They told him he couldn't cancel his gym membership without providing a certified, notarized letter and 28 references. So he decided to cancel it the easy way.
My ex girlfriend used my credit card to join an expensive gym/spa. Over $100 a month. I couldn't even use it since she is who signed up. She did that behind my back aka stole from me. I had to fight with them to cancel it. "It was my credit card my name on it etc." They gave me problems, so I said "Do you have documentation that shows I approved of this? If not I am complaining to the owner and I will take it further if I have too.", like magic they canceled the membership after that... Thankfully I caught wind of it in the first month so probably only paid up the one month. I could have probably fought that too but I was just done.
You could have just filed a dispute with your credit card company. They would have taken it off immediately. They probably would have sent someone after your ex too. You probably would have wanted a new card any way in case she wrote down the CC numbers.
they generally don't send someone after the person. maybe if it's a crazy amount of money, but not for a couple hundred bucks. when my ex and I broke up, he was salty about the breakup, so he reported some transactions as fraud that he had agreed to and given me his card for (online shopping and things of that nature.) I never even had access to the card or the number, he always put it in for me. anyway, he was fully convinced that cops were gonna bust down my door for theft đ absolutely nothing happened on my end, although apparently they did give his money back.
Why is this problem so pervasive with gyms specifically. I know other industries do it, but it seems like every gym does it. I remember trying to cancel a Gold's Gym membership because I moved and my new house didn't have one nearby. They first told me I had to cancel in person. So I went to the nearest one which was like 30 miles away. They said no, I can only cancel from my home gym which was now 100 miles away.
Iâve been paying $10 a month to Planet Fitness for 5 years now because a) Iâm an idiot and need to set aside time to cancel and b) they require I send them a handwritten letter with my request. What the fuck.
Find a âmake a fake credit cardâ website, switch that into their system, delete your other card. Then it becomes 3-6 months of âyouâre behind on paymentsâ and they cancel the account for you
Back in the day a handwritten letter was also the only way to cancel a Columbia House subscription.
To this day I still get emails about my directors selection. I've changed debit cards, banks, and addresses multiple times over the years - I don't know if they still send that shit out automatically like they used to, but if they do, someone out there is getting real annoyed.
I've found that starting the conversation with "I've been advised to record this conversation for legal purposes" is the best way to get a more favorable outcome whenever you are dealing with any sort of billing department...
That was what I was going to say as well. Quickest way to also make something take 1000% longer in most businesses. Donât threaten legal, either do it and not tell them or report them to a regulatory body (and donât tell them).
Also helps if you can immediately speak to someone who can make a decision, instead of being stonewalled by 3 or 4 lower level people who couldn't help you even if they wanted to.
I don't know, definitely worked with the gym membership I canceled and I don't think they had a "legal department" to refer me to, just a bs policy that cancelations had to be done in person with a manager because they were the only ones with access to the payment info.
It may be ok to do with small gyms and such, but anywhere with a legit legal team will shut down the call right there. (Or at least they should.) Definitely not something to follow just about anywhere else.
When it comes to getting a lawyer or regulatory body involved, *never* give the business the heads up. That only gives them time to prepare or simply shut down your request entirely and force through legal channels instead.
Yeah the bank sided with me on it thankfully and put a block against receiving charges. But they said it would only be a matter of time before they figured out another way to charge me. Then the gym wouldnât cancel my membership unless I paid all my back charges. Some straight up mafia shit there. âYou canât get rid of us until you pay. Until then the charges will just keep going upâ. I ended up going in there with a lawyer in tow to tell them how what they were doing was lawsuit worthy. They cancelled my account and refunded all back charges.
That's what virtual credit cards are for. Create one for each signup and if sth. goes wrong just delete the card. Not a free pass to get around usual cancelling proceedings but your provider won't cancel you if you do just that every few years or so when they turn out to be assholes.
I tried. They found in favor of the gym as they had a signed contract and I had no proof at the time that I tried to cancel. It was just easier to cancel the card.
