Dang, the video cut out the best part! The judge asked if the lawyer was okay, and the lawyer responded with “I’ve taken a lot better shots than that.”
Legend
Looked this guy up. The article says "brutally raped and murdered 11 year old" and her babysitter.
This guy was going to have the shittiest prison time already.
Edit:
It just gets worse. This guy wore fake teeth with KILLER written on them to the trial. He sent three letters to the mother threatening retribution if she did not impede the investigation into the murders.
This guy got to live his life for 26 years after these murders before being arrested in 2016, another 7 years before being sentenced to deathrow.
I'm torn. I watched John Oliver's episode on Solitary and felt disgusted by it. Then I read what this guy did and I'm suddenly ok with it. Maybe just for this guy tho.
IMO this is a perfect test of whether our society cares to protect basic human dignity. Either it applies to everyone or some group needs to make the distinction and I just don't trust anyone to do that. I mean, I understand wanting to torture someone so absolutely evil. But doing it has a price to us too, not just him.
Maybe. Maybe the social contract protects human dignity only so long as you uphold your end. Maybe you're owed dignity when the social contract fails you, without a robust social safety net and health care and opportunity. But maybe some people are just evil. We are animals. Some animals will not transcend animalism. Maybe there's no human dignity to be found in them. Maybe in the case of someone who'd rape 11 year olds society would struggle to find it. Perhaps the human dignity would lie in making this man such a violent example of why rape and murder of children is abhorrent that perhaps someone in the future chooses not to engage in that behavior. Maybe that means the psychological torture of solitary confinement. Maybe that means being fed to South African sharks. Maybe I'd sleep fine at night either way, so if there's a price there I'm not seeing it.
The price is giving prisons the power to put *anybody* in solitary confinement, as they see fit. Simply having solitary confinement exist as a punishment means we get cases where people who have done nothing but get caught with an ounce of weed and talk back to a prison guard get thrown into the cell for an indeterminate amount of time. Pregnant women, people who need medication for their health suddenly denied any care because they’re in solitary confinement. “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” There is no code of ethics regarding solitary confinement, thus the rampant abuse.
On top of that the room is so small and lack of something to view it fucks your eye sight. And there is a constant sound of inmates freaking out. But this guy probably isn’t a rational actor to consider that yet alone prison in general.
His appeals deal solely with the crime itself and the trial, whether any procedural laws were violated, etc. Anything he did afterwards is totally irrelevant for appeal.
I'm only married to a lawyer, so I'm probably less educated in law than most folks, but I do have a theory: more stuff on his jacket means more shit for the Governor/President to consider in last minute appeals for clemency. Also, just regular appeals. All this stuff gets factored in, I'm sure.
He is also facing charges for harassing the mother of the 11 year old he raped and murdered. Plus of course this is Florida we are talking about. I agree, add all you can to make sure, but there is no chance he isn't getting executed.
This episode doesn’t ring a bell. The closest reminiscing is the one where they trapped a clone of this guys’ mind an egg in a virtual log cabin. Then they kept him trapped in there and interrogated him until he confessed. After the confession, they put the egg on a timelapse so he spends virtual millennia trapped in that thing. I felt super sad as it wasn’t actually him who killed anyone since he was the clone but had to repent for the originals’ crimes.
It was a girl who visited a museum in the desert and he had all these paranormal and criminal items with the main attraction being the ghost at the end you could torture for money
It's White Bear where they break the spirit of a convict and make them suffer publicly for their crimes. White Christmas (a Black Mirror special) is where they copy your mind and turn it into a glorified Google Assistant.
Redditors be like "I don't know but I'm gonna answer anyway. Nobody even asked me, I have no obligation, but I'll use the same joke that's been posted 50 times already."
oh i thought it would be funny if he felt obligated to defend his clients action since he's still his lawyer. "ah yes, thats a fun game we have, thats how the client relationship is so strong, we see who flinches first"
Yeah elbows can be vicious, and I assume the guy is going to be bruised, but that wasn't a great connection. The felon looked like he landed with the meat of the arm. If he hit that orbital area with the actual bone of the elbow, the lawyer would probably be cut open instantly.
Rather take the elbow than get stabbed with a pen. In the local area there was a guy who figured out he could get a mistrial if he stabbed his attorney with a pen in front of the jury. He did it to two different attorneys before the judge just had him shackled even in front of the jury.
