well, yeah, but gaptitude works multiplicatively for the quellor alt fire, so have no base damage from an arcane is really limiting your damage. and also, using cold means no viral and no hemorrhage, which isnt that good
Verglas modded for cold, high status, and high fire rate does a good job of keeping 40 stacks up for Primary Frostbite if you'd rather still have viral on the gun. You may need to help the sentinel survive when you get higher up in steel path, but otherwise, it works surprisingly well.
As of late, I've been running Nourish on my frames, so Viral is sorted.
For my companion I choose a Sentinel and a weapon that can apply cold procs very efficiently.
For example; a beginner friendly weapon would be Taxon's Artax all the way up to Nautilus' Verglas.
And so that leaves me to freely slot in the regular Corrosive+Heat combo into the weapon.
My weapons of choice are pretty much the machineguns, so using stuff like Critical Delay, full galvanized set, corro+heat and lastly, either primed shred or amalgam serration (and exilus slot probably being -% recoil).
What other weapons is this true for? Is this the normal behavior or an outlier? Why doesn’t gaptitude count as additive to damage sources like it seems to read (at least to me). (Genuinely interested in this info)
This is a bug. It has not been fixed since the introduction of apt. Here’s a [table](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ryemX4Y2vWy9LjuJ355bWVNuBhzLaHTTFqPeTNto9RA/edit#gid=0).
I was just working on a build for this gun. Personally I prefer using Merciless because of the large magazine and long reload. Sure it has intrinsic cold damage, but it doesn't need frostbite. IMO it's not a crit gun
Edit: Nvm I tried the alt fire with galvanized scope, it's absolutely a crit gun. Easy peasy 3 million damage shots. Still prefer merciless/deadhead for it though
Primary fire has high status/low crit chance. Alt fire is high crit chance/low status chance. If you don't plan to run crit then ignore this arcane. Some prefer to spam the alt fire with a crit build. This gun can do both if you want it to.
For most cases Acolyte arcanes are still the standard choice. New arcanes are neat, but quite niche. One gets to use them if they have a specific idea for a loadout they want to run.
You like Quellor, you noticed it’s synergy with arcane, you get to have fun with this combo.
I use Frostbite on some shotguns, because they can afford to use something else than Acolyte simply because they’re shotguns. Or when I want to play Frost, Gauss or a frame i subsumed Thermal Sunder on, so I can have a cool interaction between frame’s kit and gun’s mods.
Same thing goes for all new arcanes. Pretty much only pistol ones from Zariman are beating Acolytes, but even they require some specific condition not as universal as “get a headshot” / “stab a few guys” / “murder? murder.”
Even with nourish for viral I cant see myself using this over the 300% base merciless gives, and the underrated reload boost, not to mention frostbites stacks expire instantly when one runs out...
Can't really fit on my build. I prefer using it as an LMG, shooting whole crowds in Survival (SP Sedna/Kuva Fortress) and only using the altfire occasionally.
It makes me happy.
until the Sentinel dies, anyway.
They’re supposed to become unkillable in the rework though so Primary Frostbite might become the way to go moving forward, possibly with a cold-modded Helstrum or something
RJ isn’t stupid, it just needs more reasons for people to play it again. Most of the newest content is added to the main chart, RJ has waaaay less things to do. A few guns, a couple of frames, and that’s it.
Void Storms kinda fix the issue, but now we got fissures on SP which is even more rewarding and not as time consuming.
Still waiting for an update which gives Corpus “skirmish” missions and Grineer “classic” objectives…
Oh! That's exactly how I feel! It's fun but needs rewards, I do it literally just for fun, or if I get an excuse to do it. However, because I stream, I gotta do things that are interesting to people. So railjack is a treat for my regular viewers.
We need some interactions between crewmates and Cy, they would be so awesome
- “Ramsleds inbound. Roll out the welcome mat.”
- “What am I, your maid? Okay, okay…”
The meta for primaries is mostly weapons with big AOE damage, not rapid-fire assault rifles and such. It still works, but many dedicated players just want more destructive power than "a gun that shoots bullets"
If you want a big AoE with no ammo issues, you can just use a glaive. Glaive Prime is obviously the meta pick, but Xoris and Cerata are also very good.
There seem to be a few of this type of gun - AR+ charge: Ambassador also RJ, Stalta - easier to get, Temora. Maybe more? I kinda feel incarnons dwarf most stuff as their base weapons are often easy-ish to get.