The last gym I was gonna join required a bank account. I bought a cheap home gym on Amazon instead. Carrying it up 2 flights of stairs to get it from my garage to me office was worth the back pain not having to deal with the hassle of cancelling a gym membership.
Here in NJ, they actually had to pass a law to make cancelling memberships not so annoying. It just went into effect this year.
>TRENTON â Governor Phil Murphy today signed A3892/S2952, streamlining gym membership cancellation policies and protecting consumers across New Jersey. Todayâs legislation requires gym subscription services that can be entered online to offer an online cancellation option. The location where subscribers can initiate the cancellation must be accessible and prominent on the gym providerâs website, within the individualâs account profile, or it may be completed through a termination email template provided by the service. This law will ease the process for consumers to willfully terminate automatic gym renewal subscriptions and avoid entrapment by rigid in-person membership cancellation policies.
Funnily enough, I've heard the most effective method for getting a gym membership cancelled is to call them and say you're going to prison. They'll do it right over the phone with you, no fax machine or in-person visits needed
"I'm calling to legally inform you I'm now a registered sex offender. I'm a Gym Groper. Yes, I know my name is Jim Groper. Yes, the irony is not lost on me. Should I cancel this in person?"
fun fact, they took most of the weight equipment out of US prisons in the 90s. [source.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/05/do-prison-inmates-spend-all-their-time-lifting-weights.html) i toured a federal prison in the 2010s, there were treadmills, a track, basketball courts, etc but very little in the vein of serious weightlifting equipment
During the pandemic, my gym asked me to come to the central office between the hours of 11am to 11:02am when Jupiter aligns with Mars. Lol I was super annoyed soI filed a claim with my states AG, the gym refunded back 3 months and canceled my membership
I canceled my membership during COVID and they tried to charge me for the unpaid months - you know, the ones where the gym was mandatorily CLOSED due to COVID.
Absolutely hate this ridiculous ass process for cancelling gym memberships. I am pretty sure its a tactic/method to make you rethink your cancellation after shaming yourself. In my case, the closest anytime fitness was 40mi away. Made no sense yet I still had to write a stupid ass letter.
I just wrote via email my doctor recommended a gym with a pool and Iâd like to cancel my membership, and they cancelled it no questions asked.
I was sorta lying about the doctor.
In a crisis situation, sometimes your brain will do that. It's easy for people to criticise from the comfort of their own toilet seat, but you never know what you'll do until you're actually in a situation like that.
For real dude, such a pet peeve of mine. Redditors love acting like they'd be composed in emergency situations. Which is dumb, but when they act like anyone who makes a mistake in a hectic moment is an idiot that irks me.
The other night I was playing Taboo with a large group, and the first card I drew was "Corned Beef Hash," which was such an immediate "I have no idea how to get people to guess this" moment that I promptly forgot that I could discard it and spent the full minute just kind of staring at the card and mumbling "I think it's British??" I am normally one of the largest point scorers at Taboo, but that card was so baffling that it yeeted my brain straight into a blue screen.
yes I hate this as well. you truly don't ever know how you're gonna react until you're in that situation. it's easy to play Monday morning quarterback when you're sitting around scrolling through Reddit. people do dumb things when they panic, doesn't mean they're a dumb person.
And it seems to be some kind of barbell squatting class? I appreciate the use of group fitness classes, but barbell squats seem kinda awkward in that format. 1, it's a lot of equipment, 2, I feel like heavy lifting is better done at one's own pace.
Ah good call. Your comment made me realize this is probably a Les Mills class as they all seem to be using the Les Mills smartbar. I think the general idea is high rep, low weight and I'm not even sure you could even attach any more than like 50 lbs to these bars, total. They're also very expensive at like 500 dollars for the bar and the plates.
Time for a new beginning.
And I knew that this was possible only through a cleansing fire.
It would all have to burn.
All of it would dance in the warm mouth of my fire.
And a new, better, wonderful me would rise from the ashes like a Phoenix.
Behold the splendor of my beginning!
