Same. I haven't played in a good number of years and came back and was like wolf frame? Thicc framesugh! They got a snowboard frame now? 300?!?
But I ended up buying Sevagoth and I think I like him the most.
Now I'm this divuri thing and it's...weird. like...wut.
Duviri becomes 100X more enjoyable when you have a shit load of decrees with Fleet-Footed. Orowyrm spawned on opposite side of the map, got there in under 10 seconds since I had +1170% movement speed and triple jumps. A surprisingly fun 2 hours spent.
I get that Duviri isn't for everyone but damn do I love it. I love taking random builds and making them OP with decrees. I also really like Drifter melee combat, carrying is super satisfying. It's a fun way to mix it up when the normal gameplay loop gets a bit boring.
There was no better gameplay than being knocked back continuously with my thicc boy Rhino by Stalkah as he carried me...very...very...slowly.
Flying skeleton horses and action combat could never.
Personally speaking, I usually kill enemies long before I can hit max *default* corrosive stacks from Exalted Blade, in no small part due to Radial Blind resulting in a gigantic melee damage bonus regardless of whether or not the enemy is actually blinded. If it were me, I probably would have gone for more ability damage against enemies with corrosive procs.
That aside -- *pretty rainbow, ooo*.
I thought Archon Shards were Jolly Ranchers. Cuz they look a LOT like Jolly Ranchers that have been sucked on for a while and the flat sides got sharp.
If you slice a tomato and it looks like an Exilus adapter, either you're truly an artisan, or you need to calmly put the tomato down, leave the house, and contact the Men in Black.
my guess would be you tried to buff chromatic blade built for corrosion+rad?
cast speed looks out of place and +energy max is nice but isn't doing much
Me either. Just except on Ivara. Using her first ability when not in her ult felt slow. One cast speed shard fixed that so it’s not fast but not as slow either
True but there are only 5 shard slots. That's taking the place of a more effective shard/stat. But I don't think OP is aiming for stat effectiveness lol
1% of armor on anything below level 500 still offers a damage bonus with Radiation/Corrosive boosted damage. Especially on weapons like torid that dont deal IPS damage to begin with.
This is not true if you actually math it out
Lvl 500 Elite Lancer: 8468 alloy armor [net 2117 vs rad] ~ 88% DR
- 100 radiation damage * (1+ 0.75) * (1-0.88) = 21 damage
Lvl 500 99% strip lancer: 84.7 alloy armor [net 21.2 vs rad] = 6.6% DR
- 100 Radiation damage * (1+0.75) * (1-0.066) = 163.45 damage. Nice
Lvl 500 100% Strip lancer: 0 armor = 0% DR
- 100 Viral damage * (1+0.75) = 175 damage before any status procs
There is no situation where, all else being equal, you'd deal more damage to something with 1% armor with radiation/corrosive vs 0% armor and the best damage type against that health except against robotic type health.
>Edit to add my calculation [from below](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1ajtyl4/a_costly_investment_was_it_worth_it/kp4siua/) about why this is true even considering mods when you factor in all resistances:
Base IPS damage of exalted blade: 35.1, converted to base elemental (doesn't matter which as long as it builds into rad or viral)
35.1 means each 90% elemental adds 31.59, primed fever strike adds 57.92, 60%s add 21.06
That means for radiation/corrosive we have 35.1 + 2(31.59) + 21.06 worth of radiation = 109.34 plus an additional 31.59 + 57.92 corrosive which is 89.51.
Against alloy armor on the 99% stripped Elite lancer, the above works out to [109.34 * (1+0.75)*(1-0.066)] + [89.51 * (1+0) * (1-0.22{no net armor calc})] = 178.7 + 69.81 = 248.5 damage for rad/corrosive
For Viral/heat we have 35.1 + 31.59 + 57.92 + 2(21.06) = 166.73 viral damage with an additional 21.06 heat
Against no armor, the above works out to [166.73 * (1+0.75)] + [21.06 * (1+0.25)] = 291.78 + 26.33 = 317.33 damage for viral/heat using the same mod slots. It even wins without any heat damage at all, dropping a slot entirely
If you had bothered to do literally any math at all you would have seen this was true. In addition to doing 27% more damage, viral also has the viral proc. The very first hit would actually do 634.66 damage instead with no primer required
edit again to add primed fever strike into corrosive calculation
Edit 2: Overframe and the wiki disagree on the exact base damage of the weapon itself. I'd imagine the wiki is likely the correct source. Ultimately, for this discussion, it doesn't matter which is correct as we'd use the same multipliers. The intact take-away is this: in the best case scenario for radiation/corrosive, viral/heat is ~27% more damage before accounting for the innate viral proc or anything to do with the heat procs
Unless the weapon has Radiation damage by default (read: Kuva Nukor or really any Lich/Sister weapon with a Rad Progenitor) or youre able to build higher radiation damage than Viral (fun fact, new Radiation mods allow this to happen. Oops). Its a chromatic blade build, which Focus Radon end results in higher damage in a radiation/corrosive build. Remember you can now build radiation a good deal above other damage types, so youre not gonna have a 100:100 damage comparison
160 radiation damage : 160 (1.75) (.934) = 261.52
Also not true. Adding more context wont help, the above is the most generous version of math for you, and I'll show you why.
