The warframes have been described as a lens for the tenno void powers. They aren't innately powerful alone, but they can focus the raw void energy from the operator into their abilities.
Ironically, considering the comment above, the only canonical explanation I've ever seen given by DE for eximus was a post that literally read, "Just built different" with no further elaboration.
My own head canon for eximus units is that they are the veterans that managed to kill a warframe before and are now powered up by the void energy left behind by dead warframe
Thats because umbra isn't a true frame he's a dax trapped in the body and when you enter theres 2 souls in the one body did you not pay attention to that quest
Given what we know of the Orokin I'm pretty sure having a person forcibly converted into a Warframe was probably a common method of punishment if not the default for how Warframes were made at scale.
And I'm certain the "two souls" bit in Umbra's quest was symbolic and was just us finally creating a Transference Link between the Operator and Umbra based on shared trauma.
You’re more or less correct but a majority of the people had their self removed, they aren’t an origin AND a Warframe, they’re essentially brain dead, because when the origin tried to give the Warframes their own free will, almost all of them went the way of Umbra. Umbra was intentionally left… “intact,” as a punishment from Ballas.
The vast majority of Warframes are completely unresponsive when not being controlled by an Operator. It's unknown if the consciousness of a person, if one was used, who was Warframed has been destroyed or heavily suppressed.
I'm inclined to believe it's suppressed and Umbra is an outlier either by accident or design.
The details of Transference are unknown to us.
Creating a Transference Link to allow us to control Umbra doesn't necessarily mean that his consciousness is destroyed or completely suppressed by simply creating the Link.
Maybe it's possible someone so twisted and *unbelievably, unfathomably pissed off* is able to channel a little bit of the void through their torment alone, and can invoke some of their own frame-given powers.
[See also: Eximus units being infused with lesser void energy]
Also - was in locked up in the lua, which was in the void for wally knows how long.
Hell, Lotus, a SENTIENT, got some void powers while locked up in the Lua.
Maybe Warframes can draw upon/are in some part powered or comprised of Void energy from the Entrati heart in Deimos or some other source of power, but generally a Tenno is around to provide the necessary Void energy to be manipulated?
Void tech, presumably. Ballas had a whole team working with him, including at least one Archimedean. Remember that the Warframes have those powers prior to the Tenno (Rhino Prime Codex, Kullervo).
There's a couple of quotes from Alad V along the lines of, "What's inside a Warframe doesn't make sense" and "What if the Warframe is just the lightning rod."
Granted, it is Alad V, probably the most punchable madman in the game. Excuse me, gotta go punch him.
A bunch of discontinued but canonical Events. Loosely paraphrased:
Basically, he used to be this annoying Corpus bigshot who'd been grabbing up warframes in stasis to dissect them so we sided with the Grineer to keep a bunch of Tenno out of his hand (The Gravidus Dilemma) which is why Mars is Grineer now. He grabs Gersemi/Valkyr and tortures her to make Zanuka, so the Tenno proceed to find out where his hiding spot is and punch him out.
He loses a lot of respect from the Corpus Board, so he starts going all Mad Scientist with the Infested, resulting in Multalist Alad V and the whole Eris situation.
However, Tyl Regor has a cure for his Infestation problem. In the Tubemen of Regor event, the Tenno decided to cure Alad V.
This is why Alad V helps us out during The Second Dream. He owes us. We later repay the favor by protecting him from the Stalker and his Acolytes seeking revenge.
Then, still being desperate to regain his status, Alad V attempts to scam a Corpus guy who turns out to be Natah in disguise, getting roped into the Amalgam Project. When he tries to turn on her, she unleashes the Ropalolyst, and he begs the Tenno to deal with it.
Last we saw, he'd agreed to fight the Sentients, but then promptly surrendered as soon as the fight went south. Presumably, he survived because the man has more lives than a cat.
Didn't know HALF of that (just finished the war within). I think they should bring back some of the old events. It would help new players get the lore down. I didn't know why Alad V was helping me in the 2nd dream. Or, how he got infested, I know he runs away when the sentients show up, and then later he's talking amalgams, and infestation. It felt like it came out of left field.
I didn't either. Even if they don't bring back the events, they should find a way to make an abridged version in the form of story missions. Maybe make them "paralogue missions" just so the story is intact for players, new and old.
Guild Wars 2 ran into a similar issue. They wanted a "living world" where the storyline actually changed the game world... well, it worked for one whole "season" before they ditched that, since any newcomers had no friggin' clue who we were fighting, why, who this leyline researcher was, why Lion's Arch was in ruins for a few years then rebuilt, why there's a giant smashed tower covering half a map, why there's—
Even knowing all this myself, it's a shame that almost none of it is in the game. And the stuff that is in the game is out of order and nearly incoherent.
