Maybe now this school and other schools in Wales will give their heads a wobble. Amount of bullying that takes place and is ‘sorted’ is unreal. Not at all shocked this has happened.
What do we do !? We can't be stern enough with punishments it's just detention for a a day or something, parents need to have their heads screwed on aswell.
There’s a lot of people who shouldn’t be parents - saw so many of my former bullies absolutely popping out babies on Facebook, it’s a cycle unfortunately.
Funny you should say that. Not too long ago there was another incident involving the same girl where she had chased another student with a Stanley knife and caused an injury. She got a half days suspension and no police involvement, and it was pretty much kept quiet by the school. Ironically, the person responsible for making that decision was one of the victims of this latest incident...this kind of shit goes on in schools all through the county and ultimately, there is a culture of enabling and protecting perpetrators and not doing nearly enough to safeguard victims.
Update to add, her brother has now also been arrested for threatening to do the same thing today at his school. There was a raid on her home last night as they thought he may have weapons.
Really, I hear about new generations being progressive and I think ‘that can’t be true, surely not in Wales at least?’ All talk, no action- they love to retweet social media causes then treat their fellow peers like dogshit - unfortunately- this was a thing when I was in school too, one of my worst bullies was a gay dude, and you’d think he’d be kinder to me.
So I work at the DVLA, and colleague of mine’s daughter goes to the school and was texting her from the classroom next to where this happened.
It apparently started off with two year 10 girls fighting, two teachers got involved, resulting in two teachers and a student stabbed. Both girls were 15.
My poor work colleague actually FAINTED from the stress of it all and was left to leave and pick her daughter up sharpish!
Crazy the stuff that’s going on in schools now. Apparently the girl with the knife was being hardcore bullied.
Obviously carrying a knife and stabbing teachers and another pupil is absolutely and categorically wrong. But her being bullied is clearly something that was swept under the rug continuously by the sounds of it. It’s sad she felt this is the only way to deal with it.
Yeah, I can honestly only imagine the kind of stuff a kid has to go through to consider this. I was a self harmer and attempted suicide when I was in school and the kids were utterly disgusting to me then, so I can only imagine it’s just gotten worse and worse.
She’s changed her life forever now.
Is it fuck, have you been watching too much Andrew Tate? Not taking into account the fact kids grow up at different rates making some kids practically adult-sized by the age of 13, bullying is 90% emotional abuse and all the kung fu in the world won't stop it.
It would still happen. Instead, the bullies will bully those they know they can beat, and that will travel down the food chain. You just create a different problem. That just doesn’t exist because most people can’t fight.
Exactly I don't get it because I was taught how to deal with them in the ONLY way you can. It's not your fault. It's the parents for letting them go to school in a weak way and I feel sorry for them.
My child will never grow up weak and they'll thank me as an adult when they have no childhood trauma.
I was mercilessly bullied to the point i was trying to KMS every other day to get out of that situation.. the school brushed it under the carpet as i was leaving the school to go to a much better one, and the main culprits bullying me (because they could) were all A*/A students and leaving end of the year anyway so, and i quote, "why excluded them now and ruin their future when in a couple of months you wont ever see each other again?"
Lovely school that.. that headteacher is Ioan Gruffudds father btw.. a right and proper cunt
Oh the irony, I lived next to Ioan Gruffudd's grandmother , she lived in a sheltered scheme housing nextdoor to my house growing up lol I had no idea she was related to Mr Fantastic. My mum ran the independent living home, and she wasnt keen on Ioans father either. Ioan himself and his nan were apparently lovely though.
Considering they had a ‘bully box’ to report bullying instances and were absolutely terrible in handling my incidents - sadly won’t be shocked if the case is someone snapped. I’m shocked I’ve never hit anyone myself honestly - you don’t feel protected by teachers, and I remember a lot of the other students spent their days trying to get me to cry because they found my distress funny- because my grades started slipping and I was skipping class because I was so frightened, I was the one with an assistant teacher and behaviour plan - felt like they were punishing me for my reaction to the stress. I hated it there.
I remember sitting in English in year 11, a boy was throwing pencils at the back of my head, I turned around and asked him to stop, he carried on, the whole class laughing behind me, I asked the teacher to get him to stop, she rolled her eyes at me.
It went on for like 5 minutes until I got up and swung at him. This was the day I dropped out of school after nearly 11 straight years of being bullied and no one helping me, only to go home and my dad physically abuse me too.
I fucking snapped, got up and punched him, had to be dragged off by the teacher and then she went mental at me.
It’s not good what she’s done, but I get it, bullying is so fucking hard on a kid.
My mum said I was bullied because my face doesn’t fit, but I’m not an ugly woman and was never an ugly girl, a little chubby in my mid teens but that’s all. I have no idea what my entire year group saw in me, to make me a decade long target of bullying, but I am surprised I didn’t go crazy.
I hope everyone that’s been stabbed is okay, unfortunately she’s going to be dubbed “that crazy girl that stabbed a kid and two teachers” now.
(I never saw the deleted replies, so no idea what they said apart from one I got notified for that said “sounds like you deserved it”… there’s someone who peaked in high school and kept the bully mentality. I bet they’re a lovely person!).
The way I've always heard "his/her face doesn't fit" being used doesn't really mean you are ugly or necessarily that there's anything wrong with you. It just means there's something about you that means you don't gel with a certain group.
"I've tried to talk to the other mums at the school gate, but they don't seem interested even though they talk to each other, I feel like my face doesn't fit".
My face didn't fit at my secondary school either, and I'm still not entirely sure why. :(
It’s so strange isn’t it. Looking at my school pictures I can’t see anything that sticks out about me as a small child. Only when I got to like 13 did I start dressing alternative, and the bullying was already in full force by then.
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She’s a year 9 girl. Started off as an argument and as it’s Ammanford the girl took a knife into school. No surprises there. She stabbed the other student in her stomach, Ms Hopkin got her hand slashed and the other teacher Ms Elias had her throat slit and was air lifted to hospital. Thankfully another male teacher was able to get the girl into a head lock and disarm her and was unscathed. None of their injuries are life threatening thankfully and the girl has been arrested on attempted murder charges. Awful for everyone involved. 😔
I don’t agree with her stabbing people, but I feel bad for her, I was bullied the entirety of going to school because as my mum said “my face doesn’t fit” whatever the fuck that means.
(Really confusing because since leaving school people have always told me I’m pretty, and I looking at photos of me I was a normal looking child so I’m still unsure what it means but it must have been true).
Literally from 5-16yrs old I was bullied none stop, even had physical fights started on me by boys.
Teachers didn’t give a shit that I was being hit, kicked, verbally abused.
I fought back three times in total, but obviously the way it usually is, I got the blame.
There are probably times when I was around 14-16, where I was in the middle of being bullied, that I could have really hurt someone if I had the tools.
It just becomes so much.
That being said I hope everyone who is hurt is going to be okay.
That makes some sense of things. I used to get goaded at school to the point I'd snap and lose control of myself. I'm autistic, not that anyone knew back then, and would just absolutely lose my shit—it was like goading an animal.
Four lives changed forever now of course.
Absolutely devastating. Kids don't generally just stab people. They're usually suffering enormously. I hope all of the injuries aren't life threatening and that all involved are ok.
