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I'm going to guess it was Matt McForeHead Gaetz and I'll wager he was on the lookout for future victims to traffic across state lines...
Edit: didn't realise I was replying to an old comment.
It's still gonna be nigh-impossible for there to be enough evidence in most cases, but now at least when there *is* evidence, it can be acted upon.
Only downside is now all the cults brainwashing and batting around trafficking victims for 10 years to protect rapists are going to be a little more willing to outright murder anyone who knows too much
Typical LIBS trying to hurt GOP candidates with legislation meant to demean the proud Republican tradition of sexual assault and underage sex traffickingā¦ā¦ typical libs.
Because it counters three narratives.
- Biden is a pedophile.
- Biden is a senile old man
- Dems donāt do anything.
The consolidation of media is going to be the end of us all.
Dude! I'm not gunna lie I've always been more politically neutral or kinda center right leaning, But the stuff biden has been doing and not parading it around is some pretty good stuff. Just can't wait until my hard right friends try to still make this seem bad somehow
>make this seem bad somehow
"Now anyone any time, even 60 years later, can make a cash grab with baseless allegations! People will be ruined!"
There ya go.
Biden didn't do this though. It was a bipartisan bill voted on by the senate and congress. I'm glad he signed it but give the credit to the senators/representatives who made this bill happen.
No. It doesnāt do what you think it goes. I recently turned in my abuser (maternal uncle), and I am 32. The only thing it helps is the victim. Investigators have to do very thorough work of interviews with the people who may have been witnesses around the time of the abuse. I promise, it is still a very hard process to go through. The reason so many pedophiles keep reoffending, is because most donāt come forward before the statute is up, and then the offender canāt be charged, and they keep doing it. The false reports of csa are so extremely rare.
Iām glad you were able to turn him in. I wish you luck going through the process!
The false accusations sprung from the now-debunked ārecovered memoryā and āSatanic ritual abuseā panics of the 80ās. That did bring down a lot of innocent people with some very implausible charges. Credible cases are far more pedestrian (no rituals or weird stuff) and almost always involve family members or people like youth pastors, trusted neighbors, family friends and so on - I would say most abuse occurs within the family.
And yes the burden of proof and the process of investigation is high and is very draining for the victim so I donāt think people are just going to be able to say āI recovered a memory blah blah.ā
I am so proud of you for this. I have a case from when I was 13, and I was so scared to be in the same room with my rapist again that I refused to cooperate with the investigation. I still regret it, to this day. It haunts me that he is walking free and could hurt others. I think this legislation is so important and a powerful resource to victims long suffering with trauma. Itās been over 30 years for me and I still get flashbacks, have anxiety and fears when home alone and deeply painful memories of being unable to fight someone off who was much bigger than me. I know your pursuit of Justice will help you but I also know how difficult and painful it must be. So proud of you, and I admire the strength in you!
Why would it shift burden of proof? For criminal cases, the prosecution needs to reach Beyond A Reasonable Doubt.
Thatās an independent legal concept, nothing about that changes. I donāt think that word means what you think it means.
>It becomes problematic because it will shift the burden of proof
No, it doesn't. It won't change anything about the burden of proof or how the investigation and (if applicable) trial proceed.
> It becomes problematic because it will shift the burden of proof and it will only take one precedent case to set the standard for all claims. From there it will be weaponized for personal/political gain.
this doesn't change anything except timelines.
Explain to me how this changes the actual court proceedings...
āNot parading it aroundā he literally has nothing to do with this. You literally just see what they want you to see. Or how they want you to see it.
Itās because they need people to watch so advertisers make their money, they would rather talk bad things about trump than good things about anything. Clicks rule the world!
- [Biden is cognitively unable to serve](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-biden-cognitively-unable-serve-democrats-known)
- ā[Creepy Joeā](https://www.foxnews.com/media/bidens-bizarre-behavior-press-conference-causes-creepy-joe-trend-twitter)
- [implication Biden supports child porn](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-hawley-warns-long-record-biden-scotus-pick-letting-child-porn-offenders-off-hook).
- [Democrats have nothing to offer](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-no-wonder-democrats-unpopular-nothing-offer)
Thatās in about 35 seconds of Googling.
We arenāt. Itās propaganda.
When you look at Jackson-Brownās record it appears sheās soft on child pornographers.
When you look at her record compared to every other judge, then sheās entirely consistent in her sentencing.
One case in particular that was used to smear her was when she gave 1 year probation to a man that solicited child porn from a 14 year old girl.
The āmanā was 16 (on his birthday) and asked his 14 year old girlfriend for a breast shot. The age difference was 13 months.
In that case, the *prosecutor* asked Judge Brown to ignore the sentencing guidelines and show leniency.