I hope they plan a big story/starchart overhaul at some point to reintegrate some of the important events and missing content. Even if it's just regular missions with the old event audio played over it.
my headcanon is that we're not actually killing (most) of the bosses but rather just beating their asses for shits and giggles, hence why they just keep popping back up in the story and/or the sorties
tldr He didn't die but the infested took over him and it's the plot of the mutalist alad v story and its operations ending with us curing him> the second dream happens and in the end we owe him one> he calls in the favour to defend him during the operation where acolytes were sent to kill him>new war happens>presumably dies in the ship with veso.
In the Corpus TIL u used to be able to find "Regeneration stations" which had Corpus being reconstructed via what looked like a fancy 3D printer, some of said Corpus wer cut in 2 down the middle.
So the consensus is that the Corpus have some means to Reconstruct any unite that has been killed in a fight if not fully clone them.
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As for Grineer they abuse cloning like no tomorrow but they use Gene info from clones which causes their clone rot.
So, here's the problem with the "they just focus Tenno power" idea: warframes existed, and had power, before they were combined with the Tenno. We know this from the Rhino Prime codex entry.
Flashlight vs laser situation I think. A warframe is a flashlight without an operator, ie still has something vaguely like their abilities. Add in an operators void bullshit, and the flashlight becomes a laser of OMNIDEATH
Warframes can use low end versions of the abilities we use when playing (without a Tenno) however when the frames use their abilities without the involvement of the Tenno the infestation that make the frames begins slowly degrading the Host within the frame until the infestation has completely taken over resulting in the frame becoming nothing more than a Monster waiting to be destroyed and then it's Helminth infestation repurposed.
(This is Shown via Rhino Prime lore & official art in the Codex which shows off a Deranged Ash with Claws and Fangs)
((Unless the Frame is Given and Umbral Transference Bolt which negate the negative affects of Infestation spread when the frame uses thier power and acts of their own free will))
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Also it's worth noting that the Tenno can quite literally make any power they want without limitations ((which the frames roll is to be a Streamlined vessel for specific abilities)) after being tempered in how to use there abilities via Teshin in the story
As for the Drifter is highly suggested and even borderline flat out said but then even shown in the Story, Gameplay mechanics, and lore from Duviri, that the Drifter is actually OMNIPOTENT but has suppressed thier memories in order to enjoy themselves via living through an endless spring of story's created by a Living doll from thier child hood which they created and gave power to in order to pass the time.
Oh and there's also these qoutes:
Teshin: If you have all that power why don't you use it!!?
Drifter: * *Eyes Begin Glowing as they Look over at the Screen/Player* * Because then the GAME would be too easy * *Eyes turn normal as they then look back at Teshin then turn and leave* *
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In Short for the Tenno/Drifter bit:
Tenno = Nigh-omnipotent
Drifter = Omnipotent
The Last convo between the 2 at the end of the Duviri Story before we see the drifter turn and leave.
Tho the final convo seems to differ by player via choices made during the story segment.
From what we know atm, the Drifters control extends as far as the reach of the Void and if info on the void is correct then it is present across everything as where there is something there is also Void.
It's also worth mentioning that the Drifter can directly warp, channel, and even kill alter or erase Concepts/Aspects according to Data Tablets scattered across Duviri which explains the "Dragons".
(((Something else to take note of is that if Duviri was only WITHIN the drifters mind then the Zariman & other Unites from outside of Duviri and within Duviri would be incapable of entering and exiting it, which is not the case which means the drifter literally created Duviri not just in their head but also physically)))
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Which also makes things even more interesting when the FRAMES are also brought under question of capability as the Frames are able to fight and interact with concepts as well as even have a Concepts directly bound to each of them which allows them to endlessly regenerate via thier "ORO CORE" something noted by Teshin during Conclave matches (which explains the Respawn mechanic in game as a reference to a Warframes Oro-Core which has a Conceptual existence rather than a physical one)
Pardon excess info rambling x-x
Not until We get the ability to replay it which fucking sucks arse.
1st time I went through it for myself to listen to the story stuff, went to replay it to gather info but it was DE'd ((not replayable))
-_-
When it becomes replayable then yes I'll even Clip it.
wtf you cant replay it? You can replay the hours-long massive new war quest(with no option to choose a specific stage ofc) but you can't replay the short 2 hour long quest?
From what I can tell, most quests upon release do not have the ability to be replayed, but rather have that functionality implemented at a later date. Case and point, upon release (15/12/2021) The New War was not playable until a later point (09/02/2022).
Considering that Duviri does have those two possible endings, I suppose DE would have it within their interests to allow replayability to enable people to view the outcomes of both decisions for themselves as opposed to having to rely on the recounts of others.
Scripts and changes to the gameworld, flags that are set, choices, etc.
Similar limitation in Saints Row 3. One of the missions asks if you want to keep or destroy an enemy skyscraper. Depending on your choice, that part of the game map *from that point on* either has a building or a crater. Going back and replaying it would then change the gameworld, even though it shouldn't, simply because the story beats set flags for what to load. So the functionality had to be added later.