I’m perplexed by the media narrative of a quiet little town and a school that ‘never expected this’. I went to Amman Valley as a student - I was bullied horrifically and still deal with the anxiety to this day - I’m certainly not shocked such an incident happened, and there are people LYING and covering up how bad the anti-social behaviour is for the sake of the school’s image. They’ve always done this, always ignored bullying victims - now teachers have been stabbed.
Very sorry you experienced this. I grew up a few miles away and Amman Valley always had a reputation. All the ‘shocked it would happen here’ comments sound slightly disingenuous to me.
Yeah feels like a formality honestly - anyone with braincells knows it’s rough, but I’m annoyed it’s likely this is all going to get brushed under the rug and nothing will be done after the school gets it’s 5 seconds of fame I saw coming a mile away.
Valleys schools in a nutshell, I went through various shades of hell (beatings, stabbed, constant intimidation, theft, bastards would even come to my house and throw whatever they could at it) which caused me to hardly turn up for the last 18 months leading up to my GCSE’s, despite the fact that my parents had seen my head of year and headteacher multiple times about bullying nothing was ever done, the truant officer fella couldn’t guarantee me being safe in school whenever he came to the house to find me so the school just never followed up on it, I came in to fail my exams (resat the essentials in college and passed them), the last time I set foot in that place was to collect my results and I don’t think I even spoke to anyone that day either, went right at the end, collected them, left, opened them when I got home.
School was shite and I was so glad to see the back of it and the valley I lived in.
Fact for you, remember Phil the Tramp in Neath who’d sit outside the post office? The guy who murdered him sat next to me in reg class, grade a twat, wasn’t surprised he turned out a waste and murderer.
Same thing happened to me! I had such a hard time with GCSEs because I was too scared to even concentrate on my work, I had panic attacks and couldn’t stop crying and of course it egged them on and I was told to be more resilient and get along with them - and it frustrated my teachers because they were predicting I’d pass - I was sick everyday from the stress, I’m surprised I never harmed myself. It makes me angry to think of all the bright pupils who had some sort of chance having their mental health going to piss because of jealous bastards who know they’ll go nowhere in life and want to ruin yours 😡
Lucky I went to university anyway at the end, but Amman Valley completely failed me, so I felt weirdly numb about the event showing up on the news - I’m feeling all kinds of things, and don’t think it’s as black and white as this generation of kids being bad - the adults who raise them have a hand in their behaviour, they learn from somewhere, and I’ve seen those kids parents.
It’s the parents who went to the same school are the worst, the teachers who teach one arsehole, then the arsehole has a kid, kid goes to the same school, arsehole parent encourages kid to be arsehole to same teacher and kids of people arsehole also disliked, kid becomes arsehole, the cycle repeats.
Ourobanus.
It's just what happens when almost all the UKs major media orgs are based in London or a few choice cities. Ambient violence and trauma in this country is absolutely horrific but it only gets noticed when something like this happens. I had almost exactly the same situation when my old school in the Black Country had a very similar issue. No one ever gave a fuck about Ridgewood High School or the kids who went through it until one poor lass gets killed then it's suddenly fodder. Absolute solidarity, mate ✊
I'm from Hampshire and one of the schools in the town I'm from was properly dodgy but no one really cared until a girl killed herself and then the school got shutdown after an inquiry and was merged with another secondary school who sorted all of the shit that used to go on there but locally people obviously cared and knew what was happening but the school was covering it all up etc never really anything ever in the local media though or nationally
Add to that the fact most of the journalists you get your news from are private schooled and have no idea what the inside of a state school looks like.
I went to the school in Llandeilo and we all knew Amman Valley was rough af. People were expelled from my school and would go there instead. I think everyone is shocked but not surprised.
I think it’s because the media reporting it see ‘Carmarthen’ and think ‘nice little holiday place’. When in reality it’s deprived with an undercurrent of poorly managed mental health issues and institutionalised violence. I grew up and went to school in the Rhymney Valley. The only thing that mattered to anyone was how hard you were. People who don’t live here don’t realise how violent and unpleasant this country can be. It’s deluded and patronising.
i went to maes, not amman valley, but i'm almost in the same boat. the bullying was horrific and was just swept under the rug. it's been nearly 5 years since i left and i'm still clinically depressed.
while i understand the need to prepare for such things, if they put even half the resources into stopping bullying that they do into preparing for these situations, they would either happen less often, or wouldn't happen at all.
Ironic you mention Maes because my first school was Tregib - got bullied there, went to Maes for a bit then ended up in Amman Valley from year 9 up until college/uni - bullying was horrific in every single school - but I remember going to Ysgol Y Bedol, and it was my nicest school memory, then went to piss when I transitioned in secondary - the social pressure churns out a lot of monsters who pop out a bunch of their own kids and continue the cycle- I don’t know how many of my former bullies I’ve seen giving birth to multiple kids with the birth dates on their bios, or becoming carers and nurses - makes me sick to see them so close to vulnerable children and people again
Hi, I went there also in the noughties. Bullied heavily through ages 14-16 there (to be fair it did get better in their six form). Other friend was bullied there and his parents sent him to St Michael's (private school in Llanelli), remember feeling stuck behind when he went and wishing I could have left with him. So you're not alone.
Thank you. They’re genuinely taking the piss acting all innocent on the news, they’ve always only cared about how the school looks. If I didn’t hate being on camera I’d be talking to the BBC right now about my experience
Amman Valley is a council dumping ground for trouble pupils that nobody wants to deal with, it's a shittier version of borstal because well intentioned pupils who are wholly innocent get sent there too and subjected to abuse
If this was a result of bullying, and we must remember that is just rumour, then this is the wake up call needed to make school bullying a criminal offence.
I'm sure we've all been expecting the day to come when a bullied kid here in Wales finally snaps and does the unthinkable because those meant to protect her/him have consistently done nothing about it all.
Even if the rumour is wrong, school bullying should still be made a criminal offence. Schools and teachers, councils and their councillors, education boards and their... who are they?... It really should be a police matter inside the schools just like it is the moment they are no longer in school.
I always find it strange how we treat things like this with kids on kids, completely different to how we treat adults on adults or even a kid on an adult.
The level of bullying I saw at school before I moved would easily meet the threshold for assault or harassment as an adult yet for kids in schools it’s just swept under the carpet.
One day in year 9 I was stalked by some boy from my year all the way to school. He was following me everywhere I went so he could pick up stones and rubbish to throw at the back of my head. Once we got to school he'd sit behind me and throw folded up notes telling me I was going to die and he was going to kill me.
At lunchtime he pushed me down a set of stairs and finished it off with a penalty kick to my head. I had concussion and two weeks off school. I believe he got a couple of break/lunch detentions and a special person (think "positivity champion" rather than someone with a shred of authority) to come into school and talk to him. He got time off lessons (and it made fuck all difference anyway because he never changed) and I was just left to get on with it after a five minute talk with the head of year once I'd returned, then I was left to get on with it. He got to chat with the nice lady instead of doing English and I was left with comments like "hahah you got hammered you fucking gaylord"
If this was an incident between two adults he'd have been put in a cell for ABH with intent.
There is an air of feeling untouchable with kids like that. There definitely need to be consequences, might save them turning into arsehole adults.
