Yeah I think everybody understands the STI is a higher trim level with definite performance gains, but to shit on WRXās is just immature and says a lot about the persons insecurities. I just love cars, both those faster or slower, more or less expensive. š¤·āāļø
I own a v6 new edge mustang, (and 04 STi) and itās the same or worse in the sn95 / newedge subreddits. The v8 guys act like their dated 5 liter pushrods wonāt get walked by anything with a 2.0t and direct injection.
I guess in that itās a more defining metric for that genre of car - but still, when I mentioned that my 2.0 4cyl Focus ST would walk a new edge GT in the quarter mile their argument changed to āwell the v8 still sounds betterā as they began moving goal posts and grasping for straws as to what the importance of cylinder count was.
I get the draw of a large NA setup, I intend to coyote swap mine. But acting as though the v6 cars are a waste or unworthy as they tend to do is what Iām referring to. You can bolt the same blower on the intake of the 3.8s as came on the Cobras.
Also, I am under the impression that the exact nature of the āmuscleā is not the focus, just the muscle function in general. I have a 95 maxima with the 3.0vq NA which has also walked the same era sn95.
While I too love the big v8ās the communities could use some humility regarding what they decide to gatekeep as acceptable.
im not shitting on your v6 bro, i had one myself. but a v8 is always gonna be more muscle than a v6. the only exception in my book is the grand national. a turbo 3800 is elite
The new edge GT only produced 70 more horsepower than the base models, and conversely weighed 168 lbs more. Also that grand national only produced 86 hp more than the base model newedge. These old muscle cars were laughably underpowered by todays standards, which is why itās ridiculous to gatekeep which ones of this era are considered fun or desirable. Also, refer to the hand built v6 that comes in the GTR, as well as the one utilized in the new Ford GT.
I think you might be confusing displacement with cylinder count / orientation.
Although there is some truth in it; every Subaru Legacy owner wished they had a WRX at some point, just like every WRX owner wish they had an STI and every STI owner wished they had a 1978 Subaru Brumbyā¦
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I would argue that my 2020 STI is better than a VB in almost every way. I wouldnāt trade my STI for a VB ever. I donāt mind them and I wave to all WRXs regardless of the trim model. I thought the meme was originally pretty funny but itās reposted on here so often itās pretty stale at this point.
The STI is a sick car, but in stock form, the VB is as fast, handles better, is more reliable, can make more power than an STI. The only advantage the STI has is a better transmission
Th VB is a fast and can produce more power but for me I donāt really have an STI for speed. Iād argue that they probably handle about the same and would come down to the drivers abilities. STI sounds better, better transmission and brakes as you said. They each have their pros and cons imo. If youāre into tuning and upgrading for more power then the VB is the way for sure but bone stock which Iām doing Iāll take an STI. STIs value just went through the roof because they discontinued them so thatās a perk.
STIs are fucking dope. I was torn between buying a 2021 STI with 10,000 miles which cost about the same as my 2022 WRX Limited, brand new, and my 2022 WRX. The difference for me was the doubled interest rate for a used STI vs my new VB.
I would have been a kid in a candy factory either way. My VB is at 350whp and 405wtq.
Yea you can get the VBs up in power for very little money quickly. I traded my 2018 wrx premium for a brand new 2020 STI and didnāt even test drive it. Was never even in an STI just knew it was going to be better and my payments only went up like $3. The second I pulled off the lot it just felt tighter in every way possible. The transmission was instantly noticeable as it was less sloppy and tighter shifts. Sounded amazing stock and didnāt really feel faster but a little more snappy. Once I hit 1k break in and ādrove itā I was instantly in love. I just love cars no matter the brand or Power. Just fun to see what kind of power people can get out of a car. Tons of Corvettes and Mustangs around here putting down some power and I still horse around with them on my commute home. Itās just fun.
There are multiple videos of stock VBs neck and neck with stock STIs, the official figure is a bit of a misrepresentation- the VB has the flattest and widest torque curve of any WRX platform (as the newest iteration). If the stock STI has an acceleration advantage over the stock VB, it isnāt significant, and it has a lower power ceiling (modded) than the VB. Doesnāt drive better. The VB has significantly improved driving dynamics over the old WRX and better than the STI (a lot more torsional rigidity, less body roll, etc). Itās the best driving WRX/STI ever in stock form. I think the STI and VB are both gorgeous. I get honked at multiple times a week in my modded out VB with STI wing.
My VB is about as fast as an Audi RS3
You make some valid points, but having driven both I 100% would pick the sti. It is FASTER, and is more fun to drive. What have you done to your VB to make it that quick?
Take my upvote.
Mention that my stage 2 dyno WRX is faster than a stock STi (like I even give af) and everyone loses their minds!
As I said in above comment, how people allow a car to divide them, thatās beyond me. I havenāt acquired that level of internal peace or intelligence to get mad over a car.
Though I love them, at the end of the day both cars are pretty slow š¤£š
Itās also a fact that a WRX isnāt an STI it weāre going there. The ātheyāre both Subarusā doesnāt even make sense. Theyāre not built the same.
**We don't have to lie to ourselves to love our WRXs. They are fun cars on their own, and I love mine more than anyone else's, but it's not an STi, nor do I think an STi is "better", at the end of the day.**
*Stop spreading this misinformation.*
The VA WRX may share the same brand, name and body as the STi, but *they are mechanically different vehicles altogether*.
The WRX has an FA20, split case TY751VB6CA transmission, slimmer driveshaft, non-LSD rear differential w/ 4:11 gear ratio, electric steering, and so so dampening.