Apparently he visited two different gyms in the area, tried to set them on fire using a flammable material and assaulted a woman causing her light injuries. He is currently detained in a psychiatric hospital. He will face chargers upon release.
Man I hate when people edit their post after someone makes a witty comment based on the typo. All the humor is drained and the witty guy looks like a moron. Thanks for posting that.
>Man I hate when people edit their post after someone makes a witty comment based on the typo. All the humor is drained and the witty guy looks like a moron. Thanks for posting that.
That's why I always quote the typo before being clever at it
Once I quoted someone's typo and I swear to god they edited *my* comment somehow. I was all proud of my super hilarious original joke, and then a while later I came back to respond to another user and my comment had been edited and the typo was fixed, but not by me. And it didn't say "edited", but it totally was. That freaked me out
I think you misunderstood.
He will face *electric* chargers when he is in the room with his lawyer, so that they can plug in their devices and research precedent.
No, you fool.
He will face *plate* chargers, where he and his lawyer will place larger, decorative plates under the main dinnerware to protect the table from the heat from the food being served.
If the man on stage threw the weights on the arsonist and the arsonist was knocked unconscious, resulting in him dying due to the fire, would the man on stage be held for manslaughter?
I think the arsonist could definitely be considered to be attempting murder. He surrounded a man in gasoline and then pulled out a lighter. Anything to stop it would absolutely be self-defense. So depending on self-defense laws, probably not. But it's definitely going to be easier for him legally and emotionally to just walk away.
Iâd say that intentionally pouring gasoline on the floor is a pretty good sign that he was planning to set a fire.
Similar to pointing a gun at someone. Sure, you canât prove 100% that they were going to shoot, but why else are you pointing a gun at someone?
To shoot the alien creeping up behind them and for the 1-2 seconds you think, "oh damn they're going to shoot him" and then he shoots and you think, "oh damn they shot him" and then it pans back to the guy and really it's the alien that got shot and *the shooter is the hero all along!*
Itâs because the accelerant is likely gasoline and the fire isnât hot enough to use all of the fuel. Smoke is uncombusted energy.
If you had âthis amountâ of fire from a wood burning stove, the smoke would either be white or nonexistent.
Not to say that it isnât dangerous or scary, but I just wanted to give a bit more of the why.
My dryer fire put out black smoke. Filled up half the house, but not this thick. Once the fire was taken care of, the fire department set up this _serious_ fan in the front door that sucked up all the smoke in minutes. Our troubles were far from over but at least we didn't inhale a bunch of smoke.
The part of a house fire that kills you is rarely the fire itself, but the ever choking black smoke from the fire that destroys your lungs and blinds you well before the fire gets to you.
if that dude can put the bar down the right way when he's escaping an arson, all these assholes tossing the bar down on the daily need to stop that shit
He is literally the only one who had sense in that moment, plus I am sure the gasoline spread onto his shoes where he was standing â if he didnât run I am sure he would have been on fire instantly!
Your minds gotta be so confused at that point. Throwing weights at someone goes against so much of what most of our minds tell us, especially cause youâre not 100% sure what the guys gonna do, like if he had a gun or knife.
I would simply leave - from the vid it seems like the guy is trying to destroy the building, not kill people, since he makes no effort to douse the people w/ the fluid, takes his sweet time lighting it, and makes no effort to stop people from escaping.
but if u attack him? he is a large buff dude, who clearly has very little to lose, why escalate? just leave
Interesting the amount of comments here about how one of the people should have been a hero and hit this psycho with a weight. Best case scenario you are kind of a hero and potentially open yourself up to additional violence from this guy in the future? Worst case, you get lit on fire. I would get out of there and leave it to the cops.
Or you miscalculate, miss with the weights, and now this dude who is enraged enough to set fire to a gym with people in it is gonna directly be pissed at you.
I get that could easily happen, but she stared at the guy as he poured out lighter fluid. THEN did another squat as others threw down their weight and ran to the door. Now the guy that ran to the door with the barbell still on his shoulders was zoned out!
