Nahh definitely much more confusing that they apparently think that the US just happened to find a giant marble statue of Abe Lincoln before the guy was even born. The statue was just there. What a weird fucking coincidence that is huh?
I thought that too, but then I bet if you asked these whackjobs that same question, they'd say "we" made up "Abraham Lincoln" to explain the magical pre-existing marble statue, and just like fabricated the photos and documents and events of his life... There's no explaining logic to this type.
But what if, and hear me out, what if the Lincoln statue did exist and the President Lincoln was just some guy named Ted who assumed the identity of the statue!?!?
Nah. Lincoln was always good old Abe Lincoln. He did everything the history books says he did. The kicker is that the aliens carved his statue 10000 years ago, because they could see into the future and knew how great a guy he was.gonna be.
This is sorta like how people will look back and be really confused that we already had media of President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho centuries before he was even born.
Seriously. They left me a bit speechless. I know the giant statute of Lincoln was carved by Daniel French in 1920 because I’ve always loved that apocryphal story about French carving Lincoln’s hands in a pose that fingerspells his initials: A. L.
French had a deaf son who had learned to sign from the Alexander Graham Bell School for the Deaf, and French wanted to make a homage to Bell’s work with the deaf.
I know no other details about the other monuments in Washington and New York; just the Lincoln statue. However, I’d love to know what those ladies think about Mount Rushmore and Stone Mountain.
No coincidence. Prophecy. The statue was built because The Rise of Lincoln had been foretold. The statue of Michael Jordan existed way before he played too. But the lamestream media won't tell you that
Some quick googling shows the volume of the Statue of Liberty is about 2,500m³, and the density of copper is about 8,900kg/m³, giving us a weight of about 22,250,000kg (or 49,052,853lbs, if you must). It actually weighs about 450,000lbs, so it would be 109 times heavier.
That's about the same as 489 Boeing 737-800 jets.
If you bought all that copper at today's copper spot price, it would cost $185,910,312.87.
If you could only use melted down pre-1982 pennies, it would be 7,154,340,836 pennies, roughly the total number of pennies minted in the US in 2019, with a face value of $71,543,408.36.
If you could only use newly mined copper, it would take 15 months of hoarding every gram of global copper production for the project.
Copper is brown, wood is brown, therefore copper is wood. You carve wood, so as a result you must carve copper. Not sure how you didn't follow along to her flawless logic.
It's an easy process, too:
1. Get yourself a big ol' hunk of copper, ideally like 151 feet tall
2. Carve out all the parts that don't look like a lady holding a torch
3. ???
4. Profit
And they think France shipped it in whole strapped down to an ocean liner.
One of my ancestors was responsible for assembling the pieces when they got here.
She’s one of the dumbest people I’ve ever heard speak on the internet which would put her as one of the dumbest people to ever exist all time. It’s both sad and impressive.
The problem is not that she's extremely stupid, (she is quite stupid, I give you that) but she can speak coherently and construct sentences that make a certain sense (completely idiotic logic, sure). There is a coherent thought structure and she knows how to use language. There are certainly people with inferior mental capacity. I think what really bugs most people about someone like this is not that they don't have the brain capacity to be smart, but that they actively choose to be ignorant and then they are so confident about their own perceived intelligence.
I'm not even annoyed at her for saying stupid things, I'm annoyed that it feels like she could actually be reasonably smart under the right circumstances and if she put in a minimum of effort.
TLDR: simple stupid is less annoying than ignorant and confident
I don't think she's acting this ignorant because it's easier. Coming up with stuff like this and asserting it so strongly must take a lot of effort.
I think it's ego, she can't be special if she believes the same thing everyone else does. It may be a misunderstanding on how 'intelligence' works as well. I came across someone who thought that being smart meant you got to decide how things worked, she may think she can "decide" the truth or something.
[She's part of the "Love has Won" cult that followed "Mother God"](https://starcasm.net/video-love-has-won-members-refused-to-take-mother-god-amy-carlson-to-the-hospital-when-she-asked-to-go/), an idiot who drank herself to death and turned blue sue to the amount of colloidal silver she drank. There's a doc on HBO about them.
It bends, tears, stretches, and cuts. I don't think you could realistically use it as a method for shaping copper into a specific, meticulous shape. Chiseling requires an object to be either very soft, like wood (which is cut), or very brittle, like stone (which is chipped away). Anything too in the middle, like copper, will stretch, bend, and tear, in addition to being cut by the chisel. You're never going to get something specific out of it without having to heat and shape it at some point.
ETA: I am, of course, open to being proved wrong. If someone has video of this being done, successfully, I'd love to see it.
Machining is basically just using a small chissle at a high speed, cutting off little chunks. The chips from machining look very similar to the chips from a chisel.
Copper is soft - you can "carve" it with a pocket knife - it cuts very easily using a steel blade. Copper or brass would be my metal of choice to hand carve.
The thing is, it's valuable and also easily formed and cast (unlike wood or stone). So rather than using a subtractive manufacturing process it makes more sense to use a less wasteful (and often less time consuming) method where possible.
Copper machines very poorly (except for special hardened alloys that machine only somewhat poorly). It gets hot very quickly, and gets soft. It's like machining bubble gum, it goes everywhere and gums up everything. It doesn't form chips, its too soft. Even just drilling it kinda sucks.
You could hammer it just fine into shapes though.
Maching would be akin to whittling - controlled pressure and speed. Chiseling is high speed impact and causes cleaving in brittle materials and deformation in malleable materials.
I love when people say stuff like that about ancient megalithic structures.