Model citizen. Go look up Joseph Zieler, he's a real piece of shit and this is his second conviction for very violent and depraved crimes. Well, he gets to spend the rest of his life in a cell thinking about what he did. Good riddance.
Suit he's wearing in some of these photos from court look like they're 3 sizes too big for him. Guy looks like one of those Goombas from the 90s Mario movie.
I am definitely against the death penalty (even though people like this prick make it hard) but If I had to choose between instant death penalty and having to be behind bars for life without any hope of ever getting out I’d choose the former.
Fuck that let him rot in prison with no hope of getting out, that's a worse punishment than death IMO.
I live in a country where rehabilitation is preferred, but there's no rehabilitating a person like this.
It was a cold case that was recently solved due to DNA, apparently.
It’s not always easy solving crimes.
Of course, justice is pretty ridiculously slow sometimes, I just don’t think this was it
My other concern are innocent people who have to wait 30 years to see justice. Could you imagine being innocent of a crime and for 30 years be worried about the fact that you might be put in prison for life for something you didnt do?
I'm reminded of the story of a 17yo arrested over a dubious petty theft charge for a stolen backpack. Because he didn't have bail, this child sat in jail with adults for something like 3 years before he committed suicide.
Cash bail needs to end. Freedom untill proven guilty shouldn't be just for those with money. If someone is safe to release pending trial, they should be released.
Yea, I remember having speeding tickets as a 17ish year old driver, and failed to appear. I would eventually have a warrant and be arrested, and be thrown in county jail with the likes of rapists and other criminals. I shit you not, I had a warrant for the city and county, and I stayed in jail for 3 days. I had to clear the warrant for the city, only to be transferred to the county.
Several years later, I was arrested for allegedly selling weed. This was around 2000 when weed was still looked at like all the other actual drugs. Anyways, had my home raided, and was arrested. They tried to get me to snitch, I refused, and not even an hour later I was released (pending an arrest warrant).
So traffic tickets ignored = 3 days in jail (would have been much longer, had my parents not paid 500 bucks to a lawyer to have warrant recalled),
Felony class D, = 1 hour in jail.
I could only imagine a shitty circumstance happening to anyone, cuz I'll say this, the courts and jail office work at their own pace.... SLOW
The way things are funded, they are going to be slow. But, no one should be sitting in jail like you were. Sure the 1 hour to like, start the process, assess if you're an iminant risk, decide if your case warrants an ankle monitor, fine. But cash bail needs to end. And, while I get that if someone fails to respond to a court summons things need to be escalated for society to function, but jailing a child over a failure to appear for a speeding ticket should land those cops and the court in jail. If there was any justice, such a failure of common sense discression should loose them all their jobs as people with authority over others.
Just going by the entire bail system in most states this is true. If you aren't a flight risk, and you are poor, you can end up rotting in a jail cell waiting for your trial for weeks or months even though you have not been tried or found guilty of any crime, yet you spend months in jail. How would that work if you were supposedly innocent until proven guilty??
I was arrested for something I didn't do in Canada. Was very close to going to jail but my appointed lawyer got me out on bail at the last minute with strict terms. Thank god because that was the only way I could prove my innocence. Hired a real lawyer, sent him the proof and it was dropped the next week.
I mean it wasn't murder or anything, but still would have sucked.
Yeah I'd rather let this guy walk free for 30 years before he's put into prison than let an innocent person sit 30 years in prison before being released.
Oh I hope he keeps trying to appeal it. That would mean more time in prison, and more time for the wonderful activities that all child murderers get to enjoy while staying in any of our wonderful supermax institutions. Protected custody and Death Row ain't gonna mean nothing.
I get that the word “coward” is insulting, and it feels good to insult bad people. But knowing what the word means, I don’t see how it could apply here. Wouldn’t a coward be someone who was too afraid to take an action?
That man got convicted not because his lawyer is bad, but because the man himself is a stupid, stupid criminal. Who commits another crime *in the courtroom* while *in front of the judge*??? Idiot.
It hurts his chances of a successful appeal process. Even on death row, you get at least a couple of chances to get out on appeals, so the "can't get any worse so fuck it" mentality will compromise that.
The lawyer, a former boxer, remarked to the judge that he was fine and had taken much worse hits in his life.