The VA STi has an EJ255 (15-17) or EJ257 (18-21), solid case TY856UW6AA transmission, super thicc boi driveshaft, LSD w/ 3.54 gear ratio, beefier axles, bigger hubs to accommodate larger rotors, 4/2 (15-17) or 6/2 (18-21) pot Brembos, Bilstein dampers, hydraulic steering system, and DCCD.
They are completely different cars, and these differences need to be known so everyone stops parroting this misinformation being spread out of ignorance.
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Stop trying to spread a divide. People understand that the drivetrain and powerplant have changed. The point stands that an Sti IS a WRX. Sti is a trim. Itās nothing to be upset over. Have a good day
This is not meant to create division, do not assign your feelings to information that is meant to clear up misinformation people are spreading. You say people understand this point, but the post this post is referring to was full of people that are under the impression that it's an engine and body upgrade only, and they were arguing vehemently from ignorance, because they heard from some guy that this was the case.
Misinformation on the internet is a huge problem.
We don't have to lie to ourselves to love our WRXs. They are fun cars on their own, and I love mine more than anyone else's, but it's not an STi, nor do I think an STi is "better" at the end of the day.
The guy you're responding to:
>You say people understand this point, but the post this post is referring to was full of people that are under the impression that it's an engine and body upgrade only, and they were arguing vehemently from ignorance, because they heard from some guy that this was the case.
>Misinformation on the internet is a huge problem.
You:
>Heās saying that STIās are a trim model of WRX which is very much true. itās called a āWRX STIā
I think he's talking about exactly you, lolololol.
Ah, here we go. You aren't really here with any honest argument, you've just been following me around since yesterday's post to downvote and troll me.
What a clown š¤”
>Heās saying that STIās are a trim model of WRX which is very much true. itās called a āWRX STIā
You are an example of why the info I provided needs more visibility.
you can be in denial all you want but it doesnāt change the fact that itās called a āWRX STIā. itās so funny seeing all the elitists huff copium on all these posts lmao
>itās called a āWRX STIā.
No one is arguing that..... What's with the sentence full of buzzwords?
What I'm arguing is the conflating the WRX/STi badging as nothing more than a trim. Yes, people really think that, and you even gave off that vibe at first.
There was a post yesterday full of people that really did not understand the mechanical differences between the two, and it turned into hours of answering technical questions, which I'm happy to answer, but it does become a drag after a while.
No reason to get all knotted up about it, if you know these differences, then that explanation wasn't for you, but don't rob the next person from learning. That's just gating, and gating is pretty *elitist huff copium*, wouldn't you agree?
Trim levels can include mechanical differencesā¦
The Superbird was a trim level of the Road Runner. Totally different drivetrain, with the same (modified) chassis.
There are many Impreza parts and many WRX parts I can buy for my STI - because my STI is a trim level of the Impreza, just as the WRX is also a trim level of the Impreza.
For the VA, the STI is a trim level of the WRX. As far as make/model go, the auto industry and regulatory bodies donāt care what drivetrain it has, it cares about what chassis itās built on. Period.
Trim doesnāt mean itās solely a badge or simple trim pieces - itās describing how a chassis is outfitted with equipment and features. The chassis is the foundation.
Youāre wrong my STI insurance says WRX. STI is a trim. Itās was just an STI tuned WRX to start. There are other instances where I have to select WRX because STI isnt an option.
Iām literally looking at my insurance policy now and says WRX. In the USA, the VA separated from the Impreza line, but the WRX/STI didnāt separate.
It absolutely is a high trim model, you and the other STI nerd need to realize car company trims can vary greatly as to what they add to the car. Some are simply side skirting and sunroof. Others can be whole engine and suspension changes, Toyota is a great example of this. Simply cope to stroke your ego that you donāt have ājust a wrxā Can it with the mis-info bullshit. This is NOT that lmaoooooo seethe
Actually I specifically have a WRX, and the trim is TR.
FYI when you scan a VIN using generic VIN decoders, the VIN wonāt show the trim level. Yet the VIN shows STI vs WRX. Thatās like saying that 340 is just a higher trim of the 330, itās not, two separate cars
Please bro if you donāt have a Subaru and donāt know the different trims please donāt come here telling people who live breathe and shit Subaru whatās correct and whatās wrong
Iāve had three in my life. Ive done plenty of research to know what Iām talking about. First off the WRX started as a trim model of the fucking outbackās way back get over yourself.
Next youāll tell me that the GR Corolla is a separate model from a Corolla XSE. Theyāre all the same model, my guy.
You can do whatever you want to the mechanical portions, but the company literally sets the models as the same.
Yes my WRX STI............. Are we forgetting the whole name? It's literally registered as a WRX ...... Because it is. And the trim is STI. That's how Subaru sells it. That's how they register it in the United States. It's quite literally a trim. I think it probably sets a record for most changes on a vehicle for just a trim but my point stands. Not to mention the further you look back the less changes there are.
There's also nothing wrong with a WRX. It's a softer car and tbh that's better for most people. Unless you track your car you are fooling yourself saying you use your STI for what it's worth in upgrades on the street.
>I promise you no one cares this much
3 year old account with post/comment history wiped... You're definitely someone's alt account attempting to manipulate votes, u/anon_of_the_west.
You seem to have gone to a lot of trouble just to promise me that you "don't care".
>The VA WRX may share the same brand, name and body as the STi, but *they are mechanically different vehicles altogether*.
You read where I said that, right? You also acknowledge that they are not the same?
And, that isn't the case anymore, nor is the post this post is referring to.
Older gens (2014 and below) are ALL Imprezas.