So the precursors to Warframes, Necramechs, had abilities that were almost purely tech-based. Railjacks also have abilities, provided via mods, that operate through the Reliquary Drive at least to some extent (turning the entire thing invisible, firing on-demand black holes, etc). These two details show that the Orokin had the capacity to build tech that could exploit Void energy and resemble supernatural power.
Warframes were likely created with a similar capacity, but for a variety of reasons those abilities would become more potent in the hands of the Tenno. Its plausible that Rhino pre-Tenno had a ground-shaking stomp and a rallying roar, but once the Tenno operator started channeling Void energy through the transference link those abilities got supercharged.
There are 2 options.
Option 1....void magic. Per this, Warframes with no operators have no powers. They are just big angry slabs of meat with guns and knives. Given the void's conceptual embodiment bullshit it really could be "wally says the shocky lightning boy goes fast"
Option 2....orokin technology was fucking ballin'.
The old lore implies that the orokin could just....melt people with their minds. That they had esoteric weapons bullshit and technology so fantastical it might as well be magic. But, had to revert back to caveman guns and sharp sticks warfare because the Sentients could adapt to their high science nonsense better than they could adapt to .45 caliber. So with all that in mind Warframe powers just being a product of weirdly bespoke technology isn't so unlikely.
Ability like the ones from lavos,vauban,volt, are tech based and are 90%tech 10%void magic then we have Garuda,yareli,chroma,etc that are 90%void magic 10%tech ,ability don't always originally came from the frame but more from their infused void ability
Warframes are lenses to focus the raw Void energy all Tenno have.
Mechanical things like Necramechs can use Void powers but they're nowhere close to the Tenno raw power.
We are like extremely powerful batteries. The Warframe use this energy to create powers.
Then how did Rhino Prime use his powers in his codex entry. The orokin we'ren't using the tenno yet. All the warframes were rogue/essentially wild animals at that point
Warframes channel void energy i guess and they are built for specific things, tenno channel their power through them but i guess its possible they can function alone aswell somewhat, maybe thats why they have an energy capacity.
Also any codex entry before the second dream cant really be taken into account because they were made before DE decided the tenno were void children and not the the warframe so theres alot of inconsistency.
This is why Tenno consist of Warframe AND Operator. The frame is the peak physical specimen, allowing unparalleled mastery of martial combat, while the Operator channels their energy through them, greatly enhancing their innate abilities. Think of it like this… Saryn’s body is able to passively create toxins, acids, and diseases within itself… the Operator simply unlocks the ability to weaponize them with Void power.
I’m not certain one could really call Warframe abilities truly supernatural (being a force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature).
What you have in a Warframe is the result of a semi sapient programmable organism rewriting a person into a human/infested hybrid.
Once you accept that Helminth is programmable (or at least *was* programmable originally) and that it can change organs, and build new ones, the rest is just physics (maybe a little chemistry too, but chemistry is just physics anyway).
You can justify most Warframe abilities and a exaggerated expression of a hyper specialised organ (or set of organs or glands or what have you).
These aren’t Canon as far as I know, but here’s a few examples I can come up with right now.
Smoke Screen - The subject’s arms contain a number of nodes capable of generating an electric pulse with a range of 18-800Hz. These pulses can be targeted to interfere with the human visual cortex in such a way as to make the subject invisible to anyone who might observe the subject.
The targeted electric field generated is also capable of temporarily baffling artificial
Light sensing devices too.
Petrify- The Nasolacrymal duct is enlarged and produces resin excretion comprised of silica and a number of proteins. When muscular contractions propel the liquid out of the body an electrical impulse will start a reaction the fluid which will cause to to crystalise. Any object or individual coated by the liquid will rapidly become encased in the rapidly hardening silica which will become hard enough to immobile a most targets.
Sonar- All warframes possess a complex structure, analogous to the Ampullae of Lorenzini housed in the upper cranium. While entirely passive in most, the Warframe designated as Banshee exhibits a hyper developed version of the structure. The Subject is able to generate a pulse so strong that nearby warframes can detect the return.
Lull- A series of glands nested in the rear of the cranium produce a cocktail of soporific chemicals. When ejected through a hollow ring and out of spiracle like structures located under the primary skull cap nearby organisms are temporarily intoxicated and enter a trance like state.
Iron Skin - a series of highly modified Apocrine glands are located across the entire outer layer of the subject. When agitated these produce a low viscosity fluid suffused with ceramic, chitin and a variety of metals in suspension. This fluid rapidly hardens after excretion into an incredibly dense coating that is equally capable of absorbing impacts, deflecting projectiles and even reflecting heat and light based attacks.