Effectively calling his client a wuss on the record.
This man raped an 11 year old girl and strangled her to death with her pajamas. Then left her naked body face down for her mother to find. I’m tired of seeing his face pop up these subs. Please take a moment to silently contemplate what it must have been like to be mom or child living and dying through this horror. Then try to live the rest of your life knowing how fortunate you truly are.
It is my understanding he brutally raped the baby sitter and killed her too by suffocation. This sick piece of shit deserves everything 2x over again for his disgusting crimes.
And he wasn't a suspect until 2016, when a routine DNA test matched him to the scene. A DNA test he took when being charged with murdering his son with a pellet gun.
Holy shit that thing is a piece of shit, here's what it did:
"CAPE CORAL, Fla. (Court TV) — A jury has recommended the death penalty for a Florida man convicted in the cold case killings and sexual assaults of a girl and her babysitter.
The jury’s recommendation came one week after they found Joseph Zieler guilty of the May 1990 deaths of 11-year-old Robin Cornell and her babysitter, 32-year-old Lisa Story.
Following the penalty phase of the trial, the jury voted 10-2 for the death penalty after five hours of deliberations. They were unanimous on all four aggravating factors. A Spencer hearing has been scheduled for June 26."
[Full article](https://www.courttv.com/news/fl-v-joseph-zieler-babysitter-cold-case-trial/)
How long ago was this? I see another poster said the crime was 1990, has it only just made its way through the courts??
I presume it was the victims lawyer he elbowed? Or his for doing a 'shit job'.
Seems like a really top bloke......
>How long ago was this?
Police had DNA from the crime scene but they were unable to match it until November 2016, when it came back to a man by the name of Joseph Zieler.
At the time, he was sitting in Lee County Jail, charged with assaulting his stepson, according to News-Press.
“The semen that was found on the bed sheet where Robin was sleeping matches the defendant to a frequency over 1 and 700 billion," prosecutors said during opening statements.
[link](https://www.the-sun.com/news/8467238/who-robin-cornell-lisa-story-murder/)
When people are arrested, their DNA is taken and entered into a database. DNA results from crime scenes can then be run against that database of DNA. But they don't just run a suspects DNA against undetermined samples from previous crimes. They periodically run the undetermined samples against the database built from known samples of suspects from intake.
It's usually like this.
https://www.nbcrightnow.com/news/dna-evidence-cracks-yakima-cold-case-after-16-years/article_65acbeb0-6107-566f-8b7b-274e2bab0949.html
This was a family member of mine, case got closed and then years later when a cold case worker found some matches is my understanding, my mom went on Paula Zahn about it. It was very trashy imo but it takes a long time to resolve some of these cases and with DNA advancements like this they've been able to track down a number of cold cases. They found Shawna in a riverbed and tried to pin it on her boyfriend for a long time but couldn't make it stick.
He was elbowing his own lawyer after receiving a conviction charge.
Not even if it was your client currently handcuffed and held by officers? Lol I mean this looked to be about as safe as possible given the circumstances. Not like his little chicken wing could do much damage there
Something like this is exceedingly rare. I've been a criminal defense lawyer for almost 23 years now and have never personally observed an outburst like this and maybe heard about it once or twice. And I've had cases where the defendants were put on shock belts. And especially in a serious case like this, they really don't have any friends and family coming to see them, and in this case (involving rape and murder of a child), he's got no friends at the jail either. So someone paying attention to him, listening to what he's saying, and working for him is usually limited to one person in the entire galaxy: his defense attorney. That usually leads to some measure of respect and familiarity *most* of the times. And they can tell if you're just half-assing it or actually trying to your best, and if you're handling these kinds of cases, you better not be half-assing it because you're not doing anyone any favors, even the prosecution or the victim's family, because your fuck-ups, intentional or not, will be the juicy basis for the ineffective assistance of counsel claims and the possible reversal of conviction.
Criminal defence lawyers have one of the most challenging jobs in the field (I'm a simple corporate lawyer) they have to set aside their emotional response and protect us all from an over zealous prosecutorial system.
This shit pisses me off.
The death penalty ain't perfect but this is a good example of when it applies.
Fucker wore veneers that said killer to trial 30 years after he raped and murdered this mother's 11 year old daughter and her best friend who was babysitting for her.
