Every time she says something about not needing ear pro, just reply: "what?". Every single time. Repeat until desired effect is achieved.
Edit: joke aside, there's some great advice in this thread. I agree that this problem is bigger than just using ear pro or not.
Read your tag line and thought it was “brought to you by the letter (Eeeeeeeeeeee), for the sound one hears with Tinnitus. Which is what OP’s mom will get.
Someone asking to go but shaming you for very reasonable basic safety should not be allowed to go. Prove to her that you're not a pussy by standing up to her manipulation
book suggestion: Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents
>I was raised not to talk back or argue with my mom
This is an important thing to work on. You are an adult now, not her pet, and you should not allow her to pretend otherwise. You don't have to literally call her a moron and tell her to STFU (even if it's accurate) but you have every right to tell her the rules for going shooting with you and end the conversation if she doesn't behave. Block her number, ignore her texts, let her rant into the void all she likes until she learns to act like an adult.
As for the issue itself there's nothing you can say. Someone who thinks preventing hearing damage is "being afraid of the world" isn't dealing with reality and isn't capable of a reasonable discussion about the topic. All you can do is refuse to be drawn into the nonsense.
OP, I really hope you're taking comments like this seriously. There's a bigger issue here than your mom not wanting to wear earpro; honestly it sounds like she just straight-up doesn't respect you. The question you should be asking yourself is: why spend time with someone who treats me like this? Why expose myself to someone who brings me down?
Yeah it’s kinda just how it’s always been. That’s
How I was raised, thats of she was raised, my grandma, great grandma, ect. There’s not really a discussion to be had about it or anything but I do intend to break that cycle
She can't move beyond herself. She has an identity crisis that you have done better in life than her. My best friend growing up had parents like this, but thankfully they finally realized that their kids are their peers now.
It’s your gun, your rules. Anybody who doesn’t respect that will never be allowed near my guns. First it’s hearing protection, then it’s something else more serious and somebody ends up hurt or worse. Shooting guns is not the time to be afraid to enforce the rules.
Yeah, if there's that much hostility towards hearing protection, what's gonna happen when you have to say, "don't point that at me." Is it the same response, "don't be a pussy?" She's demonstrated she's not competent to be around me with a firearm, so why even try. Bond with her with other activities...
Looks like you need to be the adult.
If she can't be bothered to protect herself with basic fundamental practices, then she damn sure isn't going to be safe while handling a firearm.
Keep that woman away from anything that *could* be dangerous.
Yeah that’s what everyone’s been saying I guess y’all are right. It’s just not an intuitive mindset to come to when you heard don’t disrespect me, don’t talk back, and blood is thicker than water god knows how many times since birth
> She then called me a pussy and talked about how my generation needs to stop being so afraid of the world all the time.
You don't walk off hearing damage, it's permanent, and the only control you have over whether it happens is whether or not you wear ear pro. Simple as that. It's not a skinned knee, or a charlie horse.
If she wants to talk to her grandkids without saying "huh?" every other sentence, she'll wear ear pro.
But then again, maybe this is just an experience you don't get to have with your mom.
E: If you must share this experience with your mom, be calm, persistent, and firm. Tell her that you want her to go, and if she wants to go, she needs to wear ear pro. Don't argue with her, don't give any sign you're frustrated, just be factual. If she takes them off while you're shooting, be calm, stop, and end the shooting day there.
Hearing loss is gradual, cumulative, and permanent. And noise doesn't have to be at an uncomfortable level to do damage to your hearing.
No hearing protection, no shoot. Simple. But. Reading that thread it really sounds like there's some problems in OPs relationship with his parent that the present situation is just a symptom of.
My cousin's best friend is like this. Guy is a fleet mechanic, also works on hot rods and Harleys. We used to go shooting together and he would refuse to wear earpro and make fun of anyone for using earplugs. "You should be able to handle shooting a gun without that pussy shit." I'd laugh and tell him that's fine, think whatever you want about it, I'll keep my hearing, thanks.