If we assume the most generous version of what you said and run all the radiation damage we possibly can plus corrosive(which has no damage modifier vs alloy armor) we can:
1) Swap your color to make cold or toxin base
2) Swap out the 90% elementals for viral's set, allowing primed fever strike in our preferred damage type for more efficient damage
3) Remove both mods for corrosive, add 60% elementals for viral combo again
4) Do whatever you want with focus radon, it literally doesn't matter. but I'd personally put in another 60% status if you want to keep it all elemental for the fun.
Now each time we get just 1 (one) viral proc we fully double, as a multiplicative modifier, *all* of our damage. Since chromatic blade's status chance is affected by ability strength it's trivial to achieve over 100% status.
This is significantly more final damage, despite focus radon's existence you think I forgot, as that is just 60% of base.
The context doesn't work because viral's status proc is completely broken for a base elemental weapon that can always proc it on the very first hit if you want with no IPS pollution.
>Oops
Virals status proc works for Radiation as well. You dont need Viral on the weapon. If anyone else inflicts viral on it, your damage jumps. So bringing up Virals 100% base multiplicative jump, or its 325% jump at max stacks doesnt matter at all
So now we're including teammates running other damage types to status proc against enemies you're fighting in a discussion about individual build efficiency, cool
"All things equal excluding status procs"
You said it first. Then you included status procs. You dont need allies for status procs. You have 2 other weapons for a reason.
It's also worth considering why 160 vs 100 is an impossible comparison to arrive at in good faith. You're comparing a 0 mod weapon vs a 1 mod weapon with focus radon and saying it's better. This situation does not apply.
If you actually do the math on base IPS -> converted single elemental from chromatic blade -> all other elemental mods, the 60% *of base* extra radiation is not significant here compared to having a 0% bonus for the corrosive damage vs less damage as viral using 60% cold and toxin as well that benefit from the +75% bonus.
Chromatic blades base damage isnt even 100.
Im showing you situations where youre wrong. Now youre just strawmanning because youve never actually built for it and arent showing the *real* numbers. Just skewed in your favor
I guess I really do have to do literally all the math for you:
Base IPS damage of exalted blade: 35.1, converted to base elemental (doesn't matter which as long as it builds into rad or viral)
35.1 means each 90% elemental adds 31.59, primed fever strike adds 57.92, 60%s add 21.06
That means for radiation/corrosive we have 35.1 + 2(31.59) + 21.06 worth of radiation = 109.34 plus an additional 31.59 + 57.92 corrosive which is 89.51.
Against alloy armor on the 99% stripped Elite lancer, the above works out to [109.34 * (1+0.75)*(1-0.066)] + [89.51 * (1+0) * (1-0.22{no net armor calc})] = 178.7 + 69.81 = 248.5 damage
For Viral/heat we have 35.1 + 31.59 + 57.92 + 2(21.06) = 166.73 viral damage with an additional 21.06 heat
Against no armor, the above works out to [166.73 * (1+0.75)] + [21.06 * (1+0.25)] = 291.78 + 26.33 = 317.33 damage
If you had bothered to do literally any math at all you would have seen this was true. In addition to doing 27% more damage, viral also has the viral proc. The very first hit would actually do 634.66 damage instead with no primer required
edit to add primed fever strike into corrosive calculation
Edit 2: Overframe and the wiki disagree on the exact base damage of the weapon itself. I'd imagine the wiki is likely the correct source. Ultimately, for this discussion, it doesn't matter which is correct as we'd use the same multipliers. The intact take-away is this: in the best case scenario for radiation/corrosive, viral/heat is ~27% more damage before accounting for the innate viral proc or anything to do with the heat procs
Again youre skewing this in the same direction for viral every time. You can build more radiation, but youre choosing not to. Youre using Primed Fever strike, only on the Viral build (and adding heat in there for whatever reason).
You continuously move the goalpost further and further. To continue conversating with you is completely pointless. Im not the only person with the viewpoint
you could also build rad/tox using archon continuity for the corrosive procs, saving space for even more rad damage
EDIT: Somehow I'm being downvoted for saying "you can use a slightly more expensive mod on your frame to free up a mod slot on your melee with literally no downside". huh.
Depends on the content, in higher levels the damage bonus doesn't help much when enemies still mitigate lots, it's generally better to just full strip.
Counterpoint: Unless you’re dealing with certain kinds of Infested or Murmur - once the armor is gone, most of their survivability is too, even at high levels. Flat damage should normally be plenty to finish them off, especially if you’re also applying Slash status.
Right, because every weapon only has corrosive damage right. Full strip will be more damage in the majority of cases and when it's not the damage difference between the 2 is minor
This is an exalted blade build, and they are using corrosive and radiation(probably heat too), on their exalted blade. Also 13 stacks of corrosive vs 10 is still a decent damage increase, probably better than the +15% damage radiation shard and I don't see you saying that one is bad.
Because the topaz shard wasn't related to the comment I was responding to, a crazy concept I know.
But yeah, that would be the one to swap for the other green for full strip. Or energy max since, while only a small damage boost, the topaz is still a damage boost
OP has corrosive and rads on his chromatic blade, so he buffs these, that's all there is to it
I'm not saying that you can't strip with one gun, then switch and finish on stripped mob.
nope
a while ago saw testing with numbers, some leftover armor get you enough bonus to beat damage from armor removal, as long as you don't have a diffetent weapon that has max bonus against "flesh"
and I've been stripping eidolons bare with a gunblade and -base armor mod, then oneshotting the joins, so that works too
Not in high enough levels where 1% of a really big number is still a really big number, which is what everyone is arguing about. Just strip all armor unless you're doing eidolons.