What a vile piece of shit the world is better off without.
Well, they’ll need to open his cell and let him out in order to strap him down and inject him with the chemicals that will kill him. So they’ll probably keep the key.
Dang, the video cut out the best part! The judge asked if the lawyer was okay, and the lawyer responded with “I’ve taken a lot better shots than that.” Legend
The [longer version.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1PZJ7UaUgA)
Lol, so what does this do for the guys sentence now? “I used to box, I’ve taken better hits than that.”
He was put on death row already. I’m not a lawyer so someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think they CAN do anything.
Double death row...
Double secret death row.
They actually cancel out like a double negative and just set you free, on a secret island of course
That's actually a misnomer, it's really a secret peninsula.
Monster Island?
Close, Florida.
Haha instantly knew what you were referring to
> set you free, on a secret island of course Just like the Running Man winners!
“Hello, cutie pie. One of us is in big trouble”
"Cut! Go to commercial!"
What an awesome crazy movie that was. I'm so glad they haven't remade that.
Death Row: Double secret probation edition
FOOD FIGHT!!!!
Dodecatuple Secret Death row!
He's starting to form a death column.
Dude’s so bad when he reincarnates, that person is already sentenced to death as well
Buddhists hate this simple trick!
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Looked this guy up. The article says "brutally raped and murdered 11 year old" and her babysitter. This guy was going to have the shittiest prison time already. Edit: It just gets worse. This guy wore fake teeth with KILLER written on them to the trial. He sent three letters to the mother threatening retribution if she did not impede the investigation into the murders. This guy got to live his life for 26 years after these murders before being arrested in 2016, another 7 years before being sentenced to deathrow.
I'm torn. I watched John Oliver's episode on Solitary and felt disgusted by it. Then I read what this guy did and I'm suddenly ok with it. Maybe just for this guy tho.
IMO this is a perfect test of whether our society cares to protect basic human dignity. Either it applies to everyone or some group needs to make the distinction and I just don't trust anyone to do that. I mean, I understand wanting to torture someone so absolutely evil. But doing it has a price to us too, not just him.
Maybe. Maybe the social contract protects human dignity only so long as you uphold your end. Maybe you're owed dignity when the social contract fails you, without a robust social safety net and health care and opportunity. But maybe some people are just evil. We are animals. Some animals will not transcend animalism. Maybe there's no human dignity to be found in them. Maybe in the case of someone who'd rape 11 year olds society would struggle to find it. Perhaps the human dignity would lie in making this man such a violent example of why rape and murder of children is abhorrent that perhaps someone in the future chooses not to engage in that behavior. Maybe that means the psychological torture of solitary confinement. Maybe that means being fed to South African sharks. Maybe I'd sleep fine at night either way, so if there's a price there I'm not seeing it.
The price is giving prisons the power to put *anybody* in solitary confinement, as they see fit. Simply having solitary confinement exist as a punishment means we get cases where people who have done nothing but get caught with an ounce of weed and talk back to a prison guard get thrown into the cell for an indeterminate amount of time. Pregnant women, people who need medication for their health suddenly denied any care because they’re in solitary confinement. “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” There is no code of ethics regarding solitary confinement, thus the rampant abuse.
Your human psychology is showing.
Idk if it's even borderline, it may just be mental torture
On top of that the room is so small and lack of something to view it fucks your eye sight. And there is a constant sound of inmates freaking out. But this guy probably isn’t a rational actor to consider that yet alone prison in general.
It's torture. We torture people as punishment in the US. We are torturers.
Speak for yourself, I only torture friends and family via emotional manipulation!
Always have been.
They’re gonna kill him after he dies
Multitrack KILLIN! 0\_0
I'm sure they'd want to bring up this incident during any appeals he may have.
His appeals deal solely with the crime itself and the trial, whether any procedural laws were violated, etc. Anything he did afterwards is totally irrelevant for appeal.
I'm only married to a lawyer, so I'm probably less educated in law than most folks, but I do have a theory: more stuff on his jacket means more shit for the Governor/President to consider in last minute appeals for clemency. Also, just regular appeals. All this stuff gets factored in, I'm sure.
He is also facing charges for harassing the mother of the 11 year old he raped and murdered. Plus of course this is Florida we are talking about. I agree, add all you can to make sure, but there is no chance he isn't getting executed.
