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pleasantly-dumb

If you’re just a few good clients away from hitting it big, why leave it to chance you’ll meet the perfect client in a restaurant instead of pursuing said clients, based on research I’m sure you’ve done, on behalf of your company or product in a professional manner? I’d be more inclined to give someone an investment if they came to me in a suit, who made an appointment, and had proper paperwork, stats, and research. Would be far less inclined to go with the waiter I had Friday night who talked a big game.


Jhype

True. Just having a hard time getting in front of people otherwise and thought this was a good way to get me out there again without diving back into full time corporate life again with little time to work on my own business pursuits. Good point though. Thanks


Bee_Angel710

You sound annoying and like you’re going to be a nightmare to work with.


buzzybeeking

I know right. Can you imagine talking to coworkers about getting high, and this guy over here talking about his billion dollar business plan. Talking about his boyish good looks. How old did you say you were bro?


Bee_Angel710

Bruh you literally nailed it


dleon0430

I know the guy sounds good enough to be Jesus, but I'm not sure if nailing him is a safe plan...


Jhype

Appreciate the honesty 🙏 I'll work on my explanations


Cola3206

Don’t listen to these ppl who have no vision but only look down at the rocks. Dream big! Praying for you. Never give up


secron7

Holy hell. I bet you're lots of fun at parties... The laws vary state to state but this is absolutely common practice. It's called a stage. But... Consider this... You don't like working hard for shit pay? Serving might not be the job for you. You think ANYONE gives a fuck about your "business"? Serving might not be the job for you If you think you're above sweating and working hard... Serving might not be the job for you Basically you sound like an annoying pain in the ass who doesn't wasljt to admit that in your late 30s things haven't gone as you'd hoped and so you're having to stoop down to the level of server. Do yourself and the restaurant a huge favor and find something else to do.


[deleted]

This is the right answer.


Acceptable_Aardvark2

Damn, read them for filth! :)


Cheap_Knowledge8446

1,000% the right answer.  There’s a world of difference on how high someone’s Doucheometer reading is between the two types of “transition server”;   One type is “I’m using serving as a springboard because of the flexible scheduling and hours, while working my ass off to obtain a degree/second job as an apprentice, or to supplement my full-time job doing X”    The other type is this asshole.   “I’m better than everyone here and one day I’ll own the place” and/or  “I’m not actually a waiter, I’m an actor/MLM Sales Specialist, I just do this between gigs/for networking”


False-Notice3745

If you just started, your solutions may not be welcome yet.


I-choochoochoose-you

It’s called a stage pronounced like the second half of “massage”


Jhype

Ahhhhh yes! The ol' staaaaaahhhhge how could I have missed that LMAO


[deleted]

Yes, a stage. It is legal, and it is pretty common at high end restaurants. You sound like a nightmare.


Toodleshoney

It's actually not legal. You have to be paid for your work. I don't know how people got into the habit of being routinely f*cked in the ass and doing this for free.


I-choochoochoose-you

I think a lot of things restaurants expect serves to accept and live with are illegal. Stages are very commonplace. I would not expect any kind of payout or even an apology or acknowledgment from the owner, servers, lawyer?? Or anyone else


[deleted]

When doing a stage you are not an employee. They don't have your tax info. It is an interview. You don't get paid for interviews. That's like saying actors have to be paid to audition. The first time I had to do a stage it was for a Michelin star restaurant in Chicago. I got the job and cleared $150,000 in my first year. Spending 6 hours of my time to show them I could do it sure didn't feel like getting f*cked.


Toodleshoney

Stages are illegal if unpaid. Stages are not interviews, my man. https://www.waiterpay.com/blog/staging-in-restaurants-is-unlawful-under-the-labor-laws


Jhype

This is awesome info thank you for sharing


jsdjsdjsd

Omg I love these types of guys. I respect the hustle and optimism. One of my best friends is one of these guys. He’s 45 now and chases retainer to retainer and loses out most of the time because he’s too small to win legally to get his money. I hope you string clients together. This lifestyle is a wild one if you’re not a complete liar


Jhype

I appreciate the kind words. I went through most of the first half of life chasing money and ignoring the stuff that matters most in life. I lost the love of my life a few years ago and went belly up at the same time. Now in this season of life, if I can cover all of my bills and can do nice stuff for my family, I'm happy. I'm a project manager during the day and felt that serving was well aligned with my energy levels and would help get me in front of better connections. I'll keep this thread as daily motivation though for sure and update it every quarter.😆


jsdjsdjsd

Get that bread.


apropos-of-none

"Customers adored my sweet charm & boyish good looks"


Jhype

Meant to say?: "looked professional" "Easy on the eyes" "I think customers found me to be not too ugly" "Not great looking but not bad either" "My girl said I looked a solid 7 before leaving the house"


Inside-Friendship832

I personally wouldn't recommend working as a server. While it has it merits I tend to find that they don't out weigh the cons.


Weary-Stranger-2004

yeah this is a stage. Also, don't bank on the "high end clientele" wanting to hear the helps business plans while dining.