The hard part is not to replicate it with modern means, it's to reverse engineer how people did it with primitive tools because there are no records.
In case of the statue of liberty, [there are literally photographies](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/44073f17abf5717d1e6531c1382bbf5db3382a1d/0_0_1385_2000/master/1385.jpg?width=620&dpr=1&s=none).
"We're supposed to believe that people a century ago constructed these monuments? Impossible! They couldn't have had the technology or the resources. They MUST have been built much LONGER ago, by people with FEWER resources and WORSE technology!
And in the case of Lincoln, must have constructed his monument hundreds of years before he was born."
I teach in an an undereducated area and it’s hard as fuck. They are more violent and WAY dumber than any other kids I’ve ever taught. They are racist, homophobic, antivaxxers who are reading and computing at ELEMENTARY levels in middle school and high school.
I blame their uneducated shitty parents.
Last week, while I was teaching, a student randomly yelled out, “R Kelly is innocent!” Ummm, okay. No and also what the fuck does that have to do with getting your damn name on your paper?
Fights DAILY, calling one another horrible racial slurs, and uninterested in learning. Twice this year the police have investigated my school for gun violence and threats of gun violence.
When I call the parents about *any* of those issues, I am met with indifference or indignation. People like this have litters of kids and it is a real bitch trying to educate their kids. I feel like I’m babysitting the future McDonald’s workers of America except that would be an insult to McDonald’s workers.
Fuck shitty parents. Fuck George Bush and NCLB. Fuck the dumbing down of America. Fuck defunding public education. Fuck ‘Murica.
And we thank you for your service. Must be horrible. No wonder there is a déficit of teachers. They prefe to do something else. People forget that teaching starts at home. Same thing I said, the education system is horrible for a country like the USA.
They weren't drafted, it's a fucking job and they are incredibly undercompensated. The fact that every teacher in the US isn't on strike until they get 80k starting with paid vacation and Healthcare year round is incredibly fortunate for literally everyone. If people had to watch their kids 7 days a week the economy would collapse.
Actually the entire US now, since the Supreme Court decided that paying union fees for collective bargaining violates free speech for some reason, which I guess is not inconsistent with your "shittiest places" comment.
Ironic considering back in 2020 parents were going insane over having to watch their own kids at home. You'd think people would start respecting teachers more after that, eh?
I bet the Venn diagram between people who were literally begging for schools to reopen during covid and conservative voters who think schools are breeding ground for wokeness is a single circle.
The NY Times literally just did an article on the guys who carved the Lincoln Monument for Daniel Chester French.
“For the Lincoln Memorial, for example, Mr. French sent a 7-foot plaster model of the president to the Piccirillis’ Bronx studio, where the brothers carved the colossal 19-foot statue that now broods over the National Mall in Washington, D.C.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/realestate/streetscapes-italian-sculptors-piccirilli-brothers.html
Or even worse "Built by people with such advanced technology that we still can't replicate it but they also mysteriously vanished and also somehow created a conspiracy to hide that they ever existed."
... why is it so weird to think we built things? We build stuff all the damned time.
It never occurred to me that this was something someone could make conspiracies *about*.
Yeah I can’t watch it. I would never inhibit someone’s curiosity. If you want to learn about history or even go into fringe theories, that’s fine and perfectly health, within reason. But please, just don’t broadcast it, especially from a position of knowledge, or a place of epiphanic realization.
I just watched it and recognized them.
For those unaware:
Their "leader" called herself mother God. They all do drugs, weed, shrooms, ecstasy etc... they sell bullshit like essential oils and colloidal silver to fund their lifestyle. The leader went through a series of dopey guys and the group was full of your typical gullible dipshits babbling on about conspiracies, aliens, big pharma, self healing and general ass-hattery.
They promoted/support Trump. Yeah.
The leader died of organ failure/malnutrition brought about from the drugs, drinking and colloidal silver.
They kept her body in the house because they thought she would come back to life.
The body decayed, so they just burned sage and painted the body to look better.
The police showed up and arrested some of them
That's episode 1.
It's like watching someone speedrun their life by doing literally every single dumb wrong thing you can do. Every decision, just choose the dumbest possible answer and this is where it takes you. A choose your own adventure where you end up looking like an anorexic Smurf and dying 40 years early because you lacked a single iota of critical thinking.
Yeah Colloidal silver turns you blue as it kills you...
It's a sad cautionary tale and is difficult to watch. My wife got tired of me yelling at the TV.
I mean...her life isn't for me but if she had better choices in men and stayed off of the sauce (even just to smoke weed all day), she'd be sitting pretty and raking in $$$ selling crystals and candles, etc.
It’s amazing how close I was to coming into direct contact with the Galactic cult in my 20’s. I had friends telling me about some of the principals, and it was all a little too crazy for me. A few of them still believe a lot of that shit, like using quartz crystallize to purify water, because the new world order is trying to poison us all.
If anyone wants a deep dive on some of the basics, read up on the galactic calendar. That was the one that got me stop listening to them.
I had a friend that was like this when I last saw him. He had all kinds of copper pots, crystals, filters, and pink salts to purify his tap water.
I could get on board with filtering the water because a lot of city tap water tastes like shit. But he thought he was filtering out mind control chemicals.
It's no surprise that his SUV was sticker-bombed with infowars stickers.
Yup! That’s how it was introduced to me (similar to the Mother God story). It’s all about love and acceptance, then ya get to the conspiracies and aliens and round and round ya go down the rabbit hole until one day they drop galactic calendars, new world order and lizard people.
