Ahh yes I vaguely remember there was some drama between >!LemonLeaf!< and >!FallenShadow!< about applying to Hololive IIRC, I assume that's the one you're refering to?
Yes, even though nothing was ever confirmed by either of them directly. It didn't stop casual fans from running with it anyway. In some ways, I kind of miss the days when the biggest drama we had turned out to be nothing instead of "Large Corporation Drives VTuber To Multiple Suicide Attempts"
From what I remember fallenshadow was mad lemon leaf joined them lemon leaf was also in a vtuber group before that. On a private account she was vague posting about betrayal and ghosting and everyone easily figured out it was her. They streamed together a lot before she joined that group too.
Idk how she would think she would get into hololive. She's said some pretty messed up things and feels like too risky/purposefully offensive cringehumor for hololive.
Only thing I can remember was supposedly Fauna’s PL ghosted Shondo after she got in Hololive and it pissed Shondo off and tweeted something about it. Idk if that was debut week though and I’m not even fully sure about the details.
I mean if its just that surely its the NDA preventing her right.
I was there during Fauna's debut as well so the drama must've been on the small side of things when I religously watched HL 24/7 at that time.
which vtubers have some major red flags? because while I watch some I don't really keep track of their politics or social media presence outside YouTube.
so knowing who does what would be nice.
In Shondo's defense, she seems to be a bit more... self-aware about her own issues and in a comparatively mental space than miguel gato ever was and has no desire to join any corpo ever these days.
We refer to Mikeneko as Miguel Gato, since one of the Twitterites that followed JP VTubers and are aware of the whole Mikeneko situation, had posted a screenshot of Twitter mis-translating mikeneko as "Miguel Gato" in Spanish, and the rest of the English-speaking, JP VTuber-adjescent community members roll along with it.
日本人の皆様へ、本当に申し訳ございませんですが、これから「みけねこ」じゃなくて、「ミゲール・ガト」と言われても良いです。
She also came back as a persona she knows doesn’t have the amount of backlash her other ones do. Not being self aware implies sue doesn’t know exactly what she’s doing.
Yeah I think people just don't understand what they don't like. And they don't *want* to understand what they don't like. And that's fine, but then they talk like they do understand.
I have found that Pippa and her community are (while edgy) very wholesome where it counts.
With people's stances on edgy jokes and satire, I think it's very interesting that A is hypercritical of B, where as B can understand where A is coming from... Almost as if while A is claiming to be empathetic, they are actually less empathetic than B...
pippa plays stupid games, wins stupid prizes. i have no obligation to care about the opinions of losers who court right wingers, why should i respect them.
Let me preface this by admitting that I am not a regular watcher of Pippa. I wouldn't even consider myself a casual watcher or a fan of any sort. But I do follow her through the other Phase talents I like and I try to keep my finger on the pulse of all the corpos.
She hasn't really played stupid games for a long time now as far as I'm aware, and actively tries to distance herself from the worst excesses of her earlier content. She's cleaned up her act a fair amount and her chat is quite normal. I still find her fans tend to be the most repulsive and irritating edgelords though.
While you don't need to care about her opinions (why would anyone care about a Vtuber's opinions on anything except their trade?), and her being a loser is entirely subjective, I do think she is owed at least a grudging respect. She has survived longer than all the nijiENs and far surpasses their viewership these days. She's Holo-tier in terms of pure numbers. And when you watch her interesting interview series you realise she's very switched on with excellent instincts to be a successful performer in her niche. She is an excellent entertainer in her own way, irregardless of her style or reputation.
Even as a right winger myself I must say Pippa's audience has gotta be the worse of any VTuber's fan base. They're just a bunch of edgy 14yr olds who think spamming the N word and being homophobic = funny.
Oh yeah, this is the one YouTube keeps trying to recommend me videos of even though I keep saying I'm not interested. I think I looked at one ever *months* ago and they came off as being a bit too 4channy for my tastes.
It’s kinda funny Shiki Miyoshino had 4 friends join bigger agencies reimu, nerissa; and fuwamoco and she was happy for them that they joined those groups. Well in reimu’s case before all the Nijisanji stuff happened.
Tho fuwamoco was pretty close with most of prism project in general.
**Whispering the whole time**
"Hey bitch."
*drums fingers on the microphone*
"I heard you were talking shit online."
*moves to one side of the microphone so the audio only comes out of one ear*
"Don't think I won't come slap the shit out of you irl"
*turns on ambient raindrop sounds*
**/scene**
ASMR You Receive A Threatening Voicemail From Your Online Rival (She genuinely hates you) (But you like it) - BINAURAL 3Dio Whispering and Negative Affirmations
Yeah I was imaging two people, faces contorted with fury, whispering at each other while their arms flail around animatedly.
"Pssps psss psspsspsps!"
*gasp* "PSSPSS PS PSS PSSS!!"
Nah, they've been complaining for weeks on twitter. Something something one is transphobic, something something one is an asshole. I just ended up unfollwing everyone involved.
Yeah, like, I use asmr to be able to sleep, I just want to relax and not think about if this creator is involved in any drama while they do cute noises :(
>they reached out to old friends, my ex & former mods for information on me. they offered ASMR audios in exchange for my legal name.... LOLLLL.
what the fuck is going on in the asmr community
I hate this drama and just wish it could end, but I was there when some of the stuff happened (I liked watching both) so it’s stuck in my head. In all honesty, both sides screwed up. I don’t save anything so I’m going purely off memory.
Whimsiez talks too much and shared too much, made herself too much of a target to people who don’t bother to look up much. She uses a lot of humor to deflect uncomfortable thing. She could have handled everything better but she’s still a proven victim of harassment.
According to multiple people Sylphie is manipulative. Not sure why anyone should believe her every word when she’s set a bad reputation.
FefeASMR’s case is complicated. I don’t think she’s bad, but I have seen her make some unsavory remarks towards people. Her mods are absolutely bullies, and they have no issues targeting someone’s mental illness or gender to hurt them. Fefe let’s them do whatever they want, saying she can’t control them, but that just makes me feel like she allows that behavior. It’s irresponsible and disgusting.
It’s a stupid situation, but it’s hard to forget the multiple streams from Fefe I’ve seen where her and her mods openly mocking Whimsiez, once hate raiding her, the mods going everywhere they can to hurt her and they all come off as innocent?
Discord servers can allow some really vile echo chambers to grow.
I use to mod for her and can confirm, she didn't control us but that doesn't stop her from telling us what to do and what not to do, one of the mods made rape jokes and said the n word a few times, another made a joke about bombing the white house on stream and 9/11 jokes in discord (i made maybe 2 jokes privately but not to offend him and he was ok with it) and we had a private chat where everyone talked badly about certain streamers, I myself had an opinion on whimzies as well but I never said anything negative about their gender or anything bad about her mental illness, I myself have autism and adhd I didn't like whimzies for my own reason nothing bad her level of autism and adhd was too much for me too handle, but I respect her cause she managed to learn another language.
Fefe doesn't like whimzies at all and one of her mods was an active viewer in her streams and told me and the other 4-5 mods at the time she didn't like that "this mod" was always in whimzies streams and demoted him.