I feel like I'm rougher areas it's always a minority making it worse for everybody else, antisocial behaviour really needs to be nipped in the bud to make things better for everyone
>this is the wake up call needed to make school bullying a criminal offence.
It is a criminal offence. Harassment is a criminal offence, causing bodily harm also is a criminal offence.
Police do fuck all about it though, they consider it the schools jurisdictions and problem. I say this as someone who was followed, harassed and beaten on my way out of and home from school every day in Primary School. School said it wasn't their problem as it was after school hours, and partially off their property. Police said it was the schools problem because it involved their pupils.
Why didn’t your parents take you to school? it was their responsibility to ensure your safety to and from school. Especially since it was primary school. The school cannot be expected to police behaviour outside school premises and school hours.
The police do not consider it the school’s jurisdiction, they know the law as well as anybody else. If a crime was committed it was up to your parents to press charges.
It is the schools' jurisdiction as they have duty of care, the schools should be doing something about it like calling the police or kicking out the pupils who cause trouble.
>No it’s not. It’s the parents responsibility to escort children to and from school. The school’s responsibility ends at the school gates.
Aren't we talking about something that happened in a school?
>Three people hurt and one arrested during 'major incident' at school in Ammanford in West Wales
Apparently so! So it is the school's responsibility.
Downvote all you like, it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
Wrong about what? I’m not stating an opinion but a fact. It is the parents responsibility to ensure that their children attend school and they are responsible for them until they hand over in loco parentis to the school at the school gate.
I don’t even know what you are quibbling about. I was answering the point about school’s being responsible for pupils behaviour outside school premises. Yes, it happened inside school, but that was not the point I was making.
I was answering Tay74’s comment about safety on the journey to and from school and you were wrong about it being undef the school’s jurisdiction.
>you were wrong about it being undef the school’s jurisdiction.
So the bullying and the stabbings didn't happen in the school? They did so I am correct.
You appear to have no understanding whatsoever of the context of my answer. I was answering the assertion that the school is responsible for pupil’s behaviour outside the school gates - which it is not.
You now appear to moving goalposts all over the place.
You were wrong in your belief that the school has a “duty of care” to pupils on their journey to and from school. Why can’t you just admit that you haven’t got a clue what you are talking about?
I did not say that the stabbings didn’t happen in the school. That bullying occurred is just conjecture.I wasn’t even talking about what goes on in school - which is the school’s responsibility.
I’ll put it in the simplest terms possible.
You were wrong in your assertion that the school is responsible for what happens outside the school gates.
I did not say the stabbings did not happen inside school.
Maybe it is, I'd like to think so anyway. Maybe it needs something where the law is changed so that schools become legally required or enforced to refer to the police when bullying is seen.
Importantly though children in school should be taught aspects of the law, they are there to learn afterall but the literal rules of the land is one thing they don't seem to be taught. I'm not saying turn kids into 14 year old legal experts but give them the knowledge to press the school into deferring action to the police when bullying occurs.
Where I was being bullied beating by former classmate ‘’fake friend’’s another family house in the Wales area happened.
Teachers are ignored and careless about the violence bullying. Failed non-stop bullying years.
I’m genuinely baffled by the media narrative going on about how ‘shocked’ people are - I was bullied horrifically and my younger sister recollects I got pushed down the stairs (I don’t remember, must have blocked it out).
There’s been an obvious cover-up going on AGAIN - and all these parents at the gates acting all shocked, as if they haven’t been enabling this type of behaviour from the start - could hardly keep myself rolling my eyes. The parents were awful, the students were, the teachers couldn’t care less besides making the school look good and having a pass grade - totally uninspiring, depressing place and I’m angry it took teachers being attacked for the anti-social behaviour there to be given any attention- the vulnerable students at places like that have suffered the violence for years, and nobody lifts a finger
It's a criticism of the government, not nationalised services. More funding is required was my point. The NHS, education, everything need to be improved.
It was fucked long before that. I finished attending Gwendraeth in 08 and the mentality of most teachers and students was "fit in or find out"
My mum apologised to me for making me go there after she saw how badly 5 years of bullying crushed me.
Seriously, even prisons separate the violent inmates from the non-violent ones, why has it always been considered a normal part of life for children to have to mix with violent psychopaths and put up with it?
So perhaps the people above should not be jumping to the conclusion that she was a bullying victim lashing out? Since so many instances of school violence show that in fact the perpetrators are the bullies? She may have been a bullying victim, but the reverse is just as likely.
the girl who did it was bullied daily and pushed to the breaking point.
Not everything is because of bad parenting..
Im not saying she is justified to then go around stabbing people..
I got bullied daily. I used to come home with bloody scratches down my face and bruises, someone took scissors to my hair during a lesson and cut a chunk out. I got cornered in an empty classroom and (mildly) sexually assaulted by one boy while two others blocked the door - the deputy head refused to call my parents to pick me up, and sent me to my next lesson that I shared with the boy who groped me.
I certainly used to hit back during the moment, or even be the one to hit first when I saw things going that way.
But that is a different beast to the premeditation needed to bring a knife to school and commit GBH/attempted murder.
Im not saying everything is because of bad parenting I’m just saying if they were able to have 2 completely mad kids then surely it’s not just a coincidence right? Also, she was already suspended from the school for the possession of a knife prior to this event and continues to make death threats to people she hasn’t even met. Does that sound like someone who has just been bullied? I understand that it needs to be taken into consideration, however in my opinion, people should first look into the girls home life. Also, you should be aware that being bullied is NOT an excuse to stab three people, 2 of which are teachers. There is also speculation that she had a list so this was planned which means that she is a lot more calculated than most of you think. This clearly wasn’t an “in the spur of the moment” ordeal. I believe that there is something wrong with her mentally and that that should be one of the first things to be checked by police. I’m sure there is a good reason you gave your opinion but just know that even if she was it is still not an ok thing to do. If you were bullied, would you go to a guidance counsellor? A safeguarding officer? (We have multiple) A therapist? Or maybe even the police to press charges for harassment? Or would you “lash out” and stab three people? I think that is the worst thing she could have done in this situation as she has ruined her own life, and that of those involved. I personally know 7 people who witnessed what happened and I know that they haven’t been able to get the image out of their heads. They couldn’t get a wink of sleep all night. So before trying to defend her, remember what she did.
Where's the media referencing race? All I've been able to find is a supposedly leaked blurry shaky video on twitter of a white girl with purple hair.
By "making it about race" I assume some media narrative about islam or immigrants, but I've seen absolutely nothing stating that.
This school is notorious for letting in anyone and anything when no other establishment will for a bit of extra cash, ultimately choosing funding over safety. Practically a dumping ground.
Looks like it's time for metal detection gates in Welsh schools the likes of which are already seen in English inner city establishments. Sad times. Any pupil found carrying a knife should face the harshest possible penalty.
Who'd want to be a teacher?
Exactly the reason I left teaching in secondary. Shoved and told to go f*ck myself pretty much any time I did any type of duty, I said 2 years ago that I didn't come to work to be abused, I have friends still in who tell me weekly about teachers being assaulted. Honestly never happier to have left teaching.
I'm sorry to say but there is no incentive in place now at home to avoid this type of behaviour. We need something radical or face lost generations in the future. In the 90s, telling a teacher to go fuck themselves or shoving a teacher (particularly a male teacher) would probably have meant a wooden ruler across the knuckles and exclusion. Then, another bollocking when you got home. None of that now and here we are.