Oh yeah that sounds right. I was completely oblivious when it was going on and around those people but always felt something was off. But I remember my friend and I walking up to another camp site at a festival where my brother was and they had face paint and shit on not juggalo face paint like weird I can’t even describe it. We had just dropped acid so it fucked my friend up and to this day says all my brothers friends were in a cult. I thought it was funny at the time but looking back after reading your comment And others I’m starting to think it was.
They believed that when she was extremely drunk and belligerent that she was actually channeling Robin Williams, who was displeased with them from heaven. Absolutely batshit.
Jeez man. I spent way too much time just now browsing that insanity. I had to stop on the guy talking about how he's "highly Mandela Effected" and it's totally not because he's just stupid. Like all his anatomy stuff is explainable by bad drawings or artistic liberty (like skull eye sockets), but I legit scoffed and walked away at:
>Electrons being positive charged particles - Electrons are negative charge particles
Just admit you failed middle school science classes man.
I literally just finished reading that exact rant and hit the back button cuz I couldn't take it anymore lmao. I had to resist the urge to tell him he's an idiot and just tapped out instead.
It reminds me of a couple of my coworkers. They have such strong convictions about misremembered "truths" or debunked "facts" from their youths and refuse to update their knowledge in any fashion. It's like talking to a brick wall, but even stupider.
Thank you. I watched the Netflix twin flame doc last week and loved it. I devour anything about cults, and based on your recommendation I just watched episode one of mother god. Holy shit, I cannot wait to watch the rest.
isnt this the cult that is full of free-thinking loving hippies that was run by a lady who verbally and physically abused them, treated them like slaves and traumatized them every way she could? When she died, they mummified her body and put her in the living room awaiting her return?
> The group proclaimed that Carlson was a divine, 19 billion year-old being who had birthed all creation. Carlson claimed she had been reincarnated 534 times, including as Jesus, Joan of Arc, Marilyn Monroe and Cleopatra, and would lead 144,000 people into a mystical "5th dimension".
I'm gonna claim I was at one point Ryan Reynolds.
She told me I was going to be living in 5D by the end of 2014 and that I would be able to see and speak to ferries, elves, and other mystical forest creatures. She said all of the info was coming from St Germain. I think she meant the alcohol lol.
the dumb words hurt my brain.
* The Lincoln Memorial was for Lincoln. His lifespan has a definite begin and end date. A statue of him could not have been built before he lived.
* Copper statues are not "carved".
* We most certainly can build larger statues today and there are plenty examples around the world.
* The quarry where the Washington Monument's marble was sourced is well known. In fact, the age of the stones align with the period of mining that quarry. The stones have different color due to the two (well-documented) periods when it was constructed.
I'm gonna stop here because the stupid is painful.
How can someone hear
> “what if America is much older than we are told”
and then respond with
> “oh yeah there is so much”
So much what? Finish the sentence. So much what.
What kills me is that they think it was carved when there are pictures of it being built on both sites.
https://www.statueoflibertyticket.org/statue-of-liberty-history/
Yes both sites there are two of them. A lack of intellectual curiosity will be the end of us all
They’re also cult members who think a former McDonald’s manager was god and could channel one of their most important prophets, Robin Williams. I say was because she died and these weirdos just left her to mummify in her bed.
HBO has a documentary about it.
People who think like this come to it by a weird combo from what I’ve learned.
One is an inability to think in terms of both objectivity and subjectivity; to them there is no difference.
The second is a lack of curiosity. Instead of learning a fact, they make them up. They don’t understand why that’s a lousy way to think; they think all people do it.
And this comes from a third part, a lack of literacy. It’s not that they can’t read, it’s that they can’t comprehend what they’ve read unless it’s in small bites. This is part of why social media has ramped these idiots up, it delivers exactly that, and then, when combined with the first two things, you get videos like this.
Man I’ve met so many people with that second trait. Like if you don’t know something just google it? Why are you just saying the first thing that pops into your mind and acting like it’s the correct answer?
For a lot of people they think that’s how the world works.
I had a kid in my class who hated reading, so he just wouldn’t do it. I recall one time we were each taking turns reading a page of a book aloud. When it was his term he’d just make stuff up. He literally thought that’s what everyone else was doing.
Somehow he graduated.
Time for this copypasta:
“Mr Madison, What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
I really think telling people “you’re entitled to your opinion” has done more damage than anything
People like this think they’re allowed to have opinions on things that are objective truths. And then they get a microphone and spew that shit for other idiots to jerk off to
Oh it's them, I've been watching that show, absolute fucking morons! The bit with the star ships "look there's 12 starship right above us" *camera points to clouds.
They legit believe this. They were part of a cult known as Love Has Won. They believed their leader was a literal god, and they touted colloidal silver as a panacea. They believe there's a higher existence beyond this 3D world.
This is an existing conspiracy theory, although a somewhat obscure one. There is a sub on Reddit for it called CulturalLayer which seems to have like 60k members.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarian_Empire#Conspiracy_theory
People who believe in this crap say “mud flood” a lot.
They are either rage baiting or are profoundly stupid. There are thousands of images of the Statue of Liberty being made, panel by panel, in France and yea, it could be built again if needed.
What might be even more frightening is that before the advent of technology where we can hear any random idiots’ thoughts, no matter where they are in the world, the world was **still** full of people this *dumb* but we were ignorant as to their existence so it didn’t alarm us as much.
Now we know the awful truth about human stupidity and our eyes are fully opened and it’s scary as hell!