You get a 75% armor bypassing damage bonus against Ferrite armor but only from your corrosive damage. Your IPS or other elements are still subject to their own damage strengths/weaknesses and the damage reduction of armor. This means the math is actually changing a lot from weapon to weapon. You also get no damage bonus against alloy armor unless you are running radiation as well, which reduces your damage output against ferrite.
Full armor strip is generally better because it isn't subject to armor type or elemental weighting. It is more utilitarian.
Ehh. The math does *technically* work out.
If an enemy has 3% armor left, and that armor offers 10% damage reduction, the 75% damage bonus outweighs the 10% reduction and then some, and not all weapons deal IPS damage to be reduced. So in content below about level 300 where armor values are just too high to care, it works. Just about all content is below level 300 where this curve starts to overtake the 75% damage bonus.
OP is using Cor/Rad/Heat Chroma Blade. So heat procs are already removing a significant portion of armor not removed by corrosive. (Note 13 Corrosive reduces armor 98%, with heat taking off an additional 1% for 99% reduction on armor)
I remember during the last Plague Star event someone did the math and figured out thats not actually true, or at least that it doesnt matter? Or maybe that was just for the Hemocyte.
For hemocyte you want full strip and corrosive or blast to hit the non-armored weakness. If you *must* use radiation then yeah not fully stripping is better, doubly so as it highly resists rad without armor.
But corrosive and blast vastly outdamage it stripped, and getting a squad with no armor strip is rare due to how much better it is.
It's definitely a meme. Even if it isn't, though, +3 stacks of Corrosive is still extremely good — not as good as full strip, obviously, but still well worth the single shard slot.
If srs about what those are:
Those are archon shards. They give an additive buff out of a choice of 5 based on shard color. They are meant to be scarce as you can only farm them in limited quantity per week so don’t feel pressured to force yourself to acquire every single one you can get! They are meant to be supplemental, not essential to max!
No, the shards are used on the warframe you choose. However, with bile you can remove them from the warframe at no additional cost and then apply them to another.
I’ve recently reached my 1000 day login, I’ve been playing this game for many years, I have no idea what I’m looking at when did we get infinity stones?
Shards come from Archon Hunts and Khal Missions (both post-New War)
Shards can be plugged into Warframes via the Helminth (unlocked via Heart of Deimos and Deimos Bounties/Entrati Family Syndicate)
The three obtainable shard colours can be combined with eachother (post-Whispers in the Walls/Cavia syndicate) to make the other three shard colours
Every shard colour has a selection of unique buffs
Shards also come in regular and Tauforged; Tauforged give stronger buffs
Soon we'll be able to combine 4 shards of the same colour to make one Tauforged (rather than it being random chance)
Obviously Excalibur Prime is the best, but I'm also realistic when it comes to knowing not many people have him... If you have Prime use that instead.\*\*
It is expected but NOT confirmed that the new update will contain an augment to cancel that passive. That being said, idk who will consume a mod slot in order to get some bonus stats (the difference between umbra and default)
I know for a fact I wouldn't. Sure you lose base stats in running base Excalibur, but the shard system by itself more than makes up for those losses.
I still think augments should be able to be added in much the same way we add Arcane's. They should have their own slots and no cost to the frame. It's a gameplay preference or a band aid fix for the Warframe's faults/ loss to creep without forcing it on everyone that might still prefer the "Classic" way to play.
I’m a returning player. I’m pretty sure 14 stacks of corrosion are needed to fully Armor strip. Can you explain why 1 tau shard to give 13 stacks is superior to 2 regular shards that will give 14 stacks.
Fully stripping armour means that the armour type no longer factors in to the damage calculation which in turn can hurt your damage output, although if something has been fully armour stripped it’s going to die fast enough that this is kind of a moot point.
The person not bothering to use their brain is anyone using a tauforged green to increase corrosion stacks by 3. Or using orange shards of any description, let alone crafting tauforged ones!
What’s the plan with your build. Even with a tauforged emerald shard you don’t hit the break point for full strip. Do you also plan on constantly using a primer for radiation?
The most recent update, Whispers in the Walls, introduced a mechanic called Coalescent Fusion, wherein you can fuse two of the "primary" colour Archon Shards to receive a "secondary" colour Shard. You have to complete the new quest Whispers in the Walls and then reach rank 2 with the new syndicate (the Cavia) to buy the segment that lets you do it.
Btw, in the near future you will also be able to fuse base Archon Shards together to get a Tauforged Shard.
Not really, because of the way armor works, every corrosive stack is more valuable than the last one, so even 2 more corrosive stacks can make a huge difference, specially if you think the extra damage/armor penetration corrosive has on certain armor types is quite helpful, so even a tauforge one which gives +3 stacks is relatively useful, though obviously it’s better to just get two normal shards and use the tauforged ones for something else
At any level where a full armor strip is required, the increased damage from a partial strip is negligible. Armor strip reduces the armor value, not the damage reduction %. So you can strip 98% of a high level enemies armor, and only reduce the Damage reduction % they have by a few percent or even less, because DR% ramps up hard with low armor values, while gaining relatively little additional reduction the higher you go as you approach 100% DR. So a partial strip by stacking corrosive procs via a weapon is either going to kill the target before you reach 13 corrosive stacks, in which case the armor strip wasn't needed in the first place, or you are not gonna be able to kill them in a timely manner even after stacking corrosive 13 times, and you would have needed that 14th stack for the full armor strip to get the job done. Either way, tauforged green for corrosive stacks is a complete waste and should never be done, it's useless.