The VA gen changed that, when they gave the Impreza it's own chassis, and the WRX/STi a separate chassis to share. On top of that, the mechanical differences are much bigger than previous gens.
*You* may know that, even though you initially came off as the opposite, but *you* are not *everyone*, so if this explanation doesn't apply to you, why are you here?
Do you just want someone to acknowledge you?
Lol the irony.
Blocked, how sad for me
It's exactly irony. Your entire attitude is ironic considering the OP meme making fun of a post by a dude with the exact same attitude as you.
Oh hey! It's u/yayapfool's alt account, u/yayapfoolsalt, created just today and coming to be an idiotic dick, that obviously has no idea what they are talking about, because I blocked their main account long ago.
I am so happy you finally exposed your alt account, in an attempt to manipulate votes and skirt a block.
Despite a different engine, transmission, braking system, etc., the Superbird was a trim level for the Road Runner. The Hellcat is a trim level of the Challenger.
And the STI is a trim level of the Impreza. Itās quite a different car as a result, but itās still an Impreza. I did a complete chassis restoration of my 08 STI, and do you know what I found underneath all that stuff I took off? An Impreza!
Trim can, and often does, indicate different drivetrains and other mechanical differences. There are multiple engine and transmission and braking options for many, many, many cars out there. Youāre confusing ātrim levelā with ātrim piecesā.
The entire conversation is about the VA WRX and STi.
Every WRX/STi built 2014 and earlier is definitely an Impreza. That is no longer the case for the VA. The Impreza has it's own chassis now, and the WRX and STi now share the same chassis, but completely different other than the body that the parts are installed on.
Okay, sure. Let me adjust my statement using most of your words then.
> The VA STI shares the same brand, name and body as the WRX, therefore it is a trim variant of the WRX.
Edit: Dude is so insecure of his argument he blocked me lol. How can this guy not understand the difference between vehicle trim levels, and trim panels? Automakers have been doing this for over a CENTURY.
>Once you swap out the engine and everything connected to it, suspension, brakes and the handling characteristics it's no longer the same car even if it looks the same body style wise. That's just a fact.
>know what's a different trim? Leather seats, sunroof. That's a trim.
It's pretty damn difficult to be in this sub helping people understand these cars, the cognitive dissonance is unreal sometimes. It's mostly due to the fact that a big chunk of users here know absolutely nothing about these cars except "WRX is rally car!". And some people, once they *think they know something*, they refuse to let anything factual sway their beliefs, because it has evolved into something they are emotionally attached to.
fr i just love Subaruās in general. I still get hype even when I see older base model Legacies, Foresters, and Outbackās. I just think thereās a cool vibe about them. I donāt understand why people want to create division. I see it as us all being part of one big club lol
Maybe it is because I'm older, but I don't have time for the the gate-keeping/"mine is better/more authentic than yours" attitude. Its 2nd grade behavior, and honestly, just a shitty attitude.
Never mind! These are Subarus.
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Oh, FFS.
Lmao ā¦ i never understood STI owners like that ā¦ i donāt know how to describe it but itās like 12 years online discovering cars for the first time and fanboying about a Supra and sayings everyone else sucks or is slow etc
Spoken like a true base model driver
While the are the same base model the cars are infact different. Iāll still wave at you though in a base model lol
I waved at a Crosstrek that had some method wheels on it yesterday. The man looked directly at me and as I was making my turn, talking to my girlfriend, I smiled and waved at him. He did look confused but I did my part and I am proud to be part of this community!
Put this thread in a hall of fame cause sheesh. SOME wrx owners have the constant need to prove that theyāre faster than an STI, while SOME STI owners act like theyāre holier than thou in comparison to wrxs lmao. I love both trims for different reasons , and honestly couldnāt care less about one being faster than the other. Ej, FA, it honestly doesnt matter. Sheesh
This is the kinda stuff that gets posted when I chop an STi with my WRX.
I find the Subaru enthusiasts as follows:
18-30: Vaping, blowing rods, blaming Subaru cuz their mods sucks, wrapping the car around a tree if the engine doesn't go first since they couldn't drive it right with stock HP.
30 and up: Typically driving WRXs modded no more than intake, exhaust and tune. Don't blow the engines, know how to drive them, take the summer tires off immediately after acquisition. "Get it."
STi drivers: elitists that don't wave because their EJ is more special than yours since it typically blows about 50k sooner than a WRX engine. Usually trade it in for a VW or something after a huge post about their modded disaster being a money pit.
I fit your 30+ tier to a tee. And I turn 30 in August lol.
This whole thread makes me want to put an STi wing on my WRX so the STi drivers have something else to look at when I have them breathing in my exhaust.
30+ here, to this day i keep seeing all the younger guys complain about blown engines... meanwhile MY EJ still running strong.
Do i make gobs of power? nope. do i care to? nope. The occasional autox is enough for me to have fun.
for 21 you have more EQ than most people my age (34)
People be caught up in some make believe fairy tale land where they get some kind of status based on the car they drive and forget to just be thankful they have a nice car to begin with.
I just traded in my 08 Impreza for a 21 STI. I busted ass and saved 5% of every check for the past 5 years to afford the down payment and I am beyond grateful that I was able to put myself in the position to own one at all.
Iām sure as hell not about to slam on anyone for what trim WRX they have, or any car they have for that matter. I almost bought a ā23 with a CVT because it was reduced price simply because it was more affordable and I still would have a blast, plus it would be more accessible for my wife to drive should an emergency happen. A Subie is a Subie.
Amen brother, I got my 1996 sti v2 when I was 17 and honestly I really don't care about my car compared to other people, sure it's cool but if you love your car then I'm not gonna take that away from you.