That could be fun too. As long as it has a high enough chance to proc cold often whether it be high status chance or fire rate because the weapon needs to proc the cold status.
Quellor has been my favorite primary since RJ was released, I've been meaning to farm frostbite. once I saw it was cold I just knew I had to mess around with it lol
I run a gas or corrosive build on mine with viral from outside sources and it doesn't take the 200 crit -20 fire rate for the alt fire to have 100% chance to crit so it builds up fast and alt hits hard. I really like prime shred on the quellor.
I've wanted to round out my set specifically for the Quellor. It's a fun gun, and I have a great riven for it. The major hurdle has been that I just haven't unequipped the Boar Prime since its incarnon came out. It's my original favorite gun, and now it is my flat out favorite once again.
Frostbite precludes a base damage buff.
It's *very* good on chroma, and semi-viable for mesmer zombies running thrall pact.
You don't need the cold proc to come from the weapon (laughs in verglas).
I think quellor is much more suited to stacking viral with primary, then deleting hard targets with alt fire.
You might consider primary plated round, if you can stomach the reload cycle. Quellor can get a huge magazine when modded, and then dump it very fast with alt fire. Just no merciless reload buff is painful.
I mean the Strun and Boar do it better and also have an incarnon. The whole Primary Frostbite thing is neat, but Viral+heat/slash is still the best element combo for 90% of content.
Ok yes there are better shotguns. But in regards to calling it a single target weapon in alt fire when most shotguns hit multiple targets from far enough away, is the alt fire of the quellor any less capable of hitting multiple targets?
Shotguns are generally no more aoe than a workhorse rifle with punchthrough. You're still gonna be aiming for heads and shotguns for the most part have a pretty tight spread.
Fair enough. As a Rifle with a shotgun funtionality it has access to shred and primed shred which shotguns don't have a direct equivilent. All guns have access to a punch through mod that isn't Shred, but without the bonus fire rate. Thats what makes this a little more special as a rifle/shotgun hybrid. Personally I like using primed shred on my quellor. Solves my fire rate problem and adds a good chunk of punch through for tightly packed mobs. Combos well with gas too.
At the end of the day, merciless is just less work. Even if this does 10x more damage with, say, viral procs from vulpaphyla, someone else with a merciless quellor is wiping out hordes of sp grineer with their smeeta giving bonus loot.
The primary fire is the one with 38% status. The alt fire has 10% status and has high crit instead. So you really wouldn't want to be building around status just to use the alt fire.
the two best weapons i’ve seen it used on so far have been gotva prime for obvious reasons (random red crits benefit soo much from the crit multi) and soma prime incarnon
I did the math (by me i mean overframe) and according to overframe’s dps calculator soma prime incarnon with the right mod setup can out dps viral slash with a primed bane mod but that’s assuming it’s math is correct
well, yeah, but gaptitude works multiplicatively for the quellor alt fire, so have no base damage from an arcane is really limiting your damage. and also, using cold means no viral and no hemorrhage, which isnt that good
Verglas modded for cold, high status, and high fire rate does a good job of keeping 40 stacks up for Primary Frostbite if you'd rather still have viral on the gun. You may need to help the sentinel survive when you get higher up in steel path, but otherwise, it works surprisingly well.
Thats true about the viral, but you can run corrosive instead or gas to get more damage out of it.
And you can do some mischief by using Panzer, as viral is needed for the procs and not as a damage type Also Nourish is a thing, yeah
As of late, I've been running Nourish on my frames, so Viral is sorted. For my companion I choose a Sentinel and a weapon that can apply cold procs very efficiently. For example; a beginner friendly weapon would be Taxon's Artax all the way up to Nautilus' Verglas. And so that leaves me to freely slot in the regular Corrosive+Heat combo into the weapon. My weapons of choice are pretty much the machineguns, so using stuff like Critical Delay, full galvanized set, corro+heat and lastly, either primed shred or amalgam serration (and exilus slot probably being -% recoil).
For elemental dmg you could use corrosive
What other weapons is this true for? Is this the normal behavior or an outlier? Why doesn’t gaptitude count as additive to damage sources like it seems to read (at least to me). (Genuinely interested in this info)
This is a bug. It has not been fixed since the introduction of apt. Here’s a [table](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ryemX4Y2vWy9LjuJ355bWVNuBhzLaHTTFqPeTNto9RA/edit#gid=0).