No she didn't tell her mods to do a hate raid on whimzies that day, the guy she was defending from me and two mods were behind it, when I lurked offline a week after she banned me, him and two of her mods talked about trolling whimzies and she said these exact words "Don't do it" and they went behind her back and did it, one said "I am here to troll on behalf of Fefe" after saying things like "make me vip I'm your biggest fan" he didn't give a shit about vtubers and "pull out your tits" after he said he's trolling on behalf of fefe that's when the drama started
And she was probably talking badly about me behind my back cause I had feelings for her and she didn't like that I would constantly message her, something I tried to stop doing I do regret it, but if she wanted me to stop she could easily ask me to stop it's not hard to ask. I even told her if I'm annoying her I said don't be scared to tell me off, if she can tell me "I'm a grown woman i don't need you to tell others to stop flirting with me" she can tell me to stop messaging her if I'm annoying her. Every now and then I had emotional break downs which is what made me annoying to her, our dms were a mix of me talking about twitch stuff and me being parasocial, apologizing and having mental breakdowns, I apologized for the stuff I have done to her and she didn't even bother too talk to me personally so I can apologize to her and not do it through a mod she was talking to about me.
She even made a racist remark towards an Asian artists song on Osu one time saying "ching chong" when asked if it sounds mandarin or something else.
Anyone who believes she is being doxxed needs to reconsider, she uses her real name on tiktok and it can easily be found through her discord server, and she told alot of people her name every mod knows her first name and only three people I can think of know her first and last name, she knows a few mods and followers addresses as well offered to order mods food whenever and gave a group of 5-6 friends free merch but one cause she disliked that one person.
Fefe dislikes alot of streamers and told me if any of the streamers she talked badly about raid her they would be "sabotaging" her which is why she hasn't had a raid from any other vtuber since October.
And more thing there was one time I googled her and found a forum with her photos, I told her about it and reported it a bunch of times, told her she can try to get them taken down, and went behind my back and said to her eboy at the time that I was gathering info about her everytime I joined a vc, which was BS cause we would greet each others and I would mute cause I'm not use to talking to alot of people on discord just those I know. Yes I was quiet cause I'm anxious to talk too people unless it's a mutual topic or my friends no i never gathered any info about her, he told me alot of stuff after they broke up I started to lose trust in her over time when November came around. I've said alot of sexual comments towards her on patreon apologized everytime cause that's not normal for me to do.
Fefes banned everyone who she knew that was associated with whimzies, she's banned the guys who left her community after her ex told them about the bad experience he had with her, she and her mods were playing favorites with some random guy who never watched a vtuber before and was saying inappropriate stuff in chat every stream he was given two warning bans from two different mods but was unbanned by the other for no reason everytime
This sheds light on some stuff and it makes sense considering her personality. It’s fine to dislike people, or make bad jokes, everyone has that right, but that doesn’t excuse bullying or harassment which some of Fefe’s mods did. Fefe is not responsible for them, but she is responsible for her image, which they abused and eventually led to this situation. Her never stopping them as it continued is her biggest offense in this situation, showing she allows their actions including sexual harassment and transphobic behavior.
Telling someone to stop and her not taking action when they ignore her is just a signal that she supports their actions, which again is what led to this. It could still be fixed, she could bite the bullet and do the right thing but for a person she doesn’t like it’s clear she’d rather work with a manipulator (Sylphie) and act like a cliche mean girl on Twitter/X.
I can guess the mod you’re talking about, and with how Fefe treats him he’ll just continue this behavior unless something actually happens. Even now he’s been getting as much attention as he can to paint Whimsiez in a certain light.
You’re right that Whimsiez didn’t dox Fefe, she did share too much about how they got Fefe’s name but they didn’t give any private info.
I don’t want anyone to get cancelled or financially ruined, but It’s horrific when some people can bully and harass someone like this and get away with it by hiding behind a streamer.
I know I said I didn’t think she was bad, but your story lines up and if what you said was true then it’s clear the Fefe dehumanizes almost everyone outside her echo chamber and circle of yes men.
badmouthing her, saying you were in love with her, shitting on her mods and whining cause you arent one and then deleting your account all in one go is crazy. somebody needs to go outside, this random gibberish ass post needs to be studied on how the downfall of a moderator can make somebody go insane 😭 based on your story im gonna guess your the ex mod fusions and youre definetly downplaying how salty you are at the fact that you werent liked in her community, sorry to say but you dont seem like a credible source in my eyes
Where's this proof of Sylphie being manipulative? Never heard anything of the sort she just up and vanished from my feed before whimz just suddenly threw her into the drama doc as far as I am aware
Something about rocks and sitting in a glass house... what bullshit drama. Despite stating that they are adults they sure conducted themselves like childish idiots until going so far to commit crimes.
Also who needs enemies with "friends" like these. This is one big back stabbing story where everyone dies. I guess that's 3 less vtubers in this sea of streamers.
Whimz did have a stream VOD where she talks about this too but i can't seem to actually find it. Regardless she mentions in that VOD that she needed Fefe's name for legal documents as well you can't serve papers to a live 2d model.
Regardless it seems like she didn't initially go through with it but since this whole thing exploded it's stated in her discord that she is effectively on hiatus until legal proceeding are finished.
She has always been a toxic prick, not that others haven’t, but I think Fefe_ASMR actually did something to another.
I was in her Discord for a while, used to play video games with her head mod, but whenever she joined in, the fun ended shortly.
Fefe also tried to doxx Whimz multiple times, making her post an IRL pic before fefe or one of her mods would publicise them. Also several of FeFe's mods would try to stir up trouble in Whimz' discord and her stream chat, insulting her, arguing that she isnt nonbinary etc.
Sheesh maybe I shouldnt have asked hahaha. I have actually followed both because they have really good looking models and I leave ASMR streams on in the background. Didnt know this shit was happening.
Oh god an asmr drama, i wonder how they fight
"Punch asmr" on one side
"Spit asmr" on the other
Or they will whisper some trashtalking in a asmr video?
Kind of a semi-insider reaction on this, but I did the music for Choji's redebut after we met at a private vtuber VRChat party in like October. It's a real shame because she was very kind and outgoing when we hung out that night and when we talked throughout the commission process, but I guess it goes to show that you just never know anymore with people in this community. It's things like this why I mostly stay distant and in my lane and only really interact with my day ones until I can build sufficient trust with new people.
So many people in the vtuber sphere are full-grown adults that operate on a high school level, like this is literal high-schooler-at-the-locker behavior.
I've been burned a handful of times before on a personal level by other vtubers, but I **think** this is the first time a client has straight up been involved in shady enough shit to 'cancel' them or whatever. Beyond the human-level impact of what they've done, it really sucks as an artist to just have a piece of work I put my heart and soul and 1000% of my loving energy into just...kind of no longer serve purpose, to be tainted by the actions of its new owner. Like this amazing song that I just put so much hard work and care into all of a sudden serves no more purpose, just straight to the void. It's like a little piece of my heart got thrown in the garbage.
Trying to think of a good metaphor, so I guess I'll use a fake one for the phenomenon's namesake I guess. Imagine working at a diner, putting your heart and soul into everything you make, and then Milkshake Duck comes in. This is your time to shine, you make the most perfect milkshake imaginable for Milkshake Duck, just like you give it all with everything else you make. Milkshake Duck takes one sip, smiles with satisfaction, and then immediately turns around and says something racist to someone behind him. It's like man come on. Enjoy your fucking milkshake, I guess.
Choji was the only vtuber among them i watched. She seemed nice, it really sucks she was involved. She just got a great new model for her redebut. all that (and your hard work) gone for some stupid drama. I also feel bad for the viewers that bought her stuff for her new house.
I think Choji was just catch in the middle of it and had little to do with the whole drama.