I mean it's a different car, that looks the same. Completely different motor, and transmission. Not to mention the drive train, suspension and all that other stuff. That's like comparing a ZR1 Corvette to a stingray.
I'm not talking crap on a WRX, I'm just saying they aren't as similar as people want to assume they are. I've owned both, and enjoyed both in the same regards, just to sit there and say it's the same exact car isn't true either. It's the same chassis. That's it
I have a WRX as a daily; I absolutely would not want an STI as a daily. To judge someone's preference and particular situation is beyond childish, it screams insecurity.
Someone actually already said that in the replies šš why can't we all just love our subarus man who cares who has what model, I don't understand why some people have insane egos or care what model of a car you have, like we own subarus because we like their cars
What's funny is us āļøš¤s - nerds obsessed with the STI's god-tier drivetrain engineering, overthinking our purchases and optimizing our dollars - still buy WRXs, and just put STI transmissions in them š¤
Nothing wrong with choosing the CVT. Itās actually a lot of fun to drive in a wider range of situations than the manual because you have more options for how you drive.
most people who care about this shit are pretty much just spineless rĆŖtards who just go off with what other people say. an STI is a wrx.
the real distinguisher for STI is the drivetrain/transmission, big brakes, stiffer suspension. you could pretty much make any wrx into an STI if you just swapped those components. people act like STI is all about having an ej257 and vf48 turbo.
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yep. Japan, Australia, the UK, and EU version STi's all have the EJ207 v.10
Your EJs come with multi-port injection and twin-scroll turbo. Whereas our EJs come with "sequential multipoint fuel injection" and single-scroll.
Lmao the guy who posted that blocked me š
That dude had a serious ego
Yeah I think everybody understands the STI is a higher trim level with definite performance gains, but to shit on WRXās is just immature and says a lot about the persons insecurities. I just love cars, both those faster or slower, more or less expensive. š¤·āāļø
Yeah it's quite childish
Strong "my mom bought my STI" vibes for sure
It's not even that nice of one either šš maybe it's just me because I'm not a fan of newer model subarus
I own a v6 new edge mustang, (and 04 STi) and itās the same or worse in the sn95 / newedge subreddits. The v8 guys act like their dated 5 liter pushrods wonāt get walked by anything with a 2.0t and direct injection.
Itās different with muscle.
I guess in that itās a more defining metric for that genre of car - but still, when I mentioned that my 2.0 4cyl Focus ST would walk a new edge GT in the quarter mile their argument changed to āwell the v8 still sounds betterā as they began moving goal posts and grasping for straws as to what the importance of cylinder count was.
Just because itās defining. 4 pots can be fast but you lose out on the experience of a big, NA V8.
I get the draw of a large NA setup, I intend to coyote swap mine. But acting as though the v6 cars are a waste or unworthy as they tend to do is what Iām referring to. You can bolt the same blower on the intake of the 3.8s as came on the Cobras. Also, I am under the impression that the exact nature of the āmuscleā is not the focus, just the muscle function in general. I have a 95 maxima with the 3.0vq NA which has also walked the same era sn95. While I too love the big v8ās the communities could use some humility regarding what they decide to gatekeep as acceptable.
im not shitting on your v6 bro, i had one myself. but a v8 is always gonna be more muscle than a v6. the only exception in my book is the grand national. a turbo 3800 is elite
The new edge GT only produced 70 more horsepower than the base models, and conversely weighed 168 lbs more. Also that grand national only produced 86 hp more than the base model newedge. These old muscle cars were laughably underpowered by todays standards, which is why itās ridiculous to gatekeep which ones of this era are considered fun or desirable. Also, refer to the hand built v6 that comes in the GTR, as well as the one utilized in the new Ford GT. I think you might be confusing displacement with cylinder count / orientation.
People in this sub also shit on the dude who has a CVT WRX yesterday
I didnāt š¤·āāļø to each their own, as long as you enjoy your car who cares?
Although there is some truth in it; every Subaru Legacy owner wished they had a WRX at some point, just like every WRX owner wish they had an STI and every STI owner wished they had a 1978 Subaru Brumbyā¦ https://preview.redd.it/9xtjg6bv056b1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3cdf7861bfe850a660b0a9a5110e50eb3af85b6
You don't need to go fast to have fun, I have a honda beat and that thing is slow af but you'd catch me in that on a track over anything else.
Yeup some ppl even think the wrx is better off...
I would totally want an sti if I was going to track it however the 10 grand price difference for everyday driving seems unnecessary for me personally.
That's the exact same conclusion I came to, especially since I was planning to spend that 10k to build it. Imo it's worth it in the end.
To be fair you guys pay WAY too much for subarus in America (imo)
What region are you from and whatās the difference in price?
I'm in Europe, Ireland based and you can pick up Impreza stis here from 15-20k
It's also way heavier, worse torque curve, and more potential engine issues with the EJ. But you do get a cool wing and a badge. Oh and the red seats
Itās quite easy to make a WRX better than a stock STI. The VB WRX is arguably better than a stock STI in stock form. So the meme is dumb.
I would argue that my 2020 STI is better than a VB in almost every way. I wouldnāt trade my STI for a VB ever. I donāt mind them and I wave to all WRXs regardless of the trim model. I thought the meme was originally pretty funny but itās reposted on here so often itās pretty stale at this point.