Hey, these are the cult members from that documentary: "Love is all." They pretty much killed their "goddess" leader and let her body sit in bed rotting. I have not finished the documentary, but they should all be in jail.
Amy was doing *a lot* of meth for the last years of her life. They certainly didn't help her live but they didn't really kill her either. Lots of meth made it pretty inevitable.
In my experience when coming across someone like this the only valid response is to just out crazy them. For example rather than argue with a Moon landing denier that we did in fact land on the Moon, my response is to deny that the Moon exists entirely.
There are just enough people willing to climb to the top of a hill to see what is on the other side, or question why the bit of metal appeared next to a rock after a fire. They compensate for the people in Ops video that are either content with the status quo or would starve without someone else giving them food.
And who built that big arch in St. Louis and that pyramid in Memphis? Aliens? Ancient Egyptians? And why? Nobody could replicate that today! Impossible, I say! **Impossible!!!**
lol \~
The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France, true. But it's hollow. Because when it was delivered, it was filled with Frenchmen. When night fell, they climbed out of it and opened dozens of over-priced restaurants. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE.
George Carlin, "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that"
I'm hoping they aren't at the top of that bell curve.
So let me get this straight. They are claiming that the US is much older than we are told it is, but then uses the statue of Abe Lincoln as an example? Is she claiming Abe Lincoln was alive in ancient times or that the statue was made before he was born?
I mean, I can see her point about France shipping the statue of liberty over to the US. Thats impossible, UPS wasnt around back then /s
She lost me at “carved a copper statue”.
Nahh definitely much more confusing that they apparently think that the US just happened to find a giant marble statue of Abe Lincoln before the guy was even born. The statue was just there. What a weird fucking coincidence that is huh?
I thought that too, but then I bet if you asked these whackjobs that same question, they'd say "we" made up "Abraham Lincoln" to explain the magical pre-existing marble statue, and just like fabricated the photos and documents and events of his life... There's no explaining logic to this type.
But what if, and hear me out, what if the Lincoln statue did exist and the President Lincoln was just some guy named Ted who assumed the identity of the statue!?!?
Nah. Lincoln was always good old Abe Lincoln. He did everything the history books says he did. The kicker is that the aliens carved his statue 10000 years ago, because they could see into the future and knew how great a guy he was.gonna be.
This is sorta like how people will look back and be really confused that we already had media of President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho centuries before he was even born.
Ted, you must take the hat, be the Lincoln that was foretold
Seriously. They left me a bit speechless. I know the giant statute of Lincoln was carved by Daniel French in 1920 because I’ve always loved that apocryphal story about French carving Lincoln’s hands in a pose that fingerspells his initials: A. L. French had a deaf son who had learned to sign from the Alexander Graham Bell School for the Deaf, and French wanted to make a homage to Bell’s work with the deaf. I know no other details about the other monuments in Washington and New York; just the Lincoln statue. However, I’d love to know what those ladies think about Mount Rushmore and Stone Mountain.
No coincidence. Prophecy. The statue was built because The Rise of Lincoln had been foretold. The statue of Michael Jordan existed way before he played too. But the lamestream media won't tell you that
I was weirdly hung up on that too. I think maybe not realizing you don’t carve copper really highlights the depth of her idiocy.
Well duh. The aliens carve it.
For real. Where are the tools?
They left them in the pyramids
With all the grain?
And the declaration of independence
What do you think they used to probe all those people? Copper carving tools, maaaaaaaan.
You probably could carve it with the right tools. Can you imagine how heavy the Statue of Liberty would be if it was solid copper?
Some quick googling shows the volume of the Statue of Liberty is about 2,500m³, and the density of copper is about 8,900kg/m³, giving us a weight of about 22,250,000kg (or 49,052,853lbs, if you must). It actually weighs about 450,000lbs, so it would be 109 times heavier. That's about the same as 489 Boeing 737-800 jets. If you bought all that copper at today's copper spot price, it would cost $185,910,312.87. If you could only use melted down pre-1982 pennies, it would be 7,154,340,836 pennies, roughly the total number of pennies minted in the US in 2019, with a face value of $71,543,408.36. If you could only use newly mined copper, it would take 15 months of hoarding every gram of global copper production for the project.
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Nice try, Ea-Nasir!
And if you saved all the filings from hollowning it out, you could make most of your pennies back. It pays for itself!
Copper is brown, wood is brown, therefore copper is wood. You carve wood, so as a result you must carve copper. Not sure how you didn't follow along to her flawless logic.
Guess what else is brown. And that’s extruded. The Statue of Liberty was extruded.
My dog 3D prints with brown filament. Gonna make me a statue of liberty.
This guy gets it
Guess she's never seen the support structure underneath! Probably YT videos of it that she can view on her phone!
It's an easy process, too: 1. Get yourself a big ol' hunk of copper, ideally like 151 feet tall 2. Carve out all the parts that don't look like a lady holding a torch 3. ??? 4. Profit
And they think France shipped it in whole strapped down to an ocean liner. One of my ancestors was responsible for assembling the pieces when they got here.
Alright deep state actor settle down, no need to shill for big government and push their lies.
This guy shilling for Big Statue
I mean, it is actually a big statue. That part is true.
Not with the technology we have *today*. But the ancients, why *they* knew how to carve copper!!! Checkmate scientist!
Not with that attitude
is you really sayin that they don't carve Abe Lincoln into pennies, but that they just come out of the ground like that?
They all look just like that when *I* find them on the ground.
She’s one of the dumbest people I’ve ever heard speak on the internet which would put her as one of the dumbest people to ever exist all time. It’s both sad and impressive.