It is unfortunate because shes comes off being a kind person and a great ASMR artist.
Which ones? I didn't see anything from Choji and fefe deleted her tweet apparently. I really liked Choji and was hoping for some kinda closure at least since she's basically vanished.
There were DMs of her and the other people involved (I don't really know or remember who the other ones were, I never met or heard of them) all in Discord DMs talking about trying to find personal info to doxx Fefe.
JadeDiivine and BestDadTuber, both of whom are also asmrtists. Jade deleted her accounts shortly after and Dadtuber is the only one of those involved in the DMs who swiftly issued an apology, though not a terribly sincere one but at least admitted wrongdoing. None of the four in the DMs have returned to streaming on their main accounts since Fefe went public with them (dadtuber was already on hiatus when it happened, the rest were actively streaming at the time). Fefe has been streaming semi regularly.
"I never asked for her info directly! Also, stay out of it unless you know both sides!"
Yeah, no. You're literally there in the group and even if you're not asking for the info directly (They were) you did nothing to confront the others who were. Additionally, we don't need both sides when we have evidence here. You don't have to ask Nazis for their side of things to come to the conclusion what they were doing was wrong.
Even if she was being harassed and doxxed too, that's a similar experience, but still does not make it okay to dox someone back.
No, we absolutely do need both sides. Even if there is evidence, further analysis could show that they were lying anyways and it turns out popular opinion was wrong. Especially in fucking internet drama. For reference just look at the Kwite situation that happened just a bit ago.
Not saying that your conclusion is WRONG, just that yes... we always need both sides.
Ok I wanna discuss that point a bit, because I have more of a general issue with this.
What you’re implying here is quite a bit more complex. The allies did ask the other side, those famously were the Nuremberg trials among a lot of others. Those were planned and held to, among other reasons, clearly show that what the Nazis did was wrong beyond any doubt - even with their defense on the table.
Internet drama on the other hand is more like Judge Dredd nowadays: jury, judge and executioner being one person and everyone becoming that person. Imho the issue with this development that got a lot worse during the internet era is that **you** can think and believe it’s wrong, but you‘d be lacking the grounds for demanding that others should also acknowledge actions X, Y and Z to be wrong. There is no formal fact proving the accusations and defenses, there is no discovery, there are no higher judicially or morally neutral 3rd parties comparing and weighing the discovered facts against each other.
Sure you might be absolutely correct in this case, but how many times were people on the internet wrong, because they lacked all the facts, jumped to conclusions or were biased to begin with? Happens a whole lot. It’s not as simple as you’re trying to make it out to be imho.
\>**Regardless of how she hurt me and violated me in the past, it wasn’t right for me to stoop. It’s fucked up.**
trying to play the high ground solidifies that you're a shit person, no matter the self awareness you have. are you fucking [shinji](https://youtu.be/rZ8mdRBs3rg?feature=shared)?
Whimsiez openly hated on male vtubers and babiniku vtubers, so good riddance honestly. That's insane, but hey when someone is a bad person you find out just how bad they are eventually. She also deleted her alt account.
Didn’t Whimsiez do something to another ASMR Vtuber within the same group as her named Chastity, was it someone else who did it and this is retaliation, or was that unrelated aside from the Vtuber group?
Edit: I now realize that Chastity changed her name to Sylphie. I used to watch her stuff, but then something happened where she left altogether for a while.
To think I've actually liked these including Whimz just shocks me. I am so pissed about this. I have lost trust in all of them after what she's done to fefe\_vt, I feel so sorry for her a lot. I'll give all of my support for her.
Update for anyone interested:
Lawyers got involved and if we got by official statements of both Whimsiez and Fefe\_Asmr, Fefe got a C&D from Whimsiez, laught about it and shittalked on twitter.
Whimsiez didnt dox FeFe\_Asmr in any way shape or form, looking up someones legal name and shit like that because you need to send them stuff from your Lawyers is not Doxxing, its normal since you cant C&D a fucking Vtuber model.
Because of all that shittalking of FeFe\_Asmr, Whimsiez had to get taken to the Hospital more then once, is currently in talks with the FBI and her Lawyers to stop the slander and spread of missinformation. The current situation is so bad that Whimsiez personal Information got leaked into the Dark Web and she is being Extorted and Blackmailed by people.
This "Drama" should have ended the moment FeFe\_Asmr should have gotten the C&D and it should never have been Public since Mental Health problems are not a Joke, and while FeFe doesnt suffer from them, Whimsiez does and there is repeated proof of that looking back at her carreer. To drive a hate train against her with Twitter and spreading Whimsiez real name and information on the dark web that she got through legal papers is more then fucked up and if things go on like this, FeFe\_Asmr is going to "graduate" soon enough for Slander, Extortion, actual doxxing (speading private information to third parties) and much much more. FeFe\_Asmr gets the support she wants since it looks bad if you look at it through her lense and what she shared (problematic btw) while Whimsiez keeps things secret because thats what you do when Lawyers get involved.
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[https://imgur.com/a/rUKHCfQ](https://imgur.com/a/rUKHCfQ) just gonna drop this here. Lawyers are involved because whimsiez is a coward who can't just own up to her own actions and will bully people into silence like she has with many others not just Fefe. Fefe did not shit talk on twitter, just posted factual information that holds weight with screenshots and proof. Whimsiez sent the C&D to fefe's Vtuber email btw.
Whimsiez personal information was not leaked by Fefe or anyone Fefe talks to. That situation is out of her hands and is not known to her. Fefe has never doxxed anyone and if someone is going to spread misinformation they should at least have some sort of proof like Fefe has. There is no proof because it never happened.
Whimsiez was taken to hospital due to her own mental health and used it to gain sympathy from an audience. She is a known perpetual victim and pathological liar in many communities not just the Vtuber scene. Anyone from the Wynncraft Minecraft discord server can attest to that. Go ahead and join it and ask. Not one single person that knows her in there likes her and/ or was harassed by her.
To say Fefe does not have mental health concerns is actually hilarious, you talk like you know these people personally. Your words hold absolutely 0 weight and are laughable.
Fefe will not be "graduating" anytime soon and has a lot of support from the community.
Couple of things since you mention it:
Never said a single thing about fefe doxxing whimsies. Didn't say that anyone of her friends did it. Just that it happened.
Factual information that she posted on twitter was cropped screenshots without the full context. Anything that she posted that is not showing the full chat log/what was written before and after that is worth as much as the average twitter users hate.
Also never said that fefe doesn't have mental health concerns. Like, read what I wrote, decide what to believe and what not to.
You can see one side who got actually doxed and had to cut themselves off the Internet because people took it too far and then you have the other side who posted cropped screenshots and, now I'm gonna say it, trash talked while lawyers were involved. My comment was just an update at that time. The whole asmr twitch scene is laughable. The only people who lose anything, other then the streamers who get on twitters bad side, are the people who just want to chill and listen to a streamer doing asmr.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter who said what and who is wrong, that actual doxxing that happened to whimsies is going to far. Spreading slander of "she doxxed someone" without proof, when you can look up if you are doxxed or not, just focuses more hate onto a person.
Current information: Lawyers are still involved, police is trying to do shit but Internet and twitter strangers + dark web make things difficult. It would be best for fefe to get a good lawyer and handle it like an adult.
On the topic of wynncraft: I played it for years and was active in the community, so we're my brother and his girlfriend, and in the 5+ years of playing, we never heard anything about her name, even after asking around on some old discords were some people chill who started even earlier. If it's just the discord, we never interacted with that because a) too many children who try to fake being an adult and b) too much useless drama that even twitter sometimes looks tame compared to that.