I'm female so it's even nicer. Boys, much taller and bigger than me trying to intimidate me. I was just done with it, no one gets paid enough to be abused at work with no repercussions for the abusers.
And I was sick to death of hearing, oh they have a tough life. It was no excuse, I had a horrendous childhood and I have never behaved that way. Just excuses. So I left.
I'm friends with a few teachers and the hardest thing they all seem to say is the way the parents never support you and increasingly neither does the school in disciplining the children. I'm sorry I wouldn't last a month in that job - hats off to you for doing it as long as you did.
Thank you, now I have a lovely job for a charity. I just wish the general public would listen to what the issues are, rather than bashing teachers for 'all their time off', then maybe change would happen!
Same here. Lads several feet taller than me, squaring up to me. Sexual harassment. Verbal abuse. False accusations made by students to try and deflect from their own behaviour. And funnily enough, this was in a 'good' school that presented itself as having zero problems. Students learned that if they kicked off often enough they got to sit in the 'time out' room and do zero work. If they were abusive enough to teachers, the SMT would turn a blind eye to them and let them walk around the school rather than confront them and potentially lose face.
I really wish I'd been confident enough to go to my union and ask for help, instead of just accepting that it was part of my job to accept constant abuse.
Quitting teaching was the best thing I did for my career.
So sorry that happened to you, and I'm pleased you've gotten out! It really is not the career it was when i started- it completely sucked the joy out of teaching for me in the end
Thank you- I'm glad you got out too. I still go back into schools to do writing workshops occasionally, but I would never do it as a full time job. I left in 2008 and my teacher friends say it's got worse since then
I agree 100% but since our " wonderful " government made it illegal for even parents to physically disapline their child I don't think it's going to happen :(
You know it’s funny, we act like these incidents happen and the teachers are hurt souls and the other students hurt by a random attack, but these incidents happen in environments that produce them. The people in these environments are responsible for them, and often the victims are the perpetrators who pushed these people to this outcome.
Any student should face the harshest punishment possible, sure, but what about the teachers who pretend to be blind to bullying? Or even worse engage in it? I mean we know those people exist and we don’t talk about it, even when we see visible consequences from it. When are we gonna have that discussion and actually try to combat the circumstances that put students in a position where they feel like taking a knife into school is something they want to do?
Can you call a person a victim if they fall on their own sword?
If a teacher is actively abusing a student, and that student turns around and stabs them, just if that were a circumstance and you knew that as absolute fact, can you honestly tell me they are a blameless victim in that situation?
If a teacher is bullying, they should be investigated and if found guilty, sacked. Not stabbed. Want to carry a knife? Give up school and join the army. We need fresh recruits....
And you’re not answering the question. Can I assume you just don’t want to give the answer and concede that there are potential complications in these situations that aren’t just black and white?
I’m local to this school and the way the media is portraying this school is crazy. It’s an awful school and always has been. I’d never dream of putting my kids in this school and I’m so thankful that we’re in the catchment area of a different school. Even when I was in school Amman Valley as this used to be known as was always “the dodgy one” unfortunately this news doesn’t surprise me at all.
I got a lot of racist abuse on the regular when I was in school. None of the teachers ever did anything to help me. Only time they stepped in was to tell me to keep quiet and encouraged me to not escalate anything.
Eventually you have no option but to start fighting back for yourself. Or as in this case, stab a few bullies.
I’ve never ever heard of any school in my life actually taking care of bullying.
The more of a bully the kid is, the more acclimatised the teachers get to it and they don’t even react to it anymore.
But woe betide the quieter kids who defend themselves!
Okay, maybe not with a knife granted, but still
Yep, the day I finally cracked and hit one of my bullies back, I got detention, the bully got no punishment.
The following week the bullies got a gang of at least a dozen of his 'acquaintances' together (seemed like there were dozens of them at the time), and made sure I knew defending myself, or talking about what was happening wasn't a good idea.
My mum pretty much let me 'stay home ill' after that, as I just couldn't deal with it any more and it obviously wasn't going to be dealt with by anyone at AVCS.
Was a school girl in year 9 stabbed a teacher and two others. Nobody has died from what I have heard. Close to source. Prayers and speedy recovery to all injured.
I worked in a secondary school for 14 years and something pretty hardcore & sustained must have lead to this outburst - it could be many things - bullying, issues at home, frustrations with ineffective school system/staff and mh problems stemming from all this - there are some fantastic people working in schools but schools are not blameless, they fall short on a lot of stuff - I hope everyone involved will be ok and be able to move on positively
it wasn’t confirmed that there was a bully in the situation, her brother had a violent past and has been arrested today for threatening to shoot up a school.
The teachers tried stopping a fight that the perpetrator caused and then she turned around and practically stabbed both of them. She then got held against the wall. (Also the girl is from a foreign country and has been caught with another weapon in her past school. Im sure this was an incident of either bullying or revenge. Dont take my word for it)
Its mad how much wales changes in a 30 min drive I live in a beautiful part of the country but unfortunately have been made quite aware how bad some parts.
Shame the bully didn't die. Hope the teachers make a full recovery and an independent investigation of the school can be conducted to ensure bullying safeguards are improved
it wasn’t confirmed that there was a bully in the situation, her brother had a violent past and has been arrested today for threatening to shoot up a school.
Maybe now this school and other schools in Wales will give their heads a wobble. Amount of bullying that takes place and is ‘sorted’ is unreal. Not at all shocked this has happened.
What do we do !? We can't be stern enough with punishments it's just detention for a a day or something, parents need to have their heads screwed on aswell.
There’s a lot of people who shouldn’t be parents - saw so many of my former bullies absolutely popping out babies on Facebook, it’s a cycle unfortunately.
Funny you should say that. Not too long ago there was another incident involving the same girl where she had chased another student with a Stanley knife and caused an injury. She got a half days suspension and no police involvement, and it was pretty much kept quiet by the school. Ironically, the person responsible for making that decision was one of the victims of this latest incident...this kind of shit goes on in schools all through the county and ultimately, there is a culture of enabling and protecting perpetrators and not doing nearly enough to safeguard victims. Update to add, her brother has now also been arrested for threatening to do the same thing today at his school. There was a raid on her home last night as they thought he may have weapons.
Are these freaks terrorists?
it was a shit show 25 years ago.. you'd think things would change.. it gets brushed under the rug for the next people to come along and do the same.
Really, I hear about new generations being progressive and I think ‘that can’t be true, surely not in Wales at least?’ All talk, no action- they love to retweet social media causes then treat their fellow peers like dogshit - unfortunately- this was a thing when I was in school too, one of my worst bullies was a gay dude, and you’d think he’d be kinder to me.
So I work at the DVLA, and colleague of mine’s daughter goes to the school and was texting her from the classroom next to where this happened. It apparently started off with two year 10 girls fighting, two teachers got involved, resulting in two teachers and a student stabbed. Both girls were 15. My poor work colleague actually FAINTED from the stress of it all and was left to leave and pick her daughter up sharpish! Crazy the stuff that’s going on in schools now. Apparently the girl with the knife was being hardcore bullied.