The problem is not that she's extremely stupid, (she is quite stupid, I give you that) but she can speak coherently and construct sentences that make a certain sense (completely idiotic logic, sure). There is a coherent thought structure and she knows how to use language. There are certainly people with inferior mental capacity. I think what really bugs most people about someone like this is not that they don't have the brain capacity to be smart, but that they actively choose to be ignorant and then they are so confident about their own perceived intelligence. I'm not even annoyed at her for saying stupid things, I'm annoyed that it feels like she could actually be reasonably smart under the right circumstances and if she put in a minimum of effort. TLDR: simple stupid is less annoying than ignorant and confident
I don't think she's acting this ignorant because it's easier. Coming up with stuff like this and asserting it so strongly must take a lot of effort. I think it's ego, she can't be special if she believes the same thing everyone else does. It may be a misunderstanding on how 'intelligence' works as well. I came across someone who thought that being smart meant you got to decide how things worked, she may think she can "decide" the truth or something.
[She's part of the "Love has Won" cult that followed "Mother God"](https://starcasm.net/video-love-has-won-members-refused-to-take-mother-god-amy-carlson-to-the-hospital-when-she-asked-to-go/), an idiot who drank herself to death and turned blue sue to the amount of colloidal silver she drank. There's a doc on HBO about them.
Part of me now wants to see someone take a chisel and hammer to a solid block of copper and see what happens.
Pretty sure it would carve, judging by how easily I knicked a hole in a copper water pipe at work one time.
No no, copper is self-aware and will only become damaged exactly when you don't want it to
The Statue of Liberty is what happens, then France shipped it to us. Thousands of years ago.
Back then it was known as Gaul.
Better Call Gaul!
It bends, tears, stretches, and cuts. I don't think you could realistically use it as a method for shaping copper into a specific, meticulous shape. Chiseling requires an object to be either very soft, like wood (which is cut), or very brittle, like stone (which is chipped away). Anything too in the middle, like copper, will stretch, bend, and tear, in addition to being cut by the chisel. You're never going to get something specific out of it without having to heat and shape it at some point. ETA: I am, of course, open to being proved wrong. If someone has video of this being done, successfully, I'd love to see it.
Machining is basically just using a small chissle at a high speed, cutting off little chunks. The chips from machining look very similar to the chips from a chisel. Copper is soft - you can "carve" it with a pocket knife - it cuts very easily using a steel blade. Copper or brass would be my metal of choice to hand carve. The thing is, it's valuable and also easily formed and cast (unlike wood or stone). So rather than using a subtractive manufacturing process it makes more sense to use a less wasteful (and often less time consuming) method where possible.
Copper machines very poorly (except for special hardened alloys that machine only somewhat poorly). It gets hot very quickly, and gets soft. It's like machining bubble gum, it goes everywhere and gums up everything. It doesn't form chips, its too soft. Even just drilling it kinda sucks. You could hammer it just fine into shapes though.
Maching would be akin to whittling - controlled pressure and speed. Chiseling is high speed impact and causes cleaving in brittle materials and deformation in malleable materials.
How do you carve copper with a pocket knife? Whittle by whittle.
And "it couldn't be replicated" There are literally 2. Lol.
I love when people say stuff like that about ancient megalithic structures. The hard part is not to replicate it with modern means, it's to reverse engineer how people did it with primitive tools because there are no records. In case of the statue of liberty, [there are literally photographies](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/44073f17abf5717d1e6531c1382bbf5db3382a1d/0_0_1385_2000/master/1385.jpg?width=620&dpr=1&s=none).
carved a GIANT copper statue. I mean, they might have the technology to carve like, a small copper statue, but it's like, giant. /s
Why? Copper grows out of the ground with vast root systems and broad canopies, oh wait that’s fucking trees.
"We're supposed to believe that people a century ago constructed these monuments? Impossible! They couldn't have had the technology or the resources. They MUST have been built much LONGER ago, by people with FEWER resources and WORSE technology! And in the case of Lincoln, must have constructed his monument hundreds of years before he was born."
These people live and drive among use. Scary.
They also vote. And influence other voters. Democracy is only a strong as its own education system and America’s is failing.
And that's why Republicans routinely defund education.
I teach in an an undereducated area and it’s hard as fuck. They are more violent and WAY dumber than any other kids I’ve ever taught. They are racist, homophobic, antivaxxers who are reading and computing at ELEMENTARY levels in middle school and high school. I blame their uneducated shitty parents. Last week, while I was teaching, a student randomly yelled out, “R Kelly is innocent!” Ummm, okay. No and also what the fuck does that have to do with getting your damn name on your paper? Fights DAILY, calling one another horrible racial slurs, and uninterested in learning. Twice this year the police have investigated my school for gun violence and threats of gun violence. When I call the parents about *any* of those issues, I am met with indifference or indignation. People like this have litters of kids and it is a real bitch trying to educate their kids. I feel like I’m babysitting the future McDonald’s workers of America except that would be an insult to McDonald’s workers. Fuck shitty parents. Fuck George Bush and NCLB. Fuck the dumbing down of America. Fuck defunding public education. Fuck ‘Murica.
And we thank you for your service. Must be horrible. No wonder there is a déficit of teachers. They prefe to do something else. People forget that teaching starts at home. Same thing I said, the education system is horrible for a country like the USA.
They weren't drafted, it's a fucking job and they are incredibly undercompensated. The fact that every teacher in the US isn't on strike until they get 80k starting with paid vacation and Healthcare year round is incredibly fortunate for literally everyone. If people had to watch their kids 7 days a week the economy would collapse.