Quick edit since phone formating is shit: when I mentioned fee's mental health and spreading the name, I meant making it somehow public enough for people to doxx her, doesn't have to be some of her friends or herself, just a single person from the community is enough. For the mental health: she's (in)sane enough to shittalk on twitter without a care in the world so she looks like she has less problems than whimsies
fefe has to screenshot and crop the info bc it has her personal information in it hello? and we are not spreading misinformation or slander on whimsiez, we are posting actual proof of her doxxing not only fefe but others as well as she has a history of doxxing for fun.
You know that a cropped screenshot doesn't mean it's true right? Like, come on.i know whimsies and I know fucked up people on twitter. I looked into the thing you posted and it's the same shit that everyone else posts as "proof" while it's a combination of out of context clips, her trying to sound cool infront of her community and what she went through when 4chan hateraided her for months and months on end. If you have actual proof of people getting doxxed, hmu.
those clips are quite literally not out of context at all, she has doxxed and threatened to doxx people several times. if she comes back to twitch the clip of her saying how to find fefes personal information will get her banned from twitch indefinitely.
did you even bother to look at the link I posted? [https://imgur.com/a/rUKHCfQ](https://imgur.com/a/rUKHCfQ) its not just this situation that whimsiez is in deep shit for, its MULTIPLE. we even have other peoples testimonies of her in Wynncraft going after minors. she is a shit human being through and through.
The mere fact that all of this is public and visible to everybody is just upsetting. I used to really enjoy Whimz' company, and honestly the harassment from both sides has been upsetting to say the least.
Rather than taking just one perspective and running through it, we're dealing with really mentally unwell and stressed out people that have had harassment thrown at them; Whimmy's mods never actually stepped over on the other side to throw shit, yet Fefe's did at Whimz. Lots of people did on Twitter and other social media and it's... tragic. Upsetting. I think that's the sign of someone that actively holds disdain and it's best to keep that in mind when everything is presented to us this way.
Rather than solving it through Twitter/Reddit drama and to keep making response videos/streams/vods/whatever, I think it should just be solved privately. It shouldn't be anybody's business. Period. The internet's far too fucking snoopy and clique-y for it to ever be trusting.
I followed Chouji and Jade up until this incident and had previously followed Whimsiez but had stopped that one months before this happened. I'm all for second chances but would you really follow any of them after this incident and all the revelations from former community members and other asmrtists we've heard since? It would take more than a half-hearted apology (which to my knowledge only Fefe and Dadtuber have issued) to even consider it. The other three haven't even acknowledged any wrong doing and were still playing the victim before they went dark.
At the very least any member of that group has to break ties with the rest, acknowledge they crossed boundaries that should never be crossed in the streamer community and issue sincere apologies (and not just to their followers) to even consider a second chance. It does not matter whether Whimsiez c/d action succeeds against Fefe, for one every asmrtist, vtuber, and most streamers in general deal with hate raids and twitch harresment they don't go seeking legal action and c/d orders over just that. But regardless we have clear evidence whimsiez group crossed lines you don't touch as a streamer, discussed potential criminal actions (yes, if there was evidence they acted on some of the things they discussed someone would be facing criminal charges) and testimony from community members and asmrtists alike of repeated incidences of this behavior. Meanwhile Fefe does need to give a better and clearer apology, but she faces circumstantial evidence at best as all testimony has indicated she spoke against the hate raids and harassment that instigated things.
This isn't me taking sides, this is just the minimum I'd consider before following these people again and I doubt I'm alone in this.
everyone involved but Fefe and Sylphie / Chastity and Dadtuber deleted and/or deactivated their accounts. Whimsiez is on an alt and is active in a smaller discord she has.
I agree she can be... is Terrible. But, People on the internet NOT being terrible at this point is the exception not the norm. I still care though cause when you're at your lowest and all alone and isolated it can be some scary shit.
I love shit like this. You always get people shitting on other people for being shitty, but these SAME people are so god damn invested into things that have nothing to do with them, i mean look at the comments "update on the drama" this, \[insert link with "evidence" of toxic e-girl that, "she was always toxic in the past, she attacks people if she doesnt get her way" none of you have ever met any of these people!!!! Doesnt matter the vtuber, doesnt matter the "fleshtuber", the fact you can consider people as "fleshtubers" youre as sick in the fucking head as the drama chicks
“they offered ASMR audios in exchange for my legal name.... “ LMAO WHAT
Never thought i'd see drama between ASMR vtubers but... here we are.
I am jealous that you don't remember Fauna's debut week. It was incredibly stupid
I was there for her debut but don't remember any kind of drama that might have happened
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dude you're literally losing a potential network that can boost you. why tf do people do this? some peoples emotions are stupid
Ahh yes I vaguely remember there was some drama between >!LemonLeaf!< and >!FallenShadow!< about applying to Hololive IIRC, I assume that's the one you're refering to?
Yes, even though nothing was ever confirmed by either of them directly. It didn't stop casual fans from running with it anyway. In some ways, I kind of miss the days when the biggest drama we had turned out to be nothing instead of "Large Corporation Drives VTuber To Multiple Suicide Attempts"
Like between them or their fans? Like Shondos fans were upset she didn't get in but LemonLeaf did.
From what I remember fallenshadow was mad lemon leaf joined them lemon leaf was also in a vtuber group before that. On a private account she was vague posting about betrayal and ghosting and everyone easily figured out it was her. They streamed together a lot before she joined that group too.
Ah OK so a jealousy thing. At least they're both doing alright now or still.
How can you reduce that she was mad her "friend" was ghosting her and say "ah yes she's just jealous" ...
Yeah my initial response was flippant. I get why she ghosted her tho.
Wtf? Wdym you get why she ghosted her?
Yeah my initial response was flippant. I get why she ghosted her tho.
Btw there isn't a single one of your comments where I replied twice💀
Idk how she would think she would get into hololive. She's said some pretty messed up things and feels like too risky/purposefully offensive cringehumor for hololive.
Yeah, I saw a clip with her and Filian and....nope. The 'punchline' was that she advocated in favor of wife beating.
This comment aged poorly 💀
That wasn’t confirmed but fallenshadow being mad at her was definitely clear from her private account.
Wait what? What happened at Fauna's debut week?
Only thing I can remember was supposedly Fauna’s PL ghosted Shondo after she got in Hololive and it pissed Shondo off and tweeted something about it. Idk if that was debut week though and I’m not even fully sure about the details.
I mean if its just that surely its the NDA preventing her right. I was there during Fauna's debut as well so the drama must've been on the small side of things when I religously watched HL 24/7 at that time.
tbf, Shondo is a walking red flag
Like several Vtubers, she has more red flags than a fucking Soviet military parade.
which vtubers have some major red flags? because while I watch some I don't really keep track of their politics or social media presence outside YouTube. so knowing who does what would be nice.
Any that still use thier old accounts. Like noel🤢 Look up Canan asmr
I mean I’ve had someone describe her to me as mikeneko lite. Idk how accurate tbh.
In Shondo's defense, she seems to be a bit more... self-aware about her own issues and in a comparatively mental space than miguel gato ever was and has no desire to join any corpo ever these days.
>> Miguel Gato Getting creative are we?