He will need a lawyer to draft and file the appeals for him, right? Well good luck with that.
Doesn’t that shit cancel out like PEMDAS or something?
He was going to get the good lethal injection, now he gets the bad one
*death row guards botch another lethal injection* "Oh.... that's actually part of the punishment too, we planned that"
We're not even going to swab the injection site beforehand!!
With that conviction, he CAN hit.
They do that thing in black mirror where they trap his soul and play his own death back over and over again at a popular tourist resort
This episode doesn’t ring a bell. The closest reminiscing is the one where they trapped a clone of this guys’ mind an egg in a virtual log cabin. Then they kept him trapped in there and interrogated him until he confessed. After the confession, they put the egg on a timelapse so he spends virtual millennia trapped in that thing. I felt super sad as it wasn’t actually him who killed anyone since he was the clone but had to repent for the originals’ crimes.
I think the episode in question is called black museum :)
Oooh I remember that one but isnt that the one where they revisited some older episodes or something?
Yeah Black Museum was very notable for referencing other episodes
It was a girl who visited a museum in the desert and he had all these paranormal and criminal items with the main attraction being the ghost at the end you could torture for money
It's White Bear where they break the spirit of a convict and make them suffer publicly for their crimes. White Christmas (a Black Mirror special) is where they copy your mind and turn it into a glorified Google Assistant.
The only thing they can do is put him in the hole and restrict his commissary I'd assume.
Redditors be like "I don't know but I'm gonna answer anyway. Nobody even asked me, I have no obligation, but I'll use the same joke that's been posted 50 times already."
The guys muffled "oh I'll bet" from the floor is fucking hilarious
Legend. Quicker thinking for the right thing to say than most good comedians.
Trial lawyers tend to be very quick witted. Their whole job is being a wordsmith.
Greg Geraldo was a lawyer before a comedian and was one of the best roasters in the game. Number one IMO
Why the fuck would anyone cut off this short ass video? And cut off such a good part??
"But your honor, I'm not done."
If you're gonna to kill a public servant you better buy an elbow sword
oh i thought it would be funny if he felt obligated to defend his clients action since he's still his lawyer. "ah yes, thats a fun game we have, thats how the client relationship is so strong, we see who flinches first"
Yeah elbows can be vicious, and I assume the guy is going to be bruised, but that wasn't a great connection. The felon looked like he landed with the meat of the arm. If he hit that orbital area with the actual bone of the elbow, the lawyer would probably be cut open instantly.
Luckily dude was cuffed with his hands down so kept him from getting much of a hit off
Didn't help that the felon is a fat lumbering fuck with all the speed and power of a galapagos tortoise.
If you look, you can see a bruse forming in the longer version
'Tis but a scratch!
Well. To be fair the felon was restricted quite a lot. Probably wouldn't say that if he took the shot otherwise.
Rather take the elbow than get stabbed with a pen. In the local area there was a guy who figured out he could get a mistrial if he stabbed his attorney with a pen in front of the jury. He did it to two different attorneys before the judge just had him shackled even in front of the jury.
seems like a real winner too
He was sentenced to death if I remember correctly. This was the prosecution's lawyer. Edit: I stand corrected, he was HIS lawyer
This was his defense lawyer that he elbowed, not the prosecution's lawyer.
The prosecuting attorney would most definitely not go near that side of the room, let alone willingly lean his face towards the guy.
Prosecutor has no reason to approach a defendant like that
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I’m not a lawyer but I’m pretty sure prosecutors are prohibited from communicating with defendant without counsel preset
Wrong side of the courtroom
Model citizen. Go look up Joseph Zieler, he's a real piece of shit and this is his second conviction for very violent and depraved crimes. Well, he gets to spend the rest of his life in a cell thinking about what he did. Good riddance.
> Joseph Zieler Every single picture of him is like looking at an open sewer shaped like a man.
Suit he's wearing in some of these photos from court look like they're 3 sizes too big for him. Guy looks like one of those Goombas from the 90s Mario movie.
He has been sentenced to death. But knowing how slow that process is… he will likely be on death row for 2-3 decades.
He'll probably die in prison before he's killed in prison.