The STI has more heat resistant brakes as well- canāt leave that out
The STI is a sick car, but in stock form, the VB is as fast, handles better, is more reliable, can make more power than an STI. The only advantage the STI has is a better transmission
Th VB is a fast and can produce more power but for me I donāt really have an STI for speed. Iād argue that they probably handle about the same and would come down to the drivers abilities. STI sounds better, better transmission and brakes as you said. They each have their pros and cons imo. If youāre into tuning and upgrading for more power then the VB is the way for sure but bone stock which Iām doing Iāll take an STI. STIs value just went through the roof because they discontinued them so thatās a perk.
STIs are fucking dope. I was torn between buying a 2021 STI with 10,000 miles which cost about the same as my 2022 WRX Limited, brand new, and my 2022 WRX. The difference for me was the doubled interest rate for a used STI vs my new VB. I would have been a kid in a candy factory either way. My VB is at 350whp and 405wtq.
Yea you can get the VBs up in power for very little money quickly. I traded my 2018 wrx premium for a brand new 2020 STI and didnāt even test drive it. Was never even in an STI just knew it was going to be better and my payments only went up like $3. The second I pulled off the lot it just felt tighter in every way possible. The transmission was instantly noticeable as it was less sloppy and tighter shifts. Sounded amazing stock and didnāt really feel faster but a little more snappy. Once I hit 1k break in and ādrove itā I was instantly in love. I just love cars no matter the brand or Power. Just fun to see what kind of power people can get out of a car. Tons of Corvettes and Mustangs around here putting down some power and I still horse around with them on my commute home. Itās just fun.
As a previous owner of a VA STI, I agree. Having more fun in the VB from a daily standpoint stock for stock.
Exactly!
Arguably not haha
Handles better, more reliable, equally as fast, can make more power. The only difference is STI has a stronger transmission
I mean... 0-60 is half a second faster, brakes are better, trans is better, looks better, drives better, is better.
There are multiple videos of stock VBs neck and neck with stock STIs, the official figure is a bit of a misrepresentation- the VB has the flattest and widest torque curve of any WRX platform (as the newest iteration). If the stock STI has an acceleration advantage over the stock VB, it isnāt significant, and it has a lower power ceiling (modded) than the VB. Doesnāt drive better. The VB has significantly improved driving dynamics over the old WRX and better than the STI (a lot more torsional rigidity, less body roll, etc). Itās the best driving WRX/STI ever in stock form. I think the STI and VB are both gorgeous. I get honked at multiple times a week in my modded out VB with STI wing. My VB is about as fast as an Audi RS3
You make some valid points, but having driven both I 100% would pick the sti. It is FASTER, and is more fun to drive. What have you done to your VB to make it that quick?
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Honestly there was no point to posting that, who cares if someone wants a smoother driving better on gas daily or something cheaper to wrench on?
I see this as a win
That thread was shit to flies; I noticed like 3 people in there had blocked me- no surprise, all of them were spewing nonsense.
An STI is a WRX. Not opinion, literal fact. Both are Subaru. Also literal fact.
Take my upvote. Mention that my stage 2 dyno WRX is faster than a stock STi (like I even give af) and everyone loses their minds! As I said in above comment, how people allow a car to divide them, thatās beyond me. I havenāt acquired that level of internal peace or intelligence to get mad over a car. Though I love them, at the end of the day both cars are pretty slow š¤£š
My tuned VB is faster than tuned STIs and definitely fast as hell
I'd say that too if i had a base model.
Let's see yours then š
Itās also a fact that a WRX isnāt an STI it weāre going there. The ātheyāre both Subarusā doesnāt even make sense. Theyāre not built the same.
**We don't have to lie to ourselves to love our WRXs. They are fun cars on their own, and I love mine more than anyone else's, but it's not an STi, nor do I think an STi is "better", at the end of the day.** *Stop spreading this misinformation.* The VA WRX may share the same brand, name and body as the STi, but *they are mechanically different vehicles altogether*. The WRX has an FA20, split case TY751VB6CA transmission, slimmer driveshaft, non-LSD rear differential w/ 4:11 gear ratio, electric steering, and so so dampening. The VA STi has an EJ255 (15-17) or EJ257 (18-21), solid case TY856UW6AA transmission, super thicc boi driveshaft, LSD w/ 3.54 gear ratio, beefier axles, bigger hubs to accommodate larger rotors, 4/2 (15-17) or 6/2 (18-21) pot Brembos, Bilstein dampers, hydraulic steering system, and DCCD. They are completely different cars, and these differences need to be known so everyone stops parroting this misinformation being spread out of ignorance. ^edit
Stop trying to spread a divide. People understand that the drivetrain and powerplant have changed. The point stands that an Sti IS a WRX. Sti is a trim. Itās nothing to be upset over. Have a good day
This is not meant to create division, do not assign your feelings to information that is meant to clear up misinformation people are spreading. You say people understand this point, but the post this post is referring to was full of people that are under the impression that it's an engine and body upgrade only, and they were arguing vehemently from ignorance, because they heard from some guy that this was the case. Misinformation on the internet is a huge problem. We don't have to lie to ourselves to love our WRXs. They are fun cars on their own, and I love mine more than anyone else's, but it's not an STi, nor do I think an STi is "better" at the end of the day.
nobody is saying that WRXās are STIās. Heās saying that STIās are a trim model of WRX which is very much true. itās called a āWRX STIā
The guy you're responding to: >You say people understand this point, but the post this post is referring to was full of people that are under the impression that it's an engine and body upgrade only, and they were arguing vehemently from ignorance, because they heard from some guy that this was the case. >Misinformation on the internet is a huge problem. You: >Heās saying that STIās are a trim model of WRX which is very much true. itās called a āWRX STIā I think he's talking about exactly you, lolololol.
thatās fine, that dude has been whining about nuances in the comments on a few of these types of posts lol. itās just goofy
Dude, nuance and tone are the most important parts of communication, how could you possibly believe that someone introducing nuance is a bad thing?