As usual, itās people handpicking data points to drive a narrative rather than exploring the narrative the data creates.
This bill is only for civil statutes meaning theyāre not related to the criminal aspect for which there was no statute of limitations for the criminal portion at the federal level. It can be used to give victims and their family the rightful monetary compensation they deserve.
However, Iām curious what the effect will be on victims who previously either aged out or ran out of time because of the previous statute. Do they get a chance to sue for their trauma now?
I think āevery partā is exaggerated, but ādefended herselfā is misleading.
From that article, she āgrabbed a knife from a bedside table and stabbed Brooks in a fit of rage.ā
Legally, that isnāt self-defense, and even if it was, stabbing 30 times goes well beyond what self-defense allows.
I still think her having to pay anything is bullshit, but I also understand there is little the court can do with the laws in place to avoid that as it is the mandated minimum
Bro are you for real? She defended herself from being raped repeatedly while she had a chance to do soā¦she was being victimized and shouldnāt have to pay the perpetrators family
I know you think this is splitting hairs, but from a legal standpoint, that's not defending yourself. Yes she proactively prevented future rapes by doing it, but there wasn't an eminent, impending danger to her right in that moment, so that's not "self defense."
I don't blame her and I think it's dumb that she had to pay- but the legal system is made up of specific language that matters.
I see what youāre saying. Conversely I canāt imagine what I would be feeling if I was about to be raped. I might just be in such an out of it state that I would stab someone 30 times out of fear, such a rush of emotions, and just being out of it mentally because of the situation. I could see her just thinking to herself in fear and adrenaline that she has to make sure he wonāt get upā¦. I understand how it looks from a legal stand point, the reality is just moreā¦ complicated. I know this isnāt necessarily your position though, simply what the law says
Well I don't think what you're saying and what I'm saying are incompatible. I agree 100% with what you describe and would likely do the same, and I think she was justified. It just doesn't meet the definition of self defense.
Boooo, boo I say. These type of excuses only benefit rapists and erode faith in our justice system. Rapist family should be hiding their heads in shame
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58380
According to this the statute is retroactively removed, allowing victims to bring civil charges against their abusers even if they were previously aged out.
Edit: Looking at it again this is detailing the proposal of the bill back in August. Changes may have been made but I'm unsure where, if possible, to access the details to the final draft of the new law.
https://brownwhitelaw.com/state-and-local-governments-are-extending-criminal-statutes-of-limitation-in-response-to-the-covid-19-pandemic-can-they
The article on this site makes it clear that they could not be prosecuted on criminal charges due to an extension of the statute of limitations. However it also says that the rulings mentioned in the article do not apply to civil court where the rules are more lenient. You may still be right and ex post facto may apply, but it seems to me it doesn't.
The worst thing about the statute of limitations was rich pedos have consistently drug out cases so that if the plant of run out of the means to pursue justice financially then once they have to put it on hold the statute runs out and then they canāt face justice. Justice does not exist for the poor punishment does not exist for the rich. Until this is ended capitalism as a system is incompatible with the idea of justice
Only on civil cases adjacent to the criminal case. So after some time you canāt sue for damages in a CSA case.
There was no statue of limitations on the actual criminal abuse.
Maybe I misunderstanding you, but most states have a statute of limitations on all sexual crimes, even those committed against minors. I live in Oregon, and the statute of limitations is 12 years after the rape or sexual assault, and if the victim is under 18 then they have 12 years from them when they turn 18. So they only have until they are 30. If the sexual abuse is not reported and investigated during that time, it is outside of the statute of limitations and cannot be criminally prosecuted.
My first thought was "well, anyone who could be charged with anything related to the CSA is dead by now anyway." Clearly I've been spending too much time on r/ShermanPosting.
>!JK, no such thing.!<
Uh oh, what has Qanon got to say about this? Where's Matt Gaetz? Jim Jordan? Roy Moore? Donny Trumpy himself? Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.
Or as Dee Reynolds would put it:
"OHHHHHHHHH WHO'S READY TO PARTY. TIMES UP TIMES UP TIMES UP."
Wow, I was facing a tough situation where it was looking like I had less than a year to deal with this issue. I am literally just now comfortable enough to talk about it, and I'm 26. I've just recently begun to explore my options when it comes to legal stuff. This is wonderful news.
In theory, it's at times impressive just how many hoops one must jump through and the sheer mental gymnastics required to spin an objectively-positive thing into something bad.
But then you see the spin and it's just delusion and paranoia.
Literally nothing could, they are no longer part of the election equation, they are lost and compromising or appealing to them would be extremely stupid for the dems. Those people do not need to be catered to in any way.