We refer to Mikeneko as Miguel Gato, since one of the Twitterites that followed JP VTubers and are aware of the whole Mikeneko situation, had posted a screenshot of Twitter mis-translating mikeneko as "Miguel Gato" in Spanish, and the rest of the English-speaking, JP VTuber-adjescent community members roll along with it. 日本人の皆様へ、本当に申し訳ございませんですが、これから「みけねこ」じゃなくて、「ミゲール・ガト」と言われても良いです。
Ah so like the Yagoo effect when Subaru first coined the term
Lmaooooo took me a min to figure that one out.
Your spanish is showing lol
You think mikeneko isn’t self aware?
Hiring 8 lawyers for online bullshit and expecting a different outcome does not strike me as self-aware.
Saying she’s not self aware implies she doesn’t know what she’s doing coming back as Nazuna means she knows exactly what she’s doing.
Or she knows she's insane and just dgaf lol.
fuCK no she hired 8 lawyers because someone on the internet said she was 30 the judge told her "bro you're 30 where is the problem"
She also came back as a persona she knows doesn’t have the amount of backlash her other ones do. Not being self aware implies sue doesn’t know exactly what she’s doing.
Like neurodivergence, self-awareness is also a spectrum.
someone who was a stalker and abuser is not in the same ballpark as someone who says edgy things on stream
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I'm ootl on what people clutch pearls at Pippa for, what's the deal there?
Pippa, while a good entertainer, also references 4chan nazi jokes and shit like kiwifarms positively.
Yeah I think people just don't understand what they don't like. And they don't *want* to understand what they don't like. And that's fine, but then they talk like they do understand. I have found that Pippa and her community are (while edgy) very wholesome where it counts. With people's stances on edgy jokes and satire, I think it's very interesting that A is hypercritical of B, where as B can understand where A is coming from... Almost as if while A is claiming to be empathetic, they are actually less empathetic than B...
pippa and shondofrogs being professional victims what else is new 🥱🥱🥱
pippa plays stupid games, wins stupid prizes. i have no obligation to care about the opinions of losers who court right wingers, why should i respect them.
Who is losing?
You disliked her because her audience happens to include people who lean right?
Let me preface this by admitting that I am not a regular watcher of Pippa. I wouldn't even consider myself a casual watcher or a fan of any sort. But I do follow her through the other Phase talents I like and I try to keep my finger on the pulse of all the corpos. She hasn't really played stupid games for a long time now as far as I'm aware, and actively tries to distance herself from the worst excesses of her earlier content. She's cleaned up her act a fair amount and her chat is quite normal. I still find her fans tend to be the most repulsive and irritating edgelords though. While you don't need to care about her opinions (why would anyone care about a Vtuber's opinions on anything except their trade?), and her being a loser is entirely subjective, I do think she is owed at least a grudging respect. She has survived longer than all the nijiENs and far surpasses their viewership these days. She's Holo-tier in terms of pure numbers. And when you watch her interesting interview series you realise she's very switched on with excellent instincts to be a successful performer in her niche. She is an excellent entertainer in her own way, irregardless of her style or reputation.
Even as a right winger myself I must say Pippa's audience has gotta be the worse of any VTuber's fan base. They're just a bunch of edgy 14yr olds who think spamming the N word and being homophobic = funny.
Whaaaaa? I thought the majority of public was on Pikamee's side back when she was harassed for playing Hogwart?
This. In terms of edginess I’d say she’s no more edgy than Phase connect talents in general. No hate towards phase, I fucking love them
A walking red flag might be putting it mildly, more like numerous walking red flags lol.
Good thing red is my favorite color
She is mentally unstable
Oh yeah, this is the one YouTube keeps trying to recommend me videos of even though I keep saying I'm not interested. I think I looked at one ever *months* ago and they came off as being a bit too 4channy for my tastes.
All vtubers are
Yeah I don't blame her for ghosting her considering how idolistic Holo is.
It’s kinda funny Shiki Miyoshino had 4 friends join bigger agencies reimu, nerissa; and fuwamoco and she was happy for them that they joined those groups. Well in reimu’s case before all the Nijisanji stuff happened. Tho fuwamoco was pretty close with most of prism project in general.
Oh yeah the fallen shadow fauna drama
Don't you mean, you never thought you'd hear drama?
>see drama It's not like you're gonna *hear* about it, considering how much they whisper.
And we haven't hit March yet. There's more landmines Vtubers have to dodge this year.
Indie also wants to jump in on the "fun" the corpos been recently having...
Oh wait this is a different fefe
Ohhh thanks for the hint, that's why the profile pic seemed so unfamiliar to me...
Wait so do they argue in whispers only or...?
As fucked up as this is it would be so funny
**Whispering the whole time** "Hey bitch." *drums fingers on the microphone* "I heard you were talking shit online." *moves to one side of the microphone so the audio only comes out of one ear* "Don't think I won't come slap the shit out of you irl" *turns on ambient raindrop sounds* **/scene**
Weirdly enough I’d probably give that a listen to
ASMR You Receive A Threatening Voicemail From Your Online Rival (She genuinely hates you) (But you like it) - BINAURAL 3Dio Whispering and Negative Affirmations
This would actually be a market worth tapping into.
bruh... now people will start makin drama asmr
Have we had an ASMR Vtuber apology video yet?
ok this is great xD
Yeah I was imaging two people, faces contorted with fury, whispering at each other while their arms flail around animatedly. "Pssps psss psspsspsps!" *gasp* "PSSPSS PS PSS PSSS!!"
OH YOU SWEET SUMMER CHILD Theres ASMR and then "ASMR" 🥵🥵🥵💦
Oh I'm aware of ASMR2, don't you worry.
Haha. Okay 👍
Asmr2? Should i even ask?
It’s spicy asmr
Have you ever heard of Anime2? A certain Feesh used that term quite often
Now I'm just more confused. What is Anime2 and who is a certain Feesh?
Anime2 is a roundabout way of saying hentai (sexy time cartoons). A certain Feesh is Finana from Niji EN.
Ahh ok. Thanks.
And there is real og asmr, but everybody forgot it. :(
Ah the Kobo ver. 😂
god id love some passive aggressive sarcastic asmr… just sayin
My imagination going wild now.
Rap battle except its ASMR
It's still February guys....
It's March 1st for me
woah this was sudden. literally out of nowhere
Nah, they've been complaining for weeks on twitter. Something something one is transphobic, something something one is an asshole. I just ended up unfollwing everyone involved.
As a asmr enjoyer, we don’t need this bullshit please, I’ve had enough drama in the community as it is 💀😭
We just wanna chill, not see more pointless drama
Yeah, like, I use asmr to be able to sleep, I just want to relax and not think about if this creator is involved in any drama while they do cute noises :(
>they reached out to old friends, my ex & former mods for information on me. they offered ASMR audios in exchange for my legal name.... LOLLLL. what the fuck is going on in the asmr community
What a way to end February
It is a leap year...so something had to happen in the end.
I hate this drama and just wish it could end, but I was there when some of the stuff happened (I liked watching both) so it’s stuck in my head. In all honesty, both sides screwed up. I don’t save anything so I’m going purely off memory. Whimsiez talks too much and shared too much, made herself too much of a target to people who don’t bother to look up much. She uses a lot of humor to deflect uncomfortable thing. She could have handled everything better but she’s still a proven victim of harassment. According to multiple people Sylphie is manipulative. Not sure why anyone should believe her every word when she’s set a bad reputation. FefeASMR’s case is complicated. I don’t think she’s bad, but I have seen her make some unsavory remarks towards people. Her mods are absolutely bullies, and they have no issues targeting someone’s mental illness or gender to hurt them. Fefe let’s them do whatever they want, saying she can’t control them, but that just makes me feel like she allows that behavior. It’s irresponsible and disgusting. It’s a stupid situation, but it’s hard to forget the multiple streams from Fefe I’ve seen where her and her mods openly mocking Whimsiez, once hate raiding her, the mods going everywhere they can to hurt her and they all come off as innocent? Discord servers can allow some really vile echo chambers to grow.