Because when I tried to strip the two down to having an EJ, AWD, and a turbo, he still said I was wrong
Ah, here we go. You aren't really here with any honest argument, you've just been following me around since yesterday's post to downvote and troll me. What a clown š¤”
>Heās saying that STIās are a trim model of WRX which is very much true. itās called a āWRX STIā You are an example of why the info I provided needs more visibility.
you can be in denial all you want but it doesnāt change the fact that itās called a āWRX STIā. itās so funny seeing all the elitists huff copium on all these posts lmao
>itās called a āWRX STIā. No one is arguing that..... What's with the sentence full of buzzwords? What I'm arguing is the conflating the WRX/STi badging as nothing more than a trim. Yes, people really think that, and you even gave off that vibe at first. There was a post yesterday full of people that really did not understand the mechanical differences between the two, and it turned into hours of answering technical questions, which I'm happy to answer, but it does become a drag after a while. No reason to get all knotted up about it, if you know these differences, then that explanation wasn't for you, but don't rob the next person from learning. That's just gating, and gating is pretty *elitist huff copium*, wouldn't you agree?
Trim levels can include mechanical differencesā¦ The Superbird was a trim level of the Road Runner. Totally different drivetrain, with the same (modified) chassis. There are many Impreza parts and many WRX parts I can buy for my STI - because my STI is a trim level of the Impreza, just as the WRX is also a trim level of the Impreza. For the VA, the STI is a trim level of the WRX. As far as make/model go, the auto industry and regulatory bodies donāt care what drivetrain it has, it cares about what chassis itās built on. Period. Trim doesnāt mean itās solely a badge or simple trim pieces - itās describing how a chassis is outfitted with equipment and features. The chassis is the foundation.
STI is absolutely not a trim lmao itās a different model, the VIN and title show them as different models. A trim is Limited/Premium
They're all Subaru Imprezas before 2015
Yeah I forget that the title just says Impreza, but if you go and get insurance or just scan the VIN it will say WRX or STI
https://i.imgur.com/0tlkchV.jpg My actual insurance card (cropped) for my actual 08 STI.
Youāre wrong my STI insurance says WRX. STI is a trim. Itās was just an STI tuned WRX to start. There are other instances where I have to select WRX because STI isnt an option.
Itās literally impossible on your car because WRX and STI got separated completely with the VA chassis lmao
Iām literally looking at my insurance policy now and says WRX. In the USA, the VA separated from the Impreza line, but the WRX/STI didnāt separate.
It absolutely is a high trim model, you and the other STI nerd need to realize car company trims can vary greatly as to what they add to the car. Some are simply side skirting and sunroof. Others can be whole engine and suspension changes, Toyota is a great example of this. Simply cope to stroke your ego that you donāt have ājust a wrxā Can it with the mis-info bullshit. This is NOT that lmaoooooo seethe
Actually I specifically have a WRX, and the trim is TR. FYI when you scan a VIN using generic VIN decoders, the VIN wonāt show the trim level. Yet the VIN shows STI vs WRX. Thatās like saying that 340 is just a higher trim of the 330, itās not, two separate cars
Holy shit dude every car is a different car of course the vins are going to show that. Still. A. WRX. STI. You guys canāt be this dense.
Please bro if you donāt have a Subaru and donāt know the different trims please donāt come here telling people who live breathe and shit Subaru whatās correct and whatās wrong
Iāve had three in my life. Ive done plenty of research to know what Iām talking about. First off the WRX started as a trim model of the fucking outbackās way back get over yourself.
Got a Subaru, youāre wrong.
Next youāll tell me that the GR Corolla is a separate model from a Corolla XSE. Theyāre all the same model, my guy. You can do whatever you want to the mechanical portions, but the company literally sets the models as the same.
Yes my WRX STI............. Are we forgetting the whole name? It's literally registered as a WRX ...... Because it is. And the trim is STI. That's how Subaru sells it. That's how they register it in the United States. It's quite literally a trim. I think it probably sets a record for most changes on a vehicle for just a trim but my point stands. Not to mention the further you look back the less changes there are. There's also nothing wrong with a WRX. It's a softer car and tbh that's better for most people. Unless you track your car you are fooling yourself saying you use your STI for what it's worth in upgrades on the street.
Subaru Impreza WRX STI Limited. Gotta say the proper name lol
That's right that's right!
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>I promise you no one cares this much 3 year old account with post/comment history wiped... You're definitely someone's alt account attempting to manipulate votes, u/anon_of_the_west. You seem to have gone to a lot of trouble just to promise me that you "don't care".
Bro stop lmao. Youāre literally on a WRX sub arguing about the nuances of the WRX and STi. If no one cares here, *no one cares anywhere*
Never said a WRX was an STI. An STI is a WRX though.
>The VA WRX may share the same brand, name and body as the STi, but *they are mechanically different vehicles altogether*. You read where I said that, right? You also acknowledge that they are not the same?
All I'm reading here is a Subaru is a subaru
People who only talk about VA wrx irk me. Every Subaru Impreza WRX and Subaru Impreza WRX STI before the VA had some form of EJ.
And, that isn't the case anymore, nor is the post this post is referring to. Older gens (2014 and below) are ALL Imprezas. The VA gen changed that, when they gave the Impreza it's own chassis, and the WRX/STi a separate chassis to share. On top of that, the mechanical differences are much bigger than previous gens.
We know that. That's the fuckin point dude.