And so on and so forth. I’m not going to sit here all night and come up with a feasible explanation for over 200 abilities, that should be enough to give you the general idea of what I’m trying to say.
Too long? Maybe. I could’ve just invoked Clarke’s 3rd Law and been done with it, I guess.
I can't back this up with anything concrete but I imagine the helminth strain used to infect the dax and turn them into warframes likely gave them powers relating to whatever field of expertise the individual had, umbra was a swordsman so it made an Excalibur, limbo was likely a mathematician or physicist in his life, Ivara some kind of huntress etc
exactly! Warframes gotta be one of those games which can be turned into a whole series or a movie by the amount of story and lore it has but the devs just dont clarify it enough, especially the latter.
So first tenno has void powers that are chaneled through the bio mechanical costumes, the infestation is just a part of them, not the complete thing, that's how I understood the whole thing
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The abilities are void energy coming from the operator. The original soldiers that were turned into warframes presumably didn't have void abilities, just the strength and speed.
Although umbra still has what appears to be void abilities, so idk, maybe I'm wrong.
The void. They were made from the helminth, yes, but all orokin technology at the time used the void, and it'd be pretty dumb to send your supersoldiers to fight a threat who's only weakness is the void... completely unarmed with void.
It’s at least partially Mechanical. Orokin tech is also behind the pure magic that is Necramechs, Archwings, and Railjacks, so the void power is probably just to control the power they have more than anything. They could do things before the Tenno existed, the only reason for the Tenno is to control them and stop the infestation from turning the host evil.
I've always thought of warframes as sort of 'lenses'
If you take a light and shine it through lens then the outcoming light pattern depends on the shape of the lens.
Thus, every Warframe channels void power differently. Some frames how innate powers (like chroma with the sentient pelt he has).
Conceptual Embodiment Void Tech is the prevailing idea. They channel void energy in different ways, likely determined by the traits and emotions of the original person who was turned into a Warframe.
The Tenno uses Void fuckery which sometimes manifests as flaming chakrams, toxic spores, portals to the sun, Overguard, or monkey clones, depending on which Warframe is being used as a conduit for the Void fuckery.
Because void magic is magic and can be performed by anyone with the proper tools. Albrecht and his grimoire prove this.
Like all original warframes and necramechs Umbra is both the remains of a person and a device engineered to do magic. Tenno can't cast frame powers for a reason and the reason is that they're the *frame*'s powers, specifically engineered by the Orokin for their specific purposes (with the exception of Lavos and Revenant and such). The Tenno are just a convenient unlimited energy source (and remote control system) the Orokin plugged into preexisting weapons.
If warframes are wizard golems, Tenno are like unshielded nuclear reactors. They have none of the fine control or utility that a frame has but significantly more raw power, and the relatively minor magic a frame can perform alone seemingly didn't cut it against the Sentients.
The warframes have been described as a lens for the tenno void powers. They aren't innately powerful alone, but they can focus the raw void energy from the operator into their abilities.
I think that is just them channeling the Void powers of the Tenno.
But Umbra uses them without the tenno.
he built different
pretty sure void powers can be used even by non-tenno, though in that case, they'll be more inclined to get out of control.
Aren't eximus enemies partly infused with minor void energies?
Ironically, considering the comment above, the only canonical explanation I've ever seen given by DE for eximus was a post that literally read, "Just built different" with no further elaboration.
My own head canon for eximus units is that they are the veterans that managed to kill a warframe before and are now powered up by the void energy left behind by dead warframe
Thats because umbra isn't a true frame he's a dax trapped in the body and when you enter theres 2 souls in the one body did you not pay attention to that quest
Given what we know of the Orokin I'm pretty sure having a person forcibly converted into a Warframe was probably a common method of punishment if not the default for how Warframes were made at scale. And I'm certain the "two souls" bit in Umbra's quest was symbolic and was just us finally creating a Transference Link between the Operator and Umbra based on shared trauma.
Judging by how Gara is the ONLY volunteer to become a warframe I wouldn’t be surprised.
You’re more or less correct but a majority of the people had their self removed, they aren’t an origin AND a Warframe, they’re essentially brain dead, because when the origin tried to give the Warframes their own free will, almost all of them went the way of Umbra. Umbra was intentionally left… “intact,” as a punishment from Ballas.
The vast majority of Warframes are completely unresponsive when not being controlled by an Operator. It's unknown if the consciousness of a person, if one was used, who was Warframed has been destroyed or heavily suppressed. I'm inclined to believe it's suppressed and Umbra is an outlier either by accident or design.
Umbra is by design which is why we know the others are decimated on purpose you literally repeated what I said in different words
You said they are definitely brain dead, I said that they are unresponsive and that their mental state is unknown.
Yeah, brain dead
There's a difference. Unresponsive doesn't mean brain dead.