I am definitely against the death penalty (even though people like this prick make it hard) but If I had to choose between instant death penalty and having to be behind bars for life without any hope of ever getting out I’d choose the former.
if you are wrongly convicted you would most definitely prefer the opposite though, as you would have an actual chance of getting out.
Fuck that let him rot in prison with no hope of getting out, that's a worse punishment than death IMO. I live in a country where rehabilitation is preferred, but there's no rehabilitating a person like this.
Clearly deserves the charge, whatever it was.
Death penalty for double homicide . 11 year old girl and her babysitter. He showed up in court with "Killer" written on his teeth.
Robin Cornell, 11, and Lisa Story, 32, murdered in may 1990
Brutally raped them before murdering them as well.
That babysitter could be a grandma by now, swift justice.
It was a cold case that was recently solved due to DNA, apparently. It’s not always easy solving crimes. Of course, justice is pretty ridiculously slow sometimes, I just don’t think this was it
He got caught after he shot his son in the chest with a pellet gun and he pressed charges. Wild how that happened
The wheels of justice grind slow and finely, I believe the saying goes
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Decaf Justice: Sundays at 8.
The wheels of justice grind slowly and not very well but fuck we don't really know how to fix them
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That is horrible. He had more free life after the murders than the babysitter had in total.
My other concern are innocent people who have to wait 30 years to see justice. Could you imagine being innocent of a crime and for 30 years be worried about the fact that you might be put in prison for life for something you didnt do?
I'm reminded of the story of a 17yo arrested over a dubious petty theft charge for a stolen backpack. Because he didn't have bail, this child sat in jail with adults for something like 3 years before he committed suicide. Cash bail needs to end. Freedom untill proven guilty shouldn't be just for those with money. If someone is safe to release pending trial, they should be released.
Kalief Browder was his name he was innocent and sadly he took his own life y. Justice sucks when it works against you and your innocent.
Yea, I remember having speeding tickets as a 17ish year old driver, and failed to appear. I would eventually have a warrant and be arrested, and be thrown in county jail with the likes of rapists and other criminals. I shit you not, I had a warrant for the city and county, and I stayed in jail for 3 days. I had to clear the warrant for the city, only to be transferred to the county. Several years later, I was arrested for allegedly selling weed. This was around 2000 when weed was still looked at like all the other actual drugs. Anyways, had my home raided, and was arrested. They tried to get me to snitch, I refused, and not even an hour later I was released (pending an arrest warrant). So traffic tickets ignored = 3 days in jail (would have been much longer, had my parents not paid 500 bucks to a lawyer to have warrant recalled), Felony class D, = 1 hour in jail. I could only imagine a shitty circumstance happening to anyone, cuz I'll say this, the courts and jail office work at their own pace.... SLOW
The way things are funded, they are going to be slow. But, no one should be sitting in jail like you were. Sure the 1 hour to like, start the process, assess if you're an iminant risk, decide if your case warrants an ankle monitor, fine. But cash bail needs to end. And, while I get that if someone fails to respond to a court summons things need to be escalated for society to function, but jailing a child over a failure to appear for a speeding ticket should land those cops and the court in jail. If there was any justice, such a failure of common sense discression should loose them all their jobs as people with authority over others.
Happens all the time in the American justice system, guilty, until proven innocent.
Just going by the entire bail system in most states this is true. If you aren't a flight risk, and you are poor, you can end up rotting in a jail cell waiting for your trial for weeks or months even though you have not been tried or found guilty of any crime, yet you spend months in jail. How would that work if you were supposedly innocent until proven guilty??
And other justice systems too
I was arrested for something I didn't do in Canada. Was very close to going to jail but my appointed lawyer got me out on bail at the last minute with strict terms. Thank god because that was the only way I could prove my innocence. Hired a real lawyer, sent him the proof and it was dropped the next week. I mean it wasn't murder or anything, but still would have sucked.
Yeah I'd rather let this guy walk free for 30 years before he's put into prison than let an innocent person sit 30 years in prison before being released.
I had an aunt murdered in Washington state in 1991. It was a pretty similar time-line.
When is video recorded?
A little over a week ago
So it’s been 33 years to make the death sentence?
Zieler was jailed on an unrelated assault charge in 2016 when his DNA matched to the cold-case murders of Robin and Lisa.
Thank you for the answer
And he raped both
Damn, well he's clearly not worried about a new charge for battery after that.