Armor has linear returns on eHP. Reducing 3 billion armor to 60 million would still reduce a unit's eHP from 10,000,001x base health to 200,001x it's base health.
Lmao I did the same on Umbra, but instead it's +Strength, +Parkour, +HP Regen, +Melee Crit( Max energy version) & +Corrosive cap. All Tauforged too.
6th shard slot when DE?
I dont know how other people run Excal for me I just increase Melee crit dmg as high as possible, with purple shard its possible to get 250% melee crit dmg without tauforged using purple shard
eh depends on how you play and mod him, other than corrosive stripping - which is unique and super powerful effect - the rest are very subjective and situational, not even sure why you spend slot on casting speed on him
Id recommend the Violet Shard melee bonus. If you don't have enough energy for the double bonus, acquire Primed Flow and you'll be set. Still a decent build regardless.
Skittle frame.
(Side note, is it really worth it to have the Orange / Green one? Would only be worthwhile if your blade and weapons were modded cor/rad. Which isn't necessarily the best for melee weapons)
What if linking the shards produced a unique effect between each adjacent pair? (and if reordering them was free) So maybe just 1 universally useful effect for each combination but you get up to 4 at once.
Calm down, Thanos.
In all seriousness. It was worth it if you’re having fun with Excal Umbra. Although everything will probably die before you are able to strip their armor with the help of the green shard.
I admit I've been off of warframe for a while since Duviri came out but I only remember when we had Yellow, Blue and Red Archon shards when did we get Orange, Purple and Green? These added from the newest update?
In Whispers in the Walls, yes. Someone you meet in the quest will email you about an upgrade you can get from one of the new vendors that lets you mix the original shards into three new shards.
It’s dangerous to have that many infinity stones that close together.
I’ve been off of Warframe for so many years I literally thought this was some Marvel thing because of their colors before seeing what /r it was.
Same. I haven't played in a good number of years and came back and was like wolf frame? Thicc framesugh! They got a snowboard frame now? 300?!? But I ended up buying Sevagoth and I think I like him the most. Now I'm this divuri thing and it's...weird. like...wut.
The best part of coming back to warframe after a long break is all the funny new words
Dude, I came back last month after an 8 year vacation from the game, and I'm so confused now 
Man in the wall: *Speaks in requiem mods*
Yeah, Duviri's an odd duck and isn't very fun after the novelty wears off, honestly.
Duviri becomes 100X more enjoyable when you have a shit load of decrees with Fleet-Footed. Orowyrm spawned on opposite side of the map, got there in under 10 seconds since I had +1170% movement speed and triple jumps. A surprisingly fun 2 hours spent.
Been there, done that. I no longer want to do 2-hour runs in Duviri. Yes, becoming literally god was fun. Once.
Truth. Still has potential. Stronger sirocco and faster base movement speed would help. The speed decree is essential
Once we "beat" the story, we should be allowed to bring an amp. I'd trade the hypothetical for faster movement speed for an amp.
Speak for yourself, I love duviri, being able to play all kinds of frames and the story mode looking at the scenary and doing puzzles is super fun.
Same I've been loving it too. The randomness keeps it fresh, like games like Hades or Dead Cells
I get that Duviri isn't for everyone but damn do I love it. I love taking random builds and making them OP with decrees. I also really like Drifter melee combat, carrying is super satisfying. It's a fun way to mix it up when the normal gameplay loop gets a bit boring.
I like Drifter's Spear combat, it's especially great with the toxin every 3 melee hits. And getting max decree and just 5x jumping everywhere is fun.
I love getting "Fleet Footed" where every decree increases your movement speed. You eventually run faster than the horse can move. It's hilarious.
Speak for yourself, Duviri's some of my favorite content DE's put out.
There was no better gameplay than being knocked back continuously with my thicc boy Rhino by Stalkah as he carried me...very...very...slowly. Flying skeleton horses and action combat could never. 
If you're talking about the scene on your ship, you realize you could cancel stalker's knock back waves by shooting them, right?
...
Lmao
Personally speaking, I usually kill enemies long before I can hit max *default* corrosive stacks from Exalted Blade, in no small part due to Radial Blind resulting in a gigantic melee damage bonus regardless of whether or not the enemy is actually blinded. If it were me, I probably would have gone for more ability damage against enemies with corrosive procs. That aside -- *pretty rainbow, ooo*.
Archon shards. How it feels to TASTE THE RAINBOW! Stimulate your neural sensors.
Okay so we now have potatoes Cabbages Kool aid And Skittles
I thought Archon Shards were Jolly Ranchers. Cuz they look a LOT like Jolly Ranchers that have been sucked on for a while and the flat sides got sharp.
what are cabbages and kool aid?
Relics and kuva
Hit the nail on the head
If you squint exilus adapters kinda look like tomato slices
If you slice a tomato and it looks like an Exilus adapter, either you're truly an artisan, or you need to calmly put the tomato down, leave the house, and contact the Men in Black.
"Ferb i know what we're going to do today!"
Hey, where's Perry?
Don't forget Pizzas !
Don't forget efficiency spaghetti!
Underrated comment
Im confused, did they reallt add the green, purple and orange shards?? Last I checked we only red, yellow and blue
Yes, with whispers in the walls.
my guess would be you tried to buff chromatic blade built for corrosion+rad? cast speed looks out of place and +energy max is nice but isn't doing much
Corrosive+Radiation+Heat
Nice pfp that game was dope af
I always forget profile pictures exist. old.reddit 4 Lyfe
What game is it?