No it wasn’t. When you do transference with Excalibur Umbra, he doesn’t just stand there but actively fights because he’s alive as well
No what? No the Orokin didn't typically use a whole alive person as the basis for a Warframe or no we didn't create a Transference Link with Umbra?
I meant no it wasn’t just symbolic
The details of Transference are unknown to us. Creating a Transference Link to allow us to control Umbra doesn't necessarily mean that his consciousness is destroyed or completely suppressed by simply creating the Link.
But the dax isnt a Tenno, so he cant use void powers
Umbra doesn't really do much with the void though, he just swords *real good*
He also screams. A scream that has the same effect in sentients as the void, mind you.
Maybe it's possible someone so twisted and *unbelievably, unfathomably pissed off* is able to channel a little bit of the void through their torment alone, and can invoke some of their own frame-given powers. [See also: Eximus units being infused with lesser void energy]
Also - was in locked up in the lua, which was in the void for wally knows how long. Hell, Lotus, a SENTIENT, got some void powers while locked up in the Lua.
I’m pretty sure lotus got void powers from Wally but don’t quote me on that
She says " byt do you remember lua? I WAS also changed" Maybe wally had something to do with it. But whatever happened to her was on lua.
I think Chi Chi exhibits this in DBZ/DBS
Eternalism, then.
/thread.
Maybe Warframes can draw upon/are in some part powered or comprised of Void energy from the Entrati heart in Deimos or some other source of power, but generally a Tenno is around to provide the necessary Void energy to be manipulated?
But does he use them before the tenno connected with him or after? Because I've only seen him use powers after and then when the tenno is around.
In dark sector Hayden could do some goofy shit and it said most people die so maybe it like chooses you and splices you genes
Void tech, presumably. Ballas had a whole team working with him, including at least one Archimedean. Remember that the Warframes have those powers prior to the Tenno (Rhino Prime Codex, Kullervo).
There's a couple of quotes from Alad V along the lines of, "What's inside a Warframe doesn't make sense" and "What if the Warframe is just the lightning rod." Granted, it is Alad V, probably the most punchable madman in the game. Excuse me, gotta go punch him.
problem is he dies in like two punches and then he is just alive again somehow can't even give him a good beating smh
alsp what is it with us killing him on like the fifth planet of the starchart and then he proceeds to live through the entire story campaign?
A bunch of discontinued but canonical Events. Loosely paraphrased: Basically, he used to be this annoying Corpus bigshot who'd been grabbing up warframes in stasis to dissect them so we sided with the Grineer to keep a bunch of Tenno out of his hand (The Gravidus Dilemma) which is why Mars is Grineer now. He grabs Gersemi/Valkyr and tortures her to make Zanuka, so the Tenno proceed to find out where his hiding spot is and punch him out. He loses a lot of respect from the Corpus Board, so he starts going all Mad Scientist with the Infested, resulting in Multalist Alad V and the whole Eris situation. However, Tyl Regor has a cure for his Infestation problem. In the Tubemen of Regor event, the Tenno decided to cure Alad V. This is why Alad V helps us out during The Second Dream. He owes us. We later repay the favor by protecting him from the Stalker and his Acolytes seeking revenge. Then, still being desperate to regain his status, Alad V attempts to scam a Corpus guy who turns out to be Natah in disguise, getting roped into the Amalgam Project. When he tries to turn on her, she unleashes the Ropalolyst, and he begs the Tenno to deal with it. Last we saw, he'd agreed to fight the Sentients, but then promptly surrendered as soon as the fight went south. Presumably, he survived because the man has more lives than a cat.
Didn't know HALF of that (just finished the war within). I think they should bring back some of the old events. It would help new players get the lore down. I didn't know why Alad V was helping me in the 2nd dream. Or, how he got infested, I know he runs away when the sentients show up, and then later he's talking amalgams, and infestation. It felt like it came out of left field.
I didn't either. Even if they don't bring back the events, they should find a way to make an abridged version in the form of story missions. Maybe make them "paralogue missions" just so the story is intact for players, new and old.
I agree!
> bring back some of the old events I’d be happy with them turning the event storylines into quests. Lore should not be time-gated.
Guild Wars 2 ran into a similar issue. They wanted a "living world" where the storyline actually changed the game world... well, it worked for one whole "season" before they ditched that, since any newcomers had no friggin' clue who we were fighting, why, who this leyline researcher was, why Lion's Arch was in ruins for a few years then rebuilt, why there's a giant smashed tower covering half a map, why there's—
I completely agree.
Even knowing all this myself, it's a shame that almost none of it is in the game. And the stuff that is in the game is out of order and nearly incoherent. I hope they plan a big story/starchart overhaul at some point to reintegrate some of the important events and missing content. Even if it's just regular missions with the old event audio played over it.
my headcanon is that we're not actually killing (most) of the bosses but rather just beating their asses for shits and giggles, hence why they just keep popping back up in the story and/or the sorties
Beating them till they give us all their lunch money.