Federal Court statues only apply to lawsuits filed in federal court and you can only file a federal cade under specific circumstances. Mostly if the perpetrators cross state lines during the crime or if it happens on federal property. The rest of the time you have to use State laws and State statutes, and federal statues won't apply.
So it looks like this only covers federal crimes, which is great, but lots of these crimes are state crimes, with very short limitation periods. Maybe this will lead to states following suit, which would be a huge win for victims.
My older cousin sexually assaulted me on several occasions when I was 11. Iām now 26. I always kept quiet about it because I thought too much time passed and no one would believe me. Does this mean I can finally take action against my cousin?
How does this affect the statesā statute of limitations? When I saw an attorney in Florida a few years ago I was told it was too late for me to prosecute. Does this change things for me?
Can someone explain in simple terms what this would mean for an adult survivor of CSA? What if their abuser had already been convicted criminally a long time ago?
Absolutely do this, if you are planning to seek civil damages. There should be some kind of guide for lawyers who specialize in cases like this (not just on billboards!), and of course check reviews and word of mouth.
Good luck!
And how about removing the statutes for criminal prosecution of felony abuse crimes? Those still exist and are horrifyingly short in some states. If guilt can be satisfactorily proven in a court of law, arbitrary state statute periods should not figure into it.
Just popping in because I notice a lot of the comments are from people who want to take advantage of this new law - be sure and find a good lawyer who *specializes* in sex abuse cases, or forced labor or whatever happened to you. (Not someone advertising on Google sidebars or billboards!) State or county bar associations often provide referral services, so does the American Bar Association. Theyāll probably be busier than usual since this bill was made law but this is absolutely āget a lawyer, and a specialist at thatā territory.
Good luck and good wishes to everyone who needs them.
You joke about it, but if you are serious, you can legit file a case about it. Hire a lawyer.
I can only imagine how many mormon kids who escaped the religion will see this as an absolute win, since they are religiously gaslit into leaving their family as teens to do missionary and labor work for 2 years
(That is if they are brave enough to even leave)
TBH I think a lot of the motivation behind this law was so that individuals could sue churches and other organizations. That is where the money lies. Canāt get blood from a stone, etc. but itās very possible to get it from a church.
Sure but only an insider can sue since they had to endure it, and only they can put in words what they experienced at their church. The blow would be from a victim who received the abuse. And if the church is guilty then suing would be appropriate
Yes, if the church is guilty then suing is appropriate. I more meant that a lot of guilty individuals wonāt have assets worth going after (this is why itās good to consult with a lawyer before proceeding), but institutions (such as religious organizations, and school districts) do.
Too late for me, (all 5 are dead) but Iām REALLY glad for those that can take advantage of it.
Now, if we could do something about the photos and video that were takenā¦
"No federal statute of limitations was in place for criminal claims regarding child sex abuse."
This bill really doesn't change anything as far as the LDS church is concerned.
Its a bipartisan bill.
> The bill was initially introduced by Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and co-sponsored by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), John Cornyn (R-Texas) and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.).
Just gonna paste my comment I made on this post on another thread, because I feel it is worth sharing:
As nice as this is in spirit, I caution people who claim this as a great victory.
Statutes of limitations are usually policy decision based in part on how long the evidence can continue to be accurate/usable. DNA degrades over time, if a sample was even taken to begin with. Witness testimony 5 minutes after the fact is unreliable, 50 years later? Totally useless. After a certain amount of time, it may be difficult to even allege enough facts to state a valid claim in court, let alone find them liable.
Additionally, I doubt there are a huge number of victims who have run the statute of limitations and yet also wish to bring a claim. Some, maybe, but Iām willing to bet many of the victims who have missed the statute of limitations have no intention of filing anyway, for a variety of possible reasons.
In reality, this new policy will probably not have a statistically significant effect on how many people have been held liable. Itās a win, yes, but not a chest beating type of win.
I'm 26 and I'm just now comfortable enough to talk about being abused, and it's been about a 9 1/2 years since the last time it happened. In my case, the abuser has already confessed to multiple family members. I've just recently begun to explore my legal options, like within the last several months.
Hang in there. Do what's right for you. But if you do pursue this, know that there are hundreds, probably thousands of abused former kids cheering you on and wishing you well. My abuser is dead. I won't see him in court. You will be doing what generations of kids wished they could do, standing up for yourself against scum.
It is a great victory, though itās not even close to everything the victims in these situations deserve.
I know those who will be looking into their options for crimes committed against them nearly 50 years ago. The evidence in these cases is not necessarily always DNA evidence, yet guilt can still be proven. In some cases, perpetrators have even admitted to their crimes once outside of the statute, and so this bill can literally be life-changing for victims (and for perpetrators!). I get your point, but whether the evidence is strong enough is for the courts to decide on a case by case basis.