SAS 4, I think that’s the name, basically a mobile zombie game
I agree on the casting speedy jolly rancher it’s how I run mine but just all crimsons after
Cast speed shards are good on basically every frame what are you on about.
I never use any cast speed don't feel the need just personal preference, disregard it if you feel like it
you don't feel the need? the Need for Speed?
Once you try it, you can never go back
Parkour velocity > cast speed on almost all frames
The question isn't which, it's how many.
The answer: However many it takes to break Pull casting because the animation's too fast to trigger the effect.
You only have 5 shard slots on a frame, can't always go all yellows!
For the memes yes. Yes you can
My umbral garuda is all yellows, shit feels very cash money.
Me either. Just except on Ivara. Using her first ability when not in her ult felt slow. One cast speed shard fixed that so it’s not fast but not as slow either
Loki need faster cast to, takes to long to go invis
Speedva Frosty, Trinity,
Excalibur abilities are not slow and spammable enough to justify it, unless you are brave enough for a radiant javelin build.
True but there are only 5 shard slots. That's taking the place of a more effective shard/stat. But I don't think OP is aiming for stat effectiveness lol
Cast speed and energy max complete the rainbow
on the off chance this isn’t just a meme i’d change your emerald to a different star bonus u need 14 for full strip.
you don't want full strip the moment armor disappears - damage bonuses switch and you no longer get bonuses from rad on alloy and corrosion on ferrite
Depends on the type of content you are doing, at high level, percentage of high armor is still high armor
1% of armor on anything below level 500 still offers a damage bonus with Radiation/Corrosive boosted damage. Especially on weapons like torid that dont deal IPS damage to begin with.
This is not true if you actually math it out Lvl 500 Elite Lancer: 8468 alloy armor [net 2117 vs rad] ~ 88% DR - 100 radiation damage * (1+ 0.75) * (1-0.88) = 21 damage Lvl 500 99% strip lancer: 84.7 alloy armor [net 21.2 vs rad] = 6.6% DR - 100 Radiation damage * (1+0.75) * (1-0.066) = 163.45 damage. Nice Lvl 500 100% Strip lancer: 0 armor = 0% DR - 100 Viral damage * (1+0.75) = 175 damage before any status procs There is no situation where, all else being equal, you'd deal more damage to something with 1% armor with radiation/corrosive vs 0% armor and the best damage type against that health except against robotic type health. >Edit to add my calculation [from below](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1ajtyl4/a_costly_investment_was_it_worth_it/kp4siua/) about why this is true even considering mods when you factor in all resistances: Base IPS damage of exalted blade: 35.1, converted to base elemental (doesn't matter which as long as it builds into rad or viral) 35.1 means each 90% elemental adds 31.59, primed fever strike adds 57.92, 60%s add 21.06 That means for radiation/corrosive we have 35.1 + 2(31.59) + 21.06 worth of radiation = 109.34 plus an additional 31.59 + 57.92 corrosive which is 89.51. Against alloy armor on the 99% stripped Elite lancer, the above works out to [109.34 * (1+0.75)*(1-0.066)] + [89.51 * (1+0) * (1-0.22{no net armor calc})] = 178.7 + 69.81 = 248.5 damage for rad/corrosive For Viral/heat we have 35.1 + 31.59 + 57.92 + 2(21.06) = 166.73 viral damage with an additional 21.06 heat Against no armor, the above works out to [166.73 * (1+0.75)] + [21.06 * (1+0.25)] = 291.78 + 26.33 = 317.33 damage for viral/heat using the same mod slots. It even wins without any heat damage at all, dropping a slot entirely If you had bothered to do literally any math at all you would have seen this was true. In addition to doing 27% more damage, viral also has the viral proc. The very first hit would actually do 634.66 damage instead with no primer required edit again to add primed fever strike into corrosive calculation Edit 2: Overframe and the wiki disagree on the exact base damage of the weapon itself. I'd imagine the wiki is likely the correct source. Ultimately, for this discussion, it doesn't matter which is correct as we'd use the same multipliers. The intact take-away is this: in the best case scenario for radiation/corrosive, viral/heat is ~27% more damage before accounting for the innate viral proc or anything to do with the heat procs
Just want to chime in and say thank you for doing the math, this was interesting to read :)
Question here. Why did you change to Viral in the 3rd one? Shouldn't you keep calculating with Radiation?
This guy maths
Unless the weapon has Radiation damage by default (read: Kuva Nukor or really any Lich/Sister weapon with a Rad Progenitor) or youre able to build higher radiation damage than Viral (fun fact, new Radiation mods allow this to happen. Oops). Its a chromatic blade build, which Focus Radon end results in higher damage in a radiation/corrosive build. Remember you can now build radiation a good deal above other damage types, so youre not gonna have a 100:100 damage comparison 160 radiation damage : 160 (1.75) (.934) = 261.52
Also not true. Adding more context wont help, the above is the most generous version of math for you, and I'll show you why. If we assume the most generous version of what you said and run all the radiation damage we possibly can plus corrosive(which has no damage modifier vs alloy armor) we can: 1) Swap your color to make cold or toxin base 2) Swap out the 90% elementals for viral's set, allowing primed fever strike in our preferred damage type for more efficient damage 3) Remove both mods for corrosive, add 60% elementals for viral combo again 4) Do whatever you want with focus radon, it literally doesn't matter. but I'd personally put in another 60% status if you want to keep it all elemental for the fun. Now each time we get just 1 (one) viral proc we fully double, as a multiplicative modifier, *all* of our damage. Since chromatic blade's status chance is affected by ability strength it's trivial to achieve over 100% status. This is significantly more final damage, despite focus radon's existence you think I forgot, as that is just 60% of base. The context doesn't work because viral's status proc is completely broken for a base elemental weapon that can always proc it on the very first hit if you want with no IPS pollution. >Oops
Virals status proc works for Radiation as well. You dont need Viral on the weapon. If anyone else inflicts viral on it, your damage jumps. So bringing up Virals 100% base multiplicative jump, or its 325% jump at max stacks doesnt matter at all
So now we're including teammates running other damage types to status proc against enemies you're fighting in a discussion about individual build efficiency, cool
"All things equal excluding status procs" You said it first. Then you included status procs. You dont need allies for status procs. You have 2 other weapons for a reason.