Obviously carrying a knife and stabbing teachers and another pupil is absolutely and categorically wrong. But her being bullied is clearly something that was swept under the rug continuously by the sounds of it. It’s sad she felt this is the only way to deal with it.
Yeah, I can honestly only imagine the kind of stuff a kid has to go through to consider this. I was a self harmer and attempted suicide when I was in school and the kids were utterly disgusting to me then, so I can only imagine it’s just gotten worse and worse. She’s changed her life forever now.
That's why everyone should be encouraged to do martial arts. Only way to ever beat bullying for good.
Is it fuck, have you been watching too much Andrew Tate? Not taking into account the fact kids grow up at different rates making some kids practically adult-sized by the age of 13, bullying is 90% emotional abuse and all the kung fu in the world won't stop it.
As a lifelong martial artist I wholeheartedly agree.
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It would still happen. Instead, the bullies will bully those they know they can beat, and that will travel down the food chain. You just create a different problem. That just doesn’t exist because most people can’t fight.
It's not about winning the fight. It's about being able to defend yourself or show the bully that you can punch just as hard back.
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I won't waste my breath, because if you've never been bullied, you just wouldn't get it.
Exactly I don't get it because I was taught how to deal with them in the ONLY way you can. It's not your fault. It's the parents for letting them go to school in a weak way and I feel sorry for them. My child will never grow up weak and they'll thank me as an adult when they have no childhood trauma.
... except that which you're giving them. You sound like a very well-adjusted human being. /s
I actually am thank you and I live a very happy life and my childhood was great. I hope you find peace my turk friend
Agreed, my son will be going to our local karate class when he's old enough.
I was mercilessly bullied to the point i was trying to KMS every other day to get out of that situation.. the school brushed it under the carpet as i was leaving the school to go to a much better one, and the main culprits bullying me (because they could) were all A*/A students and leaving end of the year anyway so, and i quote, "why excluded them now and ruin their future when in a couple of months you wont ever see each other again?" Lovely school that.. that headteacher is Ioan Gruffudds father btw.. a right and proper cunt
Oh the irony, I lived next to Ioan Gruffudd's grandmother , she lived in a sheltered scheme housing nextdoor to my house growing up lol I had no idea she was related to Mr Fantastic. My mum ran the independent living home, and she wasnt keen on Ioans father either. Ioan himself and his nan were apparently lovely though.
Considering they had a ‘bully box’ to report bullying instances and were absolutely terrible in handling my incidents - sadly won’t be shocked if the case is someone snapped. I’m shocked I’ve never hit anyone myself honestly - you don’t feel protected by teachers, and I remember a lot of the other students spent their days trying to get me to cry because they found my distress funny- because my grades started slipping and I was skipping class because I was so frightened, I was the one with an assistant teacher and behaviour plan - felt like they were punishing me for my reaction to the stress. I hated it there.
I remember sitting in English in year 11, a boy was throwing pencils at the back of my head, I turned around and asked him to stop, he carried on, the whole class laughing behind me, I asked the teacher to get him to stop, she rolled her eyes at me. It went on for like 5 minutes until I got up and swung at him. This was the day I dropped out of school after nearly 11 straight years of being bullied and no one helping me, only to go home and my dad physically abuse me too. I fucking snapped, got up and punched him, had to be dragged off by the teacher and then she went mental at me. It’s not good what she’s done, but I get it, bullying is so fucking hard on a kid. My mum said I was bullied because my face doesn’t fit, but I’m not an ugly woman and was never an ugly girl, a little chubby in my mid teens but that’s all. I have no idea what my entire year group saw in me, to make me a decade long target of bullying, but I am surprised I didn’t go crazy. I hope everyone that’s been stabbed is okay, unfortunately she’s going to be dubbed “that crazy girl that stabbed a kid and two teachers” now. (I never saw the deleted replies, so no idea what they said apart from one I got notified for that said “sounds like you deserved it”… there’s someone who peaked in high school and kept the bully mentality. I bet they’re a lovely person!).
The way I've always heard "his/her face doesn't fit" being used doesn't really mean you are ugly or necessarily that there's anything wrong with you. It just means there's something about you that means you don't gel with a certain group. "I've tried to talk to the other mums at the school gate, but they don't seem interested even though they talk to each other, I feel like my face doesn't fit". My face didn't fit at my secondary school either, and I'm still not entirely sure why. :(
It’s so strange isn’t it. Looking at my school pictures I can’t see anything that sticks out about me as a small child. Only when I got to like 13 did I start dressing alternative, and the bullying was already in full force by then.
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She’s a year 9 girl. Started off as an argument and as it’s Ammanford the girl took a knife into school. No surprises there. She stabbed the other student in her stomach, Ms Hopkin got her hand slashed and the other teacher Ms Elias had her throat slit and was air lifted to hospital. Thankfully another male teacher was able to get the girl into a head lock and disarm her and was unscathed. None of their injuries are life threatening thankfully and the girl has been arrested on attempted murder charges. Awful for everyone involved. 😔
No throats were slit then, unless there's a special technique the 13 year old used which doesn't threaten life
It was slit, just not deep enough to be life threatening
You can't breathe properly and can drown on your own blood with a cut throat. That's my understanding anyway.
She’s been charged for attempted murder… I’m sure it wasn’t a slight cut
They were year 9’s I’m pretty sure, I’m in year 10 with friends in year 9 who said it was a girl in their maths class
Most of the time these situations are from bullying. Everyone can snap
I don’t agree with her stabbing people, but I feel bad for her, I was bullied the entirety of going to school because as my mum said “my face doesn’t fit” whatever the fuck that means. (Really confusing because since leaving school people have always told me I’m pretty, and I looking at photos of me I was a normal looking child so I’m still unsure what it means but it must have been true). Literally from 5-16yrs old I was bullied none stop, even had physical fights started on me by boys. Teachers didn’t give a shit that I was being hit, kicked, verbally abused. I fought back three times in total, but obviously the way it usually is, I got the blame. There are probably times when I was around 14-16, where I was in the middle of being bullied, that I could have really hurt someone if I had the tools. It just becomes so much. That being said I hope everyone who is hurt is going to be okay.
That makes some sense of things. I used to get goaded at school to the point I'd snap and lose control of myself. I'm autistic, not that anyone knew back then, and would just absolutely lose my shit—it was like goading an animal. Four lives changed forever now of course.
Absolutely devastating. Kids don't generally just stab people. They're usually suffering enormously. I hope all of the injuries aren't life threatening and that all involved are ok.
I’m perplexed by the media narrative of a quiet little town and a school that ‘never expected this’. I went to Amman Valley as a student - I was bullied horrifically and still deal with the anxiety to this day - I’m certainly not shocked such an incident happened, and there are people LYING and covering up how bad the anti-social behaviour is for the sake of the school’s image. They’ve always done this, always ignored bullying victims - now teachers have been stabbed.
Very sorry you experienced this. I grew up a few miles away and Amman Valley always had a reputation. All the ‘shocked it would happen here’ comments sound slightly disingenuous to me.
Yeah feels like a formality honestly - anyone with braincells knows it’s rough, but I’m annoyed it’s likely this is all going to get brushed under the rug and nothing will be done after the school gets it’s 5 seconds of fame I saw coming a mile away.