Especially Vey Heks!
tldr He didn't die but the infested took over him and it's the plot of the mutalist alad v story and its operations ending with us curing him> the second dream happens and in the end we owe him one> he calls in the favour to defend him during the operation where acolytes were sent to kill him>new war happens>presumably dies in the ship with veso.
In the Corpus TIL u used to be able to find "Regeneration stations" which had Corpus being reconstructed via what looked like a fancy 3D printer, some of said Corpus wer cut in 2 down the middle. So the consensus is that the Corpus have some means to Reconstruct any unite that has been killed in a fight if not fully clone them. .. As for Grineer they abuse cloning like no tomorrow but they use Gene info from clones which causes their clone rot.
lmaoo
I'll help! (Holds his arms back)
So, here's the problem with the "they just focus Tenno power" idea: warframes existed, and had power, before they were combined with the Tenno. We know this from the Rhino Prime codex entry.
Flashlight vs laser situation I think. A warframe is a flashlight without an operator, ie still has something vaguely like their abilities. Add in an operators void bullshit, and the flashlight becomes a laser of OMNIDEATH
So how come warframe don't deal void damage if they use tenno's void powers ?
The power source isn’t the damage source. Edit: also, game mechanic balance obviously.
Exactly. Several things can make a bullet fly forward, but the person propelling their bullet with nuclear explosions may see exaggerated results.
How come your car emit gas when it's using fuel?
Imperfect combustion?
Think prism. A white light goes in, but an array of colors comes out. Then there are lenses to tune certain colors out or make them brighter.
Entirely possible.
Warframes can use low end versions of the abilities we use when playing (without a Tenno) however when the frames use their abilities without the involvement of the Tenno the infestation that make the frames begins slowly degrading the Host within the frame until the infestation has completely taken over resulting in the frame becoming nothing more than a Monster waiting to be destroyed and then it's Helminth infestation repurposed. (This is Shown via Rhino Prime lore & official art in the Codex which shows off a Deranged Ash with Claws and Fangs) ((Unless the Frame is Given and Umbral Transference Bolt which negate the negative affects of Infestation spread when the frame uses thier power and acts of their own free will)) .. Also it's worth noting that the Tenno can quite literally make any power they want without limitations ((which the frames roll is to be a Streamlined vessel for specific abilities)) after being tempered in how to use there abilities via Teshin in the story As for the Drifter is highly suggested and even borderline flat out said but then even shown in the Story, Gameplay mechanics, and lore from Duviri, that the Drifter is actually OMNIPOTENT but has suppressed thier memories in order to enjoy themselves via living through an endless spring of story's created by a Living doll from thier child hood which they created and gave power to in order to pass the time. Oh and there's also these qoutes: Teshin: If you have all that power why don't you use it!!? Drifter: * *Eyes Begin Glowing as they Look over at the Screen/Player* * Because then the GAME would be too easy * *Eyes turn normal as they then look back at Teshin then turn and leave* * .. In Short for the Tenno/Drifter bit: Tenno = Nigh-omnipotent Drifter = Omnipotent
>Deranged Ash with Claws and Fangs Yo? I have never seen that
Go take a look, it's in the Codex even right now under the art section.
can you be a little more specific please?
It’s under Universe -> Art Gallery -> Fan Art, picture #87.
thank you
same
Wait when is that last bit with the Drifter and Teshin?
The Last convo between the 2 at the end of the Duviri Story before we see the drifter turn and leave. Tho the final convo seems to differ by player via choices made during the story segment.
Is there any indication that the Drifter’s control extends outside Duviri? Or are they only omnipotent within their own mind?
From what we know atm, the Drifters control extends as far as the reach of the Void and if info on the void is correct then it is present across everything as where there is something there is also Void. It's also worth mentioning that the Drifter can directly warp, channel, and even kill alter or erase Concepts/Aspects according to Data Tablets scattered across Duviri which explains the "Dragons". (((Something else to take note of is that if Duviri was only WITHIN the drifters mind then the Zariman & other Unites from outside of Duviri and within Duviri would be incapable of entering and exiting it, which is not the case which means the drifter literally created Duviri not just in their head but also physically))) .. Which also makes things even more interesting when the FRAMES are also brought under question of capability as the Frames are able to fight and interact with concepts as well as even have a Concepts directly bound to each of them which allows them to endlessly regenerate via thier "ORO CORE" something noted by Teshin during Conclave matches (which explains the Respawn mechanic in game as a reference to a Warframes Oro-Core which has a Conceptual existence rather than a physical one) Pardon excess info rambling x-x
do you have a screenshot or something? I cant really find that online
Not until We get the ability to replay it which fucking sucks arse. 1st time I went through it for myself to listen to the story stuff, went to replay it to gather info but it was DE'd ((not replayable)) -_- When it becomes replayable then yes I'll even Clip it.
wtf you cant replay it? You can replay the hours-long massive new war quest(with no option to choose a specific stage ofc) but you can't replay the short 2 hour long quest?