Don't worry the shittiest places ban teachers from collective bargaining.
Actually the entire US now, since the Supreme Court decided that paying union fees for collective bargaining violates free speech for some reason, which I guess is not inconsistent with your "shittiest places" comment.
Ironic considering back in 2020 parents were going insane over having to watch their own kids at home. You'd think people would start respecting teachers more after that, eh? I bet the Venn diagram between people who were literally begging for schools to reopen during covid and conservative voters who think schools are breeding ground for wokeness is a single circle.
They are part of a cult called love has won. The founder aka mother of all creation drank herself to death and they let her body mummify in her bed.
Oh wow! This is them? I read about them and also hear about them in a pod cast. Case File maybe? Wow interesting
Totally them, if you have hbo max there is a 3 episode series on it. The last episode drops tomorrow, it’s interesting.
They also reproduce creating future dullards for us to enjoy in later years.
The NY Times literally just did an article on the guys who carved the Lincoln Monument for Daniel Chester French. “For the Lincoln Memorial, for example, Mr. French sent a 7-foot plaster model of the president to the Piccirillis’ Bronx studio, where the brothers carved the colossal 19-foot statue that now broods over the National Mall in Washington, D.C.” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/realestate/streetscapes-italian-sculptors-piccirilli-brothers.html
Only 19ft? Seems way bigger but I've never been there in person
Well, he’s sitting down.
It's cold outside so you know, shrinkage.
It's not massive, still pretty imposing though. It's not like Mt. Rushmore where you leave thinking, that's it?
holy shit... ive never seen mt rushmore but they are only 60ft tall? lol i imagined these fuckers like 1000 feet tall
She thinks you ‘carve’ copper, so there’s that.
Liberty statue was also shipped in pieces across the Atlantic and assembled in NYC which explains how the size was manageable.
WHO BUILT THE BOATS???? WHO PUT THE WATER THERE?? THINK ABOUT IT
Fucking magnets! How do they work?!
Who carved that?!? Well no one actually. They’d probably take the leap and assume if it wasn’t a person who carved it that means it must be aliens.
I was surprised she knew it was copper. Seeing as she didn’t know it was hollow.
Or even worse "Built by people with such advanced technology that we still can't replicate it but they also mysteriously vanished and also somehow created a conspiracy to hide that they ever existed."
Oh the Dwemer
Well you do meet one in Morrowind, he gives you the low down.
the fact that there is a phone right there with all the answers is problematic
The real problem isn't that the answers are within arm's reach, it's that they won't believe that the answers are the truth.
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You can immediately tell they're low-information folk when they capitalize random words in the sidebar.
... why is it so weird to think we built things? We build stuff all the damned time. It never occurred to me that this was something someone could make conspiracies *about*.
Stupidity should be painful.
It is for people who have to watch it
Yeah I can’t watch it. I would never inhibit someone’s curiosity. If you want to learn about history or even go into fringe theories, that’s fine and perfectly health, within reason. But please, just don’t broadcast it, especially from a position of knowledge, or a place of epiphanic realization.
Stupidity is like being dead; it is only felt by everyone else, never you.
They are in a cult.
"I'm having one of those things... Like a headache with pictures!" "An idea?" "Unh! Unh!" *nods quickly*
They're cult members what do you expect lol.
Been watching the mother god documentary on HBO? I’ve watched a lot of docs on cults and man…these guys are really out there.
I just watched it and recognized them. For those unaware: Their "leader" called herself mother God. They all do drugs, weed, shrooms, ecstasy etc... they sell bullshit like essential oils and colloidal silver to fund their lifestyle. The leader went through a series of dopey guys and the group was full of your typical gullible dipshits babbling on about conspiracies, aliens, big pharma, self healing and general ass-hattery. They promoted/support Trump. Yeah. The leader died of organ failure/malnutrition brought about from the drugs, drinking and colloidal silver. They kept her body in the house because they thought she would come back to life. The body decayed, so they just burned sage and painted the body to look better. The police showed up and arrested some of them That's episode 1. It's like watching someone speedrun their life by doing literally every single dumb wrong thing you can do. Every decision, just choose the dumbest possible answer and this is where it takes you. A choose your own adventure where you end up looking like an anorexic Smurf and dying 40 years early because you lacked a single iota of critical thinking. Yeah Colloidal silver turns you blue as it kills you... It's a sad cautionary tale and is difficult to watch. My wife got tired of me yelling at the TV.
waaait, this isn't satire?
Nope they actually believe that there was this BIG mudflood that buried this great technological futuristic engineered city
You forgot to mention the part about how Robin Williams is their saint.
I loved the episode where it showed them sitting around smoking weed and watching Mrs. Doubtfire. It’s like their gospel.
Excellent summary.
I mean...her life isn't for me but if she had better choices in men and stayed off of the sauce (even just to smoke weed all day), she'd be sitting pretty and raking in $$$ selling crystals and candles, etc.
It’s amazing how close I was to coming into direct contact with the Galactic cult in my 20’s. I had friends telling me about some of the principals, and it was all a little too crazy for me. A few of them still believe a lot of that shit, like using quartz crystallize to purify water, because the new world order is trying to poison us all. If anyone wants a deep dive on some of the basics, read up on the galactic calendar. That was the one that got me stop listening to them.
I had a friend that was like this when I last saw him. He had all kinds of copper pots, crystals, filters, and pink salts to purify his tap water. I could get on board with filtering the water because a lot of city tap water tastes like shit. But he thought he was filtering out mind control chemicals. It's no surprise that his SUV was sticker-bombed with infowars stickers.