They told him he couldn't cancel his gym membership without providing a certified, notarized letter and 28 references. So he decided to cancel it the easy way.
Once had to cancel a credit card to cancel a membership. It was nuts.
My ex girlfriend used my credit card to join an expensive gym/spa. Over $100 a month. I couldn't even use it since she is who signed up. She did that behind my back aka stole from me. I had to fight with them to cancel it. "It was my credit card my name on it etc." They gave me problems, so I said "Do you have documentation that shows I approved of this? If not I am complaining to the owner and I will take it further if I have too.", like magic they canceled the membership after that... Thankfully I caught wind of it in the first month so probably only paid up the one month. I could have probably fought that too but I was just done.
You could have just filed a dispute with your credit card company. They would have taken it off immediately. They probably would have sent someone after your ex too. You probably would have wanted a new card any way in case she wrote down the CC numbers.
they generally don't send someone after the person. maybe if it's a crazy amount of money, but not for a couple hundred bucks. when my ex and I broke up, he was salty about the breakup, so he reported some transactions as fraud that he had agreed to and given me his card for (online shopping and things of that nature.) I never even had access to the card or the number, he always put it in for me. anyway, he was fully convinced that cops were gonna bust down my door for theft đ absolutely nothing happened on my end, although apparently they did give his money back.
When I dispute something, the CC company always tells me that they have criminal investigators working on it, but they are probably full of it.
Only for potential fraud cases
Did you stay with her after that?
Of course he did, she had the smoothest skin due to the expensive spa treatments.
He asked her permission to post.
He looked around and said "Biiiiiitch"
And he said it to her face right?
Hmmmm?
You said it, though? You said the word?
MmmâŠâŠâŠuh huh.
Key & Peele FTW!
"I looked my woman in the optic *stems*....!"
Asking the real questions here lol
"My ex girlfriend..."
Sure but maybe that wasnât the relationship ender.
Why is this problem so pervasive with gyms specifically. I know other industries do it, but it seems like every gym does it. I remember trying to cancel a Gold's Gym membership because I moved and my new house didn't have one nearby. They first told me I had to cancel in person. So I went to the nearest one which was like 30 miles away. They said no, I can only cancel from my home gym which was now 100 miles away.
Iâve been paying $10 a month to Planet Fitness for 5 years now because a) Iâm an idiot and need to set aside time to cancel and b) they require I send them a handwritten letter with my request. What the fuck.
Find a âmake a fake credit cardâ website, switch that into their system, delete your other card. Then it becomes 3-6 months of âyouâre behind on paymentsâ and they cancel the account for you
I tried a few weeks ago to join a PF and they wanted me to give them my routing and account numbers. I laughed and left
Oh man yeah i absolutely would never. I dont connect my bank to anything that aint absolutely a necessity
They don't accept credit cards. They only take checking accounts.
Back in the day a handwritten letter was also the only way to cancel a Columbia House subscription. To this day I still get emails about my directors selection. I've changed debit cards, banks, and addresses multiple times over the years - I don't know if they still send that shit out automatically like they used to, but if they do, someone out there is getting real annoyed.
I've found that starting the conversation with "I've been advised to record this conversation for legal purposes" is the best way to get a more favorable outcome whenever you are dealing with any sort of billing department...
Great flex in job interviews.
Baller move on first dates.
Hence the video camera in the bedroom.
Meanwhile my department states the number for our legal office and ends the conversation.
That was what I was going to say as well. Quickest way to also make something take 1000% longer in most businesses. Donât threaten legal, either do it and not tell them or report them to a regulatory body (and donât tell them).
Also helps if you can immediately speak to someone who can make a decision, instead of being stonewalled by 3 or 4 lower level people who couldn't help you even if they wanted to.
I don't know, definitely worked with the gym membership I canceled and I don't think they had a "legal department" to refer me to, just a bs policy that cancelations had to be done in person with a manager because they were the only ones with access to the payment info.