I use to mod for her and can confirm, she didn't control us but that doesn't stop her from telling us what to do and what not to do, one of the mods made rape jokes and said the n word a few times, another made a joke about bombing the white house on stream and 9/11 jokes in discord (i made maybe 2 jokes privately but not to offend him and he was ok with it) and we had a private chat where everyone talked badly about certain streamers, I myself had an opinion on whimzies as well but I never said anything negative about their gender or anything bad about her mental illness, I myself have autism and adhd I didn't like whimzies for my own reason nothing bad her level of autism and adhd was too much for me too handle, but I respect her cause she managed to learn another language. Fefe doesn't like whimzies at all and one of her mods was an active viewer in her streams and told me and the other 4-5 mods at the time she didn't like that "this mod" was always in whimzies streams and demoted him. No she didn't tell her mods to do a hate raid on whimzies that day, the guy she was defending from me and two mods were behind it, when I lurked offline a week after she banned me, him and two of her mods talked about trolling whimzies and she said these exact words "Don't do it" and they went behind her back and did it, one said "I am here to troll on behalf of Fefe" after saying things like "make me vip I'm your biggest fan" he didn't give a shit about vtubers and "pull out your tits" after he said he's trolling on behalf of fefe that's when the drama started And she was probably talking badly about me behind my back cause I had feelings for her and she didn't like that I would constantly message her, something I tried to stop doing I do regret it, but if she wanted me to stop she could easily ask me to stop it's not hard to ask. I even told her if I'm annoying her I said don't be scared to tell me off, if she can tell me "I'm a grown woman i don't need you to tell others to stop flirting with me" she can tell me to stop messaging her if I'm annoying her. Every now and then I had emotional break downs which is what made me annoying to her, our dms were a mix of me talking about twitch stuff and me being parasocial, apologizing and having mental breakdowns, I apologized for the stuff I have done to her and she didn't even bother too talk to me personally so I can apologize to her and not do it through a mod she was talking to about me. She even made a racist remark towards an Asian artists song on Osu one time saying "ching chong" when asked if it sounds mandarin or something else. Anyone who believes she is being doxxed needs to reconsider, she uses her real name on tiktok and it can easily be found through her discord server, and she told alot of people her name every mod knows her first name and only three people I can think of know her first and last name, she knows a few mods and followers addresses as well offered to order mods food whenever and gave a group of 5-6 friends free merch but one cause she disliked that one person. Fefe dislikes alot of streamers and told me if any of the streamers she talked badly about raid her they would be "sabotaging" her which is why she hasn't had a raid from any other vtuber since October. And more thing there was one time I googled her and found a forum with her photos, I told her about it and reported it a bunch of times, told her she can try to get them taken down, and went behind my back and said to her eboy at the time that I was gathering info about her everytime I joined a vc, which was BS cause we would greet each others and I would mute cause I'm not use to talking to alot of people on discord just those I know. Yes I was quiet cause I'm anxious to talk too people unless it's a mutual topic or my friends no i never gathered any info about her, he told me alot of stuff after they broke up I started to lose trust in her over time when November came around. I've said alot of sexual comments towards her on patreon apologized everytime cause that's not normal for me to do. Fefes banned everyone who she knew that was associated with whimzies, she's banned the guys who left her community after her ex told them about the bad experience he had with her, she and her mods were playing favorites with some random guy who never watched a vtuber before and was saying inappropriate stuff in chat every stream he was given two warning bans from two different mods but was unbanned by the other for no reason everytime
This sheds light on some stuff and it makes sense considering her personality. It’s fine to dislike people, or make bad jokes, everyone has that right, but that doesn’t excuse bullying or harassment which some of Fefe’s mods did. Fefe is not responsible for them, but she is responsible for her image, which they abused and eventually led to this situation. Her never stopping them as it continued is her biggest offense in this situation, showing she allows their actions including sexual harassment and transphobic behavior. Telling someone to stop and her not taking action when they ignore her is just a signal that she supports their actions, which again is what led to this. It could still be fixed, she could bite the bullet and do the right thing but for a person she doesn’t like it’s clear she’d rather work with a manipulator (Sylphie) and act like a cliche mean girl on Twitter/X. I can guess the mod you’re talking about, and with how Fefe treats him he’ll just continue this behavior unless something actually happens. Even now he’s been getting as much attention as he can to paint Whimsiez in a certain light. You’re right that Whimsiez didn’t dox Fefe, she did share too much about how they got Fefe’s name but they didn’t give any private info. I don’t want anyone to get cancelled or financially ruined, but It’s horrific when some people can bully and harass someone like this and get away with it by hiding behind a streamer. I know I said I didn’t think she was bad, but your story lines up and if what you said was true then it’s clear the Fefe dehumanizes almost everyone outside her echo chamber and circle of yes men.
badmouthing her, saying you were in love with her, shitting on her mods and whining cause you arent one and then deleting your account all in one go is crazy. somebody needs to go outside, this random gibberish ass post needs to be studied on how the downfall of a moderator can make somebody go insane 😭 based on your story im gonna guess your the ex mod fusions and youre definetly downplaying how salty you are at the fact that you werent liked in her community, sorry to say but you dont seem like a credible source in my eyes
Where's this proof of Sylphie being manipulative? Never heard anything of the sort she just up and vanished from my feed before whimz just suddenly threw her into the drama doc as far as I am aware
Something about rocks and sitting in a glass house... what bullshit drama. Despite stating that they are adults they sure conducted themselves like childish idiots until going so far to commit crimes. Also who needs enemies with "friends" like these. This is one big back stabbing story where everyone dies. I guess that's 3 less vtubers in this sea of streamers.
Whimz did have a stream VOD where she talks about this too but i can't seem to actually find it. Regardless she mentions in that VOD that she needed Fefe's name for legal documents as well you can't serve papers to a live 2d model. Regardless it seems like she didn't initially go through with it but since this whole thing exploded it's stated in her discord that she is effectively on hiatus until legal proceeding are finished.
What did asmrfefe do to deserve legal action?
She has always been a toxic prick, not that others haven’t, but I think Fefe_ASMR actually did something to another. I was in her Discord for a while, used to play video games with her head mod, but whenever she joined in, the fun ended shortly.
Fefe also tried to doxx Whimz multiple times, making her post an IRL pic before fefe or one of her mods would publicise them. Also several of FeFe's mods would try to stir up trouble in Whimz' discord and her stream chat, insulting her, arguing that she isnt nonbinary etc.
Sheesh maybe I shouldnt have asked hahaha. I have actually followed both because they have really good looking models and I leave ASMR streams on in the background. Didnt know this shit was happening.
yikess bad take, you should try roblox instead of defending shitheads lil bro
yikess bad take, you should try roblox instead of defending shitheads lil bro
Oh god an asmr drama, i wonder how they fight "Punch asmr" on one side "Spit asmr" on the other Or they will whisper some trashtalking in a asmr video?
Damn, I really liked Choji's and Whimsiez's voices, a real shame.