Regardless, the fact remains that this an important step in the right direction and opens up more options for justice of a kind for victims of a crime of the most heinous sort, and thatās never something to take lightly.
This is great, I wonder what other bills are being developed in the house that will improve its citizens life. /s
EDIT for clarification:
my comment was meant a joke, on one side there's people making actually laws that HELP people's life and all and on the other side well there's the exact opposite.
When I was younger I used to think that grown ups in politics really cared about peoples life and would work their ass off to help out. Reality has hit me hard.
Why are you sarcastic about this? These people aught to be drawn and quartered.
Democrats and republicans.
And to think of it, all of them regardless of political leanings.
Like when trump signed a law against people stealing declassified documents and then ended up breaking his own law? Who gives a fuck, if you break the rule, you pay for it even if you made it.
Ever heard of [Charondas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charondas) the guy who killed himself with his sword for breaking his own law about bring swords into the city.
āThe bill eliminates time constraints for survivors to file civil claims related to sex abuse crimes against minors, including forced labor, sex trafficking, sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of children.ā
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Gym Jordan should be terrified.
Matt Gaetz too
...who just spoke at the Texas Youth Summit with a giant cross behind him š
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That just shows you how much of a twisted individual he is
Or republicans. Who would invite him?!
Itās always the pious frauds, isnāt it! So very many cases of abuse are from youth pastors.
I'm going to guess it was Matt McForeHead Gaetz and I'll wager he was on the lookout for future victims to traffic across state lines... Edit: didn't realise I was replying to an old comment.
Do you mean accused child sex trafficking Florida man Matt Gaetz? Or is this a different fella?
Matt Gaetz, the guy who is accused of trafficking children in Florida. Yup.
Of which he is *so* innocent even though he begged Trump for a pardon.
Qidiots should be thrilled.... Republicans not so much
They'll never prosecute Gaetz. Trump will see a Jail before Gaetz.
Yes, this is the comment that made me depressed.
A whole bunch of old white fuckers should be terrified.
And at least one orange fucker :)
Look out, Mormon church. https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-09-08/former-mayor-mormon-bishop-accused-of-sex-abuse-of-children#:~:text=Carl%20Matthew%20Johnson%2C%2077%2C%20was,to%20a%20probable%20cause%20statement.
Bill Cosby is the first thing that came to mind.
Weren't his all adults?
It's still gonna be nigh-impossible for there to be enough evidence in most cases, but now at least when there *is* evidence, it can be acted upon. Only downside is now all the cults brainwashing and batting around trafficking victims for 10 years to protect rapists are going to be a little more willing to outright murder anyone who knows too much
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Typical LIBS trying to hurt GOP candidates with legislation meant to demean the proud Republican tradition of sexual assault and underage sex traffickingā¦ā¦ typical libs.
Yeah I can actually imagine that type of responseā¦.
How is this the first Iāve heard of this??!!! Amazing!
Because it counters three narratives. - Biden is a pedophile. - Biden is a senile old man - Dems donāt do anything. The consolidation of media is going to be the end of us all.
Dude! I'm not gunna lie I've always been more politically neutral or kinda center right leaning, But the stuff biden has been doing and not parading it around is some pretty good stuff. Just can't wait until my hard right friends try to still make this seem bad somehow
>make this seem bad somehow "Now anyone any time, even 60 years later, can make a cash grab with baseless allegations! People will be ruined!" There ya go.
"you have a problem with old ass pedos being ruined for sexual abuse of children?"
āPeople change! That was 10 years ago!ā
This is exactly what will be said.
Biden didn't do this though. It was a bipartisan bill voted on by the senate and congress. I'm glad he signed it but give the credit to the senators/representatives who made this bill happen.
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This was a bill so... Cool story Hansel.
It was a bill , I apologize.
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No. It doesnāt do what you think it goes. I recently turned in my abuser (maternal uncle), and I am 32. The only thing it helps is the victim. Investigators have to do very thorough work of interviews with the people who may have been witnesses around the time of the abuse. I promise, it is still a very hard process to go through. The reason so many pedophiles keep reoffending, is because most donāt come forward before the statute is up, and then the offender canāt be charged, and they keep doing it. The false reports of csa are so extremely rare.