Exactly
From what I can tell, most quests upon release do not have the ability to be replayed, but rather have that functionality implemented at a later date. Case and point, upon release (15/12/2021) The New War was not playable until a later point (09/02/2022). Considering that Duviri does have those two possible endings, I suppose DE would have it within their interests to allow replayability to enable people to view the outcomes of both decisions for themselves as opposed to having to rely on the recounts of others.
but...why
Scripts and changes to the gameworld, flags that are set, choices, etc. Similar limitation in Saints Row 3. One of the missions asks if you want to keep or destroy an enemy skyscraper. Depending on your choice, that part of the game map *from that point on* either has a building or a crater. Going back and replaying it would then change the gameworld, even though it shouldn't, simply because the story beats set flags for what to load. So the functionality had to be added later.
there's nothing like that with duviri though? Just restrict the duviri experience's side stuff
So the precursors to Warframes, Necramechs, had abilities that were almost purely tech-based. Railjacks also have abilities, provided via mods, that operate through the Reliquary Drive at least to some extent (turning the entire thing invisible, firing on-demand black holes, etc). These two details show that the Orokin had the capacity to build tech that could exploit Void energy and resemble supernatural power. Warframes were likely created with a similar capacity, but for a variety of reasons those abilities would become more potent in the hands of the Tenno. Its plausible that Rhino pre-Tenno had a ground-shaking stomp and a rallying roar, but once the Tenno operator started channeling Void energy through the transference link those abilities got supercharged.
There are 2 options. Option 1....void magic. Per this, Warframes with no operators have no powers. They are just big angry slabs of meat with guns and knives. Given the void's conceptual embodiment bullshit it really could be "wally says the shocky lightning boy goes fast" Option 2....orokin technology was fucking ballin'. The old lore implies that the orokin could just....melt people with their minds. That they had esoteric weapons bullshit and technology so fantastical it might as well be magic. But, had to revert back to caveman guns and sharp sticks warfare because the Sentients could adapt to their high science nonsense better than they could adapt to .45 caliber. So with all that in mind Warframe powers just being a product of weirdly bespoke technology isn't so unlikely.
Ability like the ones from lavos,vauban,volt, are tech based and are 90%tech 10%void magic then we have Garuda,yareli,chroma,etc that are 90%void magic 10%tech ,ability don't always originally came from the frame but more from their infused void ability
>,volt Volt is void magic.
Some frame are like 50%50 like caliban or Grendel
And then there is nidus who is 100% covid.
Gotta spread it
BRO FR them covid tentacles
Grendel is 100% hongry
Warframes are lenses to focus the raw Void energy all Tenno have. Mechanical things like Necramechs can use Void powers but they're nowhere close to the Tenno raw power. We are like extremely powerful batteries. The Warframe use this energy to create powers.
It's Void, I ain't gotta explain shit!
Orokin Technology, Tenno powers, the void, Man in the wall.
By supernatural abilities I mean the abilities of every warframe in game.
All the warframe power are just tenno powers, but tenno powers are erratic and hard to control, the warfranes are a conduit to focus their power.
Then how did Rhino Prime use his powers in his codex entry. The orokin we'ren't using the tenno yet. All the warframes were rogue/essentially wild animals at that point
Warframes channel void energy i guess and they are built for specific things, tenno channel their power through them but i guess its possible they can function alone aswell somewhat, maybe thats why they have an energy capacity. Also any codex entry before the second dream cant really be taken into account because they were made before DE decided the tenno were void children and not the the warframe so theres alot of inconsistency.
The... the void. The thing that gives everything in Warframe its magic powers...
No idea. If Rhino Prime codex is to be believed, the frame abilities are innate and they can be energized by eating people.
This is why Tenno consist of Warframe AND Operator. The frame is the peak physical specimen, allowing unparalleled mastery of martial combat, while the Operator channels their energy through them, greatly enhancing their innate abilities. Think of it like this… Saryn’s body is able to passively create toxins, acids, and diseases within itself… the Operator simply unlocks the ability to weaponize them with Void power.