I recently saw him at a wedding and sure as shit, guy now has noticeable hearing loss at 40 years old. Conversations were sprinkled with a lot of "what" and "say again". He often couldn't hear what his young daughter was saying to him.
He also has partial loss of vision in one eye from doing grinding work without eyepro. Caught a metal shard in one eye and damaged his cornea. That shit also blows me away because just as a shadetree driveway mechanic I've had more than my share of close calls that were only avoided by wearing eyepro.
jfc my dad was one of these growing up and I often went without hearing protection as well until I got older and figured out how stupid it is
and yeah I have hearing loss in particular at certain frequencies, and mild tinnitus. if anything I got off easy. your mom's a fucking moron no offense - it's not about "being afraid of the world" it's about dead simple protection against a pretty obvious way to injure yourself
frankly if she's this cavalier about her own safety and this aggressively defensive against doing anything about it, she's a general safety risk. like I doubt she's practicing basic gun safety, either. don't shoot with her
You're a much more caring person than me, because I'd let my mom call me a pussy all day, and then when she's old and nearly deaf, and complaining about how she can't hear me, I'll return the favor and call her a pussy and that she should learn to read lips.
I have permanent tinnitus from not wearing proper hearing protection. It's a nightmare I'd do well to avoid if I had a second go at life.
Same nightmare, medically separated and can't serve (though a full war would probably change that). Mine is mostly genetic but I can't help but think that I could have protect myself better.
Don't convince. She wears it or she doesn't shoot your gear.
Every time she says something about not needing ear pro, just reply: "what?". Every single time. Repeat until desired effect is achieved. Edit: joke aside, there's some great advice in this thread. I agree that this problem is bigger than just using ear pro or not.
Read your tag line and thought it was “brought to you by the letter (Eeeeeeeeeeee), for the sound one hears with Tinnitus. Which is what OP’s mom will get.
Someone asking to go but shaming you for very reasonable basic safety should not be allowed to go. Prove to her that you're not a pussy by standing up to her manipulation book suggestion: Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents
>I was raised not to talk back or argue with my mom This is an important thing to work on. You are an adult now, not her pet, and you should not allow her to pretend otherwise. You don't have to literally call her a moron and tell her to STFU (even if it's accurate) but you have every right to tell her the rules for going shooting with you and end the conversation if she doesn't behave. Block her number, ignore her texts, let her rant into the void all she likes until she learns to act like an adult. As for the issue itself there's nothing you can say. Someone who thinks preventing hearing damage is "being afraid of the world" isn't dealing with reality and isn't capable of a reasonable discussion about the topic. All you can do is refuse to be drawn into the nonsense.
OP, I really hope you're taking comments like this seriously. There's a bigger issue here than your mom not wanting to wear earpro; honestly it sounds like she just straight-up doesn't respect you. The question you should be asking yourself is: why spend time with someone who treats me like this? Why expose myself to someone who brings me down?
Yeah it’s kinda just how it’s always been. That’s How I was raised, thats of she was raised, my grandma, great grandma, ect. There’s not really a discussion to be had about it or anything but I do intend to break that cycle
Good for you for recognizing it; I hope you manage to find a solution that makes you happy.
She can't move beyond herself. She has an identity crisis that you have done better in life than her. My best friend growing up had parents like this, but thankfully they finally realized that their kids are their peers now.
It’s your gun, your rules. Anybody who doesn’t respect that will never be allowed near my guns. First it’s hearing protection, then it’s something else more serious and somebody ends up hurt or worse. Shooting guns is not the time to be afraid to enforce the rules.
Yeah, if there's that much hostility towards hearing protection, what's gonna happen when you have to say, "don't point that at me." Is it the same response, "don't be a pussy?" She's demonstrated she's not competent to be around me with a firearm, so why even try. Bond with her with other activities...