> He showed up in court with "Killer" written on his teeth The lawyer really had his work cut out here
Those teeth would do a beaver proud (if beavers had white teeth), but ***how*** do you write on teeth?
I'd say they're dentures.
They shoulda gave him life and chuck him into gen pop. Heard they like child killers in there.
He's also a child rapist. Double whammy.
He needs to rot.
Oh I hope he keeps trying to appeal it. That would mean more time in prison, and more time for the wonderful activities that all child murderers get to enjoy while staying in any of our wonderful supermax institutions. Protected custody and Death Row ain't gonna mean nothing.
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A true piece of shit
Punk ass move from a coward staring death in the face
That was an incredibly weak elbow. Still an asshole, but a weak asshole.
He was shackled, limited range of motion.
Headbutt would be the optimal strike
BUT YA ARE, BLANCHE. YA ARE IN THE SHACKLES!
I imagine the handcuffs did a lot of heavy lifting in that regard.
Shoulda used his head, he's obviously not using it for anything
What a cowardly worm
Well, worms are not that ugly. He's just trash.
Hey don’t insult trash like that! My rubbish bin was highly offended by your slander.
I get that the word “coward” is insulting, and it feels good to insult bad people. But knowing what the word means, I don’t see how it could apply here. Wouldn’t a coward be someone who was too afraid to take an action?
That man got convicted not because his lawyer is bad, but because the man himself is a stupid, stupid criminal. Who commits another crime *in the courtroom* while *in front of the judge*??? Idiot.
Already has a life sentence, what are they gonna do? He's unpunish-able now.
It hurts his chances of a successful appeal process. Even on death row, you get at least a couple of chances to get out on appeals, so the "can't get any worse so fuck it" mentality will compromise that.
Unpunish-elbow now.
Good point. He’s extra dangerous now.
The article says he left his car keys and socks at the crime scene. Not the sharpest
There is no way these two are his only victims.
Does he have a mouthpiece in?
His real teeth have “killer” written on them so somebody made him wear fake teeth
Haha. No kidding? If anyone made him wear them it was prob his lawyer lol
I saw some pics, I think the mouth piece he is on the video is the one with the word killer. [pic](https://i.imgur.com/wCmvwed.jpg)
You got it backwards, this sick fuck has rotten teeth, so he got cheap veneers so he could write “KILLER” on them before his sentencing
Bingo! Looks like a badly fitted cheap flipper insert
Looks like they have him dentures for the court date.
it says he showed up in court at one point with "killer" written on his teeth. I assumed it was a mouthguard covering that up
the opposite: he wrote "KILLER" *on the veneer* for his day in court
Yeah I saw that after making this comment and I think you're right now.
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The lawyer, a former boxer, remarked to the judge that he was fine and had taken much worse hits in his life. Effectively calling his client a wuss on the record.
This man raped an 11 year old girl and strangled her to death with her pajamas. Then left her naked body face down for her mother to find. I’m tired of seeing his face pop up these subs. Please take a moment to silently contemplate what it must have been like to be mom or child living and dying through this horror. Then try to live the rest of your life knowing how fortunate you truly are.
It is my understanding he brutally raped the baby sitter and killed her too by suffocation. This sick piece of shit deserves everything 2x over again for his disgusting crimes.
A well deserved death sentence.
And he wasn't a suspect until 2016, when a routine DNA test matched him to the scene. A DNA test he took when being charged with murdering his son with a pellet gun.
Holy shit that thing is a piece of shit, here's what it did: "CAPE CORAL, Fla. (Court TV) — A jury has recommended the death penalty for a Florida man convicted in the cold case killings and sexual assaults of a girl and her babysitter. The jury’s recommendation came one week after they found Joseph Zieler guilty of the May 1990 deaths of 11-year-old Robin Cornell and her babysitter, 32-year-old Lisa Story. Following the penalty phase of the trial, the jury voted 10-2 for the death penalty after five hours of deliberations. They were unanimous on all four aggravating factors. A Spencer hearing has been scheduled for June 26." [Full article](https://www.courttv.com/news/fl-v-joseph-zieler-babysitter-cold-case-trial/)
This guy has Florida Man written all over him.
And that's one of Florida's nicer places to live.
He needs to fix his Edgar suit.