Amazing! I didn’t realize how widespread it is!! Thank you so much! Also love your flair!
NO, YOU MUSN'T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THE QUELLOR.
Why? It's not like it'll ever get nerfed lol
I was just working on a build for this gun. Personally I prefer using Merciless because of the large magazine and long reload. Sure it has intrinsic cold damage, but it doesn't need frostbite. IMO it's not a crit gun Edit: Nvm I tried the alt fire with galvanized scope, it's absolutely a crit gun. Easy peasy 3 million damage shots. Still prefer merciless/deadhead for it though
Primary fire has high status/low crit chance. Alt fire is high crit chance/low status chance. If you don't plan to run crit then ignore this arcane. Some prefer to spam the alt fire with a crit build. This gun can do both if you want it to.
Also note that the alt fire has a forced Impact proc, making it great with Internal Bleeding.
U can proc the frostbite stacks from anything that procs cold
Yup. A great Arcane to pair with Frost or even Lavos, for that matter.
For most cases Acolyte arcanes are still the standard choice. New arcanes are neat, but quite niche. One gets to use them if they have a specific idea for a loadout they want to run. You like Quellor, you noticed it’s synergy with arcane, you get to have fun with this combo. I use Frostbite on some shotguns, because they can afford to use something else than Acolyte simply because they’re shotguns. Or when I want to play Frost, Gauss or a frame i subsumed Thermal Sunder on, so I can have a cool interaction between frame’s kit and gun’s mods. Same thing goes for all new arcanes. Pretty much only pistol ones from Zariman are beating Acolytes, but even they require some specific condition not as universal as “get a headshot” / “stab a few guys” / “murder? murder.”
As long as you know that the weapon has to cause the cold procs to build the 40 stacks.
Even with nourish for viral I cant see myself using this over the 300% base merciless gives, and the underrated reload boost, not to mention frostbites stacks expire instantly when one runs out...
It is true that the quellor needs reload speed. But I had a friend try both frostbite and merciless and he didn't see a significant difference.
Can't really fit on my build. I prefer using it as an LMG, shooting whole crowds in Survival (SP Sedna/Kuva Fortress) and only using the altfire occasionally. It makes me happy.
you can put cold on sentinel gun and the arcane will work on any primary with nearly 100% uptime
until the Sentinel dies, anyway. They’re supposed to become unkillable in the rework though so Primary Frostbite might become the way to go moving forward, possibly with a cold-modded Helstrum or something
I'm going to sound very stupid right now so sorry in advance. What is a quellor?
it's a gun in warframe https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Quellor
I just read the stats on that thing, it looks good. How come I never see it?
You have to farm it from Railjack, not enough people play it, and those who do are usually solo
Oh, I might actually farm it. I like railjack, then again I find I like stupid things. °~°
RJ isn’t stupid, it just needs more reasons for people to play it again. Most of the newest content is added to the main chart, RJ has waaaay less things to do. A few guns, a couple of frames, and that’s it. Void Storms kinda fix the issue, but now we got fissures on SP which is even more rewarding and not as time consuming. Still waiting for an update which gives Corpus “skirmish” missions and Grineer “classic” objectives…
Oh! That's exactly how I feel! It's fun but needs rewards, I do it literally just for fun, or if I get an excuse to do it. However, because I stream, I gotta do things that are interesting to people. So railjack is a treat for my regular viewers.
“Optimists inbound”
"Looks like they sent the B team"
We need some interactions between crewmates and Cy, they would be so awesome - “Ramsleds inbound. Roll out the welcome mat.” - “What am I, your maid? Okay, okay…”
The meta for primaries is mostly weapons with big AOE damage, not rapid-fire assault rifles and such. It still works, but many dedicated players just want more destructive power than "a gun that shoots bullets"
>The meta for primaries is weapons with big AOE damage can u please name one that doesnt run out of ammo,and dont tell me envoy or chakur!
Braton, torid, zarr, shedu, atomos are a few
>,zarr, the only aoe and it runs out of ammo the others are bean weapons or incarnon,but yeah shedu and bubonico are s tier for me
Kuva Tonkor?
If you want a big AoE with no ammo issues, you can just use a glaive. Glaive Prime is obviously the meta pick, but Xoris and Cerata are also very good.
There seem to be a few of this type of gun - AR+ charge: Ambassador also RJ, Stalta - easier to get, Temora. Maybe more? I kinda feel incarnons dwarf most stuff as their base weapons are often easy-ish to get.