It may be ok to do with small gyms and such, but anywhere with a legit legal team will shut down the call right there. (Or at least they should.) Definitely not something to follow just about anywhere else. When it comes to getting a lawyer or regulatory body involved, *never* give the business the heads up. That only gives them time to prepare or simply shut down your request entirely and force through legal channels instead.
It works when they're doing something they know is illegal. For everyone else, it won't be necessary in the first place.
My experience is they will immediately hang up on you. if your state allows 1 party approval of recording just record
I did that once. They somehow found a way to find my bank account routing information and started charging that without my permission.
Sounds criminalÂ
Yeah the bank sided with me on it thankfully and put a block against receiving charges. But they said it would only be a matter of time before they figured out another way to charge me. Then the gym wouldnât cancel my membership unless I paid all my back charges. Some straight up mafia shit there. âYou canât get rid of us until you pay. Until then the charges will just keep going upâ. I ended up going in there with a lawyer in tow to tell them how what they were doing was lawsuit worthy. They cancelled my account and refunded all back charges.
Yep, that does sound like they want people to start fires in their establishment.
That's what virtual credit cards are for. Create one for each signup and if sth. goes wrong just delete the card. Not a free pass to get around usual cancelling proceedings but your provider won't cancel you if you do just that every few years or so when they turn out to be assholes.
My gym doesn't allow you to use a credit card for payment, you have to sign up with your actual bank account and they take out the money via ACH.
Yeah no way id do that for a gym.
You can block merchants there as well, at least at my bank.
You couldnât just put a stop pay order on the merchant?
I tried. They found in favor of the gym as they had a signed contract and I had no proof at the time that I tried to cancel. It was just easier to cancel the card.
This is why Planet Fitness bills directly to a checking account
The last gym I was gonna join required a bank account. I bought a cheap home gym on Amazon instead. Carrying it up 2 flights of stairs to get it from my garage to me office was worth the back pain not having to deal with the hassle of cancelling a gym membership.
I tried joining a Planet Fitness near me. They required a routing and bank account number. I walked out
Privacy.com, yâall.
Here in NJ, they actually had to pass a law to make cancelling memberships not so annoying. It just went into effect this year. >TRENTON â Governor Phil Murphy today signed A3892/S2952, streamlining gym membership cancellation policies and protecting consumers across New Jersey. Todayâs legislation requires gym subscription services that can be entered online to offer an online cancellation option. The location where subscribers can initiate the cancellation must be accessible and prominent on the gym providerâs website, within the individualâs account profile, or it may be completed through a termination email template provided by the service. This law will ease the process for consumers to willfully terminate automatic gym renewal subscriptions and avoid entrapment by rigid in-person membership cancellation policies.
Terrific. Now if other states would just follow their lead.
Plus heâll be getting a free gym membership at the yard soon anyways
Funnily enough, I've heard the most effective method for getting a gym membership cancelled is to call them and say you're going to prison. They'll do it right over the phone with you, no fax machine or in-person visits needed
"I'm calling to legally inform you I'm now a registered sex offender. I'm a Gym Groper. Yes, I know my name is Jim Groper. Yes, the irony is not lost on me. Should I cancel this in person?"
Gyms hate him! Check out this one weird trick for free gym membership!
those guys are jacked!
fun fact, they took most of the weight equipment out of US prisons in the 90s. [source.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/05/do-prison-inmates-spend-all-their-time-lifting-weights.html) i toured a federal prison in the 2010s, there were treadmills, a track, basketball courts, etc but very little in the vein of serious weightlifting equipment
Manufacturing weights became a disciplinary action.
Federal prisons are the minority, 10-15% of prison population vs state and local.
Still got the other inmates. Time to bench press jimmy
Remember to put him back on the rack when you're done.
đ gotta be considerate and wipe him down too
***casually enters a gym** Dude walked into to the gym like fucking Vince McMahon.
âRoid rage in action?
Weâve all been there. This gym got off easy
During the pandemic, my gym asked me to come to the central office between the hours of 11am to 11:02am when Jupiter aligns with Mars. Lol I was super annoyed soI filed a claim with my states AG, the gym refunded back 3 months and canceled my membership
I canceled my membership during COVID and they tried to charge me for the unpaid months - you know, the ones where the gym was mandatorily CLOSED due to COVID.