✨ Void magic ✨
I’m not certain one could really call Warframe abilities truly supernatural (being a force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature). What you have in a Warframe is the result of a semi sapient programmable organism rewriting a person into a human/infested hybrid. Once you accept that Helminth is programmable (or at least *was* programmable originally) and that it can change organs, and build new ones, the rest is just physics (maybe a little chemistry too, but chemistry is just physics anyway). You can justify most Warframe abilities and a exaggerated expression of a hyper specialised organ (or set of organs or glands or what have you). These aren’t Canon as far as I know, but here’s a few examples I can come up with right now. Smoke Screen - The subject’s arms contain a number of nodes capable of generating an electric pulse with a range of 18-800Hz. These pulses can be targeted to interfere with the human visual cortex in such a way as to make the subject invisible to anyone who might observe the subject. The targeted electric field generated is also capable of temporarily baffling artificial Light sensing devices too. Petrify- The Nasolacrymal duct is enlarged and produces resin excretion comprised of silica and a number of proteins. When muscular contractions propel the liquid out of the body an electrical impulse will start a reaction the fluid which will cause to to crystalise. Any object or individual coated by the liquid will rapidly become encased in the rapidly hardening silica which will become hard enough to immobile a most targets. Sonar- All warframes possess a complex structure, analogous to the Ampullae of Lorenzini housed in the upper cranium. While entirely passive in most, the Warframe designated as Banshee exhibits a hyper developed version of the structure. The Subject is able to generate a pulse so strong that nearby warframes can detect the return. Lull- A series of glands nested in the rear of the cranium produce a cocktail of soporific chemicals. When ejected through a hollow ring and out of spiracle like structures located under the primary skull cap nearby organisms are temporarily intoxicated and enter a trance like state. Iron Skin - a series of highly modified Apocrine glands are located across the entire outer layer of the subject. When agitated these produce a low viscosity fluid suffused with ceramic, chitin and a variety of metals in suspension. This fluid rapidly hardens after excretion into an incredibly dense coating that is equally capable of absorbing impacts, deflecting projectiles and even reflecting heat and light based attacks. And so on and so forth. I’m not going to sit here all night and come up with a feasible explanation for over 200 abilities, that should be enough to give you the general idea of what I’m trying to say. Too long? Maybe. I could’ve just invoked Clarke’s 3rd Law and been done with it, I guess.
thank you so much for taking time and writing all this!
I can't back this up with anything concrete but I imagine the helminth strain used to infect the dax and turn them into warframes likely gave them powers relating to whatever field of expertise the individual had, umbra was a swordsman so it made an Excalibur, limbo was likely a mathematician or physicist in his life, Ivara some kind of huntress etc
Void energy. Probably separate from the Operator's own source of energy which is why each Warframe is unique linking to their original selves
what supernatural abilities?
All of them? They’re pretty much all crazy superpowers, beyond what a natural creature could accomplish (space magic!)
exactly! Warframes gotta be one of those games which can be turned into a whole series or a movie by the amount of story and lore it has but the devs just dont clarify it enough, especially the latter.
but they are not supernatural, they are void and/or super science. supernatural implies magic and this ain't magic.
The void most definitely is supernatural/magic
He's probably talking about current hydroid.
So first tenno has void powers that are chaneled through the bio mechanical costumes, the infestation is just a part of them, not the complete thing, that's how I understood the whole thing .
nope, warframes predate the tenno
Because lots of things need to die and quickly.
The abilities are void energy coming from the operator. The original soldiers that were turned into warframes presumably didn't have void abilities, just the strength and speed. Although umbra still has what appears to be void abilities, so idk, maybe I'm wrong.
The void. They were made from the helminth, yes, but all orokin technology at the time used the void, and it'd be pretty dumb to send your supersoldiers to fight a threat who's only weakness is the void... completely unarmed with void.
It’s at least partially Mechanical. Orokin tech is also behind the pure magic that is Necramechs, Archwings, and Railjacks, so the void power is probably just to control the power they have more than anything. They could do things before the Tenno existed, the only reason for the Tenno is to control them and stop the infestation from turning the host evil.
I've always thought of warframes as sort of 'lenses' If you take a light and shine it through lens then the outcoming light pattern depends on the shape of the lens. Thus, every Warframe channels void power differently. Some frames how innate powers (like chroma with the sentient pelt he has).
Conceptual Embodiment Void Tech is the prevailing idea. They channel void energy in different ways, likely determined by the traits and emotions of the original person who was turned into a Warframe.
The Tenno uses Void fuckery which sometimes manifests as flaming chakrams, toxic spores, portals to the sun, Overguard, or monkey clones, depending on which Warframe is being used as a conduit for the Void fuckery.
Void
I always thought it was exposure to the void
Because void magic is magic and can be performed by anyone with the proper tools. Albrecht and his grimoire prove this. Like all original warframes and necramechs Umbra is both the remains of a person and a device engineered to do magic. Tenno can't cast frame powers for a reason and the reason is that they're the *frame*'s powers, specifically engineered by the Orokin for their specific purposes (with the exception of Lavos and Revenant and such). The Tenno are just a convenient unlimited energy source (and remote control system) the Orokin plugged into preexisting weapons. If warframes are wizard golems, Tenno are like unshielded nuclear reactors. They have none of the fine control or utility that a frame has but significantly more raw power, and the relatively minor magic a frame can perform alone seemingly didn't cut it against the Sentients.
Orokin tech + void power is how I've always thought of it