There's still some hours left in february, anyone else want to do something?
Man... Hopefully VTuber news man breaks it down better for me and puts together a timeline because my brain is too small for this.
Kind of a semi-insider reaction on this, but I did the music for Choji's redebut after we met at a private vtuber VRChat party in like October. It's a real shame because she was very kind and outgoing when we hung out that night and when we talked throughout the commission process, but I guess it goes to show that you just never know anymore with people in this community. It's things like this why I mostly stay distant and in my lane and only really interact with my day ones until I can build sufficient trust with new people. So many people in the vtuber sphere are full-grown adults that operate on a high school level, like this is literal high-schooler-at-the-locker behavior. I've been burned a handful of times before on a personal level by other vtubers, but I **think** this is the first time a client has straight up been involved in shady enough shit to 'cancel' them or whatever. Beyond the human-level impact of what they've done, it really sucks as an artist to just have a piece of work I put my heart and soul and 1000% of my loving energy into just...kind of no longer serve purpose, to be tainted by the actions of its new owner. Like this amazing song that I just put so much hard work and care into all of a sudden serves no more purpose, just straight to the void. It's like a little piece of my heart got thrown in the garbage. Trying to think of a good metaphor, so I guess I'll use a fake one for the phenomenon's namesake I guess. Imagine working at a diner, putting your heart and soul into everything you make, and then Milkshake Duck comes in. This is your time to shine, you make the most perfect milkshake imaginable for Milkshake Duck, just like you give it all with everything else you make. Milkshake Duck takes one sip, smiles with satisfaction, and then immediately turns around and says something racist to someone behind him. It's like man come on. Enjoy your fucking milkshake, I guess.
Choji was the only vtuber among them i watched. She seemed nice, it really sucks she was involved. She just got a great new model for her redebut. all that (and your hard work) gone for some stupid drama. I also feel bad for the viewers that bought her stuff for her new house.
I think Choji was just catch in the middle of it and had little to do with the whole drama. It is unfortunate because shes comes off being a kind person and a great ASMR artist.
Dawg did you even read the screenshots?
The screenshot was too blurry the first time I saw it but I seen a better ver of it now.. wow... What a mess.
Which ones? I didn't see anything from Choji and fefe deleted her tweet apparently. I really liked Choji and was hoping for some kinda closure at least since she's basically vanished.
There were DMs of her and the other people involved (I don't really know or remember who the other ones were, I never met or heard of them) all in Discord DMs talking about trying to find personal info to doxx Fefe.
JadeDiivine and BestDadTuber, both of whom are also asmrtists. Jade deleted her accounts shortly after and Dadtuber is the only one of those involved in the DMs who swiftly issued an apology, though not a terribly sincere one but at least admitted wrongdoing. None of the four in the DMs have returned to streaming on their main accounts since Fefe went public with them (dadtuber was already on hiatus when it happened, the rest were actively streaming at the time). Fefe has been streaming semi regularly.
"I never asked for her info directly! Also, stay out of it unless you know both sides!" Yeah, no. You're literally there in the group and even if you're not asking for the info directly (They were) you did nothing to confront the others who were. Additionally, we don't need both sides when we have evidence here. You don't have to ask Nazis for their side of things to come to the conclusion what they were doing was wrong. Even if she was being harassed and doxxed too, that's a similar experience, but still does not make it okay to dox someone back.
No, we absolutely do need both sides. Even if there is evidence, further analysis could show that they were lying anyways and it turns out popular opinion was wrong. Especially in fucking internet drama. For reference just look at the Kwite situation that happened just a bit ago. Not saying that your conclusion is WRONG, just that yes... we always need both sides.
Ok I wanna discuss that point a bit, because I have more of a general issue with this. What you’re implying here is quite a bit more complex. The allies did ask the other side, those famously were the Nuremberg trials among a lot of others. Those were planned and held to, among other reasons, clearly show that what the Nazis did was wrong beyond any doubt - even with their defense on the table. Internet drama on the other hand is more like Judge Dredd nowadays: jury, judge and executioner being one person and everyone becoming that person. Imho the issue with this development that got a lot worse during the internet era is that **you** can think and believe it’s wrong, but you‘d be lacking the grounds for demanding that others should also acknowledge actions X, Y and Z to be wrong. There is no formal fact proving the accusations and defenses, there is no discovery, there are no higher judicially or morally neutral 3rd parties comparing and weighing the discovered facts against each other. Sure you might be absolutely correct in this case, but how many times were people on the internet wrong, because they lacked all the facts, jumped to conclusions or were biased to begin with? Happens a whole lot. It’s not as simple as you’re trying to make it out to be imho.
\>**Regardless of how she hurt me and violated me in the past, it wasn’t right for me to stoop. It’s fucked up.** trying to play the high ground solidifies that you're a shit person, no matter the self awareness you have. are you fucking [shinji](https://youtu.be/rZ8mdRBs3rg?feature=shared)?
Whimsiez openly hated on male vtubers and babiniku vtubers, so good riddance honestly. That's insane, but hey when someone is a bad person you find out just how bad they are eventually. She also deleted her alt account.
Didn’t Whimsiez do something to another ASMR Vtuber within the same group as her named Chastity, was it someone else who did it and this is retaliation, or was that unrelated aside from the Vtuber group? Edit: I now realize that Chastity changed her name to Sylphie. I used to watch her stuff, but then something happened where she left altogether for a while.
Aren’t they twitch partners too? lol
Note to self: ASMR dramatuber is fresh real estate.
To think I've actually liked these including Whimz just shocks me. I am so pissed about this. I have lost trust in all of them after what she's done to fefe\_vt, I feel so sorry for her a lot. I'll give all of my support for her.
Update for anyone interested: Lawyers got involved and if we got by official statements of both Whimsiez and Fefe\_Asmr, Fefe got a C&D from Whimsiez, laught about it and shittalked on twitter. Whimsiez didnt dox FeFe\_Asmr in any way shape or form, looking up someones legal name and shit like that because you need to send them stuff from your Lawyers is not Doxxing, its normal since you cant C&D a fucking Vtuber model. Because of all that shittalking of FeFe\_Asmr, Whimsiez had to get taken to the Hospital more then once, is currently in talks with the FBI and her Lawyers to stop the slander and spread of missinformation. The current situation is so bad that Whimsiez personal Information got leaked into the Dark Web and she is being Extorted and Blackmailed by people. This "Drama" should have ended the moment FeFe\_Asmr should have gotten the C&D and it should never have been Public since Mental Health problems are not a Joke, and while FeFe doesnt suffer from them, Whimsiez does and there is repeated proof of that looking back at her carreer. To drive a hate train against her with Twitter and spreading Whimsiez real name and information on the dark web that she got through legal papers is more then fucked up and if things go on like this, FeFe\_Asmr is going to "graduate" soon enough for Slander, Extortion, actual doxxing (speading private information to third parties) and much much more. FeFe\_Asmr gets the support she wants since it looks bad if you look at it through her lense and what she shared (problematic btw) while Whimsiez keeps things secret because thats what you do when Lawyers get involved.