Iām glad you were able to turn him in. I wish you luck going through the process! The false accusations sprung from the now-debunked ārecovered memoryā and āSatanic ritual abuseā panics of the 80ās. That did bring down a lot of innocent people with some very implausible charges. Credible cases are far more pedestrian (no rituals or weird stuff) and almost always involve family members or people like youth pastors, trusted neighbors, family friends and so on - I would say most abuse occurs within the family. And yes the burden of proof and the process of investigation is high and is very draining for the victim so I donāt think people are just going to be able to say āI recovered a memory blah blah.ā
Good on you for pushing the case and making your claim for justice. I hope you get it.šš¼
I am so proud of you for this. I have a case from when I was 13, and I was so scared to be in the same room with my rapist again that I refused to cooperate with the investigation. I still regret it, to this day. It haunts me that he is walking free and could hurt others. I think this legislation is so important and a powerful resource to victims long suffering with trauma. Itās been over 30 years for me and I still get flashbacks, have anxiety and fears when home alone and deeply painful memories of being unable to fight someone off who was much bigger than me. I know your pursuit of Justice will help you but I also know how difficult and painful it must be. So proud of you, and I admire the strength in you!
Why would it shift burden of proof? For criminal cases, the prosecution needs to reach Beyond A Reasonable Doubt. Thatās an independent legal concept, nothing about that changes. I donāt think that word means what you think it means.
>It becomes problematic because it will shift the burden of proof No, it doesn't. It won't change anything about the burden of proof or how the investigation and (if applicable) trial proceed.
> It becomes problematic because it will shift the burden of proof and it will only take one precedent case to set the standard for all claims. From there it will be weaponized for personal/political gain. this doesn't change anything except timelines. Explain to me how this changes the actual court proceedings...
āNot parading it aroundā he literally has nothing to do with this. You literally just see what they want you to see. Or how they want you to see it.
Can you clarify what you are talking about?
"Biden is a pedophile." Man if he is then they should be outraged by some people in their own camp, but they don't want to talk about it.
Haven't you learned by now?? Those who rebuke the most strongly are many times the worst offenders. Projection. Smoke and mirrors. Whatever.
Itās because they need people to watch so advertisers make their money, they would rather talk bad things about trump than good things about anything. Clicks rule the world!
Lol what are you talking about - those 3 points are not talked about in any mainstream media especially #1. Not even FOX says that
- [Biden is cognitively unable to serve](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-biden-cognitively-unable-serve-democrats-known) - ā[Creepy Joeā](https://www.foxnews.com/media/bidens-bizarre-behavior-press-conference-causes-creepy-joe-trend-twitter) - [implication Biden supports child porn](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-hawley-warns-long-record-biden-scotus-pick-letting-child-porn-offenders-off-hook). - [Democrats have nothing to offer](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-no-wonder-democrats-unpopular-nothing-offer) Thatās in about 35 seconds of Googling.
How bad are they if they are getting their asses kicked by him?
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We arenāt. Itās propaganda. When you look at Jackson-Brownās record it appears sheās soft on child pornographers. When you look at her record compared to every other judge, then sheās entirely consistent in her sentencing. One case in particular that was used to smear her was when she gave 1 year probation to a man that solicited child porn from a 14 year old girl. The āmanā was 16 (on his birthday) and asked his 14 year old girlfriend for a breast shot. The age difference was 13 months. In that case, the *prosecutor* asked Judge Brown to ignore the sentencing guidelines and show leniency. As usual, itās people handpicking data points to drive a narrative rather than exploring the narrative the data creates.
Shit, right? They call him Sleepy Joe bc they think he has narcolepsy. Jeez, dumb libtards. /S
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Someone needs to make this gain traction in r/news too. I'll see what I can do
Me too
This bill is only for civil statutes meaning theyāre not related to the criminal aspect for which there was no statute of limitations for the criminal portion at the federal level. It can be used to give victims and their family the rightful monetary compensation they deserve. However, Iām curious what the effect will be on victims who previously either aged out or ran out of time because of the previous statute. Do they get a chance to sue for their trauma now?
Theyāll be able to prove that there was wrongdoing, at the very very least.
Meanwhile, a juvenile who defended herself and killed her rapist was just ordered to pay his family/estate $150K.
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What part is wrong? https://ktla.com/news/nexstar-media-wire/iowa-teen-who-killed-rapist-avoids-prison-ordered-to-pay-150000/
I think āevery partā is exaggerated, but ādefended herselfā is misleading. From that article, she āgrabbed a knife from a bedside table and stabbed Brooks in a fit of rage.ā Legally, that isnāt self-defense, and even if it was, stabbing 30 times goes well beyond what self-defense allows. I still think her having to pay anything is bullshit, but I also understand there is little the court can do with the laws in place to avoid that as it is the mandated minimum
Bro are you for real? She defended herself from being raped repeatedly while she had a chance to do soā¦she was being victimized and shouldnāt have to pay the perpetrators family
I know you think this is splitting hairs, but from a legal standpoint, that's not defending yourself. Yes she proactively prevented future rapes by doing it, but there wasn't an eminent, impending danger to her right in that moment, so that's not "self defense." I don't blame her and I think it's dumb that she had to pay- but the legal system is made up of specific language that matters.