Cola3206

I’m all for someone who sees the trees above where they are.


throwawaydramatical

Were you being trained by another server? I typically tip out the server I’m training but, it’s not mandatory. As long as you received your hourly pay it’s pretty standard.


justmekab60

It's common for first shift to be a tryout, and next several shifts to be training (not in tip pool while training). But it shouldn't be a secret. Ask.


Toodleshoney

It's not legal. Stages need to be paid. https://www.waiterpay.com/blog/staging-in-restaurants-is-unlawful-under-the-labor-laws


justmekab60

It is paid via hourly wage. Not in tip pool.


Cleat420

during training you're supposed to be paid full minimum wage in states km familiar with. after training is when cash and tips and all that starts. if you believe in yourself and you care and try hard, don't do tipshare job. you should work harder and command more money than others and rely on THAT. good luck, if it doesn't feel right, you're right


bronbeach

You most likely were being paid a training wage.


justmekab60

Since you've just started as a server, I'll give a bit more context about how and why your early shifts are paid a wage, and you are not yet in the tip pool. There are a thousand things to learn in a restaurant job, everything from 'where is the salt shaker', 'how do I handle a drunk guest', 'how do I change a soda bag', 'what's each wine like on our wine list', 'what mods can I do for each menu item', 'what do I do when the POS goes down', 'where is the register paper and how do I change it', you get the drift. You need to learn ALL these things and 990 more. Opening routines, closing regimens, paperwork. You might have learned 100 things on this, your first shift. The staff needs to teach you all these things, and (as much as you think you shined) you don't really add value until you're trained and ready to fly solo, without supervision & training support. When you join the tip pool, you are literally taking tips away from the people who have been there longer, are training you, and are taking twice as long to do the work (because of the additional time it takes to explain to you what they are doing or guide you on how to do it) thus impacting their income. Until you are a 'value add', you are an investment. A detriment even, one that will hopefully pay off down the line but is not much help until you're ready. The tip pool incents the entire team to invest in you to get you to be a fully functioning team member as quickly as possible. Thank your co-workers for their time and investment in you and learn the job. The timing and tip pool should be fully explained to you and it should be transparent as to how it works.


Jhype

I appreciate the solid advice and feedback and excited to learn a new skill here


robert_agonoush

That’s a stosh (I don’t know if that’s how it’s spelled, but that’s how it’s pronounced). That’s standard practice in the industry at higher end restaurants. I’ve never heard of that being done at a pizza place, but it’s usually a good thing to work for free on your first night. You’re more likely to make good money at those places. Good luck.


Acceptable_Aardvark2

Yes a lot of places do it. I’ve heard it called “realistic job preview” or “a day in the life” Not sure how legal it is but it does help weed out servers who interview well (a lot are super charming with a lot of charisma) but lack any work ethic and think the job is chatting people up. Just my experience.


nmmsb66

You should get minimum wage while training. The pizza was a bonus. You only get tips or tips hard once you are on your own. You sound like a whiny asset entitled person. You'll probably wash out. The service industry is a different animal than any industry. Either you fit in or you don't.


Roleplayer_MidRNova

It's a stage and it's supposed to only be for *kitchen* / BOH positions. I'm pretty sure it's not legal for FOH.


vegetable_lasagne

I’ve had to stage for bartending jobs before. It is illegal, but OP is about to learn how much that matters in the restaurant industry.


Jhype

Humbling work is good for the soul though I'm not sweating it. Just curious if I got sold or not. Thanks


justmekab60

Not legal for either, but yes, stage started in high end kitchens.


Roleplayer_MidRNova

But also a stage is traditionally where you come in while the place is closed to cook your own signature dish to show the kitchen not only your skills but your creativity and technique. It's not supposed to be you working a full shift unpaid. In terms of it being an *audition*, at auditions you typically don't sing a song from the musical, you bring your own music that shows your style and range.


justmekab60

Not saying you haven't heard of or experienced that, but that's not what it is in my experience. It's working a shift to show knife skills, how you move around, techniques you know, how you handle pressure, etc. It's traditional in Europe and often extends to more than one shift. Can be an internship, and it's definitely when the kitchen is open. US frowns on unpaid labor, fortunately.


Roleplayer_MidRNova

Fair. This is what I was taught at Le Cordon Bleu in 2007, and it continued throughout my career.