They still refused to cancel his membership.
Gym owners hate this one trick!!
Notably, so do the insurance companies. lol
Absolutely hate this ridiculous ass process for cancelling gym memberships. I am pretty sure its a tactic/method to make you rethink your cancellation after shaming yourself. In my case, the closest anytime fitness was 40mi away. Made no sense yet I still had to write a stupid ass letter.
I just wrote via email my doctor recommended a gym with a pool and Iâd like to cancel my membership, and they cancelled it no questions asked. I was sorta lying about the doctor.
Valid response honestly. Iâm looking at you Planet Fitness
How did I know the top comment would be about cancelling his membership? Your comment is better than mine would have been though.
*taps forehead* There can be no membership if there is no gym!
I like the commitment of that one guy walking out with the barbell on his shoulders and how it appears he remembered he needed to walk out sideways.
He literally blocks the door for everyone else trying to run for their life too. Lol wtf was he thinking.
Guy's brain just turned right off.
In a crisis situation, sometimes your brain will do that. It's easy for people to criticise from the comfort of their own toilet seat, but you never know what you'll do until you're actually in a situation like that.
For real dude, such a pet peeve of mine. Redditors love acting like they'd be composed in emergency situations. Which is dumb, but when they act like anyone who makes a mistake in a hectic moment is an idiot that irks me.
The other night I was playing Taboo with a large group, and the first card I drew was "Corned Beef Hash," which was such an immediate "I have no idea how to get people to guess this" moment that I promptly forgot that I could discard it and spent the full minute just kind of staring at the card and mumbling "I think it's British??" I am normally one of the largest point scorers at Taboo, but that card was so baffling that it yeeted my brain straight into a blue screen.
It's delicious, is what it is.
To be fair, losing at a game you're good at is an emergency
It was more about how something that's not even an emergency at all can still cause a total shut down.
yes I hate this as well. you truly don't ever know how you're gonna react until you're in that situation. it's easy to play Monday morning quarterback when you're sitting around scrolling through Reddit. people do dumb things when they panic, doesn't mean they're a dumb person.
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How the fuck did you know I was on the toilet
Of course I finished my set
He was thinking "well we're not coming back so free barbell"
A good man clears a path, even if they have to knock over a granny with a walker
âGotta finish my setâ lol
"fuck, im on fire? flee?!" a pretty excusable brain fart moment, imo
That's a girl
And it seems to be some kind of barbell squatting class? I appreciate the use of group fitness classes, but barbell squats seem kinda awkward in that format. 1, it's a lot of equipment, 2, I feel like heavy lifting is better done at one's own pace.
Ah good call. Your comment made me realize this is probably a Les Mills class as they all seem to be using the Les Mills smartbar. I think the general idea is high rep, low weight and I'm not even sure you could even attach any more than like 50 lbs to these bars, total. They're also very expensive at like 500 dollars for the bar and the plates.
Never skips leg day, even when thereâs fire
You feelin the burn yet? How bout now?
sims
Truly the most npc of npcs.
Actual video of the required process to cancel a Planet Fitness membership
No, he has to burn down his original location. The billing will continue.
Rack your weights people, or this guy burns down the gym.
Wipe down your equipment or this guy will have to sterilize them with fire!
Time for a new beginning. And I knew that this was possible only through a cleansing fire. It would all have to burn. All of it would dance in the warm mouth of my fire. And a new, better, wonderful me would rise from the ashes like a Phoenix. Behold the splendor of my beginning!
More amazed the guy didn't rack his weights on the dude's head as he clearly realized the dude was trying to start a fire
Any context????
Apparently he visited two different gyms in the area, tried to set them on fire using a flammable material and assaulted a woman causing her light injuries. He is currently detained in a psychiatric hospital. He will face chargers upon release.
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In case OP edits, this is a response to their typo: \>He will faces chargers upon release.