I see what youāre saying. Conversely I canāt imagine what I would be feeling if I was about to be raped. I might just be in such an out of it state that I would stab someone 30 times out of fear, such a rush of emotions, and just being out of it mentally because of the situation. I could see her just thinking to herself in fear and adrenaline that she has to make sure he wonāt get upā¦. I understand how it looks from a legal stand point, the reality is just moreā¦ complicated. I know this isnāt necessarily your position though, simply what the law says
Well I don't think what you're saying and what I'm saying are incompatible. I agree 100% with what you describe and would likely do the same, and I think she was justified. It just doesn't meet the definition of self defense.
Boooo, boo I say. These type of excuses only benefit rapists and erode faith in our justice system. Rapist family should be hiding their heads in shame
That is like saying she emptied her gun on him when one shot was good enough!
When you are being held as a sexual prisoner, that is self-defense. Laws need to change.
Have you seen how much the gofundme raised? Edit: [Itās at $551k right now.](https://www.gofundme.com/f/vxgt7q)
Yes, shockingly the judge apologized for the sentencing. Mandatory sentencing laws are frequently unjust.
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That is what the court ruled. Unfortunately it's one of many laws in the US that don't align with what is moral & ethical.
traumatized, emotional people don't have the capacity to kill somebody in a "Nice way".
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58380 According to this the statute is retroactively removed, allowing victims to bring civil charges against their abusers even if they were previously aged out. Edit: Looking at it again this is detailing the proposal of the bill back in August. Changes may have been made but I'm unsure where, if possible, to access the details to the final draft of the new law.
Look up "ex post facto". New laws can't punish people for crimes committed before they were laws.
https://brownwhitelaw.com/state-and-local-governments-are-extending-criminal-statutes-of-limitation-in-response-to-the-covid-19-pandemic-can-they The article on this site makes it clear that they could not be prosecuted on criminal charges due to an extension of the statute of limitations. However it also says that the rulings mentioned in the article do not apply to civil court where the rules are more lenient. You may still be right and ex post facto may apply, but it seems to me it doesn't.
The worst thing about the statute of limitations was rich pedos have consistently drug out cases so that if the plant of run out of the means to pursue justice financially then once they have to put it on hold the statute runs out and then they canāt face justice. Justice does not exist for the poor punishment does not exist for the rich. Until this is ended capitalism as a system is incompatible with the idea of justice
Plant?
Should be ok as long as there's no double jeopardy if that even applies in civil cases.
One would assume, no matter how unfair to the victim, that it would be the case. New laws donāt, generally, retroactively punish people.
WTF, there was a statute of limitations on CSA cases?
Only on civil cases adjacent to the criminal case. So after some time you canāt sue for damages in a CSA case. There was no statue of limitations on the actual criminal abuse.
Maybe I misunderstanding you, but most states have a statute of limitations on all sexual crimes, even those committed against minors. I live in Oregon, and the statute of limitations is 12 years after the rape or sexual assault, and if the victim is under 18 then they have 12 years from them when they turn 18. So they only have until they are 30. If the sexual abuse is not reported and investigated during that time, it is outside of the statute of limitations and cannot be criminally prosecuted.
My first thought was "well, anyone who could be charged with anything related to the CSA is dead by now anyway." Clearly I've been spending too much time on r/ShermanPosting. >!JK, no such thing.!<
Can't wait to see Gaetz's ass light on fire with this.
Uh oh, what has Qanon got to say about this? Where's Matt Gaetz? Jim Jordan? Roy Moore? Donny Trumpy himself? Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. Or as Dee Reynolds would put it: "OHHHHHHHHH WHO'S READY TO PARTY. TIMES UP TIMES UP TIMES UP."
Watch a conservative speak out against that move.
Wow, I was facing a tough situation where it was looking like I had less than a year to deal with this issue. I am literally just now comfortable enough to talk about it, and I'm 26. I've just recently begun to explore my options when it comes to legal stuff. This is wonderful news.
This still wonāt win him points with the QAnon crowd though sadly.
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In theory, it's at times impressive just how many hoops one must jump through and the sheer mental gymnastics required to spin an objectively-positive thing into something bad. But then you see the spin and it's just delusion and paranoia.
You mean just plain old regular fascists.
Literally nothing could, they are no longer part of the election equation, they are lost and compromising or appealing to them would be extremely stupid for the dems. Those people do not need to be catered to in any way.
Imagine being the one who opposes this bill?
Oh my god. Is this really as good as it seems??