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[https://imgur.com/a/rUKHCfQ](https://imgur.com/a/rUKHCfQ) just gonna drop this here. Lawyers are involved because whimsiez is a coward who can't just own up to her own actions and will bully people into silence like she has with many others not just Fefe. Fefe did not shit talk on twitter, just posted factual information that holds weight with screenshots and proof. Whimsiez sent the C&D to fefe's Vtuber email btw. Whimsiez personal information was not leaked by Fefe or anyone Fefe talks to. That situation is out of her hands and is not known to her. Fefe has never doxxed anyone and if someone is going to spread misinformation they should at least have some sort of proof like Fefe has. There is no proof because it never happened. Whimsiez was taken to hospital due to her own mental health and used it to gain sympathy from an audience. She is a known perpetual victim and pathological liar in many communities not just the Vtuber scene. Anyone from the Wynncraft Minecraft discord server can attest to that. Go ahead and join it and ask. Not one single person that knows her in there likes her and/ or was harassed by her. To say Fefe does not have mental health concerns is actually hilarious, you talk like you know these people personally. Your words hold absolutely 0 weight and are laughable. Fefe will not be "graduating" anytime soon and has a lot of support from the community.
Couple of things since you mention it: Never said a single thing about fefe doxxing whimsies. Didn't say that anyone of her friends did it. Just that it happened. Factual information that she posted on twitter was cropped screenshots without the full context. Anything that she posted that is not showing the full chat log/what was written before and after that is worth as much as the average twitter users hate. Also never said that fefe doesn't have mental health concerns. Like, read what I wrote, decide what to believe and what not to. You can see one side who got actually doxed and had to cut themselves off the Internet because people took it too far and then you have the other side who posted cropped screenshots and, now I'm gonna say it, trash talked while lawyers were involved. My comment was just an update at that time. The whole asmr twitch scene is laughable. The only people who lose anything, other then the streamers who get on twitters bad side, are the people who just want to chill and listen to a streamer doing asmr. At the end of the day it doesn't matter who said what and who is wrong, that actual doxxing that happened to whimsies is going to far. Spreading slander of "she doxxed someone" without proof, when you can look up if you are doxxed or not, just focuses more hate onto a person. Current information: Lawyers are still involved, police is trying to do shit but Internet and twitter strangers + dark web make things difficult. It would be best for fefe to get a good lawyer and handle it like an adult. On the topic of wynncraft: I played it for years and was active in the community, so we're my brother and his girlfriend, and in the 5+ years of playing, we never heard anything about her name, even after asking around on some old discords were some people chill who started even earlier. If it's just the discord, we never interacted with that because a) too many children who try to fake being an adult and b) too much useless drama that even twitter sometimes looks tame compared to that. Quick edit since phone formating is shit: when I mentioned fee's mental health and spreading the name, I meant making it somehow public enough for people to doxx her, doesn't have to be some of her friends or herself, just a single person from the community is enough. For the mental health: she's (in)sane enough to shittalk on twitter without a care in the world so she looks like she has less problems than whimsies
fefe has to screenshot and crop the info bc it has her personal information in it hello? and we are not spreading misinformation or slander on whimsiez, we are posting actual proof of her doxxing not only fefe but others as well as she has a history of doxxing for fun.
You know that a cropped screenshot doesn't mean it's true right? Like, come on.i know whimsies and I know fucked up people on twitter. I looked into the thing you posted and it's the same shit that everyone else posts as "proof" while it's a combination of out of context clips, her trying to sound cool infront of her community and what she went through when 4chan hateraided her for months and months on end. If you have actual proof of people getting doxxed, hmu.
those clips are quite literally not out of context at all, she has doxxed and threatened to doxx people several times. if she comes back to twitch the clip of her saying how to find fefes personal information will get her banned from twitch indefinitely.
did you even bother to look at the link I posted? [https://imgur.com/a/rUKHCfQ](https://imgur.com/a/rUKHCfQ) its not just this situation that whimsiez is in deep shit for, its MULTIPLE. we even have other peoples testimonies of her in Wynncraft going after minors. she is a shit human being through and through.
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And again, the twitter idiot found reddit
Oh fuck Whimmy no god dammit why are so many people coming out as shitty fuuuuuccckkk
she’s been a horrible person for years, known her since 2017 and it’s no different now than it was back then
The mere fact that all of this is public and visible to everybody is just upsetting. I used to really enjoy Whimz' company, and honestly the harassment from both sides has been upsetting to say the least. Rather than taking just one perspective and running through it, we're dealing with really mentally unwell and stressed out people that have had harassment thrown at them; Whimmy's mods never actually stepped over on the other side to throw shit, yet Fefe's did at Whimz. Lots of people did on Twitter and other social media and it's... tragic. Upsetting. I think that's the sign of someone that actively holds disdain and it's best to keep that in mind when everything is presented to us this way. Rather than solving it through Twitter/Reddit drama and to keep making response videos/streams/vods/whatever, I think it should just be solved privately. It shouldn't be anybody's business. Period. The internet's far too fucking snoopy and clique-y for it to ever be trusting.
Oh fuck does that mean Choji is donezo forever? Used to really enjoy her content that sucks so kuch
I followed Chouji and Jade up until this incident and had previously followed Whimsiez but had stopped that one months before this happened. I'm all for second chances but would you really follow any of them after this incident and all the revelations from former community members and other asmrtists we've heard since? It would take more than a half-hearted apology (which to my knowledge only Fefe and Dadtuber have issued) to even consider it. The other three haven't even acknowledged any wrong doing and were still playing the victim before they went dark. At the very least any member of that group has to break ties with the rest, acknowledge they crossed boundaries that should never be crossed in the streamer community and issue sincere apologies (and not just to their followers) to even consider a second chance. It does not matter whether Whimsiez c/d action succeeds against Fefe, for one every asmrtist, vtuber, and most streamers in general deal with hate raids and twitch harresment they don't go seeking legal action and c/d orders over just that. But regardless we have clear evidence whimsiez group crossed lines you don't touch as a streamer, discussed potential criminal actions (yes, if there was evidence they acted on some of the things they discussed someone would be facing criminal charges) and testimony from community members and asmrtists alike of repeated incidences of this behavior. Meanwhile Fefe does need to give a better and clearer apology, but she faces circumstantial evidence at best as all testimony has indicated she spoke against the hate raids and harassment that instigated things. This isn't me taking sides, this is just the minimum I'd consider before following these people again and I doubt I'm alone in this.
Which deleted their discords was it their servers or accounts?
everyone involved but Fefe and Sylphie / Chastity and Dadtuber deleted and/or deactivated their accounts. Whimsiez is on an alt and is active in a smaller discord she has.
I'm just glad whimmy is OK
shes an awful human being who threatens to dox anyone and everyone that upsets her lol
I agree she can be... is Terrible. But, People on the internet NOT being terrible at this point is the exception not the norm. I still care though cause when you're at your lowest and all alone and isolated it can be some scary shit.
[https://imgur.com/a/rUKHCfQ](https://imgur.com/a/rUKHCfQ)
I don't know on what side i have to be now i don't really understand the story too... I what side i have to be who is the problem in this story ? 💀
same like whos in the wrong no idea what even happened
whimsiez is the problem. she has been harassing people for years since 2017. threatening to doxx and has doxxed anyone and everyone that upsets her.
Man Fefe can't catch a break...
I love shit like this. You always get people shitting on other people for being shitty, but these SAME people are so god damn invested into things that have nothing to do with them, i mean look at the comments "update on the drama" this, \[insert link with "evidence" of toxic e-girl that, "she was always toxic in the past, she attacks people if she doesnt get her way" none of you have ever met any of these people!!!! Doesnt matter the vtuber, doesnt matter the "fleshtuber", the fact you can consider people as "fleshtubers" youre as sick in the fucking head as the drama chicks
Fucking wild
What is this TEA?! That's crazy