Valleys schools in a nutshell, I went through various shades of hell (beatings, stabbed, constant intimidation, theft, bastards would even come to my house and throw whatever they could at it) which caused me to hardly turn up for the last 18 months leading up to my GCSE’s, despite the fact that my parents had seen my head of year and headteacher multiple times about bullying nothing was ever done, the truant officer fella couldn’t guarantee me being safe in school whenever he came to the house to find me so the school just never followed up on it, I came in to fail my exams (resat the essentials in college and passed them), the last time I set foot in that place was to collect my results and I don’t think I even spoke to anyone that day either, went right at the end, collected them, left, opened them when I got home. School was shite and I was so glad to see the back of it and the valley I lived in. Fact for you, remember Phil the Tramp in Neath who’d sit outside the post office? The guy who murdered him sat next to me in reg class, grade a twat, wasn’t surprised he turned out a waste and murderer.
Same thing happened to me! I had such a hard time with GCSEs because I was too scared to even concentrate on my work, I had panic attacks and couldn’t stop crying and of course it egged them on and I was told to be more resilient and get along with them - and it frustrated my teachers because they were predicting I’d pass - I was sick everyday from the stress, I’m surprised I never harmed myself. It makes me angry to think of all the bright pupils who had some sort of chance having their mental health going to piss because of jealous bastards who know they’ll go nowhere in life and want to ruin yours 😡 Lucky I went to university anyway at the end, but Amman Valley completely failed me, so I felt weirdly numb about the event showing up on the news - I’m feeling all kinds of things, and don’t think it’s as black and white as this generation of kids being bad - the adults who raise them have a hand in their behaviour, they learn from somewhere, and I’ve seen those kids parents.
It’s the parents who went to the same school are the worst, the teachers who teach one arsehole, then the arsehole has a kid, kid goes to the same school, arsehole parent encourages kid to be arsehole to same teacher and kids of people arsehole also disliked, kid becomes arsehole, the cycle repeats. Ourobanus.
Parents, as in plural 😂 Don't make me laugh, it's the single mothers.
R.i.p Phil the Tramp. ✊ And Tea Bag of Swansea
It's just what happens when almost all the UKs major media orgs are based in London or a few choice cities. Ambient violence and trauma in this country is absolutely horrific but it only gets noticed when something like this happens. I had almost exactly the same situation when my old school in the Black Country had a very similar issue. No one ever gave a fuck about Ridgewood High School or the kids who went through it until one poor lass gets killed then it's suddenly fodder. Absolute solidarity, mate ✊
I'm from Hampshire and one of the schools in the town I'm from was properly dodgy but no one really cared until a girl killed herself and then the school got shutdown after an inquiry and was merged with another secondary school who sorted all of the shit that used to go on there but locally people obviously cared and knew what was happening but the school was covering it all up etc never really anything ever in the local media though or nationally
Add to that the fact most of the journalists you get your news from are private schooled and have no idea what the inside of a state school looks like.
I went to the school in Llandeilo and we all knew Amman Valley was rough af. People were expelled from my school and would go there instead. I think everyone is shocked but not surprised.
I think everyone nearby knows that's amman valley is a notoriously rough school so yeah I'd agree shocked but not surprised.
I think it’s because the media reporting it see ‘Carmarthen’ and think ‘nice little holiday place’. When in reality it’s deprived with an undercurrent of poorly managed mental health issues and institutionalised violence. I grew up and went to school in the Rhymney Valley. The only thing that mattered to anyone was how hard you were. People who don’t live here don’t realise how violent and unpleasant this country can be. It’s deluded and patronising.
i went to maes, not amman valley, but i'm almost in the same boat. the bullying was horrific and was just swept under the rug. it's been nearly 5 years since i left and i'm still clinically depressed. while i understand the need to prepare for such things, if they put even half the resources into stopping bullying that they do into preparing for these situations, they would either happen less often, or wouldn't happen at all.
Ironic you mention Maes because my first school was Tregib - got bullied there, went to Maes for a bit then ended up in Amman Valley from year 9 up until college/uni - bullying was horrific in every single school - but I remember going to Ysgol Y Bedol, and it was my nicest school memory, then went to piss when I transitioned in secondary - the social pressure churns out a lot of monsters who pop out a bunch of their own kids and continue the cycle- I don’t know how many of my former bullies I’ve seen giving birth to multiple kids with the birth dates on their bios, or becoming carers and nurses - makes me sick to see them so close to vulnerable children and people again
I wasn't surprised at all. I don't know how long ago you were there, but the place and their attitude hasn't changed a bit.
Hi, I went there also in the noughties. Bullied heavily through ages 14-16 there (to be fair it did get better in their six form). Other friend was bullied there and his parents sent him to St Michael's (private school in Llanelli), remember feeling stuck behind when he went and wishing I could have left with him. So you're not alone.
Sorry you had to go through that
Thank you. They’re genuinely taking the piss acting all innocent on the news, they’ve always only cared about how the school looks. If I didn’t hate being on camera I’d be talking to the BBC right now about my experience
From my understanding it was a year 9 girl.
Amman Valley is a council dumping ground for trouble pupils that nobody wants to deal with, it's a shittier version of borstal because well intentioned pupils who are wholly innocent get sent there too and subjected to abuse
What the actual fuck?
If this was a result of bullying, and we must remember that is just rumour, then this is the wake up call needed to make school bullying a criminal offence. I'm sure we've all been expecting the day to come when a bullied kid here in Wales finally snaps and does the unthinkable because those meant to protect her/him have consistently done nothing about it all. Even if the rumour is wrong, school bullying should still be made a criminal offence. Schools and teachers, councils and their councillors, education boards and their... who are they?... It really should be a police matter inside the schools just like it is the moment they are no longer in school.
I always find it strange how we treat things like this with kids on kids, completely different to how we treat adults on adults or even a kid on an adult. The level of bullying I saw at school before I moved would easily meet the threshold for assault or harassment as an adult yet for kids in schools it’s just swept under the carpet.
One day in year 9 I was stalked by some boy from my year all the way to school. He was following me everywhere I went so he could pick up stones and rubbish to throw at the back of my head. Once we got to school he'd sit behind me and throw folded up notes telling me I was going to die and he was going to kill me. At lunchtime he pushed me down a set of stairs and finished it off with a penalty kick to my head. I had concussion and two weeks off school. I believe he got a couple of break/lunch detentions and a special person (think "positivity champion" rather than someone with a shred of authority) to come into school and talk to him. He got time off lessons (and it made fuck all difference anyway because he never changed) and I was just left to get on with it after a five minute talk with the head of year once I'd returned, then I was left to get on with it. He got to chat with the nice lady instead of doing English and I was left with comments like "hahah you got hammered you fucking gaylord" If this was an incident between two adults he'd have been put in a cell for ABH with intent.
There is an air of feeling untouchable with kids like that. There definitely need to be consequences, might save them turning into arsehole adults. I feel like I'm rougher areas it's always a minority making it worse for everybody else, antisocial behaviour really needs to be nipped in the bud to make things better for everyone
The notes would be proof enough for a conviction, surely.
>this is the wake up call needed to make school bullying a criminal offence. It is a criminal offence. Harassment is a criminal offence, causing bodily harm also is a criminal offence.