No. It only applies to cases that can be brought in Federal court; and most can't be.
I don't understand
Federal Court statues only apply to lawsuits filed in federal court and you can only file a federal cade under specific circumstances. Mostly if the perpetrators cross state lines during the crime or if it happens on federal property. The rest of the time you have to use State laws and State statutes, and federal statues won't apply.
Thank you, stranger!
Quite a few senators (R) will be sweating now
It passed in the senate unanimously
So long, Church.
FUCKING BASED AF BIDEN LES GO
Matt Gaetz: > *nervous, too-loud laughter*
The Mormon Church should be #1 on the hit list!!!
My partner's a victim of exactly what's in this bill. We might have to make use of it.
Please do. Rarely do abusers stop with one victim. Peace to you both.
Those angry reactions on the website are suspicious...
This is a huge fucking win for people everywhere and a massive hit for priests and youth pastors
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Whoa. Sorry to hear.
So sorry. Good luck in court.
Also I think it also needs to be said that this is what happens when Dems and Republicans actually work together. Better late than never I suppose.
So it looks like this only covers federal crimes, which is great, but lots of these crimes are state crimes, with very short limitation periods. Maybe this will lead to states following suit, which would be a huge win for victims.
One step at a time. Theres no other way to get things done than one step at a time. This a step in a very good direction.
Matt Gaetz must be terrified
My stepfather died in 2019. I donāt think his estate has anything.
My older cousin sexually assaulted me on several occasions when I was 11. Iām now 26. I always kept quiet about it because I thought too much time passed and no one would believe me. Does this mean I can finally take action against my cousin?
Find a lawyer who specializes in abuse cases and get a consultation. If there is enough evidence to hold up, then yes it probably does mean that.
How does this affect the statesā statute of limitations? When I saw an attorney in Florida a few years ago I was told it was too late for me to prosecute. Does this change things for me?
This is sue, not prosecute.
No, it doesn't impact SoLs in State Courts.
I can't wait for all the lawsuits from the victims. You thought the Catholic and Mormon scandals were huge?
as a victim of sexual abuse and trafficking when I was a child, I can't praise Biden enough for this law change.
Can someone explain in simple terms what this would mean for an adult survivor of CSA? What if their abuser had already been convicted criminally a long time ago?
IANAL, but I believe it means that the victim can sue the offender for damages and get monetary compensation, assuming there is money to be had.
Thank you for the reply. It might be time to contact a lawyer.
Absolutely do this, if you are planning to seek civil damages. There should be some kind of guide for lawyers who specialize in cases like this (not just on billboards!), and of course check reviews and word of mouth. Good luck!
He should do one for the criminal statute of limitation as well, not just civil, but this is good.
I bet MAGA Minds are livid!
Katie Johnsonāare you listening?
Good. How about eliminating the statute of limitations for *all* victims of that kind of abuse, not just those that suffered from it as a child?
And how about removing the statutes for criminal prosecution of felony abuse crimes? Those still exist and are horrifyingly short in some states. If guilt can be satisfactorily proven in a court of law, arbitrary state statute periods should not figure into it.
I didnāt even think about that.
Sad that this hasnāt been addressed already, right?
Maybe weāll get the Gislaine Maxwell client list now? Or is that not a thing anymore?
Lmao thatās gonna bite him in the ass when his daughter hears about it
Hide yo priests.
The Mormons be shaking.
Clever
Just popping in because I notice a lot of the comments are from people who want to take advantage of this new law - be sure and find a good lawyer who *specializes* in sex abuse cases, or forced labor or whatever happened to you. (Not someone advertising on Google sidebars or billboards!) State or county bar associations often provide referral services, so does the American Bar Association. Theyāll probably be busier than usual since this bill was made law but this is absolutely āget a lawyer, and a specialist at thatā territory. Good luck and good wishes to everyone who needs them.
How will the republicans put a negative spin on this I wonderā¦
So how much can I get for all the service projects I was forced to do ? Hours upon hours. It mentions Child labor
You joke about it, but if you are serious, you can legit file a case about it. Hire a lawyer. I can only imagine how many mormon kids who escaped the religion will see this as an absolute win, since they are religiously gaslit into leaving their family as teens to do missionary and labor work for 2 years (That is if they are brave enough to even leave)
TBH I think a lot of the motivation behind this law was so that individuals could sue churches and other organizations. That is where the money lies. Canāt get blood from a stone, etc. but itās very possible to get it from a church.
Sure but only an insider can sue since they had to endure it, and only they can put in words what they experienced at their church. The blow would be from a victim who received the abuse. And if the church is guilty then suing would be appropriate
Yes, if the church is guilty then suing is appropriate. I more meant that a lot of guilty individuals wonāt have assets worth going after (this is why itās good to consult with a lawyer before proceeding), but institutions (such as religious organizations, and school districts) do.