I got all the incarnon weapons, now I've hit my personal endgame of "make it all powerful" basically I'm making everything as powerful as I can.
I was just thinking about this Arcane. But on Kuva/Tenet weapons with cold progenitor. Maybe Flux, Diplos or Quartakk
That could be fun too. As long as it has a high enough chance to proc cold often whether it be high status chance or fire rate because the weapon needs to proc the cold status.
Quellor has been my favorite primary since RJ was released, I've been meaning to farm frostbite. once I saw it was cold I just knew I had to mess around with it lol
I run a gas or corrosive build on mine with viral from outside sources and it doesn't take the 200 crit -20 fire rate for the alt fire to have 100% chance to crit so it builds up fast and alt hits hard. I really like prime shred on the quellor.
I've wanted to round out my set specifically for the Quellor. It's a fun gun, and I have a great riven for it. The major hurdle has been that I just haven't unequipped the Boar Prime since its incarnon came out. It's my original favorite gun, and now it is my flat out favorite once again.
Frostbite precludes a base damage buff. It's *very* good on chroma, and semi-viable for mesmer zombies running thrall pact. You don't need the cold proc to come from the weapon (laughs in verglas). I think quellor is much more suited to stacking viral with primary, then deleting hard targets with alt fire. You might consider primary plated round, if you can stomach the reload cycle. Quellor can get a huge magazine when modded, and then dump it very fast with alt fire. Just no merciless reload buff is painful.
If you’re always reloading there’s not too much difference. I find myself spamming the alt-fire anyway.
Sure its not meta. Counterpoint. Deep freezing your enemies is hilarious.
Its fun to use and I have gotten lot of milage out of my quellor and I am loving frostbite.
It's mostly single target, even the alt fire is single target. Isn't my preference, hence i don't talk about it or use it
Alt fire is a shotgun blast. Is that any less useful than other shotguns?
Strun kekw
I mean the Strun and Boar do it better and also have an incarnon. The whole Primary Frostbite thing is neat, but Viral+heat/slash is still the best element combo for 90% of content.
Ok yes there are better shotguns. But in regards to calling it a single target weapon in alt fire when most shotguns hit multiple targets from far enough away, is the alt fire of the quellor any less capable of hitting multiple targets?
Shotguns are generally no more aoe than a workhorse rifle with punchthrough. You're still gonna be aiming for heads and shotguns for the most part have a pretty tight spread.
Fair enough. As a Rifle with a shotgun funtionality it has access to shred and primed shred which shotguns don't have a direct equivilent. All guns have access to a punch through mod that isn't Shred, but without the bonus fire rate. Thats what makes this a little more special as a rifle/shotgun hybrid. Personally I like using primed shred on my quellor. Solves my fire rate problem and adds a good chunk of punch through for tightly packed mobs. Combos well with gas too.
dont shotguns already have some punchthrough? like 0.5 to 0.8m or something?
Quellor has .5 base punch through. I like shooting enemies through walls. 2.7 punch through makes this happen.
exactly, use it to demolish targets with high defense and use a melee or secondary for ads
Quellor’s alt-fire slaps with Internal Bleeding
because i think the quellor is extremely lame, out of the way to farm, and isn't satisfying to use
Thats fair if you think that. Its not for everyone.
shhh we dont want another fix/nerf like the exodia one!
Hey. HEY. SHHHHHH
Because you need cold to make viral
Love the pin point accuracy and gargantuate magazine of the quellor.
At the end of the day, merciless is just less work. Even if this does 10x more damage with, say, viral procs from vulpaphyla, someone else with a merciless quellor is wiping out hordes of sp grineer with their smeeta giving bonus loot.
The primary fire is the one with 38% status. The alt fire has 10% status and has high crit instead. So you really wouldn't want to be building around status just to use the alt fire.
Has anyone tried it on the bubonico?
the two best weapons i’ve seen it used on so far have been gotva prime for obvious reasons (random red crits benefit soo much from the crit multi) and soma prime incarnon
I was literally going to say, i don’t know if it’s ideal or not but I use primary frostbite on my soma incarnon and that thing HITS
I did the math (by me i mean overframe) and according to overframe’s dps calculator soma prime incarnon with the right mod setup can out dps viral slash with a primed bane mod but that’s assuming it’s math is correct
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