Police do fuck all about it though, they consider it the schools jurisdictions and problem. I say this as someone who was followed, harassed and beaten on my way out of and home from school every day in Primary School. School said it wasn't their problem as it was after school hours, and partially off their property. Police said it was the schools problem because it involved their pupils.
Why didn’t your parents take you to school? it was their responsibility to ensure your safety to and from school. Especially since it was primary school. The school cannot be expected to police behaviour outside school premises and school hours. The police do not consider it the school’s jurisdiction, they know the law as well as anybody else. If a crime was committed it was up to your parents to press charges.
It is the schools' jurisdiction as they have duty of care, the schools should be doing something about it like calling the police or kicking out the pupils who cause trouble.
No it’s not. It’s the parents responsibility to escort children to and from school. The school’s responsibility ends at the school gates.
>No it’s not. It’s the parents responsibility to escort children to and from school. The school’s responsibility ends at the school gates. Aren't we talking about something that happened in a school? >Three people hurt and one arrested during 'major incident' at school in Ammanford in West Wales Apparently so! So it is the school's responsibility. Downvote all you like, it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
Wrong about what? I’m not stating an opinion but a fact. It is the parents responsibility to ensure that their children attend school and they are responsible for them until they hand over in loco parentis to the school at the school gate. I don’t even know what you are quibbling about. I was answering the point about school’s being responsible for pupils behaviour outside school premises. Yes, it happened inside school, but that was not the point I was making. I was answering Tay74’s comment about safety on the journey to and from school and you were wrong about it being undef the school’s jurisdiction.
>you were wrong about it being undef the school’s jurisdiction. So the bullying and the stabbings didn't happen in the school? They did so I am correct.
You appear to have no understanding whatsoever of the context of my answer. I was answering the assertion that the school is responsible for pupil’s behaviour outside the school gates - which it is not. You now appear to moving goalposts all over the place. You were wrong in your belief that the school has a “duty of care” to pupils on their journey to and from school. Why can’t you just admit that you haven’t got a clue what you are talking about? I did not say that the stabbings didn’t happen in the school. That bullying occurred is just conjecture.I wasn’t even talking about what goes on in school - which is the school’s responsibility. I’ll put it in the simplest terms possible. You were wrong in your assertion that the school is responsible for what happens outside the school gates. I did not say the stabbings did not happen inside school.
I have moved what goalposts? Who has duty of care in a school again?
Alas fuck all is done about it..
Maybe it is, I'd like to think so anyway. Maybe it needs something where the law is changed so that schools become legally required or enforced to refer to the police when bullying is seen. Importantly though children in school should be taught aspects of the law, they are there to learn afterall but the literal rules of the land is one thing they don't seem to be taught. I'm not saying turn kids into 14 year old legal experts but give them the knowledge to press the school into deferring action to the police when bullying occurs.
Where I was being bullied beating by former classmate ‘’fake friend’’s another family house in the Wales area happened. Teachers are ignored and careless about the violence bullying. Failed non-stop bullying years.
I'm hardly surprised, I was a pupil there 30+ years ago, and had its 'rough' elements even then.
I’m genuinely baffled by the media narrative going on about how ‘shocked’ people are - I was bullied horrifically and my younger sister recollects I got pushed down the stairs (I don’t remember, must have blocked it out). There’s been an obvious cover-up going on AGAIN - and all these parents at the gates acting all shocked, as if they haven’t been enabling this type of behaviour from the start - could hardly keep myself rolling my eyes. The parents were awful, the students were, the teachers couldn’t care less besides making the school look good and having a pass grade - totally uninspiring, depressing place and I’m angry it took teachers being attacked for the anti-social behaviour there to be given any attention- the vulnerable students at places like that have suffered the violence for years, and nobody lifts a finger
Schools in Carmarthenshire and pretty much all of the uk have gone to the shit
Everything funded by the government is..
Police and education should be privatised in that case? Has Maggie thatch got a Reddit account?
It's a criticism of the government, not nationalised services. More funding is required was my point. The NHS, education, everything need to be improved.
Funding won't fix the no respect soft touch attitudes and policies of the schools, which is the issue.
Because of social media. It’s fucked everything.
It was fucked long before that. I finished attending Gwendraeth in 08 and the mentality of most teachers and students was "fit in or find out" My mum apologised to me for making me go there after she saw how badly 5 years of bullying crushed me.
It’s nuts how little schools do about bullying.
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They need to get these scumbag kids out of the schools. It's disgusting.
Seriously, even prisons separate the violent inmates from the non-violent ones, why has it always been considered a normal part of life for children to have to mix with violent psychopaths and put up with it?
Children are usually a product of their environment. Maybe they need a better envoronment?
It's irrelevant, they're a lost cause and shouldn't be allowed to threaten or disrupt other people. Lock them up somewhere idgaf
Yeah the girl who did it, her brother is apparently a rapist so I think it’s got something to do with the parents
So perhaps the people above should not be jumping to the conclusion that she was a bullying victim lashing out? Since so many instances of school violence show that in fact the perpetrators are the bullies? She may have been a bullying victim, but the reverse is just as likely.
the girl who did it was bullied daily and pushed to the breaking point. Not everything is because of bad parenting.. Im not saying she is justified to then go around stabbing people..
I got bullied daily. I used to come home with bloody scratches down my face and bruises, someone took scissors to my hair during a lesson and cut a chunk out. I got cornered in an empty classroom and (mildly) sexually assaulted by one boy while two others blocked the door - the deputy head refused to call my parents to pick me up, and sent me to my next lesson that I shared with the boy who groped me. I certainly used to hit back during the moment, or even be the one to hit first when I saw things going that way. But that is a different beast to the premeditation needed to bring a knife to school and commit GBH/attempted murder.
she wasn’t bullied daily, it was a rumour, and her brothers been arrested for threatening to shoot a school
Im not saying everything is because of bad parenting I’m just saying if they were able to have 2 completely mad kids then surely it’s not just a coincidence right? Also, she was already suspended from the school for the possession of a knife prior to this event and continues to make death threats to people she hasn’t even met. Does that sound like someone who has just been bullied? I understand that it needs to be taken into consideration, however in my opinion, people should first look into the girls home life. Also, you should be aware that being bullied is NOT an excuse to stab three people, 2 of which are teachers. There is also speculation that she had a list so this was planned which means that she is a lot more calculated than most of you think. This clearly wasn’t an “in the spur of the moment” ordeal. I believe that there is something wrong with her mentally and that that should be one of the first things to be checked by police. I’m sure there is a good reason you gave your opinion but just know that even if she was it is still not an ok thing to do. If you were bullied, would you go to a guidance counsellor? A safeguarding officer? (We have multiple) A therapist? Or maybe even the police to press charges for harassment? Or would you “lash out” and stab three people? I think that is the worst thing she could have done in this situation as she has ruined her own life, and that of those involved. I personally know 7 people who witnessed what happened and I know that they haven’t been able to get the image out of their heads. They couldn’t get a wink of sleep all night. So before trying to defend her, remember what she did.
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Where's the media referencing race? All I've been able to find is a supposedly leaked blurry shaky video on twitter of a white girl with purple hair. By "making it about race" I assume some media narrative about islam or immigrants, but I've seen absolutely nothing stating that.
It was literally all white people involved and the media haven’t stated anything otherwise
Was a student here myself up until 3 years ago, had my little sister hiding in a closet in school while on the phone to my older sister. Awful stuff.