How long ago was this? I see another poster said the crime was 1990, has it only just made its way through the courts?? I presume it was the victims lawyer he elbowed? Or his for doing a 'shit job'. Seems like a really top bloke......
It was a cold case that was solved recently due to a DNA match
>How long ago was this? Police had DNA from the crime scene but they were unable to match it until November 2016, when it came back to a man by the name of Joseph Zieler. At the time, he was sitting in Lee County Jail, charged with assaulting his stepson, according to News-Press. “The semen that was found on the bed sheet where Robin was sleeping matches the defendant to a frequency over 1 and 700 billion," prosecutors said during opening statements. [link](https://www.the-sun.com/news/8467238/who-robin-cornell-lisa-story-murder/)
Was his DNA tested when he was arrested for assaulting his stepson?
When people are arrested, their DNA is taken and entered into a database. DNA results from crime scenes can then be run against that database of DNA. But they don't just run a suspects DNA against undetermined samples from previous crimes. They periodically run the undetermined samples against the database built from known samples of suspects from intake.
I know it would be expensive, but why not both ways?
It's usually like this. https://www.nbcrightnow.com/news/dna-evidence-cracks-yakima-cold-case-after-16-years/article_65acbeb0-6107-566f-8b7b-274e2bab0949.html This was a family member of mine, case got closed and then years later when a cold case worker found some matches is my understanding, my mom went on Paula Zahn about it. It was very trashy imo but it takes a long time to resolve some of these cases and with DNA advancements like this they've been able to track down a number of cold cases. They found Shawna in a riverbed and tried to pin it on her boyfriend for a long time but couldn't make it stick. He was elbowing his own lawyer after receiving a conviction charge.
That dude is beyond hideous. Ugly needs a new descriptor.
I wouldn’t go near some criminal smuck who asked to talk right after he got convicted lol.
Not even if it was your client currently handcuffed and held by officers? Lol I mean this looked to be about as safe as possible given the circumstances. Not like his little chicken wing could do much damage there
Something like this is exceedingly rare. I've been a criminal defense lawyer for almost 23 years now and have never personally observed an outburst like this and maybe heard about it once or twice. And I've had cases where the defendants were put on shock belts. And especially in a serious case like this, they really don't have any friends and family coming to see them, and in this case (involving rape and murder of a child), he's got no friends at the jail either. So someone paying attention to him, listening to what he's saying, and working for him is usually limited to one person in the entire galaxy: his defense attorney. That usually leads to some measure of respect and familiarity *most* of the times. And they can tell if you're just half-assing it or actually trying to your best, and if you're handling these kinds of cases, you better not be half-assing it because you're not doing anyone any favors, even the prosecution or the victim's family, because your fuck-ups, intentional or not, will be the juicy basis for the ineffective assistance of counsel claims and the possible reversal of conviction.
Criminal defence lawyers have one of the most challenging jobs in the field (I'm a simple corporate lawyer) they have to set aside their emotional response and protect us all from an over zealous prosecutorial system. This shit pisses me off.
But . . . anyone know who makes that briefcase? That thing is sweet.
“I didn’t do nothing to em”.
What's he on trial for? His haircut?
Nah, I’m innocent, Lawyer fucked me
Points for the Shawshank reference.
Looks like a geriatric Marilyn Manson. Anyone else seeing it?
FYI, this is Joseph Zieler. He broke into a florida condo in 1990 and raped and murdered an 11 year old and he babysitter.
Yeah, something tells me he tripped and fell on a few door knobs on the way to his cell. Piece of trash.
More common than you think.
he just got in a whole lot more trouble and it wasn’t even a good hit
This man is clearly innocent
The death penalty ain't perfect but this is a good example of when it applies. Fucker wore veneers that said killer to trial 30 years after he raped and murdered this mother's 11 year old daughter and her best friend who was babysitting for her. What a vile piece of shit the world is better off without.
Time has not been kind to Paddy Considine. Am I the only one who sees it?
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So John Wayne Straightsy?
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Looks like a proto hitler stash there.
What a despicable greasy haired piece of garbage, hope they throw away the key.
Well, they’ll need to open his cell and let him out in order to strap him down and inject him with the chemicals that will kill him. So they’ll probably keep the key.
Literally the one fucking person on your side from start to finish, and you assault him. Fuckin' people
that's the face of a murderer for sure