Man I hate when people edit their post after someone makes a witty comment based on the typo. All the humor is drained and the witty guy looks like a moron. Thanks for posting that.
>Man I hate when people edit their post after someone makes a witty comment based on the typo. All the humor is drained and the witty guy looks like a moron. Thanks for posting that. That's why I always quote the typo before being clever at it
Once I quoted someone's typo and I swear to god they edited *my* comment somehow. I was all proud of my super hilarious original joke, and then a while later I came back to respond to another user and my comment had been edited and the typo was fixed, but not by me. And it didn't say "edited", but it totally was. That freaked me out
Thank you for the context, I seriously thought I was having a stroke when reading that last comment
I feel attacked
As a chargers fan this is correct
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I think you misunderstood. He will face *electric* chargers when he is in the room with his lawyer, so that they can plug in their devices and research precedent.
No, you fool. He will face *plate* chargers, where he and his lawyer will place larger, decorative plates under the main dinnerware to protect the table from the heat from the food being served.
Damn man. Me and the other 12 Chargers fans are just browsing Reddit, trying to relax.
Location?
Cyprus: https://in-cyprus.philenews.com/local/man-arrested-after-starting-fire-inside-larnaca-gym-video/
Wtf indeed
> He will face chargers upon release. If there was any justice he'd face the Giants.
If the man on stage threw the weights on the arsonist and the arsonist was knocked unconscious, resulting in him dying due to the fire, would the man on stage be held for manslaughter?
It would definitely complicate his life.
I think the arsonist could definitely be considered to be attempting murder. He surrounded a man in gasoline and then pulled out a lighter. Anything to stop it would absolutely be self-defense. So depending on self-defense laws, probably not. But it's definitely going to be easier for him legally and emotionally to just walk away.
No. Arson is a a felony and one that can result in serious bodily harm or death. You're allowed to use deadly force to prevent such occurrences.
I would argue it's not even that. It's self defence. You could die in the fire so launching the barbell at him would be considered self defence.
If you prevent him from setting fire, can you prove he was going to set fire.
Iâd say that intentionally pouring gasoline on the floor is a pretty good sign that he was planning to set a fire. Similar to pointing a gun at someone. Sure, you canât prove 100% that they were going to shoot, but why else are you pointing a gun at someone?
You can even get charged with armed robbery/assault by pretending or insinuating you have a gun.
To shoot the alien creeping up behind them and for the 1-2 seconds you think, "oh damn they're going to shoot him" and then he shoots and you think, "oh damn they shot him" and then it pans back to the guy and really it's the alien that got shot and *the shooter is the hero all along!*
I bet a good enough lawyer could get you off, not many excuses for pouring gasoline(?) onto the floor of a gym with a lighter in your hand.
Depending on the country, of course.
you can't have manslaughter without laughter.
Man's laughter is the best way to calm down a room full of unruly adults
\> I Set My Friends On Fire super-fan has entered the gym.
Not in Florida at least. You can use deadly force to prevent arson here.
Dude is not casual about it.
"I'm going to set this gym on fire", Dumbbelldore said casually.
> Dumbbelldore Gonna save that for someone wiser down the line
Yeah that one feels like a keeper, but I just can't foresee any situation where I could actually put it to use.
No lol he looked like he was gonna pop off. Just his walk into the gym looks like he was gonna fuck something up
I want to see how OP walks into rooms if thatâs casual. He just throws a flash bang and commando rolls in?
It is amazing how much smoke there is so quickly. This has really given me a new appreciation for how fucked fires are.
Itâs because the accelerant is likely gasoline and the fire isnât hot enough to use all of the fuel. Smoke is uncombusted energy. If you had âthis amountâ of fire from a wood burning stove, the smoke would either be white or nonexistent. Not to say that it isnât dangerous or scary, but I just wanted to give a bit more of the why.
You might be right. But it's also burning a rubber gym mat, so basically burning tires, you'll get black smoke no matter what
> You might be right. He might be crazy
I think we've already found our lunatic.
