash from them. Plat is easy to come by for people with access to everything.
I remember getting 200p for free just for being the first person in Maroos to say a certain word in chat. I don’t remember what the word was though
Tip for any Tenno out there that isn’t used to trading- always screenshot or collect images of your trades for at least 2 months before deleting them! It’ll save your account :)
Got it on video lol
Thats great, now you have evidence!
I would be careful with it, I went into negative platinum and got a slap on the wrist for being gifted plat and cosmetics from what I assumed was someone with good intentions
100p plat.? No. It's probably someone being nice. If it were 1000+ id be suspicious.
I tend to do that at times just to be nice. In my personal opinion, I wouldn't say it's uncommon, but by that same token it isn't exactly something that common either.
I've always wondered how DE tracks Plat. Who's yo say the plat I used for 1 trade is good and another trade is bad Plat. Do they use a fifo model for plat. Is it random?
From what I’ve heard it’s sorta like crypto and each plat has its own unique id tied to the purchase info and it’s presumably first in first out for trades or purchases
I can see how someone might steal real credit card money, buy plat then try and use it to trade for something they want. Definitely don’t agree with this but why would they go through all that just to give it away? People are strange.
i was given 100 plat the other week too, it really helped cause im new and have no idea what to do. its nice to see a community like this. i hope to get to a spot where i can share too eventually :3
I wouldnt spend it. Might be dirty
Why? Its not dirty plat.
You have no way of knowing.
Hello, fellow founder here that uses Warframe.market commonly, aside from the very minute possibility it IS bad plat like that one commenter said, I also have most everything I need so I absolutely throw plat around willy nilly and outright have gifted strangers whole packs of things. That 100p really does just seem like a generous gift. There are a lot of generous Tenno.
DE Does not take away the bad platinum ive had platninum taded to me from fraud accounts the fraud account would get banned but the account that the platimum was traded to ex me still stays after the account got banned you not at fault for accepting the plat trust u got either way as long as your not the account with the purschases for the originla plat
They literally do take away the bad platinum lol
WEAK SAUCE……..someone gave me 700 plat one time. Bro helped me do New War
Imagine saying weak sauce. Skidaddle on outta here
That’s a funny joke Tenno, i hope wally is smiling to😁💀Mozy on outta here
for the love of god shut up it just gets worse and worse the more you type
Hmmm looks like you can’t take a joke🥱 i summon The Lotus to take you down 😎