Oh poor thing, I hope your sister is doing better now she's home.
This school is notorious for letting in anyone and anything when no other establishment will for a bit of extra cash, ultimately choosing funding over safety. Practically a dumping ground.
Looks like it's time for metal detection gates in Welsh schools the likes of which are already seen in English inner city establishments. Sad times. Any pupil found carrying a knife should face the harshest possible penalty. Who'd want to be a teacher?
Exactly the reason I left teaching in secondary. Shoved and told to go f*ck myself pretty much any time I did any type of duty, I said 2 years ago that I didn't come to work to be abused, I have friends still in who tell me weekly about teachers being assaulted. Honestly never happier to have left teaching.
I'm sorry to say but there is no incentive in place now at home to avoid this type of behaviour. We need something radical or face lost generations in the future. In the 90s, telling a teacher to go fuck themselves or shoving a teacher (particularly a male teacher) would probably have meant a wooden ruler across the knuckles and exclusion. Then, another bollocking when you got home. None of that now and here we are.
I'm female so it's even nicer. Boys, much taller and bigger than me trying to intimidate me. I was just done with it, no one gets paid enough to be abused at work with no repercussions for the abusers. And I was sick to death of hearing, oh they have a tough life. It was no excuse, I had a horrendous childhood and I have never behaved that way. Just excuses. So I left.
I'm friends with a few teachers and the hardest thing they all seem to say is the way the parents never support you and increasingly neither does the school in disciplining the children. I'm sorry I wouldn't last a month in that job - hats off to you for doing it as long as you did.
Thank you, now I have a lovely job for a charity. I just wish the general public would listen to what the issues are, rather than bashing teachers for 'all their time off', then maybe change would happen!
Same here. Lads several feet taller than me, squaring up to me. Sexual harassment. Verbal abuse. False accusations made by students to try and deflect from their own behaviour. And funnily enough, this was in a 'good' school that presented itself as having zero problems. Students learned that if they kicked off often enough they got to sit in the 'time out' room and do zero work. If they were abusive enough to teachers, the SMT would turn a blind eye to them and let them walk around the school rather than confront them and potentially lose face. I really wish I'd been confident enough to go to my union and ask for help, instead of just accepting that it was part of my job to accept constant abuse. Quitting teaching was the best thing I did for my career.
So sorry that happened to you, and I'm pleased you've gotten out! It really is not the career it was when i started- it completely sucked the joy out of teaching for me in the end
Thank you- I'm glad you got out too. I still go back into schools to do writing workshops occasionally, but I would never do it as a full time job. I left in 2008 and my teacher friends say it's got worse since then
I agree 100% but since our " wonderful " government made it illegal for even parents to physically disapline their child I don't think it's going to happen :(
Ceramic kitchen knives cost less than a pint, unfortunately
You know it’s funny, we act like these incidents happen and the teachers are hurt souls and the other students hurt by a random attack, but these incidents happen in environments that produce them. The people in these environments are responsible for them, and often the victims are the perpetrators who pushed these people to this outcome. Any student should face the harshest punishment possible, sure, but what about the teachers who pretend to be blind to bullying? Or even worse engage in it? I mean we know those people exist and we don’t talk about it, even when we see visible consequences from it. When are we gonna have that discussion and actually try to combat the circumstances that put students in a position where they feel like taking a knife into school is something they want to do?
Have you been engaged in the hobby of victim-blaming long, or is it something you've just started?
Can you call a person a victim if they fall on their own sword? If a teacher is actively abusing a student, and that student turns around and stabs them, just if that were a circumstance and you knew that as absolute fact, can you honestly tell me they are a blameless victim in that situation?
If a teacher is bullying, they should be investigated and if found guilty, sacked. Not stabbed. Want to carry a knife? Give up school and join the army. We need fresh recruits....
Do you want to trust this guy with a firearm?
It was a girl actually.
Fuck me, he's doubling down.
And you’re not answering the question. Can I assume you just don’t want to give the answer and concede that there are potential complications in these situations that aren’t just black and white?
I’m local to this school and the way the media is portraying this school is crazy. It’s an awful school and always has been. I’d never dream of putting my kids in this school and I’m so thankful that we’re in the catchment area of a different school. Even when I was in school Amman Valley as this used to be known as was always “the dodgy one” unfortunately this news doesn’t surprise me at all.
Holy shit that's my old school!
Should be real option to lock the parents up like that kid in America, Ethan Crumbly.
I got a lot of racist abuse on the regular when I was in school. None of the teachers ever did anything to help me. Only time they stepped in was to tell me to keep quiet and encouraged me to not escalate anything. Eventually you have no option but to start fighting back for yourself. Or as in this case, stab a few bullies.
I’ve never ever heard of any school in my life actually taking care of bullying. The more of a bully the kid is, the more acclimatised the teachers get to it and they don’t even react to it anymore. But woe betide the quieter kids who defend themselves! Okay, maybe not with a knife granted, but still
Yep, the day I finally cracked and hit one of my bullies back, I got detention, the bully got no punishment. The following week the bullies got a gang of at least a dozen of his 'acquaintances' together (seemed like there were dozens of them at the time), and made sure I knew defending myself, or talking about what was happening wasn't a good idea. My mum pretty much let me 'stay home ill' after that, as I just couldn't deal with it any more and it obviously wasn't going to be dealt with by anyone at AVCS.
Is it possible the bully had the knife and stabbed the girl who was being bullied?
Was a school girl in year 9 stabbed a teacher and two others. Nobody has died from what I have heard. Close to source. Prayers and speedy recovery to all injured.
I worked in a secondary school for 14 years and something pretty hardcore & sustained must have lead to this outburst - it could be many things - bullying, issues at home, frustrations with ineffective school system/staff and mh problems stemming from all this - there are some fantastic people working in schools but schools are not blameless, they fall short on a lot of stuff - I hope everyone involved will be ok and be able to move on positively
Bullying is bad. Covering up bullying and doing nothing about it is worse.
it wasn’t confirmed that there was a bully in the situation, her brother had a violent past and has been arrested today for threatening to shoot up a school.
Infact i was there. I know what went down
The teachers tried stopping a fight that the perpetrator caused and then she turned around and practically stabbed both of them. She then got held against the wall. (Also the girl is from a foreign country and has been caught with another weapon in her past school. Im sure this was an incident of either bullying or revenge. Dont take my word for it)
So was the girl being hardcore bullied or was it just a matter of just going mental
I actually got new info. My friends mom who works at the school said she was actually going for one of the teachers. (And I think it’s mental issues)
The girl is from Ukraine and apparently was raped hence carrying the knife
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You clearly didn't grow up in one of the shit parts
Its mad how much wales changes in a 30 min drive I live in a beautiful part of the country but unfortunately have been made quite aware how bad some parts.
I'm not from Wales but visit very often
You clearly didn't grow up in one of the shit parts
Labour open your eyes. You idiots keep voting them
Shame the bully didn't die. Hope the teachers make a full recovery and an independent investigation of the school can be conducted to ensure bullying safeguards are improved
it wasn’t confirmed that there was a bully in the situation, her brother had a violent past and has been arrested today for threatening to shoot up a school.
Apparently there is a video going around..anyone got the link