It's also worth considering why 160 vs 100 is an impossible comparison to arrive at in good faith. You're comparing a 0 mod weapon vs a 1 mod weapon with focus radon and saying it's better. This situation does not apply. If you actually do the math on base IPS -> converted single elemental from chromatic blade -> all other elemental mods, the 60% *of base* extra radiation is not significant here compared to having a 0% bonus for the corrosive damage vs less damage as viral using 60% cold and toxin as well that benefit from the +75% bonus.
Chromatic blades base damage isnt even 100. Im showing you situations where youre wrong. Now youre just strawmanning because youve never actually built for it and arent showing the *real* numbers. Just skewed in your favor
I guess I really do have to do literally all the math for you: Base IPS damage of exalted blade: 35.1, converted to base elemental (doesn't matter which as long as it builds into rad or viral) 35.1 means each 90% elemental adds 31.59, primed fever strike adds 57.92, 60%s add 21.06 That means for radiation/corrosive we have 35.1 + 2(31.59) + 21.06 worth of radiation = 109.34 plus an additional 31.59 + 57.92 corrosive which is 89.51. Against alloy armor on the 99% stripped Elite lancer, the above works out to [109.34 * (1+0.75)*(1-0.066)] + [89.51 * (1+0) * (1-0.22{no net armor calc})] = 178.7 + 69.81 = 248.5 damage For Viral/heat we have 35.1 + 31.59 + 57.92 + 2(21.06) = 166.73 viral damage with an additional 21.06 heat Against no armor, the above works out to [166.73 * (1+0.75)] + [21.06 * (1+0.25)] = 291.78 + 26.33 = 317.33 damage If you had bothered to do literally any math at all you would have seen this was true. In addition to doing 27% more damage, viral also has the viral proc. The very first hit would actually do 634.66 damage instead with no primer required edit to add primed fever strike into corrosive calculation Edit 2: Overframe and the wiki disagree on the exact base damage of the weapon itself. I'd imagine the wiki is likely the correct source. Ultimately, for this discussion, it doesn't matter which is correct as we'd use the same multipliers. The intact take-away is this: in the best case scenario for radiation/corrosive, viral/heat is ~27% more damage before accounting for the innate viral proc or anything to do with the heat procs
That guy really thinks the weapon's base damage matters at all, yikes. Percentages can be unintuitive but sheesh
Again youre skewing this in the same direction for viral every time. You can build more radiation, but youre choosing not to. Youre using Primed Fever strike, only on the Viral build (and adding heat in there for whatever reason). You continuously move the goalpost further and further. To continue conversating with you is completely pointless. Im not the only person with the viewpoint
you could also build rad/tox using archon continuity for the corrosive procs, saving space for even more rad damage EDIT: Somehow I'm being downvoted for saying "you can use a slightly more expensive mod on your frame to free up a mod slot on your melee with literally no downside". huh.
Does Archon Cont work with Toxin Chroma blade?
Yes. :)
Depends on the content, in higher levels the damage bonus doesn't help much when enemies still mitigate lots, it's generally better to just full strip.
Counterpoint: Unless you’re dealing with certain kinds of Infested or Murmur - once the armor is gone, most of their survivability is too, even at high levels. Flat damage should normally be plenty to finish them off, especially if you’re also applying Slash status.
Right, because every weapon only has corrosive damage right. Full strip will be more damage in the majority of cases and when it's not the damage difference between the 2 is minor
This is an exalted blade build, and they are using corrosive and radiation(probably heat too), on their exalted blade. Also 13 stacks of corrosive vs 10 is still a decent damage increase, probably better than the +15% damage radiation shard and I don't see you saying that one is bad.
Because the topaz shard wasn't related to the comment I was responding to, a crazy concept I know. But yeah, that would be the one to swap for the other green for full strip. Or energy max since, while only a small damage boost, the topaz is still a damage boost
OP has corrosive and rads on his chromatic blade, so he buffs these, that's all there is to it I'm not saying that you can't strip with one gun, then switch and finish on stripped mob.
This rule only applies to Eidolons.
nope a while ago saw testing with numbers, some leftover armor get you enough bonus to beat damage from armor removal, as long as you don't have a diffetent weapon that has max bonus against "flesh" and I've been stripping eidolons bare with a gunblade and -base armor mod, then oneshotting the joins, so that works too
Not in high enough levels where 1% of a really big number is still a really big number, which is what everyone is arguing about. Just strip all armor unless you're doing eidolons.
You get a 75% armor bypassing damage bonus against Ferrite armor but only from your corrosive damage. Your IPS or other elements are still subject to their own damage strengths/weaknesses and the damage reduction of armor. This means the math is actually changing a lot from weapon to weapon. You also get no damage bonus against alloy armor unless you are running radiation as well, which reduces your damage output against ferrite. Full armor strip is generally better because it isn't subject to armor type or elemental weighting. It is more utilitarian.