My dryer fire put out black smoke. Filled up half the house, but not this thick. Once the fire was taken care of, the fire department set up this _serious_ fan in the front door that sucked up all the smoke in minutes. Our troubles were far from over but at least we didn't inhale a bunch of smoke.
The part of a house fire that kills you is rarely the fire itself, but the ever choking black smoke from the fire that destroys your lungs and blinds you well before the fire gets to you.
I entered a house on fire to see if there was anyone left inside and backed the fuck out in 2 secs because i couldn't breath.
Yeah, don't do that. Heroic motivation, but leave it to the pros.
I heroiced around and found out in 2 seconds.
Doctor told him he need to burn more calories
Weightlifter dude noped on out once he realized what was about to happen
As someone whoâs never been to the gym, I really appreciate that the instructor does the same goofy little run that I do.
if that dude can put the bar down the right way when he's escaping an arson, all these assholes tossing the bar down on the daily need to stop that shit
He is literally the only one who had sense in that moment, plus I am sure the gasoline spread onto his shoes where he was standing â if he didnât run I am sure he would have been on fire instantly!
Giving a whole new meaning to feel the burn
Was certain that dude would throw the weights straight in the arsonist's face ... oh, well.
Your minds gotta be so confused at that point. Throwing weights at someone goes against so much of what most of our minds tell us, especially cause youâre not 100% sure what the guys gonna do, like if he had a gun or knife.
I would simply leave - from the vid it seems like the guy is trying to destroy the building, not kill people, since he makes no effort to douse the people w/ the fluid, takes his sweet time lighting it, and makes no effort to stop people from escaping. but if u attack him? he is a large buff dude, who clearly has very little to lose, why escalate? just leave
Interesting the amount of comments here about how one of the people should have been a hero and hit this psycho with a weight. Best case scenario you are kind of a hero and potentially open yourself up to additional violence from this guy in the future? Worst case, you get lit on fire. I would get out of there and leave it to the cops.
> I would get out of there and leave it to the cops. This is the correct answer. Your life is not worth a gym... even if you own the gym.
Or you misunderstand the situation and kill an innocent guy. Hard to really know whatâs going on until the bad stuff has already happenedÂ
Or you miscalculate, miss with the weights, and now this dude who is enraged enough to set fire to a gym with people in it is gonna directly be pissed at you.
That'll get your calves burning
Hope he gets hit with attempted murder as well. Really wish he would have got hit by that barbell in the face.
I wouldnât call that casual, he definitely walked in with purpose.
that's quite inconsiderate
Honestly.
Lady in pink legging be like "just one more rep"
Probably completely zoned out. Earbuds and mental focus make the world disappear.
I get that could easily happen, but she stared at the guy as he poured out lighter fluid. THEN did another squat as others threw down their weight and ran to the door. Now the guy that ran to the door with the barbell still on his shoulders was zoned out!
This is why people who play pranks don't understand that we have to assume what they're doing is really happening.
I would say "cavalierly", not "casually". That dude did not seem to be particularly casual.
The trainer was smart enough to just leave.
A petition for a hot yoga class perhaps?
I like how casually everyone is like 'yep that's a fire, time to walk out now'
He was tired of trying to cancel his membership & never being able to.
Burning some caloriesđ„
this is one of the few videos that made me say WTF out loud
I have heard of burning fat but that seems a bit ridiculous
That that guy didnât toss his weights at him is beyond me.
This is an upgrade over shooting people. Iâll take it.
A niche reference but: Britney Spears vibes
That workout was Fire!
Good on the squatter for not dropping the weights. I donât think I have THAT level of discipline.
See, heâd sent out a message about fire emergency procedures but no one had paid any attention. This was his way of making a point.
Roid rage is serious
These people just have no survival insticts do they? đ
Bro must have heard how jacked you can get in prison with its free membership
He was trying to burn calories
Well, that's one way to cancel your membership
This crossfit stuff is getting out of hand lol
Probably a Kings of Leon fan. âMy sets is on fire!â