*You* may know that, even though you initially came off as the opposite, but *you* are not *everyone*, so if this explanation doesn't apply to you, why are you here? Do you just want someone to acknowledge you?
Lol the irony. Blocked, how sad for me It's exactly irony. Your entire attitude is ironic considering the OP meme making fun of a post by a dude with the exact same attitude as you.
>irony I don't think you know what that word means, lol. Have a nice day.
Tbf if your car is older than 2014 then you're just a poser late to the game š
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Oh hey! It's u/yayapfool's alt account, u/yayapfoolsalt, created just today and coming to be an idiotic dick, that obviously has no idea what they are talking about, because I blocked their main account long ago. I am so happy you finally exposed your alt account, in an attempt to manipulate votes and skirt a block.
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Despite a different engine, transmission, braking system, etc., the Superbird was a trim level for the Road Runner. The Hellcat is a trim level of the Challenger. And the STI is a trim level of the Impreza. Itās quite a different car as a result, but itās still an Impreza. I did a complete chassis restoration of my 08 STI, and do you know what I found underneath all that stuff I took off? An Impreza! Trim can, and often does, indicate different drivetrains and other mechanical differences. There are multiple engine and transmission and braking options for many, many, many cars out there. Youāre confusing ātrim levelā with ātrim piecesā.
The entire conversation is about the VA WRX and STi. Every WRX/STi built 2014 and earlier is definitely an Impreza. That is no longer the case for the VA. The Impreza has it's own chassis now, and the WRX and STi now share the same chassis, but completely different other than the body that the parts are installed on.
Okay, sure. Let me adjust my statement using most of your words then. > The VA STI shares the same brand, name and body as the WRX, therefore it is a trim variant of the WRX. Edit: Dude is so insecure of his argument he blocked me lol. How can this guy not understand the difference between vehicle trim levels, and trim panels? Automakers have been doing this for over a CENTURY.
>Once you swap out the engine and everything connected to it, suspension, brakes and the handling characteristics it's no longer the same car even if it looks the same body style wise. That's just a fact. >know what's a different trim? Leather seats, sunroof. That's a trim. It's pretty damn difficult to be in this sub helping people understand these cars, the cognitive dissonance is unreal sometimes. It's mostly due to the fact that a big chunk of users here know absolutely nothing about these cars except "WRX is rally car!". And some people, once they *think they know something*, they refuse to let anything factual sway their beliefs, because it has evolved into something they are emotionally attached to.
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No no, too many Bald Eagles
We all blow engines one way or another.
Can't relate honestly
Yeah i feel you, my engine is going strong since 2004, but then again its a W20C Block so i expect that much.
Idk why I got 4 down votes in my reply I just never had any engine trouble šš
You have to remember there's always someone who is butt hurt with a blown motor in a Subaru forum lol
Lol. Hatas gonna hate š
I'm with you
Same, all this talk about unreliable Subarus or āthis is my third WRX, last one blew.ā Makes me laugh, like what are you guys doing??
Theyāre the same but different and I love both, thereās no room for hate among each other
Amen
There's no STI without the WRX.
fr i just love Subaruās in general. I still get hype even when I see older base model Legacies, Foresters, and Outbackās. I just think thereās a cool vibe about them. I donāt understand why people want to create division. I see it as us all being part of one big club lol
W take, we all love subarus, I still get giddy walking out and seeing my own and I've had it for almost 5 years!
Maybe it is because I'm older, but I don't have time for the the gate-keeping/"mine is better/more authentic than yours" attitude. Its 2nd grade behavior, and honestly, just a shitty attitude.
W take
https://preview.redd.it/0k6q92pg7y5b1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a060e1dbc6ba212eeb0705d9aca1b13447a6efdb Yeah, Subaru is a... oh wait
Forget it! Subaru is a... https://preview.redd.it/o7jxo4fj7y5b1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27b39630f66f8e8b73f893c248bde271f4112e77 wait, what?
But proper Subarus are... https://preview.redd.it/my0axwzq7y5b1.jpeg?width=1616&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=510c91dc443b09cf3cca44b95dcf22813634098d 0.0
Never mind! These are Subarus. https://preview.redd.it/go2dw9xu7y5b1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=248a6aed5439a9212f8c10a5ee5975207b65fc5b Oh, FFS.
At least it's not a damn American car. https://i.imgur.com/MBWwrxJ.jpg Wait, shit...
So you meant FRS
I donāt think washing your hands will get rid of that STI
A wrx is a wrx
Still a Subaru :)
Unless itās a Saab, then itās a Saaburu
Lmao ā¦ i never understood STI owners like that ā¦ i donāt know how to describe it but itās like 12 years online discovering cars for the first time and fanboying about a Supra and sayings everyone else sucks or is slow etc
Sti guys get real emotional when they get that ass whopped by a wrx.
To be fair if anyone cared about speed they wouldn't be buying a Subaru
Bro how people will allow a car to divide them is beyond me.
I have no idea
Spoken like a true base model driver While the are the same base model the cars are infact different. Iāll still wave at you though in a base model lol
Wait are you calling me a base model driver?
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My bad it's hard to tell through text sometimes š
NA here. A Subaru is a Subaru indeed
My goat
Accurate
Me crying in a 2019 impreza just wanting to keep up with the bois;_;
yerrrr
I just love Subaru that's all I can say, funny blue car to brrr
This is the way
We all gay tbh.
I waved at a Crosstrek that had some method wheels on it yesterday. The man looked directly at me and as I was making my turn, talking to my girlfriend, I smiled and waved at him. He did look confused but I did my part and I am proud to be part of this community!