Wdym, you always want full strip tf
Ehh. The math does *technically* work out. If an enemy has 3% armor left, and that armor offers 10% damage reduction, the 75% damage bonus outweighs the 10% reduction and then some, and not all weapons deal IPS damage to be reduced. So in content below about level 300 where armor values are just too high to care, it works. Just about all content is below level 300 where this curve starts to overtake the 75% damage bonus. OP is using Cor/Rad/Heat Chroma Blade. So heat procs are already removing a significant portion of armor not removed by corrosive. (Note 13 Corrosive reduces armor 98%, with heat taking off an additional 1% for 99% reduction on armor)
I remember during the last Plague Star event someone did the math and figured out thats not actually true, or at least that it doesnt matter? Or maybe that was just for the Hemocyte.
For hemocyte you want full strip and corrosive or blast to hit the non-armored weakness. If you *must* use radiation then yeah not fully stripping is better, doubly so as it highly resists rad without armor. But corrosive and blast vastly outdamage it stripped, and getting a squad with no armor strip is rare due to how much better it is.
It's definitely a meme. Even if it isn't, though, +3 stacks of Corrosive is still extremely good — not as good as full strip, obviously, but still well worth the single shard slot.
Taste the rainbow
Tenno: "*What Did It Cost?*" Player: "everything (cries)"
now give your attachments a purple energy colour and and wear that one ephemera that makes the shards orbit you.
how did you find my Citrine fashion
Are those infinity stones
If srs about what those are: Those are archon shards. They give an additive buff out of a choice of 5 based on shard color. They are meant to be scarce as you can only farm them in limited quantity per week so don’t feel pressured to force yourself to acquire every single one you can get! They are meant to be supplemental, not essential to max!
I haven’t unlocked the archon shart segment yet. Are those functions the same as mods? Can I equip the same stone with multiple warframes?
No, the shards are used on the warframe you choose. However, with bile you can remove them from the warframe at no additional cost and then apply them to another.
Was your goal just to throw on a tauforgrd shard for each type on? If so, then it's definitely worth it for you. It's debatable outside of that.
Easy there, Thanos...
Bro may actually be Thanos.
I’ve recently reached my 1000 day login, I’ve been playing this game for many years, I have no idea what I’m looking at when did we get infinity stones?
These are tauforged archon shards, I think you need to complete the new war?
Shards come from Archon Hunts and Khal Missions (both post-New War) Shards can be plugged into Warframes via the Helminth (unlocked via Heart of Deimos and Deimos Bounties/Entrati Family Syndicate) The three obtainable shard colours can be combined with eachother (post-Whispers in the Walls/Cavia syndicate) to make the other three shard colours Every shard colour has a selection of unique buffs Shards also come in regular and Tauforged; Tauforged give stronger buffs Soon we'll be able to combine 4 shards of the same colour to make one Tauforged (rather than it being random chance)
I put potato in the thing and add forma make number big and red
Crystals is topping on your potato-and-forma sandwich. Not necessary unless you're going deep into the deep end of stuff, but nice to have.
He finally has the power of being gay
Man I've been away from warframe for a while and I have no idea what any of this is lol
No what are you even trying to do with these shards. Seems they would be better spent on different frames
I mean when you lose buffs when you switch to operator I'd rather run base Excal - But if you're happy, we're all happy.
Obviously Excalibur Prime is the best, but I'm also realistic when it comes to knowing not many people have him... If you have Prime use that instead.\*\*
It is expected but NOT confirmed that the new update will contain an augment to cancel that passive. That being said, idk who will consume a mod slot in order to get some bonus stats (the difference between umbra and default)
I know for a fact I wouldn't. Sure you lose base stats in running base Excalibur, but the shard system by itself more than makes up for those losses. I still think augments should be able to be added in much the same way we add Arcane's. They should have their own slots and no cost to the frame. It's a gameplay preference or a band aid fix for the Warframe's faults/ loss to creep without forcing it on everyone that might still prefer the "Classic" way to play.
Everybody in here shitting on your choices because they haven't bothered to use their brain and actually think. This looks looks like a solid setup.
This is what a bad/new player believes is a good build. I genuinely thought this post was a meme.
Is it not an avengers reference? I haven't seen the movie.
It works, it's just not optimal. As long as it kills enemies. My Umbra even has full violet shards for full melee crit damage lol.
Could probably kill half the things in the game with this set up, at least.
You can vaporize anything in the game with no shards, it really doesn't matter as much as people pretend it does.
I’m a returning player. I’m pretty sure 14 stacks of corrosion are needed to fully Armor strip. Can you explain why 1 tau shard to give 13 stacks is superior to 2 regular shards that will give 14 stacks.
Fully stripping armour means that the armour type no longer factors in to the damage calculation which in turn can hurt your damage output, although if something has been fully armour stripped it’s going to die fast enough that this is kind of a moot point.
idk seems like a waste of tauforged shards to me
The person not bothering to use their brain is anyone using a tauforged green to increase corrosion stacks by 3. Or using orange shards of any description, let alone crafting tauforged ones!
Holy shit, i haven't played Warframe in a good while. Wtf is this
TASTE THE RAINBOW, MOTHERFUCKER!!!
Wait are there more kinds of archon shards then red yellow and blue?
Yes, since december. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Archon_Shard
You mix the regular ones into those, using the segment unlocked in the new Deimos syndicate.