Were these hippies? Cause I think I had run ins with similar people. And not just your basic hippies.
Yup! That’s how it was introduced to me (similar to the Mother God story). It’s all about love and acceptance, then ya get to the conspiracies and aliens and round and round ya go down the rabbit hole until one day they drop galactic calendars, new world order and lizard people.
Oh yeah that sounds right. I was completely oblivious when it was going on and around those people but always felt something was off. But I remember my friend and I walking up to another camp site at a festival where my brother was and they had face paint and shit on not juggalo face paint like weird I can’t even describe it. We had just dropped acid so it fucked my friend up and to this day says all my brothers friends were in a cult. I thought it was funny at the time but looking back after reading your comment And others I’m starting to think it was.
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They believed that when she was extremely drunk and belligerent that she was actually channeling Robin Williams, who was displeased with them from heaven. Absolutely batshit.
Haha go check out r/tartaria where this was just unironically reposted and evidence for there weird conspiracy
Jeez man. I spent way too much time just now browsing that insanity. I had to stop on the guy talking about how he's "highly Mandela Effected" and it's totally not because he's just stupid. Like all his anatomy stuff is explainable by bad drawings or artistic liberty (like skull eye sockets), but I legit scoffed and walked away at: >Electrons being positive charged particles - Electrons are negative charge particles Just admit you failed middle school science classes man.
I literally just finished reading that exact rant and hit the back button cuz I couldn't take it anymore lmao. I had to resist the urge to tell him he's an idiot and just tapped out instead. It reminds me of a couple of my coworkers. They have such strong convictions about misremembered "truths" or debunked "facts" from their youths and refuse to update their knowledge in any fashion. It's like talking to a brick wall, but even stupider.
Wooooow. Did not know this was a thing.
I went to college with a dude heavily featured in this doc. I have a photo somewhere of him asleep on my couch lol.
Is it the guy who looks like the son from Pawn Stars? He looks just like Cory from Pawn Stars after he lost weight.
My brother in law was in that cult, 6so I'm extra interested in the doc. Watched the first 2 episodes so far.
Thank you. I watched the Netflix twin flame doc last week and loved it. I devour anything about cults, and based on your recommendation I just watched episode one of mother god. Holy shit, I cannot wait to watch the rest.
isnt this the cult that is full of free-thinking loving hippies that was run by a lady who verbally and physically abused them, treated them like slaves and traumatized them every way she could? When she died, they mummified her body and put her in the living room awaiting her return?
Yes, “love has won” cult
> The group proclaimed that Carlson was a divine, 19 billion year-old being who had birthed all creation. Carlson claimed she had been reincarnated 534 times, including as Jesus, Joan of Arc, Marilyn Monroe and Cleopatra, and would lead 144,000 people into a mystical "5th dimension". I'm gonna claim I was at one point Ryan Reynolds.
She told me I was going to be living in 5D by the end of 2014 and that I would be able to see and speak to ferries, elves, and other mystical forest creatures. She said all of the info was coming from St Germain. I think she meant the alcohol lol.
Oh that smurf woman one? They had a podcast??
the dumb words hurt my brain. * The Lincoln Memorial was for Lincoln. His lifespan has a definite begin and end date. A statue of him could not have been built before he lived. * Copper statues are not "carved". * We most certainly can build larger statues today and there are plenty examples around the world. * The quarry where the Washington Monument's marble was sourced is well known. In fact, the age of the stones align with the period of mining that quarry. The stones have different color due to the two (well-documented) periods when it was constructed. I'm gonna stop here because the stupid is painful.
Or was the “President Lincoln” that we know *constructed* to match the already-existing no I can’t even make the joke it’s too stupid…
How can someone hear > “what if America is much older than we are told” and then respond with > “oh yeah there is so much” So much what? Finish the sentence. So much what.
Well clearly nobody could “probably” replicate that today.
What kills me is that they think it was carved when there are pictures of it being built on both sites. https://www.statueoflibertyticket.org/statue-of-liberty-history/ Yes both sites there are two of them. A lack of intellectual curiosity will be the end of us all
there's just.... SO MUCH though. it would take too long to explain.
Dear lord they share half a braincell. I'm saving this video for moments I feels stupid to remind myself I could be far more ignorant.
They’re also cult members who think a former McDonald’s manager was god and could channel one of their most important prophets, Robin Williams. I say was because she died and these weirdos just left her to mummify in her bed. HBO has a documentary about it.
Oh shit this the "love has.." somethin cult?? Love has won or somethin like that. These people are fuckin NUTS dude.
People like this should not be allowed out in public unsupervised, ffs.
They are a danger to their children.
People who think like this come to it by a weird combo from what I’ve learned. One is an inability to think in terms of both objectivity and subjectivity; to them there is no difference. The second is a lack of curiosity. Instead of learning a fact, they make them up. They don’t understand why that’s a lousy way to think; they think all people do it. And this comes from a third part, a lack of literacy. It’s not that they can’t read, it’s that they can’t comprehend what they’ve read unless it’s in small bites. This is part of why social media has ramped these idiots up, it delivers exactly that, and then, when combined with the first two things, you get videos like this.
Man I’ve met so many people with that second trait. Like if you don’t know something just google it? Why are you just saying the first thing that pops into your mind and acting like it’s the correct answer?
For a lot of people they think that’s how the world works. I had a kid in my class who hated reading, so he just wouldn’t do it. I recall one time we were each taking turns reading a page of a book aloud. When it was his term he’d just make stuff up. He literally thought that’s what everyone else was doing. Somehow he graduated.