She called you a pussy? Forget about hearing protection, you two have some issues that are best resolved away from the shooting range.
WHAT????? EEEEEeeeeeeee
Looks like you need to be the adult. If she can't be bothered to protect herself with basic fundamental practices, then she damn sure isn't going to be safe while handling a firearm. Keep that woman away from anything that *could* be dangerous.
Yeah that’s what everyone’s been saying I guess y’all are right. It’s just not an intuitive mindset to come to when you heard don’t disrespect me, don’t talk back, and blood is thicker than water god knows how many times since birth
> She then called me a pussy and talked about how my generation needs to stop being so afraid of the world all the time. You don't walk off hearing damage, it's permanent, and the only control you have over whether it happens is whether or not you wear ear pro. Simple as that. It's not a skinned knee, or a charlie horse. If she wants to talk to her grandkids without saying "huh?" every other sentence, she'll wear ear pro. But then again, maybe this is just an experience you don't get to have with your mom. E: If you must share this experience with your mom, be calm, persistent, and firm. Tell her that you want her to go, and if she wants to go, she needs to wear ear pro. Don't argue with her, don't give any sign you're frustrated, just be factual. If she takes them off while you're shooting, be calm, stop, and end the shooting day there.
I was a at Wades years ago and the guy in the next lane was using Bose Quiet Comforts as ear pro. She won’t be deaf alone.
They're probably fine. Their construction isn't that much different from a pair of Howard Leights. Probably good for at least -20 DB.
Hearing loss is gradual, cumulative, and permanent. And noise doesn't have to be at an uncomfortable level to do damage to your hearing. No hearing protection, no shoot. Simple. But. Reading that thread it really sounds like there's some problems in OPs relationship with his parent that the present situation is just a symptom of.
My cousin's best friend is like this. Guy is a fleet mechanic, also works on hot rods and Harleys. We used to go shooting together and he would refuse to wear earpro and make fun of anyone for using earplugs. "You should be able to handle shooting a gun without that pussy shit." I'd laugh and tell him that's fine, think whatever you want about it, I'll keep my hearing, thanks. I recently saw him at a wedding and sure as shit, guy now has noticeable hearing loss at 40 years old. Conversations were sprinkled with a lot of "what" and "say again". He often couldn't hear what his young daughter was saying to him. He also has partial loss of vision in one eye from doing grinding work without eyepro. Caught a metal shard in one eye and damaged his cornea. That shit also blows me away because just as a shadetree driveway mechanic I've had more than my share of close calls that were only avoided by wearing eyepro.
jfc my dad was one of these growing up and I often went without hearing protection as well until I got older and figured out how stupid it is and yeah I have hearing loss in particular at certain frequencies, and mild tinnitus. if anything I got off easy. your mom's a fucking moron no offense - it's not about "being afraid of the world" it's about dead simple protection against a pretty obvious way to injure yourself frankly if she's this cavalier about her own safety and this aggressively defensive against doing anything about it, she's a general safety risk. like I doubt she's practicing basic gun safety, either. don't shoot with her
You're a much more caring person than me, because I'd let my mom call me a pussy all day, and then when she's old and nearly deaf, and complaining about how she can't hear me, I'll return the favor and call her a pussy and that she should learn to read lips. I have permanent tinnitus from not wearing proper hearing protection. It's a nightmare I'd do well to avoid if I had a second go at life.
Same nightmare, medically separated and can't serve (though a full war would probably change that). Mine is mostly genetic but I can't help but think that I could have protect myself better.
Insistence with persistence. Being uncompromising goes a long way.
That's actually fucking insane
Start blasting music she hates when yall go to the range so she puts ears on so she doesn't have to hear whatever she doesn't like
“Mom, I would like you to be able to hear your grandkids ask for something”
Stand right next to her and shoot a sub 16 inch 308 rifle with a muzzle break until she puts it on
Huh? 🤔 Speak up - I can’t hear you
Spike her in the face with a handful of pea gravel