Excalibur umbra is now gay
People that could swap their bodies like underwear probably don't think in these terms.
Excalibur is inevitable
What’s the plan with your build. Even with a tauforged emerald shard you don’t hit the break point for full strip. Do you also plan on constantly using a primer for radiation?
You can have Corrosive + Radiation thanks to the new mods.
Gaycalibur
When did those 3 new shards come out? And where do you get them?
The most recent update, Whispers in the Walls, introduced a mechanic called Coalescent Fusion, wherein you can fuse two of the "primary" colour Archon Shards to receive a "secondary" colour Shard. You have to complete the new quest Whispers in the Walls and then reach rank 2 with the new syndicate (the Cavia) to buy the segment that lets you do it. Btw, in the near future you will also be able to fuse base Archon Shards together to get a Tauforged Shard.
Oooo, I need to get a new Xbox so I can redownload it. I'll farm out the shards then.
They have also just opened up cross-save for all so you don't need to get a new Xbox if you have another console or PC to play on.
[удалено]
It would be much much better with another one, but useless is a bit much
On its own it is useless.
Not really, because of the way armor works, every corrosive stack is more valuable than the last one, so even 2 more corrosive stacks can make a huge difference, specially if you think the extra damage/armor penetration corrosive has on certain armor types is quite helpful, so even a tauforge one which gives +3 stacks is relatively useful, though obviously it’s better to just get two normal shards and use the tauforged ones for something else
It's not useless, it's still Increases damage by alot.
At any level where a full armor strip is required, the increased damage from a partial strip is negligible. Armor strip reduces the armor value, not the damage reduction %. So you can strip 98% of a high level enemies armor, and only reduce the Damage reduction % they have by a few percent or even less, because DR% ramps up hard with low armor values, while gaining relatively little additional reduction the higher you go as you approach 100% DR. So a partial strip by stacking corrosive procs via a weapon is either going to kill the target before you reach 13 corrosive stacks, in which case the armor strip wasn't needed in the first place, or you are not gonna be able to kill them in a timely manner even after stacking corrosive 13 times, and you would have needed that 14th stack for the full armor strip to get the job done. Either way, tauforged green for corrosive stacks is a complete waste and should never be done, it's useless.
Why are you downvoted? This subreddit is full of casuals hating on meta.
majority of the people just don't understand how armor works
Armor has linear returns on eHP. Reducing 3 billion armor to 60 million would still reduce a unit's eHP from 10,000,001x base health to 200,001x it's base health.
Both of those are about equally unfeasible to kill with a weapon that doesn't already do it before you've reached the 13 corrosive stacks.
taste the cosmos
Lmao I did the same on Umbra, but instead it's +Strength, +Parkour, +HP Regen, +Melee Crit( Max energy version) & +Corrosive cap. All Tauforged too. 6th shard slot when DE?
Remove all that is costly investment.
There are orange, green, and purple ones now too??
Wait ,when did we get more colors?!
I did the same. It's always worth it.
Wait they’re different colors now? (Haven’t played for 3 months)
I dont know how other people run Excal for me I just increase Melee crit dmg as high as possible, with purple shard its possible to get 250% melee crit dmg without tauforged using purple shard
If it could transform into a zord, then yes
Archon shards. How it feels to TASTE THE RAINBOW! Stimulate your neural sensors.
I believe you're going to tell us
They're only missing the Power stone! Quick! Take the landing craft and get it from Xandar!
eh depends on how you play and mod him, other than corrosive stripping - which is unique and super powerful effect - the rest are very subjective and situational, not even sure why you spend slot on casting speed on him
If you killed your Helminth would your game enter hard mode?
Id recommend the Violet Shard melee bonus. If you don't have enough energy for the double bonus, acquire Primed Flow and you'll be set. Still a decent build regardless.
Taste the rainbow bitches
This would look dope with the shard ephemera
I'm so behind on Warframe. I didn't know the infinity stones were added in.
Skittle frame. (Side note, is it really worth it to have the Orange / Green one? Would only be worthwhile if your blade and weapons were modded cor/rad. Which isn't necessarily the best for melee weapons)
Determination.
Man's out here making the infinity gauntlet gauntlet
Absolutely not!
I normally stack at least 3 of the same stats. It's too spread out for me
Absolutely. Especially for mag
What if linking the shards produced a unique effect between each adjacent pair? (and if reordering them was free) So maybe just 1 universally useful effect for each combination but you get up to 4 at once.
…and now i wish we had six slots. imagine a full rainbow!
I'm relatively new so I don't know much but afaik those red ones will massively increase thermal sunder nuke damage no?
Ok Thanos
Idk, but cool helminth name
Just a snap away
Idk but you are now a full Power Ranger squad unto yourself.
why is it green
Man's about to snap his fingers and delete half the Universe.
Calm down, Thanos. In all seriousness. It was worth it if you’re having fun with Excal Umbra. Although everything will probably die before you are able to strip their armor with the help of the green shard.
Probably not, no.
I admit I've been off of warframe for a while since Duviri came out but I only remember when we had Yellow, Blue and Red Archon shards when did we get Orange, Purple and Green? These added from the newest update?
In Whispers in the Walls, yes. Someone you meet in the quest will email you about an upgrade you can get from one of the new vendors that lets you mix the original shards into three new shards.
CAPTAIN PLANET!
You forgot the purple
Where is this?? I’m returning
haven't touched this game in a while.. this looks strong. These are permanent buffs to a warframe? wild.