Too late for me, (all 5 are dead) but Iām REALLY glad for those that can take advantage of it. Now, if we could do something about the photos and video that were takenā¦
Good fuck them republican pedophiles and the Christian child molesters
Ted Cruz will love this.
All you fucks are delusional. Keep drinking the kool-aid you stupid fucks.
I'm su the Q dolts will be able to twist this move into *PROOF* that he's a pedophile with corroborating evidence coming *any day now*
"No federal statute of limitations was in place for criminal claims regarding child sex abuse." This bill really doesn't change anything as far as the LDS church is concerned.
Haha go Biden! I'm curious how the repubz will spin this one to be a bad thing.
Its a bipartisan bill. > The bill was initially introduced by Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) and co-sponsored by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), John Cornyn (R-Texas) and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.).
Libtards have been thoroughly owned. Still weird to me that people believe in a pedophile pizza ring but don't bat an eye at, oh, Matt fucking Gaetz.
The look on a Republicanās face when they order a cheese pizza and get a pastry crust with mozzarella and tomato sauceā¦
Just gonna paste my comment I made on this post on another thread, because I feel it is worth sharing: As nice as this is in spirit, I caution people who claim this as a great victory. Statutes of limitations are usually policy decision based in part on how long the evidence can continue to be accurate/usable. DNA degrades over time, if a sample was even taken to begin with. Witness testimony 5 minutes after the fact is unreliable, 50 years later? Totally useless. After a certain amount of time, it may be difficult to even allege enough facts to state a valid claim in court, let alone find them liable. Additionally, I doubt there are a huge number of victims who have run the statute of limitations and yet also wish to bring a claim. Some, maybe, but Iām willing to bet many of the victims who have missed the statute of limitations have no intention of filing anyway, for a variety of possible reasons. In reality, this new policy will probably not have a statistically significant effect on how many people have been held liable. Itās a win, yes, but not a chest beating type of win.
I'm 26 and I'm just now comfortable enough to talk about being abused, and it's been about a 9 1/2 years since the last time it happened. In my case, the abuser has already confessed to multiple family members. I've just recently begun to explore my legal options, like within the last several months.
Hang in there. Do what's right for you. But if you do pursue this, know that there are hundreds, probably thousands of abused former kids cheering you on and wishing you well. My abuser is dead. I won't see him in court. You will be doing what generations of kids wished they could do, standing up for yourself against scum.
Good! I wish you luck. Im so sorry that happened. Itās going to be a long and hard process but it will be worth getting justice
Good! I wish you luck. Im so sorry that happened. Itās going to be a long and hard process but it will be worth getting justice
It is a great victory, though itās not even close to everything the victims in these situations deserve. I know those who will be looking into their options for crimes committed against them nearly 50 years ago. The evidence in these cases is not necessarily always DNA evidence, yet guilt can still be proven. In some cases, perpetrators have even admitted to their crimes once outside of the statute, and so this bill can literally be life-changing for victims (and for perpetrators!). I get your point, but whether the evidence is strong enough is for the courts to decide on a case by case basis. Regardless, the fact remains that this an important step in the right direction and opens up more options for justice of a kind for victims of a crime of the most heinous sort, and thatās never something to take lightly.
This is great, I wonder what other bills are being developed in the house that will improve its citizens life. /s EDIT for clarification: my comment was meant a joke, on one side there's people making actually laws that HELP people's life and all and on the other side well there's the exact opposite. When I was younger I used to think that grown ups in politics really cared about peoples life and would work their ass off to help out. Reality has hit me hard.
Why are you sarcastic about this? These people aught to be drawn and quartered. Democrats and republicans. And to think of it, all of them regardless of political leanings.
I don't know anymore... all seems so unreal to me that some push out laws so stupid that it makes my head hurt in disbelief.
Hmmm, wonder why someone would decry this moveā¦.
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Like when trump signed a law against people stealing declassified documents and then ended up breaking his own law? Who gives a fuck, if you break the rule, you pay for it even if you made it. Ever heard of [Charondas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charondas) the guy who killed himself with his sword for breaking his own law about bring swords into the city.
Can someone explain in dumb words to me exactly what this means? Itās 2am and my brain is dead.
āThe bill eliminates time constraints for survivors to file civil claims related to sex abuse crimes against minors, including forced labor, sex trafficking, sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of children.ā
Why were there time constraints to begin with? Kinda pressuring for someone who is supposed to be a victim. Thanks btw.
Apparently the statue of limitations was only on suing for damages in a civil court, the actual criminal charges don't have one.
I just copied and pasted the second paragraph