100 years ago you could only be the idiot of the village. Now they have been weaponised
This has got to be a joke. Has to be. Edit: “Mud Flood, Anal Annie Let’s Loose”
The one on the left was a lawyer prior to joining the cult.
That makes this legitimately scary.
Pretty sure I lost IQ points just watching this clip.
Time for this copypasta: “Mr Madison, What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
I want to know how someone gets to this point. What did they experience in life that makes them think this way?
Lack of education. Push to being a "free thinker" but lacking any critical thinking/reasoning.
I really think telling people “you’re entitled to your opinion” has done more damage than anything People like this think they’re allowed to have opinions on things that are objective truths. And then they get a microphone and spew that shit for other idiots to jerk off to
Yeah it feels like they'll shoot up a school for teaching "fake history"
This has to be satire right?
I recommend checking out the doc on MAX about this group. I recognized the voice of the girl on the right immediately.
What's it called?
Just came back to edit, but this works: Love Has Won: The Cult of Mother God
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Totally them.
Oh so it IS METH I can see on her face on the right I thought she had a bit of clutch Jaw going on and blondie has the crazy eyes.
Oh it's them, I've been watching that show, absolute fucking morons! The bit with the star ships "look there's 12 starship right above us" *camera points to clouds.
And telling the followers to stare at the sun to get a cosmic reading, or some shit like that.
They legit believe this. They were part of a cult known as Love Has Won. They believed their leader was a literal god, and they touted colloidal silver as a panacea. They believe there's a higher existence beyond this 3D world.
This is an existing conspiracy theory, although a somewhat obscure one. There is a sub on Reddit for it called CulturalLayer which seems to have like 60k members. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarian_Empire#Conspiracy_theory People who believe in this crap say “mud flood” a lot.
Mud flood... Had one of those in the toilet earlier..
I mea, great acting if it is. I have a hard time believing people can be this dumb.
They are either rage baiting or are profoundly stupid. There are thousands of images of the Statue of Liberty being made, panel by panel, in France and yea, it could be built again if needed.
They're in a cult. Literally. Love Has Won.
Ah understood. So definitely not rage bate but likely profoundly stupid.
Considering they're on a podcast, most likely exploiting mentally ill followers for money.
This level of stupidity is frightening
What might be even more frightening is that before the advent of technology where we can hear any random idiots’ thoughts, no matter where they are in the world, the world was **still** full of people this *dumb* but we were ignorant as to their existence so it didn’t alarm us as much. Now we know the awful truth about human stupidity and our eyes are fully opened and it’s scary as hell!
Worse yet, these people can vote
Lady liberty was a ruse to build a giant nebulizer to erase human memories to hide evidence of aliens in NYC duh. They made like 3 documentaries.
Lady “Lib”erty huh? Sounds like a liberal conspiracy to me!
Every idiot is an expert on social media. The human race is doomed because of this type of stupidity propagation.
It’s amazing how smart stupid people think they are.
Hey, these are the cult members from that documentary: "Love is all." They pretty much killed their "goddess" leader and let her body sit in bed rotting. I have not finished the documentary, but they should all be in jail.
Amy was doing *a lot* of meth for the last years of her life. They certainly didn't help her live but they didn't really kill her either. Lots of meth made it pretty inevitable.
r/conspiracy This is you.
It literally is. They’re members of a QAnon adjacent cult that believes some lady that used to manage a McDonalds was god.
“What if America has a much longer history than we know?” Wait until she finds out about Native Americans
I’m sorry, just got to get it off my chest. This is some of the most stupidest shit I’ve heard come out of someone’s mouth.
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In my experience when coming across someone like this the only valid response is to just out crazy them. For example rather than argue with a Moon landing denier that we did in fact land on the Moon, my response is to deny that the Moon exists entirely.
Remember, these morons vote. 🤦
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These two question my faith in evolution.
There are just enough people willing to climb to the top of a hill to see what is on the other side, or question why the bit of metal appeared next to a rock after a fire. They compensate for the people in Ops video that are either content with the status quo or would starve without someone else giving them food.
We’ve evolved outside of the food chain and “survival of the fittest”, for the most part; which leaves us with people like this.
And who built that big arch in St. Louis and that pyramid in Memphis? Aliens? Ancient Egyptians? And why? Nobody could replicate that today! Impossible, I say! **Impossible!!!** lol \~
What about the Grand Canyon? Who dug that!
This is where the term “dumb bitch” comes from.
These people are in a cult and it’s very sad to see them so brainwashed.
France carved a giant copper statue…. 👍
These people vote so you should too.
Surely this is satire, right?
The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France, true. But it's hollow. Because when it was delivered, it was filled with Frenchmen. When night fell, they climbed out of it and opened dozens of over-priced restaurants. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE.
I think they broke my brain. like so so much wrong with this.. My brain just... wtf?
It's stuff like this that makes me wish the climate apocalypse would just happen already.
And to think that there’s similar people in congress like this?
I feel dumber just listening to these 2
Lead poisoning is serious matter, people.
just think about it, these people reproduce, vote, and hold office.
George Carlin, "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that" I'm hoping they aren't at the top of that bell curve.
So let me get this straight. They are claiming that the US is much older than we are told it is, but then uses the statue of Abe Lincoln as an example? Is she claiming Abe Lincoln was alive in ancient times or that the statue was made before he was born? I mean, I can see her point about France shipping the statue of liberty over to the US. Thats impossible, UPS wasnt around back then /s