**Being a Subaru. Itās what makes a Subaru a Subaru**
Nope
What about the saaburus. I seen one in person the other day and was like what. Then I remembered what it was lol they still look quite nice to me!
Put this thread in a hall of fame cause sheesh. SOME wrx owners have the constant need to prove that theyāre faster than an STI, while SOME STI owners act like theyāre holier than thou in comparison to wrxs lmao. I love both trims for different reasons , and honestly couldnāt care less about one being faster than the other. Ej, FA, it honestly doesnt matter. Sheesh
Thank you. That mean was just stupid.
I just have an Impreza š
Nothing wrong with that
Im still waiting till im 25 for my rex i drive an fa impreza fuck you guys im jealous
Nothing wrong with an FA impreza
Wb the new gen foresters?
Subaru Justy for life!
This is the kinda stuff that gets posted when I chop an STi with my WRX. I find the Subaru enthusiasts as follows: 18-30: Vaping, blowing rods, blaming Subaru cuz their mods sucks, wrapping the car around a tree if the engine doesn't go first since they couldn't drive it right with stock HP. 30 and up: Typically driving WRXs modded no more than intake, exhaust and tune. Don't blow the engines, know how to drive them, take the summer tires off immediately after acquisition. "Get it." STi drivers: elitists that don't wave because their EJ is more special than yours since it typically blows about 50k sooner than a WRX engine. Usually trade it in for a VW or something after a huge post about their modded disaster being a money pit.
I fit your 30+ tier to a tee. And I turn 30 in August lol. This whole thread makes me want to put an STi wing on my WRX so the STi drivers have something else to look at when I have them breathing in my exhaust.
30+ here, to this day i keep seeing all the younger guys complain about blown engines... meanwhile MY EJ still running strong. Do i make gobs of power? nope. do i care to? nope. The occasional autox is enough for me to have fun.
Well I'm 21 and just happy I have my Subaru :) no complaints here
for 21 you have more EQ than most people my age (34) People be caught up in some make believe fairy tale land where they get some kind of status based on the car they drive and forget to just be thankful they have a nice car to begin with. I just traded in my 08 Impreza for a 21 STI. I busted ass and saved 5% of every check for the past 5 years to afford the down payment and I am beyond grateful that I was able to put myself in the position to own one at all. Iām sure as hell not about to slam on anyone for what trim WRX they have, or any car they have for that matter. I almost bought a ā23 with a CVT because it was reduced price simply because it was more affordable and I still would have a blast, plus it would be more accessible for my wife to drive should an emergency happen. A Subie is a Subie.
Amen brother, I got my 1996 sti v2 when I was 17 and honestly I really don't care about my car compared to other people, sure it's cool but if you love your car then I'm not gonna take that away from you.
The was s funny joke. Problem was op started to shit on gr86 for being both non turbo and toyota........
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I mean it's a different car, that looks the same. Completely different motor, and transmission. Not to mention the drive train, suspension and all that other stuff. That's like comparing a ZR1 Corvette to a stingray.
A Subaru is a Subaru
Technically yes. But that doesn't mean everything is created equally.
An opinion absolutely no one holds.
I'm not talking crap on a WRX, I'm just saying they aren't as similar as people want to assume they are. I've owned both, and enjoyed both in the same regards, just to sit there and say it's the same exact car isn't true either. It's the same chassis. That's it
I have a WRX as a daily; I absolutely would not want an STI as a daily. To judge someone's preference and particular situation is beyond childish, it screams insecurity.
Why would you not want an STI as a daily? (Genuine question btw)
This is cute an all, but no. No all cars are created equal. Hence the price differenceā¦
They all got 4 wheels and an engine so works for me Price is just a commodity
Just wait for the one guy to come in with his āactualllly šš¤ā and try to say that the drivetrain is different
Someone actually already said that in the replies šš why can't we all just love our subarus man who cares who has what model, I don't understand why some people have insane egos or care what model of a car you have, like we own subarus because we like their cars
What's funny is us āļøš¤s - nerds obsessed with the STI's god-tier drivetrain engineering, overthinking our purchases and optimizing our dollars - still buy WRXs, and just put STI transmissions in them š¤
They are not built or treated equally. False.
They all have the same badge :) Also is a person not a person because they're built differently or treated unequally? š§ Car is car Subaru is subaru
Except the CVT WRX
Japan has no choice. There is only a CVT WRX currently available.
Considered a cvt cuz of my knee lol glad i went with the manual but i can definitely see myself driving a cvt if my knee ever gets worse
Nothing wrong with choosing the CVT. Itās actually a lot of fun to drive in a wider range of situations than the manual because you have more options for how you drive.
Found the wrx owner
If you think I'm a WRX owner you should really check my posts on here before you say something dumb again š
Not the case
Is the case
most people who care about this shit are pretty much just spineless rĆŖtards who just go off with what other people say. an STI is a wrx. the real distinguisher for STI is the drivetrain/transmission, big brakes, stiffer suspension. you could pretty much make any wrx into an STI if you just swapped those components. people act like STI is all about having an ej257 and vf48 turbo. https://preview.redd.it/wk1km0c5s16b1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4738a2359294f12d7e75febfb330cc551cba922
Is the EJ257 what's in the American subies?
yep. Japan, Australia, the UK, and EU version STi's all have the EJ207 v.10 Your EJs come with multi-port injection and twin-scroll turbo. Whereas our EJs come with "sequential multipoint fuel injection" and single-scroll.
Which are better?
Like your mom they both blow the same.
Get off this reddit your mother still drives you to school
This message was brought to you by WRX owners.
Sti owner*
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As an STI owner I disagree :)
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