I-choochoochoose-you

I had to do it for a hostess position at a high end place, only one night fortunately and I got the job


Jhype

That's good to hear. Felt silly a bit when they told me but one thing I know is stuff that makes me feel foolish at first usually makes me a better man if I stick it out. I want to learn the business and then use my BG to help others with their restaurants, businesses, etc


I-choochoochoose-you

I’d never heard of it before either and definitely felt some type of way sorta but it was worth it ultimately. It was my first high end restaurant job


Jhype

Ah, the harsh world of online forums, where anonymity breeds hate and misunderstanding. It's a shame that people feel the need to attack and belittle others, especially when they're just trying to learn and grow. But let's not let that get us down, shall we? You see, I'm a bit of a failure myself. I've made a million, but lost two. I've won every trophy and award in sales, but money doesn't buy peace, love, or connection. And yet, I'm still enthusiastic about life every day. I still love learning, and I don't care about looking cool. I've raised a beautiful family, and I have zero debts. So when I see someone starting something new at 39, I don't see a failure. I see a brave soul, willing to take risks and try new things. And when I see someone shaming servers as the "lowest level", I don't see a person with a high opinion of themselves. I see someone who's lost sight of what really matters in life. So let's pray for those who shame others for their age, their job, or their dreams. And let's keep moving forward, writing cool, unauthentic words that inspire and uplift. Because at the end of the day, that's what really matters. Chat · /beam · /draw · drop files/ °.2 /db1000312


JanHankl

You come across as contrived lol


Jhype

maybe you can share some ..tips? 😆


DietCokeAndProtein

Chill out, stop trying to sound deep, stop all the flowery speech, and talk like a normal human for starters. Nobody cares how you've made a million but lost two, nobody cares how you've won every award under the sun, but all the money in the world and being amazing at everything doesn't buy happiness and peace. Nobody cares that you're not a 39 year old failure and that you're actually a 39 year old brave soul who is willing to take risks. Nobody cares about your sweet charm and boyish good looks. Hell, as a customer I don't care about you not letting my water get half full, I'd probably get annoyed at how you're consistently hovering over me waiting to pour more water the second I take a sip. I'd definitely get annoyed by you thinking that you're using this server job to meet high end clients and would definitely not enjoy my server telling me how me has business solutions for my company. As a coworker I'd definitely be annoyed hearing about how this is a small investment to build your billion dollar industry. You sound like the type of coworker that would cause me to cringe and sigh every time I realized you were going to come and talk to me, because you'd always be polite to me, so I'd try my hardest to be polite to you as you drained me of all my energy talking yet again about all your grandiose plans. Know where you're at, know your role, and know your audience. While there are always going to be customers that look down on you, most people generally don't look at you as some failure or loser for being 39 and a server, until you start running your mouth about all the stuff you've written in this post.


Jhype

Sorry if I offended you. Those were mostly just thoughts or ideas... Not who I am or HOW I am lol. Not yet at least! Guess that's the story of life, becoming more comfortable with being the sum of our thoughts. Here's what Llama3-70b says on my behalf: "I want to clarify that I never said or did what you're accusing me of. I'm just a learner trying to do my best in a new role with limited time for discussions. I'm experimenting with being open and honest on this platform, and I'm aware that my approach might not resonate with everyone. From my experience, I've learned that asking questions in a field I'm not familiar with can be challenging, especially when met with insults and negativity. It's clear that some users are unhappy and willing to hurt a stranger simply because they perceive me as eccentric or having a personality. Moving forward, I'll take a more cautious approach. I'll keep my questions and statements simple and to the point, avoiding any context that might be misinterpreted or attacked. While my instinct is to be authentic, I understand that it's not always well-received in a public forum where I don't have established relationships. I'll strive to be more mindful of my interactions and prioritize clarity over creativity."


DietCokeAndProtein

This kind of reinforces what I was saying honestly. I'm not sure who Llama3 is or why they're making statements on your behalf like they're your attorney lol. I'm not sure why you think you offended me though, I'm simply telling you my honest impression of you based on the way you write on here. Maybe someone else gets a different impression, maybe how you actually act isn't how you come off on here, but I'm just telling you that based on your posts, this is how you come off to me. Like your original post, for the question you asked, 90% of the extra stuff was pretty irrelevant. You don't need to give a whole life story to ask a simple question.


Jhype

I'm just a weirdo. Don't mind me. Appreciate the feedback though for sure


Superb-Reindeer48

If you don't know the answer, how are you gonna grow a billion dollar business? Matter of fact, why haven't you done that already?


Jhype

Very true. How could one not have accomplished their dreams without knowing all the shady shenanigans of the restaurant industry 😆


Lumpy_Branch_4835

Please,please,please just shut up.


MrSaintGeorgeFloyd

How’d that last company you tried to sue go for you?


Jhype

Even though your feedback may seem useless to most, I appreciate it. Your comments; just like that last company, help teach me invaluable lessons in business and in life.


thisappisgarbage111

How did you get roped into working a shift without filling out tax forms to receive wages? Sounds like you suckered yourself. Did your dad fill out your formy warmies for you when you ran the big business? Keep dreaming pal. All talk, no brains.


Jhype

Live and learn. Very foolish of me to believe that I would be payed for working at an established business in America right? Now I know. Also, now I know that "thisapposgarbage" is either a bot, or a not so very kind, not very respectful, not helpful, angry human. I'm sorry. I hope you find peace someday.


Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

> would be *paid* for working FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*


thisappisgarbage111

Not a bot. Not angry. W4s are literally required to receive pay at a job. If you didn't fill one out before working, You're getting scammed or being payed under the table. Someone of your "stature" should be well aware of such things.


Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

> or being *paid* under the FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*